 This is Jindal, very happy to have your entrepreneur, you know you've built a GSPL from a small enterprise to a gigantic one. I want to know from you, what do you feel is the power of persistence A and about scaling up, how do you scale enterprises for them to become conglomerates. So it is all teamwork, you know one can alone do nothing. It is all hard work of the entire team, you know when the team works together with a sense of purpose, sincerity with a sense of ownership, you can achieve anything and there was a very encouraging atmosphere in India at the time when we were growing. So we got the support from all the stakeholders and we were able to achieve all this. I want to know your three tips for scaling up, what would you tell an enterprise today. You know I'm a startup, I'm looking to have met so many startups who want to enter into industries that India needs, you know for example you're looking to set up I said solar power or you're looking to set up into mainstream industries. Okay so I would like to tell budding entrepreneurs whatever they're trying to do, they should try to do it with minimum borrowing and they should always remember what Shakespeare had said, neither a borrower nor a lender be for loan off loses both itself and friend and borrowing does the edge of husbandry. So you know you should never really you know build your empire on loans, on borrowings. So try to raise equity, grow slowly and surely rather than borrowing a lot and getting into a trap. So we have seen in the last decade in India so many large companies you know I mean getting into trouble because of debt because sometimes policies change, the environment suddenly change and then suddenly you know you're sitting on too much of debt because the capital is too high. So in the hurry to grow faster is no point borrowing, once you borrow very very conservatively and I can't stress this enough because when you do not face problem everything looks good and you feel that oh we just need money and then you know we'll be able to repay in no time. When things start to go bad then they go bad from you know all angles. So it's very important to be very conservative while borrowing. With respect to the industries that you think are slated for growth in the next five years you know what do you think will be upcoming industry and how do you feel that the Indian government, what kind of ecosystem can the Indian government really provide a receptive government? Okay so see in India, India is the country of entrepreneurs. In fact the problem here is that we have too many entrepreneurial people in India. Because there are too many entrepreneurial people in India they do not get the kind of attention from the society, from the government, from the banks because here everyone wants to be a Tata Birla you know so I feel that because we have such enterprising youth in our country such smart people in our country we have a very very conducive environment to support them and if we support them India can be an absolute leader in technology. Any venture that is of your interest area? Okay so we have already invested huge amounts we already invested around 39,000 crores in various sectors of the industry mostly core sector industries that is steel and power so right now we have enough challenges to get to be debt free in the next few years. We want to be debt free and consolidate really sweat these assets so that is our focus and in the future whatever expansion we're going to do it's not going to be on debt it's only going to be from internal approvals and equity.