 Good morning everybody and welcome to Genetic Genealogy of Ireland 2017. This is the fifth year that we've had these DNA lectures here at the back door pass in the ODS in Dublin in Old Bridge. We are being live streamed on Facebook as we speak so watch your language. You're all very, very welcome. It's great to see a lot of familiar faces in the audience. And we're going to kick off this morning with Anne Marie Coppola. Now, Anne Marie is a professional genealogist living in Ireland, a member of the British Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists, and her background is in education and business consultancy. She manages the social media for the Cork Genealogical Society and has the Cork Genealogical Society's Facebook pages with its private hub group for Cork DNA. She is also the administrator of the Cork Ireland project, the Nagel family project and the McGrath plan project hosted a family treaty. They are very kind sponsors for these three days of DNA lectures. So please give a very warm welcome for Anne Marie Coppola. I'm going to start with where I am at the moment because this all started with one kid in 2013 on a very, very neat February day. And this is where I am four years later. So this is, I don't want to put you off, but this is what could happen to you if you actually get hit for a month today. Okay, now I must stress that at least 85% of my research has been done the hard way. So this has been getting on the train in my holidays, popping down to the nearest archives with a list of things to find out and hanging around the microfetches and having another breakdown to bring back with one marriage record and being thrilled to bits. Okay, so this is the way I've done it. So my research, I've been doing it for a very long time and there were certain areas, not-go areas, which had to part and I thought, well, one day perhaps. One of my lines I got stuck on in 1790. I know it sounds far back, but I knew I could get further and there was a marriage of one of my great-grandmothers, time six and she turned into a very, very common name locally and there was no way I was going to be able to keep her out from anybody else. So I decided to have a look at the maternal DNA, so that's the grandmother's line and I've been talking about that for a little while. I was thrilled. I watched a programme on BBC about the seven daughters of Eve by Brian Sykes, who was working out of Oxford University. Now, he's got a favour a little while ago, but if you can get his book it's fascinating to see how they actually understood the genome and how they worked with it to make the migration of the human species from Africa. Amazing. Really good read there. I mean, you can't do that. Great. So I thought, right, I'll go for the maternal DNA line. Let Morris over a pint. And he said, oh, he wanted to do it. So I came in for the test and when I got sat down I spoke to him. Have you tried the family formula? And I said, what's that? I can give you results along the lines. And I said, what, even on my dad's side, so I'll stand with him. So I got results back. And I didn't recognise my results. I have got Eastern European. I have got Arabic. So it was a Saturday. So I got a hold of some of the... When I went to Facebook, he said the genealogists did the genetic genealogists. And I said, look, I've got the long kit back. What do I do? And he said, I'll have another look at it. And yes, I found one of my school friends on it. His cousin. I found another name. And then all my line that I had researched, all the locations were live. And I thought, well, that's it. Eastern European knows where that's come from. See ya. So I couldn't find... I couldn't hear about the Irish lines at all. I just couldn't do it because I've got Irish on both sides. So the best thing to do is if I can get hold of people who are also looking at the locations where I want to look, if we can talk to each other, perhaps I can make sense of what I've got. So I had a look at the GEDmatch Facebook group and worked out how they were doing it. And then I set myself up on the... as a cork researcher. And I put a group together. And I went really hardcore. It was like, looking at it now, I wouldn't have done it like this. But what they said was, you have to have an established tree in cork. Never mind cork Ireland on the US records. I want a tree in cork, and I want to know where you are in cork. And have you got DNA testing and you've got to have an autosomal test, which I've come back to. And if you have a European person, you can be my group. Okay? So I've really, really narrowed it down quite a lot, you know. So it's a private group. There was an awful lot of conversations. We didn't... We were all driving line, basically. We've all got conversations about what we were doing, how we were doing it. Somebody had got some information, which is what someone showed it. And the DNA corking group. Now I've got about, I'd say, eight or nine people building their own groups now, out and about. So they've got, you know, we can do this. We've got one lady who started her own Y DNA group in cork for her surname in a very small area. And that's actually now going forward to the hands of Ireland for being a confirmation that it is a distinct crumb within that surname. So this is what he's done. This is the potential of DNA. It's amazing. I also straightaway joined the ISOC because they've got stuff that I needed. And I came to the GDR 13 to find out what was going on in Ireland. So where I am now is I'm the local contact in the south of East of Ireland. I have a bag of DNA kits in my little bag, in my car. And anybody who looks slightly interested I'm giving them out. And I also get phone calls saying I hear you have DNA kits. Can I meet you somewhere for coffee? I'm building out DNA kits and have children and things like that. I'm a bit straight. Anyway, so that's what I'm one of the kits. The Paddy is up in Claire. He does the same thing. And we've also got North Ireland. They're not the same. So we've got three points in Ireland. You get your kits from. You don't pay me. You pay online. But you can collect your kit. It saves hostage. And you also get a free consultation at the same time. Luckily, I'm kind of chief for the number R plan. He lives locally. And he said to me, watch fast through the DNA at our DNA gathering event. And our gathering event. And that's it. So he's a PR person. So he was talking to the newspaper and the paper's a little full. He said, oh, we'll have a bit of DNA at the gathering next year. The following week, newspaper headline, McGrath Clan DNA Extract. First project for the plan. I said, oh, what are we doing now? We're very close to talking about it. So we had to set it up. We claimed the DNA project that was sitting asleep in Family Tree DNA. So all the names, most of the names are in Family Tree DNA in the wine projects. But you need to go and adopt one. So we adopted it. And we started all along. I'd say 80% of the kids in there are actually out of the gathering. So if you're actually thinking about doing a family or a sooner gathering, you can really, you know, accelerate it by using Family Tree DNA wine. I also took on the labels because the labels, I'm not a label as far as I know, but they are quite a discrete group. They work out of North Cork. They say it's a non-serene. And they all seem to have the same first names. And they're very, very easy to track because it's quite an unusual surname. It doesn't seem to get too many very insight. So I've adopted them. And I've got another couple of admins who are actually labels running it. So what you can do is you can set stuff up and then as soon as interested, you can pull them in and train them up and move on. So there's cascade learning going on. There's peer-to-peer learning going on. It's working really quickly and we are actually learning from each other. So if you are actually taking on DNA as part of your toolkit, you will be contributing your information and your expertise to the whole pool. It's very exciting to see how it's moving so quickly now. So what I've done is I've done the Foundry Finder. I've also done Ancestry because I've got my trim on Ancestry although it's private. And I've done the internal DNA with Foundry DNA. Now I'm not going to talk about the new DNA because it's actually on a different platform and for the purposes of family research you're going to get frustrated very quickly with it but you can upload your raw DNA to them without a collaborator. I'll do a wonderful job of matching it. I'll come back to that later. So this is what you can do with one kid and no relatives. I still haven't got any relatives in my own matches. I'm still looking for them. My relatives are very difficult. So why do it? First of all, faggots. The lines I've done are researched back to 1870. And I've got the labels. I've got them all. I've got the births, the motion deaths. The people I've been working with you know, the people you talk to are really swag-loving. You keep emailing with different email addresses and you keep getting excited but you're doing something new. Those people we're testing they're popping up in my research and one of my fourth cousins is actually a friend now. We've come smack straight on to where we predict a real good thing and we've pulled in other kits and then you get some kits floating out and much better for you. And all of a sudden they're your relatives but all of a sudden you put them into your tree. So first thing I said, do it to confirm your own search. This is the big joke. Find the gaps that are so not provided is I was so proud of myself I don't read the tree. I don't follow the name. When I got married I lost interest and all my matches were good name. So if you've got daughters you descended from a couple and then you're descending from one of the sons the daughters marry. They only keep that surname for a generation. Their children then have a new surname and unless you follow those surnames through you lose them and these are the people you will match to. Brickwall ancestry is fabulous. Definitely. All of a sudden groups of people will pop up together and you will have some areas new areas for research which will hopefully tie into where you're working. In Ireland you have to do it. You have to do it. If you've got Irish lines you have to do it because the documentation it's like I think that you are at where and the cork is who you know and where it is, we know who our books floating about when you were there in 1990 where the announcement mattered. So if you're doing research with poor areas for documentation you'll be picking up cousins in the US or in Australia who have the family stories who brought the records over with them who know what they're looking at. Research and female lives I've just talked about. So new skills I've cracked a brick wall not with records but by using the skills that I'm using to research my DNA matches. First of all you get a new set of people to work with so it's not good old suit I keep talking to in the novel because Brady keeps saying have you got so and so and I'll just say no. So you've got new people to talk to and they are related to you always about it, you are related to them whether you like it or not. You're using new data sets I've found my New Zealand family who I've been told had all died out so I had a lovely time working at New Zealand and also I've been working in the US as well but I've thrilled to get to my New Zealand if only then contact with my New Zealand writers. Learning new research fields how to apply the information you've got and some of you have to make sense of it try and version you will hear a lot about that over the next couple of days and also as well you're working on a very tight set of information so it's making you use new skills it's making you be strategic it's making you analyse things what you're working on do I need to find the tree? I'm preaching to the client here you might have that lovely tree that's in the field where it's still there now when I go home I don't know but that's up there now you can see where we've got a really nice branch on the left working a lot working with seven cousins and the rest of it is all up at the top this will be ambulance to you when you get your DNA results back because most of your matches will be from 1870 down which means that your living cousins will be in your third cousin second cousin, first cousin so what you need is a little Christmas tree so you need to be doing while you're waiting for your results to arrive you need to be finding out what happened to those second cousins and moved away they've got on the 10 pound pound boat you need to be looking for them because they're guys who are turning up in your matches database and you are a clue that they are so if you do that work I've got a lovely time working through all my leading cousins my third cousins they seem to have a very interesting compensative but hospitality in different areas I don't know how many people have got hotels and restaurants but they're all there it's just fascinating just looking what they're up to so you do need a Christmas tree you've got to go back and get your own tree start with your first cousins and I sort of know who they are I'm going to see the track of the first cousins around children and see if you've got a 10 year old and they're interested and they're testing they're going to come up in your match and if it's one of your daughters your female cousins children you've got to know what the surnames are otherwise you won't know who they are so I'm going to quickly go through the test for family research only family research and nothing else there are lots of the ways you can use your DNA so the first one is the one that everybody knows about and this is the maternal descent father to son I call this the pocket watch inheritance right? so I die in my son and I will give you my pocket watch and I will it's only the men the men give it to the men women we just buy stuff although you won't be amazed at how many women are actually handling wine projects so it's a sex chromosome it's a white chromosome there is an Adam family tree the human family tree takes you back to one of those amazingly warm room people and it will fit you on that if you go on that and there's men only what does it cost for America to get it it costs $169 this is all in US dollars because if you're ordering it from family tree it's in US dollars and then you do the conversion when you pay for it so you pay million dollars $169 to $359 and then what you do then is you get the kit match the set batch having a very gambling look at all the surnames that you match you shouldn't match and then fine tune and go back to your wine project manager and say like how can I test again to get a result get lucky and then get present straight away some people don't but there are opportunities then for fine-tuning your wine research and it's ongoing we're actually building the wine trees and the wine world project is hardly started on it I'm fighting this ahead if you're really interested in what wine can do look at the Macawasi my DNA project now do these road streets houses ahead but everybody else look at the potential for that so fine-tuning there is another database held in the US by Ancestry and we keep asking them to let us have a look at it but we're still waiting but there is another database very much old and it's a very very low level so what I say is following your surname or your male line if you want to file to someone to a surname or clan database fine-tuning results join your hacker group so when you get here what your results you will get a hacker group and that's great, look at it just stick it in Google and see what your ancestors are doing where they come from and then join I'd say join as many projects as you can and then don't be precious because we need your information if you put one more kit in one project if you put it in 20 projects 20 people will get the benefit of it and also you can take one in Ireland it's fabulous, not a lot of work on this and also the four more sisters the DNA is matching to very very early records it's fabulous and then what you can do if your kit is floating it doesn't really belong to anybody uploading to my search but you'll get a link on that on your family search when you get your results so that's the one everybody knows about this is the one that is going to get the most results for you as a family researcher potential results are all lines are all lines up to 7th generation my best matches have been at 1800 my 5th person matches because I have the records and 3 matches at 1800 that I can say yes I know what courage is because I have the records it wasn't noisy it was spot on so what does it cost and what can I get it what can I get it family tree DNA, family finder ancestry it's a safe test but it comes out of ancestry 2, 3 and me is more US based but they are people in Ireland who have tested with it and that also has a medical side to it so what can you do with the results you can have a look at your list your 2nd cousins who turn up or your 1st cousins if you're looking and email them and say hello I'm a new match who are you or you can then get hold of that person if they won't be in your bag and then find out who you both match so there's a little tool you can go go in and say match is in common and then you get a list of people who are related to you and that person and you go from that safe family line there are other tools available depending on where you go but that's where you start and then you can also take in raw data which is your results and you can basically put them about and put them into other databases so you go into ancestry and you've got your raw data you can go on and put it into family tree DNA but you want to get a certain level of matches and I'm a family's 5th cousins how funny is it if I'm here on 5th cousin but I lie either because the way my research is going I'm using 5th cousin trees to help me because I've got very few matches further down and closer to him so that's your all to so much 80 DNA family finder ancestry 2,3 and me right now freely, I love this one everybody else is and I love it this is the sex chromosome the Y chromosome it comes free with ancestry with family tree DNA and you get a little X by the side of your match this means that you are related to that person by a limited number of lines so it gives results on the X chromosomes the female chromosome and it's a blended inheritance so then you only get the mother's DNA which is fabulous for you because you can go down and get all your X's and part onto one side and say that's all on one side and it was all on the X that side so you can just split your results right women we've got a slightly more interesting path because we actually inherit from our fathers on the side and so on so being that we can access those records we can possibly access through normal units so all our female lines on our father's side now we are through X as I said family tree and ancestry and also if you put your click into gendarmes.com you get an X match there so what you do is you go online and you download an X tree family tree so it's a family tree format you can get it from another different method and then you fill in your tree as if you were just writing your family tree out as usual but then the X matches will pop off by color or by shape and then you'll know which one you're looking for and you can do this without using the DNA you can just do it the way it's useful and it also you use it to confirm A, D, T and A matches and found a line so you can actually try and I've actually got I don't know how many did I've got an email from somebody who said we match you and it was in a US database that I won't get into but I found I matched her on an X but I think that's a gen match so I thought I'll have a go and I found her she was a sister of one of my grandmothers and it was a marriage that I had but I had nothing for her to back but it was her sister and that was through X just working through the trees going back to the tree and looking at the match and DNA now this is the one that everybody gets confused with and that's why I'm kept it separate this is a separate test this test the mother's inheritance this is the inheritance from the mother's mother's mind it puts you on the migration fabulous the human migration tree through the women so initially 7 7 half of the roots are identified mines for you too and the migration out of Africa the women the humans travel through but these are the women who had children who had children so obviously some women didn't have children and those signs died out men you get your X from your mother but you can't pass it on that's its own through the women it costs 79 to 199 the only people doing it are family tree DNA that's fine and what can you do with it this is proving very very useful if you're doing discrete community research so if you're looking at small communities or if you're actually looking at your own family fabulous family research if you plot your mother's side using the token DNA you can actually get you get what you need to get small clusters of specific profiles and we've got the Swedish presentation tomorrow information just come out they've found some new mothers in Egypt and they've tested the DNA they tested it with the microchondria microchondria is also shall we say it's being considered as being a factor in breast cancer if that's in your family story you might want to look at where that family tree is and what it's doing so when you get your back I've got line back and I can't do anything with it because it is too rare okay you join a half a group project and so what I'm doing is I'm leaving a group this is the group that I had who are living in the same area as my family in 1790 so I'm hoping to fix something that way it is so rare isn't anybody, my names matches are actually in Poland I'm fascinated with I mean it's just something that is going to fascinate me now forever because I need to know why this rural community in the middle of nowhere has got this very very rare DNA so you can follow your daughter with your back and what I'm doing is I'm going to be uploading my raw DNA to the specialist database called Preservation and I've got the family tree to go with it after you go you can have that in the future I'm going to throw that in a minute and right so the downside identity and privacy you will have people contacting you about birth searches you will have my clique is attached to a lot of errant fathers and I feel like putting a big side and saying I am really sorry I've nothing to do with me you will have those your kit belongs to you your results belong to you but you will have to read a small print before you send your kid off to find out where it is stored and where it goes and then we'll try and get you to sign for all sorts NPE non paternal or non parental problems so you might find you might find your kit hearing off in a very strange direction I've got six pages of go away matches I've got account for I've got four pages of Scottish matches I've got account for they're not on the tree they're nowhere near the tree and they're close so I don't know what the girls rule to anyway so you will have stuff that you can't account for you have to follow it this is yours you can't disown them that line because they're actually yours you have to take part you have to email people you have to message people you have to send your kids around you have to take part people will not come to you telling that now they'll not come to you you have to pester and anybody that emails you about make a friend for life of them and keep up that conversation you've got to a stamina I know for no certain matches when I first got my kids back I got one certain match and I didn't want to get back to them you have to it's a long haul and you have to be patient should you rely on other people's research and then the cost it's an investment so the next thing and we're really really on you have to set goals before we start what do I want to find out you have to be very very clear about what you want to learn and then you choose the kids it's expensive you have to choose the kid that matches your goal you have to make questions this is not a little parish register this is a set of answers you've got to answer the right questions you will get the answers why is my family in Galway in 1880 why are they there what's happening in Galway in 1880 that my family is still there they should be more renovated get what I said back to that tree and then ask around you might have found you've got some second cousin over in Australia whose son is quite interested and looks tested and you know the annual London Christmas is mentioned in here find out if anybody else is tested because they will come up and if they do my testing it might make sense to me to start with a why because you've got people in that interface and then the other thing is strategic questioning family testing to establish all locations of family origin back to tree find out who the people who come on there if you've got a cousin who is slightly interested or a great anti-neurial who wouldn't mind being tested then go to them and get them tested and then you've actually got a common attitude when that kid comes back you know who you're looking at and then as I said before I'm going to be testing clandestine and that people will come if it's a plan gathering or a surname gathering they'll be interested and what I'm finding is what I call them you will hopefully have somebody who's turning up in your group who is related to everybody oh yeah I've got them for too much and we've also got four tree so these people you cherish them you send them Christmas cards you know take them out for a drink these people have got the information that you need they've got the benchmark for your group they've got the tree they know who the people are and they've also tested sticky kits, love them, I wish I had one and then that's the last page be strategic clarify what you're doing review your tree decide what first information to attach to your tree network network network network anybody you think might slightly interested in your DNA send it to them and then treat your DNA matches as a repository you visit it you don't spend the day there you take the questions, you visit it and try to get the answers and then contact people and keep an open mind thank you very much one more introduction to now we have a time for a couple of questions so has anybody got a question for Agri, we have them here in the front thank you for the memory that was a very interesting talk when I asked you a question perhaps one stage back from where you were actually talking about identifying matches if you haven't got matches how do you identify targets potentially tests and how do you persuade them to test and who do you get to pay for right, if you do remember click first and then you know what you look like then decide I didn't have a very good time on my own I was after my court because I wanted to find out I have a lot to record city but I don't know where they are before that so I wanted to find out and I had a few options so what I need to design then plug them along to anybody I need to record and put the word out you need to just network throw it out into the internet if you're looking for family you've got to be careful the other thing I didn't say was you may decide not to test because of your family background but you can bet your bottom dollar there's a second customer who's tested and somebody will be contacting your family it is that the genie is out of the bottle now people in your family will be getting contacted at the basic level or further back who do you get to pay for it the clubs are very important the clubs of Ireland are just coming on board with this now the clubs especially if you've got people in America in the US who've got a club name they're very interested because they want to get back here they want to get back to the mooks they want to get back to working my club from in Ireland which branch am I on and is there money in it and am I on the world line basically so there will be funding coming out if you can start it off money will come but just start with your own kids start with what you're interested in if you are interested in your serve name start with that I wish you'd got nothing to mention to play with probably years anyway so thank you thank you thank you hello hello yeah T-D-N-A do you need to ask Kaz do you have any questions here I feel the best we've got the M-T-D-N-A I can talk tomorrow, if you need tomorrow and can I throw you all to here I've not had time to talk about the core of Ireland due to the projects again that's my day Susan Vereta She's been going round Westport last year and she's been an MTD in Estonia, just for Westpool, so it is now. It's plus the focus, that's when Katie talks. That's after the test. Okay. On my MTD, there's a number that comes up after on some of the referrals. What was it that was zero? I think he said it was so genetic that it wasn't. I'm a team of the bunches. I'm, yeah, I'm a team of the bunches. I'm a team of the bunches. It probably needs an exact match. You've got to zero, because there's no difference between you and that person. So you're an exact match or an important match. Email, email. I'm going to work my way up and explore other questions that I'm hearing from the team all over the United States. It sounds really bad, but how can I do something about it? I've been plotting, I guess, the actions that I can. You say there's a tool to display and extract books to present. Yeah, if you go on to Google, you might have to turn to Google X Fully Tree. You'll get a format, you'll get several formats, the interests of a lot of them. Just download it and then just write a puncture into it. You're the coolest, you can write a puncture into it. And then you'll get a set of names from you through the Rx matches that you're living in. And I'm just doing one for the manual if you want to do the manual. And if it's only about seven generations, which is what you need to put up for the ATV&A. Is that any help? Other questions from Marie? Great, okay. Well, we'll call it a day there, but thanks very much, Henry, for your talk. It's very, very interesting to have this introduction to DNA and it's a perfect start to the day. So thank you very much, Henry Poplick.