 I'm starting all right. I think, uh, Angel. Yes. Fantastic. Okay. I am now going morning Phoebe. I'm going to officially start the meeting again. Good morning everyone. This is the August 23rd meeting of the elementary school building. Committee and seeing we have a quorum, I'm going to officially start the meeting at 1004. The first thing I need to do is everyone knows is just make sure everyone can hear and be heard. So I will call out names. Jonathan. Good morning. Morning Angelica. Good morning. Sean. Yeah. Paul. Present. Phoebe. Hi. Hi, welcome. Simone. Here. And Rupert. Yeah, I made it. Okay. Hi, Rupert. Welcome. Um, and I see the Dinesco team is here. I think we all know them. So at this point, I'm. Turning over the meeting to Margaret, but one thing I want to make sure we do is, um, as I think. Everyone in town knows this is the last meeting that Sean will be with us. Um, much to everyone's dismay. So I want to make sure we give you a good goodbye, Sean, as you have had now at the council and finance. Hasn't he received enough kudos? I mean, really. A huge, a huge thanks from all from all of us, Sean. And so in case we run out of time, just. And before we end, I want to make sure that the date Margaret's going to take over now, but the date we've set for the September meeting date and time work for people because it's going to be an important meeting. So when we get to just checking calendars to make sure we are, we'll have a quorum for that and that that time works for everyone. So you're on with, I think that was where you wanted to start as well. And then yeah, then we go to Dinesco. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, I want to preface this by saying, I may need to leave this meeting a couple of minutes early. So I will definitely be following up. But in case you see me pop off, I have to get a get off of this call about five minutes before 11 so. All right. So what I'm going to do first is I'm going to share the agenda. And then I'm going to share a schedule overview and I apologize because I'm working with one screen today. So that means that I am. Oh, I need, Kathy, I need you to enable screen sharing. Okay. Probably for Tim is resume hitting resume. You did it is being recorded. Okay. All right. So just quickly on the agenda. So I'm going to give an overview of the schedule. I'm going to turn it over to Dinesco who are going to give a building design update and a site design update. We're going to talk sort of do a follow up on the recent sustainability subcommittee about the peer review process. And then there are comments and questions from CPAC that are going to be discussed. As Kathy mentioned, the next meeting is scheduled for Friday, September 29. At that point, we're going to be looking at interim cost estimate. So it's an important meeting. Is there anybody in this group. I know Sean won't be with us, but is there anybody else in this group who cannot make that date. We just want to make sure we have a quorum. Friday, September 29. Yes. At what time? I think it's at 830. Hopefully you have a hold in your calendar already for us. Okay. We've kept it unless I hear differently. 830 spend our time. We set it for 10 today because Tammy and Allison indicated they could potentially make it if we started slightly later today. Right. Normally be 830. Okay. And then down to the bottom here. We'll talk a little bit about the concom and planning board meetings. And then we do have a couple of invoices to review. Sean, I apologize, but in case I have to leave before we get to that, could you bring those up. Okay. So now I'm going to email them to me. Yes, I will. I will email them the three of them to you right now. There's one denisco invoice and two of ours. Okay. Right. So now I'm going to pull up a calendar. That's sort of a pull it a three month look ahead, I guess, for lack of a better description. And again, apologies, because I'm working with one little screen. So can everybody see this? It's sort of a grid matrix. I assume that's yes. So the way this is organized, I find this kind of a useful tool at this point in the process because there's, there are multiple sort of activities going on. So I'm just going to go through them line by line. It will not take very long. So first of all, the consultant teams line. So across the top here, these dates on line this line three is the first week of each first day of each week. You know, here we are today with this ESBC meeting. And I will also mention that the funding agreement has been, I believe fully executed the town, the town has signed their piece of it and it is off to the MSBA we're just waiting for the MSBA signatures to come back. So that's a important milestone to recognize. In terms of what the consultant team is doing, the design development packet just going to the estimators on September 1, and that's a three week process. So we'll be getting those estimates back in late September. And here's that September 29th meeting that we talked about. So this line is the elementary school building committee. And this week after that in early October, we're going to be making the next submittal to the MSBA. Now the good thing about that is that we don't have to have, unlike the earlier ones that were pre funding agreement. You do not need to vote on that, but we will be reviewing the materials with you at the September 29 meeting. So tentatively, we should plug in a meeting, I think in late October. I tentatively am suggesting in the schedule that it could be November 3, but it could be the week previous. Kathy, I'm not sure how you want to settle that since we don't have a, the whole group here today should. I will just Margaret with these on the list. After the meeting, I'll double check with people on whether the third works for everyone. Okay. So we'll say it will say it's November 3. And then I'll send out an email to find out whether that whether anyone has a conflict with that. I know that they on my calendar since idea the week before that would be October 27. So, if Friday before so. Okay, so that's where the building committee is going to be meeting approximately once a month MSBA is an agreement is being executed and they will be in October. Early November, they will be reviewing the design doc design development documents. They do a very detailed review and provide back as they have before a lot of comments. Although this time the comments are going to be on the on more on the design drawings than they are on program issues. So, one of the important things that the design team is doing right now as confirming the list of any proprietary items with Rupert so Rupert we're going to be after you about that. There we there will be these tentative meetings aren't scheduled but I've sort of plugged them in so people could see there is going to be a follow up meeting with the town engineering departments to show design progress. We want to meet with the design subcommittee again on the exterior finishes, and then we will want to meet with the school leadership initially on interior finishes and then present that with the districts commentary to the building committee meeting. So, again, these meetings are not scheduled yet, but I just am where they're sort of out there and we'll be doing more to set them up on per on the permitting side, Donna and Tim and Benny and we'll probably talk about this some more, but we are anticipating that the first hearing of the con con review will be early November November 8 is their first November meeting. So, I see a hand up, Sean. I was going to say, you may have done this already but I strongly recommend meeting with the permit administrator probably in the next month or so to get a really good handle it again already on all the different boards and committees that will review this. Yeah, you know, my understanding is, our other project is, we have quite a few that have to draw into how to go through and what the review and sign off on things so yeah, in a really full understanding of all the different meetings and how far in advance things have to get to them. You know what their processes are and how often they meet sooner, but rather than later would be better. Yeah. Point noted, we will do some thought Kathy had a question. I build on Sean's definitely urge that and including things like the kitchen, you know, different pieces of it will require a board of health. Yeah. Well, and it's just, yes. And, and making sure that goes smoothly than my other question is, do we when in this design process do we have to go before the planning board is it after the various subgroups have looked at it. So, aside from other, so it's just, it's a pure question. Yeah. So, so the way that's why we do the permit administrator meeting all the permit agencies are in the room at the same time they all align their schedules they talk about who needs to go before who and we just did it with the library. For instance, so if they haven't done already that, but they need to know, and they'll say when the permits when the applications are available and all that kind of stuff. The permitted administrators functioning as a sort of central cog in the process. It includes fire health building planning conservation everybody. Okay. And I do want to add that we did have an initial meeting with is it Jennifer Mullins. Yes, if I forgive me if I got her name wrong. Thank you. And she was very helpful. And we discussed it in over broad terms, and we have an outline but now as soon as this set of documents goes to our cost estimators next week we are really going to and try to set all of those meetings up. Yeah, that you know I will say that the point at which the drawings go into the administrators the design team does have a chance to take a deep breath and kind of organize the next step so I that's when we'll be moving head with those pieces but thank you all for their reminder. Any other questions before I oh I want to welcome Allison. Thanks for seeking in there. I guess Kathy do you want to ask the here and be heard. Thanks for Allison just let us know you can hear us. And what Margaret just shared I will put in the packet right after this, you know with with a circle around November 3 that checking back but it's the key things to know Allison, September 29 should be on everyone's calendar already. And November 3 is the next potential one so there won't be one in October so that would be, and then I didn't see anything in over in December so it's right now two meetings in the fall, and until we hear differently of the full group. So with with that said, I'm going to turn it over to Dinesco. Exactly. Thank you. I will go through updates and what we will be submitting to the cost estimator in a week based on discussions that we've had with the committee as a whole and design and site subcommittee groups. Can you see that starting with the site. So this site plan reflects the changes that we have made throughout DD, including adding the pull off parking spots at the drop off area. At the very beginning of DD we added the band parking we've made some adjustments to the outdoor learning spaces. We're providing them for noise separation we've made some adjustments to the basketball courts, both the two that are together and the two half courts in a circle. This represents the soft services play area, the design of the structures itself and how the space on that is allocated as a discussion that we will have with school administrators going forward. So this is the area south of the existing building and also indicated on this plan and fight paint line here that I don't know that you can see but this represents where the PV canopies will be in the parking lot. And you'll notice that there are somewhat aligned with the playground all because all of this is going to happen south of the existing building that will be demolished once the new school is open and having all of these areas south of that line allows them to be operational on day one. So you will be at zero from the beginning with the PV and the playground will be there to serve the kids on the day that the school opens. Tim, if we ever wanted to add more PV canopies in the future over that figure, the section that's above, would it be a simple way to connect to the lower level and extend it or so things we could do now to make that or easily an option in the future. I could see that coming up and trying to find additional places and if we already have something set up and updated for that use, that might be a good option. There certainly is the space to expand the PV capacity in the parking lot. You're really only talking about a third of the parking lot once you've used the entire roof and we're using the roof first because it's a little less expensive. So the equipment, the inverters that converts the DC power to AC that the building use is on the poles so that can go anywhere and then there are transformers and meters currently. We have that in a little utility area near the generator and the other things that are going to have to be on the site down here. So the closer additional PV to that, the better, but that is a minor in the grand scale of things consideration. It is possible if it was a different system. This could be duplicated somewhere. But if that was a likely possibility, we would certainly plan for it in terms of the area for the secondary services. I mean, that's a long answer to say yes, it's possible certainly and to if we think it's likely we would plan for it. Yeah, if it's low cost to plan for it, I think it makes sense to plan for it just given what our goals are. You know, Tim, just building on what Sean has said, you know, we're looking at this townwide in terms of canopies. If you have the infrastructure for a conduit up by the field, which we talked about just would you potentially if the additional canopies weren't directly linked to the school to offset its energy use but we're going to be linked to the town building. I'm asking it as a question that's another possible electric in on our house. Yeah, so so understood and and you know if we if we discuss all the permutations in terms of permitting, you know, who owns the power. You know, it's a lengthy conversation but if it's if it's not directly connected to the school, some of the stuff that's down in this area of the site would probably be duplicated because it would be separately metered. And as a part of the overall cost of the installation that's minor but but any one of those situations or scenarios that you mentioned are possible it's just what best suits the town and honestly how you best want to pay for it. Thank you. And then one subtle change that we have not discussed in the site design subcommittee meeting or the larger committee meeting to this point is now that we are approaching DD and preparing for the concom submission to extoll mortar it's barely perceptible in this drawing but this space between the dry vial and the parking lot itself has become two feet wider. And that is to capture all of the water from the parking lot now that it has been determined what that flow will actually be and to make sure that the runoff from the new site. No more intense than the existing site. It was originally laid out with a good estimate and it turns out that we need just a little bit more volume in these spaces to capture and control that water before flows into the culvert under the site. This feature is at its deepest point I believe an 18 inch depression so it's it's not a retention it's basically a planted island and that move did move the dry vial to the east but it did not decrease the athletic field what changed is this strip got narrower and the slope of it deeper it went from a five and one slope to about a four and one slope so it's it's you can still comfortably walk up it. But it's a little bit steeper here. Jonathan have a question. More more related to what we're talking about earlier. Not so much PV but I can't remember how much we've talked about whether we're providing any EV charging stations as part of the parking lot design. We are providing. So there's a lead point and then there's a code minimum with the opt-in and we are hitting both of those and those are nine. Chargers and then there's the capacity to. Expand to 18 that that is what is required by leading code. We have also had discussions about possibly providing additional conduit in the same flavor of potentially expanding the PV. So as of right now we have the infrastructure for nine chargers and the conduit for 18. Yeah. So I just wanted to clarify that we're not providing the chargers correct. No we are. That is. We are trying to feeders. We're planning to prepare. Sorry. Thanks. Covers the site and anything that we have not presented before any questions before we move to the building. Phoebe. Can you just remind me or tell us now that the space in between the field and the drive is a little bit less. Can you tell me. How many like what that is. It's two feet narrower. Is that what you mean. This is grass with a little bit of a slope. Right. How wide is that. How wide is it. It's probably about. It's about 20 feet from the sidewalk to where it becomes level and you start playing. Okay. Thank you. Where. Yeah. Where it will be irrigated to let the drainage under it. And it will be a level play service. Alison. Alison. It seems like your. The audio is not connected. I'm not sure. Is she waving us off. Yeah. There's a. You can test switch to leave. Computer audio. So you might check your, your audio settings. I think she's gotten out and is going to get back in from the looks of it. Okay. Disappeared. Yeah, we don't have tech set up so she can't send us a message. So. Seemed like she may have had a question about the site. So I don't know if we want to give her a minute or move on to the building. Okay. We can come back. I'll tell her. She can also. Yeah. Why don't you just keep. She just joined. She just joined. I don't know if we can hear you, Alison. Do you want to text it? Do you want to type in the chat? Oh, I don't know if we can do that. Yeah. We don't have chat set up over. Right. Where the mute button is, is where you can see what kind of audio you're on. If you do the up arrow. It's. Switch to phone audio, leave computer audio, audio setting. Or, or Alison, you can text me the question and I'll read it to the group. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? This is so weird. Thank you, Kathy. You said the right thing. Sorry for the delay. I just wanted to double check. Maybe it was already stated. I thought that there was a, I thought that there was a, I just wanted to double check. Maybe it was already stated. I thought that there was going to be some type of coverage for the parking spaces farther away from the building. I didn't know if that was my, I may have misunderstood, but I thought I had understood that. That there might be some coverage farther away. Now the coverage is closer to the building due to phasing. And I, I don't doubt that I misstated or, or stated it unclearly at some point, but the coverage is at the south end of the lot. And the reason for that is so it can be built while the existing building is still there. This drawing doesn't happen to show the existing building, but it's right. It's actually over the drive aisle and right up against the parking lot. So to build the parking lot and the kind of piece while the existing building is there would be problematic. But Allison, your memory is great because we did have a discussion about this in an early point and kind of incenting the further away parking spaces by having the coverage there. But as Tim says, it's changed because of phasing. So thank, good catch. Thank you for pointing that out. Just quickly refreshing, moving through the plans. The only changes that have been made are small and technical. Shaft sizes have changed. Actually, the elevator has moved a few feet to get out of the way of some steel in the building. But the program elements are as they have been. And as you have seen them numerous times before, moving to the second floor, another of the small changes that the custodial closet here outside the library and by the stair has shifted the shafts that are taking air from the air handlers on the roof to the various spaces in the building have been adjusted some, but this still way out is the same. We've also, yes. I'm just go back on that. I don't think at the full committee, it happened at a working group, the switch with the steam room being adjacent to the library is on this diagram and it was agreed that there isn't a door into the library for this. We had gotten a comment. Because the two doors are right adjacent and the library needs all that wall space for bookcases. That happened in a meeting with the librarians, I think. So I'm just, I don't think we've stated that clearly for the full committee. Thank you, Kathy. And that actually brings me to another point. The library itself, there were some changes that were discussed in that meeting. Previous plans have shown the circulation desk against the workroom here. So you would walk into the library and be faced with the circulation desk and the library proper would be to your right. In speaking with the librarians, they felt it would be better that the circulation desk is right there as you walk in. It's on your right. You walk past it to which we have to do their transactions in terms of book lookup station and then beyond it out of the stacks, reading areas and classroom functions. And you'll see that in a few minutes we have some interior images to share. Thank you. And then the other changes were, you know, slight tweaks in shafts, size of the mechanical and electrical room. Looking at the West elevation, the main entrance. Some changes that we discussed at the last. Building design subcommittee we've. At the administration. We've replaced the metal panels that we have adjacent to the punch windows with a patterning of masonry. It's a bit more subtle. It still recalls what you have at the classroom area, but it's sort of keeping in flavor with the front of the building and the more solid volumes. And it's perhaps a little. A little bit more. Or let's say it this way that the, the main feature that we have as the canopy in the roof edge with the bright color does most of the work on this elevation. And you'll see a little more of this as we have, show the video that goes around the building. We've also changed the material at the media center, the gym and the music room that we were once showing as. A little skin metal panel to a masonry material. And we think that in terms of costs of durability. And it achieves all the aesthetic goals that we want. It's the right decision. And that's what we've included for the DD costs. Walking around the building. Here you can see some of the comments that we've. Incorporated the glazing at the. Music room is mostly higher up, letting more light into the room. We've added a window at the stage area so that room can be used. And you'll see that more as we go around. We've extended the canopy. As you leave the cafeteria. So there is. 12 feet of coverage coming out of this door right now. You can see where we once had single skin metal panel. We are now showing masonry material and breaking it up with some patterning. You know, this is design development. It is not the end of the design process. Some of the tweaks can still be made throughout the design and final design detail design of the project. So patterns, colors, masonry. We will still. Be talking about that with you and refining as we get to. The end of the design process. Here's an overall view of the. We're going to be looking at the west corner looking from the drop off file with some of those. Refinements. And then I will say that we do have a metal edge as we've discussed where these. Roof edges come to the ground at the canopy, the music room. And around the library right now it's rendered as. Neutral at the music room. And media center, but we do have the opportunity to. To see what other colors to. Tie it all together. Moving around to the other side of the building. Here's a closer look at some of the patterns that we are suggesting to break up the masonry facade at the main administration area. Even though these windows into these offices and conference rooms are quite large, just with the shape of the building, the proportion of the opening. To the masonry wall itself sort of lends itself to. Some articulation of the wall this much brick without any patterning or change of color would probably seem. A bit large. And then you can see here. We've changed the material at the. Top of the gymnasium to a masonry material. Another thing that you can see in this image. Is the screen at the. Roof equipment on top of the gymnasium. This will not be visible from the ground, but to this point we've carried. Three air handlers and three energy recovery units. For six total pieces of equipment and we've combined them into. Three units total with incorporated energy recovery. Those units are a little bit differently shaped. So this roof screen. If anyone noticed has moved south a little bit. We don't feel that it. You know, has a major impact on the design, but it is different than what you've seen in the past. So I wanted to point that out. Here's another look from the drop off loop as one would be exiting. Look at the main administration room. This is the roof screen. And the gymnasium. And a closer view of the gym. What is the material over the, over the windows on the administration building the, it looks. It's the pattern. So the pattern is brick masonry, if you will. It is different colors and we would. Anticipate reveals in and out of the courses. Up to a half inch at a time. You know, if that pattern, as we're showing here is not. And we certainly want to review options with you. But we feel that patterns and colors within the masonry itself can do quite a bit of work until in terms of breaking up the facade and, and helping the composition of it. And it's a cost effective means of dealing with this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is there another question? Rupert has his hand up. Hi, Tim. Excuse me. I have a couple of roofing questions. I remember you were talking about moving the roof access for service. And I'm wondering how that interfaces with the revised. Roof screen. And then the other question that I have, I'll give them both to you at the same time. Do you think it would be on the roof to be flushed to the roof surface or. Slope tilted elevating in some way. So. This. Roof is slope at seven degrees and the panels on that roof will be flush to the roof. And actually. You, they are drawn here, but they are extremely washed out. So it's not fair to say that they are shown accurately. So. There is a small curve on this roof line. So unless you are very. Far back from the building. On the site. You most likely will not see PV here. You know, as. But the roof itself. The flat roof, the main roof, all of those PV panels are. Sloped, but they will be high enough that you will not see them from the ground. And then to answer your question about access, I'm going to go back to the plans really quick. To show you how to get there. So the. They are not shown on this plan, but this is the third floor. This is the gym roof where those three air handling units will be this. L shape is actually a small enclosure on the roof where the units will exit the air handlers and penetrate the roof. And so from the third floor landing of stair A, there is a door directly to the gymnasium roof. So that's how those pieces of equipment will be accessed. And then. This stair. Is going to continue to the high roof. So there will be a man door. With access directly to the higher from there, two more large pieces of equipment. On the roof. That actually go to this shaft. So all of the major pieces of equipment on the roof. There will be direct access to from a full stair. Thanks, Tim. That's very helpful. I also have to say that's actually quite good access. So nice job team. I second that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Only some people came to revisit one school where you had to climb a vertical ladder. To get to. Which is very common. I'm sorry. But if you do have to get on the music room roof, you will have to probably use a ladder, but that's a small portion of the entire room. So, and there's no equipment there. So we're not. Oh my God. I'm so disappointed. I don't know. I don't know. That there's other videos that show. The exterior and then some work and what we have. Can I just comment that it looks like Tammy has also joined the meeting. Can you. Can you hear us and. She might have to do the same thing of clicking right next to the mute button. Tammy, there's an up arrow. And then you can choose computer audio or something. Something worked for Alice. Um, so I don't know if you can hear me. I finally like figured everything out. I couldn't hear anybody. It was, anyways, finally got it. Thank you. So we're going to take a path similar to one that we have taken around the building before here. You can see probably the most noticeable difference would be the lack of the metal panels near the punch windows and the masonry at the music room instead of metal panel. There is a lot of opportunity to adjust those patterns and those colors and we think it will, you know, provide the look that we're going for in terms of. So right now, this is partially updated to the current site plan. The area that is underneath the camera in green is where the playground would be. It should not be rendered as correct as grass. I apologize, but this view is the view you would get from the center of the soft surface player. Yeah. Much of the facade on the eastern side of the building is as you have seen it before. And then I want to really point out that these fences are incorrectly modeled. They should only be at the eastern edge of the basketball areas, the fence to the north and south that are out there. The fence is only to stop the ball from going to the stormwater features. This is the view while elevated from the area where the outdoor learning pavilion and planter gardens will be. And then we're gonna. Rupert, this shows the stair B extended to the roof. So on the backside of this structure, there is a door that would get you to the rooftop equipment that you cannot see here because it's actually not that large. The screened in service area and the gym. This is a little washed out so you can't see the contrast mason material at the roof edge, but there it is. And then again, this is the first time that we've shown this masonry patterning and then maybe someone likes it, maybe someone hates it, but there is a world of possibilities there that we think we can come to with the building design subcommittee that will get us the right composition on this facade and do it within the budget and the durability requirements that everyone has for the project. Now we're gonna go into the project areas. We talked a little bit about them at the last design subcommittee. We talked about taking the millwork that separates the project areas outside of the classrooms and doing two seating areas. And we don't think we have this finalized yet, but we've sort of doubled the sort of seating inches. And we can talk about the proportion, shape and size. I think Allison mentioned that they were maybe a little too large because a kid wants a little privacy in there, but maybe we have one large, one small, but we've developed this to capture the cost. Jonathan, did you have a question? Or did I not see that? No, I just needed to find the unmute button. I just wanted to say, I like the way you're developing those. I'm sure we'll talk about them some more, but I like how you kind of angle them out now. You can kind of see them as you come down the corridor, I think with a nice touch. And then the color changes, I should mention. There are a lot of surfaces here that are inherently flexible in terms of color. The lockers are painted metal and that might not be had the face on the storage above the lockers is PLAM. Right now it's rendered as wood, which would be an assimilation of wood, but it could be any color. And then all of this soffit material is essentially painted gypsum. So we just showed a few here and the lights themselves. But we know we have to have a discussion about wayfinding and identity of the spaces in the building. So this is just one of the ways that we could incorporate that. And then here we are in the media center with the circulation desk at your right as you come in, which is different than you have seen in the past. The rest of the library is similar. The crew learning space is ahead by the glass and then there's soft seating over there, the teacher workroom. The lighting is what we started to develop and we think that captures enough flexibility for cost, but it is a language of spheres and pendant rings that we think work in just about all of the spaces in the building modified in some ways. So there's like a lot of color and a lot of volume hanging from the ceiling, excuse me, that will allow us to do some playful things. And here it is in the cafeteria with a series of ceiling clouds, ceiling elements that are dish shaped that hang below the main ceiling to give it a little more geometry shape and interest. And Jelica, did you have a question? Was that myself? Yes, yes, I have my, it's hard to see with my bookcase as always, but I just wanted to go back to the library because I didn't see sort of where if you could go back to the, it might be like the reading area. I know that in Port River and Inwala they have this like little area where the librarians will read to the kids. Is there like a seating or lower ground reading area? There is, and I'm sorry, we did not push the camera over to that part of the library for this particular video, but you can just see the hint of it here. So there's a space with the bookcases pulled away and we have soft furniture arranged there. Great, thank you. It is hard to see, but there's one, two, three, four, five bookshelves in the far corner and there's only two I guess, maybe three. So there's a substantial amount of space, you just can't see it in the video. Got it. A comment on the library, but also I want you to go back to the project area in a second. I think all of those shelves, the short shelves move. So it also allows reconfiguration, if you had a bigger group or you wanted to create more of these spaces. It is correct that they move. I will also add that moving them is not something that you would undertake on a daily or frequent basis, but that being said, they are movable. So in the project area, what you showed us when we were at the subcommittee, over you, because you removed some file cabinets, you had room to build, can people see it brought a window down and a whiteboard between them, which was, I thought a nice addition to the project area to make it a project area. So the idea is that, sorry, I'm going a little too fast here, that as a child or anyone walking down the corridor. So you have a connection to the outside at an open door or a large side light, you can see directly through the classroom to the outside. Moving through, there are instances where the clear story window to the classroom breaks in the millwork between the corridor and the project areas, give you glimpses. It's not a window that you can look at and contemplate the outside, but it gives you hints and a real connection. But these project areas themselves, yes, we've taken a few lockers out, we've given a writing surface. There is task chairs and tables, there is a whiteboard of the inside and tacked surface on the other. And these boxes are designed as places where a child could sit and read or just do whatever they wanted to do there. This is rendered with a little bit of storage up here, but I don't know that that is really workable. But as we get into this with the staff, and the design subcommittee, we can really define what this thing wants to be, how to sit on it, how to engage with it and how it shapes the space. Up to this point, it was sort of wrecked on here, just a straight line down the hall, as Jonathan said, we've tried to add a little movement into it. So that language of lighting circles on the ceiling plane continues looking through from the corridor and lobby into the gymnasium. There's still work certainly to be done about the details around the aperture of the stage. Kathy. Sean, first, since I got to speak with you. Oh, yeah, it's not a big thing. I've seen in some mostly movies where sometimes kids can write on the glass with certain types of dry erase and almost have the whiteboard be seen through. Is that an option or is there pros and cons to that? Certain types of glass that allow that to happen more easily? If this element were a frosted glass, I mean, it's certainly possible. There's probably a cost consideration versus a typical whiteboard, but we would love to hear any suggestions about what this space really wants to be from the people who are going to use it. If it was frosted glass, would it feel a little more open, do you think? A little more light would come through? Probably. Yes, I do think that. So I think, Sean, are you referring to which whiteboard? The one, this large one? Yeah, that could be in the cafeteria or if there's any clubs or anything like that happening there or it could be in this project space as well. If it's a huge cost, obviously, you've got to be mindful of that, but if it's not, there might be, I don't know, I don't know that people weigh in whether they think that's a good idea or not. Yeah, I think that's, it's a kind of a creative and clever approach to it. I think what that wall really serves is tax surface where each class can provide or display their artwork, the kids' faces, their names, they have different themes throughout the year they do, my family is type of thing. So I think we would defer to Allison and Tammy if they feel that this tax surface is important because there isn't much other place in the project area to display class work. And we can circle back with them. Oh, go for it, Tammy. Thanks. I for one really appreciate this extended, whether it's a whiteboard or tax area because one, it could serve as a way to simultaneously use it as a whiteboard to show something if we have like a projector out there and then the whiteboard space to write up problems, but students frequently work with like large newsprint. So I think it offers a lot more plus to be honest, like if there's a class walking down, it also serves as a distract, like a deterrent for distraction. So. I apologize, folks. This is the moment I've got to jump. So I'll catch up with you all later and thank you and happy Labor Day. Allison has her hand up also. Is that, I didn't hear if it was magnetized because a lot of our whiteboards are magnetized. So I would have assumed it was. The whiteboards with spec are, yes. Yeah, so yeah, that gives you options. You don't have to write on it. You can use little magnets to take, put, work up. Yeah, as long as it has a magnetic function, I think that'll be fine. I'm not a big fan of bulletin boards personally, just it's not usable enough. And I think if it's a whiteboard, you can still put work up, you can work on it. It's just, it serves a lot of multi-purposes. Bulletin boards, I feel are too static and trying to help them be more interactive is something I'd want us to go towards if I had my choice. But I don't want to, I think Tammy, I don't want to speak for Tammy, I just, it's a personal thing. Sure, and we can further have those conversations when we start talking about the interior, kind of materials, colors, et cetera, with the subgroup. So that's great, thank you. So I have a completely different question. The lights in all of these places, are they dimmable? So if it was not so much, well, even these. So if it was a really nice sunny day, could the cafeteria lights be enough masked and controlled by the teachers or controlled centrally? Yes, the lights are controllable, they're dimmable. Standard spec for classrooms is there's a lighting control that will dim, at the very least, the outermost pendant. But light harvesting is certainly something that will be programmed into, it's actually a code required, the lighting control package. Thank you. And then, yeah, this last little bit is where the interior movie is all that we have. I mean, we have the lighting laid out in the lobby itself and we are looking at moving the seating or a soft seating area toward the door, but we don't have anything rendered to show you on that. But we have changed the lighting to the rings and the spheres to be consistent with the language in the rest of the building. And we do think that it will light the space. It will be objects that define the space. And then with the clear story glass and the glass at the end of the building, it will sort of function and be visible from the outside and darker times almost like a lantern. Angelica has it. Yeah, I'm glad to hear that there will be some, and teacher rendering some showing us a little bit about the spaces in the front, because that's one of the questions I had. I know people, folks had been raising, like they wanted to see some kind of little lobby area or little area for parents to help transition their kids when they're inside. I think a nice model for that was like Crocker Farm Elementary. They have like two little areas where after you get into the main administration, you have like two little areas where there's like three or so couches and it's a nice area to help transition kids, especially for kids with special needs, it helps us to have some place to sit and help with the transitions as kids are dealing with that. And I wanted to see if there will be a space like that or if it's just gonna be furniture or if it's like a little bit, kind of more like the Crocker Farm model where they have that little lobby, like a little lobby in the back. We are looking at a seating area, something in the main lobby. I don't know that we don't have space in the building to dedicate a room, but we are certainly looking at how we can carve out a niche or an area that is away from the stimulation of the glass cafeteria and toward the front seat, that's the front door as you're coming directly into the building. And as we develop that, we will certainly bring to the design subcommittee and the larger group. Thanks. Tim, in terms of other than the beauty of the building that's in between the walls, the code change, the code change to Teddy, when we're getting the next estimate, this came up at the last sustainability committee when you explained this. It was an issue of did you have to add insulation? Did you have to go to triple paying glass? Did you have to go to triple on all windows? Is that all gonna be part of this next estimate? That is all gonna be part of this next estimate. And the most recent, but not still entirely complete information that we have from Thornton Commissetti is that we are on the path to meet Teddy. We are going to have alternates for additional insulation in the exterior walls, some building controls that control ventilation tied to CO2 sensors, which make things a bit more efficient. And we are also continuing to carry the alternate for triple paying glass. The most recent Teddy calculations of the Thornton Commissetti has said that double paying glass would actually be better. The reason for that is yes, triple paying glass heats is more insulative, it would do better. But in the cooling season, and that is a lot of the energy used by the building, it actually uses more energy to cool the building because it's keeping the heat in, if that makes sense. So the overall energy budget of the building will actually be lower if we use double paying glass with a higher shading coefficient. So that is gonna be the basis of design, and then we're gonna do the alternate in case the calculations change. But yes, we are still carrying the alternates that we have previously discussed, just when we finally get the final resolution of the Teddy calculations, but we do believe that we are on track. And can you, it sounds like we'll be able to see this to the extent, I mean, every time we say cost estimate, it's like, oh no, not another one of those. But to the extent the code change has increased our costs, will you be able to talk us through that when we see them at the end of September? Either that we did have to do this, or we already, it turned out, yeah. Yeah, we will be able to talk about the changes that we just mentioned, the glass and the insulation, whether we need them or not, and then anything mechanically that we had to include that we would not have otherwise. But some, but that is not the whole picture. There are certainly a lot that is just good practice that helps us get to the code. So it will, we will walk you through it, but it will be a nuanced conversation. Thank you. And that is the synopsis that we have. We are submitting drawings to our cost estimator next Friday. As Margaret mentioned, there's a three-week process and after that we will know where we are and hopefully be right on target. So Margaret's not here to walk us through the agenda, but the two other items, in addition to the invoices, was a quick report. I think, Jonathan, if you can give it verbally that we talked about, or I can do it, but there's subcontract under the answer contract for the net zero consultant. Same, we're on track to net, and it's in everybody's packet. Just, we had a discussion on that. And then there were a few things we'd received him over the time period on public comments. There was one on a question about an alternative surface for the port in place, and then Angelica, there were some that came in from CPAC. So just, if we could maybe do the Jonathan one first, just to make sure we bring it to the full committee. These aren't for votes, this is just for strong recommendation and moving forward, yeah, Jonathan. I'm gonna lean on you a little bit, Kathy, because it's been multiple weeks at this point, but we did have a, I think a good conversation about the proposed contract from answer to do the third party kind of review of the, and development of the checklists for meeting the net zero by-law. And I think that subcommittee felt like it was a good proposal and was supportive of it. And it's already been built in, Sean, you can double, I can double check. It's been built into the larger answer contracts. So moving forward with that means that the, at the sustainability, when we schedule, which we don't have it scheduled yet, the consultant could come in with the proposed checklist. And this is really, as she starts to go through the existing plans, but particularly as we get closer to construction with the construction documents, what she's gonna be looking at. So she laid that out, that is in the package. So I'm right, Sean, right, that the price tag is already in as a subcontract? Yeah, so there's a placeholder for the peer review already within the OPM's contract. Our conversation was more about who would do that. Just, you know, typically we don't weigh in on sub consultants or our major contractors or our contractor that directly. But there are questions about this one, and what it would look like because it's a new process. We had a good conversation. I thought what that process would look like, where it's a back and forth to hopefully address some of the questions about it. And I think, yeah, today we're looking for, are we good to move forward because we wanna get the sub consultant on working with the OPM as quickly as possible. And we voted unanimously to say move forward and to recommend to the full committee. And there's a zoom of it. Margaret was taking notes. I don't think we have the notes yet, but that the vote was unanimous of the sustainability. So, you know, I'm not, as Sean said, we don't typically even look at subcontracts. So this is just to enable us to move forward. It will provide a model for the town, for other buildings going forward. So I think it's a good precedent we're setting. So Paul, I, you know, I'm comfortable either way of just saying this is our strong recommendation. I didn't put it on for a vote because it's a subcontract, but I wanted to let people know that the committee knew about it. Yeah, I think we are mostly looking for, if there's any objections at this point. Again, this is a contract between the OPM and their consultant. Thank you. And I think, you know, the comments I've received, we need to talk about this more and have a longer discussion, which we did the sustainability subcommittee. So what we're really looking for is if anyone objects to moving forward with the proposal that was submitted. And if not, you know, we would move forward or the OPM would move forward. Don't see any, you know, we received the initial public comment. Everyone received it and that's what, then then we had the subcommittee meeting. I mean, there was a strong endorsement of this. So I think it looks like we're good to go on it then is what I would say. I'm not seeing any other hands up. So Donna or Tim on the other two issues that were raised that we said we would try to address at this meeting. I mean, we did, yeah. Yeah, sure, sure. So just let me know if I don't address all of them. I think one of the questions was the parking for parents to be able, this is kind of in response to CPAC, these responses that we created that separate parking area for parents to park to be able to take their time with their children or students as they bring them into the school. So I think we pretty much addressed that. There was another question I'm just reading so that's why I'm not looking at you. So I apologize. There was also, I think a question or request to also provide additive parking and the parking lot for parents to also be able to park and then walk their students into the school and maybe even their classrooms. And this really needs to be an operational discussion that needs to be a policy from the schools and how that's going to be handled, not just for parents with students that need more time or special needs. But if it, does that apply to the whole community? So it really kind of gets into an overarching operational discussion. But we are really happy to say that we were able to provide that cut out for those students that really do require that additional time. There's a question about mirrors or so to create either mirrors or kind of a closed circuit TV or something so that parents could observe and watch their students in the classroom. That is not allowed to the best of our understanding both from a teacher contract or from an operational perspective. So I think I would have to defer to the school department to respond to that further but it's our understanding that that's just not allowed. And then it goes the same with the cameras whether it was one way mirrors or cameras to be able to observe their students in the classroom. So I believe those are not allowed and if more information is needed or requested we can have maybe that offline conversation with the school department. We talked about the steam, the music, the STEM or STE room switching with the art. So we think that's great. And I think the last question might have been Kathy about the port in place play area or play surface after a lot of discussion, review, evaluation it's been determined that the really only fully accessible surface is this port in place that we did spend a lot of time evaluating the wood fiber, the engineered wood fiber material and it is not fully accessible. In fact, a lot of the material that these manufacturers put out actually recommend that we put like rubber mats and stuff underneath the equipment that is used frequently so that it preserves or provides longevity to that surface. So we're gonna stay with the port in place because we feel it is the most universally accessible material for all students and it's also porous. I just wanna make sure everyone understands not hard impervious, it is porous. So we really believe that provides all of the attributes that we're looking for. Did I miss any question? And then Angelica, the other thing was the parent waiting area. So we're developing that as well. Angelica, I think you raised your hand so. No, I first wanted to express my deep thanks to you all for incorporating that parking. That's like incredible news and we're so excited. I think that addresses a real big need. So thank you so much. Yeah, you have huge advocates. Allison and Tammy were out there. Yeah, yeah. And I completely, I think we part of the discussion we had when we did the site list that was about the additive parking. And it was great to hear also the perspective from the school principals. So definitely that's part of, great to hear that's gonna be part of a discussion. And it's definitely something that there are some significant cons to that. I did wanna raise some updates with the glass question. It's actually not about mirrors, it's about glass. So the question was basically how can the existing design help address or facilitate observations that are part of legal rights of parents with students with IEPs and 504s? So by law, by the idea we have the legal right to parent observations of our students. So part of the concern and part of that was part of the pandemic has been that it's been a challenge to do those observations partly because it's been a challenge to get into the buildings and now as we're moving away from the pandemic it's also a challenge with certain parts certain of our learners in programs because being there to observe would be a disruption to their learning. So the question that's where I just wanted to contextualize where the concerns about like, well, several approaches are available broadly. One would be having cameras and another one would be having through the mirrors in the classrooms because the design itself has a lot of mirrors which is wonderful for light but maybe there's a possibility of using that design through like a two-way mirror as a way of allowing for non-disruptive observations. So, and some of those models we looked at was for instance in Worcester, Nelson Price Elementary has a one-way mirror glass with audio for both sub separate and general education classrooms. So there are nearby models and I'm happy to send information to those nearest five hours. So we wrote to, I'm sorry, not we, Faye Brady kindly wrote to Mike Morris and we received a response in mid-August that said that these topics would be part of an upcoming agenda in the school. And I think either here or this, that this is not a decision for, I'm sorry, he said, I'm trying to read this, okay. So he said that this will become a part of an upcoming agenda in the, in the SBC and that the issue of the cameras would need to be a district decision given the broad implications. And I guess our concern is to figure out some clarity about is it a teacher contract issue or is it a district decision because in other districts that has been approved and if so what would be the process for having this part of the decision or a policy recommendation? Given also that there's a lot of upheaval right now with the school committee about how it's functioning what would be coming up? So I guess that we have just a lot of questions about clarity about whether this is a teacher contract issue or a school committee issue or how the decision-making would happen on the possibility of this or at least certain classroom spaces like the ILC aims and building blocks. So Alison, your hand is up. I just wanted to offer because there are a few concerns and so yes there are some things that I would wanna make sure that we work with our teacher union on because there are concerns around being filmed that was strictly expressed during the pandemic and so that would be something that would need to be discussed. The other issue is when it comes to the cost of changing the actual building that is something that is a concern. So I'm wondering if as we are moving forward I wonder if there is a type of furniture like a mirror that could be put in the room rather than building a whole wall. It's just a thought. I like to be aware of the different options because we do have parents who come in and observe. That's not the issue. I hear Angelica saying that trying to observe without it causing a disruption and for certain students is something that is the concern. And so I'm wondering if there's a piece of equipment that would help with that concern as opposed to changing the building itself because the cost of changing the building could be prohibitive in this experience. So those are just my thoughts. The filming part, I just know that there's a lot of other things to that because then it took for us to get to remote learning it took work to get to that point. And so I'm not sure where we would be in working with the union on that piece. So those are just my thoughts at this time. Paul. Yeah, so I just want to support what Allison said that, you know, I think that I worry about making permanent changes in the structure of the building for a function that we might... I worry about sort of indiscriminate observation when you really want to control who is, you know, if it's a parent who has the authority to observe versus someone walking down the hall or something. I mean, I know there's contractual issues with film with cameras or, you know, but I think that that might be, gives you more flexibility in terms of being able to observe remotely. I know there's union issues with that but it also lets you position cameras or turn them off paper. It's easier to install cameras and uninstall cameras versus once you put in some big piece of glass that might be very expensive and you say, oh, we can't use that now because it's something or other. So I just think in our role as school building committee, we should be deciding on flexibility for so that the school committee can make the decision that it needs to make down the road. Delica. Thanks so much for this clarification, Allison. I think it really helps to get a sense exactly what the teacher contract issue meant. Certainly if this is a union, that's the concern. I like the furniture idea and I think it would be great to continue the conversation about what could be because certainly there's a lot of cost issues at stake but there's also some things where I don't necessarily see that it's the cost of changing the actual building because if it's an issue about in like three classrooms doing a one-way mirror it doesn't seem, it seems like the design's there. Everything's beautiful about the design. It just would be about adding a different kind of glass and since we were talking about glass and different paints it would just be, would be great to just continue in that conversation and see what would be the cost of say in certain classrooms doing a one-way glass to allow for greater observations or what would be that furniture mirror possibility of allowing for non-disruptive observations. So yeah, that would be fantastic. Thank you for your ideas. Angelica, we toured Nelson Place as it's called Nelson Place, right? Nelson Place as well, I think. And what we saw and we also saw it Sunita Williams and other school in Nita was they had the one-way mirrors or being able to look into the room at the de-escalation rooms but we hadn't seen them for any of the general classrooms. So if you know, I would love to explore this more and understand what they use. So if you do know of it and there is someone over there that could speak to it that would be huge if you have a, you mentioned that you've been there. So that would be really helpful. Thank you. I'm not seeing any other hands up on this. Yeah, and Donna, I do remember the one and it was one small room that had a, it was either a wall or it was translucent, but it was a small, there were no inner quarter windows into classrooms at all. They were- No, that was the de-escalation. They were solid walls, yeah. Right. So I think we have invoices and I wanna be conscious of people's time and we do have people in the public. So Sean, did Margaret send you the invoices? Yeah, let me see if I can share. I think I enabled everyone to share. So that would include you. Can you see the invoice on your screen? Yes. I can. Is it large enough to read? I'm not- Yeah, yes, it's fine. Yeah, it looks fine to me. Okay, so we have two invoices from Ansar, our OPM and we have one invoice from Denesco, the designer. So this first one from Ansar is sort of on June, it's pretty much $6,770. As a reminder, our OPM contract is sort of a hours-built type of arrangement where our designer contract is a more of a flat B pay, sort of based on the phase. So these invoices are always gonna fluctuate from month to month. If this phase, they're relatively small, you'll start to see these ramp up and be more extensive during construction, unlike with the designer where their fee is more front-loaded. Outs are going to be sign and planes a little bit once we get to construction. So this first one is for $6,770. As always, they provide the backup as to who's doing what. Again, we have three people really working right now, Mark, right at Casanya, who does a lot of management, management behind the scenes type work and Bob Stevens. The next one is for the month of July, what, $1,220? Same thing in terms of the backup. And then the last one is for NISCO. So we're done with feasibility and schematic design. Now the reimbursables associated with that component. Now we're into this next phase. So we're in design development. This is what was in our contract, $1,480,000. On the last full meeting, we've approved their first two invoices for the months of May and June. And so this invoices for July and they get sort of people increments each month. So a base fee of $2,970 for this month. And then there were some reimbursables charges. So a reversal for the lead registration and certification for some of the ever sourced consulting services that we're doing in order to get the incentives and Donna, if I may ask questions, you probably can explain more what this is. I assume this is related to the energy modeling or the structure of the building and bringing on somebody to look at that. So total reimbursable services of $8,900. So the total fee between the reimbursable and the base for design development is $306,700 for the month of July. And they attach all their documentation as well. Invoices from the consultants are working with it. The reimbursables is rolling back on the workforce participation as well. I move to approve the invoices as presented. I'll second. Thank you. One thing, when I put it to vote, I want to point out, I think I'm right, Sean. When we're approving this, this is partially billed to MSBA now, is that correct? Yeah, so really starting with the last meeting, all the invoices after schematic design will be billed to the MSBA for reimbursement. So we'll start getting, you know, 60% roughly reimbursement for all those invoices. When I lead, I've shown Jennifer LeFounten, who's the town's treasurer-collector, she's been in the town for over 20 years. Super, super solid person, does a lot for the town. She's going to take on my role in terms of managing the invoices and managing sort of our tracking spreadsheet, working with the OPM on contracts and billing. So I brought her up to speed. She may join this committee at some point in the future to kind of, again, look for continuity purposes. But as of right now, she's working with me behind the scenes to keep everything moving. So there won't be any drop-off in terms of sort of managing the financial piece of the project. Thank you. So if any other comments otherwise I'm putting it to a vote. Okay, Shane votes yes. Jonathan? Yes. Paul? Yes. Allison? Tammy? Yes. John? Yes. Angelica? Yes. Debbie? Yes. Simone? Yes. And Rupert? Yes. It's unanimous. Thank you, Sean. Are there any other comments? As I said, I will poll people to make sure that November 3rd date works. And then if it does work, Margaret will put a hold on people's comments, calendars. So at this point, if I don't see any hands and everyone knows this is going to cost estimates, I'm going to open it up to public comments. So we have five people. I was asked to announce this. I didn't at the beginning, but we have five people, Chris Riddle, Rudy Perkins, Bruce Caldman, Maria Kopepe and Tony Cunningham. And I will bring the first person in. We already did. How about Rudy and Kopepe? Thank you. Thank you. Hi, thanks, Rudy Perkins. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, great. As I mentioned at the sustainability committee hearing, by the way, the school looks fantastic. So thank you so much for keeping up the good work. And we're going to be so proud of this school, I'm sure. But on the energy front, as I mentioned at the sustainability committee, the 2018 changes in the bylaw were in essence a compromise that took us from a performance-based review of whether the building met compliance with our bylaw to a modeling-based review, which depended on the certification by the architect that the building, if built as per the construction documents would meet the definition of zero energy capable. And that as a backstop to that, that there would be a peer reviewer that would confirm that that was also true, that the building if built per the construction documents would meet our definition of zero energy capable. As I pointed out in the subcommittee meeting, this contract is a bit fuzzy to put it generously about how that role, that confirmation, the peer review confirming the section FE2 confirmation per the bylaw would occur. And since you guys have decided to go with it, I think it's going to be incumbent on the ESBC to closely review the reports from the peer reviewer and make sure that an actual confirmation per the requirement of our bylaw in section E2 that the building will meet the definition of zero energy capable if constructed per the construction documents, that that is stated unequivocally in the report at some point so that we know we have compliance. We need those two things to know we have compliance, the certification, the architect to that effect and the confirmation by the peer reviewer to that effect. And since the contract is not going to get us there very precisely, I think that the committee or the subcommittee on sustainability are really going to have to pay careful attention and discuss those for the public those reports coming up so that we know that our building complies. Secondly, I wanted to know where are we at in the energy modeling and the assessment of whether the PV capacity that we've planned are going to match or be exceeded by the PV. I don't, I couldn't find a report from TT about it and it sounds like they're still working on that. And yet we're sending design development documents to the MSBH to the cost estimator shortly. We'll need to know that we've got all the elements in for PV, for example, that will allow us to comply with the bylaw. So at some point it'd be good to see those reports preferably in a subcommittee meeting where they could be discussed. Thirdly, just on the peer reviewer again, that peer reviewer is supposed to be making a report at the DD level. And I don't think has that report been done yet? How do we know that the peer reviewer is confirming at per the subcontract that was proposed? I think they're, they proposed reviewing and reporting at several different stages, including 100% DD. So I'm wondering when we're going to get that report so that we know or we at least have a strong confirmation that the building is going to meet our bylaw. So I hope that these items will be addressed. I haven't seen anything really discussing the plug load and the equipment loads and the kitchen equipment models and what they're going to draw. I'm eager to see all that to, because our bylaw talks about making sure our PV has the capacity to carry all those loads. And they haven't been discussed in any detail. They're just been an approximate fraction given. So I hope the sustainability committee will meet, we'll discuss these things and we'll review the peer review reports carefully in front of the public for public comment. Thank you. Thank you, Rudy. Are you managing this, Shauna? Do you want me to? I'll just bring the next person in. Okay, Chris, I think I've allowed you to talk. Hi, I'm talking. Let's see, I'm talking to a man left the pandemic behind. Let's see, let me just say that I would just want to second that. I tend to see that, but he seems to have done a careful analysis and my feeling is that the better of the bylaw here, at least not with him tainted it, but I'm going to compare with the letter of it. So then, again, and if we're not going to get... At least I'm having a little bit of your, something is getting garbled. One possibility might be to write an email to us and then I'll make sure everyone gets it, but you can try again, at least I'm having trouble. And so the recording won't capture what you're saying either. No, sorry. It's, there's something like, it's like you're underwater. It's the best way I can describe it. It's just, the words are distorted. One more attempt, it's a little better. That's a little better, yes. Just a minute, sorry about this. Is that any better? A little? No, that's better. A little? A little. I mean, say a few words, what you're trying to say and I'll tell you whether we can, you know. Let's go with some more, four or five or something on this. Is that okay? No, it's not working. I will try again some other time. I'll send you an email. Yeah, just send me, I assure you, I will share it with everyone, including the design team. Thank you. Sorry, it didn't work. Maria. Hi there. Are we good? Yes. Okay. So first I would like to say a lot of thank yous and Tim and the Dinesco team. I mean, it is looking beautiful. Thank you for all your work on that. Sean, thank you for pointing out, for talking about and having, making sure the committee considers getting more PV, canopies in the Northern part of the sites and for thinking about other town uses. And don't forget we will hopefully have field lighting and a comfort station in that Northern part. So hopefully if PV can power that, that would be great. Thank you to Tim for making all the efforts in preserving as much athletic field as you can up there in that Northern part. And while you do your stormwater runoff capture, not letting that impact it, thank you. Jonathan, thank you for making sure about, we think about the EV charging and to maximize that great call there. Kathy, thank you for making sure that we get the cost estimates specifically about meeting the stretch codes. That's important not only for this project but for other projects. So that's super important. Big thank you to Angelica. I'm not gonna repeat everything you said but for continuing to advocate for CPAC and for all of those issues. Thank you for doing that and please continue. I had a quick question and I don't know if this is feasible or not but there's that south facing wall, the exterior wall of the gym. And I'm wondering if it's hard to get a sense of size and appropriateness but a lot of different sports need to like bounce things off of walls. Like I've seen like the lacrosse people do that. I do worry a little bit because there's glass nearby but I'm just wondering if you could, if the designers could weigh in about is that a possible future thing for off school hours? Cause obviously you wouldn't want to do that with the buses there and so on but if you could take a peek at that. Thank you to Rudy for continuing to advocate for making sure that we are net zero and everything that you said. I do want to ask a follow up question. Donna talked about the engineered wood fiber not being fully accessible. That is not my understanding from all the reading and stuff that I've done it is certainly not consistent with what's on the Turi site, the Toxic Use Reduction Institute. Could you please provide the evidence and sources for what you said today about engineered wood fiber? I would still like to see the port in place gone in favor of engineered wood fiber. And one other question there. I talked about that circle that includes the two half quarts and whether that the diameter of that circle could be made smaller and forgive me if I missed that in the presentation. I don't think it was mentioned but I think that could happen and still preserve everything you need to do with it certainly with the other spaces that we have for outdoor play. So if we could minimize that circle with the two half quarts that would be great. Again, thank you very much. It is definitely looking very beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Maria. Bruce. Bruce, I think you're better left. I'm good. Echo, Maria's and others, Rudy's and Chris's comments about how successfully I think this project is continuing to evolve. And it's always just wonderful. I enjoyed these meetings for that reason mostly I think. Rudy and I are always talking about this net zero bylaw and so forth and I support all his comments and so forth but I want to remind him as I have before and all of you all that there's a limit to what design professionals can do when it comes to a testing to the performance of something because there are insurance limitations, liability insurance limitations and design professions. We're all we're insured and so forth but the validity of that insurance depends on us behaving appropriately and guaranteeing things is not something that design professionals can do. So Rudy's aspiration that a peer reviewer can make perhaps the level of guarantees that he's suggesting is circumscribed by the what the prescriptions of liability, professional liability insurance covers. So just bear that in mind when you might receive something that appears to be a little less than completely anything like a guarantee because that is not possible to be delivered. And I think I got the impression that this project will go to the planning board sometime in late October or early November which pleases me because I'm a member of the planning board these days and I certainly would like to be able to be a part of the conversation there but I'm gonna be in Europe until late October and I'm not sure whether I can match Kathy's performance when it comes to participating in town committee Zoom meetings from the other side of the Atlantic. So to the extent that that happens, that the planning board is scheduled in later October or beyond that will make it a lot easier for me to support my colleagues in understanding this process because of course I've been to practically every one of these meetings for the last three years and I wanna make sure that the board and the public audience for the board gets a full appreciation for what you all done and if I'm here in town for that, it's gonna happen more effectively than if I'm not. Thank you. Thank you, Bruce. And I wanna say just before we adjourn, I do wanna give a huge thank you to the design team and Tim and your whole group, if you can make sure, I know you always send this post meeting, I'm gonna see whether I can't do an update at a council meeting if we ever have five minutes or something with the pictures. Just the town was so strongly behind this building was because of what you've designed and because it's net zero and the excitement for our kids. So just keeping it up to date and it just looks better and better. So I just wanna thank you all because I didn't know what design detail was but I'm getting a better sense of the next steps on it. So we are, I think unless I see another hand up, we are adjourned and the recording for this, we've been, the town staff has been great on putting these Zoom videos up pretty soon after we meet on Fridays, so they usually post them. So if the one member who wanted to be here, Alicia Walker, she just couldn't do it with the change in the meeting time. She's on a different coast but I think wanna thank everyone for being flexible. So until we meet again, I wanna wish you a good end of summer and send any questions or comments to me including any other thoughts that you want the design team to be taking up. I get thoughts after the meeting and I just send them through and they put them on their general or specific list. So we are adjourned at 11.39 by my wristwatch. Thank you all, have a good weekend. Have a great weekend, thank you.