 All right, welcome to This Week in Cloud Native. So today we have a special occasion, all right? This show is actually gonna be in Spanish. So I'm gonna do a quick intro here to tell all the non-Spanish speakers what we're gonna be all about. Feel free to ask any questions in English and I'll translate. So just a couple of housekeeping items, right? Every week we're gonna bring you a new set of presenters on this show, right? It's gonna be every Wednesday at 3 p.m. Eastern time. So do subscribe to our Twitch stream, right? This is an official CNCF stream. So please make sure that as you chat, this is subject to the CNCF code of conduct, right? So do not add anything to the chat or questions that would be in violation of that code. Basically, be nice, be respectful to everybody. Now, today we have two very special guests. We have Fatima Elias and Raul Flamenco. They are the ones that organized the Kubernetes community in El Salvador. Now we're gonna switch to Spanish, okay? We have two very special guests. We have Fatima Elias and Raul Flamenco, who are the organizers of the Kubernetes community in El Salvador. So a pleasure to have you here, Fatima Raul. Please introduce yourself. Fatima, if you'd like to start. Yes, a pleasure, Leonardo. I'm Fatima Elias, third-year student of business engineering in El Salvador. And I had the opportunity to be sitting with you in communication with Cloud Native in El Salvador. Nice to meet you. Thank you very much, Fatima. Raul, how are you? My name is Raul Flamenco. I'm the founder of Acopula Networks in California. I'm a Salvadoran with 41 years in the United States. I'm also one of the organizers of Cloud Native in El Salvador. It was one of the organizations that has approximately only four months. But even so, I'd like to invite you to the next meeting, which will be on Wednesday, 24th, at 10 in the morning. We'll discuss the issue of how to ensure that the payments are paid. Okay, fantastic. Well, what we want to talk about today, which tells us a little bit, is maybe we'll start by... Where did the idea of Kubernetes Community in El Salvador originate? Tell us, how did this initiative come about? Fatima, can you allow me to... Sure, Raul. Well, this started in November of 2019. The Cloud Native Computer Foundation has a annual meeting that takes place in Europe and takes place in the United States as well. And sometimes in Asia. It happened in China, for example. Well, in November, it happened in San Diego. And I attracted 12,000 developers from all over the world. So, one of the personal questions I made was from where all the contributors come for these open source projects. And the answer was fast. And it indicates that most of them are from North America, from the United States in particular, from Europe and from Asia. When we say Asia, about 17% come from India. So, the question is, why not Latin America? Why not Central America? Why not El Salvador? Well, it might be because I was born in that place. And if someone comes in later, I'll be able to share the story. I'll do it. Okay, fantastic. Fatima, tell me something. What was your experience through the organization of the Kubernetes Community Day? Tell me a little about your experience. Okay, the truth is, I think that through the whole process, it was able to capture quite a few university students. Which was what caught my attention the most because, well, I really include myself as a university student. We have very few times access to these opportunities. And we have the idea that these opportunities can only be found outside of the country. And right now, with all of this pandemic, this idea has changed a little bit because we can only connect through remote means, right? So, really, we have realized with the Kubernetes Community Day that the preparation, the knowledge that even you are sharing with us, is truly within our reach. And that was what caught my attention the most from the whole process, that the university students were interested in. Even when we contacted the universities, they were the ones who participated the most, the ones who were more involved, the ones who were more aware of the trend to be able to participate in this event. Sure. And tell me something. If it hadn't been for the pandemic, if it had been for the Kubernetes Community Day, and for the virtual, if it hadn't been for COVID, do you think it would have been possible to take the event to the end? Was it COVID and that it was all remote? Was it a facilitator? I can share with you how that theme came about. For example, when we started dealing with the theme, one of the other organizers, Mauricio Quevedo, he was the first person in El Salvador with whom I got in touch. And the plan was, according to us, to have a meeting every day in a hotel. So we needed to set up a whole theme of how to fund capital to be able to finance the project and sponsors. And we worked on the theme in such a way, including with several organizations. But it turns out that as soon as the pandemic was gone, the theme began to change automatically. In such a way that, yes, in CF, we are, as the first organization, which they have tried to do this, virtually, it's like they said, they tried with us, right? So, because suddenly the situation happened. But I think it helped us a lot, because thinking that we would have a budget of $100,000, doing it with almost zero, has been an opportunity that the pandemic has not given us. And I guess it also allowed the audience to be much more broad, because obviously, when you do it in place, the amount of people who can participate is very limited. Where did the participants come from? Well, look, there are two figures. I also want to give credit to Victor Morales, he lives in Mexico, and is now in California. And then, that was the second person that joined the team. Only three of us started working on that. So, the idea of Victor, that he introduced, was good. From my experience, I worked on the theme of OpenStack in Mexico, and it took us four years to get to this place. It will be possible that we need a community to be able to do this reality. So, the community was born. The community has grown to 220 members. Some of them, in their majority, have been written, have attended an event, but there is a large number of them who have attended up to seven different events. So, there is a lot of interest. The number that was written for the community's community in January 30th was 275, which could only attend 146. We had talks, for example, about techniques, and what we have heard about technical talks has clearly told us that the information was above their heads, but that they were going to continue to deal with it. And the other one, with the idea that I think was the most important, was to bring a group of young people who are working, who are collaborators in Cloud Native, but they are native speakers from Latin America. For example, from Peru, we had people from Peru, from Spain, from El Salvador, from Costa Rica, and from Guatemala, even from Mexico. So, I think that maybe was the most important thing to learn. What is what people are looking for? How are we going to incorporate that? Okay. Fatima, what did you think of the assistance? Tell me, what did you expect? Did you overcome your expectations? What did you expect? Yes, I did overcome my expectations, because, as I mentioned, we are not used to having these kinds of opportunities, and when they introduced us, all the universities started to sign up, and I really expected a little less participation, but I overcome the expectations that we even had with Raúl, and we really started at a slow pace, but then we really continued with that pace, but suddenly that changed, and we began to receive a lot of subscriptions in the last few days prior to the event. And what media did you use to promote it, apart from the universities? Did you support it on social media? Yes, on social media, Facebook, Instagram, direct messages, even to the universities. Okay. And what do you think, by giving talks, sometimes it's a bit difficult to generate a connection with the people when they do it through a virtual platform. Do you think you managed to establish a good link with all the participants? Until now, trust me, what we have learned is that, for example, we have the option, the baby platform, the one we used, that was another topic, because many people thought they were going to use Zoom, because it would be the most common thing, but otherwise we went through the baby, because this baby is through the Linux Foundation. So it seems that the platform gives us the opportunity to reach a group, to give a follow-up to the conversation. People have also had the opportunity, immediately when you get to the site and you sign up for the event, you also have the opportunity to send a email, if you want, you also have the opportunity to send an email when you visit Cloud Native El Salvador. So those emails allow us to give a follow-up. We have also established a mail account, which is Cloud Native El Salvador, at gmail.com, and we have also shared the videos on YouTube through that account, so that all the people can see it, which is also in Spanish. Okay, fantastic. And tell me something. Well, I didn't introduce myself, for those who are listening to us. My name is Leonardo Murillo and I am the organizer of the CNCF Community at Costa Rica. Being a community organizer, what advice would you give me, for example, or any other Latino who is interested in taking an initiative of this type, in organizing a community community in their region? Sure, I think the most important thing to start with is to let the members of the community see how they can benefit from that community, what they can receive, being part of it, and we have focused on the opportunities to tell them that they can receive preparation, contact opportunities, with people from abroad, opportunities, even, right now, from Pasantías. We are going to be at 24, giving a talk about Pasantías, opportunity of Pasantías remunerated, and that, that they see how they can have some benefit when they are part of this community. What do you think, Robert? Look, I think one of the things I thought about at the beginning is that if I want to go fast, I have to do this alone, but if I want to go far, I have to do it with many people. We have the number of people, volunteers who participated in this event, who wanted this event in reality, it was 18. That without counting the individuals who are members of the other organizations who supported us, like, for example, SuperAte. SuperAte is a project that started in El Salvador many years ago, in which they have a program where they take young people in the Bachillerato in the year 10, 11 and 12, and these young people are compromised at three daily hours during the school year to concentrate on three themes. One of them is technology, the other one is English, and the other is the values. I personally had the opportunity in 2018 to visit the project and see young people who are in the 10th, 11th and 12th grade and also what they have graduated from. And then those young people shared with us that one of the things of much more value for them was the values, okay? So, there are several people in that group who helped us promote the event with the graduates. The program is also helping us with another group called Class Winner in Azure, okay? So, how do I tell you? I think it takes a lot of people to come back to the topic to make this reality, right? So, the topic begins to gain interest little by little. It would be very nice to be able to, in the next year, have 10 people who have completed a course through CNCF and can share this story. That would be, you know, a great opportunity, right? And that's what motivates us to move forward. Sure. And now, you touched on an important topic, Raul, and language. Many of the talks that I had the pleasure and honor to give a talk in the community were in Spanish. Something that I have noticed is that there is a gap, quite a gap in the content available in English and the content available in Spanish, even in the context of people who are willing to give a talk, for example. What do you think is indispensable, the language, for an event like this to be successful, especially thinking about the students' audience that was so representative? Of course, we decided that most of the talks were in Spanish to go little by little. That's what we talked about with Raul. Going to start introducing the topics in Spanish, since we also know that the difficulty of some topics was a bit, as Raul said, high for the expectations that the assistants had. And, well, they really want to learn, but it's still difficult to learn complicated topics for them along with the language, right? So we prefer to learn them in Spanish and then incorporate English with the topics. Sure. What do you think, Raul? Do you think that the coverage in Spanish was satisfactory? Yes, I mean, I remember the debates that we had in the meetings when we were organizing this, because we thought about the options that if the platform had a translation, that we would have people who would translate and all that. And, well, we all participated in different conferences when that happened, right? But, okay, let's go back to the idea that we had zero budget, right? We didn't have a budget of where... And we wanted, as he says, the important thing. I think the approach that we gave to the project was like entrepreneurship, right? In entrepreneurship, we have to know that we have to launch. We have to do something. We have to translate. We have to see what it is that works and learn from that. So what we have learned with this topic is that we need, as he says, to treat. We invite, for example, a speaker completely in English and I remember that the group, in total, almost felt completely opposed to the idea, right? So we said, I took the place of saying, let's try to see what happens, right? This guy joined us at the meeting at 6 and a half in the morning in India to be able to share with us, right? This is someone who has completed a course through Science Chef, also Google Summer of Code and shared his experience, right? So, although it was in English, I imagine that someone said, I'm going to do that too, right? Mm-hmm, of course. Okay. And now let's talk a little bit about the community. Tell us a little bit about what are the initiatives that the community of El Salvador has and you know, Raul, that at a Latin American level, we are working a lot together to raise the capacity and to focus on the region, right? In El Salvador, in particular, what initiatives are coming forward and what is the best way for other people to join the community and participate? What do I want to answer, Fatima or Raul? Yes, of course. I can start by commenting that on February 24th, we're going to have a chat about the remunerated pastries. There's going to be a person, a girl sharing with us, she already completed a pastry and she's going to give us her experience and we're going to give the steps that people need to follow, the specifications, so that they can also join these pastries, so that they can complete them from the experience she had. Okay, fantastic. And what is the best way for that link that you're seeing down there? By the way, it's precisely this event that we're talking about for those of you who don't have much context, the Linux Foundation and CNCF have a pastry program where there are mentors and mentees that even receive some economic remuneration to learn about these technologies. So that link that you can see down there leads you to where you can learn more about this initiative. Now, let's talk a little bit about the community in El Salvador. From the event, or even at the Latin American level, what are the remaining effects, that is, after the community community day? What effects have you seen in the community? Have you seen an increase in activity? Have you seen any prolonged effect that has been left behind in the event? Yes, well, I can share with you again that we're going to go back to the topic of the participant's number, right? We have, it's supposed to be 220 members, but there's a number of them. Flavio, I think, has attended more than one meeting, four to seven of them, right? So that indicates that there's an interest, right? An interest in moving forward. I think we're using the model, more or less, as we know in the United States, that it ends up having at least one meeting a month, right? So far, the topics have emerged, as someone who says something, as someone who says, if we could compare the topic in terms of demand and demand and supply, they've been more than all supply, right? We're with someone who says, contributing to those topics, but demand is going to emerge when more people, like Fatima, are part of the group and start asking questions, right? What are the things that I want to learn? For example, the first thing that comes to mind is that we have to be able to love, to be able to do this, to be part of this group. No, it's not true. Many times, just write and read is enough, okay? There's an opportunity for everyone. Even the Cloud Native Computer Foundation has more than 800 companies as members. The largest companies in the world, like Facebook, like Google, like Amazon, and it also has more than 200 startups, right? That are at different levels in capacity on their way. So there's a great opportunity for people to be able to incorporate the vision of the community as a contribution. What contribution? That the community of El Salvador can contribute to the community of CNCF that has 103,000 developers, okay? Or contributors, okay? So there's a great opportunity. It was a great opportunity to get together, right? To start making friends, to start asking questions, to start looking for opportunities, and the next year we'll see the difference. Of course, of course. And let's talk about that next year. Does the community of El Salvador or you, Raul, thinking a little bit about Latin America, too, what do you consider to be the next step? Another community day in another country, a wider event in several countries, what do you consider to be the next, the progression of this initiative? And there are going to be several, because the topic is changing. Like, for example, I think we need to try, for example, the topic of Kubernetes, right? Kubernetes is the most dominant project of CNCF. CNCF is like the house where these projects live. And then, CNCF started, one of the things I would like to try to infuse is that every topic starts small, okay? Do you remember the number I was sharing? That 275 people subscribed to Kubernetes? Well, when CNCF started, the first meeting that was in Canada, there were 500, 500 people, okay? Do you remember that I also told you that in 2019, there were 12,000? Well, last year, in 2012, there were 22,000, okay? So, but everything starts small, right? So, the next step for us, I'm not sure we're going to have more Kubernetes community day, because it seems that the organization of CNCF is interested in expanding the topic of other projects too. There are like 80 projects that already exist. Now, the other important thing, I think it's up to now, and thanks for the question, Nardo, because you're part of that too, and you know it very well. The philosophy so far, from the point of view of technological products, I think the idea is, we're going to create products and we're going to sell them in Latin America, okay? Many times, without taking into account the differences that exist in each of the countries, it's very easy to think, I'm going to sell this product in Latin America, okay? And launch it with the reach of all Latin America, without thinking about each one of the countries. Not only that, but there are other topics like, for example, how people who are going to use these products participate in designing these products, okay? So, of course, a company can be very interested in only selling the product in Latin America. But how can we take the opinion of the consumer, the person who is going to use this? The topic is changing a lot worldwide. So, we also wanted to share that feeling with the community, which is the Millenials, as well as Fatima, they are already programmed to play that theme, okay? So, that makes it much easier for them to get into the conversation. Sure, and thinking a little about those generations, without Millenials, we talked about I think in Latin America, both the community as such, as the industry, what you are saying, the products that are going to be integrated in the new economic ecosystem of the region, they are a little reset in terms of what all these technologies are referring to, and it is precisely the opportunity that we have to raise the skills and to agile all these initiatives. A lot at that time revolves around students. Fatima, I think you were in contact with universities and educational centers, I don't know. What is the answer to the chain in Latin America, at least what you all knew about all these technologies? Do you know that they can be members of the CNCF in the academic context? What do you know so much about the academy of this theme that we are talking about? Sure, really, at the beginning, it was very difficult to get to them due to the same thing that they didn't know, this type of technologies, in fact, in our country it is very little common to find opportunities like that, right? So they were, like, in front of something new, and because they didn't know, they weren't part of the activities, but then they contacted them, they explained to them, and after that they also joined different master's courses, career coordinators, to contact them, to the students, to invite them, even, well, at least in my university, also, orientators, psychologists, they invited us, and they, well, it was like, that everyone was giving this information, it was a great invitation, and, well, the truth is, above all, we received participation from certain specific universities that have very technical and well-related careers, and I think that was the most important thing. And in what countries did you have contact with universities? Are they Salvadorans or did they extend to other countries in Latin America? Right now, it's only the Salvadorans, we've reached 11 different universities, because one thing that maybe, you know, thinking about the region, because it's another thing that maybe the rest of the world needs to know, is that one of the things that affects a lot the condition of attracting money or investments to the region is the perception that exists in the region, right? And then, one of the things that I would like to share is that that has changed in a very, very fast way, okay? So, we hope that not only does this happen from the point of view of the Salvador, but also from Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, all over Central America. Yes, I'll tell you a very nice story, it turns out that the community of Guatemala, the Science and Chapter of Guatemala, yesterday, precisely, organized an event for students from a university in Caragüense, in which I also had the opportunity to chat. And the retroalimentation that we received from the same students was, we want connection with other universities. Hopefully, they were present here, students from Costa Rica, from other countries, and that seemed super positive to me. It seems to me that it shows a lot of the value, precisely, of the community. And as, even, the community comes to fill those gaps of knowledge that maybe the academy and the institutions organized by learning have not reached, let's say. So, it seems to me very, very, very nice. Okay, let's think a little bit again in the community day event. When you decided on a theme for the event, which we now realize as learning, which was a little raised for the audience, how much did you debate the level of the theme, or how difficult was it to get people to talk in the event, let's say? How complicated was that? Tell us. Go ahead. Well, the truth is, Raul was supervising that part more, right? But if I made a comment, like another passer-by who was helping us, Felipe, about the level of the talk, right? Our proposal was to make talks that really could attract the community, but that at the same time, I mean, we had a talk, which Raul mentioned, which was in English, and I feel that if some people made me the comment later, Fátima is super cool, very interesting, but I felt lost at some points. And I think that some people felt that the community was not for them. So, if... What do you mean by that? Like, for their level of... Exactly, they felt that the community was not for them, that it was for a more advanced level, that they didn't handle it. So, we tried to adapt the level to their reach. That's what we always had in mind. We even commented on the speakers, the panelists, that they always remembered the audience to whom they were directing. Okay. Yes, it's a common theme, that people consider that to enter the world of contribution in open source, and in these topics, it's about being an expert and getting to know it all. Yes, that's the initial idea. Of course, and something I've learned is that the community is very open. How did you experience the opening, for example, of the CNCF, before this initiative? How would you interpret the position of the CNCF before the opening of Latin America? Look, I can tell you how I saw you from the first conversation I had with Dan, right? Dan was the executive director of the CNCF. He died in November of last year. But during that first conversation, he immediately informed me that this program, the community is a new program, that had been born in 2019. And I immediately told him, why don't we do this in El Salvador? And then he told me, hey, let's do it, and when it happens, I'm going to go to El Salvador. That's the plan, because Dan was one of the people who liked to travel around the world. He liked to travel around the world. So he had traveled for many parts, but he never was in El Salvador. So that was part of the element of emotion, of being able to do this in reality, of being able to invite the community to come here. But as I told you, the rest of the people inside the CNCF have constantly supported us. They have been able to give us the tools, like for example, Bevy, right? At first, they chose to connect to those communities that existed through Miraf, right? So we learned, in a minute, the issue of not having a Miraf yet, a Miraf account, we could go directly to Bevy, right? Which made it much easier for us. So it's like who says, CNCF has been in our hands constantly with us to help us do this in reality, right? Okay, fantastic. And let's see, how much... Well, how much have you had with other communities? We have already talked about that with Costa Rica we have this link, what we are working together, with what other communities in Latin America have made contact? As a community? I think that would still be the next step, right? Why? Because we are very new, right? So we are talking about the Kubernetes community that happened on January 30, right? And we are in February, so they are things that are going to occur, I think, in the community, step by step. I personally, as an individual, I know very well the effort that Sergio has made in Guatemala. He has attended several of his meetings, okay? And at the same time, working with you, Leonardo, because there is also a Costa Rica community, I will learn, I think there is a community in Panama, in Colombia, right? And step by step, I imagine that there will also be a community in Honduras, right? So we already have a Guatemala, there is a Costa Rica, in Panama, in Colombia, I imagine that there will be one in Nicaragua, and there will be another in Honduras. Look, one of the things that I have noticed has been that living in the United States for a long time, the United States has a large number of Spaniards, right? So, for example, I can just tell you the community I live in, okay? The county has 400,000 people who live in this county, right? 20% of those people are Spaniards, okay? So, one of the things that I see, that I have noticed since I was young, that they were born here, right? If they wanted to keep the language, not only the language, but to know a little more about our culture, about their roots, right? But it is difficult for them because they have no reason for why, okay? And at the same time, full of my experience in El Salvador, what I experienced is that when, even, if they ask you to take a class of English, if you don't have a reason to do it, you ignore it, right? You leave it last, and it turns out that it is not so effective, okay? In which English can have doors, right? I can tell you from my experience that when you arrive in the United States, you don't even know a word, a word of English. So, it is quite difficult, right? How to start? So, it seems that there is something that can be established between these young people, right? In El Salvador, in Honduras, in Nicaragua, Costa Rica, that they want to find that connection with the rest of the world, and the people who are also in the United States to be able to establish a relationship, you know? Of course, of course. I'm going to answer a couple of things here that are being asked by the chat that seems valuable to me. José Rodríguez tells us that there are a lot of comments. If you go to community.CNCF.IO that I'm going to ask you to put it here in the video community.CNCF.IO there and you go to Central of South America. You're going to see a lot of communities there in Brazil, there in Chile, there in El Salvador, there in Costa Rica and part of what we are working on is that they are not exclusive, obviously. All Latinos are open to share. They are communities in Spanish. So there you have a lot of people going to community.CNCF.IO Now, Modulosh asks us what previous knowledge you must have to apply to a pasantía. Do you know those details? I can share that because what I said was the following. I don't know if we can share the link where the information is. It would be ideal. There are 15 projects that exist. Okay? These 15 projects, at least the date has already been for which I came. But it comes from the summer and what happens is that they are projects. They are projects that have different responsibilities. There is even one that is called to do interviews to customers. To the people who use Kubernetes. So where do you need technical skills? But it could also be an opportunity to learn. Because it will be with mentors that maybe can show a path that you had not even thought it was possible to start learning something new. And here is an important issue that I think is worth highlighting. Among the initiatives that we have in the Latin community is also to find, because we are a lot of Latinos who are doing important things in the world of open source. So looking for Latinos who are also available to participate as mentors in these types of initiatives. Because there is also a lot of opportunity to support us. There is also the link of the mentorship event. I am going to give you a second to pass the Linux Foundation so you can see the details. The Twitch channel that Maria José Torres asks us about LinkedIn is cloudnative.tv and hopefully everyone go to cloudnative.tv and subscribe. All Wednesdays we have three streams Eastern Time. It would be great if you join. Ok Let's go. Tell us, Raul. Leonardo, I would like to add something more to the topic that you mentioned about the number of people in Latin America involved in the community of CNCF. There are many. And one of the things that I may have have been able to observe is that sometimes it gives us pain to share. Why? Because it can be that in our culture there is something that says if I do this people will perceive me as I want to show off. I want to I want to I want to I want to I want to How do you say that, Raul? Well, we say we want to throw the towel. Yes, well and for example one of the things we wanted to try was to make a channel that we had in January 30 of several people in Latin America who are contributing to the community and if you have the time to see that presentation you will realize that they have reached a different path and little by little we will start to get out of the closet. Yes, totally agree and that's how it should be. I will tell you something interesting that the other day I was talking with Tracy Reagan because we were talking about Latin America and she told me that the Latinos are very difficult to find and I found a very interesting comment and to the conclusion that we reached is that it revolves around the skills of networking that we have like we have to learn to establish more contact, establish more network a wider network and in a certain way also have the clear notion that we are the same, I explain that I think it has something to do with the fact that we are too big so that one participates more because it comes in a much smaller context so realize that as Latinos we are the same and we are all human beings and we all have the same strengths and weaknesses and the same vulnerabilities and it's a matter of raising our hand and if we raise our hand we will pay attention and that's how important I will tell you now at the end of February and I warned you we are going to have a new podcast called Clownary of Latino and the idea of Clownary of Latino is to talk with Latinos that they have opened their way in the world of Clownary of open source to realize that we are all the same that we have common origins and that together we can ok Raul and Fatima, we are in time. What else do you want to tell us with what you would like to tell us about this conversation? I would like to share that one of the reasons we started doing this was the following if people in El Salvador Guatemala and Honduras are exposed to walking from San Salvador to Los Angeles to find opportunities we have opportunities for you opportunities exist in Central America the growth is not going to come from the United States the growth is going to come from Central America ok so do you want to be part of that growth? one of the things we have learned is that things can take place there are key cases of companies such as Hugo in El Salvador there are companies like Rapi in Colombia who are using this technology to grow their businesses so the same need exists in other countries in terms of big systems for education for health for the government they can adapt in any of our countries so if you want to be close to your family and want to have better opportunities join the community of Claude Neyres El Salvador, Costa Rica and Guatemala and Panama and the next one is going to be from Honduras and we are going to do this without a doubt thank you very much Robert Fátima do you want to share something? to expand the invitation below you can find the link with which you can join and have access to all these opportunities as Raul says from the comfort of your homes ok, fantastic Raul Fátima, thank you very much for participating today I'm really glad to see so much energy and initiative Latin American we have a huge potential and I know that together with all of you who joined us thank you for listening don't forget to subscribe to the Twitch channel every Wednesday at 3 pm next week we have Fluent talking about streaming so we hope to see you every week, thank you for being here with us and that's all thank you very much thank you thank you Fátima