 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Thanksgiving Spectacular 6th annual Thanksgiving Spectacular joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends. Has it really been that long? Yeah, man. Yeah, man Just wait until I say like 15th annual Isn't that exciting? That's gonna be a thing I say someday Really like is it though? Like yeah, I won't be dead by then so that should be fine Okay. Yeah We got we got we got some more years in us. So we're good. It's fine. Okay. Yeah, absolutely So this year we're gonna well, you know, we're go through the year So for those of you who've been around for previous Thanksgiving Spectaculars we actually this is where we review the year and we talk about what we're thankful for and What we we give we play a fun little game called thank you or janky Where we're gonna rate everything from the year as either thank you we're thankful for it or janky We're not so thank you or janky And yeah, that's what we're gonna do but first of course The news and Vince grabs his post-it notes so he can start marking time like he's gonna do in every normal show now Here we go. Oh, I just it's it's just it's it's a holiday mirror It is that we're that we're here now. Okay, so um Time to do I So what do we do we had a news item a we have a new Okay, that's what I'm looking for. Yeah, we'll get there What is this is this like a 15 millimeter model? Why does this look so bad? Ah What is this like do you know it's super concerning for me is the wrist This has got to be a Lord of the Rings model. It just looks out of scale That's that's what I'm saying like it's true 28. It's it one. It looks very normal, right? Like there's nothing fantastical about it in any way shape or form Yep, to it looks smaller scale because the details just not there with the little baby hands Right, like I mean look at those fingers. They don't even have an actual You mean the appropriately scaled hands? No, I mean tiny baby hands because it's a little 28 mil with tiny baby hands also Shout out to Gary P. Who I'm very much in agreement with that cross guard. He they're like the sword is put together wrong Okay Like the point of a cross guard like having a hook is to deflect away a blade Yeah, you know, it's gonna like literally deflect the blade right into your forearm like it should be the opposite direction It can go down over the cross guard and or the finger guard sorry and up over your wrist Yep, so Yes, that is a I agree with Adam tabletop minions who says that is not a heroic wrist Yes, I agree the so the couple things I would add the The wrist like the folds in the skin there Right, I guess sure toward loose skin like most people don't have folds in their wrist skin, right? Yes, which so this could be Vampirates and what this might be is like Dead flesh like loose dead flesh because those two lines in the wrist there are very Abnormal for how wrist wrist work it could be gloves as somebody said which you could have like an elbow-length glove which again It could be like a female It could be like a female vampire it with white gloves and you know, which is that which is like small skinny arms and I mean, I'm reaching here of course and that's fine I mean and actually like maybe they are gloves because there's no fingernails I'm gonna say it's an Old World model and this is confirmed that Old World is gonna be a 15 millimeter scale game How amazing would that be? Oh That would be so terrible a lot of people just got real angry at that thought I I love everything about what you just said. It's just the funniest the shot right of it all. Yeah No, I look it's not that interesting. So okay, it's it is the least interesting rumor engine they've ever posted I want it to be Vampirates. It's not It's not but I want it to be sure. I think like so clearly GW has caught on and they've been feeding us these images right of of Vampirates ish things. Yeah And that's just another one of what this is Sure, and and it's probably you're saying this is like a shell game. It's a ruse. They're there try to bamboozle us They are yeah, we didn't land on Vampirates Vampirates landed on us. That's what you're saying here, Tom I got it. I'm with you. You can't fool me GW. I know you're gonna release the Vampirates in q1 I know it's the new army for the March release You can try to fool us all you want you can throw up this smoke screen of 15 millimeter models with with really weird Wrists and non-sculpted fingers. I Still know the Vampirates are coming So there you are and I will say, you know, I will agree with tabletop like this this very well Just simply could be night on a new ghostie boy Sure. Yeah, because you that that could also explain the ill-defined fingers the weird wrist stuff like that It's fine. I'm like the weapon is not rusted at all, which is generally unusual They usually paint night-haunt weapons with some amount of rust to them Yeah, this has a very it is a very like you can tell lots of things because GW paint the very bad Like I can see the metal pigment on this from space so You know, you can tell that it's got like a strong silver line and silver edge Yeah, so yes, oh There we go Just waiting for him to make comments about the janky metallic paint on that sword boom nail it Yes, it's awful. It's awful. Please GW you have a lot of money to create contrast paints Just make like a real metal paint. The technology cannot be that impossible Right go Reverse engineer whatever Vallejo metal color. Yeah, I mean even or any or even their new formulation. So sure at any rate Okay, cool. What else we got in the news? Other things in the news like a we did a preview show that happened this last week. We did Yeah, the new we had the preview over the weekend. It was fantastic and amazing in the best preview show They've ever done. Hmm. I want to think about that Freudian slip there That's uh, it was it was absolutely wonderful for that slan ash many. Yeah, yes, clearly the best one we ever had The obviously new Sigvald the magnificent was beyond amazing The other models that they had in the line were also great Admittedly the twin souls need a little head-swip swap action, but that's okay Fortunately, it comes with other heads in the box. So that's a pretty low bar And we have at least four more units in the background of the shot that That we haven't seen yet. So excited for that That means we have a total of nine new mortal slan ash units being introduced there so Hopefully new book fingers crossed Yeah, I I'm you have my attention. That's what I'll say to you We're gonna get Tom into a mortal slan ash army. Just you wait. This is gonna be very exciting folks You know, I had said previously years ago that I really enjoyed the Celesk bottle. Yeah, sure and now With these new models, I like the direction of a lot of it. I love the helm. Yep As the They're they're called the sex executioners. Is that is that right? I guess that does seem to be the thing although that might have gotten us demonetized for like two days for you to me Saying the word so I appreciate it Sorry So we have those Yeah, I'm interested Like I I could I could you know, I could do a slan ash army. Yeah All right, so well, I'll get to it in hobby time. Yes It's exciting. Obviously also the new underworlds warband that was revealed was top-notch Yeah, fantastic chaos sculpts. Just just knocking out of the park all the way around So now what we need to know is when is the release date for this slan ash? Let's get that going. Let's get that rolling. Let's get this in my hands as quickly as possible So I can and so I can figure out what I've got to do with my shelf space my slan ash cabinet is full So I've got to start mate. Maybe I'll have to move the slaves to darkness portion out Maybe they need to get their own section in a different cabinet. We got to do some rearranging, but we'll get there I'm gonna call January 9th, okay, that's a very specific date. I like that you didn't Waver on the date there Tom and spend the next three minutes discussing the exact date So yeah, let's do it January 9th. That's the pre-order date, right? Uh, sure. Okay. Awesome. You heard it here first. So if Tom's right, we win something. I don't know what No, I pulled up a January calendar and went okay, it's not the second. Sure clearly so it's tonight. Yeah, there it is I'll believe it. I believe it. I that's what it is. Let's all set our hopes really really high excessively high for that day Okay Watch on beta breath. Yeah, and then if on the third Which is the Sunday before they don't announce the preview show then we riot there you go Or they don't announce the pre-order then we riot so easy. That's although did you did you see the I? Did you see that the like the Burning Man poster that they did? Yeah, I mean it tells me that clearly they're not coming that far away if they're putting up right funny posters for it now Right although like it it seems like it would have to be like it can't be this month or next no I would imagine it's got to be January Yeah, like they're not doing a big release before the end of the year Right, right. I can't imagine that they would they'll put out the other stuff and then that's it right it just it surprised me that we had the the poster This early like I would expect it in December, but not now. Oh geez. Well, look at there you go Mr. Meph said if Tom is right, he'll buy your sigfold for you. Wow That's putting some that's putting some money where your mouth is. Holy Moses Tom now has an investment in this in this guest being correct He said it has to be the ninth pre-order So okay to be dead on Okay, well Gw if you want me to start a new army move the date to the date to the ninth We've got him. We've got him this close Gw. Come on. Just help me get him over the line Alright What else do we have Yeah, so those all like winna up on pre-order Well, they're going up on here this Saturday, but yes, yeah, they're going up Yeah, so everybody's 210 except for gets which is 200 because of reasons Because it's less models in the box. It's only $295 I think Retail as opposed to the other ones which are like 308 or 312 So there's a slight difference in price there Right, and those are better than I thought Honestly, I thought they were gonna be more expensive than 210. I thought they were gonna move them up to like 225 I think I called 210 like on the nose, didn't I? You had originally told me that you thought it'd be higher than when I had said I think it I hope they're like 210 or 215 and you said you thought they'd be a little higher But anyway, it's it's fine. We like the point is is 20 I'm right there Yeah, sure the point is at 210 That actually gets you know if you get a place where you got a 20% discount or something like that Which lots of places are gonna offer these online with 20% discounts, right? That actually becomes quite an amazing deal because they're almost at they're basically at 30% off a little more than 30% off right now just like on the box Right from retail like the box ships at 30% off So if you take another like 40 ish dollars off of that from a 20% off deal And you get them for like 170. That's actually quite a good deal. Isn't this each box more? It's slightly more dollar wise. It's like 312 retail, but it's still 210 at least that's the number So so right I mean there might be now that's USD. I don't know if there's differences in other countries I'd like I'm pretty sure it's 125 pounds or something for all three of them and 120 for the gets one in the UK But again, I didn't look at all the international prices. So I'm sure in dollar reduce It's like seven thousand dollars for the all of them and then sixty five hundred for the gets one or something I don't know what the conversion rate is So if somebody asked me what my thoughts were on the KO Army box I Think that it is fantastic. Yeah, I was gonna say if you don't say it's fantastic. I'm gonna say it's fantastic Yeah, I mean what I would say is this like you're gonna get Brock But that doesn't mean anything because you can just convert him to a ender master Like do a head swap and you're like hey look. He's an ender master on with your Dirigible, right? You're gonna want to gun haulers, you know and like as an option You're not always gonna have to in a list, but often you like you're gonna like you will need to have to built as we will talk about it in a little bit and I mean six rigors like you can simply never have enough Rigors whether they're like skywardens or injured rigors like the reality is is that I have 27 painted Yeah, sure, I mean Great backbone they go well with the ender master with the ridgible suit and then you're a frigate is another super common inclusion in Most formulations of the army not every formulation has a frigate in it But it's a very common inclusion like there's no fat in that box that you don't see in most builds of the army Right, so that's why it's such a good box. Like it's a great It's a great starter box. Yeah, like if you already have the like getting started kit It's gonna be problematic because if you already have getting started you already have probably enough gun haulers gun haulers, right? Sure, right Yeah, but I Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible and like and even having like three gun haulers So like picking up the getting started with this isn't gonna be a problem because like three gun haulers That's just a that's just an escort wing battalion, right? So It's fine. Yep, as long as they stay at 130 they jump up back up to 150 Probably not I mean they're gonna like I don't know that the gun hauler will go up It doesn't feel like the one that needs to go back up to me when we talked about this little KO points will probably creep up. They'll give up some of their gains as it were, right? But I think that'll be Option to option and by the way, I could see a couple other things actually coming down So I don't know like some of the things that aren't showing up in current lists So it might not affect a lot of current lists like current lists might You know net increase But like if you talk total army ships, it might net even or something like that if that makes sense I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean like they are obviously putting out their strong presence in the meta right now That's a good way to say that yeah Yeah, it's so tough like with that frigate it's so tough because like if you put it higher I'm never going to buy one But as it's like where it's at it's it's advantageous. So like where it's a real question I think the yeah, I think that the ironclad could probably go back up a touch and I think the The like Endron Master could probably go back up a touch. Yeah, that's and that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about like move the ironclad back up 10 points move You know, like just a little stuff like that is probably what's gonna happen. Yeah, just tweak it up a little bit. Yeah, it'll be fine See the my honest answer is I don't know like I The the problem with the army is actually not the army at the spell in a bottle, but that's a different discussion Right at the time like warplightening vortex just needs to go up to 150. Yeah, absolutely Why did that ever go down? What in the good golly? Jebus words anybody thinking moving with this toxic spell down Like madness madness it should be like you could probably fix KO just by moving warplighting vortex up to 130 Like just 50 point it up and that solves that solves a lot of problems right there Instantaneously because then you're gonna take like demon rip or something instead, which is bad, but not as bad It's not warplighting vortex Right It's a toxic spell. It should have been unmade. It should have never been printed in the first place I've said it a hundred times. I love scaven and that spell is is toxic garbage. So there you go Normally the winter FAQ as it's you know, because obviously that's relevant here. Normally the winter FAQ would drop in First or second week in December first second week December, you know the other thing that could potentially happen by the way just an easy fix on the on an errata is Say that the the spell in the bottle has a maximum We can hold a endless spell of a maximum match play point value of 50. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Sure. Absolutely Which would be totally fair and functional and whatever cool Yeah, nipping in the bud then everybody would put purple Suns in it and I'm I'm about that life that sounds great Yeah, I mean it seems like a lot more reason you want to see how effective purple Suns are Let's go to pick of the week and I'll share my pick of the week and we can we can talk about just how how Useful or how how useful that will be As Tom is dealing with something in his home. You're right. Yeah, I'm good. Good. Let's go to pick of the week because that's all the news So What did you did you have something else you might discuss? No, I'm just I'm ruminating on what I'm what my pick of the week's gonna be no, that's fine Well, I have one what I'm gonna recommend is our our friends over at re-rolling ones Who this week put up an awesome two and a half hour like 9,000 point siege battle It was their big game to send off two-plus tough to send off Doug And it was a giant big wall force basically with a mega gargant Mercenary in there Against the combined forces of order they got out the old siege Castle which was really cool and Yeah, I mean if you want to see what the power of big why is it's on pretty good display if you want to see why the Star Drake the The smaller Star Drake is awesome because he has a bow Just watch that for the most heroic moment in the history of moments in battle reports It's like an hour 40 minutes in and I cheered out loud. I cheered Rerolling ones Jack who's in the chat right now became my hero when he remembered that I'm not gonna say anymore But if you want to see how useful purple Suns are just watch this bad report and then tally up the kill count It ain't high so there you go Great great great bat rep long fun and cool stuff Did you two weeks ago or a week ago? Did you choose halo twitches game balance lecture? No, I'm not sorry. I have not chosen it because it came out in between Oh, yeah, I did okay, so that's my pick Hey, watch which did a wonderful discussion of game balance and like why players are wrong for Trying to balance the game and why they they are not in a position to do it And you know yada yada and it's it is a you know It's the kind of thing that like you'd watch like you'd watch Vince for an hour talk about only Joe does a wonderful job And it's it's excellent and so I would invite you all to check it out And while you're there also check out his his ghetto animation. Please enjoy video as well Yeah, it's pretty great. The deep fake face mapping technology continues to be better As I saw that Emperor when they came out on the same day as well Yeah, so yeah, it's a Yeah, I cannot wait until we all just get to be saying and doing whatever we want at any point in time and all truth is destroyed In video format at any rate and we make other people do and say whatever we want them to yeah, that's what I'm saying Yes, yeah All right, so cool. Now that was fast a bit efficient Let's move to some hobby time Tom What have you been working on? He said knowing That you actually have been working on something I talked about the value of multiple gun haulers and In the midst of my list building I recognized that That I have a bunch of Like lists and all of them involve multiple gun haulers And I only have one mostly done and so I thought you know what it's time for me to start on another one and so I work started on my base in a base that only Vince can really appreciate. Yeah, sure It's a very tall base for a very I forget how small the actual gun hauler is. Yeah, there you go He's like a little baby He's a little baby Very nice, that's that's my work How many gun haulers is too many gun haulers? Not not there is how many fit in the list maximum like That many all of them all of them is the right answer So there's there's like with things like that that don't fill an actual slot or take up any room There's no reason to ever stop can't stop won't stop. That's what I say For my hobby time, I have nothing to hold up to the camera I because I all my stuff is off my desk right now I finished up a bust that's like right back here that you can't see very well, but it's behind me I finished up the Cult of paint Door guard bust. I'll share it out tomorrow on the holiday Super fun bust D D or guard D or guard. I don't know At any rate, so that was a lot of fun And then today I painted two big pieces of terrain that are over there drying because I put a big oil wash on them And then wiped them down So I had these two big pieces of terrain that I've been sitting around that were only primed and I said You know what? I finished up that project I didn't want to start anything new because I'm waiting on something to arrive So I just knocked those out real quick in a day because terrain is fast fun and easy and as well Over here Sorry over here beside me. I've got this guy Which this is obviously still on sprue, but it's a this is the Lord on karkadrak. I already have one painted this is my other one and We're gonna paint him up in a test scheme for my new mortals of Slenesh I have an idea for what I want their color scheme to look like and you're not gonna do the wine No, not for them No, three separate forces That's the slaves force. It can be either like I have full armies of all of it So I mean I don't I haven't totaled up how much Slenesh I actually have So I need to do that sometime like how much raw Sort of heat nights or demons or whatever you want to say of Slenesh do I have Versus like how much is in slaves it all get all mixes in it's like a big stir stew You know, I probably need to divide it of like what's pure heat night and then what's broader Slenesh, you know because those are technically two separate buckets and No, this this will be a different colors Why why would I paint more of the same stuff Tom? I have a full army for that done So that it all looks good together It'll look fine together It's fine. Hey things don't need to be the same color. It's okay. It'll have a different basic scheme too Tom. It's fine I Still might pick up a couple cherry. It's actually for that for that for my crimson cabal Just because I might pick up one of those Gresh garishks The box with three chariots in it Just because I want to play that as because I have a whole bunch of cast nights for that army And I want to just know it as as ruin bringer or whatever the one that's all impact hits on the charge So yeah, this will be a test for my new mortal Slenesh color scheme So there you go. I'm gonna work on tomorrow when I'm sitting in my house alone. So No, it's fine. Don't pity me. It's all good more than happy to be doing it It's fine Okay, so obviously a lot of hobbying going on and yes I that that actually clears all the terrain I have waiting I have a bunch of extra like non-painted terrain that's kind of sitting around that could be basing or could be terrain I might put some more of that together so I can vary up my table some more but anyway Let's get on to thank you or janky. Shall we Thanksgiving? Spectacular here we go. So let's review the year and talk about what is to come or what we saw and Whether it's thank you or whether it's janky so for that we need to switch pictures you need to bring that up as we begin the year and Yeah, I mean the This has been not as full of a year as 2019 How about that? true was it was 2019 was a more full year of releases perhaps. I think we all know why that was there might have been a little bit a Plague there was a plague. There might have been a little bit of a global pandemic going on. Yes So despite that Looking back when I was going through this and building up this sort of Role of images. I thought like yeah, okay, you know what? Wasn't that bad? That was my that was my impression. We mentioned KO earlier So let's start off the year with Aether War Right, that's where we began our year with this big box set of Aether War Zeech versus KO all the flying things go fight each other So Tom What's that what's your take on Aether War looking back it introduced your Endred master with the original suit which that was that was a great day I'm gonna say janky Okay Because it feels like and I don't want to start the show off negative but We basically got no new units. Well, I mean other than again that guy That guy sure But like a lot of the things that we were asking about like boats with hero keywords or named boats or any of those other things The a lot of worships like Brock still remained useless sure I Like I like the new boat rules for the most part Like it just like it was just like it was a miss for me Um And like and I had said that then and I stand by that. Um, didn't have a lot of new units didn't Um Yeah Yeah Yeah, I'm going janky for a different reason on this one Uh, here's what here's why here's why I'm rating this one a janky. Okay. Yeah, and it's because you didn't get enough That's what I just said. I I died. No, no, no not to the army. I mean in the box Oh, you're just saying a through war specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay a through war specifically Like I wanted more stuff in here. I felt like this I feel like this falls into that Sometimes these double boxes you'll be like, okay, that's the appropriate amount of stuff Or I like what that is sometimes you look at these boxes and you're like It's so few models, right? There's just not a lot of stuff in here Like I I like both the new heroes. I actually think they were great. Uh, they're fun. Yeah, I think they're both super cool um Like that is the new hero I wanted like out of everything Like they gave me the one hero that I wanted which was an unnamed like, uh, like a generic bubble guy So like I'm down for that. Uh, I just wish there was more Or that's what my request was, you know, I I had 13 units or whatever now I have 14 Yeah, like and they all mostly do the same thing still sure sure sure. It's fair Yeah, so that's why I'm giving it a janky just because it didn't have enough like when they do these these double boxes These dual boxes or whatever they're called. I want to see actually these Have value in it, right? Like have at least weight of plastic in it that felt like it's so elite And because it's all going for flying stuff. It's just hard to look at this and go. Oh, yay. Okay, so I spend $200 on this box Yeah, and I get like 18 figs Right Like, uh That's a lot of cardboard. That's rough. That is rough Like when I start collecting I understand count is just is you know is Not a fair measure of this. Okay, like I get it But it kind of does still have some kind of weird anchoring psychological weight to it, you know Yeah, just like drop in 10 um 10 arco and 10 Like pink horse and I'm a buyer and instantly I like boom. This is thank you like that like that. Yeah Yeah, they could just be two junk units like that and I'm like, yep, great Could be two let's go let's go even worse They could do 10 of the little because with pinks you got to also have like blues and brims and crap Oh, yeah, just do one box of the blues and brims No, I just 10 of the uh, the arcanites or whatever the little the little Fire throwers and 10 arcoes like so they kind of match up, right? It's both kind of your your your uber battle lines And I'd be like, yeah Yeah, okay. Now now now it's a value right like just that easy Uh, so it was more just like the psychological distribution. Yeah of the plastic like I look at this and I'm like this is No, there's no universe where this feels like a good deal You know, I bought the fleshier quartz versus Skaven one, right? Yep, and ended up splitting that but that felt like it came like enough like when I split that between The price point it was at and then split two ways because I ended up sharing the the fleshier quartz half with somebody else I was perfectly happy with my purchase. I felt like yeah This is the I ended up paying about 60 bucks or 65 bucks or something for for all that Skaven plastic and I was like, yeah, this feels right, you know So yeah, it was a good deal for me because I ended up with when I opened it. There were two archwarlocks in mine Oh, yeah, which deal? Archwarlocks you mean bombardiers, but yes No, well, no, there were two um Of the yeah, it was two bomb. It was two bombardiers. I know exactly what it was some I know your life better than you do Yeah, uh, and I sold a bunch and I sold them for a lot. Yeah, sure. Sure Absolutely. All right, cool. So so janky from both of us rough start to the year uh All right Okay, next up wrath of the ever chosen Okay all right, so Tom tell me about wrath of the ever chosen. What what do you think about this one? janky Wow, okay, did not expect that. Tell me why I wanted more out of it all right Like I think about like when I if I think if I'm gonna buy a book I want it to have the weight of like the marathi book And It doesn't Okay, like it does for some chaos armies but like They could have easily given the narrative slipped in a thing for oc arc in there, right? Sure. I suppose. Yeah Um, and so like it just it didn't have very much enduring value for me. Gotcha Yeah, this is a big. Thank you for me. Uh, we're split decisioning this one. I love this book to this day Um, you know if we're not doing a big series like broken realms with marathi These are exactly the kind of books I'd want to see once a year and I like them focused on a single sort of grand alliance as it were I suppose um This this infused so much excitement into lots of different chaos factions Um giving nergal sub faction options Uh stuff that frankly is the only current playable slanesh stuff Uh rob. I see you rob. Honest wargame or rob. You can shut your mouth on the slanesh talking about it Like we only got one nerf and we're just fine Okay, I hear you I see you you're wrong at any rate, uh the the the most playable stuff in here is Uh, the most playable stuff that's still in slanesh is in here. Um, cool options for for corn We're in there zinch was the only one who really looked at this and went Because they already have four or five sub factions in their book that are Bisonkers and and perfectly valid highly competitive options So so it was very hard to compete with that Um, that being said, there's fine if you there's certain narrative things that these do that you like um The narrative in it was super cool. Uh, it was fun to watch catechrose get uh get shucked like corn By archae on the ever chosen Um It's fun to see how stupid the elves are in this book Okay Um, there's a let me let me and I'll proof point this I'm not just gonna say that This this book starts with us with like a small side story Taking place in the in the umbral realm in between Hayish and um Ulgu and slanesh is all chained up And each one of the chains has its own mystical Protection on it to prevent it from being shattered Okay A different puzzle per chain if you've ever played it's like a d&d Thing sure right and The story starts out with their like with them folk with archae on coming and killing a bunch of realm lords, which is great and then He rolls up to one of these chains and the the trick The protection on the chain Is that somebody who has the patronage of corn is the only one who can shatter it and no follower of corn would ever help slanesh and i'm like Did you guys just forget about that archae on exists like that's when you did this Was that is techless this stupid? It's amazing It's incredible That that that was that that was ever thought about as like yeah, this got him now Got him got him So anyway, I love the narrative of the book. It is fun to watch catacross and ladio roll in and like take over one of the the eight points and Hold the gate and like turn it into a Manufacturing house for death. So yeah, I mean to me. This was a giant win. I I got to play this in one tournament right away in february really enjoyed the army Still have used it many more times in my personal game sense. You know there hasn't been any tournament since february show So that was good Tristan says narrator techless was in fact that stupid Yes, indeed. I I cracked my book for the review And I haven't I haven't pulled off my shelf since Wow, wow. No, this one. I mean again, keep in mind. I have every chaos army except nergal Usually in multiple variants Right as we were just discussing between, you know, I have a full Like a massive zinch army in slaves of darkness mixed with some zinch demons I have a full heat knight army With a bunch of both heat knights and then slaves of darkness in zinch. I have two full corn armies, you know both demons and mortals bloodbound whatever you want to say so You know like this is It's your jam. This is my jam. Yeah, they were speaking to me And as i'm saying like that's why I like them doing these kinds of books. I think they should you know if they if they next year came out with like, um Whatever the whatever the next thing is going to be called, you know on the other side of broken realms or whatever, right? If they came out with one whatever we're in then because it won't be the soul wars anymore It'll be the new thing. So if they came out with like new thing, um, the fist of gork Or something like that, right? And it was destruction focused and added a bunch of interesting stuff going on to destruction and had a cool narrative about If that's where like the shattering of ex Celsius Happened or whatever like that would be cool and then you could do it all in destruction Like I don't mind these being done like that because then there's a whole Sort of quadrant Not exactly, but you know what i'm saying of the gamer population that gets a lot of love and attention and focus on them and story development and that's fine But like that's not your that's not the majority of your base I mean my necessity. It's not yes. Yes. Yeah And so like what happens for the rest of us like again, I picked it up because I i'm like reviewing it and stuff like that, but I like i'm not like I don't like Yeah, it just it didn't draw me right and so uh Yeah, it was just it was a mess for me. All right fair enough I saw a lot of thanky's in the comments. So, uh, you know, and that's fine. And if you love it You know more power to you. Yeah. Yeah, of course as always. These are our own personal thanky's or jankies. You will have your own Personal thanky's or jankies. That's the whole point Okay All right next up seraphon Yeah, remember that happened this year I mean we'd all like to forget Tom kick us off No, you can go first sure uh I'm gonna say a thank you for the seraphon book despite Uh, lots of evidence to the contrary And here's the reason i'm saying thank you for seraphon. It was a cool book. It was a great book In its overall design It added a lot of interest to a lot of different units It added a lot of uh, like it took a lot of units and said um You know, here's some fun ways to play with this. It gave me back my skink chief on stegodon the thing I've wanted back forever It inspired me to do a whole seraphon army and paint up a seraphon army in 24 hours, which I did, right? And I've played this army a bunch and had a lot of fun with it Where it's clearly busted sideways Is points, right? Things like crook being too cheap The salamanders being too cheap and then even after adjusted up probably still too cheap Skinks being too cheap, right? Like everything in this army is too cheap. It was under pointed like madness And and how the same design studio can make this book at those points and go That's right And then later on in the year make sons of behemoth and feel like they've made two products that are in like the same That belong in the same game Is mystifying to me Now that aside All of the bones of this book are right and everything in here that's wrong can be fixed with points So that's why it's a thank you for me And i'm hoping by the by that we only have about two weeks until this seraphon battle tome gets fully fixed and we're And we're in an a plus position Tom, what do you got? I'll say thank you Okay Because I like the pyramid The pyramid is cool. By the way, I use my pyramid as just regular terrain every game Right, right, right. No, absolutely. Like I like the pyramid I like um, I like the cola not the coalesce the Do you like the teleporters or the ones that reduce damage? The reduced damage ones. That's the coalesce Yeah, I like the coalesce like I like the jungle the jungles seraphon And so I love the reintroduction of that. So I appreciate all of those things I supremely do not like what this did to the map Yeah, obviously like absolutely and that's where we can I mean we all know that This was that this book is wildly unbalanced wildly unbalanced But the the irony being that like when this came out in the wake of zinch Because zinch also dropped and you skipped it. Um, no, that was december Zinch came over december it was Were they really yeah, they were no Yeah, they were the end of the year Doesn't matter we can we can go back and talk about zinch and ko if you want that's fine Um, but regardless like in the wake of zinch Like this just didn't seem that bad. Sure sure I I like maybe I maybe i'm misremembering when I when I started off the year It looked like zinch and ko had come out at the end of december I thought that's what the release date was. No, no the aether war came out with the those two books That all dropped together. Hmm. Hmm. Well, if that's right, I apologize everyone Uh I I I may be wrong on that. Uh, if if so, we'll go back and talk about them right after this. That's fine We'll do them next. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that all dropped together as a single release. Um And Let's find out They are labeled as 2020 books. You are correct. I apologize. I am sorry everybody. How could I have missed that? So We maybe because the last eight months have felt like the last million years and january feels like just Just a lifetime ago. So I apologize everybody, which is true. Um so, uh So I go back and with my statement on seraphon. Yeah, is that like it just seemed Okay, you know, that's par for the course like with seraphon because of zinch But like seraphon in its own Like framework and compared with everything else. It's just it was so out of whack as was zinch. Right. Yeah that, um I just Yeah, uh, so like I will say thank you because I like the other elements that were introduced I hate the fact that we didn't have more real models Sure, like it was just another like here. Keep your bad fine cast models. Sure Like we were sure that they were going to have a good update Yeah, with good models and the book was good. It's just a shame. They didn't have the models like again The bones of the book are good. The points were wrong Like the way they design sub factions is how sub factions should be designed Right. Yeah, where it's not just like some broad bonus. It's like, hey, this is the one that's like playing monsters And it only buffs these particular monsters and stuff like that, right? This is the one that's about if you like sorus and want to do a big sorus warrior army Here's the one for you, right? And they have very specific ways that they work and kind of And and kind of direct your army building and open up new play styles beautiful they just completely whiffed on the points All right, like and and and they did they're like the same curse that they always do Is they take like their worst models and pair them with the best rules? So just like the prior month when we got Marauders, sure sure because that was that was december So in december, we got marauders with crazy rules and then now Then we got flamers with crazy rules and then we got salamanders with crazy rules Right, right all like those last two being fine cast models Yeah I I agree, but still thank you. All right, let's go back to aether world. I'll use this as the screen for it Since this is zinch and k.o. I really thought that they were like right before the end of the year So i'm sorry everybody, but they work 2020. So let's talk about Zinch and k.o came out at the same time, but we'll split them individually zinch. Let's do that one first tom janky, sorry sure like Like it was just it was such a miss to me the meta and like again Like when I was talking about aether war the reason why I said janky was I was actually rating k.o. Yeah, um, but But it to me like all of it was janky because it was a miss on a bunch of different levels And that's what was so frustrating is that zinch was so over the top Compared to k.o. Which was dropping at the same time doing very similar things Um and then like the units that I want to use like um Like I want to use the skyfires Right, and they're still pretty mediocre Like I want to do an all zangor army and it just still doesn't feel like you can do that in zinch sure Sure, and so like the things that I want to do with the book Like I want to buy the new models and use the sweet-looking models all together as the zangor army And it's just pretty lackluster. Yeah Zinch is gonna get a janky for me as well because it was just It's it was another release another bite at the apple on a supremely unfun army to play against like I can think I I get to play zinch quite a bit As you know, there's a good friend of both of ours who's in my group of people who who I play with on the rig here now and And you know, he has a zinch army Always uses lots of pinks And always uses change hosts and stuff like that Which is fine. I don't mind at all like I'm happy to play the guys great guy great guy great list uh and But it's just It's just the the worst to play against. It's like here. Okay. It's my turn There goes a thousand points to your army Meanwhile, the other thousand points is stuck fighting my bubblegum soldiers That when you kill I'm just going to spend 20 minutes replacing with other models and then other models. Yeah And then if you don't wipe them to a model I'm going to like cast spells and just 30 more wounds are back in the unit What happened there, baby? It's crazy. It's crazy, right? That's so weird Uh, no supremely unfun to play against like I don't know what the version of zinch looks like. That's fun. Probably one that focuses more on Hancor and stuff like that. I think people should be looking back at skyfires and being like, well, never mind. That was fine Right It was better than this So Yeah, yeah, just like the way Everything was under costed. Everything was too damaging. Everything in zinch is annoying It's janky in the highest way And and nothing in the book helped that Right. It's like, hey, do you love NPE? Well, here's an army for you Piss off all your friends Uh, yeah At any rate, uh, so let's talk about the chaos side Thank you, janky I had said it like it was janky because I didn't have enough force curls I only got the ender and master. I didn't get any terrain or any endless spell equivalents or anything like that Um, I it just it felt so off compared to zinch Um, like and again, you know, like everybody's heard this so I don't want to like pound this drum too much Like I only like we didn't get any name ships. We didn't get any ships with baked in heroes like the steam commander Um, like it just seemed like such a miss on so many levels Um, and it was just it was just it was as a KO player. It was supremely disappointing Uh, oh, I'll answer a chat here. Uh, so augustin says is the new christmas ogre box worth a buy. I think so Yeah, I think it's I think it's a actually a really good box I don't know about the giant that's following them around but It's fine. I'm sure there's a son's of bahamut player who wants that giant Yeah, like trade that guy for some few more ogres and you're good to go Uh, like that's a really weird inclusion in that box. I don't know what they they keep just throwing in this random giant But that being said, I actually quite like the box Um, if you happen to also wanting to be doing a sons of bahamut army as people often with destruction armies Like destruction as a whole say like somehow myself. I don't know how this happened that I ended up with three destruction armies I love it. I love it. You're welcome. Yeah, indeed. It all started with the iron jaws and went downhill from there But yeah, I think it's worth buy absolutely. Um But I really think that is I'm going to be actually asking for that box for Christmas. So there is so That's as good as I can tell you um KO was a thank you to me, but it crosses the line at 51% Okay And what I mean by that is it's and this is going to it's the dark mirror of something. I'm going to talk about later Okay, it is the It's the worst written tome Full of a very functional fun army if you could navigate the The near impregnable walls of how to actually play this force No, god, okay yep Yes, yes, Augustin. It is a great base for an ogre army. Absolutely. Yes Lots of glutton's Good, you know, you get iron guts. You get the tyrant. You get the whole deal. Yes. It's a good base It's a great. It's a great base for the non The non vcr side the vsclaw raiders, but it pairs so perfectly with the star collector vsclaw raiders box Like you get those two you put them together. It's up. It's just a match made in heaven right there. Okay, so anyways The KO box is like Or KO box, right the KO book is frustrating to read Full of like notes that should have been there like designer notes on how garrisoning works and just a bunch of stuff like that Yep, it's full of like weird minutia bonuses. It's almost meta honestly in its archaic esoteric arcane code language, right because they are themselves these people who who are like these ultra bureaucratic capitalists who rely on very like distinct specific codes and languages and exceptions and laws and stuff And that's almost how the book reads. I don't I don't think that was intentional, but it does feel like that Yep, it if that's intentional that is the most meta Design that is like meta meta design right there, but at any rate um nonetheless Uh, I think it is a fun interesting army and I like that it exists. It's cool models Despite the fact that it's mostly shooting. I like that it exists Like is it hard to play against? Yeah, it is But it's not as unfun as each like not even close Like I've played both of these armies You know many times and I have so much more fun Fighting KO because if like if I can get ahold of them if I can catch them out if I can get them wounded I can get them Right, there's no if I kill them. They don't just pop back into existence for no reason Right. So like, yeah, there's lots of armies that shoot and yes, they're really good at shooting and I like it when iron clads go Uh Big boom blast a bastard that sounds fun. Like it's super cool So and also their KO is awesome in cities. So Which is a double win for me So there you go. Okay. So now we covered KO and zinge. There you go. I apologize everybody I really thought that was in here. I should have checked the should have checked the lexa the lexacum there of all the book releases That was my fault All right, so now let's catch back up. We talked seraphon and uh Next up I've got lumeneth realm lords these aren't always in exact order because I had to kind of piece stuff together But we're gonna talk lumeneth next Okay, oof They were the next battle to them obviously Although lumeneth had this weird You know broken very sort of unusual release in that you know when the The big white box came out versus when the army actually released was vastly different, but Yeah, whatever all right lumeneth tom Your vote and why? What do we got? uh Yes Uh, I'm gonna say you know people love on the internet tom dead air. I know I know I'm gonna say thank you That's the correct answer because I've been waiting Five years for elves and it's just a Stockholm syndrome talking The reality is is that I was discontent enough with them that I simply did not make an army and I'm sitting on two collectors boxes Smartly holding them because if they do the right thing This arm is gonna be incredible, but at any rate keep going Right because it seems like half of an army And um And so I'm thanky that it exists and I'm thanky that That they're that they're willing to be bold with their design decisions on elves. Yep even if I Supremely hate the decisions that have been made No, I think that's a good attitude right like because you want them to have this creativity Because in the end when they're doing these kinds of creatives imaginative things that feel like they're Part of age of sigmar we get better products in the long run for people who are going to follow them up with stuff, right? Right For me, this is a thanky. I think this army's fun. Uh, I think it's a Cool army. I like that they did three units that just feel honestly like they walked Basically straight out of the old world into age of sigmar like they had their designs amped up slightly like they were they were to me So this by this I mean the dawn writers the sentinels and the wardens, right? Who all feel like the slaves to darkness evolution of the original old world sculpts? Right. Yep. Yep. Yep. They feel like high elves through and through like they are They are unimaginative techless reimagining his old friends and servants, right and subjects But then they also went but what if we also did cows? Hold on. What if we throw yaks in here too? And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. What and they're like, yeah, yeah, look we're gonna do We're gonna do dudes with hats on hats and They're gonna be hammer wielders. I'm like, okay, this is this is correct And also there's a cow who is a mountain and it walks around it's a cow mountain and I'm like Oh, I'm sorry. What and they're like also there's a dead guy, but he's an empty suit of armor What what are we doing here? And I'm like, this sounds great Please do all of this and look the fact that we're getting a second half of slanesh Yeah, yeah Here's here's the reality of the thing They cannot just introduce new armies forever Or are they going to completely redesign ranges Right, right Yep, there has to be like they know that they need to keep making products And those two aren't like remaking a whole army. It depends on how popular it was Right if they feel like it's got a huge fan base to it that's been underserved I'll uh ninth edition 40k and necrons, right then sure but If they the other thing they can do is add on to armies Especially where they've left themselves smartly room to go Like they're by the way, this this army isn't set up for just one expansion. This army set up for three Like you need the rest of the tecla You need the the rest of the teclean on nations. Yep that bareman's Yeah, it's really got two out of the four teclean nations, right? You got two out of the four teclean nations and then you have Four tear or tyrannic nations four tyrannic nations and so Um or no, no, no, no, we have the nations We don't have the like this the elemental spirits. Sure, right? However, you want to yes There's lots of room there for continued expansion through right both obviously the The wardens and the sentinels and the dawnriders feel like they could be they'll generically fit into both teclean and teclastic forces, right? Yes, yep light of eltharian and stuff like that feels like teclas's little theft from tyrann honestly Yeah, sure, but there's so much more space here and and we already have seen it right Uh, we saw it in the underworld's war band that got previewed that's releasing next month with that incredible sword master Incredible. Yeah, so like just do that You know what I mean like you've clearly already laid down the template Right, so we don't even need tyrion is my point like I know a lot of people think about the expansion to this as being tyrion coming out I don't think that's the case Right, I know. I think they'll keep their powder dry on tyrion. I think he's year Yeah, I think you're you're in a way Yeah, yeah, he's the next edition Like he's the next edition lumineff if it's still the same book, right? Um Instead what we're likely seeing here is we're seeing We're gonna see The rest of the spirits that are teclas related Yeah, so you're gonna see river and you're gonna see um I don't know more wind more zenith Well zenith is selenar, so we already saw some of that See, I don't know we'll see we're gonna see some more spirits and it'll be neat and I'll be excited There's a lot of space still to grow with this army I think lumineff it laid down a strong foundation It was a great success in that they have four sub factions all of which are well Five sub factions four sub factions. I don't remember how many they have most of them are compelling There was only one I thought that wasn't up to snuff, which is pretty great Like that's it. That's a high bar that we haven't often been hitting. Okay Yeah, I would agree with that. Um, so I'm hoping that Yeah, that there's that there's hope in the future for different and more Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's what I'll say and even though with teclas they introduced a spell dom like another spell dom, right? Yeah, well, we haven't gotten to teclas yet Well, we can we can talk us about some individual Elements of the army for me. I'm thanky about every fig they made except teclas who is a hardcore janky Right like he is Sub sub janky He is like a dom janky It's it's yeah He's at the head of the line Like in the pyramid scheme of janky. He's at the top I just simply can't Articulate how bad of a miss he was for me Like I would have been at the front of the line for a for a reimagined teclas model if it hadn't been what we got Yeah, sure. Um, and so for me for me like it like and let me just say that some of the arm repositioning that I've seen has really helped Like when they do his arms down like it was in the art. It's actually like a lot better like a lot better. Sure. Um So that's where I'm at Like I just like it like some of that stuff was just a bridge too far for me. I get it I I love the yak dudes. I think they're great. Uh, I I saw teclas for the first time when I was in australia at canton And a os shorts dan recently reshared the picture Of him myself and coach all standing there on his ipad flipping through the images I must have laughed for like five minutes straight when I saw that model That's that's crazy town that model, but but thank you for the rest Yeah, yeah And so I'm just like the cowbells. I'm about them. I'm living that life. I'm standing them hard I know you're not a fan. I think they're some of the coolest models. They've done in aos That's get the hell out of here Get the hell out of here. You know what you can have a great imagination and it's still be unmarketable I think well people like the cow mountains. I wouldn't I wouldn't broadcast your own Perceptions of it. They're too broad those things. Uh, I suspect Just like have sold pretty well just from the number. I've seen shared on social media I know I am not alone. Let me say that I'm sure you're not but again That's what you want. You want a lot of you want a lot of loves and some hates That's how you that's how you get a winner Right uh aesthetically it is just the worst for me, but that's fine I like some of the other stuff and I'm open to maybe doing an army in the future Sure, uh, I will buy one of those at some point Because I want to do one. I want to use one for a conversion for a vermin lord war bringer I think I love lord war bringer. I love that mountain that cow mountain As much as you love nergal like I want you to hear that I hear it. I get it But I also understand That I am in the minority on that opinion because people love nergal So that's fine That's I get that I get your sense there tom. I'm with you. I empathize with you. I hear you Okay But also I know people love nergal despite my undying hatred for that goopy nonsense Okay Yep Skate says cow mountains are the only thing I like about lumeneth. Yes. That's that's the right answer Best sculpt in the range Uh, okay, so at any rate Uh, all right. That's yes twos and nines all twos and nines Uh, okay So, yeah lumeneth both thanky though with some different sub jankies in there depending on what we're talking about General's handbook 2020 we can also talk about any of the points adjustments that came in at this time too, of course Uh, right out of the top. I'm gonna let you go in a second. I'm gonna let you finish Okay, I'm gonna let you finish but Um Janky Heart like the the ghp itself. Thank you But uh at all hold on get the hell out of here. But wait, I thought But wait, let me get this out. I'm gonna let you finish but wait The way they released the points this year was nonsense. Stop that Stop it right now. Stop releasing half the points in a tiny book with no purpose That comes out with a bunch of wrong points knowingly Wrong printed points. You are printing a book that is 50 percent Known wrong Right, that's what's happening there And then three weeks later you're going here's the other 50 percent corrected and you knew that was going to happen When you sent it to the printer Okay, stop it. Just put out all the points in a pdf We'll all still buy the general's handbook. I set it at the time I'll say it again now Okay, now go tom why I loved it. I loved all of it I can like I hate that they did the point thing. Whatever. That's fine. I loved the scenarios I love the anvil. Yeah, I loved everything that they did with the general's hand I love that they even put it like again, they separated the points out into a throwaway staple booklet Yes, now if only they just make him a free pdf. We'd be on board Or by the by I'll pay separately for it I'll give you like two dollars for the pdf if that's what you really want. Okay fine Just which they do anyways because when they FAQ they give you all the free points anyways, right, right It just makes no sense that like it makes no sense that 50 percent of the year all the points are free And then one time you got to pay for 25 percent. It's just At any rate 25 percent of half of the units. Yeah, it's um Yeah, it's the best. Uh, you know what? Uh, again, yes make the points free, but the book itself I just loved it. I think gw did a great job. The scenarios are great. Yep Um The changes to realm rules as much as we hate them are great Yeah, other than the artifacts the realms themselves are so much fun to play with now We use realms in every one of our weekly games Yeah in my in my glove games and they're always fun And the realm artifacts like those were their own balance issues and I understand the concerns and all that That's fine. Um I mean the solution to that by the way like if they if they just want to fix that get rid of realm artifacts completely Just jettison that concept and just make a list of six generic Uh artifacts for each grand alliance. That's how you do that. Sure. Sure Like so like whatever the generic order artifacts are Every order army can take those in addition to their normal list. Sure and just put them in the core rules When you print 30 next year. Yeah, yep, that that's the answer. That's how you fix that That's how it you know, like that that resolves it. Um I loved it. I love the book. No, I agree. That's what i'm saying big. Thank you for the the ghb itself Right, that's why I only wanted to start with the subject But that's not one other way But that you you opened with jankiness I and I know like as as content as a whole It was simply Like i'm thanking for it. It was a great product. I agree completely I'm disappointed that we don't actually get to use it Uh, sure. I mean, I've gotten a lot of use out of this book. So sure Uh, but I get it. We have net tournaments, which is a shame Uh, and we probably won't for like we here in the states at least one for a couple more months Uh, the australians are over there having a great time with this book right now I believe coach is going to a tournament in two days with uh, with the sons of bahama list He's gonna be playing so good on him apparently their nation knows how to be socially responsible Well, you know, whatever whatever, uh Good luck coach. I hope you I hope you take the prize with your take or tribe Um, yeah, ghp was fantastic. I love anvil. I've made lots of anvil heroes. It's super fun. Uh, I Like the aerial battle thing was whatever who cares, but I'm sure somebody's enjoying it And I don't care that you print it in there. It doesn't hurt me any Well, no, I love that they can experiment. I love that they can play with it I love that they can like throw those rules in and they're going to rotate out next year and that's fine Yeah, but they but they're willing to be you know adventurous The scenarios this week cannot get this sorry this year cannot give them enough praise There's probably You know one or two in there that are questionable, honestly Out of the the 12 which is not bad because that means you've got like 10 rock solid scenarios that compare with the Six and the in the main book that I think are all solid So, I mean, we just have an overwhelmingly good amount of scenarios easy to make a five game tournament full of good scenarios That's not hard at all Uh, as you said, I back your play on the realms I think the realm again for getting the realm artifact thing, which whatever It's totally separate discussion The realms themselves are fun. They do cool stuff Uh, yeah, I mean this book was a win right Yep So to me this was a this was a banner year for the general's handbook I agree Uh, so yeah, there you go Cool Uh, right on So here we want to take a little bit of a a little bit of a step away from our normal aos content and talk a little bit about the underworld's New warbands for this year And here I've got the the coven obviously the daughters of kane warband But this is meant to represent kind of all of them that have come out. So, you know also the um The iron jaws and everything else that's come out this year and whatnot, right? yep I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for this stuff Because even though I don't play underworlds All of these sculpts they're doing for underworlds are so Incredible It's so clearly the sculptors get to just have fun with these because they're in a small group It adds so much variance like even if you're not using them For their purpose these are great to buy and mix into your army To use as like, you know, you pick this up and boom You've got a new awesome unique hag queen to to put in your force, right? You can mix some of these girls into your into your existing units uh They same by the way for the the iron jaws one. I think was also super cool for the same reason You know, I'm excited very much so for like the slaves one that we'll be getting For the new this is still in it's upcoming, but it's still in this year It's the december stuff that's already been revealed, which is like the luminous one We already talked about how incredible that sword master is the slanesh one with the incredible slangor hopefully I believe heralding a unit of slangor we're going to get for the for the army I don't know if they'll be like Slangor slan bowls we'll see They might be bigger like they might do variants on different kinds of gore or different kinds of beasts, right? So maybe like zinch gets the regular gore and slanesh gets the bigger cows really the sort of minotaur size who knows who knows? um But all of these have just been amazing. They've killed it this year Sculpts are beautiful. I don't play underworld. So I really don't care about those rules, right? And every so often they do make one that's kind of fun and useful in aos but either way I continue to think these are an absolute Brilliant gem and I'm so glad that these all exist and and keep getting made so Yeah Huge thank you tom. What about your thoughts? Uh, I loves them. Yeah I picked this one because I mean this is like this is a plus stuff. It's so incredible Yep, yep Yeah, yep I'm in absolutely hard. Thank you from both of us on the underworld's war bands. Please keep it up All of you underworlds players keep please keep enjoying yourselves and buying the This stuff as well so that the sails get nice and boosted and they keep they keep making them So we can dream of getting the other armies. Hopefully this year Like maybe a scaven one with a new plastic rat ogre would be incredible Or if the sorus one has a plastic Uh, I'm gonna call him a kroyger because I want to but crocsigore, right Um The uh, that would be incredible, right like things like that can actually be huge because like if you made a new Plastic rat ogre that didn't suck and people didn't have to try to hunt up the island of blood ones or use the old terrible metal ones Oh, that'd be great. That'd be great. So yeah big. Thank you Lots lots lots more armies to explore with underworlds. That's for sure Okay Next up. Oh, that's right. The big boys the big stompy boys are here tom The sons of behemots Okay So, uh, you start us off on this tom I'm thanky. Okay. I'm thanky. I'm thanky. They exist. Um, I I'm I'm vince. I'm glad that you got the army. You've always wanted Yeah, sure I you know like I remember when you built your giant army and that's what you wanted and like that about the battalion of the bahamut You know like stuff and You were super excited And they're here and they're they're pretty good Like as far as a model line goes sure. Yep. Yep. Yeah So i'm thanky Very good I'm so torn on this. I can't even begin to describe how torn I am on this one I went back and forth 10 times today between thanky and janky on this. Okay And if you really put like a gun to my head and made me vote I would come down thanky, but by the slightest of margins Okay So i'm gonna say thanky, but understand that's like 50 point 000 000 1% All right Yep, because I have never Disliked an army. I love more That's the best way I can put it Okay I want to really dissect what I just said there. I've never disliked an army. I love more I finished this army like I got my 2k. I have an extra one waiting on me I have another big boy waiting on me and I'm gonna do it So I'll have you know 2,500 points 3 megas and six six babies I hate Or strongly dislike at least Every choice they made in the design of the rules of this book They had so many fun options they could have chosen and they chose the opposite okay The design of the sub factions is nonsensical They should have looked like slaves to darkness. We had easy templates for this and they messed it up Okay, the way it dictates your general the way it segments everything off I made my list during the sons of badmout review that you weren't here for tom of the 26 things this army doesn't have And every time I build this army I get so frustrated Hey, it sounds like me. I know It's so much deeper. Okay, because with KO you're making lots of choices All right, and your complaint is I can't fit all of these other different interesting choices I have that I that I could want would want into my single list Right, like there's trade-offs. This isn't that I'm not making trade-offs. That's not the problem. I don't mind trade-off armies, right? I play scaven you do that all the time now with current scaven points Which are finally correct and balanced except a few other bad things need to go down But like Where I'll be like, oh, I can't fit this extra thing in. Do I really take 40 clan rods? Like those are standard trade-offs in army building. I'm down with that This is like, oh, I would just like to build an army that actually does damage. That is not possible That wasn't in the cards for this right This army is Like has such a unidimensional way to play and I know you talk about that with KO Tom there is literally one correct list with this army And I know you say this kind of thing with KO But people play different lists and do well with different lists and different sub factions quite frequently with KO And sure, maybe like some 1200 points you listed the same There's probably one exact list that is the correct list with this army And it's the competitive list. There's certainly one right sub faction Which sets your one general and you know, you need five or six babies Which means the only choice you're making is your secondary. Who's irrelevant your secondary mega okay Yep And everything you would want to do is weird and ghettoized and sectioned off and doesn't work with each other And there's no like I want to build to do this type of thing. Nope. It's exactly the other way around And it drives me bonkers now All that being said like this book needs a ground up rewrite I've said that 10 times and I stand behind it Okay, I have I have been tempted a hundred times to rewrite this book To just put out my own version of it and be like this is what it could have been I won't increase the power level of it at all I'll just make it fun Okay Now nothing I've said has anything to do with competitiveness. I think this army is actually highly competitive Highly competitive Sure, you just retreat. Yeah, you just stand around and you just stand around and or retreat and you will win the most games It's shocking how how competitive this army actually is Right, but it gets brutal Play against taker tribe and watch them and you think you have an objective and watch them march 75 bodies onto it by towing in on an objective Okay, and you'll be like, do you really own this? Nope, I own this now. Look at me. Look at me I am the captain. Okay And uh, I play nights in 40k too. It doesn't feel like nights in 40k for very for very different reasons Uh, my nights are really fun to play in 40k Maybe not now in ninth, but I had a lot of fun with nights at various points of time over eight at any rate I that'd be all being said. I love this army because here's the thing despite everything I said and all I stand behind all of it It's shock. Hang how fun it is to play this army. That's what kills me. They were so close It's almost perfect Like it's just so much fun to play this army when you don't play the competitive version Right when you like march around and get stompy on things. It's incredible It's so much fun when you take like three babies into a unit And you're like three head butts three foot stomps grab three people stuff them in your pants You're like, yeah, what 3d three water wounds on the charge. You feel awesome It's amazing. It's a shame. That's the wrong strategy But it is fun and I've built a non competitive list like I've built a list I know is actively worse, but that I have so much fun with holy crap. It's fun. This is This should have been the starter army for a while. It's the one that like people could start playing Right away because it's it's so easy. It's so few figs. It's super fun And Too bad it's like one of the most expensive armies It is Which is the other part that's like that pushed me toward janky was like the megas are too expensive The babies are too expensive for an old sculpt. Yes. Thank you coach mentioned terrain destroying Another thing that is like both so good and so bad at the same time because I love crushing terrain removing its rules and hate Hate that they didn't use the opportunity. Okay, tom. What did we complain about that they keep doing? With all these stupid armies that they have no that has no reason to be there What did what did they do a bunch of times in 2019 that didn't need to be there give give them terrain Give them terrain. Thank you tom. Absolutely. So let's I'm gonna I'm gonna imagine a world for you. Tom. You ready? Here's the world Uh, what if the terrain that came with this was a big footprint of rubble two big footprints of rubble Okay, yep, and when you smash terrain It literally says remove that train from the board and put down Enough footprints of rubble to roughly like match what that that was. Okay or something like that or whatever. Yep Yep, okay That wouldn't have been like I'm sure everybody would have got angry at that and how do you do that tournaments and blah blah blah blah I know it was problematic. Look we're scooting terrain around already I I I already hear you out there. I hear all your problems, but I hate that I smash a chaos Sorry, not a KO boat. I hate that I smash a stupid IDK boat and then it's still Impossible for me to walk over Or at the very least it's still there it would have even been fine If you don't want to actually do the model just make it so like the long shanks You ignore all terrain that has the rubble keyword, right? These things would have been easy It's right there Okay Like that was not hard what I just did if long shanks said terrain less than four inches or any terrain with the rubble keyword See boom Look how I fixed it Wasn't that amazing? That was super complicated the three words. I added to that sentence And yet here we are Yeah, and imagine As Tyler said and imagine if if the giant is within three inches of that pile of rubble They now gain a range attack or their rock throwing gets better or whatever right the book stinks of fear Right well like yes, and that was my critique of KO by the way Is that it it it stunk that they were just afraid of what could be accomplished? And so they added all the the restrictions They are the force building restrictions, which is what I'm hearing you complain about Is that all the options have been like weeded out? And that you're railroaded down once you choose that one right general Well, you have to have these bodies and so now you only have one real choice point Correct. I mean again, this is like an army with the truly the least choice points And by the way that was always going to be in the cards and I'm okay with right right There were still other ways we could have done it Like I get it you've got four units cool And like do do like giant traits instead of mount traits exactly exactly it was so easy It's right there if a stupid war hydra can have mount traits you're named legendary giant leader Uh who oftentimes cannot fight his way out of a wet paper bag I'm not sure how he convinced all the other giants three babies would beat the crap out of most of the big magas They would crush him into oblivion And he would not even felt one of them by the time he was dead Um, so I don't know how these big guys are actually like the versimilitude of that doesn't work Like any three babies equivalent points cost will just want a big one to death um You know so like Here we are anyways It's still thanky because I have had a tremendous amount of fun playing it right and it's again It's that I love it so much that all these little splinters Right, it's it's as though I ran my hand across a rough piece of wood and You know like I what I've built is this beautiful table. It's a gorgeous table But as I run my hand across it it wasn't sanded down Properly and finished properly and when I pull my hand away, I have all these little tiny splinters in it, right? The table's still beautiful But there's these splinters yo Okay At any rate, um I love the army and I'm glad I have it. I just I again I just want to see this book rewritten from the ground up which is weird I've never had an experience like this before it's I I'm of so two minds on it. It's very hard for me to put into words Except to say that it's it's it's frustrating. There's nothing else like this I've played That I've ever had this exact feeling on Where it's where what it does is so divergent from what I want and yet I still love it all the same Like it's it has to do with how it's screwing with my timmy brain. I suspect Right because you're big and stompy and you want to be big and stompy, but you're not big and stompy Yeah, yeah Yep Is it competitive to ally a big guy into any list or just meme tier? It's probably more just meme The exception being maybe order with a crack and eater for the solely for the the objective kicking I I could actually interestingly see a really interesting Like if you're playing thousand points, I think that there may be gas in that Sure, that could be funny But yeah, I think the order when bundo is like the interesting murk because he does bring into like objective kicking and objective kicking is Admittedly super powerful. It's on the worst giant the one who hits like a wet sack of noodles left out in the rain for four days And that's convenient because he's coming in from the sea indeed. Well, that's why he's waterlogged. What's he gonna do? Uh, yeah at any rate That's sons. I had a lot of complicated thoughts on sons Tune in when I join, uh, aos coach on december 18th to talk sons of badmout. Go go find us over on coach's channel If you want to see events rant some more it is your show. No, I don't like I will be this is, you know Our show and and I'm like I won't be as ranty I just you know, like I've had a lot of thoughts on this just stating because I've been doing nothing but playing these guys For weeks. I mean, I've probably gotten in 10 12 games now with these dudes Yep, uh, and you know, so I've it's really like It's hardened a lot of my Understandings, you know what I mean as I kept trying different lists and building yourself and having different experiences So yeah at any rate, there we go rant over Okay Uh, but we'll have a fun talk about them Coach said rant away. Give me all the clicks Exactly. You can you can do a snippet coach. You'll be able to cut it out and be like five minute rant Dude loses his mind on sons of badmout. Yeah, sure. Okay Uh, let's talk war cry So obviously here we've got uh catacombs Uh, and the new war vans and you know, this is sort of this is again This is kind of the placeholder where we're going to talk war cry in general over this year But I mean obviously the big flagship release was the new this new core box up Yep, uh Yeah, what are your thoughts on work right for the year? Loved everything about it Agreed. I'm with I'm big. Thank you for this life. I I don't know anything that I'm critical about on all of worker I have a small Complaint. I'm still very thanky. I have a small complaint Which is this box was again, it's pricing related, you know, and it's just been the way of the world Um, this box was a little too expensive for what I wanted Uh, and I would have loved to see it come with some more a little bit more of the bigger terrain that the original came with But I love the train it came with and I like everything this box did Like here's a really cool thing that I think is flowing under the radar on catacombs that I don't think people are Maybe if you don't play play worker if you haven't played it much Or you haven't experienced this new box set so tom you know how all the war cry scenarios that are in the Core book are three rounds Yes, and so like when you're doing your hammer dagger shield oftentimes your third group doesn't even really get to participate in the game right Because they'll show up and it'll be like Game over game over. These are all five round scenarios in there And so it feels like they figured that out like they learned they heard people they saw it was too short And they got that in there. So which is cool. Uh, I shouldn't say all most are five rounds. That's probably the better way to say that um I like all the little All the little basing Stuff that comes with this one. This one does feel a little light on plastic for its box set again It's a price thing, right? There's just not enough in here if this had been at the price of the original one Yeah, then I would have had No problems at all, right? Even though it's ostensibly less plastic. I still would have been okay with it But the fact that it was less and cost more Yep, that's a negative But i'm still in the thank you because I think both of these warbands that came in here are completely awesome uh points for the the uh, the dark elf Warband win If we could give those shadow stalker points that would be a great day Yep, uh, I like I think the science of flame look sweet is all Uh, I think that the and obviously the shadow elves are beyond incredibly good Um, I love that they're pulling on like the mist weaver says, uh aesthetic markers Uh, I want to see more of that at some point in the future I think that mask is like just the coolest look So I dig that um By the way quick shout out I was talking with somebody in the comments of last week's show tom about our review show And we were talking about the faces on the twin souls Yep, and somebody said what about harlequin heads? Oh, I saw that. Yeah. Oh my god. How did I not think of that? That is so brilliant I was like, yep. Yep stealing that Like yes bullpred it. I didn't think of it But that is amazing those gestures masks on those will be Amazin so anyways, uh, that just got me thinking about that with the face mask But yes, the board itself is double-sided so you can flip the normal game you can go underground It's cool campaign edition so you can like go into the underworld of the You know of the actual You play above ground. I think the best campaigns mix both You know, you're doing some above ground stuff some below ground stuff because there are some changes to the way the game works and Uh, yeah, like I think this war cry has been great I love seeing the additional rules for like the cities this year Uh in white dwarf. I thought that was good. Obviously, we know we've got big books coming Uh, that that there's been some rumors floating around about and that's gonna apparently be like a collection the books like The order book will collect all of the order of war bands, right? Yeah, and throw all those together and stuff like that. So Um so I'm I I think war cry continues to be good. I have played some war cry this year. This is a game I'd count myself as playing and I think they're pretty fun Agreed. Agreed. Uh, we've I mean I do it with my kids And it's it's on our rotation. So Um, I have that like this literal box is in the mail with a bunch of other stuff Um, and I'm excited to get it and start building. Yeah Absolutely, uh, plus I do want to see if I can find somebody and just like Somebody who's willing to unload some of the extra little bits because I just want them for basic material Like the the coffin piece this this thing down here and like this stuff and then this little, uh, You know like sewer great thing like all these are such good little basing pieces the one over here on the side That's like the pile with the cage or whatever. I think that's the hangman's thing Those are super cool. Anyways. Yeah, great stuff Okay Uh Hello doom doom showed up and he said how much have I missed and the answer was a lot of of sob salt. Yes, that is all the correct You gotta get in that I gotta do that Gotta do that so much salt. Okay broken realms marathi Thank you, jenki. Tom. What do you got? Uh, thank you just all the all the everything. Thank you Absolutely, this is the you know How many have you ever seen a movie that the middle of which is like, yeah, it's okay. It's good It was fine. And then the ending is just like, whoa, that was incredible, right? And you're like suddenly the movie's great. You don't remember anything else about the movie You only remember the stellar ending, right? Yep Yeah Marathi is the is the is truly the blood debts of 2020 Uh, and it it's just an incredible ending the This book is such a huge thank you I mean, this is slam dunkathon Yep Yeah, I mean the new rules let but we want it. Well, let's let's sub break this down a little bit. Okay Because I think this is so that it's obviously as a whole mega thankies mega thankies, right Yep, but but Let's do some let's do some sub ratings for this one because this one really does break into a lot of stuff Lore thank you. You're jenki All right, thank you hardcore. Thank you story was fantastic like amazing Uh IDK changes I think you changes. I agree. Also. Thank you If you if they knock the points of eels up a little bit then we we really got some gas in the engine there um Daughters of cane changes we can we can like I've got shadow Uh, thank you. Also. Thank you completely agree. Yeah. Cobra Kai strike first strike hard. No mercy. Okay. Let's that's what that's what we're here for Cities of sigmar stuff Uh You're on the edge of jenki, but it's still thanky. Okay. I'm giving it a jenki It's I agree. It's on the edge. I just felt like miss haven was too much of a miss. It could have been so cool I mean it was a miss It was a miss. I don't want to I don't want to To disagree with that at all. Yeah, um at the same time I loved what they tried to do with um higher karan Yeah, sure And uh, and I and I want more of that. So again, they are experimenting. They just missed it Yeah, to me it felt like idk big. Thank you doc big. Thank you cities Janky but on the edge again good ideas But poor enough execution Okay, right storm cast big thank you I'm big. Thank you. They they're doing what they need to do with storm cast They just miss the battalion like they miss they weren't thinking patrol is bad like again in the sub jank Storm the patrol the storm keep garrison patrol is Hard core jank like that is as janky as janky gets but like the the uh retrofitted lord Battalion great the garrison perfect that feels like what the storm cast battalion should be like it's fantastic army The new rules love them Liberators actually being useful big giant thanky amazing Uh, but the patrol is just jank as jank can be by the way if patrol had been excised and the only version of that Battalion that had been in there had been van brex Which has ostensibly the same ability but is much more locked Into what you can put in there, right? Yeah, I would have been fine. Yeah Yeah, I would agree that Yeah, uh van brecht himself and everything to do with van brecht huge thanky Right like van brecht is the man. I love that dude so much A lot more storm cast heroes like that that guy was cool He work he was uh, he's a great protagonist story. I can't wait to fall or I I understand He's not actually the protagonist, but he is to me. He's my protagonist Marathi. I'm sure tag not my protagonist um So at any rate, uh, yeah, so thank you for the storm cast stuff I I'm so excited that they got that they got that retrofitting I want to see a second storm cast thing in a future when that's more focused on the monsters and the dracothean stuff All of the dracothean related stuff. I think that'd be really cool because I think that's an underutilized part of the the storm cast Fleet and uh, and if that happens, that's when the rat cast will come into into existence um I already know because that's what I want. I know the force. I want to build it just I just need to get rules I think would make it cool um And then the idolaters the slaves to darkness stuff what you're what should take out what thank you're janky on that one janky janky Because like to me like it was bad like the design is They just missed it. Yeah Uh Whisky tango, how does marathi compared to wrath of the ever chosen in malign importance way better than either of them? Way better Way better. Yeah between the updating five different armies Uh, and just the story itself that's there. It's it's so much better like the story that's in here is actually Amazing top-notch interesting world changing and what it does. It actually moves the narrative in big ways Yeah, and and feel so tightly tied to the the the rules feel so tightly tied to the story It's just like if you read the story when you get to the rules, you're like, yep. Yep. Yep. Yep This all makes sense. This is exactly what I would expect it to do so yep I agree completely. Um Yeah, I mean the idol or stuff love the idea again Like it's it feels just like the cities where it was like, yeah, awesome idea like making all of the um Making all the the cultists the the the war cry Uh, dude's battle line and giving them like the marauder charge is cool By the way, marauder charge on them is not as bad as it is on marauders and even not even those Um, it's actually probably fine on them Uh, just don't give it to a giant unit that can somehow get a ridiculously good save and rend for no reason um the That's on 25 mil bases universally uh But at any rate the it's a cool idea. I love chariot hero lord. I just wish they had actually It feels like they made about 80 percent of the rules and then stopped and didn't really think about the other implications to idolaters Right. Yeah, I would do that. Yeah It feels like there was like a design pass where like it went out And then didn't ever go back for the final pass. Right, right Missing its artifacts having a lot of like weird Interactions that aren't what you would expect them to be with other things in the in the sights of darkness force um You know, it's just it Yeah, there's just there's just challenges there uh, so Yeah, I but overall despite those two and by the way Even when I say that I think city's got a janky I still love that there's there's gonna be people who play those lists of like hark here on or whatever And love them and are so happy it exists And that's that's like so when I those are just like just the city's just edges into the janky Right, it's right there at the line And so for a lot of people it'll it'll fall on the other side and I'm good with that. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so This this is a huge win and has made me Beyond excited for 2021. We'll do our 2021 prediction show At uh at the end of the year and where we lay out everything we're gonna put down Uh, so at any rate One more shadow and pain came alongside marathi Uh, what's your what's your take on shadow and pain? Be in the year with a dual box and the year with a dual box It's in the box With my underworlds in the mail right now Gotcha Gotcha, uh, which is which is saying something because that's the first Real aos product I've bought in six months. Sure. Sure. What are you doing with the slush app? I'm gonna sit on it because um, I may be a lot of mortal stuff that you that you may suddenly have a use for Right, right, right like because it's uh to be clear. It's the 10 riders It's the mortal hero and then is it 10 day minutes and a chariot Oh, is it 10 day minutes and a chariot or just no 10 day minutes and a chariot. Yeah So you get you get 10 of either the 10 of the hell's riders claws or do you know what? Do you know what just what you just told me? It's a mortal force and then it has some summoning units. Yeah, sure Yes, correct. I mean that is what I mean. Yes Right, right. And so yeah summon like herald keep mind that chariot can be built as the hero version Right, right as the blade bringer on on the secret chariot because it's just all the chariot's the same box And by the way, if you happen to get another one of those if you just get another secret chariot You can build the exalted because you just shove two of them together to make the exalted chariot It's all the same kid. It's just a repeat. Yeah Well, I mean what I'll say is this like I'm gonna sit on it because if I do end up going slash Like I'll have it right like I'll have that, you know to supplement the other stuff. So Um, and if I don't I'll flip it but um, but yeah, I'm interested like I like, um Yeah, I just wish there were more snakes in the box Like I understand why there's not but I'm sure there's like 10 snakes five girls and then the new iron scale Right, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, like what I don't need is more harpies Um, well, you know most people are not the place you are I 25 painted Yeah, then you do need five more harpies Because dain was dunking on you last show because he's got 30 Oh Shoot. Okay dain. That's that's it. I'll I'll do five more lifetakers So I have 20 lifetakers and 10 the heart renders. That's so you've got to you want to hit dain levels of awesomeness You need to you need to get five Clearly. Yeah, so um, we'll see. Uh, like I said, I'm doing uh, I'm working on some KO stuff right now but um Daughters are high up there Yeah, this one's going to be a thank you for me. It also brought a lot of rule and war school changes to these units um, I hate that the Uh, that the health writers lost a battle line But I probably don't care about this now like the difference between last week when we talked about this And now is that I know there's Probably six new units coming for mortal slanesh. We haven't you know, the right two we've already seen And there will be battle line in there Yeah, two that'll be a hero of some type like the cast that was in the background or whatever that big Pelanguin thing was that was in the background So those two will be heroes and then you've got the archers And the slangor and then you've got the twin souls and the the other ones So the pain bringers whatever so between those uh Potentially four units like something in there is going to be battle line, right? So Yeah, fine. Like I'm I'm I'm I will I will hold back My my anger has been withdrawn For now, um, if if by the way the cheapest version of that new unit battle line is like 200 points I'm right back in there. You know what I mean like instantly. I'm angry again, but I'll I'll keep until that So this one also You know slightly higher price. It's not a perfect. Thank you It was slightly more expensive than I would have liked to see But I do think the two new heroes it introduced are like incredible models Uh, the iron scale. I think has some use in a in a Cobra Kai army I am sad she can as I said before that she cannot make your basic snakes battle line That's a big miss, but that's a thing they could fix They can fix that Literally, that's a single keyword single keyword or or they could actually fix it in the points printing Right, right because they could put out something to chart. Yeah, they can change the chart Yeah, this is battle line in army if a blood rec medusa or Maluca iron scale is your general which great. Okay, cool. I'll bet and suddenly her stock Way up Right and the lord of pain when we first saw the rules we were like, but there's no mortal heat nights And now you're like, oh, there's a lot of mortal heat nights. This guy's gonna rule so You know, yeah, like I'm I'm in um So yeah shadow and pain is is a thanky and uh Yeah, I think this was good And this did feel like it had the weight. I like how much stuff there is in here. It's good So yep So there you go Yeah, it's not just W. Soren said five slinnish mark cast warriors are 90 points in battle line and heat nights. Yes But it's not just that it's not just the points It's also like Are they functional in any way or are they pure tax and 10 day minutes and five or five cast warriors are literally pure tax whereas five health strikers were useful because they couldn't kill anything Ever but they had the utility but they had utility in their speed It's actually chaff correctly to a very fast army. You cannot have chaff for a fast army move You know this at that speed. It just doesn't work. You've got to have something that gets out there Uh, jacob bugmanson. He was another one that dropped this uh this year Sure, I didn't put him in here. But yeah, uh, janky because he doesn't have aos rules cool model Screw you. He is He is he's spanky. I'm super. Thank you for him Uh-huh. Um, he is literally in the mail with those other boxes Um, I like again as I've told some of you like there's a so warhammer world has like a drunken bugman Yeah, um And he is on the deck of my ship on my ironclad. Yeah, um one of one of our viewers I I'm I am blanking on who who bought it But senate, you know sent it over with you when you visited one time Yes, um And like he's on my ironclad and so now I would I'm excited to have a foot model as well for him in my army, um and I love it. I love that it just that the introduction of that one model Has like spawned a bunch of people's Uh, like creative juices regarding like how they can reconceptualize the army as like ale runners Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Well, well as we all know Uh, shimon is currently under prohibition So, you know, you gotta you gotta outrun You gotta outrun smoky Uh, get that get that Coors across the across the shimon county line Right. And so like, I mean like I've heard people You know talking about like having a bunch of kegs slapped onto the edge of like the gun hall or whatever and like Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a ton of a ton of like creative space here. And so I just love the model. You know what? A lot of people don't like the admiral model He's a perfect replacement admiral He's a great admiral. Yeah done So, um That's what I'm saying. I love the model and I love and you know what we can do rules later Sure, if if if they want to do rules for him But I don't need rules for him. Like I don't want to feel forced to have like like, uh, what's his face over here? Um Uh The super dwarf that everybody loves Um, go track Go track like I have go track over here, but I haven't really built him because I'm never going to actually use go track as go track Right, and it doesn't feel right Like I don't want I'm not going to put him down on the table as something else Because that's straight proxying and so Uh, but I love him because he doesn't have rules and so I can use him for whatever I want sure The the comments are there the coupon overlords and the stormcaster the fuzz chasing them. Absolutely absolutely Yep, uh, I like where that I like where this is going. There's there's a there's a story here There's a narrative here that needs to be told There is Uh, so I love it. I love it again. I got my I got the the makings of my My gun hauler built as we've been talking. So Um, love me some, uh, love me my KO And that pretty much wraps up 2020. I mean what that tells me is two things first of all Looking back we all know this has been a trash fire of a year. Okay Like this year has been rough It's been hard on most everybody Tom, I know you've had some challenges this year given the COVID situation the fact that you have four children Who've been in the house of you every day all day? Oh, yeah, and you're I'm sure there's many out there who are in the same situation Uh, people have had like if you've been Lucky enough to keep your job. You've probably been working extra if you lost if you didn't have a chance to keep your job It's been really rough People you know getting sick or whatever or just whatever whether it's it's top It's been an awful year However When we look back at this What's amazing to me is this is the year that a new edition of 40k released Yeah, right. Yep. Yep. And yet we had so much good stuff and most of it came down on the thanky side And we managed yeah, I mean I don't think the majority even for both of us still came that direction either way we're right now we're Beginning something that we both agree is the strongest release of the year Yeah, no, I agree. I In yes, yeah, did you get your phd this year tom? I did. There's a thanky. Absolutely. There you go. Yes. Yes. I am dr. Tom now Uh, dr. Tom is a character in being Erica, but at any rate Um, I want to know if anybody else watches that show. That's a that's a real Probably if there's anybody watching from Canada, maybe you watched it at any rate um the You know I think that what this what the one of the reasons I want to do this show and we do this show every year Is because I am always very thankful for this hobby in a year that sucked Hard right This was a bright spot every day every week every month for me was this hobby this community Uh, you know everything that's been done. It's been a banner year in a lot of ways And honestly since some of the armies that came out early in the year We're kind of grossly out of whack and have now brought mostly back into balance Maybe it's better we weren't seeing that and we're not yelling at each other on the internet about how broken those things were So that's probably fine. Let's let's find this overlining in that very large dark cloud Um, but I am very thankful For all of this stuff for this game to continue to be awesome and for the community that's around it So there you go. Uh, Tom, what are your what are your final thoughts here as we as we close out? Man, it's been a shit year sure and like And it's been an off year in a os like let's be clear like this is a 40k a year This is not a top tier like full speed ahead a os year and yet It's been great Like look at all the amazing box sets that have dropped. Yep Like aether war as much as you want to crap on it. Like I bought two copies of it. Sure. Sure Like uh shadow and pain like the realm lords box Like we've never had a collector's edition book bundle models all that In a release, right? Like that's new Like so it's I mean what I would say is that like man It's just and then now we're entering into this new narrative thing with marathi and it's just beautiful. Yeah, absolutely So It just doesn't get better than this folks. I agree. I mean this is the kind of thing we've been wanting for The past five years like this has been said this is the sort of idyllic situation We've been dreaming about where you have ongoing narrative moving the story forward updating armies Everybody's got battle tomes. We have rockin scenarios Most of the armies honestly are quite balanced like the the meta right now from what we can tell of it Seems pretty balanced as a couple people somewhat out of whack, but it's not bad Like we don't have 70% armies right I mean like serif on might still be kissing that but yes Sure, sure. They'd be the only one We can fix that we can put that again. That's easy to fix with just some point changes. Yep. Yeah Yeah, like I just the meta is in a healthy spot the game is in a like from a design standpoint is in a great spot You know, you'll notice that like as much as we've been joking about like spell bombs We've had two And none others have popped up in the armies that have released Which is exactly what I wanted to see and if you remember when we talked about this I said as long as don't get any more it'll be fine And I also techless is the way to design a spelldom correctly, right like he because he's answerable Right, he can be killed in lots of different ways. He's not super immortal. So yeah, totally agree And like so when you look at that like the reality is is like the meta is really healthy There's some really interesting like things in there, but there are lots of options Um, the the balance is good For largely what is out there and what I mean by that is like There's no like we don't live in an activation world world where you're a habit right not There are there are some things like that. There are some really strong shooting armies like, you know, your anvil's storm cast your ko Zinge ish But there's also some answers to those things and so I just um Like I I love where we're at and I'm excited to see where we're going Completely don't know. I'm super sad about is the likelihood that we will have Um, a new addition in the summer And it's going to screw everything up Yeah, I'm hoping it doesn't I'm hoping it's a very soft transition almost no new rules and basically it's just introducing a core box And it might not but the reality is is that like if we do get a new addition What that inevitably means is that we'll have like a huge book book explosion in the next year Or they were like normally following an addition you have a dump of a bunch of books being updated Which always has the possibility of like Like shaking things up very significantly saving for the preview show tom. You got to keep some of that powder dry, buddy All right at any rate. I'll talk about that more at the end of the year. There you go What I'll say is thank you what I am most thankful for is all of you out there who are watching Who come and who comment who are talking or chatting every week? I really do appreciate it Uh, we love all of you and we really really appreciate it We hope everybody out there is staying safe is If you're in the states celebrating this hobby and the safest way you get this hobby and this holiday and the safest way you can Uh, I hope you do get to see someone even if it's even remotely This is a time of year to take a moment to take stock of how lucky we all are For our friends for our family for everybody we have around this and I consider everybody in this community absolutely part of my Uh, my friends so to all of you out there. Thank you so much If you're other places in the world that doesn't have Thanksgiving or isn't celebrating it this weekend She's not the us. That's perfectly fine, too. You can just be as thankful anyways You don't need a special holiday. We love you too Uh, so at any rate give it a like Uh down there that really helps. 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