 It's a beautiful morning. Thanks for joining us once again on the breakfast. We'll be going through the pages of the National Dailies We have Chris Kane Day, who is the ED African Governance and Leadership Initiative. It's good to have you join us this morning All right, congratulations once again. We start off with the Daily Independent Newspaper Operatives accuse NSCDC of undermining election monitoring and that's the board caption on the Daily Independent Newspaper. Underneath here are several riders, as if we can run through it quickly. Say they're paid for logins, others from their savings. NSCDC berates personnel for making complaints public. That's two riders you find underneath. PDP leaders move to save IOCI IU ahead of the 2023 elections. No exams on Salah Day. Neko is quoted. And quickly, please rescue Italian Catholic priests, Q3 kidnappers in a door. Income tax returns. FIRS extends due date for companies. Six dead, 24 wounded in U.S. Independence Day parade shooting. Wow. Federal Government replies U.S. Senators denied claim that it violates religious freedom. And please begin the probe as INEC worries of attack on Ingo Office. And that's it on the Daily Independent Newspaper this morning. Let's move straight from the Daily Independent to the Punch Newspaper with these headlines. The big one there, 20 directors just sold to replace FIRED AGF. We'll look at that in depth as we proceed on the program this morning with the following riders to that headline. And Nambe Kway redeployed to FCSC as Director, Secular Six Idrisis Replacement. Sacked AGF to face Disciplinary Committee after EFCC probe says Anand as A-N-A-N. Worry times for the Buhar administration. INEC laments as arsonists burn Ingo Office. And this picture, that's what the front page of the punch goes with this morning as it's a front page picture, the ruin. So that INEC office right there in Ingo State, INEC laments as arsonists burn Ingo Office. Lagos Court remands women for brutalizing 11-year-old over 1,000 Naira. Kids rescued from Mundo Church demand passers-release. Islamic cleric bags life imprisonment for dealing or defiling 8-year-old. Turcos get 30 days to resolve customers' complaints. 20 wrecks retire in August as Tenna ends. Tenna will expire between now and August, as according to a Naira commissioner, over massacre Akeridolu backs Matawale on self-defense. That should be the second governor saying that 1,039 clerics worship has killed 394 kidnapped in 18 months. It's a report cited by The Punch. Solid mineral imports rise by 74% in 12 months. And final three stories from the paper. Bandits kidnapped Kaduna Priest, a dope police-free Italian cleric at Traffic Light. How policemen lasma officers extort motorists in Lagos community. Some will say that normal thing. It's been going on for quite some time. FG issues guidelines to retain all sector spending in Nigeria. Headlines coming in from The Punch. All right, away from The Punch we have the leadership newspaper and I made rising in security. Stakeholders want security architecture decentralized. And that's the board caption on leadership underneath. Calls for removal of security from exclusive lists. Move will lead to curse, says former defense chief indeed. States cannot cater for personnel. I mean, this is the argument that you have every other time. I will be quoted on that. States, local governments must ensure security of citizens. CSOs quoted and bandits killed four farmers, abducted Catholic priests in Sokoto and Kaduna. Knights condemn attacks on church priests. The writers you find underneath the board caption on the leadership, you also have religious intolerance. Federal government captains U.S. senators over called to release Nigeria. Nigeria spends $11.8 trillion, $8.2 billion on debt servicing in seven years. I mean, due to the calculation. Ballot boxes destroyed as gunmen raise Inugu Ainak office and Ukraine war federal government to absorb return is shouldn't end to short universities. That's the much we can take this morning on the leadership. And we end things with a look at stories coming on the front page of the nation. The big one there, we case camp gives IU must go condition to back at TIKU. We case camp gives IU must go condition to back at TIKU. Steelmates as PDP candidate insists party chair will lead campaign party bigwigs to lobby Revis governor for support. While Tilbu will succeed, Buhari by Ushimuli and another one there APC index rec Egini. Egini is the resident electoral commissioner in acquirable state. The same state where got to the public was not allowed to to find his way on to the the nomination list or the candidate list of his party. Let's go on. Itman federal government agency face off to worsen petrol security. Itman federal government agency face off to worsen petrol scarcity. We have more from that paper. Zenit bank is Nigeria's best at world finance award. Congratulations to them. Inside Ondo believers church members fasting ahead of return of Jesus in September. My wife gave birth there four months ago and stayed back. Kids refused to leave police station until pastor is released. My 400 level student son left school moved there. Governor to probe how people were indoctrinated and some parents didn't know their children were there. I remember some months ago maybe three months or two months some parents abroad you know was complaining about the child who who refused or some child abroad what I was complaining about a parent who adjoined some strange group you know church you know sect and it was saying that the son should come back from America for the pastor or the command police to arrest him and all that. We have these things sprinkling around the country. We'll leave it at that for now and move over to our guest analyst who is joining us of course he's known as the Executive Director African Governors and Leadership Initiative. Chris Keeney Wando thank you very much for your time but I'm sure we know you're still a chattered mediator and conciliator. That one is in the blood. Yes yes you're welcome. Thank you very much. Yes indeed. Yes indeed. Let's start off with this very troubling one. The Believer's Church in Hondo. I'm sure you have seen and read about this story seen the pictures and the videos of children being rescued from some sort of underground containment or something like that. It sounds really bizarre. It looks like a a script from a movie a very very horrible movie talking about Jim Jones and the Guyana tragedy. Exactly. You took the book up in Mautz Coffey. I said we're here. We are the same place and we are thinking together along the same line. It's quite dangerous. One of the greatest problems we have in this country is offering. We are so dogmatic about it and easily get themselves rewashed to believe in and so many so called people have taken advantage of the poverty in the land as well as literacy level of Nigerians to be able to governize them to want them to do things that ordinary people do want to do. I know it's human nature and the way human beings take. If somebody that can give me some level of high argument I would think you have, then that's definitely for us and that is what they this so-called fledgling men have been. It's not just only in Sonapsi. I've been in the past Coffey you've seen. We have fledgling men with forced women forced them to certain places and I'm going ahead to sleep with them and just under the pretext of trying to clean them of evil things and they get some of their pregnant and the rest of them. So it's my opportunity and I think this should be well indicated and if a so-called pastor, I don't like the word pastor, but people like it because that dimension, the right of the genuine pastors that if we find one and then it should be prosecuted and dealt with and I can imagine the children, according to reports, some of the children have said that they will not live until the money. That is because it's so brainwashed we believe that it may be their savior last home and whatever. Then on that situation find yourself, if tomorrow that man wakes up and wants them to die, all you just do is just miss some kind of poison and give them and all of them will drink and die. You know that you're talking about the film India Jones. It's a real life situation. It's not just what we're talking about in the film but it's a true life situation. It happened in the United States and so many members have said we are killed or died. It's not just a movie. It's not a movie thing. It's a real life situation. All right Chris, let's also look at the leadership newspaper. It talks about stakeholders asking that the security architecture in the country is decentralized and you have several reactions. One of it is that you know former defense chief is saying it will actually cause a lot of confusion. Others are saying that hey you know states do not have what it takes to take care of the personnel. I'm talking about salaries and what have you. Shouldn't we be thinking in this direction? Is it not time and do you think that decentralizing the security architecture would bring stability to our country? Yes to a large extent I think so. Ndolfing has been described that we should have state police and that the way the security architecture is centralized is now is we're making it difficult for not control. I think we spoke about this last week too messing with it and the fact remains that even as the chief security, yes I remember you asking me about the directive by the governor of which is that Zafara state that asks these people to take up the on the point. The fact is that it is even across the globe security is centralized so that it helps so that the security will be very very close to the people. If you go to the United States you have various levels of policing and you look at governments or you call the counties to the state and to the federal each of them have their own policing system and that's in itself helped a lot to be able to checkmate the high level of the security that we're having now. Last night I was one of the few senior media executives and I had a one-on-one in two hours one-on-one with the chief of army staff the general Farrukh Iyer who was almost getting to tonight. Over two hours a few of us invited and sat down with him and we asked him various questions concerning the public security outcomes and he gave his candid, very candid opinion on what is going on. To him he believed that we are much better than we were and that public security which I advise by a little bit little bit of elements like Aiswa Boko Hakan is it is being reduced it is reducing and he also spoke about the killing and massacre that happened at Shiroro Niger State last week when it was about 30 students were killed and your government had to tell us that the military is doing everything possible. It does not. We went as far as even discussing the issue of the passengers in that Abuja and we actually are still at the hospital of some elements stories and they also said that something is being done but if I could watch the question in that way first it means that the way our security architecture is being run now it can no work it definitely can't work but it will be very difficult for us on this credit happens in legal and media you have to get the permission of a minister who also decided to get permission from the president who used to be a military man and governor cannot just call out the police even the police you can get permission to be commissioner of police but before that decision the commissioner of police have to get across to the IDP who had given certain instruction so but they are called the chief security officer as they say how are you a chief security officer if you cannot be able to give the instruction to the police? Chris so Chris how come you know the constitutional review that we have has not can see that I mean those who should be inflicting or lobbying for a case like this decentralization of the security architecture have not actually made any move I mean how come because it's a function of the constitutional review and we've had you know the process aren't going but that's really not on the front boner so why are we not having this on the front boner? No during the constitutional review I know that there are too many presentation to be matched by civil society and a lot of people on the new amendment of the constitutional especially when when it comes to the issue of state policing and don't forget that we have made attempt and if it goes on to the to the national assembly on issues like this I know that there was a time that the southern governor's forum took a decision on this to do but the president wanted for it and I just want to know what is happening what is happening it's just the selfishness on the part of our lawmakers these people are not into us they are just representing themselves messy we are much more interested in talking about feeling jays, primaries that will be legislative primaries and rest of them they are much interested in their own work they are selfish in trade what they will be other than that on the review it has nothing to do even the economy I don't I didn't see anything like the move I think we seem to have a disconnection issue with Chris right there talking about the need for us to decentralize the security architecture I mean the spin calls and others are saying that you know we cannot afford that because it's going to cause a lot of confusion and others are saying when it comes to resources we don't have what it takes but what the issue is if we had a unitary structure of command I mean there's a unitary command structure that catered for you know region and you know government to take care of situation then why don't we return to it if that's going to be dissolution but we were told that Chris Kandy wanted one of his but Chris Kandy want to thank you very much for your time and for joining us but let's quickly move over to the nation you see for one more time you've been in a buja and you usually give us a feel of the feel supply situation in that part of the country I mean in other parts of the world fuel supply wouldn't be really like a subject for discussion or monitoring but we have to do that so I don't know what it is like right now in a buja if the queues have disappeared maybe help us to that information but one of the the stories on the front page of the punch of the nation newspaper happens to be the face of between the independent petroleum marketers association of Nigeria and a certain federal government agency this time the successor of a dpr which is a Nigerian midstream and downstream particularly on regulatory authority who were given a baptism of fire with that um Dettifio saga that has not been addressed fully now we are being told that a scarcity of petroleum may worsen unless the fg meets the demands of apeman both parties we're told to meet in a buja today to deliberate on a strike option being muted by apeman to drive home its demand for the payment of bridging gap this is a transition claim uh by apeman i remember last week president buhari or so or the last couple of weeks had said that money had been released now the nm dpra claims to have paid a max of 74 billion now for it and that's that's what the paper is saying christ over to you thank you for the first situation in nabu um i am not in nabu jah uh i'm in a worry now but uh the situation in nabu jah is not better um that of late goddess you know is uh is not much better um uh uh and we've said we've said this move back if you remember my tradition when messy and yourself put put me on the spot and say that i'm sick and uh yes it's happening i put i pray that this will not come to lego's and i feel i give you something what will happen in lego's and get into my position the fact is that there's obviously a problem between all your marketers and the various agencies of government that they would add uh the of uh petroleum or the the you are or another agency but that is not because even if you solve this and you're able to pay them i would tell you also for free a few weeks a month we'll see how long until we do what we ought to do you cannot continue behaving i just put your head on the a flag of sand and your whole body is exposed or to continue to do what we ought to do by making sure that we've been weaponaries and we are not a dependent country these issues would always come up this government i'm just tired of repeating myself like a broken record 2015 they promised us the number of refineries that would be built most say the refinery has been built and that's what said so people and builders now have the song in two times an argument of most of our refineries nothing has happened now they are hanging on waiting on that go to their investors in two days i'm waiting on that go to that go to deliver this refinery in 2020 never have won the movie 2021 it never happened this is 2022 so i decided to finish the refinery i was saying that we're not going to find a solution to our problem that is it for me so but that is what you get when you have government those in government who don't have the vision who don't have the work without who don't have the foresight to be able to do the right thing you are talking about the freedom you let me when last you have lights in your house i'm sure you run out of generator sent you with message and sent you with seven Nigerians almost all people go for days and weeks without light in fact at ten it's here sometimes there is a place in one thing i think it's okay to part or something go for that i have no hard light for 11 years go quote me anywhere because i've spoken to a lot of people that they've come to complain they've not had light for over a moment yes go in and they are Nigerians so what are we talking about the ones we had the one that was the heritage of our 5000 ideas at the point we have you continue to see the level of collapse of the national grid on a daily basis so it is a matter of leadership for me it's not just about what these are not skyrockets science these are things that countries these are countries have been mean and and doing the effective best we have they don't even have the vision now they are campaigning again for us to vote for them and vote you vote we're asking for a radical change so that we can rule the norms and get people that can make it to the job go feel messy we have over 200 million Nigerians and so many of us can't do this job but what we have we have to talk with these people with a cake idea that i cannot be able to move us to the next one Chris you'll be surprised that things might get better with power supply because i saw some pictures making the rounds uh you know the fragment in instituting or uh an presidential power initiative i've heard of a ppi we should have thought of something different i'm not not not having two p's because oba san johan n i um what n i pp and this is this is a ppi so i don't know some some turbines or some mobile transformers coming in from simets in germany let's see if things will change well uh um Chris we we have to go now believe that we don't have a problem chris kende we we have to let you go now and and it is to some extent i think that kofi might just be very sarcastic with that one right there but thank you so much for talking about thank you for being part of the breakfast we look forward to sharing your thoughts on the show as we proceed you know next week thank you so much thank you very much for having me i have a wonderful day i'd like to make it right here for you that's true in particular because diesel is a bit uh too expensive merci i mean i'm saying that the federal government um shared some pictures of some meeting with some white guys i think in germany or somewhere i think simets one of those companies and uh talking about the presidential power initiative they want to bring in mobile transformers they want to bring in some other you know things um and then we're hearing that uh i don't know what i'm going to have like now that those things are coming in but it's costing some good amount of us dollars you know that's here it goes well we're just here to see how all of this unfolds and all of this works out that's the size of of the process when we return we'll be looking at our first major conversation right here please do with us