 All right, it's 630. Oh boy. So we've got Daniel, who's one candidate and the other that we're looking for. I know George did nominate, you know, was looking to be a candidate, but he just expressed that I'm, you know, he'd be willing to cede the responsibility to the other applicant and his ward. Just to make it no contest. I told him he could be a alternate. In case they drop out, but as the slayest on that. Just reply to his email. Number one. What's their name. Who's. Ashley was one of them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how to pronounce the name, but. And me as well for war three. I just got the email from Chris, like an hour ago to discuss beforehand, but I've been working until like five minutes ago. So I did not have that opportunity. Totally. Yep. Dan, I know. I know you're in it for sure. Yeah, I know who hastily is I'll open up that spreadsheet. Yeah, he mentioned you'd be at city hall right now. Oh, he's doing in person. Okay. Yeah. So what's happening. And good question. Well, the candidates for war to declare themselves and the candidates for war three to clear themselves, they can make little speeches and we can vote. There's, I mean, Who's who's going to vote. Good question. Yeah, like that's, that's why I say I don't know what the next step is. And plus we have, you know, announcements and public forum to do before we get to the vote anyway on the agenda. Oh, I thought this was just a redistricting meeting, not a regular or two, three meeting. I thought so too, but it's on the agenda that it was posted. How many people are in the city hall room is very tiny on my screen I can't see. There are three members of the NPA and then person here with you. We have five or six members of the NPA. So before we move forward, I'm going to look up who that other applicant is that the one that he's, he's going to show up in person. So I have the name here. So it's Daniel from which ward is Daniel from I think you're from three. Yeah, I'm from Ward three. It seems like someone already edited my name to include that. Oh yeah, Molly's on it. Daniel, where do you live. I live on Cedar Street. It runs between La Fontaine and Rose Street in that area. I live on that block. Okay, it's in the old North end. Yep. Okay, thank you. So George had reached out to me and said, Are they still here? No. So the one I talked to on email. I'm going to see the, the give up his spot and possibly be an alternate. But he is, according to the spreadsheet that we've got was for Ward two. And I don't see any other applicants for Ward two. Because Chris Hassley, which is the one that is going to be showing up in person. You know, months anew. Is that how you say that? Montana, but any pronunciations. Okay. I'm sure you've heard a lot. Is, are you so your word three as well. So yeah, there's no other, there's no other word twos. So George must must have been mistaken. Yeah, that would be a bummer. I'll do that right now. And then, you know, I think that's enough delay. I'll at least open it up for announcements and public forum and we'll go from there, I guess. I'd speak at public forum, but I think announcements, we should make sure we get announcements done first if there are any. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'll start that in a second. I'm just going to shoot the email to George. The agenda. Get that going unless I hear any, any objection. Right. So, welcome everybody to the special meeting of the words two and three neighborhood planning assembly. I'm Kevin, one of the steering committee members. And Tony will start with you. We'll pass, pass her on the mic. We're introducing ourselves as members of the just a hello. Yeah. Hello, Tony Redington Ward three steering committee Barbara. I also from three on the steering committee, although I'm, I've just had a big loss of my family. I'm kind of taking a little sabbatical but I thought this meeting was really important. So I thought that would come. Thanks for being here Barbara. And we got Charlie G Molly is at the Queen city conference room. Yeah, everybody on board three. I think that's. Seedow. Michelle for three. Awesome. There's Charlie. Yep, yeah. I think should mention just briefly that. Patrick Johnson would normally be with us tonight, but some of you may not even know yet that there's some serious illness in that household and, and he's going to be preoccupied for police for the media future. So I just thought, I think it should be mentioned we shouldn't have actually, I guess we should say that it's, it's fair to say, I want to say who it is, but because that may be not the right thing to say at this point, but it is in the household and it's very sad development at this point. Agreed. Yeah, so the next meeting, the real full NPA meeting will be next October, or sorry, October 14 next month. That's what I meant to say. We meet every second Thursday of the month at 630 usually runs to like about eight or 830. And yeah, it's a great time. And local politicians come and give updates and people looking to make, make stuff happen in the neighborhood, come talk about. And the public will also be able to forum, just like tonight. So if there's any public look in the forum, raise your hand, either with the app or, you know, on video. So we've got no one in the audience, except for Tony, Tony, you want to forum got two minutes. All right. Listen, thank you very much Kevin and, and I'm glad that we have, we've got some people who are willing to serve as and compete for positions on the redistricting advisory committee. I didn't speak at our regular meeting because the beginning of the meeting was very, very difficult with audio visual issues. But I was going to speak and I'm going to talk why I asked to speak tonight about housing. This is a constant problem. And it's, it's, it's far more serious and my own experience recently finding a very well known person I've known for some time. Who's a senior who literally is on the street and homeless at one time did have help but is not getting it right now. I believe that that the inequality in our city is perhaps one of the one of the major issues. And right now we have 1000 still 1000 people on the wait list at the housing authority. So we can parse that out and it comes out to basically one out of 10 Burlington residents who are non college students, one out of 10 people is is have applied and are seeking affordable housing help in the form of 30% income max rent. And the state of Vermont itself does not provide one unit of such help. I'm on the community of Vermont elders policy committee and it's an issue there. I think that we're finally getting to the point where the city itself should be funding. We if we had a penny for for housing. Housing assistance basically like the section eight we could fund 120 units. The state could obviously do hundreds. And this is this is really critical particularly in our two wards which are probably 75% renters and where a lot of the 1000 households seeking housing assistance in the city are located so I would put it I put a challenge out to each of our city and to our state representatives and senators to sponsor and push for at least a demonstration program of 10 to 15 units of truly affordable housing assistance like the Fed section eight and vouchers. And I think it's it's it's about the time is now we should not be waiting and I just think that this is the critical issue. In addition to pedestrian safety in the city. Thank you. All right, thank you Tony. All right. So that brings us to the next item if there's no other takers for public forum. Doesn't look like it. So, CTO folks I could use some guidance here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And Molly. Really is all steering committee. What do you, what do you think we should do? I mean, we've got, we've got two attendees in the audience. We have two. Of the three candidates and only. And they're both from Ward three. The other is Ward two and he's not present. I think that's how the city council resolution was written that there would only be an election if there was more than one person interested. So that might be you hope right now. If that is the case. That's a big help. At least takes care of half the equation. I'm just going to give it to the person from Ward two. So it looks like you. You are alone can cast the one vote or do whatever is necessary to inform the winner. Right. Right. It's less of a vote and more just like I wanted to resign before it was elected. So, so as for the word three folks. Why don't we deal with what we have and, and you know, have the people who want to be the representative for Ward three, say a few words of introduction and maybe stand for questions. Okay. Does that send to both of you. Christopher Chris and Daniel. So we were. We were hoping to maybe talk beforehand if I wasn't, you know, at work then. So sort of one of us could decide to take on the role. So I'd be willing to drop out. I mean I do feel strongly that you know it's an important process, but I feel like the timeline is is very short. Although it would be nice to kind of be part of these like first steps in this redistricting process. I think it's important that we fight for more community feedback, more citizen education over a longer time period, and that the NPA is do their role to kind of make sure the city is making the right decision and really investigating all of the alternatives to the current council sort of configuration. So even if I don't am not part of the process in this role. I look forward to continuing on in whatever steps may follow and give feedback. Right on. So, so, Chris, what do you, what do you think what do you, how do you want to proceed. Daniel's no longer should I'm happy to serve. This has been a long standing interest of mine since the last process. Really with the development going on in the city, the new camera rise over more seven, I think they very far as the former quarry over one, I think the population is certain such that there probably is going to need to be some re examination of how the more boundaries drawn. I know that the statute requires that there to be within I think 10% deviation. Yeah, that's good, but I think you can probably ought to do better for me it's really about trying to open a transparent process. That is, you know, free of partisan influence I think we really need to try to do the best we can to make sure we have as close as possible to each work, we try to keep, you know, neighborhoods together draw a line to the middle year down the middle of the street and we can help it and just try to make sure it's open and given this opportunity of work here with the folks at the MPA to set up some additional opportunities for the people of war three to weigh in. And also would like to see about having some type of mailing set out to educate people. Share the sentiment that many folks have said regarding the press timeline, I think that that my view is all more recent what we need to do everything we can to educate and get people involved in the process and hold the hearings and get them out. And again, my priorities are just making sure that we have continuous wars for districts. And they are as close to population as possible. Right on. Cool so so. I'm going to make a motion. If the two gentlemen apparently are in agreement that war as a as a resident of Ward three, Kevin. I hereby nominate Chris Hasley to be our representative to the redistricting committee. And and I think that we could have a second motion, a second action to regarding, depending on the outcome of this vote, we could have a second motion that would deal with Daniel being it being a the alternate that we would select. Tony, maybe, maybe before that, that motion, I see someone has their hand raised so maybe we can hear from them first. Sure, sure. And I want to say motion has been made. So if we want to second it would be open for discussion anyway, and comments would be appropriate. I second it and then I would like to talk at some point. So are we okay and move on to Christopher Aaron. Okay, so my understanding. Okay. Yeah. Christopher Aaron. Good evening everybody so I have my question is regarding the eight ward and four district breakdown of city council. I understand that this was a recent change I believe in the last census. I'm curious to hear from some city counselors that they don't like the way that it's made up currently. And some people are interested in returning to a what it was eight wards with two counselors each body. I'm curious to hear what what this NPA has to what the opinions are of the residents of this NPA. So that's kind of a question I have for the group it's maybe not 100% on subject but it's it's relevant and so I'm kind of curious about especially how a long term residents have felt about this. So that's that's my question for this evening. Thank you. If you're asking that because that is a good question. The moderator and me is saying that that's just it's it's it's too far off. Like the impetus of what we're what we're here to do right now. I'm wondering if it would be better to well if you're if you're hold on one sec just one second please. So, would you be willing to instead just come to our next regular meeting and we can put you on the agenda we can have a Q&A like you know or we can I mean sure I'd love to I'd love to talk about it with a larger group but there are some people here present this evening whose opinions I really value on the subject plus we're talking about sending a representative into talk about redistricting apparently from the city's slides it looks like the greatest variation in population came about in wards like one in seven war three seemed almost parallel to where it was 10 years ago, probably because there was no housing here. There was no place else to put them. But I don't think that our ward really has has a much of a risk I think that war two might have some modifications coming up but I think that war three is really safe but that breakdown and redistricting really and creates this for district council is district so I'm just kind of curious so wherever you want to talk about it I just I'm very curious to hear what some people in the group have to say about it. Gotcha. And thank you again. Absolutely. Thank you for being involved and thank you for, you know, being here. Kevin, I feel like that's a legitimate question to ask somebody we're about to, you know, what they think they might not have an opinion or they might have one but I, and I have some questions as well. But he, I would agree if he was only asking the candidate but it sounds like he's asking just like various people in the in the call right now. Okay. Otherwise, I would 100% agree that that would be appropriate in this, like, you know, for this item. I just I just think that like it's too big of a question we could, we could talk about this for, you know, another hour or two, you know, like, maybe I could direct my question directly at the candidates, and then if that inspires other attendees to ask a question of the candidates on the same subject maybe we can have a full review of other people's opinions. Do you follow my work around on that. It sounds like there might be one or two other people interested in the subject also so maybe maybe an answer is given by candidates will prompt another attendee to ask a follow up question and we can all try and have a little bit larger of an understanding. And this is the whole point of, of, you know, appointing a candidate tonight is that they go out and like engage with people in their ward and like get their feedback and like, you know, to gather that information. Okay, you know this is just to like move forward with the process. Fine, maybe, maybe I could just be a simple question to the two candidates, like, do you support modifying the redistricting to include districts, like we have currently or remodification or redistricting to allow for just something that accommodates to counselors for a board. And then I can hold off and I can maybe reach out to Tony or and other people privately. Brenda. Barbara, sorry. Yeah, I'm out of here. So, I'm going to have a district model, you know, if the district over later towards how that will look like that I'm still kind of wrapping with that but as Kevin has noted this is an advisory role here is not to come into other person's advocate for what we believe personally say, you know, this is what I'd like to see our job is to walk solicit the input of the community, particularly Ward three to get their input. I certainly have my personal opinions and feelings on the matter and how I'd like to see it but it's not up to me to decide this up to us to go out with the opinions and based on that solicitation, say hey, I've talked to people in my war and you know, this is the vibe I'm getting this is the sense of getting in case of those conversations that people in our work really are concerned about this and people who really want to see these types of changes. And that's how it be a role is to really go out and be more of a facilitator and get the input, really try to get as many people involved in the process so that we can come up with a position or come back to the larger community as a position to say word three fields x y. But I do have some concerns about the current model and I thought that, you know, award model previously which was seven area whatever the magic number to speak with two people for me towards to just seems a little similar and as Wendy co the word three or two at the last week's meeting, you know, from a candidate's perspective I think it makes it a little more challenging to campaign. So, it's kind of, you know, I think it's really about getting the important larger. Well put. Thank you. That's great. Thank you. Dan, Daniel, you raised your hand. Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree but I'm still like, going back to that like five week timeframe, I feel like that's too little time to consider the alternatives. Like we don't know really what they are. I know in the case of the previous reapportionment. Like, there was several alternatives already laid out, would it be seven districts with to a piece, eight with to a piece, or also this kind of like hybrid where the I'm not really sure if the touch my fucking testicle. I changed them to attendee so now they keep they popped back over to panelists. Weird. Anyway, it's a good point about the time frame and based on just the discussion at last week's meeting at the school by Alan Street and then the feedback we heard from some of the folks that had participated in the process earlier in the summer from the other words, there definitely seems to be a lot of concern about the timeline and maybe one of the things that you know the larger community for us back to say, look, this is an important thing. But my recommendation is this point is to take a longer time here so that if you really have a thoughtful deliberation about it. I'm certain we're going to advocate for that five weeks is a very short timeframe. Thank you. All right. So with that. Do we have to do anything more on the boat on the motion that was seconded by Barbara to like fully confirm or say no folks I could use it. Use some advisement. So the motion was for Chris to take the role and for Daniel to be the alternate. Yes, and Barbara seconded it. Okay, so if you want to vote on that. Now is a full sense. Okay, so everyone from Ward three would vote correct. Cool. All right. So yeah, everyone, everyone from Ward three raise your hand to, to, you know, confirm. Chris as a candidate. All right. I think any, any nays. Charlie says yes. attendees that your hands are still up I'm guessing that those are for yeas. I get there's no way for them to respond. Right. Yeah, so I mean, can we have them unmuted or anything? They can, they can speak if they'd like to. Yes. There's an answer in the q amp a. Yeah. Awesome. I didn't want to assume just for the record. Cool. Thank you, Chris for, for bearing with us through all this and Daniel. Thank you for, you know, for also parent with us on this. You know, I admire both of your, you know, civic spirits. And I look forward to engaging more with you about this. And we've got each other's email so maybe you're not going to the other talk because I'd like to keep you involved too, since you've probably happened to say with you first and first, so if you can get a strong interest as well. Amazing. Thank you. Right on. Thank you. Both of you. And thank you everybody for being here. I think with that, we can adjourn. I adjourn this special media of the NPA. Have a good night, y'all.