 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the final word. Back being Rovers 3, Everton 0. What a... What a farce from beginning to end for this whole thing. I was at the game, you were watching via a very, very dodgy stream. I was trying to watch, yes, I think I ended up on all kinds of strange streams and stuff, just trying to get the footage, but I got enough to know that we were extremely poor. Well, I just read out the statements. I wasn't just on my phone, I was getting the statements. Everton Football Club would like to apologise for all the issues with the live stream of Thursday evening's pre-season for ending against Blackburn and unprecedented power outage at the club's production partner, ADI.TV, meant the viewers were unable to watch some of the match at Ewood Park. ADI.TV Chief Operating Officer James Robbins had said, ADI.TV has worked with Everton Football to deliver streaming video services since live matches were first shown on the club's website. Unfortunately, during Thursday evening's pre-season game, there was a major power issue at the facilities in the north-west, which affected the delivery of the match against Blackburn. We apologise to the club and all the fans watching. We will work with the club to ensure that doesn't affect any future live services. Whilst the events were out of the club's control, we fully understand the frustration of supporters and recognise that the level of service is below that which our fans expect. So no mention of refunds there for people who paid for the game last night, but there you go, there it is. You didn't miss much in the bitch you missed. No, and to be honest, I managed to get most of it because as I said, unfortunately, as the club stream that people paid for was unavailable, fans had to try and find it elsewhere. And yeah, it was dog something mate. We started with the squad team. So that was a bit seeing that, but I think what that says is that Saturday against Wren will be more of a fresher test and they will put everything into it. But that first half was abysmal, was absolutely abysmal. It was the worst half of football we've seen in all pre-season. It was the worst half fall I've seen for a while. The whole team just looked so unprepared for the game, so unsure of their own job, so unsure of the person next to them's job. And listen, you know, I know it's pre-season, I know it's pre-season and you shouldn't get worried, but this is the person who's been saying for the last three years we have terrible pre-seasons and look what happens. So you've got to look at it and say, can you see something in that? Now with that set of players, I could see very little from a point of view of what Marco Silva wants from them. Completely. I think all those players that played last night, as you said, the squad players that are trying their hardest to get noticed and get their foot in the door kind of thing with the first team didn't do themselves any favours whatsoever. As you said, it was like they just turned up and gone, oh, the first team coaches hasn't turned up, so you lads are just going to have to go on and play. And that's what it looked like, didn't it? The defence on the whole team. It was just nothing. Can you imagine ever putting that back five out in a proper game? I woke up in a cold sweat thinking about it and I was like, oh, it was only pre-season, but it still happened then. I mean the game was what? The game was, I don't know, ages ago, right? And I think Ashley Williams is still turning. He probably is, isn't he? He's got to go, mate. I think, I mean, I said to you off air earlier and we had different opinions on this, but I was thinking why the hell have we let Phunas Morrigo? Because from what I've seen, from what I've seen, you know, I agree, I think he's not good enough. I agree with the sentiment of why would you keep one and wouldn't get rid of the other. I don't think they want Ashley Williams at the football club. Phunas Morrigo was just the right time and the right money and he wasn't wanted and it was a quick one. And listen, with that knee injury, you never know. Never know, listen, might have a glorious career and all the rest of it. I don't think they want Ashley Williams and I think that's been shown by years, obviously. But he had the captain's armbands, you know, like little things like that. Yeah, that's true. That's true, little things like that do wine fans up. And then you start thinking, well, why is he giving him the captain's armband? Because there were certain players on the pitch that you'd have given it ahead of him. And I know it's a pre-season, I know it's a way at Blackburn and you don't want to read too much into it, but there's just kind of mixed signals from all over the place. Yeah, I agree with you on that. There are things that I think football managers need to do straight away, but sometimes they leave them. I think that becomes a point in pre-season where things are to get finalised. So let's just say, for instance, like squad numbers, right? There'll be a point where, like obviously last night we've seen you say the captain's number 10 and that's going to be a squad number at Morgan Stardens number 18 now. And there's another one which I can't say on here. I don't know, but I can't say. But he hasn't got a squad number at the moment and someone else has left his, Morgan Stardens left a squad number. That's all I want to say. And so there's things like that which if you go on the website right now, right? You can't buy a signature number 10 shirt, right? Why? Why can't you do that? That seems like madness to me, but you can't. But you can still buy an 18 moment. He's not going to be 18. So if a kid goes and buys one now and his mum doesn't know which happens, then... Is the club then going to do the thing where they refund all the shares? Well, I think in the shop at the moment they're told not to print any shares with numbers on. But if you go online, you can. That's a completely different thing, right? But there were points in pre-season and probably the Valencia game where they'll confirm the squad numbers and they might confirm the captaincy as well. So at the moment it's all like... Yeah, give it to him. Give it to Ashley Williams where at some point they'll just go, well, no, you're not in my plans now. The captaincy might just go, shame is common. I don't think it will. I think it'll be Jags, but I think if Jags isn't playing, which at the moment... Well, up to last night he probably was playing, but now I don't know. So those things... Another thing I would have done as well is I would have gone to... I would have actually gone... Ashley Williams isn't number five anymore. Yeah. Meeting hall gate is. Yeah. Or... With Charleston isn't number seven because Bellassie's not going to be number seven anymore because he's not in my first team. I think when a manager comes in, you're going to make tough decisions, like I said before, like last season with Joe, Joe was number one. Pickford was going to be the number one goalkeeper. He was giving the number one shape. Makes sense. It tells everyone where they are. Yeah. It tells everyone where they stand. And I think... So I think that might happen next week with the captaincy. I'm open, so... But you're right. It sends me signals because... But you know, I don't know who else would have been captain. I mean, if you'd sent Tom Davies out again, that would have riled just as many people with the armband, so... Yeah. I suppose he is the senior pro out there, so I think just for that... Just for that half. But... But we were just a mess and... And... What I would say is that... I mean, we... You know, the team itself didn't... Couldn't pass a ball to itself, but I think they were saying to individuals we don't know, like in pre-season, who really let themselves down there. Mo Bessage is terrible. He was. Like he was really, really bad. Like he was over... Trying to overdo everything instead of just keeping it simple. And it felt like... Anything that... He'd done previously in the games. He'd just completely undone last night. Yeah, and... I felt the same. And it was a real shame to see that because I think he probably is the player that's done the most with his pre-season to kind of go, look, I deserve a chance in this team. And I really thought that it was heading that way and listened to a few interviews with him as well. Thought he's got the right attitude. This lad wants to have a career here. And I'm sure he still does, but that was a bad performance last night. And as you said, it was like he was trying to overdo it. I wonder if he's starting to think, right, we've only got two pre-season friendlies left after this. The other players are going to come in and I really need to make a point here. But actually he'd been kind of better just playing it a bit safer last night. A consistency through it. Because, you know, we've just seen Davey class and leave. So you're thinking, well, there's one gone. And you're thinking, the manager, it's a clean slate for all the players. But for someone like Mo Bessage, you're right, he's been getting better and better and better during the pre-season. And he does want to stay and you just think, listen, you've been all right, mate, just keep doing what you do. And I think he's been a lot better than the likes of Tom. I don't think Tom Davis has had a particular outstanding pre-season. But he's one of those players that you can sort of say, well, he's more of a first teamer. So Mo had gone himself up to that level and I just think for a lot of people, he eroded it last night. And of course, there will be other factors that the manager will know about that we won't know about. But I just thought he didn't do himself any favours last night. No, he didn't. I would say a crying shame, really, because he was one that I was looking to last night to sort of put in a really strong performance again, cementing further his chances of breaking through to the team. And he really kind of let himself down last night. As you said, there will be factors to that. It could be that he was playing with quite a weakened side and youthful side and everyone was just all over the place last night. It really was, as if they didn't expect to be, you know, as if it had just been sprung on them for the last minute. They had to go and play a game of football. It was quite bizarre to watch. This was the game, me and you had been speaking earlier in the Weep Ped about how now is the time we really wanted to see the first kind of as close to the start in 11 as we possibly can with the seasons just around the corner now. But it just wasn't like that and it felt like, for me anyway, I felt like we took a step backwards last night. The fans are unhappy again and... I think, I think, you know, I think last night they looked really tired. Yeah, what fit? See, yeah, but I... See, that's a fine line now because looking unfit can sometimes look like being really, really tired. Yeah. And really tired can look like being unfit. I'm going to go with really tired because I think the manager has been really pushing them. I spoke to one of the coaches before the game. I won't drop the name in, but he's got 6 for 4 and he's Scottish and he's boss. And he knows what my name is. I just love that. And he said he's been making them really, really hard. So I think using the elements of that last night, I think that he looked really jaded and I think that I imagine on Saturday he'll play the first team for as long as he can and then on Valencia he'll do exactly the same thing and I think that half was almost like for some of you this is your last chance. Yeah. Now, I don't know if Bessage falls into that character. But I know that you look at people like Morales who reverted back to Morales last night. Normal Morales service was resumed last night. Absolutely. He was really poor. And as I said, Tom Davis was really poor. I thought the ass looked offy and that's where I think the tiredness thing comes in. He just wasn't really off it last night. The whole of the back four, I mean, John Joe and Rob and some were trying to do what they could but you could see all the frailties in there. When you come across a team who have only got a week to lay season starts a very physical tough championship they looked right on it. They were like treating that like that was like that was their big test actually before the season started and they came through with flying colours so I think that was one of the big differences as well. They really wanted it, didn't they? And I know they're a week closer to starting their season but we can't put too much on that. That was their first team. They've just been promoted to the championship so I think playing it and even in a pre-season friendly and getting a result like that will be huge for them. And they played us off the park, didn't they? They really did. It looked like simple fashion as well back to front, really. It was easy for me and that third goal I know we'll go on to talk about the goals individually but I just was thinking had the ref blown his whistle because they just all just stopped it was so easy for him to just beat off like four defenders barge Jagie Elcroft the ball and slaughter I just thought what the hell am I watching here? And I'll be honest with you, you know I've got faith in Marco Silva I'm nowhere near the stupid cries of getting him out and daft things like that but it did start to homing on me the concerns about the defensive side of things because if we don't make some a few big signings at the back in the next two weeks we're in serious trouble mate with that defending that was terrifying, wasn't it? Not wrong, we look weak at the back you know all three goals were really really poor I mean you know the first one it's just a really bad hit it's a well-waked free kick no one's alive to the lad on the edge of the box from the corner, he floats one in and I don't know what the goalkeeper's doing and I don't know why there's no one on the back post they just head that away the second one, the lad stays on his feet a couple of I think Sandra Tide's taking him down the face but he's not commited to it and the lad is commited to it waltz us through the box and then if you look at it from the other side there's like four players just looking at the ball while there's a lad behind able to smash it in and then the third goal is the lad rides Keane's challenge and then Jax's challenge, that lad wanted it that was a pre-season game, he wanted that because he knows that it means something to him I think the game was typified actually by the tackle on Baines in the last minute it was a really bad tackle but I think that typified the game one of our players was going in for a 50-50 at like 20% whereas their lad was going in for it at 100% like really properly going in for it like as it almost seems to say you know who do you think you are come on here, we're up for this we want this because we're up for the season and that typified the game for me whereas we just seem to be strolling round whereas they were bossing it every 50-50 every show, the badge, every tackle they were winning it, every header they were winning it, they just seemed well for it and ours didn't and I think that typified the game that happens in pre-season friendlies of course especially when you're at different levels but I just thought that was the big issue they certainly had the desire to go on and win the game and they did it very comfortably in the end and yeah I think that was what was missing from our team I hope you're right in that it's fatigue and I think we have played quite a lot of games in quick succession that's pre-season for you, there's been so much chop and change, 45 minutes for most players that's bizarre so no one really knows where they're at and it did feel like they were just there to take part whereas Blackburn wanted to make a point and go we're here to do something in the championship this is evident, they had plenty of first team players play points in the game so they'll have seen that as a big result they fully deserved the 3-0 win in the end you could say that in the second half alone we could have scored 3 or 4 but again for chances you know you're finishing I think it was at 1-0 John Joe Kenny should have had a penalty he was bundled over in the box so that should have been a penalty we should have had a penalty in the second half as well when that was bundled over as well so those two definitely I thought he looked neat and tidy I thought he looked I thought he looked okay every time he got the ball he kept it really well I just thought for a player who hadn't had the pre-season and such and now he's only been out of the World Cup for like 2 or 3 weeks but I thought he looked okay probably should have scored as well it was a nice move for the ball back to him he should have played back to him it was behind him and I thought it really wasn't a very good ball but that was like 35 minutes in and that was our first shot on target so that said everything to me about we were just really poor we were just that team I just mentioned there the defence Williams and Pennington we just diet Pennington just sell him he's not good enough he's never gonna be good enough it's like we said the other day he's older than what people think he is he's 23-24 I think more that kind of age if I'm right he did and I think we were surprised to see he got a contract with the club in the first place it looked like he was gonna sign for Leeds it looks like it's gonna be too much for him it was hard to watch that defence last night mate it was really hard to watch he wanted to play he wants to push up he wants his full back to push up number one that takes two things you've got to be better in possession you've got to keep the ball you've always got to have options so that the opposition can't spring it but if they do spring it you've got to have pace at the back one of those centre backs has got to be fast got to be fast otherwise all it takes if you've got your full backs right up the pitch we've seen this a couple of times last night all it takes is the centre forward pulling off one of the centre backs and just a long diagonal and that's what we've seen three or four times and then that player does do that then that creates a gap in the middle and then someone can run through the middle so those two are just too slow I think both of them had to sell both of them this is the thing you've got to replace them exactly and it's getting someone to want to buy them as well as the clock's ticking well we've still got a bloody massive squad filled with quite a lot of shit and it's like we've got to unload a lot of that and we urgently need to sign well the thing about it is though if you were a the buyer right why would you be rushing look at Klassen he's gone for 12 million quid yeah which I'm happy with by the way but via the bremins I've bought them for half what we bought them for they could have bought them they could have bought them in another two weeks and probably paid a little bit less for them but they've blinked because maybe there's other interests they probably think a 12 million quid is actually good we can pay so Evan have got his wages off the books which is fine they've got 12 million they've lost money on them okay but if I was a buyer now I'd just be waiting for that and I'd just be like yeah just wait we'll get him for buttons and a few that's not good for Evan so Evan might then come to that club and go but we'll give you them for you know whatever because we want them gone because we want the wages so we can go on to our next bag so it is a big game of brinkmanship at the moment but no there's a lot of players there they were just I think last night some of them just looked like some of them resigned to the fact that they're not going to be at Evan or just can't can't play the way the manager wants to play which is it is as much of a problem as anything if you can't play the way the manager wants you to play it doesn't matter how good you are then you're not going to last yeah this is it if you don't fit that system then you're gone it's not going to work especially now with brands in as well and silver obviously of course he's the director of football this is how we're going to play and yeah if you don't fit it there's no space for you and you made a good point there about it looked like some of them were resigned to the fact that they know they're not going to be here and that could be a big factor they might have had a little word and sort of know they've been told look you know thank you for your time and effort but we are looking to move you on and there's that sort of defeatist kind of but even by being just in that second team almost you know you know what I mean with that he might have got to the point now where he might have thought well I might just be knocking on the door yeah and then he's in that team and it's like I'm not saying Mo wouldn't give as much as he does because I know he would I know what kind of players but that might have forced him then that might have gone oh I need to step it up again and then he starts doing trying to do things that he can't do yeah like a last gas like yeah you know he was doing like reverse passes I'm not seeing where they're going and it was helping the opposition breaking you thinking you are trying to but yeah we made we were tuning down we made changes that time now and changes Sando, Sando man he's like he's just he's like that what's he called that gorilla type he just sticks an arm doesn't he he's just like I know it's mad because obviously there's no Balasi there's no Luckman and there's no Wokot at the moment so he's having to play like every game but he's getting stronger I will say that at times he looks I think at times he looks good going forward I don't really like him when he goes back because I think he he tries to do things with the ball and it gets taken off him and and then the other team are like on the on the other way yeah and then but I think he's proven a point yeah to be a to be a squad player yeah definitely I think you know he's done a real job for ever and then he's delivery I've spoken about before I think his delivery is fantastic from set plays and we saw that at Malaga as well as three kicks and set pieces he was very strong from and his link up plays good he's quick he's putting shifts in which I'd like to see as well because we've said you know a lot was asked of whether he had the physicality for the Premier League and he's he's been taking he's been taking it hasn't he's been getting a few kicks and knocks and stuff in preseason but he does he's built he's got a good build through he's such a young lad as well and I think he's got something to offer the side if we can get him scoring goals though as well and then no he's not an out and out centre forward I know he's not like a Dominic Calvert there in the past like a Romelu or something where he's got that strength to hold up the ball and the height and stuff like that he is going to be one of those little link up players looking to make things happen but yeah I think he's done well and in this preseason he's certainly one that you'd look at as as probably a bright spark and as a safety could have just got a couple of goals then I think he's I think what he's done is he's I don't think he's set the world on fire by any means I don't think he's going I just got to play every but I think what he's done is he's he's he's dragged himself away from that like Davey class in area like there was those two were just like literally at the bottom I think he's dragged himself away from that now and people are starting to say well you know what he could do a job for us out on the right and and if he could add goals with them maybe there might be times when we could play more front if Toshin's not available Toshin's not available let's just say or whatever but he's definitely he's definitely got himself into that sort of level now and that's just through shit playing it playing a lot of games that's just through playing a lot of games and as you say looks he looks like he's really benefited from playing those games and I'm a preseason and finding a position that sort of works for him because I know this sounds stupid but some players if you put like he shouldn't have had the number nine for the start if you put a number nine on a player and you say you're our new centre forward and you're replacing Romelu Lukaku that puts a pressure on player that he simply doesn't need simply didn't need that where there's this somewhere there's been no pressure on him he's not up front so there's not even a pressure to score goals there's just a pressure to try and play well and try and create things and be part of the process and I think he's done that I think he can be a valuable squad in the next season definitely you're thinking that you know he's someone you're quite happy to see on the bench every game or even as you said if he did have to come in for Cenk or whoever else if he's going to play on the right if they're going to put in more central then then I'd be more than happy to see that we've seen enough of him we've seen more of him in this preseason than we have in 12 months which is quite bizarre and I think he's probably played more minutes than anybody else has he in this preseason you know so his fitness must be getting there as well because he's been playing an awful lot of minutes and against very different sides as well you know I think is he played against every team so you know I think he hasn't scored yet though he hasn't scored yet but yeah he's impressed in this preseason and that's a good thing because like you said he's not set the world on fire it's not like we've gone oh it's like getting a brand new signing it is like getting a brand new signing but a squad player not someone who's going to come in and you know be scoring goals week after week but yeah he's done well I think I think as it stands he'll be playing against Wolves because where's Wolcott where's Wolcott do you know what I mean he's not kicked a ball yet in Anger and that worries me that and I think I said it the other day that worries me that you know if he's not taking part in preseason then that I'm sure he's a naturally fit lad but you want him playing these games otherwise it's going to take him a month to get up to speed when the Premier League starts we've seen Siginton last year you know I mean I don't know I don't know if he's trained it's like radio silence isn't it we don't know whether he's trained and he's just not taking part in the games but it would be nice to get some you know update from the club just to see where he is and how long it's going to be and whatever because otherwise it's going to take him it's going to take him a little time and he's an important player and that you can make that up of course especially if you're a naturally fit person but it would be nice to know where he's at completely prepared I think it's starting to really panic me now actually it was like oh he's got an ankle injury he's missing a few games bit frustrating because you want as many minutes under his belt as possible in preseason especially when you take into account he's quite injury prone we want to see our first team you know he's definitely a first team player and he's very key in that front you know you think we've got with Charleston now sort of having war cut down the right as well and they can mix it up absolutely paramount to the way we're going to play and he's not kicked the ball and there's no sign of him that's the concerning thing a little statement from the club or anything on the website him like back in training yeah that's it that's when people start wagging because and they have done because we know on the other side of the pit there's another player injured that is an injured yeah Adam all alone is not injured he's not injured and this is why I don't know why I don't know why the lighter fans he's not injured the sooner the club realize that honesty is the best policy well be fair to ever football club all football clubs do with it because of Pandora's box won't you open it then but you know they don't have to tell us the ins and outs of everything you know but just but just a little update and you know when it's an out and out lie and people kind of go look no he's not injured just just give us something here or because we spoke about it again earlier when when we're not hearing anything off the club that's when this starts happening that's when it starts happening and I think what the club are gonna do is or what they're gonna try and do is no matter what gets said or whatever they just wait for that window to shut it's only it's only it's less than two weeks gonna mean it's less than two weeks that window shuts you ain't going anywhere if you want to soak you soak but you're soaking and you're not playing so yeah you soak you can say what you can soak now you can train every day you don't play because you're soaking so you're not playing that's your punishment and then in two weeks when that window shuts if we have a soldier what do you want to do do you want to get on with your career and act like this in this team or do you want to keep soaking yeah and then it's up to them isn't it and you want to see if Leipzig still want you in 12 months time or whatever you know most footballers you find that once that window shuts the soul can stop look at John stones soon as that window stopped it shut then and he had to play for us he was playing for us oh Mahrez as well oh I'm impressed I'm not playing because I wasn't allowed to leave even though I signed the contract and committed to this club a few weeks pass and he's thinking yeah actually if I do want to get my move which granted he has now he's gonna have to play and so he did he put his big boy trousers on and he I don't think he's got big boys and he played and like you know same to stones and always think credit to John stones because he did want to leave club said no and he did he did perform for us but that's what you've got to do and I particularly don't like seeing it from these young players no because I'm in the right exactly he hasn't in the right yet yes we got him from Charlton pay the decent amount of money for him I understand the way the club treated him last season I couldn't completely understand he was mismanaged terribly and you know every you know for credit to him for saying when our guys were saying no we want you to go to Derby you don't want to be going off to Germany took his crew into his own hands and said actually this is what I'm going to do he did that worked out pretty well for him but now you know after we can all hold our hands up and say look the lads been treated badly but brands has come in Silver's coming and they've made it so clear to him that he is a part of their plans and they want to keep him they've been saying it to the media they've been saying it to the press the fans what he knows how much the club want him here and he's still kind of and that's the first post I suppose that's probably I mean that's probably one of the reasons I'm gonna back here massively but that's one of the reasons they don't they don't they don't come out and say and all we want to leave or he's been he's been silly or whatever they just say it's an injury because then when they know that they understand that when if they are trying to keep them and they are going to keep them and then he comes back they don't have to make a big song about it they don't have to you don't have to get over that you said you wanted to leave let them go then you know I mean they don't have to do that but yeah we all know obviously but second half came on nine changes and and it got better straight away let's be honest you know we looked more of a team and getting loads more crosses in I mean Jake Tolson should have scored quite early on a brilliant ball by Baines and he headed it straight at the goalkeeper to save so we really should have got 100 charles in the other three which he should have scored as well we had chances as I say second half and then unfortunately they've got a third to make it look really convincing but the first team the second what I would say about the second half the first team looked tired as well they looked tired so that to me says I know those people go look unfit but I just think I think they looked really tired like you've been working them really hard I hope that's the case because wanting I'll say that probably the only positive that I'll say for when Ronald Koeman came in for the preseason is that the squad did look fitter I think the squad did look fitter and he did so much work fitness training with them before a ball even came into it whereas I know with Marco Silva he wants to get them playing straight away and we can do both ways though you can work players really hard they don't even realise they're working hard with the ball yeah well that's what I mean I hope you know and it could well be there's every chance that it is that he has been in like he said if a certain Scotsman had said he's been worked out I wouldn't like to question anything he's said these are the these are the these are the these are the miles you get under your belt you know what I mean these are you know these are these are where you put the tough miles in and it doesn't always look pretty you know what you know anyone who's ever trained for any kind of run you know it's all those horrible runs that you have to do that you know where you feel terrible and and you think you're never gonna do it and it's not you know your time to rubbish and then you get that big day where you're running the marathon of the 10k and suddenly you go yeah I feel great today this is the big one your mentality shifts and you go yeah and you put it in so hopefully these are the hard miles at the moment and okay listen it's not great I am the evertonian in me is worried about how bad we look at the back the evertonian in me is worried about that we don't seem to be able to beat it a bad dog you know what I mean in four friendly since erthings you know what I mean and that was against berry so that are part of me to think you know we need to sort that out so but it is pre-season these are the tough miles I've been at games where the week before I've sat on what's in Everton team and gone oh my god and then the week after you know I remember what was it we played porter in a pre-season game and it was the week before we played spares Ronald Cooman's first game and we looked absolutely shocking in the porter game and then the week after we looked great and then we went the week after and beat West Bromley had a great start to the season and it was almost like that switch and I'm just hoping that that's what it is at the moment it's just hard miles we're putting in and obviously we've got against saturday and then we've got a week then and then we've got another week then so so we'll let some of the charlots in for a moment what did you make of his performance mate I think he's brilliant I honestly know this is the thing because what obviously I know we've only seen like 45 minutes of him in play but what I saw in that game was the charlots and that I saw the start of the season for Watford and the player that I watched and went wow there's a he's a star he's playing like a star already I'm probably getting over too excited mate but I think he's playing like that's we're gonna call that video he's playing like a star already watch the watch twitter after that but no I think I think he came on and did really really well he's so confident he's always looking to make things happen I think he nearly scored that goal as well didn't need just that little like for me he was the plus of the game he was the positive and yeah it'll be interesting to see what he's like and of course I know he's had a lot of preseason with Watford he'd only had one train in session with the players I think or one day's training with the players there's that's a factor in yeah that's it exactly and I think you've got to look at what we've got in terms of potential and what he's going to bring to us this season I think he's so fast as well isn't he there was that ball that he chased down and he just had no no right to get anywhere near it and I think that's what we need so in terms of a very very very poor performance I think Recharlison making his debut playing pretty well I see I'm trying to I'm trying to pull it back now I'm trying to pull back my Recharlison my Recharlison fangirling here it's crossed to a Towson where he crossed it with the outside and he should have scored I think the defender, I haven't watched it back I think the defender might have had a little touch on it or just did enough to put Towson off but the ball was beautiful the way he just flipped it with the outside I suppose it was classy as anything now he was the plus he played he did play really well and we played better second half we made great, Ghana looked good straight back on it he looked really fit as well yeah he looked really fit he's just a lad who keeps himself fit he looked fit and suddenly you're seeing the difference having someone like him in there but you know we still need the back Seamus again up and down great and what I liked about when that incident happened with Banes he was really happy about it and you know what again make him the captain for God so he is the captain he's the captain of us fans once he can't not be captain well he can, he can not be captain by not being captain by not being captain there is always that but I think Silver's got to give it to him because Jags like you said he's been a great captain over the years in terms of he's such a professional you make decisions at the beginning that are your decisions you make decisions that leaves everyone in no doubt who's in charge you know whatever it is and I think none of us wants Jags to be playing next season and I mean that in the nicest possible way of course yeah he's still but it's worrying that he's probably still our best defender but none of us actually is sort of one in playing we want whatever you know we need better players and I just think that you look at both of those centre back partnership last night and you know Keane is no he's a nil poire for me I wanted to give him as many chances as I could and I find myself you know trying to be as positive as I can like I tried to be with a lot of play I mean some plays I'm not some people are just taking into the dislike too but there's a whole different set of rules for them but if I'm being honest I just don't I just don't think Keane has got the coping mechanisms to play for a club like Eren where the so where the grief gets passed down like you know the fume gets passed down like I just don't think he's up for like last night that should have been meeting Singh for him that you know that should have just been when that lad comes in and barges over he should just get on your way you know who you think you are it doesn't have the mentality from what I've seen to be able to cope with the pressures of playing in the Premier League or you know even in the pre-season friendlies as we've said it sort of against Barry he looked frightened then he looked frightened of Barry he looked frightened that's the word he looks scared he looks scared to make a mistake because he knows he's going to be criticised for making a mistake yeah he's overthinking even if he's got the ball at the back and you think there's a simple pass there you know pass it back to Jagd whoever you're on with get the ball out of your feet and he's just hesitant all the time and before you know run the pressure again or you know and the other thing that's got to get in the bin it's this zonal marking thing as well they won't ever get in the bin because you just the manager likes it and he'll just keep working on it you don't you won't be in it because at the end of the day he said that after the match this is something new you know you've got to take the whole thing into you know the manager's just coming he's been he's had them for what a month or so it's not going to change overnight and they've only brought in one player things like zonal marking are things that take time and there will be mistakes and there will be issues and they take time they take every day training on the training pitch every day taking on it and understanding who does what job till it's like you know if you're in a dance troupe right and you have a month still late and you have a month late in choreography it's not going to happen in a month it takes time things take time zonal marking is like choreography it's about knowing exactly what your job is and everyone's going to do it and if there's a weak link it's very obvious so you've got to remember that all over the pitch the way he wants to play is different from the way we played in the past and it's all going to take time it's not the thing about it is like it's not all geared for day one but on day one we've got to have a way of playing that can get as a result that's what the best teams do when they're not playing well they have a default setting and that default setting can get them results and that's what we've got to be like so let's hope through you know over time that happens it's God who hasn't it but you're right I've been saying all along we've got to be patient we've got to be patient we've got to give the new manager time and things I'm fully behind Silver of course but it does just start to get you worried I think that's the thing it's nervousness watching that game last night I'll be honest really what are you worried about defensive no what I mean is though if we've been sitting here last season we're talking about the new season my worry would have been I worry we won't get into the European places that would have been my worry last year so watch your worry now because I imagine a lot of Evertonians are thinking my worry is that we're going to have a relegation fight this season genuinely I think that's what people will be worried about when you look at performances and stuff like last night we've largely still got exactly the same squad that we've had yeah this is it I don't know I think as well with Marco Silver there is that thing about the defensive side of things but we've got to invest in this and we've got to accept that it's going to take time to progress it and get it the way we want it to get a couple of signings coming in would make us feel a lot better what I think we've seen so far is you know you heard this before hand you came in you heard a lot of people say that's what Roberto Martinez is there's nothing I've seen so far to tell me that is any like Roberto Martinez whatsoever defensively we've been poor because we've been poor it's not because of the shape or the style we play we just haven't competed we haven't won 50-50s okay Zonal Maren is something that will take time but Zonal Maren is not a new thing it's been around for a while see if you say to me Zonal Maren and go it's rubbish then I can say to you well if it's man Maren and a player gets a run on me he's got the same amount of chance of scoring as he has in Zonal Maren do you know what I mean it's like it's just because Zonal Maren has seen there's a new thing and man Maren's an old thing so we go well that must work where Zonal Maren has seen there's a new thing so you've got to get it right which takes time but if the manager believes in it you've got, that's all you can do that's all you can do to the point where you go well actually this isn't where you can hear the air but that's what happens when they get sacked but I think what we've got to demonstrate and I don't think we can demonstrate that we're actually playing games of football is that our base level performances are going to be good enough to get us get us points because in the first couple of months of the season we've got fixtures that are very winnable so we've got to get that so we can pick up points for those games and the team are getting better then that's great but if the base level is not good and we're not able to pick up points against average teams then that's where I think that's where people that's what people are worried about we've got a golden opportunity here haven't we? little plug for wolves there but we've got a golden opportunity and with this the opening fixtures that we've got we really could I can't think of them now off the top of my head but I think the first five or six you think we could be winning the majority of those but as you said if we've not got that base standard of and we're not capable of going into games and not conceding sloppy goals from set pieces and not putting the chances away and we miss out on that run then people are going to start getting frustrated and start worrying so for me as I keep saying it's just about getting that squad size down but also bringing in we only have to win 13 games we only have to win 13 games and this is the thing we all want to see us get off to a I think we're all just panicking over hopefully over nothing we haven't seen the first team play yet exactly and that's what we've got to remember we haven't played huge I know Sigurdsson got some minutes and garner last night but we still haven't even had Pickford back in we haven't seen a close to starting 11 as we can get play a full 90 together and that's the thing isn't it but it does and I think with everything that's gone on over the last few seasons there's so much nervous energy and it's as fans that it takes a little everyone's just terrified last season it's just put so many people in a state of just delaying my thing or whatever just confusion as Genesis said everyone's just worried you know but we've got to come from a position where we finished 8 last season and if we can and that was bad that was a lot of bad you know listen there's another game so let's go and get let's go and up it against them and let's hopefully get a win play better and score some goals as well please and not concede any let us know your thoughts in the comments thanks for watching toffy team big thanks for seeing us coming in again we'll see you later