 Welcome to Think Tech on Spectrum OC16, Hawaii's weekly newscast on things in matter-of-tech and Hawaii. I'm Jay Fidel. And I'm Helen Dora Hayden. In our show this time, we'll review the top five Think Tech talk shows and the staff pick from a week ago. We'll check out the elements of the best of the best and get a handle on the coverage involved. Think Tech produces some 30 talk shows every week in its downtown studio. Here's what the studio looks like. And here's a list of all our incredible Think Tech hosts. Every week, Think Tech chooses its top five Think Tech talk shows from the week before based on the number of views each of them had on the internet. For this past week, the winning shows were swallows. Number one from the series called Bigotry in America, in a show entitled The Incident in Davis, California. With host Jay Fidel, that's me, and guest Gail Rubin, a retired attorney in California, and Shereem Kedosi, a Muslim journalist in California. Amir Shaheen from the Islamic Center of Davis gave a one-hour sermon on calling for the apocalypse against the Jews. And this is not just in Davis. This is elsewhere. This has happened at least two other times around the same time frame in California. He gave a one-hour speech. The mosque defended him. They put out a statement in defense of him. And after one week of pressure, including launching a petition, including getting the support of local elected officials like Brad Sherman, getting a bit of media coverage, the community finally came forward and he apologized for his statement. But when he apologized, he had the entire interfaith community used as props behind him. And the apology, which I use very generously in quotes, was pretty much a statement about how he's been a model for the community. But his one-hour speech is really indicative of where he stands in the interfaith community and where he stands as a Muslim and where he stands as an American Muslim right now in the landscape, which is very charged politically and on racial lines and religious lines. This is unacceptable in my eyes. Yes. Well, what did he say? What are the words? What are the thoughts that he expressed in that speech? The general language that these individuals have in the let-gale attitude to have covered this with other imams that have toured in Europe, that these imams travel from country to country, and we have them homegrown here, their language and their rhetoric is very apocalyptic. And I use that full knowledge of what that means. That means that there will never be peace for Muslims until Muslims fight with the Jews, that the last day we'll call on Muslims fighting with the Jews, and that until we get to that point, there will be no resolution, whether it's in Palestine, which is the issue that kicked off his sermons, whether it is Muslims living abroad and elsewhere in other parts of the world. And so it's very violent, it's very hateful, it's completely anti-Semitic, but I would go further than anti-Semitism. I would say it's full out, Jew Hatred. So he spoke two Fridays in a row, Friday, July 14th and again on the 21st. And he repeated essentially from the same hadith. And before I quote it, it's important to know that this hadith is also incorporated into the Hamas Charter. Hamas, as we know, is a designated terrorist organization that seeks the utter destruction and annihilation of the Jewish state. So these are the same words. And I quote, he quoted, O Allah, he's invoking the name of God to liberate us from the filth of the Jews. O Allah, show us the wonders of your ability that you inflict upon them. Show us the black day and count them one by one and destroy them down to the very last one. Do not spare any of them, do destroy them and do not spare their young or their elderly. O Allah, turn Jerusalem and Palestine into a graveyard for the Jews. Now I think all people of good faith and good will would agree that this kind of language does not belong in any civilized society and most of all not in a house of worship. And the fact that he has misappropriated a house of worship to utter these despicable, murderous words, we should all be outraged. And I am a Jew, an American Jew, and I live a mile away from this mosque. And this mosque is also located directly across the street from the University of California at Davis. And a large percentage of students that you see Davis attend this mosque. That should be of concern to everybody, why? Because now, if students are inclined to become radicalized, of course we know the internet is a large source. All they have to do is walk across the street and listen to Imam Shaheen. Number two from the series called Habachi Talk, in a show entitled Going to My Chiropractor with Gordon Bruce and guest Dr. Tanaki Berman. My specialty is all of physical medicine and exercise and how they interact to, not everybody does both with me, but I always have the PT and the personal training exercise tools to help people, that's what they really need to stabilize their adjustments. So very, very synergistic, you know, basically if you get the person all aligned, well don't you want to back that up with some specific exercise to stabilize you there so that, you know, I don't want to just keep fixing the same thing, you know, I want to teach you how to prevent things in the future. Balance. Yes, and you know performance enhancement for athletes, there's a lot of ways it goes, but you know, you can't tell people what to do, what I prefer to, you know, have it be synergistic where the patient is helping themselves and they're doing their exercises as well. You know, you don't have to, but like I said, it's a very good combination. It's the kind of combination of the three. So let's talk about one of the questions that I have is like, and I have two, but the first one I'm going to ask is, how has technology changed your patients? I mean, you know, we're a lot different now when we're coming to see you. So because you have technology to help you with the insistence and treatment, but how have we changed how you react to us? Okay, well, what, you know, this is something I've been thinking about how, because I get frustrated, it used to be pretty simple. You show a patient, this is how you need to set up your workstation. You know, in the past, I've gone into companies and done lectures on this, you know, to avoid work comp, you know, and some of it's so simple. But now it's like, well, why is your monitor, if you're sitting here, why is your monitor over there? Well, because that's where the outlet is. That's where the cables are. So in other words, all the workstations are getting set up to accommodate the technology rather than the actual person who's working. And one of the, I mean, there's a lot of problems with this. Like I said, a lot of people are working at right angles to their monitor, which is insane, absolutely insane. But the other phenomenon that happens, and this is a recent study on back pain, you know, like what can we do to prevent back pain in the workplace? Where is it coming from? Okay, well, the obvious is people that are repetitively bending over and lifting, right? You know, physical jobs where you lift a lot of things in front of you. But equally now, the problem is what's called creep. You sit, you don't get up, and the ligaments supporting your spine literally stretch out like old elastic. And you lose. Number three from the series called Perspectives on Global Justice. In a show entitled Don't Panic, Be Prepared with host Beatrice Cantelmo and guests Robin Lewis and Gordon Bruce. With the 2011 earthquake and tsunami and the Fukushima nuclear crisis, we saw that, you know, no system is lawless. You know, there are always areas of weakness. And, you know, in the case of the tsunami, you know, unfortunately, you know, we learned it or the people who were affected learned the hard ways, as you mentioned. And so what we saw was, you know, the government buildings and several government services were actually affected themselves. So, you know, if you go to the coastal areas, which were hit hardest by the tsunami, several of the government agencies and the local authorities were unable to respond or severely hampered in their response. And so, you know, in many ways, especially right in the beginning, the emphasis in many ways was on the community and the people themselves. So, you know, I think one of the big lessons is, you know, yes, the government is there and yes, they are well, very well prepared. But that doesn't always mean that you can rely 100% on the government. You know, we as citizens have to be ready and have to have a plan for ourselves as well. That's one of the key lessons. And I think another lesson was that, you know, it's too late to have conversations after the fact, after earthquakes happen. We need to be having conversations and building strategic partnerships, you know, between government, between the private sector, between NGOs. And well before these things happen, that when they happen, we are in a good position to respond. We have a household level Desire to Preparedness Training Program, which essentially targets families. So we found that, you know, if you're at work, there's usually some kind of plan at the workplace. If you're at school, the school should have an emergency response plan. But if you're at home or if you're all, you know, if you're scattered, if your loved ones are scattered, then there's a real problem because there's no synchronized plan. So we thought, you know, why don't we target family and help them make their own disaster plan so that when something happens, they know exactly where to go. Number four from the series called On the Street, in a show entitled Hawaii's Feral Cat Problem, is killing cats the solution with host Carol Cox and a number of guests on the street. I'm down here at 4th Street Mall, Think Tech, Hawaii. And we're just asking people along the way about these proposed rules that the governor is considering allowing the Doe Bar, the Department of Boating and Recreation, DLNR to actually shoot cats, kill them in any manner that they desire. It's pretty horrible. Yeah? Yeah, that seems extremely inhumane and immoral. Are you a cat owner or a pet owner? Pet owner, not cat. I have a dog. Yeah, this is the concern that they want to sign this bill, want the governor to sign this bill and be able to just shoot, poison, trap, euthanize anything. Oh, that just sounds completely awful. Wow, I can't believe that they would propose such a thing. A reason, I mean, aren't there stuff where you can get animals off the streets and put them in like a project, yeah, shelters. And then if no one wants them, then do what we've been doing for years by putting them to sleep if nobody wants to adopt them or take care of them. So you would vote on the side of... It's inhumane in a certain way. It's like if you don't want us shooting people on the streets, why are you going to go and shoot a living thing? It's also, I mean, I guess we hunt also like deer or whatever, but I mean, it's kind of wrong. Well, I think they should issue permits to the hunters. Yeah, and not do the random killing. Not just randomly kill them. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And not let the animals rot, I think that's part of the controversy. No, I don't think they should just be able to go free range hunting cats. I think there's a better alternative. What would you suggest to them to do? I don't know what they do now. But I don't know if there's any kind of group or coalition that goes around and, you know, cages them or someone who would, you know, like the human side of you, you can call them. I don't agree with that. I have three cats myself and they were all, they're all feral. I got them fixed through Popoki and, you know, there's ways to get them fixed. Where you don't have to spend, yeah, poydogs in Popoki and they fixed my cats and they're happy cats now. So I mean, they're still living, they're still living, you know, animals that we have to take care of. And I don't agree in shooting them to get rid of them, but I think we have to take care of the problem of them multiplying by taking them to those nonprofit organizations like Poydog and Popoki and everybody do their part to take care of the matter that way. Well, I think there needs to be humanity with us. So they need to be, I'm not in favor of just shooting animals. Number five from the series called Where the Drone Leads in a show entitled The Spreading Tapestry of Dronism, with Ted Rawlston and guest John Franklin. So the matchmaking function within the electronics is okay on high density. It's not going to bother it. I don't think so. I mean, to be honest, in arm testing, we tend to be pilot limited and I haven't been able to put up 15 at a time. You know, that's editorially but offline, that whole subject of pilot limitations is certainly a big factor in what we are here call the workforce development aspect of education. We don't have enough drone pilots to serve the commercial industry if they ask for one more person. And we're using airline pilots and this sort of thing and reprocessing them in this domain and together we have to come up with an educational framework that will produce educated people and train people, certified people in the world of flying and the world of design in the world of counter drone. So it's a really exciting time getting your 107 and actually flying a mission successful mission. Yeah. 107 has its own downsides that are subject to yet another discussion called liability. But in any case, talk about the company. What else you make besides the electronic detection systems? So we started life as a passive acoustic detection company. So we've always been a counter drone business but about two, three years ago we were using microphones to do it and microphones are actually an interesting way to do it. I can't tell you how many times, like for example in my story when I was on vacation, the first thing I do is I hear it. I don't see it and maybe it's just I've been doing this so long that I've tuned into that but without a doubt I'm going to hear it before I see it. We also have a staff pick. This time it was from the series called Law Across the Sea in a show entitled All the Worlds of State and All the Men and Women Merely Lawyers with host Mark Shlove and his guest, Attorney Alan Ma. Well, being an immigrant and I and of course I also speak three different dialects of Chinese and I was very involved in the Chinese community and I saw a lot of people they really needed help and they couldn't command English and they didn't understand American law and often because of their ignorance and they put themselves in difficult positions. So that kind of motivated me to become a lawyer, to be able to help some of those people in the immigrant community. And you saw these problems as you were growing up here in Hawaii after you arrived. That's correct. Okay. And that kind of inspired you, is what I'm hearing, to look towards the law, look to a way to help people. That's correct. So, okay. So what happened next in your life? You went to law school and you were here in Hawaii but you went away to law school. Right. Well, I was very fortunate. I was awarded this national scholarship called CLEO, essentially Congress and at least in those days they select about 250 students nationwide to receive scholarship to have a special assistant for them to go to law school. But those scholarship recipients must commit to going back to their own state. In my case, I came back to Hawaii in part because I received a scholarship and my commitment was to help the people in Hawaii. And so after I concluded my legal education, I came back to Hawaii to work. The scholarship sounds like a pretty good deal, pretty good idea. Is it still going on? I believe it is. And I believe the program is still going on. Okay. So, all right. You got the scholarship, you finished law school then. What happened in your career? Where did you, you had this feeling about the immigration law? Where did that take you? Of course, when I started looking for jobs and I knocked on doors at that time and all the prominent immigration law firms or lawyers and I came across my then employer who became my mentor and subsequently my law partner, Mr. Ronald Odenberg. If you weren't able to write these links down, you can always find them in our daily email advisory. If you don't get our daily email advisory, you can sign up to get them on thinktechhawaii.com. These are only samplings from the top five in the staff pick from our 30 weekly talk shows. There are of course many more. To see these shows in their entirety, go to thinktechhawaii.com or youtube.com slash thinktechhawaii. Great diversity, great community coverage and great content at ThinkTech. Yep, every day better. And now let's check out our ThinkTech schedule of events going forward. ThinkTech broadcasts its talk shows live on the internet from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays. 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There's a very famous saying by Confucius, the man who moves a mountain begins by carrying away small stones. I often wonder if I have what it takes to finish what I had started. I'm sure you have heard the expression making mountains out of molehills. Well, let's see if we can make sense of moving mountains. Whether it's your body or your mind that is forced to ask the question, can I do it? Let's try to move that mountain. How did we get here? The road to this mountain of reflection is long and arduous. All we are doing is living our life and face the pressures of doing the best we can, right? In life, we all tackle mountains that test both our mental and physical strength. To do that, and to do it well, we have to move a lot of small stones, endure pain, jump over barriers, break ceilings, work hard for hours, and deal with discouragement. The key is to clear your head and process your situation. We have to weigh the pros and cons and dig deep for some answers. 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