 People who are trying to kind of probably at the beginning of their career or maybe you aspiring to be at the beginning of their career and So this is not a this is not a I gave a talk two days ago about creating apprenticeship programs So this is that'd be a talk at people who have that kind of authority and power to be able to create apprenticeship programs There's a hiring mechanism or an onboarding mechanism. This is this is basically career guidance for new programmers. So It doesn't mean it's only like if you're not a beginner like you should leave I'm just but this, you know, obviously just kind of repurpose this for your own like mentoring or coaching that you do or a team leading or whatever it is with with developers So yeah, let me get into it and just talk a little bit about a little bit about my background with this My apprenticeship story, so I was like like like a lot of people in software development kind of late to the game in my mid-20s is when I switched into Technology and learned HTML slowly or slowly switched into technology learned HTML in 1999 and joined a little education startup near Chicago in 2000 and and as a content contributor and HTML editor and all that good stuff and then in order to keep my job as the dot-com bubble burst I Needed to learn pearl And that was like a one of my big first opportunities to become a programmer Started apprenticing quote-unquote into a really good book called software craftsmanship