 Well Kenny, you've been to so many places. What do you think of this, John? It's just a phenomenal working environment, you know. The minute we've walked into it, they can eyes-lap. I mean, it's a proper facility. Top-top level pictures are great. Building and the setup is excellent. I mean, the lads want for nothing. Walking in here, getting to know the lads, getting to know the staff, enjoying the surroundings, you know. It's an amazing place to come to work. Look you and Karl, or the boss as you call him, you're perfectly versed to be able to pass on that message to young players about how good these facilities are. Because when you started, when he started, there was nothing like this. Not at all. I mean, I think back to the run of the 2000, Martha, there was only a few teams that probably had facilities like this back in England, I think. And Rangers opened up in 2001. And again, it was probably one of the first ones of its kind at that moment. But yeah, so when you brought up in these kind of surroundings, you can kind of take them for granted, but I can assure the young lads the message getting passed on to them is it's not like this everywhere. You know, I had the last couple of years of my career where it was back to the old days, they reported them to the stadium, getting changed, jumping into the car and going to whatever local venue you could get. So it's a special place to be, you know. And it's up to us to enjoy it, get the players working and buying into what the manager does. But there's no better place to actually be doing it, you know. Because, like I said, you want for nothing. You've got everything at your fingertips. What do you think so far in what you've seen in the playing group, and now it's only early on? Well, it's short obviously on numbers, I think. That goes without saying. But what it does is it allows you to have a look at the younger players. This academy here, the setup here for the academy and the quality of the young players in and around the area is very good. So it gives us a chance to have a look at them. It gives the young players a chance to impress the boss and maybe stake a claim for a first team slot, maybe not a starting slot, but a squad slot, which is just as important for a young player. It's the first step, you know. So the manager's been able to impart on the players the way he wants to play, start dropping little things into them about how he wants to do it, why he's doing it, as long as obviously surrounding the hard work, preceding his hard work, a lot of running involved. The lads are putting the effort in. It's great. I mean, I wish it was it. So it's the response that the players have gave the managers being really, really positive as well. Look, to be honest, if we were struggling for plays, you could almost jump on. You've literally just retired, haven't you? Yeah, it was January. I mean, I keep telling the boss he needs to sign me up, but he's not going to give me that chance. Listen, I like getting involved in the training sometimes and keep taking over, but really, really enjoying the role. Since we came to the country, it's been great and it's worked well for us so far. So it's enjoying the role. Yep, you miss playing obviously when you're just finished and you're just hung them up. You do miss it, but it's a different kind of high you get when you watch the team that you're working with every day and you watch the players achieve good things that you've been working on with them through the week. It's really fulfilling when you see that coming through us and on a Saturday. Now you and Carl are great mates for two decades. What's that chemistry like? When you start out, there's steps that you need to take. In my first day, I've always been someone I wanted to get their quack. If I'm going somewhere I want to get their quack, it was no different when I moved into any professional football. I wanted to make it to that first team, so the steps to go through were through the roof team, through the reserve team, you get the first team, when you get the first team, you've got to stay there. Pretty much, I've tried to have that right throughout my career. It was never the best technical football player in the world. That definitely improved with age, but in terms of work ethic, it was always there. Celtic and Rangers, oil and water, its religions, its pathology, they don't like each other and you're in that rich band or that little group of people that has played for both. Yeah, listen, football presents opportunities. And like I said, I'm a winner and I've always wanted to win. I played for Rangers when I was young, I was 20, when I moved to Rangers, I walked into an absolutely incredible dressing room filled with world stars at the time, not just good football, we're talking world stars here, Italian stars, Germans, Dutch, we had obviously a Dutch coach at the time and Dick Advocate, and we had maybe six or seven Dutch internationalists in our team, you know, it was our top, top level dressing room, so I loved it, I realised my standards had to go up and I really loved it, but I was young and because of the amount of talent in that dressing room, game time, particularly the second season became, it was made quite aware to me that it might not be as much as I would like. So I moved on and then a few years down the line, the opportunity to go to Celtic came on in. I never won anything that year with Rangers and that was always something that kind of stuck with me, you go to these clubs to be successful, you want to be a winner, you want to win leagues and be in fighting for the cup competitions at the end of the season and we never won anything that year, it was actually a poor year by the club standards and when the chance came to go to Celtic, it was an opportunity, like I said, to present something, things for you and I thought, you know, the club was in the Champions League, I'd always experienced that for one game with Rangers, against Monaco, I managed to score within the first couple of minutes of my Champions League debut, and it gives you a taste for things, you know, so it was an opportunity to play at that level again, which is the top level of the game. One thing, which in that year I did, managed a league and a cup, after three games at the Champions League that season, they used to do the thing on Sky Sports where they had like the leagues and then the top scorers and then it would go into the European competition and I had scored three goals in the first three games and your picture's up there with the best player, and you know, that's why you go to those clubs, these big clubs, to play at that level and that was a big part of the decision to win, to play at the top level, that's why I always wanted to test myself against the best so it was an opportunity, like I said, and it was an opportunity I took at the time. I always had a feeling at the back of my mind at some point I would end up back at Rangers, and sure enough it happened two years later when Walter Smith, who was my international manager, took over back at Rangers, Rangers legend, Scottish legend, he gave me the opportunity to go back so again, it was another opportunity. You know the rest of history, I had three seasons then and I went back for another time for four seasons, I absolutely love it, but the rival is fierce, you know, it's absolutely fierce. It's, I mean, people go to work every day and some will be Rangers fans, some will be Celtic fans and they'll mingle and they'll mingle but come that weekend the gloves are off, you know. It's a proper, proper fixture I mean, I absolutely loved the fixture, it brought the best out of me, I was fortunate enough that I scored quite a few goals in them as well so it was, again, that was a big part of me potentially getting accepted back into the Rangers family for my first goals for the four Rangers back in 2008 were against Celtic at Celtic Park and that game can make our break players, you know so that said, I was pretty fortunate I had a decent spell on those games What about that time at Wolverhampton you talk about excelling, you talk about success to be a part of that promotion? Yeah, the special times at Wolves, you know it was real special times, it was a wonderful group of players to be working with and it's also when I met the boss, you know like it's an interesting story that when the morning that I signed my loan papers initially for Wolves from Rangers we're driving into training with the manager because I came down with Colin Cameron another Scottish lad who signed the same time as me, he drove us down so I signed the loan papers and Dave Jones he drove me down to training and the first person I bumped into in the car part was the boss, Carl and he took me up, showed me where the training were, introduced me to the boys and for that moment we clicked, you know and remained good friends ever since our paths have crossed over the last 18, 19 years obviously was my first team coach at Vancouver initially and then he became the head coach but what I've told, the story that I tell is that if it hadn't been for me he wouldn't be here because I scored two goals in his very first game as a manager against New York Red Wolves and we won 4-1, we won that day and I scored two and that set him on his way to being a top coach Well it's going to be a very different Christmas for you you won't need any heating in the house and a different diet but obviously the season starts December 27th what can we expect from the Wanderers Well you can expect again the fans in Australia have had a little flavour of what the manager is about and what his teams are about it's started to get the little details about how important it is that we do certain things right, that we understand why we're doing them and how we do them that's already getting done and it's going to get stronger and stronger as the pre-season goes on we need players to be saying that before and there will be new arrivals that will come in to help the group over the next month but when that game comes around I fully expect this team to be ready for it, they'll be fit that's one thing for sure, they'll be fit they need to be fit to play top level football but they'll be well versed on what the manager wants and how he goes about it so again without sounding generic it's all possession football the manager wants the ball, it's as simple as that that's not giving away any trade secrets I think he's seen the way that his team played Newcastle, he wants the ball he wants to play good attacking football but there needs to be a structure behind it which there will be, again, what's already been getting done on that we've plenty of time to achieve it, if we don't then that's on us, because it's up to us to get the meshes across to the players but come 27th we'll be ready and we'll be ready to play the brandy football that the manager wants to play can't like to talk again, thanks Kenny thanks Tim, no problem