 Today's episode of the Anthony Anderson show is brought to you by mount gox.com. That's mtgox.com and us gold coins.com. That's 1 800 hot coin and Mezzie grill.com. That's m e z e grill.com Alright everyone. Thank you so much for coming. My name is Anthony Anderson here coming live from New York City I'm here with two very important guests Harley and freely otherwise known as durian rider and freely What's your real name? Mystery that's cool. That's cool. And luckily enough they've come to New York for the Woodstock Fruit Festival and making some other appearances and And you guys have graced me with your presence. It's really cool to be able to talk and thanks for having us Yeah, it's really cool. It's really cool. So what brings you to New York besides? Yeah, just tell me what brings you to New York? What's up? mainly the Woodstock Fruit Festival That's the main thing. So which camera we looking? Oh, you know, you know, we just hang out Woodstock Fruit Festival is what we're going for. Yeah, and then they're doing a few talks in the meantime and hanging out Okay, check out New York City. Yeah, great. We love it. Yeah, you like it. Yeah, what do you like especially? I think just the availability of fruit. Yeah Yeah, like in Whole Foods is so amazing. Yeah, we don't have it in Australia. So yeah, yeah, it's really cool What about you? I love the training here I did a 200 kilometer bike ride Which has been my first big 200 kilometer bike ride in the city, you know, I can't do that anywhere else in the world really Yeah, I did 100 miles in the Central Park and then I did 20 kilometers to get there and 20 kilometers to get home Yeah, it's incredible like so and I've always had cycles around me. I was talking to people when everyone's really friendly I found New York was very friendly Despite what you know, common belief is back home or whatever. Yeah, everyone's so like asked for directions Yeah, if you talk to other cyclists or runners, they just really friendly very outgoing here Yeah, people are it's funny because there's all this misconception about New York I think it's from TV or the movies. Yeah, what I realize is most people that live here now aren't from here So we've all been newcomers and we want to just you know, like help each other and people are very helpful Yeah, they're really good. There's really good energy here. Yeah, yeah, especially in the summertime when everyone's yeah, maybe Stephen and Nicole Baby, I don't know it depends if people are in a rush, you know, but they're always very happy to help. Yeah Have you been down to Chinatown yet? Yeah. Yeah, okay It's pretty good. Yeah, it's like Thailand. Yeah, really is it's amazing. It's the fresh durian and some other stuff But yeah, it's still pretty good. Yeah, the prices are a little different, but you know, I still would still cheap in Australia Yeah What have you noticed in Australia because there was the the big rain coming in and did that affect prices? Yeah, because we grow the majority of fruit local in Australia, which is sort of good in one way But if you have a big crisis environmental crisis So we this year we had hardly any grapes. This is organic how do any grapes hardly any mangoes Which is virtually you couldn't get an organic mango you couldn't get an organic mango in last December in Adelaide in South Australia you couldn't get an organic mango and if you could the year before ten dollars each Yeah, so it's $10 each for a man go. Yeah organic mango and I'll help. Oh, no guaranteed. It's gonna be good quality But bananas and now bananas are $20 a kilo. So it's about $11 US a pound. Okay. Yeah, Trader Joe's You know the dollar a pound. Yeah, 80 cents a pound I bought 80 pounds of organic bananas the other day and carry them through the New York subway I'm a sack trolley 80 pounds of bananas cost me $60 US and in Australia that cost me $880 US So we can we want to move here. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't see why not until the banana crosses goes back back home Until the snow comes here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're all right. Which part of Australia are you from? We do a lot of travel, but generally South Australia. Okay, go there for summer. It's really nice in summer. Okay Okay, yeah, yeah for all the American viewers and yeah, the Gold Coast love it Okay, so if it's paradise, yeah, like Adelaide and that's up. Is Adelaide up north Adelaide's down south down What is it all Kansas up north Adelaide's down south. It's sort of very it's got a climate similar to LA Okay, winter's pretty mild. Summer's really hot. It's pretty good. Yeah, do you make it over to Perth at all? Yeah, yeah, I was born in Perth and I've cycled from Perth to Sydney She's like from Perth to Cairns. They're personally nice. Yeah, but for fruit and healthy living Adelaide's really good Uh-huh. So is Byron Bay, Brisbane. Yeah, yeah, good areas as well Byron Bay, Brisbane Okay, and get some good. It's got some good local markets in Byron Bay. Yeah, and Byron Bay wasn't affected by the storms, so Okay season for fruit. Cool. Yeah, but now it's pretty cheap, so. Okay, cool Starting with you. How did you get into the conscious eating from you know, where did you start? Like, did you grow up in a regular household like most of us? I grew up on a farm actually Wow. Yeah, we always had heaps of organic fruits and vegetables. Oh, wow We also killed animals as well like we had chickens, you know Decapitating chickens everywhere and eating them and that always, you know, right upset me, right? But my mom was always in the conscious eating. Okay, and she tried her best to feed us what she thought was healthy Mm-hmm, and you know it was better because it was unprocessed a lot of whole food Mm-hmm, but it's still, you know, I still had problems It still had bad skin and I was you know struggling with my weight and everything like that and and then I came to Sydney and I was I was pretty toxic when I got to Sydney and I became even more toxic because I started taking drugs Mm-hmm, so I was taking like cocaine and ecstasy and all sorts of damaging drugs. Sure I got into yoga and my yoga teacher. She was a vegan. She was really vibrant and she recommended that I get a juicer Mm-hmm juicer. I got came with a raw food Recipe book had raw meat in there and stuff and I was a bit. Oh wow. That's random. Yeah, it was. Yeah Like and that fully just like freaked me out at the time, but I didn't go there, but I tried to do raw food Back in 2000 for a couple of weeks and I just didn't know how to do it properly. Oh, yeah Yeah, so fell off the wagon. Yeah fast forward about six years and I Think it is. Yeah, David warf actually, you know one of his books Sunfood success diet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I read that and you know watch a few videos and got on the raw food comm website Oh, yeah. Yeah, and just like I just thought I found the holy grail. Sure. You know what I mean? Like I was I was suffering such bad health, you know, I was overweight had chronic digestive problems Acne all over my face and my chest and my shoulders and wow Fatigue yeah, and what was your diet like at that point? at that point it was High in cheese goat's cheese. I was really really yeah to the goat's cheese Meat I would binge out on sometimes. I need a whole chicken a day. Sure. I actually that was quite often Yeah, whole chicken a day. Yeah. Yeah, and and the body wasn't happy. It was not happy Really needed to lighten the load. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And I did you know, I got into it and found dr. Graham, right found Harley on Raw pleasure. It's called raw pleasure.com.au in Australian raw food website Uh-huh, and he was on there saying all you people got to eat more fruit Like five years ago. Yeah, yeah, five and a half years ago, and you know, I started implementing the diet and Yeah, the results just kept coming incoming Have a look back. Mm-hmm. I did have one fall off the wagon for a month and I felt terrible And I knew, you know, like, you know what we were saying before like once the truth You know, once you hear the truth, you can never really. Yeah, you change forever. Yeah You know, and I knew the truth. It was just simple eating. Mm-hmm simple unprocessed food Yeah, what what convinced you to go vegan from growing up on the farm? Well, was it gradual or was there like a like a something about a month? Oh, that's pretty fast from yeah From eating full on actually the biggest thing was I went to the Greek Islands with a few friends and I completely Just hammered myself with euros. You know those euros. Oh, yeah, they put chips in and they put that cut meat Yeah, it's really greasy. Yeah, I was having them all the time like twice a day And yeah, I felt completely toxic when I came home And you know when you you've got a sort of hit rock bottom sometimes Before you make a real change in your life, and I was there. I was at rock bottom. Yeah, and Within a month of coming back. I gave up meat and went raw vegan. Okay. Yeah, pretty much straight away Yeah, it just felt right. Yeah. Yeah, I was desperate to feel better and Greece was like four years ago five years ago It was 2006. Okay. Yeah. Okay, cool. And how about you? Basically, I was the kid at school who's really sick and I was a kid at school who was always absent from sickness And I was always I was a kid at school who on sports day would be picked last Mm-hmm. If it's like a Harley you can come on our team. I'm like was no one else but me anyway So I was and I was gonna have more energy. I always want to be one of the kids But I couldn't I was sick asthma Digestive problems, which later on we found out was Crohn's disease. Oh, wow Whenever we have a teenager to acne and so I didn't really feel good. Yeah, and then I went to a left school. I started writing my bike around So down the driver's license. I couldn't afford a car and I'm 34 now. I still don't have a driver's license So I just love the bike so using a bike for transport inspired me to Start eating better and I started hanging out with cyclists And they started you know telling me about better eating and having done all this was bad Yeah, things like that and so I started training more sort of feeling better eating more carbohydrates less fat more plants less animals But it still wasn't enough and eventually I'd really got chronic fatigue pretty heavily and I was Struggling and a friend of mine mentioned word vegetarian and I was like vegetarian. That's that's crazy It's before I'm I feel so crap. I'll give it a go and I've got rid of all the meat and fish Overnight when vegetarian for a week start for really good I've got about dairy products and how they can congest your lungs and Effect your Crohn's disease and for a cow. I'll give it a go And if it doesn't work, I can always go back and it worked and that was April 2001. I've been vegan since okay Wow ten years now. Yeah, and then about a year later. I've gone to raw foods and I've always been like fruit and everyone likes fruit. Yeah, and then I just started incorporating more raw foods I can have fruit for breakfast and lunch and things like that and it takes me to a room today. It's full-blown bananas Here's the king banana muncher And and now like I've run marathons. I've cycled over a hundred ninety thousand kilometers as a vegan And I just rode my bike here and you know people try and keep up and they're trying to race here And it's like man, you know chance and it's so good for the ego But uh, you know, it's it's good fun. I feel so fit now. You know, I mean like yeah, it's awesome I was a sick kid now. I'm just like when Lance Armstrong's in town I'll hook up for a ride with him keep all these guys. No worries You know be a tour guide for the day keep up with anybody on a bike in training situation Mm-hmm, so and that feels good I feel it's good to be able to get on my bike and just ride across the country mm-hmm 2006 a road from Seattle to LA I've ridden from Perth to do the cat York in Australia. I've ridden Singapore to Cambodia and it's I don't feel like I'm going to my reserves anymore I feel like I'm just you know in third year and I can just click it up into six and keep on cruising Oh, it was good. I have a greater participation in my daily reality So no, I'm having a good time and I don't have chronic disease. I don't have chronic fatigue. I don't have asthma Except when I'm sleeping with a cat in my face Like all my issues are just Taking care of uh-huh, so and I've worked out. It's not just about diet. It's all about lifestyle Totally early nights or lately. I've had some late nights just being on the computer and you know catching up with people So I've had late nights and a slot lifestyle. It's about your diet and your lifestyle sleep water Yeah, exercise fun in the sun emotional poise things like that. Yeah contribute contribution Mm-hmm. So what's the water like? How do you do? I mean, is there a specific water you prefer or other? I prefer a spring water like we just we just drink it with your hands. Yeah, you're first-class touch. That's the best Yeah, but uh, if I can't get that then I'll drink anything. Yeah, I do well I was doing 200 kilometers every day in New York City. I stopped at Central Park and fill my boat Bottle up with water from the public fountain. I let to sit there for a few minutes and so the chlorine can evaporate Yeah, I don't if you knew that but if you yeah open water chlorine gets out, right? So I'll drink any water I can get with the ideal of the best quality I remember well, we went for that run and I was like Like I held off because I don't I still get scared of the fountain water now. That's fine. You know, whatever It's yeah, but you're you're right, you know dehydration socks and it can be pretty unhealthy And it can take a week to recover or more. Yeah, and dehydration can take days weeks months or even years to really catch up on us Uh-huh. It's a serious about our housemaid Veronica. She died in 2009 Dehydration doing a dry fast water fast and Then drink enough water. I mean if she drank mud water, she would be like today. Yeah, so it's I'm into good quality water But I'm not into dehydration so I'll drink whatever I can get. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah Wow, that's cool. Let me think here. So as far as your diet now, is there any kind of like favorite fruits? What kind of fat sources do you eat if any? durian Any coconuts? Yeah, yeah, we have overt fats. Yeah, you know like But it's pretty minimal. It's minimal. Yeah, like avocado might be okay half every two weeks, okay You know, wow, that's so low, but then we might eat at quites essence. Oh sure Yeah, so we get some more fat that way. Yeah, but I Consistently feel my best keeping my fat levels around five percent of my daily calories. Okay. Yeah, okay So that's not including any overtly fatty fruits. Right like sweet fruits. Yeah. Yeah, so we don't have a lot doing like But when we go to Thailand we have durian Yeah, you know, so that brings the fat level up. Yeah over the course of the year, right? Reges out to probably between five and ten percent. Okay. I didn't want to be tired. I don't need to do it every day I find it a bit too heavy to have it every day. Yeah, and I like my bananas and I do I love durian But it's not every day food for me. I like avocado, but it's not in every week food for me Mm-hmm. I like flax crackers down there, but that's not it every month food for me Yeah, we've done it. Well, we've done that. Yeah, and it just it doesn't work. Yeah, they're more snack fruits They're more snacks than staples, right for me, it's the bananas dates As a staple and then mangoes grapes melons figs papayas, you know apples pears Mango steams, you know jackfruit gramma chummo, you know, things of that breadfruit Data rate is like my favorite. What's data rate data rate is like when you blend 20 or 30 medjool dates, right? With about a liter to a liter and a half of water with Cinnamon or or you can add like chopped mint herb. Yeah, and blend that on high It's just like a chocolate mint smoothie. Oh, yeah. It's amazing It's really really tasty. Yeah, or you can sort of You can make apple pie in a glass It's like Apple date water and blend that up. Oh, yeah ratios go, you know, like 20 to 30 dates and one to two apples One to one and a half liters of water. Yeah. Yeah, and cinnamon. Yeah Fuji apples I'll try it Make it for the potluck tonight Yeah, jeez that's crazy So Okay, so that's really low protein. You don't even really think about it. It's more just like If you get enough calories, you get enough protein and as you know, you know an endurance athlete You're doing up to, you know 500 and 15 kilometers in a day. Yeah, if I wasn't getting enough protein, I simply couldn't do that I simply couldn't be at the fitness level that I'm at. Yeah, people say, how are you pretty skinny? And I'm like, yeah, I'm a marathon runner, endurance cyclist. That's how we look, you know But if I was in the bodybuilding I'd have no problems, you know, put on 20 kilos of muscle in a couple years Yeah, but I don't I don't train weights because cycling and running's all about Being slim. I mean, yeah, if they're so good So, yeah, powder weight ratio, but protein is a non-issue if you get enough calories There's not even a medical word for protein deficiency. Yeah, we have quashioca or we have marasmas We have quashioca or marasmas But these refer to caloric deficiency not protein deficiency. We actually find in starvation patients They're best put on a low protein around the 10 10 percent of calories from coming from protein diet high carbohydrate low fat low protein that helps their kidneys regenerate and helps them get back up to Ideal body weight. Yeah. So protein has been mishyped. I mean, I had talked to It's been in the dairy industry, it's a big problem down there I've talked to a friend the other day and He said, oh, you know, if I was a vegan, I wouldn't get enough protein. I'm like, well I could go out and eat a kilo of plant protein a day And it could be a protein powder, vegan protein powder, or it could be, you know, raw protein powder No worries My friend said, okay, well, still you don't get enough protein. I'm like You eat steak. You eat more steak than anybody I know. He eats like a massive steak every night and he's into bodybuilding And he takes a protein powder on top of that I'm saying if you don't get enough protein and you're a meat eater and you're taking a protein powder I don't understand, you know It's like me saying, you know, you can't ride a bike because you might have an accident You got to drive a car instead. So cars have accidents, you know Yeah But protein is a non-issue get enough calories protein automatically Human mother's breast milk is about five percent of calories coming from protein Fruits five to seven percent of calories from coming from protein Most vegetables, you know, 10 to 20 to 30 percent calories coming from protein Get enough calories of protein Non-issue World health organization even says that 2.5 percent minimum calories coming from protein is sufficient for great adults Yeah, and so, yeah, non-issue if it was an issue We'd be the first to know because we're testing our bodies riding our bikes across countries and I was worried about that Do races When I started I was yeah, I was concerned. Yeah, I can understand why people are Yeah, but then I educated myself and realized it isn't an issue at all. You know, it's just a whole lot of propaganda So it's it's important to like, yeah, yeah, you got to try it yourself. Yeah, and you know and read and then I learn Educate yourself, right? I'll say, um, you know, a lot of people say this is more of a diet lifestyle More of a diet for endurance athletes people that are burning the sugar So what if I'm just chilling out, you know, I'm doing my thing. What how do I do it? For start I don't do that much exercise. A lot of people think, oh, you know freely She runs like marathons every day and I'm like, I don't at all No, and I regularly have days off, you know Full days off or I'll just sit on the computer all day Which isn't really the healthiest thing to do But I will do it because it's a priority at the moment, but You know, I do probably about 30 k's a week jogging and that is it Okay, so You know anyone can work out that is not a lot. Yeah, so I'm not an endurance athlete. It's about three hours a week exercise Yeah, that isn't a lot. That's not a lot. Think about the people in the gym. They're in there for two hours a day some people Yeah, yeah, you know, so yeah, so technically you're exercising the less than the usda guidelines they say 30 or 40 minutes a day. Yeah. Yeah So that's my story. So that's about four hours a day four hours a week that I Estimate and you do three so you under exercise. I am Well, there you have it Getting changed really jeez That's that's it up I think as well like we don't have children You know, a lot of mistakes me years ago. We don't have children. Yes, they all spent 13 hours on the computer Money exercise was playing with the cat and getting up to go to the toilet or get more food or get more water You know, so he's and then today just robin bike here in the sunshine and it's not a lot of exercise On average, but it's consistent. We're consistent with our bodies, but we're not obsessed about it Like someone said, you know, you're not going to exercise the next month. We want to test you in a lab I'm like, whatever man. That's cool. And you eat the same. It's exactly the same I'd eat less because my appetite would go down if I'm exercising. They're not consciously I wouldn't consciously to private nor restrict calories. We never restrict calories Yeah, ever Well, because it seems like you guys might be burning like 20,000 calories in a day Oh, no way. Well, you know, if you're writing if you're doing if I'm doing a 24 hour race Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's a lot 20,000 is a lot but even now It's about a thousand hours. It can be 20,000. Yeah, 24,000 But it's sort of if you're using your brain a lot as well This is what people have got kids if they got, you know, working a stressful job or they're dealing with stressful people or whatever They need a lot of carbohydrate calories. Hmm, but not fats We need minimal fat You wouldn't I say I'm always thinking that the fats are good for the brains Well, the fat body can't run on the fat in terms of like the brain the glucose The brain is filled exclusively by glucose and then when you go into ketosis You feel off ketent bodies, but that's really bad state to be in It was ketoacidosis things like that. And you don't feel as good. I feel that And then if someone says let's go go for a walk. Let's go dance all night. Let's go go have some fun Let's go play the kids. It's like, oh man It's so easy on fruit, you know, it's so easy on how I play card you know, it's it's just not an issue and Definitely fruits difference than breads. Yeah, we bred sweet potatoes even they're good But the things with breads and stuff is people add You know sour cream or the pastrami salami steak eggs chicken fish things like that They add to that then they eat that get fat from the fat and going oh, I must be the bread Yeah You know, oh, yeah Like he's the model I don't get you You know, I heard someone the other day say rice rice cakes make you fat, you know A famous health author Was saying rice cakes make you fat and I'm like, I've got a friend of anorexia and she eats rice cakes cucumbers and fruit And that's you know, that's what anorexia say anorexia don't eat big macs and big steaks and stuff like that They eat these high carbohydrate low fat foods because they keep you lean naturally Right If you look at the model what they eat they eat the lean foods And then we if we jump over to athletes, they eat the high carb low fat low protein foods typically So if we head towards the athletes eat like them, we have more energy like an athlete So that means you have more energy for our kids more energy for our business our passions our You know pleasures our travel our finances, etc I think life is sport life's hectic enough as it is, you know, we live in 2011 Everyone's got pressures. You know stress pay off the mortgage looking after the kids keeping up with peer pressures And that burns a lot of glucose, which is glycogen stored glucose So everyone needs a lot. Otherwise we start to feel overwhelmed. We start to depend on coffee and tea and You know adrenaline to keep going. Yeah, but if we get enough carbohydrates, it's easier to just Naturally But you know do our things But when people soon as people cut their carbs because they'll get fat it's like man, it's like They're not we would be obese if that was a case. Yeah. Yeah Agreed we eat more simple sugars than anyone and everyone says, oh, you guys are too thin you're too scrawny Oh, you exercise too much. The fruit makes you fat and it's like, hang on We're fruit makes you fat at least after five years. We should be getting obese by now Or we should be getting at least, you know, pudge Yeah after five years being crazy fruit nuts. Yeah Well, actually for me, it's been nine years since I started into raw foods and hitting the fruit. So Yeah And we're not obsessive about exercise and we promote unlimited calories, which is very different on the fat thing too, like um You only need three percent of your daily calories from Fat to cover like your efa requirements So three percent. Yeah, and just eating sweet fruit. You easily get over five percent Like non-fatty sweet fruit. So three percent is easy. Yeah easy to cover. Yeah, so Oh, um, should we go to a break? Should we do a little break here? Now would be a great time to thank our sponsors Let me see this Man, you show me the screen brother Mount Gox that's mtgox.com. They're online exchange services for bitcoins. They now take euro's British pounds and australian dollars and the canadian dollar is coming soon Continuing fees of three percent now until august 9th. So make it happen mtgox.com And us gold coins.com. That's 1 800 hot coin. 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This is this is I'm doing the math on the back of the pack And this is gonna last me six months. I mean I was eating I ate probably over 100 grams of omega-3 last night because flax seed happens about 23 grams omega-3 per 100 grams Which is yeah insane and fish typically has about 1 gram to 0.3 of a gram per 100 grams edible portion So you got 23 grams versus 0.3 of a gram or 1 gram It's like omega-3 is not issued and then I mean flax seeds that much but I like to eat lettuce and greens So all fruits and vegetables have omega-3s in them perfect balance Yeah, and if we get the then the perfect omega-6 omega-3 balance So when you cut out on the oils and the animal products or something like that open the grains possibly Your omega-3 balance is a lot better. Yeah for sure the grains Yeah, they'll be 2-6 and 3 But the whole emphasis on omega-3s is gains the fish industry is going wow, you know Fish has got so much mercury in 2011 the fish industry is like really taking a a big hit big king here and they're like Mega-3 and then the mega-3 got debunked and then they're like epa dha and and that's getting debunked because the body produces dha and epa epa yeah from mega-3s and mega-6s, so it's They're sort of like losing their hold and then people are producing algae's and things like that So you have to use the fish oil It's not an issue and all the pharmaceutical runoff that goes into the ocean Is like filtered through the fish's liver and you know store it in their flesh And all industry goes into the water into the ocean all the runoff So it's impossible to eat You know clean fish you could grow a goldfish in the fish tank and just do water goldfish goldfish smoothie Oh Maybe for the next video. Yeah, that could be an option, but no one's gonna Daniel Vitalis Speaking of you brought him up Um, are you guys do you still talk about these you know vitalis and what I haven't been following I I don't know Yeah, I get I get YouTube video requests people send me a link. So can you please comment on this? So I'll just do a comment. Yeah, that's why I do what I do It's good. I sort of creates a bit of a debate atmosphere and yeah a good thing about internet is just I find it's a community where people They can give and share and share opinions and debate sure sure it's great because there's no real dialogue There's often monitor So there's not much monologue. It's often dialogues because people get to really put their opinions on the plate Yeah, this is like tv. It's just that's how it is the one way There's no you can't debate that but on the internet if someone makes a youtube video Yeah, you can do a response video and that's really cool. Yeah, so it's great And have I mean you people think that you're too hard on on these guys Like maybe you might even be scaring people away from 80 10 10 Or I know you're a straight shooter If they're scared of me like picking vegan But it's important like I think to remember that Harley's not attacking You know the person who's attacking the message that they're peddling, you know more than anything Yeah, you know and And what's that right? It's not aggression. It's passion. I think it's you know people can there's a final line Yeah, I get that I get that I mean, I think there's a lot more similarities in the way. I mean definitely 99 cents similarities, you know, but it's I just put it out there because people request it and I think someone has to you know And the thing is people come to the raw food movement and they try and do You know like David sort of yeah style of which is higher fat high fat. Yeah And they fall off the wagon and then they never come back to raw food again And you know, I think it's important to get the truth out about yeah, what's healthy? What's sustainable? Yeah, and Give yeah, give people options at least. Yeah, that's the idea is just give them the full spectrum of what's available, of course You know, and I'm I mean Yeah, one one comment someone said is how are you not every diet works for everyone And you disagree and I disagree with that and then I'll say well, how come you say fruit the Fruit and vegetables doesn't work ever if not, you know, I mean like it might work for some people but they're like They just hate that idea. Well, not only that every species on the planet species specific design fruits It's the same way and we're trying to like change the wheel, you know recreate the wheel Exercise works for everybody But everybody thrives on a high carb raw vegan lifestyle. I haven't seen one person not thrive Legitimately, you know, like we've talked to them in more detail Oh Yes, I knew it is the vitrean diet vitrean join love with them Yeah, I just it was kind of a natural thing that I was doing because I was trying to lose weight here And I was just doing green smoothies and fruit for like two months and honestly I felt amazing like amazing But then I would have cravings and like I would just go back downstairs and I would go get ice cream You know and I would crash and then it was like I was on this nasty cycle for months And I didn't know, you know, I wasn't sure and but I felt so good when I was doing the I knew it as vitrean Just low fat low fat raw vegan and it was really high in greens I mean a ton of fiber like it's going to the bathroom like four times a day, you know just feeling so good But then I was unstable I felt like I was in like a crotch rocket kind of thing And it was just so fast and like I couldn't control it not enough calories. Yeah Well It might not have been enough calories. I mean, because there was a lot of greens and apples and pears You got more muscle than me, you know, like that's you know feed that muscle. Yeah, I was like you're on the computer a lot Yeah, I was in the gym a lot. I mean I was going I felt because I had so much sugar that I had to work out at least two Hours a day to burn the sugar off. Otherwise I was going to get fat. No I don't know. I mean, that's cool. That's cool. I respect your guys's opinion for sure And I mean, you're obviously like living it, you know Let's talk about it. Yeah You're not gonna get fat on fruit. I was I'd be like, so I know I know well you I mean you're working out a bunch But I get it I get it not a bunch. So about an hour a day I think when you say when you say, you know, cycled across Australia and everything people think you're doing that all the time Yeah, that's that's like so He doesn't know he really doesn't it's sort of like an analogy could be, you know A mango tree people see the mango tree one year. It's just fruiting. They assume it's fruiting all the time Yeah, but you know, 11 months out of the year. There's no nothing there. Yeah, you know, so it's not always a situation I don't train like a crazy dude It pays to be consistent on a lifestyle too. You know like to give it more than a couple of months Absolutely, even a year to give it more than a year. Yeah, because it is a lifestyle change And you know, you've been living a different way for so long that's going to be a bit of an adjustment Right, right Did you either um, either of you notice a lot of detox cleansing symptoms like anything coming out? Not really Not a lot of people talk about that, but I just felt better, you know, like I didn't have any of this cleansing Maybe the fiber helped. Yeah I think a lot of these cleansers are very fiberless And I think that's when people have some problems. It's not coming out the bottom It's coming out through wherever else or they're adding as well. They're adding, you know, uh A lot of toxic herbs or they're adding They might have allergies to clay or the allergies to cow Things like that. It's the clays too Yeah, I mean, yeah, where's the clay coming from? Well, yeah Yeah, it's good to invest in that. I mean Same sort of counterintuitive to eat clay too Every mammal eats clay if they're sick I mean in nature, the elephants will dig out clay and apes will eat it, you know, whatever It's something when you're inspired to do that and then maybe it's time It's like fasting. I don't know other people who are fast and they shouldn't be fasting and then they just after the fast they just Just eating them at worst junk and they're getting huge and they're going what's going on I'm like, you weren't ready to fast. You weren't even sick. He's one of the fast weight loss and then your body's rebelling And they're saying give me the food. Yeah So I think it's more of a situation not to like detox but tox We run a large we run the largest raw foods website on the planet The busiest 30 bananas a day dot common. So we see a lot of people coming with questions and My inbox is full of questions every day and I guess I don't feel I'm doing a detox diet and I'm like, what are you eating like? I'm doing like master cleanser like bitter maple syrup and lemon and cayenne pepper and I'm like, hang a cayenne pepper It's like, it's just like put that in your eyes and you You freaking out and you're putting that for your sensitive digestive tract. That's that's that's like detox. That's tox Okay, and pepper we use that in organic gardening as like a natural sort of pesticide pest repellent Well, it makes your intestinal tract want to release because it's an irritant. So that You know, I guess you're using it for that reason, you know to clean themselves out. But yeah, you know fruit is the perfect broom You know like Don't eat any other irritant stuff and the people say well our colonics. I'm like, man Eat, you know five pounds of kiwi fruit in a day, you know, you know colonic Yeah Colonics pushing water the wrong way up as well fruit pushes it the right way, you know downwards Colonics push it old fecal matter old stuff back up And then it can lodge and that's not good So it's another one when I first got into raw foods. I I did everything I could to stay raw You know in order to be all raw. Yeah, so I'd eat a bag of raw cashews a pound or two pounds of cashews Yeah, and feel terrible and then I read the book a guy must be detox It wasn't detox. I was just eating way too much fat and not enough fruit and just Just you know, I thought I was just detox it'll pass. It wasn't detox. I was just doing the wrong things Yeah And so that's why we speak up about it and tell people, you know, you just you're on the wrong track Just go over here and do that. You'll be right. Uh-huh So simple stuff. So basically we tell people what we would have liked to have heard when we first started out health journeys Raw food journeys. Yeah, and you definitely like keep it simple. I mean, it's very straightforward It is so simple. Are there any supplements that you use? Yeah, definitely. Yeah vitamin b12. Okay, because that's because you're vegan. It's like, well, not really I don't I don't I have a genetic issue My body doesn't produce enough intrinsic factor and that could have been caused by my Crohn's disease stuff like that I'll never would have found that out unless I was a vegan and people kept going me about the b12 issue So when you're vegan, you learn about b12 because everyone hits you with it. What about b12? What about b12? But the reality is all my swiping friends Who aren't vegan they all do b12 if they're racing at elite level And all the big athletes I know do b12 or the NBA stars or that all the stress vitamin And what style do you take? I do injections injections, which sounds like yeah, yeah, it's big pharmaceutical companies What are you doing there? It's not pure. I'm more into health than purity B12 injections definitely work sublinguals pills patients powders might work But injections in your deltoid intramuscular Definitely effective and give them to yourself Self-administering like lining up people behind the fruit shop injecting them. Wow That's any supplement we take seeing something we recommend Even my friend who Adelaide Clinton. He's a raw meat eater. He's been a raw meat eater since 2001 local organic wild He even once ate it I put a local chicken that someone killed put it on the roof in the sun The sun dried and the flies got in there and the maggots got in there So he ate the chicken with the maggots And then we got he's a great guy and We got him tested this year in march and his b12 was still low Lower than he wanted it to be so he said, ah, they're all right Get shoot me up So I'm shooting up my raw palo buddy in the alleyway behind his fruit shop And then more people are coming in i've given him b12 shots Because they wanted to bypass the whole doctors. You have to be a prescription dean And I've learned how to do it really well and it's a soil. You know the soil is depleted After all the modern farming practices are depleting the soil I think it's up upwards of 60 of cobalt has been depleted from the soil. It's been removed. It's a mineral You know so without cobalt you can't have b12. It's like the heart of b12 So you won't form without cobalt. Okay So yeah, you know, so there's a lot everyone's suffering. Yeah, I mean in the u.s You know a tufts university study pointed out that 39 of the u.s has a beat a low b12 levels And then let's remember the b12 cut off the serum b12 level in your blood is about 150 It's pretty low in japan. It's about 550 So you can be maybe sitting at 300 with your b12 serum in the usa or australia and doctors like yep doing great If that was in japan and you were 300 they'd be like Injection straight away because you'd be toward efficient. Uh-huh. So that's why a lot of people go highly I went to my doctor's doctor said i'm all right, and i'm like Man, you're 300 or you're 400. It's too low. Yeah, get it get it up there. Why do you think it's so high in japan? It's a good question. It's a good question. I don't know. Maybe it's uh, it's all the seafood Maybe but my friend who eats he eats your fish. He eats He eats oysters and stuff like he's threw it low b12. Yeah on paper. Yeah, yeah, he eats like The hours of the rda a day on paper, but when we go to his blood and he's home assisting level It's not it's not happening there. Yeah. Yeah, so the biggest mistake people can do is go ie Yeah radiation now. Yeah, that's it and radiation So the biggest thing biggest mistake people can do is just assume that because eating animal products are getting all the nutrients Yes, it's not the case. Yeah, it's not the case so it's You know the good book to read is couldn't be b12 by sally patchlock and she's an anti vegan and She says not bias at all. If anything she's biased against veganism, but in the book points to all these case histories of chronic b12 deficiency issues in me data, so she contradicts herself But it's against vegans, but then she shows you think it's a gut flora issue It can be can be as well. Yeah, can be a intrinsic fact can be gut flora can be stress levels can be where you live Can be drug issues coffee? Yeah, yeah, excess salt chili cayenne pepper cayenne pepper. Yeah, yeah You know too much fat not enough sugar for the probiotics to feed off. Mm-hmm. So there's a lot of factors there. Yeah I People can get in the stake of just doing b12 injections and just keep on partying on because b12 is using weight loss clinics in all around the states weight loss clinics use b12 injections to promote fast metabolism Which promote excess fat to be burned off. Yeah, so b12 injections are used for weight loss I don't promote it for that b12 injections used by hollywood celebrities like Madonna just in timelike You know you look like just in timelike All these people doing b12 injections For weight loss and vitality. I don't I don't recommend that. I think if you got an issue use them, but Look after your diet and lifestyle first get the early nights and things like that and also, you know if you've got a deficiency in b12 and You have it And you've got excess weight You might lose weight because without b12 your body can't burn fat efficiently. Hmm. Okay as efficiently as efficiently. Yeah Okay, maybe some people's problem. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Oh, well, you've got your bike in the studio. Yeah, um If we can if you want to bring it in and yep We'll see how everything looks tell us about it. What's the story behind this? Okay, we've got this, uh It's from bamboo bike maker.com in Thailand and this guy web works he makes him He used to work for Michelin now. He's making bamboo bikes in Thailand so it's Bamboo grown and bamboo is good because you can just cut it and it grows again. It's just joined with carbon fiber and This is my race bike and Travelling bike. I've got a little mirror on here for when I'm out in the highways It's pretty good. It's in New Yorkman. How much is it way? It's about 9.6 kilos. So it's a lot heavier than a lot of the guys I'm racing with but it's You know, I don't think weight matters that much on your bike as long as it's fit fits you well And it's very comfortable good for new york streets. Yeah, it's pretty rough here in the roads and this Soaks it up. Yeah nice and strong And I hear over a hundred thousand bikes a year gets stolen here. So you gotta look after your bike in new york And those big fat chains Oh, yeah 100,000 bucks a day a year a year That's crazy. I mean that's like That's the last like, you know box a day or something. Yeah Mine was right outside of Whole Foods in Union Square in the middle of the day middle of the day Do you have a chain? Yeah. Union Square is a hot spot. Not a big chain yet. Union Square is a hot spot They just stand there. There's a guy there with a cell phone You'll just stand there and watch and then you'll make a call and they'll come around and pick it up I guess it's their business. It's a business Yeah, I read the last night. Union Square is a hot spot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's unfortunate Yeah, it's sad. It was a sad moment. I had to go back into the subway after and I was like, oh Okay The key is I think is to have two two two deox one on your front and one on your back and then you sort of Yeah, that's a good bamboo bike and uh really enjoy it. This is just um carbon fiber. Is it resin? It's carbon fiber with a bit of resin. You can also get it done into a hemp fiber. Yeah, which is uh, that's an option It's a place in Brooklyn, isn't it? It's actually a place in Brooklyn if you look it up Brooklyn bamboo bike builders. Cool. So if you're local you can do it here or the fill he does them for you and They're very well priced and just really good for the the New York streets How was it traveling with this? Great. I travel with my bike all over the world and always been with my bike and uh Box it up or? Yeah, just chuck it in the box. Take the wheels off. Take the seat out. Take the handlebar off Just chuck it in a cardboard bike box. Yeah Yeah, bike on one side wheels on the other side and then we get to your destination Yeah Build your bike up and then chuck the cardboard box in the recycling Easy easy peasy. Yeah, and then uh save on transport costs You need a lower footprint and just get to meet a lot of people I've made so many friends already in New York just from the bamboo bike and riding around. Yeah, it's great Get to see places and especially in summertime you get to cool off Yeah, so that's good. Well compared to renting a bike, I mean it makes so much sense. Oh, I mean, you know And renting a bike can be good, but You get bikes that don't maintain well that fit your ride or you don't know them that well Yeah, taking a bike is maybe 10 minutes hassle checking in at the airport Versus, you know six weeks or however long you're going to use it for and your holiday destinations. Yeah You know, that's what I focus on. Yeah, I've got youtube video up how to pack your bike for airline travel, right? All right, that's good. I'll take it all around. I'll take it in Thailand and all sorts Yeah, and how long have you had her? She's about Six months old. Okay So, yeah It works well and where did you get this down in Australia? I've got it sent to Australia. It's made in Thailand made in Thailand. Yeah, I feel web from bandroobikemaker.com And no, no, it's a great bike. Are there do they make different models? Yeah, you can get a mountain bike. You can get like a street bike You get a fixed gear bike cool bike or or the road race bike. Yeah So you just ship the frame out to me and then I put all my parts on there. Oh, right Okay. Yeah, sure. So, yeah, so it's not like they're shipping the whole bike. You you add your your favorite parts. Yeah Yeah Wow, so you can customize your Specifications on your bike. So to meet your your daily riding style. Yeah I like what you said about not worrying about the weight of the bike so much And just losing a few more pounds off your body You know, like that's what people freak out about so much as the bike weight And they could easily lose two pounds You know just or 60 pounds or 60 or 100 pounds even some guys It's a good point. Yeah, I was reading a magazine the other day in grand central station a bicycle magazine And one of the advertisements was forget the diet forget the diet Um upgrade in your brake levers or something like that It's just like you're gonna save 20 grams and you're freaking brake lifts And you're gonna pay 400 dollars to do that. Yeah, he's serious I took a photo of his hilarious But uh, it's like a whole clicky thing, you know, like the bike sort of club, you know Everyone has to have the lightest bike. Oh, yeah, it's a big competition and yeah I've been in there before as well But man, he cracks people when the banana boy on his heavy bamboo bike is kicking them on the hills It cracks and they're just like, yeah, can't be man. Yeah, but it's all good So bike weight doesn't matter bicycle fit is what matters the most So many bikes gonna fit you because that's where you're you know, your legs don't want to be too Cranked up or too extended and a local bike shop can help people get fit it up Yeah Bike fits imperative and all what I do is I put a little liquid paper pen mark there Or a little Texture mark So if you take your seat out or if it slips down you have a reference point So I'll do them a handlebar as well. So anything slips you got a reference point of just a You know 50 cent whiteout pen Can save a lot of hustles. Yeah Like if when when you ride with Lance Armstrong, what and you bring up the ideas of like the fruit diet and stuff What does he say about all that? So I ride of I ride of Lance not as like a personal friend. I'm just like yeah I'm the uh The sucker fish that you know jumps in the back of the bunch and just you know, people know me like highly come on Yeah, you know, what do you know? Um, I'll talk with Lance about nutrition and about his cancer campaign and stuff like that I said to Lance this year. I said, yeah, maybe you should uh What would be great is if you promote a dietary change with the Livestrung Yeah And he's like, did they ever talk about diet? No, he's Lance's reply was yeah, whatever Yeah, and he changed the subject or something else. Yeah. Yeah. So and that's cool. I mean, who's his biggest sponsor? Pristamaya squib Pharmaceuticals. Yeah, so it's sort of like, you know, you're counting into your sponsors You sort of if you talk about nutrition you're biting the hand of fizzy if you're sponsored by Pristamaya squib So yeah, you can hardly say anything. Yeah, he's gonna be so careful what he says Yeah, I found Lance is you know friendly guy and you know, I've trained a lot of Those tour de France riders when they come to Adelaide pretty friendly guys all around and it's good You get to see what they eat and you saw that they all went to high carb low fat A lot of those guys do eat a lot of fruit and they eat a bit of vegan when they want to drop the weight Funnily enough, like I know Tyler Hamilton Lance's teammate who's now going against Lance in the doping allegations Tyler will, you know sit down and eat apples for a couple of days just to drop a few pounds and yeah a lot of guys Bananas is like the the original power bar Cycles you see a lot of cycles of banana or two in the back pocket Green banana or two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So no, yes, he's a friendly guy. Yeah It's interesting to have all the doping allegations coming out. Yeah, it's too bad. It's too bad. That's pro sport Yeah, yeah, it's too much competition. I mean, well the the money involved in it really like yeah, you got millions of dollars You got lifetime fame. Yeah human temptation. Yeah, nature. Yeah. Yeah lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah building it up like that and uh, yeah So another 10 minutes. So, um, yeah Let's uh, how about I think a really cool thing that you guys have inspired is kind of like traveling based around the fruit Like one of the things I love the most about traveling is going to the markets and seeing what's up Like seeing what's there what's in season? Um, what are some of your favorite spots that you've been to? Thailand Thailand. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's a place where we go called chanaburi. Okay And um, the fruit there is always amazing always heaps of mangoes and bananas and what else like a pies and And it's quality, you know, it's really beautiful quality. You ever see salak salak fruit snakeskin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's okay. It's kind of sour and tangy. Yeah, it's more condiment fruit. I think yeah The chanaburi is amazing. They grow more salak in chanaburi than anywhere in the world They grow more durian in chanaburi anywhere in the world. They grow more mangrove steam In chanaburi than anywhere in the world. It's like chanaburi. Thailand is like if you want fruit Between may september peak season. Yeah, you get durian for 50 cents a pound Mango steams 10 cents a pound You know mangoes. Whoa. Yeah accommodation eight dollars a pound here. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's insane and If you just want mango steams for free, they'll give them they'll probably give them to you It's they're that generous in chanaburi is there's always fruit skins everywhere. I love that. Yeah Anywhere in a western country, you know, this is mango steamskins everywhere I did a 220 kilometer bike ride last month in chanaburi because every month I do a 200k ride just easy just riding around checking out new places It's like walking in the shopping malls all day So I ride my bike around and literally every kilometer for 220 kilometers I played a game if if I could see a fruit tree Or I could see someone selling fruit and I literally could for every kilometer So when I walked and rode into town, there's obviously no fruit trees But there's people selling fruit when I got out of town there's obviously fruit farms everywhere. Yeah So if anyone says that fruit is not sustainable All I need to do is go to chanaburi, Thailand And you can't even see around the corner because there's just trees everywhere a lot of biodiversity to not mono Yeah, it's not mono. It's nice You have rows of durian then rows of banana and then rows of mangosteen and rows of jackfruit and pomello and salak Wow, so into that, you know cross Sort of system farming. Yeah. Yeah to reduce pesticide usage. Yeah, for sure. You got a couple of little mono farms, but 90% of it's like, you know, yeah, wild durian trees everywhere in, you know, countryside Yeah, just it's so much fruit there. So that's what we love about traveling is going to new places and Copenhagen is really cool too. That's in Thailand. It's a little island off Thailand. It's really cool. Okay. Yeah Not as good for fruit as chanaburi, but the lifestyle is really cool You know, like there's heaps of people like heaps of different nationalities there and yoga schools and it's on the beach Such a great lifestyle. Yeah, it's so nice. Yeah But chanaburi is good. Yeah, definitely. Any other countries? Malaysia. Malaysia is good for durian. Really good for durian Yeah, it's like they're really proud of their durian there. They really look after it. Right a lot of organic and Yeah, Thailand's a bit less organic really for durian. It depends, you know, like I'd say to people look for the ants Look for the ants. The ants are on your fruit. It's good. Yeah, it tastes good. That's good Yeah, I've never actually had chemical grown fruit that tastes quality You know, you bite into a peach this convention and it'll be like a bit flowery or I have a little bit of flavor But it's not really You know pumpkin. Yeah. Yeah, and when you have a peach off the tree, you can or whatever I've never had good quality fruit as conventional. Yeah, and I've been to conventional farms aren't certified organic I've had good quality fruit. Um, I'm like, what are you doing here? They're like, oh, we don't lose much pesticides and you know, like we just kind of Farm in the road, use the manure and stuff like that and like, oh, there we go. They know how to grow it They're all there's some old Italian. They use the Italian methods and then you go to a farm Because I travel on my bike a lot. So I like to go to farms, talk to farmers, talk to people You go to an Australian farmer. We've locked an Aussie farmer who doesn't care about the land Doesn't care about taste Just, you know, and you see him spraying and you taste their fruit, we bite local market and it's It's like a washing rag or something like that. It looks good but there's no taste. Yeah So I find organic taste is everything. You can't grow good fruit chemicals. Are you seeing a transition in Australia? Are they going better? They're getting better. The biggest growing food industry is organic worldwide States in Europe in Asia in Australia. Yeah. Yeah, it's seeping into Australia. It's big in America though. Yeah That's why we love America. America's always the leader. It's weird. It's like there's the best and the worst here You know, you see like the worst but then also it's so good because you can get whatever you need. Bingo, yeah You got like New York. You got like, yeah You get incredible And people think Australia is sort of like the place to go, you know It's like oh this is tropical island and you can get whatever you want like the most amazing fruit It's just not like that. Yeah, you know, it's really expensive and it's it's hard to get good quality fruit Like we were living off californian dates in Australia Yeah And where the fruit for an expert says You can get it if you want it if you work for it and search for it, but It's it can be challenged. It can be challenging. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Especially this year with the rain and stuff like that. Yeah It's crazy about the mangoes like you know, do you think the actual trees were killed or they just lost the fruit? They what happened is they got heavy rainfall when the flowers set. Oh, yeah The rain just knocks the flowers off. Yeah No mango season. Yeah, like hardly any skeleton mango season. Yeah Nothing worse than no mangoes. Oh, I know Well, there's the there's the philippine ones here. They're like those nice yellow ones I don't know if it's namdaq mai or not, but no kind of they call them champagne Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah, they're good. The best arc is the namdaq mai They're in thailand. You've had them haven't you in thailand. Yeah, they're really sugary sweet So tender and like yeah, just melt in your mouth. Yeah, no strings Right, right, but what I like here is the bananas here. It's just so tasty like the Epidurian organic bananas or the that's good to know. Costa rican organic bananas are so tasty and uh, Bananas are ways out of our favorite banana whip. Yeah. Oh, yeah, banana webs. Yeah Sammy frozen banana blended on high speed. Yeah, pretty nice. Yeah high speed and that for breakfast ice cream for breakfast That's what you could have done instead of going down downstairs to get some ice cream like Open up the freeze and chuck in some bananas in the bottom mix and And then you get the carbs at your body needs. Yeah, and nothing you're great Yeah, it was uh, I didn't know a lot back then, you know, so it was kind of like, you know, you go for what? Oh, yeah, whatever We've got a few minutes left. So if you want to plug I know you have an event coming up. You've got a few events So tell us about what's coming up websites to find you all that good stuff We've got the woodstock fruit festival coming up. It's going to be the longest War foods festival ever done and I'm aware of and that's going to happen in Catskills national park in upstate new york. Okay, that starts in the august 15th google up august 18th August 18th me. Yes, that's right to 25th google up woodstockfruitfestival.com Nice and then our website steadybananasaday.com. Okay. We've also got a talk coming up in New york city at bonobos raw food restaurant. That's the 11th of august from six till nine p.m Okay, yeah, okay, so you can find that out on steadybananasaday.com Okay, and what's your blog? Oh sweet juicy freely.com. Okay And what's your shirt say? Oh, it says go for it yourself And you can swear rawfitbitch.com. Yeah, so look up my website too And you're on facebook as well. Yeah. Yeah, okay, and then just during writer and if you look on during writer.org There's my blog. Okay, and the youtube channel I use is during writers. Yes So people just google it up during writers during writer Stuff crazy stuff will come up. Yeah, and we're also doing a talk in pennsylvania Lanced out at arnold's way On monday the first of august, which is in two days. Oh, wow. Yeah, we're doing one tomorrow Vibrant living festival. Yeah, probably. Oh, yeah, vibrant living. Yeah, you've been to that before. Was it no no Is it first year? It might be the first or second, but cool more than Well, great to have you both really cool. Really cool. Thank you. Yeah. Cheers so much. Thanks. Yeah, awesome. Awesome All right, thanks everybody anthony anderson show and uh, stay tuned for more only one tv.com peace. Thanks so much