 We're gonna go ahead and get started and I'm not gonna talk for very long because there are some really talented people up here that are gonna kind of introduce what we're doing. But before that, I just wanted to say welcome back to the end of the conference. We've been talking for a while about this documentary, which is kind of in some ways our final keynote and it's you all, it's your voice. So we hope that you've had a great couple of days with us. I definitely have. Thank you first and foremost to UMW for letting us use this space. It's been fantastic and it's just been so fun to catch up with you all. So we're gonna kick it off with this final, I guess, session of the conference and then afterwards there will be some time for some more Q and A and just discussion around what we're gonna watch. So Taylor? Yeah, I'm really excited to kind of show what we've all been working on here and everyone who participated in the interviews. I kind of think of like it's the time's person of the year is everyone in this keynote, I think. But yeah, I'm excited and I wanted to thank both Meredith and Pilot and also specifically Noah and Amanda on the Reclaim team who also helped with some of the clipping up of stuff and then I had to throw it in the final timeline. So I also wanna give a warning that there probably are mistakes in here. That's just. And just major shout out to Amanda who is not with us. She's in New York right now and she was editing from far away, virtually. So major shout out to Amanda there. So, but just really excited for this and we can get started or do we wanna keep talking? Does not matter, let's do it. I think we can get started. Om nom nom. So you're trying to make a documentary during an event and then publish, produce it, release it at the end of the event. It is a brilliant example of constraint-based design. So Antonio, welcome. Thank you. How did you get into the open web? I don't actually remember, but you may be well the cause of it. So yes, you guys from the DTLT and all that movement that sprang were very influential on my own thinking and I have to admit that I copied, I mean ruthlessly from you guys and other people too. The MOOC from Siemens and Downs, I registered for that and that was also another mind-blowing experience for me. I love that. I love the way the class was, the course was being organized. I love the websites that were done to center the course around and then that also meant and had sense only on an open web. So I was taught how to hand code HTML in 1995 or 96. My undergraduate program was one that was called professional writing. So this was again in the mid-90s, tech boom in Montreal. And so we were being trained for technical writing, copy editing, translation, all of the kind of very practical writing things. So it was like the, I could do an English degree but also make my mom really happy. I was doing something practical and we had a course that we had to take at the time called desktop publishing because this was when desktop publishing like frame maker and page maker were actually really complex. It was, we were in the transition to what you see is what you get. And so the instructor was an adjunct professor who worked as a professional in the field, came in on the first day of class and say, these softwares are getting easier and easier the further along they go. And so we don't need 15 weeks on frame maker. It's like it's a waste of time. He's like, so I'll teach you the basics. I'll get you where you need to be. But if you really want to differentiate yourself out there as a freelancer or anything like that, you need to know how to code in HTML. And so he's like, we'll spend the first part of the course on frame maker and the second part of the course, I'm going to teach you how to code in HTML. Okay, right? Just bun out of the grads. We don't know, like, all right, sure, HTML. And so we did, we learned how to hand code in HTML. We found the little one by one GIF because this was like not even CSS. So if you wanted to space things out, there's a one by one GIF, clear GIF that was available that everyone used, right? Yeah, yeah. So that that's how you did spacing. And so I ended up putting our student newspaper online. We got Tildy Spaces. We were thinking back to Martha talking about that in Oklahoma. And yeah, and just ended up really getting in. Our university also was big, known really well for engineering. And so the year that I got there, they had just put in what was then considered high speed internet all throughout residence, the residence halls. And so we were connected to the web, right? At high speeds, there was no, this was, you know, it was, it was mind blowing, right? Cause you could be on the web, you didn't have to wait for dial up. And so just really started getting involved. I, you know, moved away from home, moved away from all of my friends. Another friend of mine started a, what started as a Yahoo news group and a newsletter, eventually he turned it into a website. And so I like to say I was blogging before, before blogging was a thing I wrote for like his online zine that you can find in the internet archives. It's very embarrassing. How I started my career as, you know, instructional designer, instructional technologist, I used to be a high school teacher. And when I started my career in the nineties in the Canadian Arctic, right up on the, on the Arctic coast. And it was at a time when the internet was just coming to the Canadian Arctic. And I was teaching high school there and a small community school, but I was also the vice principal of the school. So I was two roles going on. And when the internet first came in through satellite relay, people was like, wow, we have this new resource. What, how are we going to use it? Are we going to use it? And so the natural place for the community was the school. So I started working with technology at that time and became basically the resource person for the district for that. And I started getting more and more involved, less involved in some of the administration stuff in the school and more involved in some, how this internet was going to impact schooling and over to over years and times I'd moved around. I lived overseas in China. I did the same kind of thing in China at a school system there, taught some media based courses, but also brought in a portfolio system and to a school system there. And when I moved back to Canada, I thought, okay, now I'm going to formalize. I don't know what that rule is, but I'm going to formalize my career as an educator around the use of technology and in teaching and learning spaces. So that's how I, that's how the internet kind of pulled me out of the classroom, I guess, and into that role as a technologist and a designer. My entry point into the open web was essentially just wanting to make things for myself and not actually have to be bent, but do the bending specifically for hardware and software. So a lot of my work is a combination of both and being able to customize it specifically for a vision. I think it's important. And I think that the open web and those theologies support that. I got involved in the open web and the open movement as a student, an undergraduate student, frustrated with the high cost of textbooks and looking at the world around me and having access to an unlimited amount of information on the web instantly at no cost. And yet there was the cognitive dissonance of being charged expensive textbooks that were old, out of date, print and trying to reconcile how those two things existed in the same world. And this was the early 2000s. And since then I've worked with students across the country to advocate for more affordable textbooks for open educational resources. I now work a lot in policy, advancing open policies and funding for open educational resources on college campuses. Oh gosh, I don't even remember now. I mean, early days, 1993, 94. I was in grad school and I was freelancing, doing some QA and copy editing for Penguin Electronic working on some of their CD-ROM book editions. And my boss at the time, Julie Hansen who is now the COO of Babel, the online language learning. Anyway, she came into work one day and sort of handed me some HTML, something. I can't even remember was like a sheet of paper telling me a little bit about how HTML worked. And she said, I need you to build this a website. And I said, you need me to do what? And she said, look, here's the thing I'm gonna show you, it's really cool. And so she loaded up a webpage and she did view source. And she showed me what HTML looked like live. And she's like, this makes that and make us a website. And I did. And it was the most revelatory moment, just realizing that this web thing could actually be manipulated and controlled and I could make web pages. And it didn't take fancy equipment and it didn't take a fast connection and it just took a text editor and me poking around, finding out what I could find out about how to make these web pages. So it started then and as you heard this morning, I was an early adopter ever since, right? Picked up blogging relatively early, picked up other kinds of things and just loved that sense of being able to make something new. I first encountered the open web through two pathways. I would say the first was the CUNY Academic Commons. I had been looking to do some course blogging with my students and the comments just kind of popped up. And I was able to interact with a bunch of great people and it led to me being part of the early version of the team that worked on the comments and I did some outreach at the time. But the other one was I found DS106. And particularly I found DS106 radio first and was engaging with a lot of people via Twitter and DS106 radio. And then I think the summer of Oblivion was probably one of the funniest experiences and enjoyable experiences been interacting people and making art with them and building an online narrative, right? This story was tremendous fun. And I think, I don't remember, you know that was like probably 2012, I think, I don't know. I guess I remember vividly the first time I saw a webpage. A friend of mine who was a librarian showed me a webpage that was an X-Files fan page. So this would have been 1995 maybe. And then I started looking into it and it just grew in my head. I was like, how does this, oh, I see. And I got very excited and I'd already been teaching with technology at that point. Using technology that's on primitive now. Actually teaching one class, teaching my students UNIX file permission so they could trade files back and forth. And then I taught myself HTML and making webpages and I've just been going great guns ever since. In fact, in 1997 I landed my first faculty job in part because I had experience with the web. Even though it wasn't part of my formal job description, in part because there were just hundreds of PhDs in literature running around for any given job. But actually experience with the web was relatively small at the time. I came from a family of early adopters. My dad was very fascinated with, this is in the 80s. He was always buying the newest and best gadgets. And my older brother who's about seven years older than me, he built his own machine and he was very into coding. So it was like computers were a lot around when I was young. And then when Brian and I got married in 1993, we had a small inheritance from my grandmother. And it was enough to either buy a really good computer or a really bad car. And we chose the really good computer. And one of the things the really good computer had was a really good modem. So we were able to log into the university, bulletin board servers and that kind of thing. So there was all of the bulletin boards. And then the CompuServe, AOL, all of that started becoming a thing. So in 1995, I was pregnant with my daughter. And this is the reason I remember it, the first time I'd ever heard the phrase World Wide Web was in 1995 while I was pregnant. And we were sitting around talking about the newest coolest stuff. And so it wasn't too long later that my work started being like, well, everybody needs an email address and everybody needs this and that. And then they wanted me to do some HTML work because I was the youngest person in the office and I was the only one who had ever used email. I had to check my boss's email is basically what I had to do. And so yeah, I mean, since then, I haven't done any Christmas shopping in person since 1997 because I loathe and despise Christmas shopping and toys.com was a thing in 1997. I was a graduate student at UC Berkeley. It was my last year of graduate school. And there was a workshop on using Netscape Composer to build web pages. It was the fall of 1998. And I went to that workshop and it changed my life. I think I stayed up that whole weekend just putting my dissertation online, bibliographies, everything that I could think of to share that could be useful to someone in the world. And that's still how I see the open web. I put all my work online and the content development I do all happens through blogs and blogging. I'm still blogging. And I think I first got into the open web in the late 90s. I had just gotten a teaching job in Mexico and it was actually my first time having ready access to what was then passing for high speed internet. And I was a new teacher. I had never taught before. I was in a new country. So I quickly realized that the internet was an incredible source of lesson plans and teachers showing their experiences and their ideas in the classroom in different places. So that was an incredible resource and a lot of my students were doing websites and things like that. So I quickly learned that it was a fun assignment and I was living in a relatively isolated part of Mexico, at least other major urban centers and to my home and all these other places. But there was this beginning of this thing where you could connect your students with people around the world and set them up and it was all free and it was easy. So just the ability to get access to that information for free and to connect to things and gather them and then have my students connecting with people was something I saw really early on. Two comp-sized students that I lived with when I was in my undergraduate at university. I think we were the first year that got email and they introduced me to mudrooms and talkers and so pre, a Netscape navigator was the browser and but that was a way of connecting to people beyond my university and into a kind of other world. All like green screen text, very old school stuff. I think I went to a Knightley conference in Valparade. No, it was somewhere in Indiana this guy named Brian Alexander came out and he introduced Twitter to attend me. So Knightley was the National Institute of Technology in Mobile Education. It was kind of a spin-off to get small where arts colleges started with understanding educational technology and bringing it to teaching and learning research on campuses. So this like dude named Brian Alexander who was nobody to me at the time, just a big fucking beard is on the stage and says, hey, look at this, watch this. So I said, okay, I gotta create a Twitter account. And of course I'd already known about the internet. I was building websites for 10 years prior but I got on Twitter and then I guess just through whatever, I started seeing these tweets by the people who eventually that I came to know like Alan Levine and Jimmy Rume, Alacouros, who else was on there? What's his name? George Siemens. So just a bunch of Canadians but I was also following people in France because I was in France there for five years. And so eventually it just kind of came down to this like DS106 hashtag. And I realized that that was a really neat community that was coming out. And then at the same time, I mean Wikipedia was really taking off and they had to like band it at Middlebury. It's like whoa, like this is some like, Alchemist handbook, people are gonna get burned at the stake. So I started clicking on links and the links just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper and search engines were coming out. I got on the Flickr, I was taking lots of pictures. And so all of a sudden I realized there was this whole and this thing like PL, personal learning environment, personal learning networks, those words are coming out. And I realized that I was like, like these different nodes were being started, like this whole web is being spun up, this personal web or as a gardener would call it the personal cyber infrastructure, right? And it was really fascinating, so I could find, and it was really exciting. There was a lot of energy and people started creating stuff and make art. It was really fun. That's kind of where I came into the open web. My experience of the web that was, as a woman on the web wasn't pleasant. Even in those early mudrooms, there was sexual harassment, there was stalking. It was kind of, it's always been a little bit creepy. So I think that stuff may not be better but there's more awareness of it now. So there's maybe not much I miss about the web that was because it wasn't always a super comfortable place to be. What has grown since then is would be projects like, say like Wikipedia, where you've had time for sort of a cumulative process of building wisdom through the contributions of many, many community members. So you've got resources built up now that are very, I mean, not that everything has been resolved to be documented or explained by any means, but there's the amount of good information and content is just staggering. I know in a sense that from a purest point of view, maybe we might want to idealize or even romanticize the early web prior to the big platforms, you know, prior to social media. But again, I mean, there's always trade-offs, you know, like being able to learn things from watching a series of YouTube videos. I know with some of our work, like with the open pedagogy notebook, there are spaces where educators are sharing their practices, connecting with each other, building on each other's ideas in ways that is happening much faster and can be amplified much more, much further. You know, I think about projects like the Open Educational Resources University TAS that really is kind of leading the way with a robust suite of open ed tech that doesn't have people compromise the ethics of what they're trying to do in order to attain some sort of more efficient goal. So there's quite a lot, but I have great hopes based on the trajectory of where things are going. But I think connection, amplification, and being able to kind of break outside of where we're working individually is a huge part of that. A particular story was with one of my courses and the Hurricane Maria in 2017 because the hurricane and the situation that happened after the hurricane in Puerto Rico was so dire and so devastating that together with Alan Levine, we decided to open up a podcast. And it was, I mean, a really fun podcast because we had almost no fixed schedule or frequency. So we did an episode and then more than a week passed without us noticing, et cetera. But it was very much fun. And I remember recording the first episodes of that podcast in the real aftermath of the hurricane. So when my university was still without any form of electrical power or perhaps it had a couple of generators, so it was a very nice thing. And then Alan had this great idea of breaching the web with the atomic world and he began spreading the idea that people sent me and my students postcards from all over the world. And so we were soon showered by the postcards that we received. I still remember one from a great woman, Parisa, an Iranian woman living in Japan and teaching English in Japan was amazing. That story was really amazing. And she sent me an avalanche of little bookmarks done by her students in terms of encouragement for us to keep on. And so that was such a beautiful story that I do remember. And that story wouldn't have happened in a constrained world. There are many, many more voices online. The barrier to entry, the barrier to participation and the ability to build community and claim our presence is quite different now. Still not unproblematic, still doesn't mean people aren't a target, maybe more so now in our current political climate. But certainly the kinds of people who were online when I first got online, it was a narrow demographic. It was people who had access to computing technology. It was people who had a level of technical sophistication and that's not the case much anymore. I think it was Safia Noble that said that algorithmic bias and artificial intelligence is a human rights issue in the 21st century. And I think that is something that our community really needs to focus in on is just the human impact of all of this technology that we're using, how it's becoming infused and essential tools for a 21st century lifestyle like Google and the violence that the decisions that people who code those programs make and inflict on people who are marginalized and affected by that. So I think no matter where you are in the community, no matter what you're advocating for, making sure that we understand the implications of our work and really put at the center of it, building a web and tools that's going to be equitable to everybody and to the extent we can, make sure that we're using our human intelligence to minimize bias and harm. All the different kinds of accessibility now, like especially something like good auto captions for video, good OCR to get text out of images, good translate services so that people don't have to be putting stuff online in a commonly spoken language. They can put stuff online in their language with hopes that all kinds of people around the world would be able to access it. So not just accessibility in that sort of legalistic sense of what you're supposed to do as a teacher, but accessibility in the biggest, broadest sense of that total sharing that can happen online and that needs to happen across languages, across modalities of how you access information online, visual or whatever. The great work that software developers for WordPress and others in the developer communities out there, they're making it easier for non-technical people to accomplish goals they couldn't have done in the past. Just being able to build a really beautiful site that can tell a story with multimedia has gotten a lot easier and you couldn't do that before. There was a lot of tinkering and a lot of, the more technical the geeks had to figure that stuff out. So I like the fact that pretty much content that I create on my mobile device is pretty good, audio, video, et cetera. So that's something that I think is a great accomplishment. The web has gotten very good at making our lives easy and over time that's one of the things that I've just continued to notice as the web has evolved that everything just gets so easy to find what you're looking for, to connect with people, the programs become more intuitive, how to navigate menus, how to find settings. It's just all become so much easier. And I think that's come at a cost though because it's, I guess the forces that are driving those tools that have become so easy to use are designing them, not necessarily to make our lives easier but to extract our data and build a business around that. Something that the past web did not have that I think the present web has is ease of use, right? It was always really difficult to understand how to do things and you had to really search those sources out, whether that be educational, going to college for something, joining trade groups, joining homebrew clubs, those types of things. Now, you're a good 10 to 20 YouTube videos away from mastering something. And I think there's a lot of power in that. I think that there is a lot of power that is actually given back to the consumers of content. And from a positivist perspective, I think that's one of the best things about the web is being able to educate yourself to make really amazing, cool things. So I think the thing that inspires me about the web and where we're going forward is more around there's enough tools and community around building the web that I can now point to things that other people have made in my classroom. And I can just tell my students, we're gonna build that. And 10 years ago, the tool sets surrounding the web were not well-defined, the communities weren't there but you can actually start, it's transferable to give someone else the shoulders to stand on of giants. It used to just be, hey, there's a browser, sweet. Hey, we can search for things on the web, sweet. But now it's actually, here's the tools used to build those things. And you can click a button or you can run a single command in a terminal prompt and you have that capability. And we've got enough documentation. You've got a lot of automation with tools like chatGPT that I can then ask like, how the hell do I use this? And you end up getting a decent enough response that you can get started. My classroom teaching from three years ago is completely transformed because of the standardization and stabilization of those lower levels. I still keep looking for the same stuff I've been excited about since I first started doing stuff on the internet. I just get so excited when I see people working, whether with students or people in the community where the affordances of online technology help people find a voice to articulate things, to gather knowledge, to learn and then share back something that maybe benefits somebody else somewhere else. And that basic dynamic of seeing people share their learning or sharing their passion online in a unique, idiosyncratic voice or collective voice that they're part of is super exciting to me. And I still, anytime I see a project that empowers students or community members to do cool stuff and share it, I get excited. Well, I think for me it's just fascinating because of the engineering that keeps taking place. I mean, I think about it in terms of, the way the trajectory that Silicon Valley is on right now will likely have AI-generated essays submitted by students that are evaluated by AI-driven grading platforms for faculty, which is terribly efficient, but there's zero education happening in there. So for me, I'm nostalgic about the elements of learning that are intensely human, that sense of connection and belonging. And I think part of that is, what can happen in a classroom, even without any technology that allows education to live up to its potential, to have students feel like they belong, to be able to flourish, and for educators to really personalize their learning. That's not driven by an algorithm, but that is driven by their humanity. I like how messy it was and how it would almost demand that you have to be crafty and creative. And as time went on, and I think that was mentioned today in Kathleen's talks, things became more polished, things became much more, templated, I guess, and like the templated self. The earlier web sites were a little messy, but they were all unique, like no one looked the same. And as time went on, things started to look, there's a lot of sameness, right? Ease of use, but with ease of use comes restrictions on creativity and restrictions on the types of expressions that you see in online spaces, so I do miss that. There is a movement, if you've ever looked at Yesterweb, that's more like the old school blog chains, where, and I'm looking for that sort of coming back and also, again, with the discords, with creating our own communities, but they're not such walled silos, because this is one of the things I hate about Facebook, because of the way the algorithms work, it will hide things from you that might be really good to know, whereas the Yesterweb is more like old school web surfing, where it's like, oh, that's an interesting topic, I'll click on that and read that for a long time. And I'm hoping we're gonna see more of that, and definitely the DIY aesthetic. Many of the sites have gotten, like YouTube used to be delightful, in that it was, everybody was an amateur and nobody knew what they were doing, and I'm waiting for that new thing, because everybody on YouTube is terribly polished and they all have wonderful production values, blah, blah, blah. And I'm really looking for that sort of old school, scrappy garage, I whip this together in my mom's basement type stuff. The work that I see in tech right now that I'm hoping will evolve is more backlash to some of these larger conglomerates that we are currently addicted to, a great case, and I'm sure other folks have mentioned it, but it's mastodon versus Twitter. This idea that decentralization isn't just something that Tim Berners-Lee thought of 40 years ago, this is something that needs to push back on the services and the forces and the control that we currently have. And I think we're starting to see that. Now, with that said, we need to find ways to protect those new entities that decentralize, anonymize, and really aren't a capitalist endeavor, they're a social endeavor. You know, what I want to see in the future is a return to the values of the open web, of a growing inclusivity and a growing sense of access and a growing emphasis on real sociality in the ways that we connect with one another across the web. Will we see that? I mean, I think we're at another fork in the road. We're at a place where it's a real possibility. And so I think it's gonna take a kind of conviction and it's gonna take a lot of collaboration and mutual support. And what else would I say? I think it's gonna take a lot of determination to get us there. But I'm really, really hoping that the future of the web brings together a lot of what we know now that we didn't know in 2003, but also with that innovative spirit of 2003 that can lead us in some new directions. I think one possibility is that we will maintain our indie web idea and carry that forward and it'll become a kind of cultural artifact that may or may not be economically viable, but it's maintained by love. I think it's possible that we will either see a web that is aimed at climate change to have as small a footprint as possible, which means a retro web, a smaller web, or we may see a web that is actually designed to help us be more resilient. Just this morning, my wife showed me this news about the Canadian terrible, terrible fires in Nova Scotia and Quebec and how the smoke from that has been drifting down each in the seaboard. So actually I went looking on the web to find some information about this. There's a great air quality site maintained by the US government, pulled that down. So more of that site, and I think it's the kind of thing that we may see more of. They may be maintained by crowd supporting and crowd sourcing as well. Another possibility is that the web shrinks drastically, and it could shrink because of physical damages, such as by solar storms or by human storms. It could be cut back by our failure to grapple with climate change. It could also be just regulated of existence, either through formal regulation or through people's attitudes. We talked last night in one keynote about the idea of rewilding the web, and one possibility is that we wild it through abandonment, and we have lots of abandon websites. So those are some, those are possibilities. I don't like that possibility. As a futurist, I have to show people the wide range of possibilities. Where is the web going? I don't know, and I wanna say that's an optimistic thing. Like I don't think there's any kind of inevitableism about say, you know, Facebook taking over the internet. You know, they certainly have ambitions in that regard, but it's an open question. I'm not gonna make predictions. I just know I'm gonna make my opinions known as I see things happening. And also just to, you know, we vote with our digital feet about where we go, where we spend our time, where we devote our efforts. And that's why I'm so glad for this conference because I meet people who are doing really fantastic work that I wanna support and I wanna spread the word and this place to find out about it. I probably take a more Aaron Swartzian view that everything should just be out there. We have these standards. They're great for communication, transport. These protocols exist. Why are we locking them back down or assuming that the big four are in control of our destiny? We all have access to them. Maybe blogging will be back, but certainly the creativity is not gonna go away. I think that that's the important part is that people will continue to create things. I think the Federation will add some back of the human back into some of these, you know, web platforms and, you know, teaching and learning and living on the web. I mean, I'm seeing glimmers of the quote unquote band getting back together again. Like it's really nice to be here in particular and engage people I haven't engaged in a while and just finding ways to interact and build things together. I've been lucky to build a couple things like for you guys, you know, and that was, that was like a glimmer of hope for me and to see it used by so many people and really it worked in a satisfying way for those people that were using the conference site and so if that's a starting point, I just hope more things like that, you know, see people get back and start making things together again and, you know, DS16 for life, right? I still, I'm just still amazed at the idea of the web. You know, going back, again, I get inspired just thinking about, you know, Jim just mentioned that Dave Weinberger's idea of small pieces loosely joined. Just kind of that, you know, that we have this system where you can discover so many things and just learning how to, like I said, how to understand and parse a URL and explaining that to students and saying, this is what this all means and if you understand a little bit of this, it can, you know, it can be so helpful for you in connecting to other people and to ideas and, you know. So I'm not a very good prognosticator in terms of, you know, what is the web gonna become? I don't know, I mean, I hope there will still be places where people can make of it what they want to. Yeah, congratulations, Taylor. It is now time for the Q and A portion. I think we'll just sort of take turns we're running mics out and then answering questions and things like that, but we did it. I should say too, I mean, the Q and A here, I guess, I don't know, the three of us didn't talk about this, but I'm kind of hoping, what'd you say? Yeah, probably, but I'm kind of hoping, I'm thinking of this as a Q and A at stuff you just watched, right? So feel free to direct questions or pose questions, I guess, not everyone's here who's in the video, some folks had to leave early, but at the room is kind of what I'm thinking. But yeah, anyone have thoughts or stuff we'll run mics out to you. It's on a quick thought, which is that if you guys are gonna do a transcript to go with this, it would be so cool to get a word cloud out of it because there were words and themes that just came up over and over again, and I think it would be really beautiful to see that visualized just like in one shot of all the ways that connect, share, discover came up. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. And I think too, a lot of the conversations that we had outside of what we just saw, like throughout the whole interview, like I just asked the questions. Pilot was next to me typing away on all the transcripts of like what everybody was saying. So I think even just taking like a word cloud from your notes, pilot, like that would be so cool. I may have a AI tool that can take a transcript. That is going to be objectively higher quality than doing a word cloud out of my notes, but I appreciate the thought. Questions or notes? Or this isn't so much a question. Or changes you want us to make? I already noted some mistakes. I'm missing some titles in there. How hard was it to do? Like, you know, at BH, I'm sure people know like this was all taken over the last, some of it this morning, right? Over the last day and a half, two days. What was your process? Like how did you all figure out how to do? Cause I kind of said, I want to do a documentary, right? Figure it out. So like what did you all do? What is it you do here? Yeah, so I mean, Meredith kind of kept a little bit, right? Yeah, yeah. So we kind of just, as we were planning the rundown of how we were going to like even just all of reclaim, like kind of put this on like for the last couple of days, we just, it just ended up that the three of us were kind of more of the documentary folks and pilot was really instrumental in like setting up the shot every time just to make sure that like the person was sitting in the right spot, the camera was pointed the right way. They were looking in the right direction. I just asked questions. Like everybody came up with the questions. I kind of introduced everything to continue the conversation and facilitate to make it seem more like a conversation than like I'm literally sitting at, sitting and talking to you about questions. So it was really cool. Yeah. And we did have Jim ask some questions for folks and Lauren did as well. And I don't know that I'm missing anybody, but Meredith did the majority of them. And it is kind of interesting from my perspective as the editor, it was easier to edit the ones where we had fallen into a rhythm a little bit because it was easier for me to go like, oh, I'm looking for something like this. That's probably the third question asked, you know. Yeah. I have two specific things that I wanted to say which is to what you were saying Meredith about just asking questions. I could as easily say, oh, I was just taking notes. And Taylor, I don't think you would downplay your role but I know that a time or two you've said that your job was made substantially easier by Amanda and Noah trimming clips by my notes and the idea of that you were just pulling it all into the timeline, which is simply not true. And I think that it's very easy for us as a team to say, oh, I was just doing this. Other people did the real work. Our last interviews finished two hours before we were set to start talking here. So this was an amazing team effort and I don't want anyone to sell themselves short. The other thing is that in terms of team effort and people contributing at the start, last week basically we put out a call in Discord that said if anyone wants to be interviewed for the documentary we'd love to have you. Please share your stories. And we got two signups. And we are very, very thankful to Lee and to Brian Olendike for signing up ahead of time. But we were so scared on Monday morning that that was gonna be it. And it would have been a great documentary but it would have been about 40 minutes back to back of Lee and Brian. I think everyone, but The director's cut. The director's cut. But, the reclaimed hosting version. Throughout Monday and then throughout Tuesday and even this morning we had people saying, you know what, actually I do wanna be part of this to the point where on Monday and last week we were saying, all right, we'll have half hour interview sessions and then we'll talk to everybody for a half hour. By midday yesterday we had to cut them down to 15 minutes. I was nervous about whether we'd be able to get everybody in. So I wanted to say thank you to everybody who signed up to be interviewed because that was great and it felt very scary Monday morning. Yeah, and a couple other notes it mentioned before but Amanda and Noah caught up clips separately so we kind of round-tripped some of these through Google Drive. But we did find that takes a lot of uploading and downloading, I mean we knew that but that was really helpful for me. And then Pilot is a known prolific note taker in the reclaimed, internally at Reclaim. And so that was great too. So I could look at these like surprisingly complete notes with timestamps so I could go, yeah that sounds cool zoom to that time code in the clip and find it. Other questions? This isn't so much a question as it is a comment. I just wanted to say that it was, as someone kind of new to the space, one thing you notice as I don't know if it's, yeah just being new to the space there are a lot of connections that have already been made by folks here and that everyone's happy to see each other and so it was really nice to see some of the people on the screen and them talk about their experiences and then kind of get a little bit of the history so I know, and it's not lost on anyone here I'm sure that this is going to be like a really great artifact about the folks who are in the spaces and stuff so I appreciate it seeing that. Thanks so much and I think that was part of the core idea Jim mentioned earlier that he said he wanted a documentary and told us to figure it out. With the idea of we were all really excited to have all of you here and to preserve this moment and the conversations that came out of it and what you were thinking. One of the interview questions that we asked that mostly didn't make it in and it probably might, if we do a director's cut was what did you think of the event? What are you feeling? What are the conversations here sparked? And that was really nice to the answers that we got were really great there. And I just want to like riff off of that too like with Jim's creative restraint of like documentary do it sort of sort of attitude was really fun because that's kind of where the best stuff comes from is those creative restraints. And it's really cool to see everybody's perspective because we have a wide range of ages here from like my first interaction was 2013 literally in Jim's freshman seminar class of Mary Washington. And that's like kind of one of my core memories of the internet and then hearing stories from 1995, 1993 like all sorts of like years ranging throughout the whole thing is really cool too. So like that to me was like really, really helpful and good perspective for everything. I just, I wanted to first just commend you guys because that was incredible. And just as a comment about what people were saying in general, I particularly really enjoyed the section on the web that was in hearing so such variety of origin stories from everybody in this room who all of us kind of share a lot in terms of I think our vision and our experiences but the stories of how we came to this place there's a lot of really rich variety there which I think was important to write that there isn't a single path that's gotten us where we are.