 So how do you think we get around this kind of like it's kind of related to an anti-rational thing and I guess it's it's related to tribalism because so so in 2016 obviously we have the US election and Everyone loves to see kind of you know lip-tarts lose the election and so on and so you know even though I know Trump is a bad guy I know he's anti-rational. I know his policies are bad But but his victory makes me feel successful because we've beaten we've beaten the liberals like how do we get past that? How do we yeah first of all hard right? Yeah, because I mean like I feel like I'm at least like somewhat enlightened and I read I'm right I understand her philosophy a bit, but still I have that tribal mentality of like I'm happy Trump won Yeah, I said two days one don't call it liberals liberal is way too good of a word for them Like liberal means pro-liberty liberal historically mean pro-liberty So liberals in every tradition except the American tradition means good guys And now we have to call you know people call themselves classical liberals to differentiate because we so I wouldn't call them liberals They're leftist that progressives that even progressive I hate because progressives your progress and they're not for progress. They're anti-progress. So I would just call them lefties You know leftist I mean I Was very mixed during the election right so because I in the one hand I was happy Hillary lost But I was sad Trump won So I was torn in the one hand I was watching CNN during the election night and watching them all cry and go Yes And then I was watching Fox and watching them all Run and be sad that they were all right, so I was completely torn apart But But what you really you know tribalism has a real hook into us It's really hard to ban it because we're raised very much on this idea and tribalism is also the lazy solution, right? It's When you don't think for yourself, it's easy to Let the group do the thinking for you of course group has to have a leader to do thinking for you It's easy to associate yourself with a group and then whatever the group you feel comfortable in the group It's it's calm. You know, it's like having a group of friends over You know, you don't have to think too much for yourself to just follow them So tribalism is Appealing if you're lazy If you're lazy if you tell actually ladies right it's very appealing because you don't have to think through all the problems So look a lot of the issues are complex They're not simple particularly in the world in which we live right if we lived in a purely capitalist society Life would be a lot easier decisions would be a lot easier But when we lived in this mixed world with people with mixed motivations and mixed moral characters and and and mixture Good positions and bad positions. It's hard to subtly think through every issue out there and I Think it's much easier in a sense. Okay. I'm just you know, whatever. I'm just on the right I just hate those guys. So whatever is the opposite of those guys. I'm full Well, but it doesn't work that way because the world doesn't divide itself into What they believe in the opposite of it And then I meet and usually is a third of what's good to the two present So tribalism is is is appealing and of course There are kinds of tribalism the most primitive form of tribalism which unfortunately was seen Rise up in the world right now is ethnic tribalism racism of different format So I'm gonna I'm gonna associate with people look like me I'm gonna associate with people who have the same color skin as me or from the same tribe real tribe That's why it's called tribalism right because the real tribe and you see that you see that particularly in Europe these days But you're even seeing in the United States now unfortunately You know, we only associate with people who look like us and it's easy that way Because people who look like us. Yeah, they must think like us and they must know and and we can trust them And you know, we don't have to we don't have to be shocked by things that are different and unusual and strange So everything's comfortable. It's very emotionally pleasing Well, it isn't but for them if you get a few to little easy, it's very emotional pleasing to me as emotionally horrific But but there are other kinds of tribes so what tribe is political party I'm just I hate the left time on the right and if I think the left does I'm opposed to it or All other forms of tribalism, you know, we're American American therefore the Chinese they look different from us and you know, they put tariffs on us That much first out so you know, hood down, right? So so anything that would stand. That's good. I'm for that, right? So that's a tribe. That's a tribalistic attitude tribalistic mentality, you know, America anything that's so called American is good. Anything that's outside of America is bad. I only drive American cars by America, right? and that tribalism I have to say is the saddest of all tribals Because America is the first country and really the only country in human history To be founded on the opposite idea America's found an idea that you're an individual and you should live for yourself your own pursuit of happiness And it's not what America wants. It's what you want to know and America's they just to protect you and to make your freedom And if you want to buy stuff from China or Korea or Japan or Germany or whatever, that's your business Nobody should tell you what you can kind of do what to buy or what not to buy And that made in America means nothing. The only important thing is what you want when it's consistent with your values And there's no such thing if you're an individualist. There's no such thing as an American job There's no such thing as a Korean job There's just a job for an individual and if somebody else can beat some away Then you don't have the job anymore and it doesn't matter if the person competing you away lives 5,000 miles away in a different continent or lives next door to you. It's competition It's your job to get better. It's your job to do a better job It doesn't even matter if that guy competing with you 5,000 miles away is getting a subsidy You might not like it That's Your responsibility is your life and to do the best that you can with your life right not as an American but as an individual and America's a great country because what's a great country is a great country because it protects Those right to protect your ability to live as an individual but not because it makes good cars Not because it's farmers are good. Who cares? You buy the best food that was delicious food the best cars the cheapest cars that what what is considered your value? So we've seen this shift to tribalism And it's very sad particularly in America because in the rest of the world to some extent it's always been There's never had this shift and it's gonna be hard to combat because Individualism requires effort Individualism required work It requires you to judge it requires you to value it requires you to pursue your values as an individual Not to accept what the group says not to accept what your neighbor says not accept what people look like you say But to make decisions for yourself to use your reason To make decisions and then act on those decisions in pursuit of what you think is right for you What's good for you? It means engaging that reason It means really being rational and consistently rational and that's work And that requires effort and too many people today Either lazy or be taught Not to use their mind or the best just not taught how to use them up You know so many young people in America the educational system in America such that students have taught much more about emotions Than they are about thinking Thinking skills critical thinking skills are not developed That's why you get students now wanting safe spaces because somebody might say something that offend them But but if you're a thinker if you're a critical thinker that somebody says something false to you, then you say, oh, that's false It doesn't offend you Somebody says something that is negative towards you get well, that's stupid, you know, so what? But that's a thinking approach, right? But if you're emoting somebody says something to offend you, oh, I feel bad that's wrong because I feel bad My feelings are the standard my emotions are the standard of what's good and what's bad. It's right and what's wrong And if imagine if you undercut reason Tribalism will always follow tribalism is is is what you get when when you Undercut people's capacity to think critically for themselves. They're looking for comfort They're looking for somebody to tell them what to do And usually that's the group or that's the leader who's going to tell them what to do The world's moving towards tribalism, which means the world is moving towards authoritarianism Which is where what we're seeing in europe and in the united states and in china and and i think also What we need today what i call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think Meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason By the intellect not by feelings wishes wins or mystic revelations Any man or woman who values his life and who does not Want to give in to today's cult of despair cynicism and impotence And does not intend to give up the world To the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist If you enjoy the show if if you on regularly and you get value from what I do then I'd appreciate support to Make this show possible and to keep it going and to We will get on a much more regular schedule starting in october and we will be doing a lot more shows Starting in october i'm going to be traveling a lot less next year And and through the fourth quarter of this year So once i'm traveling less we'll get a lot more shows So i'm hoping that you guys will consider supporting the show you can support it through still through patreon You can support it through subscribe star dot com and you can support it on my website you're on bookshow Dot com slash support. 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