 Hi Nice to see you. We are at ID Tech Show 2018 in Berlin, and we are at the booth of first graphene So guys tell me what is the story of your company? Well, we We start with the highest grade Graphite content possible, right 97% grade vain graphite from Sri Lankan And we process it through our graphene cell Technology for a very gentle way of converting it into high-quality malt graphene so lowest cost bulk best quality and We're turning that into commercial products at the moment And so is this your core advantage the fact that you are vertically integrated and you have access to high-quality precursor. Yeah, the best grade Gives us the lowest cost and that flows through to everything else that we're doing Pretty great commercial advantage So what is the scale of your graphene operation today? Currently if we were to operate the maximum capacity three shifts, right we could do 90 tons per annum On a one shift basis is 25 tons per annum So It's quite significant in the world of graphene. It's a lot of graphene And so we know graphene has all these wonderful properties But what are the key core markets that you guys are focusing on? What are the key applications? so We're very focused on some some of the high-volume markets. So we've got some novel flame retardant products that we have so we were actually formulating a flame-resistant coating for timber which is a significant market in Australia and North America. So that's one area other areas include concrete additives we're adding our graphene to concrete to improve increase the tensile and compressive strength of strength of concrete and obviously we're also looking at conductive Additives in in inks and coatings. We've also have a program with a university on plastics. We're looking at Improved properties in plastics using our graphene and then the nice thing about first graphene is we also have some downstream investments in technologies such as Supercapacitors which are based on graphene oxide materials So, you know graphene never exists in isolation. You're always competing with another material Maybe different form of carbon. So maybe let's just focus on two target applications. These flame retardant Material and your supercapacitors. How do you differentiate from other non graphene materials that are out there? Well, if you look at the flame retardancy market at the moment, that's really interesting It's it's in a difficult place right now because many of the very excellent performing Flame retardant materials have been banned in Europe and in North America So the industry is looking for alternatives. The alternatives have to be non-toxic environmentally friendly. What we've shown with our fire retardancy material is that you can you can use graphene as a flame retardant additive and This is also being covered recently in the timber trader News magazine, which is obviously focused on timber industry But the advantage of graphene is it's not Falling foul of those changes in the in the regulatory status So this is an industry that needs a solution and we believe graphene offers that solution Right and what about some of the how do you address some of the other challenges in the industry? For example the cost of production Maybe your purity helps, but is there anything else you do and also Success has typically been associated with going a little bit closer to the customer Putting it into an ink or into a master badge. So what is your strategy there? Well? We're getting a lot of our technologies from universities, right? But the challenge is to get it out of universities scale and up and get into industry So we're doing a lot of interface with industry industry organizations We need to lead them down the graphene path Every customer will have slightly different requirements. It's different finishes different Functionalization, so we have to get close to those industries and Design something that suits them. It's very much Our one of our key focuses at the moment I see and so let's fast forward five years. Where do you imagine your company? To be and also where do you imagine graphene as an industry to be? That's a big question So let's let's take graphene in his industry. I think graphene as an industry is still very much in the nearly phases We are seeing some successes in commercialization with graphene for example graphene inks There's a strong push by the graphene Manufacturing companies to move downstream and make those applications happen I think that will continue and then we'll start to see Graphene materials being adopted in larger bulk markets such as plastics and concrete and construction materials I think that is when we'll start to see a real Growth in the value of graphene and the volumes of graphene that are being manufactured From a first graphene point of view Obviously as warwick said earlier, we have this advantage of the very high quality graphite The other advantage we have is we go from that all which comes out of the ground as you saw earlier as a lump of pure carbon And we have a one-step exfoliation process which delivers graphene products Which we can then sort and finish into a range of different graphene materials, which will be suitable for conductive inks fire it on and see Plastic additives so I would expect to see first graphing with a portfolio of Graphene products and graphene based products that are targeting those different industries in in five years Excellent. Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you. Kasia. Good to talk to you. Thank you