 Everybody welcome to the show. This is a show about That's about making mistakes big mistakes. Well, it could be little mistakes, too But but at the time they seem like big mistakes and then like maybe like a year later. You're like, hahaha I'm so glad I live through that tonight. We're going to be talking to We're going to be talking to Jack's We're getting started early, don't you? Oh, we're getting started for real tonight We're going to get up the thunder and Sanders. That's with a pee in front All right, everybody welcome to the show. Wow, this smells good. Yeah, so long so long Hey everybody, welcome welcome to the show already drunk Tonight tonight is Jack Sanders You do so many different things that I don't know what business or what thing I think we just talked about you as an entity, but like you have you have many side hustles You have a core business that you focus on other than this show, of course Like what would be your core business? What's the name of your core business? Erudite and stone Check me out drink science on Instagram underscore between drink and science but Eris Deighton stone is my is my company as I carved and Troll blazed new paths in this case erudite and stone is a very much can of centric company I do cannabis design. I do branding for cannabis companies. I make cocktails Special event facilitation like that has to do with cannabis if it has to do with cannabis That's erudite and stone. Okay the learn it erudite and stone Yeah, oh like educated and elevated Actually once won a scrabble game over 700 points my final word and I've been saving this many a turn was erudite erudite Seven letters only piecing together word score with a couple other little bonuses in there erudite Before we get back to why you know everything How how did you get into? into doing like cannabis as a profession Well, you see here. I've been a drink slanger since about 1984 actually been a slang and drink since 2001 Okay, start it consulting in cannabis in 2016. Yeah Ethnobodyny I developed food programs for cancer patients and aid patients This all still happening while I'm a bartender for my day job, right and then after a few upsets and changes in business and management and Partnership I decided, you know, what what better way to edge into this very new frontier that's Globally becoming explosive Ridiculous right now. Yeah, I have all of this process all this data this raw data From how your plants grow to what the feed your plants to what better to feed your plants to how to reduce pest How to go non-pesticide? Combine that with my ethnobotanical background where I know a lot of the actions of these plants in the first place Yeah, and then I've been bartending for so long So I was like well, what if I just edge into consulting since I can build the bar from the ground up Yeah, had the plans for that. I can do the menu. I can do everything for it and even supply the training for the staff Yeah, what if we did that in a can of centric way? Do you think do you think It's sort of like the way that you grew up did it it made you capable of Sort of being like you're really inventive like with the drinks that you have with with what you wear the things that you talk about Everything else was that was that sort of fundamental? Did you learn that that young or was there something else that came along where you're like wait? This is gonna change everything right like did you have an experience where you decided? I wouldn't call it a lesson. Yeah, there's conditioning in life, right? Like we have environmental conditioning I mean, I'm not the the proponent who's like you're a product of your environment You're a product of the conditions in which you were under but they play a significant effect on What you see of the world? Your exposure and more importantly how you apply the things that you've learned. Yeah, so a lot of my condition I didn't have brand new things. I had Yard sale garage sale I mean like my TV didn't work unless it was turned on its side didn't have color But maybe five minutes out of a 24-hour period Yeah, you never knew which if you watch black and white long enough it seems like it's in color It's okay, right and then the color kicks and I'm like that's right. It's black and white and then it's gone again No, I agree like you're right You're not you're not a product of your environment But you it's like it's like we we learn how to survive a certain way and however we learn how to survive our bodies Our brains everything else like keep doing that right whatever it is keep doing that and they could be good It could be bad. It could like good bad healthy unhealthy whatever it is, but this is how you survive, right? I saw a lot of like there's a lot of great Traits that come with that like constantly studying being a student always right or learning how to disarm people in a situation with humor or Caring about like you those are all taxies. That's my favorite with your mits Here's your arm back Also, possibly a positive way of learning how to survive that's like the Rocky Balboa way You know an awful lot about an awful lot of things and we've talked about this How and why like do you just Not shut off. So if you go like when you go home tonight, you know, you know You unwind you relax you hang out with some friends or whatever it is then you hop on Wikipedia and just go to town You got like encyclopedia. So I am a fan of doing True research. I'm definitely big into theoretical sciences. So my unwind. Yeah is reading metaphysics books Yeah, my work is reading applied metaphysics books if that makes sense Yeah, so there's definitely a part where I'm relaxing and it seems like I'm still working because I'm still doing research On what I do when I'm doing applied work. Yeah, yeah But that for me, I mean I look cool as hell don't I? That being said, I was a super geek and a bully as a kid weird combination Like I was the kid who stayed in studying quantum physics reading Machiavelli the prince Learning about how to manipulate entire societies with the truth But not the truth and at the same time I'd go to school and people would try to make fun of my clothes So I was a fifth grader fighting eighth graders on and winning with your mitts winning Yeah, and third graders would be like, oh, you look really cool. Shut up. Give me your damn celery and your Oreos And then the eighth graders would be like well He's a bully too and so I'd go beat up some more eighth graders for their better stuff like their video games and stuff Like I'll beat you up if you don't bring something better bring Zelda tomorrow. You're not like this now. Oh, I'm still a geek No, but like the like the bully figure. That's what the drinks are for Here's another one. What are we paid my dad? This is on me. Okay, so it's in you. What are what are we I even hesitate to go here at this point Oh, we do need to drink What do we what do we what are we drinking? What are we drinking tonight? You're gonna find out because you're gonna make it Yeah, really really you're gonna make this drink. It's a combination of a black manhattan Green point and a mezzo-mezzo Okay All right, we're gonna talk about you got plenty of But while we're doing that yeah, you're gonna build us a drink. I'm gonna I'm gonna build us a drink No, wait, is there proper etiquette? Is there like a way I'm supposed to put my hands. Yeah, like a doctor. That's right Yep, doctor. Love her. Love up doctor doctor doctor. Okay, doctor doctor Mezzo-mezzo-mezzo-mezzo-mezzo so right next to you have a bottle of yoga chef a Ethiopian coffee and fused apricot liquor this yeah, okay Now we're gonna want a quarter ounce each and since you're mixing up them both at the same time Just pour a half ounce pour a half ounce of this one right here Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's good. And we're gonna follow that that Prescription okay on over a green chartreuse in the front of the lazy Susan. I got okay green chartreuse Quarter ounce of that for each of us. So we're gonna do the half ounce thing again Now this is about a hundred ten crew that's here Abby LeCourt. So Abby Abby meaning from like a like Monks All right, right next to that you have a Crippano antica vermouth red top this one here. No, this one here. Yeah, and it's the same thing Quarter ounce each so we'll do a half. I like that poppy sound man. You're doing it. You're doing it. Okay Now next to that chartreuse you have moletti this one here. Yeah This one has saffron in it. Yeah, you remember remember a little bit of violet. It's got some floral notes Now we're gonna jump into the calvados. Okay. All right just here Same thing quarter ounce each half ounce all together. This is a mixy-mixy. It's like yeah There okay, okay, what do we do next? We're gonna do a written house now Hey, you know what when when we do the show you make drinks specific to the guest you're the guest Yeah, or is this specific to me in this case? No, this is definitely what I would drink for me. Oh, that's fantastic. Oh, yeah Okay. Yeah, all right And then uh, let's do one dash of orange bitters. Oh, it's right here. Yeah The bitters for neck beards All right, what do I do with this? So you want to You want to give it One two hard dashes. Oh, it's just a dash it hard. This is what makes it a cocktail. Yes. All right. The bitters That's a boom. Yeah, good job and do another one. Yeah, there you go So awkward dashing like a pro over here. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Now we have some aromatic bitters with a vanilla bean It's got a bean in it. Yeah Scrappy aromatic bitters some of my favorite. Okay Um, and it's got a vanilla bean in it. So give it that that that dash you just did. Uh and another one Uh and another one Are you gonna do it again? Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do it. You're gonna uh and one more That's what I'm talking about little james brown in there. Go ahead and dump that in there. Why not? I put this in here. Yeah, okay And now here's the cool part we're gonna stir together because this is a lesson in and of itself We have several spoons here. I'm gonna take this one take the one that's right there Now take it like you're riding but in between your middle fingers Okay And so the stirring technique you want to keep the back of that spoon against the thing It looks like you're just back and forth and now use your wrist You should feel it spin a little bit. It does There you go. I'm probably you know, I got it. Why careful about the way you do it Well, you don't want to aerate the drink too much. I don't want like the bubble bubbles. Yeah, yeah too much oxygen changes the flavor profile can Bring out aromatics and that that you normally wouldn't taste there. Okay. Now. Here's the fun part. Okay Got a lid here. Go ahead put that on. Yeah, set the spoon down. We've got two glasses there We've got gone ish. Okay. So over here to the side you have some Candied tangerines. Okay. Yeah Go ahead grab it. Yeah, put your fingers on it. Okay Right in the top. Just throw it in there. Yeah, just let make sure that the round parts facing to the bottom Yeah, round part to the bottom. Yeah, it's more likely to float that way. All right And we're gonna add a cherry to the top of each of those That is sitting down because we poured it up to the room. Nice. Nice. This type of stuff Tell me tell me a little bit about like when you got when you got started putting this stuff together or even just got into Even before you tended bar like what would you say were some of your or you did? Oh, I'm snapping your your first drink I like that. It's all right. We're like it's like a holy moment. Like we're just like Please be quiet while we take the picture. Okay. Perfect bartender flip. Yeah Can we get that in there? This is actually your bio flick as a bartender. That's it Sean funder the happy bartender now the happy bartender. He's laughing at this. He's like you're getting drunk I'm the inflatable flying waving arm I still use cars on the weekend So like most bartenders do What what would you say are some of the The like things where you'd say like it was a messed up at something that you learned Like when you're kind of on your own or like things that you'd say like I put that up or That was like hard to like go through or overcome Well, I've got a lot of those first I'd like the preference that would saying that I guess with every up It's only really really up if you don't recover Yeah, you know if you don't recover from it A fucked up turns into your and I don't have too many of those moments to speak on I'm I'm extraordinary resilient I was built for hard work and I've taken quite a few ass weapons in my life and gave back Twice as hard as I got so I have mistakes that I've made up that have happened that Everybody just looked at each other like this like Yeah That's a that's a wrap. Yeah, uh one I was a special labor And I was doing demo But on this one particular uh remediation gig And king's gate So working there I was doing this job and they're like We need somebody to build steps on the side of the house so that we can get all of our men up to that particular side And there's a door on the side of the house that we need to get in and out of But the owner lost the key some huge time ago and he was like just cut it off And so they tell me to just cut it off I have never cut a doorknob off of a door or a door off the hinges before right and I was like Well, why not just remove the door they're like because it's a security door and it's metal Just cut the doorknob off and they hand me a reciprocating saw also known as the saw saw because it saws all So I'm like, okay, and I'd never used a saw saw at this point Right never had a use for I'm circular saw table saws most of my stuff is like framing and finished work I've got no need to use a saw saw for most things right so they hand me this thing which is like A jackhammer you hold sideways and the blade does this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah real fast and I'm like This is And then I look at one of the other guys who's who's like with me not a supervisor He's like they told you to do it just do it And so I'm like, all right, so I angle the saws on I turn it on it's scraping against the door And I'm like, okay They want the knob off so I dive into it and I saw off the top of the knob. Yeah. Yeah So now there's no knob, but there's still a plate and now I can see the under workings and I'm like I still got a saw off the plate too. So now now I'm feeling a little bit more comfortable and I've got the blade pressed against it It's even bending. That's the cool thing about a saw saw is you can saw weird angles and stuff, right? So the blade is bending and still doing this So I get the door knob off. I go straight to my supervisor. Here's the door knob. He's like, dude, you cut it in half I'm like told me to cut it off He was like, yeah, um But not in half Still never clarified and I made that face right there. Like, well, what the f*** did you think I was? I don't I don't really get the instruction now. Yeah, yeah And so he comes and looks at the door and he sees all this dude. You scraped up the door You gave me a saw saw and wanted me to cut off a metal door knob from a metal door And he was like Well, we weren't supposed to mess the door up How are you gonna get the door off with the saw saw and get the door? How would you get the door knob? So I don't know whatever happened after that because he looks at me and he's like, do you know how much that door costs? Oh, no, no, no. So the guy's looking at me. He's like, we don't have that in our budget So I can take it out of your check But I can't keep you working on a job where you become a financial liability. Oh, no So I got fired from a demo job. You got fired from a demo job All right, we need we need to drink wait. What do we drink like a bartender? What's another one? We did Korean. We done Japanese Have we have we have we done uh Croatian? I don't think so Nastrove Okay, okay Such a weird glass, isn't it? This is good. The what's the one part again? It was bourbon. No, what was the one part? Rye Whisky rye bottled in Bonn rye aged four years in a government Watched warehouse. All right. I'm learning all sorts of things jack. What? I do have a big question because I think you have a good answer for it. There are a lot of people Out there that are they're kind of like making money on the side so that they can do something that they really want to do Or do something want to love that they want to be an artist. They want to be an actor They want to start their own nonprofit like those types of things like If you could sit down with somebody and kind of have let them have like a therapy session You we're going to give them advice or whatever And you could uh, you could hang out with them for, you know, five minutes Like what would you tell If you want to live the life you want to live it starts with what you want Figuring out what's useful for other people helps Especially if you want to be plugged into your community and have a healthy community That's really all you actually need. Don't be afraid to do what you're good at And don't be afraid to get good at something that you're unfamiliar with A lot of people find out they're good at things accidentally There's a lot of people who are working in positions because they think they have to maintain that job Maintain that credit score average, right? But they don't know why They think oh, well, this is stability, but they don't know what that means for them I think I think that's spot-on. I mean the hardest thing in the world is figuring out It's a lot of times just figuring out what you want like that takes an extraordinary amount of honesty that I don't think a lot of people by myself included at different points in my life like Like safety in a lot of cases or the sense of safety And a lot of cases is easier than than honesty, you know We should do we should do an entire show about getting drunk That would be great All right here here to that one to that one cheers jack I'm just gonna keep seeing you so I don't need to be like maybe I'll see you around sometime All right before we go the let's take a shot one more shot one more shot All right a shot just if you're gonna if you're gonna be a bartender straight drink You've got to drink like a bartender, right? Okay one more shot. What are we doing? You want to do that uh benedictine and oh no no no Chartreuse chartreuse is right where You make the shot. Oh, this is gonna be easy. Sure. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right You put him in here. You're gonna be mad because you're a bartender and I'm gonna make the easiest shot You've ever had. Oh great. Is it just chartreuse? It's just chartreuse. Oh, jeez. Okay. You're just gonna make the shot Just so you know, there's bartenders watching us right now who are applauding this entire situation Really, they're they're like yo, they're doing shots of chartreuse. That's what we do. That's what we do Here I'll give you a little one because I'm gonna do it. Okay, cool Oh and the way I toast okay To michael blackman. I love you. He's the guy who who gave me this toast It's a song he wrote to himself a long time ago. Okay to water when you're thirsty To whiskey when you're dry To a shotgun when you need one And nothing when you die salute salute Oh, that's right. 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