 Pastor Benny Hinn has been faithfully preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit for over 40 years. He is known around the world for the anointed healing ministry that God has given to him. His massive crusades, conferences, outreaches, bestselling books, and highly watched broadcasts are making an enormous impact for the Gospel. Pastor Benny continues to be one of the most anointed servants of God alive today. His life and ministry have heavily impacted mine. I first began watching Pastor Benny when I was just 11 years old. Over the years, he has become to me a friend, mentor, and father in the faith. This will be the beginning of the greatest day of ministry in your life. I was privileged to sit down with him recently and discuss the glory of past revivals and the coming move of the Holy Spirit that he says will spread throughout the nations of the world and be greater than anything the Church has ever seen. Thank you for coming on to encounter to me. David, I am so honored. I really am. What a wonderful, wonderful ministry the Lord has given you and what a wonderful young man you are. Well, I'm happy that you're here. And I just wanted to talk to you because, you know, my generation really is hungry for the power of God. And even though we've seen sort of what I call trickling of the waters of the Spirit moving in our generation, we've not really seen yet what you saw in your day. And while we honor what God did in that day, we want to see God do something just greater than ever before in this generation. And we don't hear a lot about the Holy Spirit or the gifts of the Spirit or speaking in tongues. So I want you, just as a father in the faith, just talk to our generation. We're hungry for the presence of the Holy Spirit. So glad to be talking. I really believe this is of God that we're together and I think the Lord may want me to say more on additional programs. I don't think this is the first and last time we're going to do this. I will tell you something. I believe with all of my heart, you, this generation you're in, you are going to see more than we ever saw when I was young. Because you know, the Lord, whenever the Lord finishes a job, he finishes it big. So when he moved early in the 70s, when I was young, you know, there's a lot of things we saw that's correct, the birth of the charismatic movement. I was, you know, a part of it in many ways. I came in in the early 70s, it began in late 60s, but the early 70s it was still strong and then it kind of weakened in about 76 when Catherine Kuhnman went home to be with the Lord is when the end of that move, we began to see the end of it and then we sort of really the death of it. And then a new resurrection came for the word movement, which I believe ended up probably mid 70s. And then we saw another move of God after that. But let me talk about those early days in the first move. The first move that I was a part of, which we know as the charismatic renewal, when David Duplessis was a great leader in that movement, we actually called him Mr. Pentecost, Catherine Kuhnman, Pat Robertson, Derek Prince, Bob Mumford, so many others. And in that move, God did supernatural wonders through not only the gifts of the spirit, but really mostly through his word being preached with such incredible revelation truth. So yes, of course it affected my life in a major way. I believe myself that there is going to be another move greater than the charismatic move with greater depth of revelations than we heard, because the present conditions on earth demand it. So your generation is going to see a revelation of the word I have not seen. I'll tell you what I mean. You know, when the Lord began moving in those days, David, and I would go to a lot of the meetings. I went to my church Sunday morning, which was under the Watsons at the time. Then Jim McAllister came from the U.S., and we had incredible speakers. Jordan Boomb spoke in those meetings, Derek Prince, Lord Cunningham. All the fathers came to that church because God used it in a big way called the catacombs. They used the big Anglican cathedral in Toronto, right there downtown, which was unheard of before that. You think about having a move of God in an Anglican church, you know, the Church of England. And that's what God did. And of course, in that move, the prophetic was very, very, very strong, but what was really strong is the revelation that came out of the lips of these preachers that they themselves were discovering. You know, someone would be ministering, and then they would stop. And the Holy Spirit would take over, and they would start speaking the word, and sometimes they would start weeping. Other times they would be amazed by what the Lord was doing through them. We did not know that none of that was in their notes. The truth of God's word came out of their lips, with them not even studying. So inspiration right there on the platform? Right there on the platform. Wow. Right there. And they would, you know, say later, you know, I didn't plan on saying this, I didn't know I would say this, I don't know why I said that, all that. But suddenly they would minister with such power, well, the Holy Spirit took over their mouth. Do you remember what it was like sitting in those meetings? Oh, dear God. I remember very well what it was like in those meetings. It was pure glory. But I want to say that our levels of glory, because the glory, for example, in Catherine's meetings, what was a lot thicker, a lot deeper. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean the presence, the atmosphere was charged. The glory in the catacombs was through the preaching. So when they would start preaching with such revelation, you were like glued and stunned. Catherine, it was atmosphere. So one was word, and one was atmosphere. But the word that came through the watchtowers, these were names, famous names, the catacombs was, by the way, in the Pentecostal movement, and others, many, many, many others. Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, when they would minister to us kids, Lorne Cunningham, when they would minister to us kids, we all sat on the floor by the thousands, glued to every word, not realizing at the time that the Holy Spirit was speaking through them as He did the prophets in the Old Testament. So it was so strong and so life-changing where it was joy unspeakable. And people would start dancing with their eyes closed. Nobody would bump into any of the seats or the pews. I saw people dance in the spirit in those days. It was really supernatural. And in those days, we had a lot of visitations of angels, like real visitors of angels. Did you ever see them? Yeah, I saw one as appeared as an old man on the highway outside Toronto. He was hitchhiking and we all stopped. And you know, that's what I mean by days of such glory. We were out in the farms. We had gone to minister. We young people in one of the cities, close cities outside Toronto, and we're driving back and out of nowhere in this wide area, there was no buildings anywhere around to see or just cornfields. And he was this very sweet, very alive-looking man who seemed to be in his 90s, but his skin was smooth and very red and his hair pure white. He didn't look like a 90-year-old man. He looked very young, 90-year-old man and lit up. His eyes were lit up, his face was lit up. And the most beautiful smile, I'll never forget that, is hitchhiking. So we all stopped. We were in the Volkswagen, kids all over the place. I'm sitting in the center in the back seat. And Bob Tadman was driving, one of the young leaders of the church, and so we stopped. And he said, can you give me a ride? Well, surely we don't have much space. We took off. And then one of the girls named Michelle, she said, why don't one of us get out? Let's give him a ride. I'm sure he's not going to go too far. Let's just see what he wants, and maybe we'll come back and pick, or maybe two of you can get out, and you wait, and we'll take him wherever we want, and then we'll come back and pick you up. Okay, let's do it. So he made a U-turn, and he was gone. But there was nothing around. Like you couldn't have gone to a gas station. No gas station for miles. He came out of nowhere, like, you know, how did he get there? We still don't know. I still don't know. He just showed up, cornfields, by, what are miles and miles and miles and miles of nothing, except cornfields. So it sounds like the glory was in the land. Yeah. And so when we stopped, we made the U-turn and went to see him, we found all of us went through the cornfields, thinking maybe he had fallen, or? Oh, he was looking for him. Yeah. We didn't find him. Such glory days, there was a dear man named Don Riley. Don Riley had a church in Rochester. At the same time, he was in a restaurant, and an old man walked in, and the waitress kicked him out. It was about Easter time, and Don went to this pastor whom I knew, went and said to the waitress, why did you kick him out? Oh, he's just nothing but a bum. He said, would you let him back in so he can have a, he can have dinner? Yeah, yeah, I don't care if you pay for it. He said, yes, I'll pay for it. So he went out, he said to the old man, please come back and have your dinner and I'll pay for it. So the old man came back, and then Don went back to the preachers, they were having a meeting in the restaurant, he and a group of pastors, and he just happened to look to see how the old man was doing, and he was gone. So he goes back to the waitress, he said, why did you kick him out again? I paid his meal. She said, I didn't kick him out. And he went over and looked and his dinner was there and his bread and utensils, nobody touched anything. No old man. And in the middle of the night, he's sleeping, Don riding, he's sleeping, he wakes up and there's the old man in his room, and the old man says, I was hungry and fed and disappeared. And the revival broke out in his church. That's the kind of thing that happened in those days that I think you are going to see in a greater way. So when the Lord visited my life in 73, I can't lie about this. I would wake up a night and see angels in my bedroom. What did they look like? All sizes, all kinds of, I saw children. I saw the size of young men. Some were quite large, tall, I mean. Not wide, just tall. And they would look at me in a very puzzled way. Almost gave me the feeling of, what does God want with them? No, that's what I felt when they looked at me like, in a puzzled manner. This happened many, many, many, many times at night. So we had a lot of angelic visitations and we had experiences, like it happened to me one time, where I was translated in the car from place to another. There was a place called Bezac Center, not far from the airport in Toronto. And we would go there Friday nights, they had big meetings there all the time at Bezac and a man named Bernie Warren was the pastor and Bernie was a sweet saint of God, he and his wife, Darla. And I would go there, it was a nice farm they had and people would gather and have services and the glory of God was really strong at Bezac. Always packed out and the big hall. And so I would go there and sometimes I would say, I would stay for the weekends or come early and just stay there because it was like a retreat center, beautiful farms and beautiful hills and all that animals, cows and that's what I learned many of the hymns, I took the hymn over, we'd sing it sitting on a rock somewhere. But anyway, so we are there with a group of young people, there's a lady named Anne who people were from Britain and I wanted to go to listen to a preacher from Bolivia. He was an American, sort of Canadian, he talked on prophecy, the book of Daniel and he was speaking in a city called Kitchener, Ontario, and it's quite away from Bezac. So you're talking from the throne to airport to Kitchener, a good hour and something drive at least, an hour and a half. So when we went there, it took us an hour and a half or so to drive. The way back was 10 minutes. We left the church at night and now suddenly we're at this dirt road where Bezac was on. This dirt road was farms and I said to Anne, I said, that's the same street, Bezac is on. She said, there's no way because we just left the church and the church was on a dirt road. We didn't even get on the highway. I said, where can't be? I said, we just left the church and the sign, the name of the street was, where Bezac is? She said, it can be, maybe it's the same name. I said, Anne, turn left here and if we're at Bezac, you know, we had a miracle here, of course, we were kind of freaking out a little bit, I said, just turn left. It was nighttime. So, turn left. It's impossible, impossible. We just left. I said, look, just turn left. So she was shaken up. We turn left and here's Bezac. Right back where we looked at the clock and our watchers, we said, there's no way. The Lord literally took that car. It took us, we were on the highway going and no highway coming back. Just dirt road, one dirt road. These are the kinds of things that happen back then. My generation is hungry for these things. But it's going to happen in your generation even more. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's going to be bigger, more incredibly powerful. Now, the reason I say that is because it's what God told me is coming. I'm going to see it. I may be a part of some of it, not all of it. And the days you're going to experience are going to be dark days in the world. I mean, dark days in the world, very troublesome days in the world. You've got to understand that the 70s were days of trouble for the world. hijackings, Vietnam, all that. We don't see that today. If you compare the 70s to today, it's really quite peaceful out there. There's no Vietnam war going on. There's no riots in American universities and so on. These are not the days of civil rights and Martin Luther King and people getting killed on the streets of America. Less and less has happened and we're seeing more peace now in this country and the world really. But if you look at the conditions of America and the world, they seem to be a little more calm right now in comparison to the 70s. The 70s were years of incredible trials, Watergate, all that. Just go back to Lyndon Johnson, Vietnam and Nixon. It was turmoil, after turmoil hijacking by Palestinians and so on. The world doesn't have that, you know, doesn't have to worry about such things today. But in terms of great darkness and struggle, as we had, there was great light now. What is coming are days of darkness again, much worse, much worse than the 70s. Much worse than, you know, the Vietnam days, much worse than Watergate days, much worse than hijacking days. What is coming is going to be very frightening. And with that, a revival that will be greater than that. Look, light and darkness are equal. God raises the level of light as the level of darkness goes up. So the darker it is, the brighter it is. More darkness, more brightness as the way it goes. Because if we read the Bible properly, it says so. Great darkness, great light. If there's darkness, there's light. There's great darkness, there's great light. So in the days of the early, early church, was great persecution and what do we read? Great power. So God always matches it with this power. It's never more, it's equal, the amount. So what you're going to see in the coming years here is more trouble. More darkness, more demonic activity. The same amount of glory in the kingdom side, we're going to see great power. So that's why I tell you, you know, you are going to see incredible days coming. I believe with all of my heart that young people, like yourself, are going to preach with more revelation than I heard from Bob Mumford, Prince or Lone Cunningham or anyone else. You're going to speak with such incredible force and God is going to use you. What you will hear yourself, minister of the word that it will have to stop and say, this is God's doing. It's not something you would study. Happened to me in the early days. Many times I'd be ministering, speaking and I would stop and I wouldn't recognize the Lord took over my mouth, you know. So that's going to happen. The other thing that's going to happen is the signs and wonders would be greater. You know, we didn't see the dead raised, for example, on the scale you are. Yes, the dead were raised here and there. You know, you heard about it mostly outside America, mostly Africa, South America. We heard stories, Richard Rembrandt came to the catacombs telling us about the glory that God granted in Siberia to some of the prisoners who were in Siberia, who were pastors in prison for their faith, where the Lord numbed the hunger of one of the pastors who was placed in a hole, frozen hole in the ice in Siberia for three, four weeks and he was naked in the hole and the Soviets wanted to kill him with hunger and pain and when he came out they could not kill him and there was nails stuck out of the hole that if he would lean he would go into the nails and that their pastor stood straight and strong when they took him out of the hole. He wasn't even cold. He was warm and no hunger whatsoever was not in need of any water or any food or any warmth. The Lord protected him totally. So when he got back to the cell, Richard Rembrandt who was with him, Richard Rembrandt today is in heaven, I saw him, he ministered to me when I was a little kid, a young man I should say, 19 years old and I was so touched by his message and ministry and so you probably heard of the voice of the martyrs, that's his ministry and when his friend the other pastor got to the cell he told Richard what happened. Richard Rembrandt was amazed that the Lord fed him and covered him, supernaturally he didn't even want any food. He was not even hungry or posted. These are the kinds of things that will happen again. So God is going to raise the dead in your day and I think you need to get ready for it and take me very seriously. This is not just an empty thing here, you know, the Lord is going to do these things in your years. So I believe three things are coming. Number one, incredible numbers will be saved way more than in our day, way, way more. On the streets, in the malls, in open areas, schools, universities, all will be healed and I mean all will be healed. I'm going to ask you there, Ms. Coleman prophesied something like that. How close are we to that day, do you think? My opinion, within the next 10 years, and the reason I say it is because I'm watching very closely what's happening inside Israel, there's a revival inside Israel. And when you see Israel restored like they are now, spiritually reawakening, just a matter of time before God does it in the church, in glorious ways, you know, and the Lord is visiting Muslims today in the Arab world, you know, we've been hearing it for years and years about dreams and visions. So there's a reawakening in that part of the world specifically inside Israel that people don't hear about, but it's there and very tangible and that is a sign to us believers. Can you say what you told me about the young people who believe that Jesus is the Messiah? 21% of Jews, young Jews believe Jesus is Messiah, yes. So you're saying salvation like we've never seen before? Miracles. Miracles. But when it comes to miracles, all will be healed. All including unbelievers who come to those meetings will be healed. You know, Jesus didn't heal just believers. He healed unbelievers too, remember that. So he healed those who were in covenant and those outside the covenant. And you know, I'll never forget what Teal Osborn told me years ago. He said God heals his people because of his covenant, but those outside the church, he heals because of his mercy. I love that. Yeah. So, and the third thing that's going to happen is you are going to be trusted with more wealth in your hands than we've ever known as Christians. Now, can I be honest with you here? My generation, they look at anyone who's wealthy as they have this, it's a misconception really because I don't think people really read the scripture. They think that it's a negative thing and you look in movies or in culture, the wealthy are always synonymous with the villain. And that's something I really am hoping God will break that mindset. Oh, he's going to. He's going to. Because people don't realize we need it. The only reason for the wealth is the financing of the last move. You won't be able to do it without that. Okay. So let's talk about the book of Acts. God gave them wealth in Acts 4. Why? Why did they even ask for it? Why would Barnabas come? Why would others come and give money to the church of land they sold because it financed the move of God. They took care of the church in those days, in ways we're not doing today. They took care of widows, they took care of orphans, they fed and clothed and housed. Remember in Acts 6, when they came and said, hey, you're taking up the Jewish people who are local, you're neglecting the Jewish people who are outsiders, the Greeks. And so Peter said, okay, choose men. You take care of that. But it was a part of the church. That's a part of financing the needs of the community, the church community. And what we're going to see now is a new move where God will finance the coming move, not only in the church, but through the church to the world to evangelize. So you think about, you think about that wealth that came in Acts 4. That was at 4, not only to take care of the needy, but to evangelize, to travel. It wasn't for free, for Peter to go to Jaffa. He had people with him. When he went to Caesarea, six men went with him. Who took care of him? He did. What did they sleep? What did they eat on the way? The Lord himself, when his disciples, when he was in Galilee, and he said, well, let's feed them. We're going to take that much money. We don't have enough. But he knew that he would multiply that food. They had money. They thought about money. When he was in John 4, when he was on the way up to Galilee, and he came into Caesarea, and the woman at the well, you know the whole story, well, they went out to buy food, it says. The disciples were gone to go buy things they needed. Where did they get it from? It was supplied by women. In the book of Luke it says so. Who ministered unto him from their substance. So God took care of the needs for his own son, Paul the apostle. His needs were met mostly from the church in Philippi. And it's all throughout the Bible. And then when there was famine, Paul said, okay, to the Corinthians and Macedonians, I need an offering to take to Jerusalem, and we're going to send it in the hands of trusted men to the Holy Land. So, you know, financing the work of the kingdom is in the Bible. Was that something you had to work through in your day? Was there ever that, how do I put this, religious? Yes, it was. People were very... Absolutely. No, I didn't see it. And I didn't even understand it. I didn't see it in the way I do today. The mentality back then was, you know, you're not supposed to talk about it, to trust the Lord, you know, he fed the ravens and on that, he'll take care of you. But we never thought about financing, you know, the evangelistic move of God. We just didn't think about that. Money was a poverty mentality, and I think it limited the church in that day. Catherine used to criticize the full gospel businessmen for the way they took offerings. Why do they do that? Just trust God, you know. But that was the mentality of don't talk about it, don't say anything. So Oral changed all that, Oral Roth changed all that with the teaching he came with Seatam and Harvest. No, nobody thought about that before that, nobody. Or even thought it. I think they were all scared, and I was one of them. I would talk about money with fear and trembling in my meetings, hoping nobody would be offended, you know, keep it low key and just pass the bucket. Not much came because people were not taught, and so later on things had to change because you can't build a ministry without, you know, people standing by you. How shall they go unless they be sent? It was James Robinson, in my case, who bluntly told me something I didn't think he'd say to me. He said, Benny, you're crazy. He said that to me. You're crazy for not asking your people watching on TV to support you. Because when I began, I said publicly, I'll never send a letter. I'll never send your letter to ask for money. I'll never, you'll never get a piece of mail from me. And James said, you're crazy. You won't survive. I said, oh, I'm going to trust, because that was my mentality. I'm going to trust the Lord, you know, he'll take care of the ministry. And suddenly, you know, I think, wow, you know, we're needing today 100,000 tomorrow, another 100,000 for TV. When Paul crouch, when we went on TVN at the beginning, Paul said, OK, I'll put you on free and then pay me when the money comes. Well, I'm thinking the manager's going to come by itself, you know. I got on camera one day, he said, well, you know, help me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and people did, but not much. People aren't going to do anything until they get a piece of mail in their home. So it was James Robertson who said to me, what are you doing? I said, well, you know, I'm not paying for my airtime. And then things change when Paul said, time to pay. Yeah, time to pay. Well, time to pay means you better pay. So you've experienced both sides, and you can testify that. People don't realize that. You can do more for the gospel when there are resources in your hand. And that's what it's about, the gospel. It's all about the gospel, because if you see you well, then that's not biblical. You have to see why are you asking people to give to the Lord's work? Paul the apostle, why did he ask people, why did he ask the church in Corinth to give to help the saints in Jerusalem? Why would he say, now I'm going to come see you, but you will pay my way to Rome, to the church in Corinth. Through you, by you, I'm going to keep traveling. You were saying, bluntly, you're going to take out of my expenses. So all that had to change in me. And I believe that your generation is going to see Luke 638 really fulfilled. We haven't. We've only preached it. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it. Shall we go around? You've got the measure pressed down. I have not seen it. I've preached it. I've read it. I've talked about it. I have not seen it. To be raw, I have not seen that promise fulfilled in my lifetime. You will see it. What are you going to see? Abundance we haven't seen because the last day harvest will be massive, massive. So sweeping in of souls globally, miracles all will be healed globally. And then you're talking about a wealth coming to the church. For the purpose. To finance that. Finance the gospel. No. To finance what you just mentioned. Yeah. Must be financed. Miracles must be financed. And you mean by that? Well, that God has to give you the wealth to finance it. As far as taking the message out there, getting the outreaches out there. You've got to back it up. Support it. How do we as the people of God now doing what we do, position ourselves for what God is going to do? Because I don't want to miss it. I want to be a part of what he's doing. How do we do that? That is very important what you asked. And I think there's only one way I know to do it. Prepare by spending time in the world and with the Lord. There is no other way. There's no shortcuts. They recognize they had been with Jesus as description. You must spend time with the Lord. You have to. The only way to prepare is in His presence. As the scriptures fill your heart. And the Bible is the most amazing, oh, nourishment to the Spirit. I mean, nourish your spirit with all of God and watch what God will do with that. But don't read the Bible for mental reasons. Don't even read the Bible for educational reasons. Don't even read the Bible for knowledge, mentally. Read the Bible so God can speak to you. Get to know His thoughts. Get to know His mind. Get to know His nature. Look beyond the written letter. Look and see what does it say about God? What does it reveal about God? What does that word say about God? Like the depth of God. It's the Father's will to give you the kingdom. You look at that word, it's power. It's not the word. It's what it says about God, that it's His pleasure. It's His, the being of God, the very pleasure comes out in that word, the very desire of God. It means way more than desire. It's what does it say about God? So I'm not, I'm not reading for God, so love the world, which I've read many times. So have you. We know it about. What does it say about God's heart? It just captures you. Jesus looking at the woman saying, neither do I condemn thee. Oh, just a minute. In the Lord it says she needs to die. Now you're looking at the heart of the master. He who is without sin, fulfill the law, come on, kill her, throw that rock. When he looks at her and says, where are they? Where are your users? His heart can come out through those words. Where are they? And then he says, I don't condemn you. The whole nature of Jesus comes out in those words. So we focus on the words. God wants us to focus on His heart behind the word. So when you read the Bible, look at why we say that. What's behind it? The whole message is love. Like when I read, you know, when I read the old cover and I see all the details, blah, blah, blah. Okay. If there's leprosy on your walls, now you do this and you do that and change this and change that and then go back seven days later. What's behind it? Pure love. Pure love. That He so cares. So cares. You know, Jack Heavitt sat here in the studio crying one day, looking at the clips from the Crusades. And all he could say in tears and sobbing, oh, look how he loves his people. Look how he loves his people. What are looking like? Yay, the miracles! And Jack Heavitt, look how he loves his people. That man was seeing beyond the miracles. We have to see beyond the letter now. Look at the heart of Jesus in all this. That's how you prepare. That's powerful. The only way you prepare for the coming. And I really am encouraged by what you're saying. And I know that as you were talking, there was a hunger stirred people watching and they want to be a part of that. They want what your generation experienced. We want that for us. It'll be greater. Even more so. What I want you to do is I want you to just take a moment and pray for them watching who's just, their hunger is being stirred right now. Father in the name, it's above every name, your son Jesus, who's exalted above the heavens. I pray and I believe that everyone watching, Lord and listening, will be used in the coming days, weeks and months. Lord, I don't believe this will happen. Years from now, I believe it's almost upon us, the hour is here. Use them mightily, prepare them gloriously, anoint them with intensity in the mighty name of Jesus, your son, that your will and purpose will be accomplished in their life, in the church and on earth, in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Amen. Why this has been precious. Well, thank you. Let's do it again. Yes, please. I was going to say the same thing. You didn't tell me when. I'll come. Okay. Thank you for doing it, Pastor Benny. Love you. I love it. Well. Support him. Support him. He's a fresh voice from heaven. Thank you for watching Encounter TV. 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