 Okay, welcome back everyone. We will get started with the next section here if there are no questions With regard to the earlier one, which I think we have already talked about Okay, so let's let's just go ahead. The next topic here is about the church Being the branches of the wine and we know that Jesus paints this very beautiful picture of the wine and its branches and you know this again is a relationship that God has with the believer And so it applies to the local church and we'll see what insights we can gain from the wine and its branches The passage is from John chapter 15 verses 1 through 8 and it will be good for somebody to read the entire passage So I would like to request one of us, could you read the passage please? All the 8 verses from 1 to 8 Anita, are you able to read? One minute Yeah, yeah, please, sure Third chapter, John 3 There was a Pharisee range John, one second Anita, this is John 15, you can read from John 15 verses 1 to 8 Yeah, sure, thank you I am the true wine, my father is a gardener He cuts off every branch joined to me that does not bear fruit He trains every branch that does bear fruit Then it will bear even more fruit You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you Remain joined to me just as I also remain joined to you No branch can bear fruit by itself It must remain joined to the wine in the same way you can't bear fruit unless you remain joined to me I am the wine, you are the branches If you remain joined to me and I to you will bear a lot of fruit You can't do anything without me If you don't remain joined to me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and rise up Branches like those are picked up, they are thrown into the fire and burned If you remain joined to me and my words remain in you Ask for anything you wish and it will be done for you When you bear a lot of fruit, it brings glory to my father It shows that you are my disciples Amen Amen, thank you Anita It's a beautiful passage that talks about the life of God flowing through us and us being fruitful Let's look at it and we'll see how this applies to the local church Here we notice that the true wine or the source of life is the Lord Jesus And the Father, he is called as a wine dresser or he is the one who is working on the wine, on the branches And the branches are connected to the wine And these branches are us, God's people So what are a couple of things that are happening here? One is connectedness God says as long as the branch is connected to the main trunk It is alive and it is able to bear fruit So there is an emphasis on connectedness Now for a believer, what does being connected mean? It means intimacy with God So as long as we have and maintain intimacy with God We can have everything that is flowing through the main trunk, that is God himself Everything that is in God can be released into us But for that, the requirement is intimacy We are also told that if there is no intimacy, then what happens? The branch which is cut off or which is not connected to the wine It will dry up and it is good enough to be thrown into the fire When there is no intimacy, we are disconnected from the purposes of God From the guidance of God, what God is speaking in the now into our hearts What God is doing right now, so there is that disconnect And if we are completely disconnected, then there is a danger of us falling away And that is what we see here So the first emphasis is connectedness and intimacy We can apply this to an individual We can also apply this to a church family We can apply this to a church community And we can see how to maintain that intimacy with God As pastors, leaders, ministers We can do our part in nurturing the community into intimacy So we may want to teach God's word to bring understanding about God's word So that people have a grip on God's word They are able to spend time with God, meditating on his word We can have times of worship where people are able to experience God's presence And hopefully all of this will translate into their own personal lives as we disciple them And we teach them about their personal work, developing their prayer life with God And all that, what happens? They will stay connected They will develop in intimacy with God And have all of the things of God ministering to them So one aspect is connectedness Then the second aspect we see here is that it's only when we are connected to God We are told that there is going to be fruit bearing So I'm just reading from verse 4 Abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself Unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me So what is the criteria for bearing fruit abide in the vine? Again, connectedness out of intimacy will come fruitfulness But God does expect fruitfulness Verse 5 I am the vine, you are the branches, he who abides in me and I in him bears much fruit For without me you can do nothing So God is expecting fruit How can we say that? Because verse 2 says every branch in me that does not bear fruit, he takes away So God wants us to bear fruit And verse 8 it says by this my father is glorified that you bear much fruit So you will be my disciples So God wants us to bear fruit What is fruit? We can look at several scriptures and come to the conclusion that fruit has to do with the outcome of our lives One outcome is with regard to our character The fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, long suffering So Galatians 5 verses 22 to 23 we see the reflection of God in our character And God expects that from us So as a believer and as a community of believers, as people are journeying along This is something that must come forth And people are growing in these things and they are releasing that fruit of the Holy Spirit Which is talked about in Galatians 5 So that's how the people of the world, they say these believers will help They have a very compassionate heart And there are many Christian people who have helped in times of need during floods and famines Because the character of God is coming through The believers are stepping out in love The believers are stepping out with encouragement and kindness and things like that So the character is coming forth And it can be seen in various situations through individuals and through the believing community Through some social action or in a response to any matter But the character, you understand what I'm saying The character of God has to come through and that is fruit of the Holy Spirit Now what else is fruit or what else is outcome of our lives? The outcome of our lives is also the fulfillment of the purposes of God So as you and I, we are growing in what God has called us to do As we are becoming better at releasing the gifts that God has entrusted us with As we are becoming better in the calling We get a hold of the calling and we are living out that life for God That also is an outcome That also is an outcome and God is glorified by that Now outcome and fruit can also refer to the outcome of the ministry In the life of Jesus, we saw how he revealed the glory of God So even us, as we release that glory in various ways The supernatural power of God, the works of God Jesus said, I do the works of the Father If you don't believe me, at least believe the works Because they testify of me So the works testify of God And when a believer is doing the Father's works Even then, we are bearing fruit for the kingdom We are bearing fruit as branches So God is looking for fruit All of these fruits must be seen in individual believers As well as a community of believers Or you could say the local church And so we must encourage believers to move in this direction The second Peter chapter 1 There again, Peter encourages the believer to keep growing When we are abiding in God And his word is abiding in us There is a growth process, there is a maturity That we are all moving towards And so Peter adds, he says that one must move forward Yes, bear the fruit of the spirit But also develop a character Now what does this character look like? He kind of points out certain things He says, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue So these characteristics must be seen in us There must be faith, yes But in addition to that, be virtue In addition to virtue, be knowledge In addition to knowledge, self-control Perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, love And in verse 8, 2 Peter 1 verse 8 He says, for if these things are yours and abound You will be neither barren nor unfruitful In the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ So this is also a path of fruitfulness That we are being shown Maturing in God, maturing in the things of God Maturing in these characteristics That have been listed So in all these ways, we can reveal That we are being fruitful And we are making that journey with God And that journey in a connected way Obviously we cannot grow in these things Unless God's life is working in us And so we must remain connected We must remain intimate with God We must have His word abiding in our hearts We must let the spirit of God work in us And that's when the fruit which the Father is looking for That's what we read The Father is looking for fruit If there is no fruit, what does He do? He prunes Sorry, He cuts away But if there is fruit, what does the Father do? Verse 2, John chapter 15 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit If there is no fruit, He takes away What if the branch bears fruit? Let's look at that And every branch that bears fruit He prunes that it may bear more fruit So what is a reward for bearing fruit? Very unlikely reward, pruning That's what the Father does So what does pruning mean? Pruning means purging It means cleansing It means sanctifying It means purifying So when God sees that a believer is walking in the ways of God Some cleansing comes our way Now God might minister through a word Or God might minister through a circumstance Or in some way But what is He drawing us to? He is drawing us to a greater commitment He is drawing us to greater revelation He is drawing us to deeper depths in Him So there is a cleansing that takes place in our lives Or if you want to look at it this way Basically it's like aligning yourself more and more To what God's heart is for us So yeah, we were aligned A couple of degrees But when we are aligned God says, okay, come on, get a little more aligned Get a little more aligned So God keeps bringing us and drawing us Closer and closer to Himself And getting us into His purposes His dream for our lives So that's what the Father expects He expects us to become more like Him And that is when this whole cleansing Purifying, sanctifying process is We are taken through that And it really pleases the Father Because when we go through the pruning Or a plant, when you prune it It grows better It becomes more fruit bearing You'll find more fruits on it You'll find more flowers Because you got rid of all the unwanted leaves And unwanted things that are drawing away The energy of the plant And God channelizes or focuses our energy Into the things that glorify His name And that is why pruning is the reward For a fruit bearing believer And God is going to align us closer and closer More accurately to Himself And that's actually a good thing Because when we align ourselves more to God When there is pruning, cleansing in our lives What happens? We are able to bear more fruit For His kingdom So these are all some of the insights We can draw from John chapter 15 So in a practical way How can we use this in the context of the local church? Intimacy, emphasize intimacy We've talked about this when we said that the church is the bride So the relationship that Christ Jesus has with the church Is that of a bridegroom and a bride So there is that relationship of intimacy And even here, the vine and its branches connectedness If we are disconnected, you know, there is no way we can live for God In fact, it says without me, you can do nothing So without God, without Jesus, we can't do anything So intimacy, the emphasis is on intimacy And we must make room for that in our personal lives As well as in the church context And help people, guide people to continue abiding in Him So all the ministry that we do is targeted towards that Bring people back to the word, back to His presence Let them dwell with God And when they dwell with God and He dwells with them Then the fruitfulness will begin to appear So intimacy is the first thing The second thing is check for fruitfulness Now, as a church and as a body of believers It's very easy for us to get caught up in activities And it generally happens Because people are passionate, they're running after ministry goals We are busy But is God looking for business or is He looking for fruitfulness? The Father, we are told, is checking for fruitfulness So that must awaken us To the right kind of assessment From time to time, we look at our ministry We look at the church and we see how fruitful are we How would we qualify if the Father were to test us? Will He find us fruitful in character? Will He find us fruitful in the works of the Father? Will He find us fruitful in fulfilling our purposes for Him? If not, if we are just engaging in a lot of activities And thinking that God is pleased by it Then we are not aligned And God is really not pleased with our business So check for fruitfulness And from time to time, as we are assessing ourselves God might reveal that there are certain activities That are not really productive So we won't find it difficult to get rid of activities Because our goal is fruitfulness It's not the process but it is the progress So look for fruitfulness and that is the key Even in church, we can look at the things that we are doing And see, is it really leading people to bear fruit for the kingdom? If not, we can get rid of some of the activities Then we must encourage everyone to bear fruit Now, what is God's expectation? Every branch that is connected, see, He prunes The branches that don't bear fruit So God wants branches that bear fruit Which means individuals Every individual, we know that each person is called for a ministry So we as pastors, leaders It's our responsibility to see This is the vision over this individual's life How can I guide this person? How can I mentor this person to move into the fullness That God has for this person? So basically bear fruit Guide them in that direction So that in the area where God has called them They are fruitful And every believer, for that matter It's a responsibility of the leadership to channelize their energies for fruit bearing And so again, the kind of mentoring we do The leadership we provide The way we steer things It must ensure that every branch is able to bear fruit It's not that only the pastor should bear fruit That's all But every branch should bear fruit What else? Some other practical things are the cleansing aspect So the cleansing aspect So cleansing aspect refers to realigning ourselves Now there can be times when God puts a word on our hearts And that we have to do with setting right some ungodly standards Some ungodly standards in the community Ungodly attitudes among people Or ungodly lifestyle So anything that is drawing us away from living that holy life that God has called us to As a pastor and a leader Maybe God puts some words in our hearts and says Okay, you have to preach these messages Or you have to guide in this way So we must be open for that We must be open And if it's a season of purging, cleansing, sanctifying That God is bringing upon the community Then we should know how to steward that and lead people into it Because what happens after pruning? More fruitfulness But if we hold on to those things Which God is asking us to get rid of Then we will not be able to glorify God So seasons of cleansing and purging And every community will go through that And as pastors and leaders We must know how to guide people during those times Now what are some of the challenges? Some of the challenges could be We talked about intimacy And intimacy would require us to focus on God Give God our time, wait on Him, hear from Him And for some of us who are very action oriented It's not easy We don't want to wait and soak in His presence Just tell me what to do, great commission Go evangelize, I'll do it So it's that whole balance We talked about this even when we said that the church is the bright There is a go which is the great commission But there's also a come invited into God's presence There's a balance So again the people who are action oriented This whole thing about intimacy Can be hard to digest And also the truth that when you abide in me You will bear much fruit It's like for the logical mind That doesn't make sense When I'm in action I can see an outcome But if there's no action Then how can I see ministry outcomes So we get very restless I cannot spend my time just waiting on the Lord I have things to do, I have to get stuff done So you know that there's that whole struggle But yes, we have to learn to be still in God's presence And be with Him And we have a promise When we are intimate with God Without me you can do nothing But when we are with Him There is a byproduct Automatically actually in a sense There is fruitfulness Even without us driving so much And working so hard There will be fruit seen in and through our lives For the one reason That we have learned the key of intimacy So that abiding and intimacy Can be difficult for many of us So that's where we have to work on it personally And also guide people And help them understand it's not a waste of time It's not at all a waste of time The time which is spent in prayer The time which is spent in God's presence It's never wasted time In fact, you know That's where our fruitfulness comes from So that is a challenge Then moving on We said fruitfulness God is looking for fruitfulness Now to a certain extent It's possible that the community is fruitful And they are doing God's works They are displaying God's character But you see when we read John chapter 15 It almost seems like the father is Progressively looking for fruitfulness He keeps pruning the wine And he keeps making sure that it gets Better and better and better Similarly, when we start checking For fruitfulness in our lives For some people in the church In the community Again, what we said about Mount Zion For some people it'll be like Hey, you're asking for too much I'm doing a little for God and just let it be Let me be, this is all Don't expect more But that is the direction In which God is leading us Throughout our journey in life God wants us to keep increasing in him He wants to keep maturing in him He wants us to keep being fruitful in him So there's always that cleansing That purging more fruitfulness Cleansing, purging, more fruitfulness So it's like a loop, a cycle It keeps repeating itself So the people in our community May find us stuck on this And say what is this? Every time you're expecting More fruitfulness, more fruitfulness We're already making an impact Can we not just settle down And be comfortable right now? But it doesn't work like that But we can remind them They're not doing this for anybody But this is what God desires He will be glorified as we Progress with him So let's all strive For greater fruitfulness On the journey So encourage people to continuously Be fruitful The next thing is Times of purging and cleansing As a community This also can be challenging Because God can ask us To set Some standards right Change the way we are doing things At church So for the community it can be hard Maybe the pastor has decided We will do it like this But for the congregation It can be hard Change is always difficult We've talked about it We will talk about it So moving people In this process In the seasons of purging and cleansing Maybe I'll just give you one example For cleansing Maybe God leads the pastor To call for A season of seeking him Let's say 40 days The pastor just Shares us with the church and says We are going into a time of prayer Of worship, of meditating in God's word Every day in the evening We are going to meet at this place And everyone come Let's worship the Lord Let's wait in His presence God will do a new work in our midst That's a season of cleansing Right God wants to do a work in the body But for a lot of people They might resist it and say Why should we do this We are already spending so much time In God's presence To accept things like this Can be very challenging As a leader, as a pastor How are we going to Navigate Through times of Resistance That can come from the people The congregation I think I will stop here We have got the essence Of what it means to be The branches Connected to the true wine Any thoughts and questions We can take that up now Anita has a question How We would know we are fruitful What kind of fruit I think I answered that What kind of fruit In character That is the fruit Which we are looking for And how would we know That we are fruitful How will we know That we are fruitful The father's works I think that's quite easy To tell We can see that God's power Is being released through our lives Now Coming to the maturing part And the character part It's only when the Going gets rough You come into a situation There you are able to see Your character I might think that I am so humble But There is a situation where I am not recognized It might deeply hurt me That's when I know I am not humble at all There is so much pride sitting Inside of me Testing for the character fruit It's a little more Difficult Does that help? I am not sure if Anita Is it clear? Let's move on Ashikumar, you have a question Yes, Pastor Pastor, I just wanted to know Thank you When You were saying that You were waiting upon the Lord And especially in the ministry And sometimes you feel that You have to jump into something Because the things are not happening But I just wanted to know that Like How are we able to Recognize That Even if we are waiting And the Lord wants us to do something Like as you waited For more than two years Or three years and four years Now you have got an inspiration To get into You know, to start a business Or you know, parallelly You start the ministry Or something like that How are we able to You know Know that That is from the Lord Or that is not from our emotions Or desperation Or you know, or that is not from Because of a lot of anxiousness Is there in our life and We are struggling that things are not happening The way how we thought when we step into the ministry And now nothing is Happening And This is not the desire of the flesh And how are we able to You know, differentiate That this is a flesh or this is a spirit That what is expecting, what is Moving in us When you start a business Or now you parallelly do something Because I also so many people Who step into the ministry Or they get into You know, the ministry Or they become Their intercessors Or something like that Then they come to a conclusion They say that no, I don't have to work anymore You know, I don't have to do anything Now I only have to from morning till evening Or night, whole night And then I see their lives Getting more Worst in finances in every area Where there is no productivity in their life And by seeing them Sometimes I feel that what they are doing Is right or is it the real way Of waiting the Lord Or what I said is like You know, you waited for something and nothing is You are not seeing the way how That completeness you are not seeing And now you are feeling that Yes, I have to permit you to do Something rather than wasting my time So I just want to know that How What is the right way to Identify that it is from the spirit Or it's from the flesh Thank you, Master Okay, thank you, Shikumar It's a difficult question It's a very difficult question actually Yeah So see initially When you were asking about When You don't mind if you could mute please Because I can hear an echo Yeah, thank you So initially when you were asking about One waiting on the Lord And then deciding, okay now I'm going to step into Ministry After having waited on the Lord How do we know? That's a question About confirmation So we need a confirmation That this is what God is calling us to do And for that I'll just give you One simple scripture Yeah This is 2nd Corinthians 13 And verse 1 This is like you know Most basic when we make Decisions By the mouth of Two or three witnesses every word Shall be established So two or three witnesses So when we make Big decisions like this, okay I'm going to Step into full time ministry or this is The call of God on my life I'm going to move in this direction There's nothing wrong with getting a confirmation And it's a question about God's guidance So there is an APC publication Called God's Guidance You can read that There are many ways in which God speaks to us And through each one of them We can get a confirmation So we can be pretty clear that okay fine This is what God wants me to do Let me get into full time ministry So that was one aspect of what Sri Kumar Was asking about The other thing is As we are in the ministry Now you're asking me there are people Who decide to wait on the Lord The whole time Okay and they don't engage In any kind of an income Generating activity And so They go through difficulty you know Where's the balance waiting on the Lord And going ahead and doing some stuff So this is challenging Sri Kumar Because one Has to truly hear from God Okay because I know Of people who made such a decision Of Waiting on the Lord And one particular brother He's called for intercession And it's Different because he spends all His time only in prayer And worship and all But the thing is He has studied And he has a degree and all of that So he can do very well in the workplace But he senses that His call is just intercession So he's staying home and praying That's what he does the whole time But how can we discern Whether that's the right thing or not Look for the fruit So this particular person Now opportunities Are beginning to come his way During the lockdown There were people who asked him to share the word To do stuff and so You can see that There is fruit, God is moving Things As he is being obedient to what God Is told him to do And it's quite rare Sri Kumar to have You know people like this who say Okay I will not do anything else I'm only going to engage in The practical way of doing things is We can start off You know serving God If God is not told you Okay you quit your job if you've never heard that word You do the ministry You also do the The work, the assignment that God has given As time progresses And as we continue to Engage with God what happens is You'll begin to see Doors shutting, doors opening And God very clearly leading us Into a full time role At least that's what happened in my case As a volunteer I started and then the ministry Was becoming More and more and more and more I couldn't handle my work So I had to come to a place of decision I discussed with my family and I said Look I'm choosing this because I feel Like God is telling me to get into Full time ministry So I think that will be a practical way Of Making decisions Unless God has given you a clear word To stay and you know just pray Do all that A practical thing to do is do both Till Such time when he clearly Directs you into a full time role I hope It gives some light on What you're asking Thank you Sure, thank you And I saw some more hands go up Kennedy did you want to ask a question Your hand went up and then Yes Kennedy He's waiting As a pruning period Waiting on the Lord That period of pruning That's pruning period Yeah in the pruning period we are waiting On the Lord Is it okay? Can we treat you that way While we're waiting Is God pruning us Yes Yes Kennedy Of course God we know that you know he works in us Right so He's changing our hearts He's working on our attitude That cleansing is coming in So yeah that's true the cleansing is happening Yes Harrison Thank you I want to ask this question Is it possible to Do full time ministry At the same time work That's my question Yeah so Yes Harrison There are several people who do that And You know I think pastor also If you know a little bit about his Background He was running a company I think the company shut down only I don't know exactly which year But maybe about 5-6 years ago But till then Pastor was running a company And leading the church At the same time Does that answer your question Like you said He was running the company But is this too running the company now No He closed the company Because that was part of his plan That eventually he will Move completely into ministry And it happened For a couple of reasons He decided at one point To make the transition So he closed the company And now he's completely into the ministry Work Thank you Yeah Thank you Pastor Yes Harrison's Question If the church cannot support the pastor And Ministers have skills To End money to support their lives They should work At the same time Doing ministry Yes Mangi That's correct We see that in Paul's life He was a tent maker So even when he met Aquila, Priscilla They were all tent makers That was common among them They were teachers of the world Which they used for income generation So yeah Nothing wrong with that Just to add in to what Mangi Said When we look at our church now You have workers in the church You have the OSHAs You have the musicians And the rest of them It's more like It's a bit difficult To pay them Or maybe take care Of their welfare And the way it's now looking It's more like Everyone has to do What he or she wants to do For God without Any form of payment But I believe that Anyone that is serving in the church The welfare should be taken care of And If they pay attention To their service Then their welfare should be taken care of But when we look at it now From where I'm coming from Or from where I am It's more like it's a taboo For you to come and demand for a ransom Or demand for a pay For you doing something Or walking in the church And just like we cited The case of Paul Paul, when we look at it If we look at it carefully Till, you know The end of his ministry He was still a tent maker So I want to still believe that it is possible You know to still do something And still do ministry It all depends on the approach And how we manage What we are doing So that, you know it does not Hinders us from following the instructions You know God has given us to carry out So I don't know if you could just throw more light When it comes to Walk us in the church, I'm being paid Yeah, good question Yes, thank you Harrison Again, good question there So the way we would look at this is If someone's engaging in ministry I mean the way I would look at it Is that if someone's engaging in ministry And The responsibility is Such that they are unable To earn an income You know in any other way Then yes, you know we can We can consider Paying them I'll just give you one practical way Here at APC We have Church staff And I don't know the exact numbers But you know it's not A huge number, I think it must be About 20 or something So that's the full time You know paid staff of the church But we have hundreds of volunteers I don't know again The last time I heard the numbers was Some 300 volunteers In our five locations So volunteer means that they don't get paid But they still serve And that's the church culture Which we have here So we just serve, we volunteer And You know as I shared with you My example So I had a job, I had a full time job And I was serving as an Associate pastor for one of our locations For a long time And the circumstances Were such that there was a change Happening in my workplace and even personally I wanted to spend more time To serve God and there was an Opportunity in church as well The mission's role was open At that point nobody was taking it up So it all just kind of fit very well And I made the transition From a volunteer to a paid person Only when There was no other way Like if I engage myself in so much ministry I wouldn't have the time to earn So that's when You know the payment kind of started So that's how It's happened for me and even here At APC we have paid roles Which are fewer As compared to volunteers So there are a lot of people who serve as Volunteers, they still keep their job And you know they are able to put in that kind of Time and it doesn't really Affect the work which they are doing Yeah Yeah and I'm sure I can add more to that Harrison But just for Positive of time maybe I'll Stop with that And I hope it's okay with you Maybe via email I can send you a few more Reasons why we would choose To pay somebody in ministry Is that okay Harrison? Yeah thank you Also if we look at the case of The Levites One reason you know that The Titanina came in too Was to see that all that was working in the house Of God we have been taking care of Yeah Sure I understand Where you are coming from But yeah I will share my Additional thoughts on that I'm sorry to interrupt you Because Christopher is waiting and we have Very little time before we close Christopher please go ahead Yes I have two questions One is You know in reference to The bible Reference about Without me you can do nothing And I mean You know a person Who Who could be either believers Or non-believers Who are demonstrating You know Gifts of the spirit Not being you know You know financially well And you know Exhibit A lot of godliness But without You know generally believers also You know For example So I just wanted to you know You could quantify that statement Without me you could do nothing So that Because I guess the world view Will be that you know We can still do it quite a lot Yeah So that is the first question And the second one is With the regards to the Again the biblical reference Casting out Casting out a branch and If anyone does not abide me So in a In a local church context Would there be circumstances Where You know people who You know not abiding With god And also you know with Certain principles of A church To you know Leave the church for example And you know get cast out So I just wanted to you know get Your view of that Sure Christopher Thank you good questions again So the answer to the first one is A lot of good works can be done Christopher But the fathers works are what We are referring to when we say The fruit which a believer must bear That glorifies god I think that god becomes the source Of those good works which the father Wants us to do so the fathers works Can the world people of the world Do good good works who don't belong To god of course they can But they're not necessarily the fathers Works that glorify the father Okay And you know there are other other Things as jesus said there will People who will do good things in the name Of god but he'll say oh I didn't know you So the emphasis there again is on The relationship with god So that is one thing The second one the answer Whether people would be put away Answer is yes Okay and I will qualify this When we talk about Church discipline So there is an entire section on Church discipline when we talk About that you will have clarity There are certain There could be certain You know cases Where it is Required for us to tell someone You know that Okay for whatever reason That yeah You would need to leave Yeah so it is possible But we'll deal with that In the church discipline class Is that okay Christopher? Yes thank you But one thing I'll add Again these instances are few and far Between very very very rare Okay so let me just add that I'll pray and let's close I know you have another class to get to Heavenly father we Thank you lord for giving us This time in your presence in your word Father even as we engage In your word lord we thank you lord We thank you for all that you're doing In our hearts all that you're doing In our lives and father god Prepare us lord to be Lord fruit bearing branches Lord that our lives and Lord our fruit might glorify Your name lord I commit every single one Every every single person On this call into your hands Lord we commit the rest of the day lord We pray that you will go before us Strengthen us lord and lead us In Jesus name we pray amen Amen thank you Everyone god bless you Have a wonderful day And we will connect again next week Thank you thank you Thank you bye Thank you bye Thank you Thank you everyone