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Will Miller doesn't look anything like you. He doesn't put this quite off on now. I'm seeing things where people don't look anything like, I mean, Tom Cruise played Jack Richard, but he knows three foot smaller than him. It doesn't matter. Well, it sort of does. It doesn't matter. Interestingly, though, now we're talking about this. I've just watched Mr Bates versus the Post Office. Okay, so pause because I'm on episode three. I'm not going to ruin anything for you. That's why I said Will Miller because he's fresh in my mind, but carry on. Just in keeping with this conversation, then when I was watching the actual real news last night, they had Paula Venals on there and then the other one who was her sidekick. I actually thought that the casting of the drama characters with the real characters was actually very well done. It was interesting to see that they had thought about this a lot in their casting and I thought they did a good job and it was an excellent little drama series. It's an absolute disgrace. I'll be honest, Dave. This sort of is just like a little distant memory. I don't really have much notice at the time. None of us did, Barry, but that's the whole point is that actually it's taken an ITV bloody drama series to bring this to national attention. Now, suddenly, the government are doing something about it, but let's not get political. That's what I want to podcast. Well, you went, you know, podcast, I've got the ability to do that. Podcasts, then we've done some vividly. I mean, Mrs Dust, but I obviously just want to say that. I was thinking, when you were in the post, were you in the post or not? I've worked in the post. You've worked in the post. No, what kind of place it is. I know what kind. I was thinking Jason Bateman for you. I loved, I mean, that's a massive, I don't know whether you can now go and buy you dinner because I do really like Jason Bateman. I honestly think, I think if it was an Americanized version, they'd be looking. They'd want to glow me up wouldn't they? Yeah, and they do that a lot. I was watching a film recently and it was a very serious film and I've seen it a couple of times. Does this mean that you want Ryan Reynolds to play you? No, no, no, no. I'm fine. I want the feather of the traitors. I was going to say that Paul of the traitors plays you. He almost nailed it. And yeah, it was a, it was a, it was a bad woman who was again a political story. She took on the government and she was played by Keira Knightley. And I did a little bit of research. That was a good actress to play her. That's, I'm just going to leave it there. I'm just going to leave it there. Keira Knightley playing this young woman. Okay. There was another guy as well I'm thinking about for you, Baz. And you might know who this is because your television knowledge is better than mine. If he says Chris Maloney. Is it Mark Warren who was in Spooks? Is there a bit of, do you know who I mean? Mark Warren. I'm going to have to look, Dave. I mean, you know. Yeah, now, if you, if you, that's Mark with a C, by the way. Okay, that's fine. I mean, I've probably got an issue there with the fact he's spelling it with a C. Oh, no, forget that. I'm just talking, this is purely visual, that's all. But I'm just thinking that actually he could, I think Mark Warren as, you know, Mark Warren. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know Mark Warren because he was in, he was in Spooks. It's not where I know him from. I know him from, I know, he was in Band the Brothers. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And actually he was in Band the Brothers. He's been in Loan. Quite famously. Well, it's not quite famously. That's just, that's me going well over the top. He was in Band the Brothers. The character he played, they said, had died. And quite recently, the character, the family of the character to come. He said he went home and committed suicide. Okay. And quite recently, the, the family of him come out and said, no, no, he just, he just, he wasn't dead. He just lost all his records and stuff. So, quite interesting. Okay. Well, no, I also know him from, he was in an episode of Doctor Who. I know he's got on the screen, and you're not having any, he was in an episode of Doctor Who where Peter Kay was the villain in Doctor Who. I don't know if you remember that episode. Brilliant. Mark Warren's also showing things like Green Street, a state of play, safe boss, safe. I cast him as you personally. That would be my, my, my number one choice. I mean, Ned's gone. Ned's gone with this fella. Yeah. Ned's gone with. With Martin Freeman. Martin Freeman. Cos the grey. I mean, fair play. Ned, get me Paul out of the traitors up. And who's, who's playing Vitz? Oh, Vitty would be played. Robert Danny Jr, I think. Robert Danny's seen him all. I mean, no one's Josh Wander's not playing anybody. Ned, there's an image of Josh Wander on the screen. I don't know where that's come from. Ned will find it. Dave, I've got an exotic look on you, Dave. He's like, the hair is well grey hair. He's got great hair of, you know, mid 30s. You know, great. There's an emphasis. There we go. You need to, you need to look. He's on the screen. He's doing quite well, I think. He's not an actor though. I know, but I just feel, I feel like we, we could just make him an actor for this one. See, I can't see this picture on the screen. No, but you will see, you will see it now. If you describe it then. No, no, I won't describe it. What I'll do, Dave, and it'll be done right now. This is the magic of all of it is that I will actually put it in our group. I see. That's clever. Well, you say it's clever, I mean. See, I'm going for, I'm going for, if I had to pick one for myself, I'm going for Damien Lewis. Damien, you know why you won't pick him now? I know he's a great actor. He is a great actor. And I think Paul, even though he's got no acting ability, I think he's a close-up match. What about Buntney? You know, we've had, that isn't a bad one. Is that from Dave? Yeah, this is for Dave. No, I've got right here. Again, I can't, I can't. He's gone with Matthew Brodery. Yeah, Ferris Bueller. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'd take that. That would work. I mean, he's a little older than I am. Yeah, of course. He's almost like a more senior version of me. But again, he can play you in the future if we're Americanized, aren't they? Right? Yeah. Is Dave, is Dave not getting a touch of Rob Lowe? Oh, that's also hugely flattering. Do you know who my mum is? Do you know who my mum is? So, anything can happen? Do you know who my mum thinks I look like? Go on. Do you think I look like Aunt Anne Deck? Just merged? Yeah. Okay. If you merge their faces over each other, then she thinks I look like Aunt Anne Deck. I don't know whether it's a good thing or not. I think it's probably the big forehead. Well, I don't know. I mean, we've had, obviously, Letaro Martin as we've had before, Argentinian striker, Inter striker. The hair, the same hair, grey hair. So, Pair Day probably will be Damian Lewis. If America get older bit, then Batman Lewis and Lowe Rob Lowe. If it was done here, yeah, they'd go for someone. Paul's got a shelf. But if we were Americanized and put. Because we got a lot of bunchies for you, didn't we? Oh, bunchies, the bunchies, obviously. But I think that's two on the note. Yeah, it's two. It's two close, isn't it? You know. But it's an interesting concept, isn't it? Anyway. Anyway, it kills. I mean, it probably need, we probably need a little bit more content than just us three doing a podcasting. But it's a start, though, Barry. You need to have a start. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Is that this then builds into Toffy TV, the musical as well? Well, yeah. I mean, I'm thinking, sorry, just to circle back to the podcasting. What would happen to Bush? Would he be the guest star, wouldn't he? He'd have to be, wouldn't he be? But he'd be like a big name star who's only coming in now and again, and I'm thinking Will Ferrell. But Bush just put a pair of glasses on it. Just the glasses on it. Well, that is. You've gone big. You have gone big. Well, yeah, but just comes in it now and again. But because he only comes in it now and again, you can go big. There's an impact. You can go big. If you're doing it in front of a live, you know, live studio audience, they imagine the reaction when he walks through that door. When he's walking. The door just goes open. And everyone just shouts, Bush! Yeah. It's the Bush man. That's my name, you tit. Yeah, that's all that. Well, hey, hey. Class, class. I mean, there we go. We obviously recorded the last episode after Everton's nil-nil drama Crystal Palace in the FA Cup. The terrible injustice of Dominic Arthur Lund being sent off to which we still have. I think he's still looking. They're still apparently looking. They're now on 1,846 rewatch of the challenge to decide that, you know, he must have done so. You've got to go through our books first. They've got to put the busy with Everton. There's like, what? There's an appeal. An appeal for the 10 points we hammered them with. OK. What else with Everton? What else with Everton? Oh, hang on. Should we do them for a bit more money? What? Is these fellas trying to take it over and give it a bit of guidance? No, we put that to the bottom of the pile there. And now they want the repeat. These never show up. These and the bleeding fans. We've got a letter here from something called the fans for them. And Barry Williams. They're just at the Parment of the Premier League to the Everton department. Just at the Premier League. Just one whole wing. Everton. The Everton's right. And it's been like, yes, I'll hold. Thank you. Exactly. You're holding for weeks. Obviously no defeat at the weekend. It's great. What a weekend. But obviously the draw was made last night, David. And Luton, well, it's Bolton or Luton now, isn't it? Because Bolton got a good result at Kennell Way throughout the weekend. You'd still obviously favour Luton because of the Premier League side. But you never know when and how serious they take that briefly. Great opportunity for Bolton at home to get another Premier League side in the next round, whether it be Everton or Crystal Palace. But if it was, you know, from an Everton perspective, it's not a bad draw at all, really, Dave, home side. I think it's a good draw. I'm quite happy with that, to be honest with you. Happily face either of those two. I agree. I think it's more likely to be Luton. But the way that Bolton are playing as well, and up for the cup and all that, it could be them as well. But yeah, happy with that. It's mainly happy with the home side, to be honest with you. The thing is, Dave, though, what you are forgetting is, have Luton got the ability to go to the tough sheet stadium on a Tuesday night? Yeah. And has there ever been a more appropriate stadium? It is a tough sheet stadium. I mean, what a name? What's a name? And they've got to go there on a Tuesday night. That's a tough one, and it's the 16th of January. I don't know whether that makes any difference to Dave. I don't know whether it does. It's a tough sheet stadium. And the worst thing about that is, you've got to contend with people trying to park to go the Aztec. It's a difficult one. You know, and as you're trying to get into... Is the Bolton still there? The Bolton are still there at the end? Oh, must be. I was there in the summer. I went for pre-season. Went for pre-season, and luckily enough, I did have my parking validated, which always helps. Massively helps there. But, you know, the next was busy. The Aztec was busy, but I didn't see the bowling. They've still got a subway there as well. I remember that from years ago. I think there was a subway there. And in the summer shop, not like an underground walkway to another world. And they had the KFC just plonked in the middle, didn't they? Love that. Brilliant. Great times. Great times. That was the Reebok stadium. That's what they've done wrong. Now it's the tough sheet stadium. Barry, it's a difficult mouth now. I apologise. I mean, Ped, you've reported this exclusively on our daily news. That means it was a bit of a... Well, it is exclusively because it was you. Yeah, that is true. You know, I mean, someone will redo it. Well, someone will redo it and just talk about it. Yeah, but that moment will be in the show. That's made it into the network stock it's got through. But yeah, not a bad throw, really. Yeah, it's all right. I'm not going to get too palace-faced. Oh, yeah. If that happens, then we can get excited. Oh, oh. Is Elyse back for the replay? Of course he is. Anyone they ever add in to it will be back. The bring them back, Andy Gray. Yeah. Andy Johnson. Andy Johnson. Mark Bright's signing. Ian Wright said he might come out on, you know, hours of return. Eric Young and all show. Vinnie Jones. Alan Pardew. Pardew's there. Pardew'll be there. Vinnie Jones will be there. He'll be there dancing on the toilet. He'll be there dancing, won't he? I'll be loving it. Pardew's just giving it the owl. Giving it all that. And I hope he's making up for it. Look, I'll play in the ring. To tell referees what to record him for, isn't it? But there you go. Yeah, he'll be a good one. He'll be a good one. Tough one this weekend, Dave. All be it. It is at Godderson Park. So that's a good, a boost for evidence. He should have Abdelai Decorau available. And that is a huge boost to Sean Dite if he is available, isn't it? Yeah, massive. And he's been sorely missed, I would suggest, in his absence. A big game at the weekend. But actually, do you know what? I think it's the sort of game that we need. I agree. I think it's the sort of game that we need because we play better against a better side. And I just think that we need to get back to us a little bit and the kind of performances and team displays that we saw before the Christmas period. And I think we need to get that. But I think we need some confidence back. And I think this is a good way of doing it. I mean, it will be tough for sure, but I'm actually not disappointed to be playing Villa at this moment in time. I mean, pad, these are, obviously, they're very much in a title race at the moment where they are, but they're not unbelievable. They're not, you don't look at it and go, we haven't got a chance. I look at it and think it's on an opportunity here because they are a good try. But I've seen them against Burnley around Christmas and they were up in that and Burnley equalised. And we only had 10 men and we're chasing it. And they got in a few times, Burnley, from one straight ball and it was just poor finish and let them down. But I think like they said, this is a good opportunity for Everton to dust themselves down. It's been a reset, isn't it? Yeah, it is big energy and having the corey back. Yeah, they're quite a relentless side of Villa. They keep going the way you're down. They've got a tremendous backline. That's what worries me a little bit, the backline. They've been so organised and have played so well. That's with a lack of ability to score and that is an issue. And obviously at the moment Dominic Cavallun is suspended. Beto, obviously will be available and hopefully the corey is available. It gives us an extra, well, it gives us something because something we haven't had in that area. So it will be a tough game and you have to approach it like that. You have to look at it and think, well, for them it's a big game as well. They've had a dodgy Christmas, haven't they? You know, they had a great opportunity to go top of the league, blew it and the results following that were great. They dropped off a little bit and they sneaked through in the cup as well away. So, yeah, of course it will be tough but it gives us that opportunity. The players will have had 10 days rest, hopefully to freshen up a little bit, a few days off and a few players back. And we give them a good going. And, you know, because we have to start, obviously picking points up quite quickly now with everything going on and trying to drag ourselves away. And we obviously could be in the bottom three going into this game as well, which is a bit of a... It's just a mental thing, isn't it? They play badly, don't they? They play badly at badly on Friday night. And that's more of a little mental thing, isn't it? Just horrible luck because we... If anyone's so in, we need it to be been. But a draw is probably the best. He's all in the knack, put your leading level with us. But that's just the way it is for me. No, that is the way it is, isn't it? That is the way it is. And we just have to contend with that and start picking up points in the second half of the season. The importance of decor, I don't think, can be overstated, Dave. And we got given a stat last week, which is incredible, that evidently have only won three games without him since he signed. Which is a crazy stat of my bringing it. It's unbelievable. So that shows you the importance. Particularly since you're on dates, coming in, he's on one in three. One goal every three games for dates, which is a brilliant attempt. He's huge, not just... I mean, in terms of what he creates and just his box-to-box play, but actually the fact that he finishes as well. You know, he's often the person there, you know, when a shot goes in, gets rebounded or something, the person you want on the edge of the box to leather it's him. So we have missed him, but on that note, in a similar vein, Onanna, take money for him? Or, I mean, personally, I would. I'd take good money for Onanna himself. I wouldn't right now. I think he's going to go on the summer anyway, regardless. I just worry, Dave, that we just can't replace him this month. And I think, you know, if I've had 28 points and it was a little bit of a different feel around it, you might look and go, well, if he wants out and we can get a good amount of money for him, then we can restrain, you know, strengthen it and all that. But I just look where we are and I just think he's key to what we do. And he splits a ping and some people don't think he's that good. Others like him. I think he's one of those players that, when he moves through a better side, people will start going, oh my God, what a player he is. But I just think he's, I just think right now he's too important to let go and give him, we don't have a lot of him in field plays and January is such a tough window to go and replace someone of that importance. Yeah, I just don't see his replacing him. And I think that is that extra little bit of quality which we'll keep us away from. Well, hopefully we'll keep us away from the bottom three, having players like him who can dominate games. So, yeah, I can see where you're coming from, Dave. I just, timing for me is just, you know, let's sell when we want to sell rather than someone dictate to us. I just don't see his replacing him and that's the biggest fear Dave. We've all been in this for a long time and we all know how the club works. And, you know, if they add someone lined up or they add two or three lined up, then maybe you'd look at it. But I look at it and think if we sell and we haven't even got a replacement for them at the club right now. Yeah, I know that's fair enough. You know, I suppose my decision is based on a hypothetical situation in terms of he's a valued asset. He's worth a lot of money, you know, which we need. But as you say, it's all about replacement. It's about timing. And unfortunately, you know, at the time of recording, it's the 9th of January. You can see that, you know, if he was to go in January, everybody drag out until the 25th or something and then we'd be left with our pants down with nothing. You know, we'd have some money in the bank but a severely weakened side. And that money can ever wait and we know that can't we? Absolutely. And there, you know, you want to show him. I suppose what I'm trying to say is the fact that he just does it for me. You know, we've just, we've just, you know, hailed the praises of Decore. He's not as important as Decore for me. You know, he's not. I know he's a good player, but I could I could see us living without him. With the right money and the right replacements. I know what you're saying. Absolutely. But that's for me anyway. That's a conversation in the summer. But I think he allows Decore right to do what he does. Whereas I don't think if, I think if we show them now, I don't, you know, I look, I do a lot of looking around at players and replacements and think ahead and go if we show them. Could we get, I just don't see who could come in and hit the ground run and think you get them in in the summer. Don't forget there's the euros this summer as well and you'll be going with Belgium. So therefore his value will go up again. He is only 22 years of age. And I think if he goes and does okay, I think a lot of clubs will be looking in his direction. And then that gives the manager and the coaching staff a plan on Kevin Thelwell. And therefore he can identify replacements and then you can get him in. And if it's someone like Kefrym Torra, who haven't lived with women and aren't over buying last summer and didn't. But he's available. Someone like him is young and powerful enough to do it. Just say it was him and I'm not saying for one minute that everything will be able to get him. But wages and Premier League often gives you players that you think you might not be able to get. If he was to come in then early July, then he's got that four or five weeks. Hasn't he to bed in before the owners is on him? I just think now, even if you could go and get a player like that, how many times have players come in in January and just had no impact? And I just think that is way too risky where everything has. In my opinion, and obviously it's really ghanig. I know he was sub for Senegal yesterday. Ghanig didn't get on. Can we just rely on him? Because without him, we don't have a defensive midfielder. We really don't. So I just think just right now, Dave, I just think he's too important to let go. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So tough game. Can we win? We've got two home games in about three days, isn't it? And if everything was to win both of them, then you'd be in a great position, I think. I wouldn't need to be. It's tough, but it ain't tough sheet. Yeah, that exactly. And even if we get through, it won't be tough sheet on no. And unless we draw, then we would be in the tough sheet then. Won't we? Without VAR. Without VAR. And everyone knows no VAR, tough sheet. Yeah, that's it. That's what he said. That's literally what he said it. I mean, isn't it a ludicrous situation, as you say, was highlighted at the weekend with the Sunderland Newcastle game? Had it gone to a replay back at St James's, then obviously VAR would have been... I mean, what a nonsense. Yeah. The fact that it's in one leg and not in the other leg. I mean... It's crazy. I don't understand how you can have a cup competition that just depending on where you're playing, they use this extra. I just don't get it. I just think it shouldn't. And the talking, and they've obviously in the caribou cut them semis of this week, the first leg, because they've been VAR because Middlesbrough, and they don't have it. So they've said it's not getting used in either semi-final. That's fine. That's a sensible decision. That goes far as saying don't even use them in the final, because you've gone all that way without it. Why would you then bring it in for a final? You know what I mean? Surely for me, it's a lot easier whereby... If you've got a competition, as any competition is, which goes beyond top-flight, which is the only league in this country that has VAR, is it surely you just have to deal without it so that you have a level playing for a long time? I mean, that's the only way you can possibly do it. So that, you know, if... Whatever. You know, if Bolton are playing Plymouth or something like that, then it's the same as if Spurs are playing Man United. It's an equal playing field. I saw a lot of people commenting at the weekend saying, isn't it great to watch a game of footy without VAR? It's like brilliant stuff. I remember what footy. We're only talking a few years. It's not been that long. And people are saying, oh my God, this was when footy was good when there was no VAR. That's obviously matchably romanticised. There's no... But it's bad, isn't it? It's like... But how can it just be... How can, in this competition, it be based on the venue as opposed to the competition as a whole? Member Milwell. I think... Member Milwell, by the way, not when Silver was the manager. See, I think the way they look at it, I think we look at it as fans, different from what the people who obviously organise the tournaments. People who organise the tournaments look at it as a tool to help referees. But as a fan now, and I think this is the disconnect between the fan and the people who, you know, the officials and everything else is, the organisations is... They see it as like a tool to help the referee. We see it as something that referees the game. So we see it as some kind of evidence of that. We see... You put up on last night, or you re-tweeted the one last night of Tom Cannon from the weekend where they get chuffed in the box and it's a clear penalty and the referee just weighs it on. And that to me is, that's the problem. The referee are the problem with the game. I personally don't think VAR is the problem with the game. I think the referee are the problem. What's the people using it? The people using it. The problem is now the way they use it means that everything gets looked at. We can't enjoy goals the same way. We all know this. We all know this. We're all football fans. We know this. So now we're all used to that. We sit there and we watch the match and if there's no VAR, we can go, it's a goal. We don't have to worry about the red lantern hasn't got to flag up. You can enjoy it. Yeah, we can enjoy it. So they have to get away if they continue to use it, which they will of course, to get back to that state of, we're not looking to try and stop goals. We're not looking how to send somebody off. They have to somehow change our minds as fans because as I said, they look at it as a tool to help the referee where we clearly now see it as the tool to referee the games of football and that's a worry in place to be in. And I think that's the difference between VAR in this country and VAR in other countries. I don't think in other countries they use it to literally referee the games because that's what's going on now. Sean Dyche keeps on saying, why do they keep sending people to the screen because you know what the outcome is? Until that starts breaking, until the referee start looking at things going, no, it wasn't ascending off. No, I'm not disallowing that goal. No, I'm not changing my decision. Then we as fans, we people in football will continue to look at the situation, thinking what's the point with having all these different things. And it's sad, it's sad that people are now doing that. Can I ask you a question? Go on, Dave. On that front. And I genuinely don't know the answer to this because I've never really thought about it. But in terms of VAR and what is required for it, and why it is only available at Premier League grounds, is that because there is technology and infrastructure in the ground? In other words, there is stuff within the ground that Kenilworth Road has, ironically, that the stadium of light, which ironically is a far bigger, better stadium, is it because they have... How does it work? I don't know. It's paid for by the Premier League. It's put in in the summer. All the sight lines must have to already be developed and everything. And that's basically the reason. And it's one of the reasons why... Well, it's sort of the similar reason why we don't have the offside we have in the Champions League yet is because for the same reasons is because of the way it works in the Champions League is they have cameras that are already put in place that are purposely in there, not as TV cameras, but obviously to know where the players on the ball are at all times. So, again, it's just a case of having to change that every year and having to put it in place and this talk of the ball as well. The ball needs to be made by the same manufacturer to... Or certainly not the manufacturer that makes the Premier League ball at the moment. And all these little things that... Yes, you can't just install the air cameras in your ground. They are... Yeah, that's another thing. How it works, it's not just a case of people having a look... In other words, it's not a technology which is entirely done in post, i.e. they've got the same pictures in Stockbyd Park whether it's from the stadium of light or Kennelworth Road. It's actually to do with stuff in the ground that's creating the lines. Yeah, and so if you get relegated the sad day when two wake and saying up and go, can we take our cameras back? It's connected to your VR. Just disconnect. Pull a plug, I'll take the router back. That's when you know. That's when it's real trouble. That's when it's real trouble, yeah. It's a nonsense rule. It's a nonsense rule. As we move forward and the weather starts to get a little bit better, me miss a show me this. It's one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. Now they'll put it on the screen now. Look in our grip. Look in our grip, Dave. I mean, the headline or the tagline that goes with the image that you were all seeing now is are you concerned about having ugly feet this summer? No worries. We got you covered. I'm not being funny. They're not exactly decent feet. So for people, I mean, look at the big toe. So for people listening on the podcast, this is a pair of sandals which have human feet in them where you insert your feet into them. So it looks like you're... You mean human looking feet. Human looking feet. Yeah, I don't. I do not. I don't think they look like you. You know, I can't qualify that. Hang on. You know when you fill in your donor card, you're not kind of putting in there the fact that you will happily donate your feet to a factory in Taiwan to make the sandals. Absolutely. Listen. What happens in Taiwan stays in Taiwan. Stranger things have happened. Obviously. So they are human looking, very, very, very good copies of human feet. I mean, that big toe has got it. That gives it the realistic feel. It does, I think. It does. Yeah, so there's a pair of feet in these which look like already terrible sandals themselves and you place your feet into the ankle, obviously. So they are horrendous. Wood Ned wear them. I because he Ned Wood wear them. He's made some terrible choices on his feet today. He isn't one of them, but he's come in with some pretty outdated choices and he is a man that wants crocs, remember. Would he be... I wouldn't put a past him banishing in a pair like this. Maybe not Ben. Did that mean sliders, though? Rather than those sandals because the sandals are a little bit... Again, they are... It's fork for... Well, he looks like a spider, essentially. Holding to... It does look like a spider holding a foot. Holding a foot. And at the back, there is a couple of straps. It's very disturbing. Very, very... Very, very disturbing. It's not great. I've seen better. And the big toe is... Yeah, there's not a nice about them. No, they do look like ugly feet. They're not pretty feet, are they? No, I'm sure. You can sometimes have pretty feet, I think. But those aren't made. Dainy, as well. They're not great. Dainy? They're not great. No. Listen, people. People. And who told you about these? Me, Mrs Seedon, just went, look at this. And I said... Dropping hints for Valentine's Day, maybe? No, I don't think so. I don't... She's got nice feet. It wasn't a situation of like, oh, well, you like this. Maybe you'll like these as well. You know, kind of comparative shopping. Oh, well, you've ordered these. She basically just went, look at this. And I said, Stend it to me, because we are going to disgust that on the one hand. These are some kind of... Sex, eh, daddy? I don't think so. I mean... You know, for people who like feet. What, would that get you excited? The people who like feet? They can't like terrible feet, surely. Oh, surely. Some people like a foot rub, I believe. That's fine. Or like... Yeah, you know. That's fine, but if surely if Buffettish is where you're at, which is fine. Different, you know, different strokes for different folks. Oh, very much different strokes. Exactly. I look at them and just think they... What do you think? I'm not willing. They can't. Well, maybe they can. I don't think so, but we do live in a world where people will buy pictures of other people's feet off them. People just... Only feet off, whatever, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, I'd imagine that there probably is some kind of market for, you know, people being sent, you know, worn socks in the post. I imagine that. You know, that kind of thing. I imagine that. It's a good one, though. Ned's actually said he'd wear them if someone lent them to him. Well, he would. He would. I don't know whether he'd gone by them. He'd have somebody else's feet. Yeah, in there. And a bit of dish colouring from the sweat in the Ned. That'd be lovely. That's disgusting. Fair, fair. I wonder if you can get accessories, you know, so you can paint the nails. Possibly. Or if there are other sandals to go round, said false feet and maybe... Yeah, you know, you might be able to print them up. And actually, yeah, you know, sort of buy different parts. Just paint them and pretend that you've got socks on with them. Paint my toes. Paint my toes. Paint my toes. Are there a German version where you get socks to go into the sandals? Maybe. Do you know what I'm saying? Ah, it's interesting. Yeah, yeah. It's a whole topic. A feat of the world. Fair play. It's fair play. I also saw this the other day and thought, this is a little bit deep, but we are going to discuss it. OK. Right? Have you ever thought or realised, right? Yeah. That we're probably within a generation that is the last living humans, right? That existed pre-internet. OK? OK. Kids, so this had the thing with kids will never know what it's like to experience boredom, to go outside and do things to achieve and to be occupied, because nowadays you've got everything at your fingertips, haven't you? Yeah, everything. You know, when we were kids, without going all... To take feet. When we were, you know, we certainly didn't have sandals with feeding when we were kids. But there was no internet. There was no, you know, social media and all that. If you wanted to try this before, you know, if you wanted to see if your mate was in, you'd go and knock for someone or you'd go down to the field, the pitch, see if everyone's having a game of 40 or whatever, but we had to leave our house to interact with a lot of different people. And we had to leave our house to, yeah, like you say, get over that boredom. Like, I've just, I've got obviously Zach, who was off school over Christmas, and Bar in a couple of days was basically playing on his PlayStation, talking to all his mates, you know, if you have a party and they're all chatting and they're playing games or whatever. But is technology reliant on this mate? Exactly the same way that when we were kids, you know, an old piece of wood and a few house bricks or something like that, and then that was a whole day's entertainment with your bikes and, you know, lining your mates up and pretending to be evil can evil. You know, do that for hours. Of course, of course. Yeah. Yeah, and you'd break something. Until you then had to go home, you know, when your mum had your tea on. And that's it, isn't it? And you'd like occasionally break something and do your best to hide that from your parents? Oh, absolutely. I listen, you know, there was lots of lamps in our living room that was glued back together. Bones? Oh, bones. Yeah. You wouldn't really hide broken bones from your parents. I mean, I remember we were playing in a... We decided one day to have, you know, take a golf club into the local school and collect... No, no, but we weren't on it. Like... You'd be on the news now? Yeah, but we were just hitting balls, like, you know... At the school? No, on the grass in the school. And we're just, like, practising that. Like a 9-9 and so on and that far. And one day I've hit it, and I've hit it too well. And it's cleared the fence and went through the corner of me mate Nan's front room. And it was an unbelievable shot because it was one of those old windows that had the lead line and put it in, blocks the window. So you've got the big window and then you've got the sash that opens and it was divided into six little blocks and the golf shot, I think, went in the top corner of one of these right in the corner. So, luckily, they could just replace that little thing so they let us off with it, put the noise as it hit the window and you'd hear the shatter, heart-sinking moment. Probably similar feeling. Well, your heart would have been shattered in the same way as the glass, perhaps. Exactly. And if someone turned up with those sandals for me, it would have a similar feeling, but it is when you think of it like that. It is mad, isn't it that? Everybody else won't, like Ned will never, ever have experienced that. Yeah, listen, I get it, people will, you talk to your grandpa and you haven't got any, but you know, you talk to older people and go, yeah, well, you know, when I was a kid, we had the war and we had this and we had that. We can't think of it like that. We had the war to entertain us. We had the war, though. There was a war going on. We can talk about COVID and lockdown and stuff like that, can't we? Exactly, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was your modern day war. We had flip phones. We did. We had flip phones. Not a face, we didn't. No, but we got them eventually. I know, but I'm saying, as we were kids, there's that, which I think a lot of young people just would never, ever now be able to get their heads around. No. The fact that part of life has gone, it will never, ever return. You will always have technology, don't you find that? It's just like a VAR thing. You're trying to get into the conversation. The kids. Just have a look. When we used to go to maths, there was no VAR. No, if you... Do you know what I mean? No, when you think of it like that, it is a crazy thing, really. Isn't it that devil? They never, ever have to think about that now because technology is driven in such a different way. I think especially as well is that when you see really, really small kids stroke babies, you know, we were only like a year old and already they're completely familiar with the touchscreen. Yeah. And even someone was telling me the other day that there was a kid and they had like a piece of paper with a drawing on it and this kid automatically was doing that. Trying to make it bigger, yeah. To make it bigger? Yeah. Because just instinctively, that's how it works, you know. I mean, we've all done that. I'm always doing it with photos. I go, I can't make it bigger. Just to make it look, you know, to zoom in. You can't put a kid doing it. Exactly, Dave. Well, I remember, I remember when Zach was about, I don't know, 16 months or something, I remember he had, my phone he just started, like he was just flicking through the photos, you know, with like one finger just going and it's like we were like, what actually, you know, but they're taking everything in but that's where technology is. That's it. And it's not a train, it's a bad thing, but it is just a weird thing to think we're probably the last kind of generation. Maybe, and there'll be people of just a little bit younger, but then after that, so what 95, wasn't it really? That like the internet was available for people. I remember being in uni and it was like, this big thing and you had to go on. The set engine and he loaded up and then you done this and done that. But I just think that is mad that we're all sharing this planet, but we're like the last who have experienced that thing. That's scary when you become that generation where you're like the, do you know what I mean? You're like the oldest, kind of generation. I can't remember that. And then they go and then this new one will never ever, you know, after. Do you think we'll develop like bigger thumbs and things for, you know, in time? You said that, haven't you? I don't know because my nephew on Christmas day was just had no issue. Like he was just like talking to his iPad, like, you know, just like, you know, obviously using the Google thing, just find me this, find me that. So more, they've moved on from using the thumbs, to just telling the crazy. Well, that's it though, isn't it? I mean, we all do it with a lecture or, you know, if you're driving with Siri or do whatever, it's there, isn't it? You can just ask it and it'll find it for you. And you've got it with that. I might see Beatles it. You say. Do you want to, do you want to go on? I hate this weird thing. It's not weird, but it's weird when you're first there. So I hate this the other day. There's this story about this guy Harrison Ruffin Taylor. He's 91 years of age, right? And this tells you're out. We're talking about all kids and all this, but this tells you how closely our time moves really fast. Oh, yeah. His grandfather, John Taylor, was the 10th president of the United States and was born in 1790 and was part of George Washington's. His grandfather? His grandfather. And that tell. So he's 91 years of age and his grandfather was in George Washington's cabinet. And American, he just came out in America the other day, even out one of those things. And the Americans were just like, how? How can someone still be alive whose grandfather was the 10th president of the United States? And that just shows you. We go, we all, we think time. Like it's just like, you know, the last couple, it's nothing. It's a couple of generations. You know, you speak to your, I'm sure we all, like, you know, spoke to me dad and you mentioned like iPads or talk and he'd go, bloody hell. Well, the big one, we made our own bikes. That's what I was told. And we made our own bikes. We used to go round looking for bits and parts. We made our own bikes. So that's where we are now. I'm sure we make our own goals. And like that. So I mean that now, now. So we Nans is in Wellstead Road. So I was old. We would, I was there with group of us would always just go and play footy old. I said, like some of all of these and things like that. Oh Christmas, we'd go up, everyone's off school. And what we done, you know, little bit of, vandalism, but it wasn't vandalism. No, no, no, no. I'll tell you why, you know, the fences. Oh yeah. So them like poles. So if one was broke off, so you could get in the field. If there was another one loose, you'd always find it just laying in. If it was loose. No, listen, so the grass went and then there was a little ditch to where the fences were just like a small one. You'd always find one of those fence posts in there. So if there was another loose one, you might break it off. And then that big thing, you'd whack them into the ground. They'd become the two goal posts. We only doing it to play football and all that. Yeah, well, that's it. And that was the recreational. Exactly recreational. So we should build our own goals. That was it. And I remember once someone had the bright idea that we'll get wood and we'll just hammer it together. Oh yeah, yeah. But the net on it will be great. My God, have you ever tried to bloody make a goal like that? With not the, not the strong, because we had net someone. I've got net. And we tried to put up. And it looked great. We had the pin back. It looked great. See, we were two shots and then it went. As they said before, we were the generation who sat in Liverpool. We played on building sites and never thought anything of it or jumped over massive chasms on our BMXs and stuff like that. We are what they showed in Strings of Things. Strings of Things, yeah. It's the bike from it. We are that generation of like, I just remember, like when I was a kid, there'd be loads of like building sites that I did stop building for one reason or another. And the next minute, you've suddenly got this adventure playground and you wouldn't think anything of it. Now, now, my God. It's terrifying. But also it was a fact that, you know, our parents had no idea where we were. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, in the days now where, you know, kids are, you know, they're tracked by satellite on apps and stuff. So they know exactly where they are. If they're walking home from the bus stop or whatever, you can see where they are step by step. In those days, as you say, you came back from school, you got changed, you went out on your bike and you were out and nobody knew where you were until you came and you were completely uncontactable. Yeah. Absolutely, Matt. And everywhere you said you were, you're off your way. No, no, you say, oh, you're going to dingy, you know. I went to Schalport when I was six with my mate, Antonio, which is bizarre when I think back terrifying. I don't know how when you, how to get out of the bus. How old was Antonio? Antonio was six. Thirty-four. I was going to say, help me out. And he had a pizza bar. Oh, I told you that. He was a knobhead. We got the bus into town. I knew how to get the train to Schalport. Six, by the way. Terrified me now I go cold when I dingy by the way. And we went to the fair and I wanted to go on the ghost train and he wanted to go on the Helter Skelter. So I said to him, right, go on the Helter Skelter when he comes to the, when you get to the bus, just wait there, I'll be a bit longer because this is a go. And I went on, I wouldn't go on the ghost train on my own now. I don't know, it came out the ghost train, walked over to the Helter Skelter, he disappeared. What? So I was like, what a generation? He must have gone on. So I went back to, walked back from Schalport. Six. At six. Dave, the early 70s, man. What a place. Right, what a place. So I'll be in 78, 70 now. I walked back to the train station, got the train home, to Lime Street, got the bus from Lime Street, to Pickton Clock. Got off there, walked, knocked up my mate Rob on the way. So that's just been to Schalport. You're six. What are you knocking on people's doors for? So three Rob and then it got to me nans, we lived a little bit further down the street and as I got there, the next minute my dad pulled up with Antonio on the back. And the police had rang. And I was in big trouble. That was a three fit. Three fit, when I was a kid. When I was a kid, and I don't know if you did this, I'm sure Dave didn't do this. But I was literally just giving a save away and just told you go away. Like literally you just get your save away. Might scratch you off, you might not. And you can get on it when you go on. Just get on a bus. And just get on a bus and go round. You know what we all knew where we were, didn't we? We knew like bus routes. You know, get the 46 to the mat and things like that. A bit admitted when I was about like 10. But a few of us would get the bus to the mat and go to the mat. Might you tell on a kid now you had a save away? Just go. That'd be terrified. It was actually like nearly 13 next week. You were having to say you had a save away. I'd be like, no, I don't like him even getting the bus. But that's what it was like. And the other thing as well, we'd have, we'd all have a big game on a Sunday afternoon. Like to be lots from around, like whatever. And we'd have two teams and it'd be like nine or so. But all's it was was obviously just we're playing it too. And you know what? There was nine a side there. People turned up. Now you've got apps and all that people. Oh no, I can't make it. I'm busy. This generation. But bikes, throw the bikes down. Oh my God, great game. This generation don't know the bone. Well, I mean they do. Well, they do because you can look on the app. The Apple selling where they are and what they're doing and what they're making for the team. And what they're making for the team. So there you go. Great times from a 3R. Please that, Lloyd. We sound like really old people. It's good to just reminisce at times and to let the younger group of people who listen go, but no internet. No beds. We just had shouting. Shouting. That was our internet. Get in for your tea. Yeah. That was the internet in them days. Oh no. And you knock for someone on the way in. Do you know where they've gone? Said he was going to Bloody Blatt or you'd go down. There'd be like three places where you'd check. If they were in one, they were in the check. Beats that he wasn't right for when I was a kid. I know that. Cos we walked everywhere. Exactly. We got to walk everywhere. And there was flashes. That's all I'm saying. But that's a different one. There was always flashes. There was flashes. Let's talk about flashes next week. Yeah, another time. Next week. Yeah, there's a cliff hanging for you. It is. It is. More on Days Roof and Flashes next week. Right. We are done. The two aren't connected by the way. No. Well, well. It's really unconnected. It's your roof finished. You're flashing on your roof. It's a flat roof, so it's actually easy to stand on and get a good purchase for whatever activity you want it to be doing. And actually a good vantage point for displaying stuff far and wide, but no, they're not connected. But we can talk about that next week. And if you do have flat roofs, they do have left flashings on to keep the connection. There you go. Flash. Yeah, there's a flashing connection. I like it. There you go. If you like it. There you go. Right. That's us done. Make sure you like, subscribe, give it a five star rate and do all of that good stuff. Big thanks to Dave. Thank you, Dave. Thank you. He's just waving. Yeah. He's on the roof flashing. Checking the flashing. Right. We're going. Take it easy. See you later. Bye.