 Okay, there's not much of the agenda. I think we're going to have a quick meeting. And so the third item on the agenda is comments from the chair. There's a few things I wanted to invite Kim to talk about and something he forwarded that downsizing group. But first I just want to acknowledge that our planning department has been operating without a zoning administrator and implementing new zoning. So we're going to have a pretty thin meeting tonight. And as when you get the new zoning administrator in and we're fully staffed, we'll move up and get things going. So we just have to be a little bit patient right now. Or we have to do the work ourselves. Those are our options. We'll be patient. Just to acknowledge that some people are working a lot right now. And then are you at Liberty to announce that he is on the industry? Yep. It is Meredith Strobridge Crandall. So she grew up in the area. So some people might know her and she's a VLS grad from her JD. But she lives in Worcester and doing this. Is she still 8-tenths then? She's still 8.8. Yep. That's fantastic. So it's very good. We have an excellent candidate. I think she'll be good. In addition to everything else, with the vacancy, we have been renovating the office downstairs. Yeah, nice code. So we switched offices. So I'm now, if you come in, I'm on the right. I'm where Sarah used to be. And Meredith is in. For all this. A major site plan. A building permit for your colors. From the downsizing. Oh, I just thought it would be of interest as to what the building is going on in town. What's happening. Those projects. And some of them are out of town. You mentioned the Main Street project. The French Bob? No. The last time you see people pick up trucks. And they're hobbling around on the notebooks. You know you're in trouble. So we had some of those guys around. It's been a long time. I couldn't believe it. They were working last year on it. And they put in some. They put in sketch plan. They did. For a QD. But they never submitted a final. So they'll be on the news. I would think so. I don't know what's going on. Okay. I didn't see it in there. One iteration was to do business with this. Not many people asked me about it. So I couldn't see. You all know. I'm not accused of any. Discussions. If there's any action to be taken. On 250 million. At least that allows you to speak. What's that? You can speak at development review. At other meetings. Because you're a buddy. I just sent out the links. To several different links. And I'm not convinced the orca one works. So I sent out the one. Through METZero Vermont. Which is much easier to navigate. Thank you for doing that. Thank you. It came in this afternoon. I know it was not early. It's okay. We fell asleep since we didn't have a meeting two weeks ago. I know. It was with the Lucera leaving. Made sense. I had to miss the meeting too. So it seemed to. We'll just skip that meeting. I could give just a brief report. On my visit to the historic preservation. Sure. It would be great. There were two meetings. One was public meeting. And it was pretty testified. Several others. I was going to either see. Either see that. Or no one was speaking. The usual way of thinking. It was a real bust. They told the committee that. I think it did. It did cultivate some. People that are interested in this. Something to be testified. And it was a good start. For the next meeting. We'll see what. Design review ordinances from. Five different cities. Passing them around the table. Against. This is your guy's job. If you're going to get an idea. Through your expert. One of the things that was presented. That meeting was. Essay by. Was essential. Is. Historic preservation. Is. Historic. But I think the idea was. You can imagine. Everybody looks at. The. That was going to go to the expert. I think I figured out why it was. All during this whole. I was. Historic. To tell me why it was. Historic history. And. I. Wanted to know that. Before I throw some. Why it's. Nobody. Historical. Buildings. Whatever. Said this should be. That's where the city began. Probably. Stay. Everybody. Up hill. It's really. To me. It's important. Because. It is so visible. It really is. Yeah. It really is. Very. Collection. Some extraordinary. Things. Really. Design. This is. He says. I don't care. Materials. These. If you. If you want to. Window frames. Things like that. These. Details. Diminish. The. History. So I'm hoping some. Seem to me. Criteria. Not necessarily. Historical. Things. We talked about preservation. Buildings that are uniquely built. Interesting. Twisting. I think. Giving a little thought. Design. Look beyond just individual. Buildings because that's a neighborhood that acts together. It's not one particular. Building is unique up there. So. They expand this. Criteria. I think that would. Useful. I mean it's like the meadow. You know the meadow. I think there's some creativity that might even. Satisfy. People. Part. I'm hoping. Historical. People. Just. There's. A much more creative way. But then after. He mentioned. Using. Design review as a kind of a service. Which is something that I could be. Approaching. Some of it's just changing people's. Perception. Making sure that the rules aren't so coming in. That it does feel more like a service. Where people are going to go. They go and they get these ideas and suggestions. For more knowledgeable people. And. Design review if we can. If we can get to a point where design reviews like that. I think that would be a success. And. And all the while. Thinking about those social issues. It's not used as a barrier. I think that's what I'm going to be thinking about. How do you see it necessarily as a barrier? I'm trying to get. An understanding of what you're saying. Where it's. Where people feel like they can't afford to live somewhere. Because. In an existing house. That's already. We can't use material that's not affordable. Potentially. Potentially they could use this. But if there's. But if design review can be set up. To tell people. That's cheaper way to do the project. That's the kind of service that could be great. A similar concern. And working in affordable housing. I have a lot of. Feelings about historic preservation. Because it just. You know also thinking about energy efficiency. Oftentimes like. The historic. The state historic preservation almost made. The French. Which would be. Very. Not good for energy efficiency. So. Yeah I think that. The sort of rigid application. Of the. Department standards are sort of. They're definitely a problem. And technically design review. Is an advisory committee. Now so. It seems that it would just be a matter of. Making there an informal. Approach first. Before they actually came to design review. I think there's a lot of room. And we can get creative about. About building up how it is a service. And potentially not change a whole lot. Yeah. That's for the public. Yeah and it's even possible too. That maybe that service could expand somewhat. To. Allow for some of the larger homes. That the owners would like to subdivide. You know as basically as we're. Allowing them on the zoning. That in a respectful way. To their historic. Which is certainly. Very easy to do. Generally. It's just a matter of looking at something. One way as opposed to. Another way. And it. I actually. Hope that maybe one of the things. That would come out. With their. Worth book. Not. Of course you don't want to have any examples. You have to find them somewhere else. But you know just to because I think people. If people could visualize what the problems are. It's much much easier to see. Oh yeah. That would be a better way to do it. I could use what they're instead. Certainly has some good examples. The ones that we saw. Who. I like. Shelter. What's it. I think that's really good. They tell you why. It's. Look. I read the thing. Project. Well thank you for attending this meeting. And bar. Developing. They seem very willing for us to continue to. Participate with them. That's good as they're going through this. Maybe Kim and I can trade off. Yeah. Yeah. Well I think we'll come up on an expert. What are you talking about? You're very creative. But Kim was really good. I want to start a presentation with you. And do I want to say counselors. If we were going to be. There on Wednesday. We're not afraid. Not this Wednesday. No. We did talk. So. We'll talk about this. The last meeting. I got an email. Inviting me to come. Just introduce myself to the city council. And say what we're up to. On May 9th. And anyone else who wants to attend. Is welcome to come. And represent. I look forward to hearing what it is we are up to. So it wasn't specifically to get. Directions from them. Regarding. My understanding was it was. Just so that the new city councilors. Can. Can get a sense of what are all the committees. That are happening. And where. What they're working on. And who the chairs are. Yeah. Is that accurate? Yeah, there's going to be that. There's I mean the planning commission is going to be presenting. What we're up to and kind of making some recommendations. And so. One of which would be. What do you want the plan commission and staff to be working on. My recommendation is that we should. We're recommended working on the city plan. And we're going to kick off and do it this way. And we're just kind of. We're already starting it. And we're just waiting for them to give us a. Yeah. Thumbs up that says that's a great idea. Work on that. It's always better if you could say here's our proposal. For what to do. We're. You won't be. Planning commission because planning also represents housing. So the housing. Task force is also going to be. And there may be some other groups that may. Show up you. You might be going for this week. Yes, we are. Yeah, definitely. The energy committee is. Is this week. This Wednesday. Right. They'll be some other groups that maybe. As well with. The housing. Get mentioned and also to the. Conservation commission. Community services. The message we're trying to do is to get people to come out. Because the council is going to have to make priorities. They've got meetings coming up in a couple of weeks. And they have to. Start to come up with recommended priorities. What they would like to have. The city manager working on. Which then filters down to. What I would be working on. So. When it comes down to they have 10 goals and. Enough staff to do four things. What ends up being the priorities of. Pitching everybody to say well. This would be a good time. If you want to be one of those priorities to make sure that. Increase yourself. Let's see. Just filters through you guys. Some of the more. You know, like path people. Trails or parks or. Terrors trying to say go. Or just waiting for a shovel or something. Yeah, I mean, yeah, most of the. Most of the big projects are. Queuing up to go. For this year. So that's mostly working through public works. And less through. Planning department at this point. All we're doing is kind of some grant. Assistance and grant management. Looks like. Tiff ideas. It's. It's multiple pieces. That'll be start this week. And finish up on the night. With the announcement. But it's a multiple. It's it has multiple. So Tiff. Is used tax increment financing. You. Collect up the money from the private development. And if we fix these needs. Then we can allow. So. The proposal is to work on a number of things. One of which is the parking garage. Another of which is to do transportation. And utility improvements. The utility improvements are mostly on. Barry street. The transportation improvements are mostly on main street. So we've got. In order to fix. The Barry and main intersection. If we do a roundabout. Then we have to have. More roundabouts. If we do lights, we have to time all the lights. So it becomes. And we can't. Develop. More housing on Barry street. Especially the large project on Barry street. So let's say savings faster. And a couple of other projects came in for Barry street. They'll never. If they get intact. So. We can use Tiff to go and take some tax money. From those properties. To come down and fix this intersection. So. That's just one example. Does that come. You approve the district first. And it did. None of this will come through the planning commission. But you approve the district first. Through the city council. That doesn't approve any projects that just. Approves. The concept of what you're trying to do. And lays out. Some likely projects. And some likely public investments. That are going to help. Public and private. And then you go to the Pepsi board and you get approved. But you're not. That doesn't approve you to build the parking garage. For example. You would then have to come back to the voters. With a. Bond vote that would say. We would like to spend. City council. So. It starts and ends there. Starts and ends at the city council. And. On Wednesday they're going to approve the. They're. Not going to approve it this Wednesday. They're presenting it this Wednesday. And they're going to approve it. On the night. At least that's the schedule. So. Taking this opportunity. I mean here's what I. I understand our goals to be right now. What we want to focus on. In order of priority. One city plan. With. The plan. The proposal for that is to have the kickoff meeting. We'll get into that more. On item five. To the official map. And three zoning amendments as needed. So as we. Receive application as the planning department. Receive application for our. Various projects and realizes there's quirks. And the zoning. To be resolved. We'll take those up as those come. And as they as they make sense. Based on input. We received from. Mike. Are there any other. Design reviews. Right. I see us as more of. Playing a. I guess with the official map and design review. We're more of a liaison there. Than we are in the lead. So who's. Doing the official map. If we're. Working on it with. I'm working on it with. Conservation. The conservation commission. The parts commission. I mean I think ultimately. They'll provide something that we could weigh in on. But. I don't think it has to go through us. In order to go to city council. Now the official map would go. Through you guys. So. And then design review would also go through us. I don't know if they'll be proposing anything for adoption. This year. Historic preservation. Okay so. My guess so. I think those three are probably the three top. Priorities. So the design review. Language for the zoning. By us. So the. Priorities for 2018 would be city plan. Official map and zoning amendments is needed. Potentially for. Potentially for 2019. City plan. Design review language. Zoning amendments is needed. I'm hoping we can get the official map done. Yes. We also talked about doing that in conjunction. With the city plan. So I think we'll have a better idea. About when it makes sense to propose that. As we get further down the road. City plan. Yeah. So let's move on. What was item three. Item four. General business. Comments from the public about something not on the agenda. There's no members of the public present. So we'll move forward to item five. Which is the city plan update. Discussion. There was a variety of things that we kind of thought about. Doing I don't know. I might keep this on the agenda. So we've had something specific in mind. I have some other things to think about too. One of you. I have on that. Even though I didn't meet with. You guys. Two weeks ago. I did a couple of meetings. One was to the housing task force. And one was to the conservation commission. And then he had a couple of members. Of the parks commission were there. So. Starting with that meeting the conservation commission meeting. I presented. Some of the official maps that. I had collected up from around other towns. And it was kind of. Timely because over the past month or two. There has been a lot of discussion. On the list serves. That I'm on about official maps. Some other communities. Have been considering it. And wondering how it has been for. So. We had a good conversation. What they wanted on their. On the map itself. What do the colors mean. We had that green print map. And I was like, you know, you're talking about this. So let's put some words down. Of what does this corridor mean. This corridor is an area where. We don't need the entire 100 foot corridor. We want a path. Somewhere in this 100 foot corridor. So we just need a 20 foot. He's met. Or in fee. You know what are you looking for. So if we give they could. And this is what's on the parks. And conservation commission. To do this. Is that they're going to put that together. This. Block here. Is showing where we would want to park. This is 300 acres in size. But we really only need 50 acres. But as we need 50 acres that's somewhat usable. Somewhere in this block. And that gives us the opportunity. Not to necessarily specifically say. This is exactly where we're going to have a part. But we want to park somewhere in here. And then it. Where there's a development in that area. The city would have the right of first refusal. And could decide whether this is the area. But they're supposed to kind of go through. And refine the map. And work on it a little bit to kind of identify. What it is they're asking for. Do they want it in fee. Do they want a third color. Because they have one that was trails. Which we assume is going to probably be easements. That they're looking for. A second color that was on that map. Was for park land. They probably want to own in fee. So that would be a different one. And then there was a discussion of. Whether they wanted to also identify other. Environmental. So. These preservation pieces. If we had a wetland. Would we want to buy that. It's not really a park land. From the standpoint that we wanted. Visiting it. But it also really isn't. Developable. So they're supposed to look and see. Whether they wanted a third. That was a brutal. Idea. Yeah. So they're going to look at some ideas. And come up with an identification. So that way we can start to work on. I can start to work on crafting that next piece. Which is okay. Now that I understand what this map means. We would adopt it as an official map. But what surprised me was that. When I did the homework. On other official maps. Most other. For every other community. None of them have any ordinance that is. That goes along with the official map. They just adopt the map. And they follow state law. Enforcement. So. We felt. That's probably not. A prudent way to kind of manage this. Especially if we have some of these that are. Really should have a process where somebody comes in. And it's going to have this. Who do we send it to? The first zoning application comes in. Do we send it to the conservation commission for comment? Or do we not? Do we send it to the park commission for comment? It's probably going to help with the adoption process. Of the event. So. So. So. So. So. So. I hope with the adoption process of the official map. Because I can imagine that if I see. That there's a park right on my property. I might not know what that means. And. Start to worry. So having something. Written. Of what that process would be. And when it would get triggered. I think that's key to. It's going to be really helpful. I like that idea. So my job while they're working on that. To. To kind of create this. Ordinance that would kind of go along. With a process. And certainly, you know, if anyone who actually has an ordinance. Official map. Ordinance that kind of a process that kind of goes along with it. But. Certainly not south Burlington. Heinsberg. I haven't read this. That must have some pretty good guidance. It's much more of a. Of a process. But it doesn't go through and say. For example, somebody comes in. In the zoning permit. Somebody comes in and decides to build a house. We've identified a park on the top of savings pasture. Somebody comes in and puts in a permit. I want to build a house on the top of savings pasture. The official map has been triggered. There's a process. You know, relatively short. That's in. Statute. That you would follow. But. I don't want to go through and say, okay, well, what do. What does the zoning administrator. Do when that application comes in. Do we forward it to. The parks commission. For their, for their input. Do we. What does and in a lot of cases. A lot of the other ordinances were much more. The official maps are much more specific. Because the official maps are supposed to be about. The utilities and sewer and water. And if you build a house where we want to build a road. Then we're going to take it. And we know. Exactly where that road is going to go. In this case, they're kind of laying out. This is where we would like to trail. And it's 100 foot wide corridor. And it might be over here. It might be over here. We only want a 20 foot easement somewhere in this 100 feet. And. So when it kind of comes into that. It kind of ends up with a slightly different. I don't know. I think you need to have a process. And maybe we work with. Our attorney and our attorney feels. It's. We're better off not. Constraining ourselves with that process. But. It just seems like it seems to me I would. I would want to as a zoning administrator. Not be going back to statute. Just going saying I guess I just pump this up. The city council. The whole point of the official map. Is to take the place of the necessity. In a condomation. 100 foot. It's one thing. To say. 20 feet snake wonders down here. And that's it. But once you. Once you. Open it up to. Deciding what pieces of this. Then you have a committee. Making a decision. That is. Just. Isn't the structure you're talking about. The committee saying anywhere within this band. We would want it. And you as a property owner can decide. It would be more of a. They would want to be able to try to negotiate. How that would rather than saying this is specifically. Because I think. They're trying to avoid some of the upfront. Time and expense. It would cost to. Very specifically map. Every single. The location of every single trail. And every single 20 foot wide. Path and sometimes they can be pushed left or right. So. Get into what you're saying. It sounds like. Only actions that would make say the trail impossible. To go through that area would really trigger. As long as you could still do the trail. Then. Activity in the area shouldn't necessarily trigger. Because it's not it wouldn't. Still possible. Is that kind of what you're getting at. No I think my problem is. In fact the official map is. First step in combination. It says. We as a city. Declare we need this for the public. But so that. So I was getting out that need wouldn't be there. Unless something we're going was going to happen. That like. Cut the trail off basically. And that would trigger a need. To do something like that. If you're going to have a trail. It's going to have a big. Private property. I foresee difficulties. In a. Committee. To massage what we're actually doing. That's it. You don't have to go to the city council. And say we agree with you. Or we disagree with you. Like I said my push so. The question that will come up for them. Is to come up with their first map. That will have to come through this committee. When we get it. Together in ordinance that will help to at least lay out the process. So. They're going to work on their piece to kind of make sure. They can clearly identify. This is what we want. On this. Parks this is what we want on this. This is. One request that maybe I should make to city council. I don't know. Whether I should do it at the main meeting or. Another time but. I think it would help us in our discussion. Of the official map. Once it comes to us. We also had the legal. At the same time. So that we can. Have actual. Advice as we're. Waiting through these challenges. I don't think I'm going to be able to develop. The ordinance part without. The legal. So it should be happening. Yeah that will happen. And then I think. We may what we didn't do too much with the zoning. But we may do for the other one is just to bring in. Sit down with us. And go over it at least in one meeting. The range of options that we have. There's certain things we have to do. But then there's certain flexibility. I think. I think it's it's. There aren't a lot of official maps out there. So. They don't get tested very often. A number of people. Yeah I think heinsberg has said they've liked it. Alex likes it a lot. They put it out there. For their parks and their roads. And. The developers basically do exactly what. You would hope they would do. The developer looks at the map and says oh okay. I have to build a road. So I'm going to build the road where the city has identified it on the official map. The official map. You know. Oh I've got. Some recreation land that's identified as a part of mine. Well I will use that as my open space. And the city will buy my. Open space. And add it to the park. And he's hasn't had to implement it. From his position. Because it's always kind of the developers have looked at the official map. And followed it. Other places have. Voted you know. Somebody I guess in South Burlington had proposed to put a house where there was supposed to be a park. And it went up the city council. The city council was like we're okay. We'll find another park somewhere else. And not follow through on the official map. And that's allowed as well. So it's. You know. It has different things. And so we're hoping I think with the parks commission. You know sometimes you just put something on the. On the ground. And you hope that. This will help developers who. Want to maybe do the right. These wishes. Make some things happen. We really needed. The. Policy. Yeah I mean I'll look at. To see if that's what it needs to be an ordinance. As a part of it or. Policy or something. Something less than. The ordinance part. Imagine this will take 30. 50 years. Managing another ordinance. About this problem. Condemnation. As we know it is always a. Negotiation. Coming straight. When we're going to do. Combination. Triggers. Place the city council. Sometimes like. But. Say I think what we've seen in a lot of these other. Places is. Basically you're signaling like here's the path of least resistance. And it happens when development happens. It's really not. A big. City council. You know probably. On their agenda where they. Accept something. Subdivision. Final conditions of. Subdivision are you know. Sign this. Subdivision. It's not always like that. It's a hard time figuring out where that trail is going to go. Yeah. Legal issues about it. Well it seems like there's still some work to be done. To be done. So you mentioned you also met with a housing task force. Yes. So. Housing task force I met with last week. So they. I gave them. I was actually meeting with them intentionally about. Our. City plan update. Because initially we were going to start off with. Just doing the housing plan first. And were they interested in coming in. Planning commission to have a joint meeting. And so that was. The agenda. And so in between. We all met and decided we were going to have this all. Committees meeting. And they really like that. They think that's a great idea because. They think it's going to be really effective to. Sit down. Because this plan has so many places where there's overlap. You know. Is energy or transportation or. Community services responsible for public transportation. Economic development. And natural resources. There's going to be some more conflicting areas. And there's different ones that. There's potential places where one's goals may not. Line up perfectly with. Planning commission. You guys are going to have to. Play referee and make a decision of what. You know. Or where are we going to put something. Where do we put. Weatherizing houses. Is that a housing issue. Or is that a. Energy issue. Some of them are going to be obvious. Housing task force. Housing task force is. They're a quasi committee. They are a committee but they're actually. More of an ad hoc group. Nobody's actually appointed to. But they are members of. Montpelier housing authority. Down street. PCIO was. Legal aid. So he's trying to represent some of the issues. And concerns of tenants. Is he still serving on the task force. He is. He was the chair. He stepped down from being chair. Because he's now a counselor. And so Jack is still on the committee. Mary Hopers on the committee. So there's just a number of people. Who have always had. A deep interest in. In housing. And affordable housing. They work a lot with. Trust fund. And kind of how to advance. That difference. They're they're really a really good group. I think like any of the committees that we have there. Just some folks from the state. Housing. The city allocate. A housing fund. As part of the budget. Yes. There is a housing. There is a housing trust fund. And there is a separate housing trust fund committee. Only meets about once a year. To review housing trust fund applications. And I think. Comments that. Is coming out there. We're thinking. We're appointing a few members. Who would be. The voting numbers. So we've got a couple of. We've got some recommendations on that committee. But the initial one was. You know, we want them. Because they were the most. They were the farthest along in their chapter. And your element. Is. Well, you guys get whoever it is. Compat themselves on the back. Because the housing committee really liked that idea. So. So that was. They're looking forward to hearing when. That comes out. Probably. We're looking at. So. The only pieces do we need to meet with the. Specialist. Before we. With the. I mean, that's the only. I mean, other than the whole. Scheduling. I don't think we need. It necessarily for the. Need. To start. It'd be good to have him. Have that. Set up to start going forward. I guess it depends. We just have to start laying out what we want to present. What we want to get back. I think we just need to start having some. Big picture. Discussions of what we want to. What are the outcomes that we want to get. Out of this initial kickoff. Me. Because I think we can certainly go through and lay out a bunch of pieces. But. Do we want. Pieces set up ready to go. At that meeting start using them at that time. Or. Sending out a letter to all of the committee. It would be a great opportunity to explain. How that could work. But we could send a follow up letter if we needed to. I'm just saying. Put it in a one letter. That would be ideal. I don't want to hold up the meeting. Just. That. She's interested in meeting set this interest in meeting. Yeah. So maybe. You can see if stuff could come to our next meeting. And in the meantime, I could put together. A letter. That everybody could take a look at. And comment on at that meeting. At our next meeting. And then we would plug in whatever the. Is that we. Decide. On topic. The other question I have is. I don't. I've been thinking about what kind of venue. We would want to. We would want to hold this. I. Have any budget for renting. Space. I assume we don't. Is that a good assumption. Probably. It's probably a good assumption. But it also I think would depend on. What. Costs. Really. We're thinking. That's all kind of. Right. I'm sort of thinking of a more like a. Or. Or something kind of downtown where it's. Not the city hall but. Something where. If folks wanted to. Stay and socialize. After the presentation. Organic. How big a group are we talking about something. You know like the Capitol Plaza. Conference room. That would be much more expensive. That's where the price comes in. As we started getting into those. Those spaces. I think. Upstairs. I think. Downstairs. Cost. I. Have enough people. To make it worth a while. We have. How many. How many. There are almost. 20 committees. If you get down to. We wouldn't need input from all of them. I think we would need to do 12 different sections right. And as we. Mention there's a lot of people who. Set on multiple. Where I can get everybody. I like this idea of the downstairs. The only problem is we wouldn't have a visual. Eight. Aspect to it but. Maybe that would help. Maybe that's fine. What do you suggest to the power. Power five minute. About the. There's the. That's a. I'll find out. We want something that's like a conference room where we're facing. Each other right. To be kind of bringing this up. Rather that's where I was sort of if you sit downstairs. At NACC I'm kind of imagining everybody around the room. Okay. I was in place for the. It. Yeah, it was the, it was the auditorium, so I was thinking, you know, maybe not something that was strictly a presentation. Oh, that's true. My only concern there is that it wouldn't foster communication the same way that a smaller room would. Right. And we may, if we, if we're looking at it, we may go and ask somebody to send one or two people, rather than inviting an entire committee. So if we had ten committee chairs that we invited, we invited them with. Yeah. But we're not inviting all 14 members of the energy committee in. Well, although they're well, I want everyone to be welcome because it is an opportunity. It just defines the space. If we're going to invite everybody, then we have to have a space to accommodate. Well, maybe we should have it here. We could have it, we could have it at the Lost Nation lobby area. I mean, that's a fairly large area when you set it up, not theater style. It didn't event, it didn't event there. But you have to be wary of their rehearsal schedule. Like, sometimes stuff can be just set up so that it's a challenge. Well, let's see if they've got it down. They've got a schedule, a down schedule that comes up. Well, I know there's, there were sometimes when I was in Perry that the Opera House just had this, like between this month and this month, they were really busy and had a lot going on. But then there was section to time where. All right. Well, I'll reach out to Lost Nation about that. And then that sounds like the best option we have. And then we could also reserve, maybe reserve the neck and gown stairs for anyone who wanted to lose the over-active. If we could do that, that'd be better. Because that's what, I mean, the Lost Nation does it for their admissions. The Lost Nation charges? No, they can't charge the city. We are a city, so they can't charge us. It's just scheduling that becomes the issue. So, yeah, you want to drop to camp. It's a place where we can sneak in. I'd hate to have the big, huge block of rehearsals and performance off, because that would be most of June. Well, they have nights that they're not supposed to see. Okay, so they can go and say, oh, go for the fifth week of June because they don't have anything. Well, my job for the next meeting will be to have some dates. And I'll try to have Seth come in, and I'll get him on the agenda to come in and chat with you about what you want. So think about what you want Seth to try to help set up, because he's the IT guy. So that means John, you think about it. Well, yeah, there's also just the general thing of take this type of... Yeah. Try to swing by and make the most of its time here. Seth, were you going to start drafting the letter to the committees? I'm sorry, did you say that? Yeah, I was thinking. I mean, I'll try to have some dates for the venue at the next meeting and a draft of the letter announcing the meeting. Yeah, and then I'll send that around for comments. We can discuss it at the next meeting. Maybe curving the meeting a year and put on it before I share with you guys the group. It's a nice, different deprivation, I think. You think about it as a differential? Yes. Yes. You're a sleep deprived too, I forget. Because I'm so... Mostly it's self-employed. It's not. Yeah, maybe you've looked at it. Yeah. Okay. Anything else on the city plan? No. Okay. Okay, so item six, consider meeting minutes from March 26. And then they'll approve it. Second. Any discussion? Okay, all those in favor of approving the minutes? AI. Last item on the agenda is adjournment of a motion. I'll move that. Second? Okay, it's non-devatable motion. Okay, all those move to or accept the motion for adjournment. AI. Okay.