 And what's the stain here on your top here behind you? What are you hiding? I had a quarter chook for lunch and I spilled the juice on my jacket. You're building something pretty cool. Can you just show us? Yeah, come down the back and we can show you. All right, so I've just taken my bike out of the car and I'm here on Hampton Street. My local bike shop Hampton Cycles is just up there and essentially what I wanted to do today was I'm taking my bike in for its first service up to 12 months of use. I know it's fairly overdue but when this bike was built 12 months ago by Darcy who works at Hampton Cycles he was telling me that you're going to be super surprised about the quality of Shimano 105 gearing. You see previously I've had Ultegra and Durace never 105 before and I have been super surprised about 105. Not only its durability but also I've used it for racing. I think it's super high quality so I'm kind of questioning would you even bother with Ultegra or with Durace given the price point. So I'm going to drop my bike in the Hampton Cycles right now and Darcy is going to walk us through the differences between 105, Ultegra and Durace. Now if you have just landed on this channel this is where I do cycling videos both inspirational and entertaining with some deep dive road cycling product reviews which is what this pretty much is right now. So if that sounds up your alley consider subscribing below. Can we get Daymo on film? It doesn't like he's going to duck. Where is it? Can I zoom in here? There he is. So I'm here with Darcy and Darcy built my bike just over 12 months ago. Just dropped it in for its first service. But before Darcy was building bikes he was actually a pretty good road bike racer. In fact I remember about five six years ago tour of the southwest. I was just an old bloke trying to have a crack and b-grade and you not only did you tell me up you tout everyone up you're some new up-and-comer and then you ended up going Conti racing. Who did you race with? I raced with African Wildlife Safari so Conti with those guys and then I was Continental with Gano Quebeca in Canada. How did you find racing over there? Yeah it was different. I was a little bit sort of getting towards the end and I had a cutoff period so that was sort of my make or break here for me. I like the way you did it though you just sort of said I'm gonna go over give it a crack if it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't. That was the thing so for me I didn't want to get too old and I don't have money in my pocket. So the point is though that you've raced road bikes quite a fair bit and now you've built them and just over 12 months ago you built mine with 105 previously I'd ridden Ultegra and Durea it's never 105 and you said to me you're going to be surprised about the quality of 105 and I've been super surprised so I want to go through all of those groupsets if you can walk us through them but why is 105 so good it comes at a price point of it's 200 grams heavier than Ultegra and it comes at a price point of around about 900 to 1,000 retail so it's the best price point groupset but what makes it such a good group set? I guess the fact that for anyone that is starting in in the racing scene it is quite a durable groupset when you first enter into the racing scene or road riding scene you probably are going to have a few thrills and spills no doubt about it so in that point it is a little bit cheaper to replace parts and all that kind of stuff you said to me I've got a few parts to replace after 12 months of use yeah so you know it is it is very much a groupset that you can put on you can thrash it go on to millions of k's on it if you want and you're going to get quite a few years out of it as well price to replace like changing assets is a lot cheaper to race and you can race on it you can race on it there's there's no issue with it a lot of guys and I probably should have done I should have had a training bike which I would have either had Ultegra or 105 on just for that reliability of going out day to day and riding on a 105 or Ultegra groupset so yeah and you said earlier as well there's like a trickle down approach that Shimano has yeah so from the earlier duros group sets that slowly trickles down into your Ultegra and then your 105 group sets in the coming years they're starting to do it a little bit more with the the newer duros so the Ultegra is very similar to the new duros and even the new 105 is actually very similar to duros and and Ultegra as well yeah so does that mean the 105 today is perhaps the duros of five years ago yeah fair to say so obviously there's more research and development goes into the higher end and then your 105 and Ultegra is sort of bit of an afterthought I guess in a sense would be my opinion of it so the shifting and the braking performance on the 105 how do you rate that I rate it to be a little bit clunkier it does stay tuned for a longer period of time I've sort of found but again you sort of a training bike I don't know I don't really 100 look after a training bike as such if you sort of get what I mean whereas like a full duros group set yeah you're gonna want to maintain that 100% because that's that's where you're paying decent bucks for a really good quality group set and you don't want it to lapse into that unmaintained business going to Ultegra so the jump from 105 to Ultegra it's about 200 grams less in weight and it retails in Australia for around 1500 so it's about five or 600 more than 105 in terms of quality how much better is Ultegra than 105 well it is lighter as you just mentioned so it's about 200 grams lighter so those guys that are you know wanting to progress from their first race bike or their first road bike into a better group set then that's what Ultegra is there to cater for it's still very durable as well not as durable as your 105 but more durable than your Durace so it's sort of it's 100 that middle group set that you know guys want decent shifting but they still want super good reliability and they want to you know have more affordable higher-end race equipment on their bikes and what's a braking performance like in comparison to the 105s on the Ultegra is it much better if you I wouldn't say there'd be much there between your rims in your discs there's obviously going to be a fair advantage just in the lever activation the Hydro 105 disc brake levers are quite big and bulky whereas you look at your Ultegra group set in your Hydro compared to your Durace and they're quite similar in the hoods in the way the shifters feel and actually activate as well yeah yeah across your three group sets with your rim obviously your brakes get lighter did they wear a little bit more on the higher rim? Brakes really don't tend to wear out like your pivot points and that sort of thing they're always going to stay very similar on brakes the only thing you might truth through more is more brake pads maybe you're doing more k's on it maybe you're running carbon wheels so your brake pads will deteriorate a little bit quicker than than what rubber ones will for your rim alloy rim braking surface but yeah I wouldn't really go into brake performance across your you know your mechanicals or yeah rim brake wheels I would say it's more when it comes into your Hydro across your three group sets you're going to notice a bigger performance for sure yeah yeah okay cool and then so Durace is a big step up in price so it's 1500 for Ultegra it's Shimano Australia I know this doesn't come from Hampton Cycles this has come from I think they need to lift their game recommended retail price please it's all over the place when I look online but the Durace is uh 3000 to 33 that I'm seeing which is a which is about a 1500 plus increase in price which is massive I notice weight it's 300 grams less than Ultegra and 500 grams less than 105 so that's pretty significant how do you find sort of the shifting and overall performance of the Durace yeah so between your 105 and your Durace models your shifting is a lot lighter you've stripped 500 grams out of some quite small parts on a bike when you really strip back and think about it yeah so they've stripped obviously 500 grams out of there we'll go on this one they've stripped 500 grams out of your shifters your front and rear deraillers your cranks and your brakes as well which is pretty big when that's probably the second biggest part on your bike when you're sort of thinking about it from a riding perspective riding perspective you're going to feel it from hills you're going to feel it when you're riding down a straight bit of road and you want to go click click click click you're going to have amazing shifting um yeah it's just Durace for me working here uh working in the bike shop racing on it I'm probably always going to have a Durace group set on one of my bikes at least yeah um it's just that much better from your 105 yeah it's a little bit more fiddly and it's a little bit more maintenance upkeep on it but for me it's definitely a group set of choice out of the three and that's why it's a pinnacle what's the disadvantages would that be replacing parts or parts are a little bit more expensive but it sort of comes down to how well maintain you keep your bike if you wash your bike after every ride um you're getting all the sand and grit and stuff off beach road out of your chains and cassettes it's going to last a lot longer it's not going to last as long as your 105 obviously because your 105 is made out of heavier material but if you're chasing weight gains um for racing or your climbing ball ball or your targeting around the bay in a day um you know 500 grams you pick that up in a bowl of ice it's a fair bit of weight got him this is where the bike building magic happens out the back here at Hampton Cycles there's Brooke having a truck how are you mate how are you camp good what have you got here i've got a specialized the verge mate which i'm putting together very nice it's a gravel bike it is a gravel bike yes okay the gravel bike's going here at Hampton Cycles absolutely love a good gravel bike um yeah it's a growing sector it is it's huge should get on board camp if you have time it's time and what have we got here uh so this is a new Venge so for a very special customer of ours um super nice guy so yeah he's uh he's changed he's out so he's got vatoria courses on this one um there is tire of choice which is you know he loves it um he's got 56 tooth chain ring on this bad boy um so that's praxis um so praxis they're a they're a parts manufacturer um so yeah they do bottom brackets and chain rings and all kinds of different bits and pieces um and then yeah he's gone full duro di2 hydro on this one as well so yeah so yeah there's tom jones in the background there just come back from overseas racing you're going to do a video with a slider about that mate yeah right yeah nice that's a beautiful bike all right well thanks for time Darcy much more excited all right we'll catch you in the next video