 Laptop my brother pledge of allegiance was I pledge allegiance to the Republic I don't know the part where I'm trying to think party messed up. I'd say oh into the Republic for Richard Stans He thought it was for some guy named Richard Stans, and he could never figure who that was With liberty and mustard for all I Remember in Catholic school one of the kids thought it was Howard be thy name like Howard the name Howard be thy name I Just call him Howard Howard knows I love misunderstood lyrics and things like that like for example. What's the is a Manfred man? Wrapped up like a noose yes There's a totally different word for all of us for the longest time until you can read the lighter notes Or you don't know I mean this this whole thing has been going on for decades. No one still really knows When do you wrap up a deuce like that doesn't make sense either It's supposed to be deuce like a deuce coop like a hot rod We mean like like rev it up like rev it up you rev up the car a Revved up like a deuce revved up like a deuce. Okay, so I thought it was wrapped up Until this very moment This is too much for me Oh Was a previous DTNS I think maybe five months ago But I was talking about like how we use certain things like what we were talking about how we use certain iconography And people mean may disassociate it after a while because they're too they're from a generation that didn't use that phrase as much And I was pointing out the Sherman commercial Uses bears to advertise their toilet paper right probably because bears, you know in the woods It's like think about it the first commercial they have they're in the woods and the toilet paper is attached to the tree Yep. No, no, it was absolutely reference to that here. It's listen to this clip. It's an 80s song. It's from the cars Too much because we're on YouTube really fast. Here you go. I Used to think that was don't let nobody pick your bum Pick your bones pick your bum I swear it still says it. What is it? What is it actually? I don't actually know Doesn't matter just you know, keep your childhood alive Scott There every once in a while I can't think of any good Examples right now, but every once in a while, I'll hear a song that I've heard, you know, since I was a child and be like, oh That's what they're saying. I finally hear it. Yeah, this happens to me with like red hot chili peppers I never know what they're saying. All right, you guys ready for the show already. We are ready cool, I am going to play the Read and then go into the music and then you take it from there, Sarah. Sounds good All right, three two Do you enjoy hearing the tech news delivered by smart informed people me too learn more about how you can support this show at Daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, May 16 Tom Merritt is on vacation, but from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane. Well like city Scott how the heck are you? I'm pretty good. I miss Tom though Don't you miss Tom a little bit of kind of miss Tom? I miss Tom a lot It's not easy filling the shoes of mr. Tom Merritts. No, but thankfully, you know We have a really good DTS group with with all of you and our community as well and also producer Roger Chang Without whom I would die Roger. Hello coming over on the east side of LA It's good. I actually have to say it's warmed up a little bit a little bit not a lot But a little bit. Yeah, you know, we have Roger and I were talking before the show. It's been Cold ish for this time of year in LA, but hey, you know, don't have to run your AC So how about that? All right, let's get into a few tech things you should know This is the patent war that will never end Apple wants one billion dollars from Samsung in damages from a very long-running patent infringement Disputes where Samsung has already been found to have infringed on three of Apple's smartphone design patents and two Utility patents and a retrial to determine what Samsung actually owes Apple Samsung Astures To decrease that amount to 28 million. Why do decrease? That's a lot lower than one billion, but good luck Yeah, Twitter is giving developers more time to adjust to its new API platform account activity After developers said the original API set to be Deprecated on June 19th would force them to stop their services This bummed out a whole lot of people and a whole lot of users the new data for those deprecated APIs or the new date Rather is Wednesday August 16th 2018. It's not really that much more time You're getting like an extra couple of months. So tweetbot Twitter if it call you guys. Is that enough for you? Is it yeah? I mean we talked the other day about fave star saying we just won't continue our business We don't have any idea what Twitter is doing right now, but I don't use fave star regularly I do use tweetbots and I would like it to continue. Yep The Trump administration has eliminated the White House's cyber coordinator role that was created during the Obama presidency According to an email sent to National Security Council staffers Tuesday and obtained by Politico This is in an effort to streamline authority The cyber coordinator led a team that worked with agencies to unify strategies on election security and digital deterrence Hmm, you know what I'll just say this about that real fast It seems like an important job, but maybe we don't know a lot about what they were doing. So I Don't know I'd like to know what this administration's plans are for cyber security Generally speaking and if they can consolidate and have other people do it great But I'd love to know what that strategy is because I think it's important. Yeah, I mean in corporate culture all the time There are certain roles that are introduced and sometimes we're like Actually didn't need that the rest of us can just do it on our own. So Hard to say but that's the news. Let's talk a little bit more about Investigations into Facebook a guardian investigation in conjunction with the Danish Broadcasting Corporation reports that Facebook allows advertisers to target users if it they if it thinks they're interested in subjects such as sexual preference Islam Liberalism among others now, this is important because religion and sexuality and political beliefs explicitly are Marked as sensitive information under new data protection laws GDPR going into effect on May 25th So we're what just a little bit over a week out sensitive categories now require special conditions Around how they can be collected and processed some of those include preventative or occupational medicine or to protect the vital interest of the data subject or if the data subject has given explicit consent So the fact that this is happening now doesn't necessarily mean that Facebook is doing anything wrong But sounds like they're gonna have to figure out their policies pretty soon. Yeah I mean, this is just another example of in this case the Danish Broadcasting Corporation They're the ones telling us about it but this is just another case of other standards Changing and those standards changing will tell Facebook what's cool or what isn't I'm sure Facebook will comply. They're in a position right now if they don't they look real bad And it's gonna hurt them more than it has although their stocks weigh up So I don't know if anything's really hurting them, but But this doesn't surprise me I mean, this is what's gonna happen different countries are gonna make different laws And they're gonna get real serious about what privacy means and the services are at the center of that whole Conversation then those services Facebook and others have to figure out how they're gonna react to that in some cases That may hurt their bottom line because the data they need to share or give will no longer be collectible Or they'll have to have explicit permission from the user I think that is all part of the evolution of this and 100% fine and in the end Probably better for all of us That Facebook is sort of forced to be a little more fluid with this and not call the shots and and and let people municipalities governments Make those decisions not Facebook. Yeah, I mean as we report on this pretty much every day It seems it can be pretty convoluted But I feel like in general having more information whether or not people are going to take advantage of the information at least if It's available and we know a little bit more about how this stuff works in the background is a good thing for all of us I agree speaking of the availability son is V Sony rather is Vita handheld gaming system I went right over there. I can't reach or I pull it up and show you We'll see physical production of games stop now. That's not The device the games themselves. They will no longer make Physical additions that and these came as a small little custom almost like SD cards But it was a Sony Sony design type cards They're not gonna make those anymore But they will continue digital distribution from here on out the American and European branch of the company told developers It plans to end Vita game car production by the end of 2018 at least 2018 fiscal which closes on March 31st 2019 Sony spokesman confirmed that production is ending in an email to kataku There's been a little bit of freak out from the gaming press which always happens not much so so actually the kataku article is pretty level-headed, but What this is what we're seeing happening is what happens to every device and every console and every gaming platform eventually the Vita is now getting pretty old It's not the spring chicken It used to be and certainly isn't the in any sort of leadership position when it comes to portable gaming The idea that they would stop physical production of games is a significant significant thing But one would probably argue and they haven't given us numbers to confirm or deny this But one would argue that digital distribution has done nothing but grow and that device has benefited from that as storage has gotten cheaper So none of this is very surprising. This happens kind of across the board as a comparison Nintendo Refuses to let the 3ds platform died despite the fact that the switch is a big success and is rather portable itself But yet they're still releasing new games. They just have new announcements of new games We're expected to see things at E3 They're specific for the 3ds platform and they have no plans to slow physical production So you'll be able to buy those games in stores But that's because on the Nintendo side people are still buying them the physical Right, like I mean if so, you know if people were buying a lot of physical, you know Vita cartridges They probably wouldn't you know stop production. They're doing it because it doesn't make sense for them anymore That's exactly right. This is a sign that they are slowing sales of At least their games if not their device probably their device to like I would expect in the next couple of years Maybe even less for them to come out and say oh and also we're gonna now stop production on The Vita all entirely that's again, not that unusual for its lifespan all consoles go through this the Xbox 360 sees production the PlayStation is usually really goes along as they can but eventually they sees production on Devices when new things come out so it's not that shocking or weird But it does speak to the the potential end date We may have for that for that device and I while I had it while it was good. I like to Vita It was cool. It had a nice place in my gaming library If I'm honest though, I haven't touched that thing in probably a year So maybe time to move on to something else Well speaking of moving on whole foods Which is now owned by Amazon launched a loyalty program that offers special discounts to Amazon Prime customers Including 10% off some hundreds of sale items and rotating weekly specials Those discounts are available now in Florida at least at Whole Foods stores in Florida And then Amazon says it'll roll out to all other stores starting this summer Now I shop at Whole Foods like three times a week So hopefully something that I buy a lot will be 10% off now Amazon previously announced free two-hour delivery from Whole Foods stores for Prime members So they really want to push Prime Yeah, you know, that's a you know I mean besides the fact that Prime just up their annual fee not that much but you know by 20 bucks And the fact that you know, I'm already in the Whole Foods ecosystem. Maybe even more so than I am Amazon That's great. I mean if I can get discounts, that's great. Yeah after they made this purchase The question wasn't whether they would integrate the Amazon Systems for lack of a better term into how you would Interact with Whole Foods the delivery stuff how Prime would interact discounts all that sort of thing And eventually maybe like their Washington store where you can walk in get what you need and walk out and and just art sort of charged by the by the Lord computer All of that stuff's coming. It was all a matter of when so never once did I go? Oh, this will be like twitch where they buy it and then let twitch operate and function and have better funding so they can grow But really it's still that the twitch plan as a you know, Amazon can buy them They can buy audible they can buy these others they can add new features because they're Amazon But they're not really gonna take it over this feels like It was just a matter of time before we started hearing about how this is really the food Brick and mortar version of what Amazon is in general and this is a huge step toward that Which I was talking to somebody the other day about I don't know Amazon buying Whole Foods And she said don't you notice that they're just out of everything now because of Jeff Bezos and I'm like no I actually don't notice that however we did Report a story or at least I did on daily tech headlines over the last couple weeks that Amazon is launching its its own proprietary Dog food brands they have their own diaper brands. That's all you know via Amazon comm But I can see this replacing a lot of the whole sort of like Whole Foods 365 own brand in a lot of stores over time Yeah, like Costco I talked to a Costco executive years ago for a company thing I was doing for a company used to work for and I was like, why do you have your own water branded water? Chili branded toilet paper, which I think is a conflict of interest those two things If you're branding your own toilet paper, I mean you might be Creating a solution nobody asked for he told me says that biggest profit center in this place And I don't know if he was supposed to tell me that or if that's inside info I'm not saying his name, but he said that's where we make the most money I'm not surprised Amazon because it's the most reoccurring purchase, right? You're going to run out and you're always gonna need more and you're gonna order it regularly Yep, and they can get it cheap slap their name on it and boom and hopefully it'll be decent dog food Is really what I'm getting to yeah exactly AT&T's over the top streaming service direct TV now is rolling out its cloud DVR feature to iOS and TV OS Users after being in testing mode since last year. This has been a long time coming people were really sick of waiting Lots of complaints from people that I know but they must be happy today the true cloud DVR as its name will offer users 20 hours of free recording support for fast-forward and rewind and the ability to store shows for up to 30 days I want to say that's on par with PlayStation view, but I don't have that stat in front of me Yeah, I think you're right pretty close beta testers had up to 100 hours of recordings So they could test the thing AT&T says later this summer users can pay an extra 10 bucks per month For more if they want to do 100 hours of shows for up to 90 days you extend that 60 days It's all it's feels on par with everybody else's DVR offerings for their for their TV stuff UTV TV everybody else It just took him so long and I don't know why it took him so long, you know I'm one of those weird people who never had a DVR. I've never had a DVR like I don't You know like replay some cool basketball shot like I don't I just don't do that And I don't know what I'm missing because I never had one and you know You guys can fight me later feedback at daily tech news show calm But I don't have direct TV now, but I do have YouTube TV, which is similar at least in that sort of you know set-top box offering and I I don't know. I'm so used to the on-demand experience that I can't imagine The idea of having to save a show for 90 days on something locally It's just like I I skipped that whole thing. This is so me everything. You're saying is me I didn't ever have I never had a Tevo now only time I get a DVR is like oh this direct TV deal We got it has a DVR. It's just built in but I'd rarely use it Maybe I'd skip commercials if I started something late, but usually I'd be caught up and I'd have to watch them anyway But I never saved anything really for later. I think I think you and I are not that uncommon I think there are a lot of people at least now who are kind of in this Netflix when I want it Hulu and I want it, you know content when I want it kind of lifestyle and The idea of saving one of these that's weird like weird to me that I would even spend the time to even bother with it So I'm a hundred percent with you. I'm sure they're gonna be listeners who write in and go. Oh, no, no How wrong you are latest he knows the best thing ever and here's 50 reasons why and I I look forward to that feedback But as for me and sounds like Sarah, it's just not our bag Yeah, well, it's it's sort of like the DVR was this really cool thing that solved a problem with you know Cable right like the only options that you had at the time. We just have so many other options now I know that people love Organizing stuff their own way and and Scott and I are certainly not telling you to stop doing that But I would love to know yeah, who is going to take advantage of this and Especially who wants to pay $10 more per month to have a hundred hours? Rather than 20, you know, I Probably watch a lot of TV and that means you and I have something in common Sources tell Bloomberg that Microsoft is planning a line of lower-cost surface tablets as soon as the second half of 2018 seems to be a direct competitor to the iPad the new tablets are said to feature 10 inch screens instead of the 12 inch screens used on the Surface Pro and will include USB-C for the first time Intel reportedly will also supply the main processor and graphics chips. I'm Interested to see what these are like because The art side of what I do I'm always using new tablets to see who's got the best new tech or whatever currently the the reigning champion in terms of latency and quality I still think is firmly with an iPad Pro and the Apple pencil and certain apps help but You know, it's it's a close It's it's not too far for me to say that the the surface studio and the surface pros of years past been pretty good They're kind of right up there if they can Provide something like that for artists. That's exciting. I don't know that the smaller size is gonna get too many of us excited But lower cost will so this is this is all good potential I don't know who their main market is still for these tablets I give if it's just existing iPad owners or people who are just on the fence about whether a tablet's worth it or not Maybe they don't care about artists, but With the surface studio, it seems like they made a real push toward that so from my perspective. This is great More competition lower cost USBC is good Across the board for me like all good Microsoft I will absolutely take a look at your next set of tablets Well, and after the success of the surface pro, you know, and then Apple came out with the iPad Pro It's like, okay There's a certain market for this that Microsoft understood and tapped into so can they drop a price and the form factor You know, I think it was $400 is is the you know the going rate at least according to this Bloomberg report and Tap into that more kind of casual consumer market, which iPad is just you know been dominated for Dominating for so much time. Yeah, and I've had sales are up, which usually means tablet sales are up Generally, that's the barometer like they do with notebooks. They tend to be the barometer for notebooks these days I am all for more competition in that space and Doing things with tablets that maybe Apple is forgetting to do we're not doing and pushing that competition I think that's great. So 100% with with Microsoft doing this I just I just hope it's not one of those products They throw out there and they change their mind six months later and pull it sometimes they do that too Very true. It's not a real thing yet. Just a report. Hey folks to get all the Get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes or less subscribe to daily tech headlines com Scott and Roger and everyone. Let's talk about cheating Oh Cheating in school specifically cheating on tests that will determine your future in secondary education and beyond This is a really interesting story coming from the BBC. So this is a UK focused story But this is about a ban on smartwatches imposed during certain tests anyway GCSE which I learned today was general certificate of secondary education. So and it's kind of like an SAT equivalent set of exams taken in England and Wales and Northern Ireland and other British territories and they're really important It's the sort of thing that they don't want you to cheat on because it determines, you know How smart you are and where you should go students are asked being asked to either keep their watches off their wrists on the desk or Keeping their watches off of their wrists because they might be hiding notes where the cheats would be where you know I don't know these you know stuff that you're not supposed to do hidden under the watch And beyond now first of all my first reaction was like, okay Well watches have been around for a long time So students have been doing this for a long time if they've just figured out that people are putting cheat notes under their watches Okay, but it sounds like there are there's sort of a whole line of smart watches that are Designed to help you get information in a clandestine way And your teacher is not supposed to know and and it just looks like a regular watch Well, if you have okay, so I'm just thinking this out loud here as I'm thinking of it But let's say I'm using I have an Apple watch and it's a series three and that means that even if my phone's not around I'm still getting LTE if I have the notes app open and Previous to this I was on a desktop hurriedly putting a bunch of Cheat notes in my notes app I could easily pop that up and just sort of angle it every once in a while it would turn on I'd see it you have it at the default notes page You see your little answer you go back to your thing like I get it I think that they probably should have little safe Block places or something for the students watches when they come in the room and put them in there If they're trying to stop cheating I totally get it, but I had no idea people were putting things under their watch For however long that's been going on that's insane to me Like what are you putting under there and how are you sneakily like going? All right, let's push that out and then take a look and then it's like I mean do you not have pockets Why does it have to go to the watch? It's really weird to me, but I don't know in high school. We were the old-fashioned way We wrote if you're gonna do that you're gonna sharp it on your palm And you know when I was researching this I was trying to think like because we're all you know We're in a generation beyond you know, we're not in school anymore So that the ways that kids cheat, you know, some of them are new to me And I don't really remember it being that big of a deal at the same time Kids didn't have smartphones. They didn't carry you know phones to school. We didn't have internet You couldn't just like look up anything on Google and and get an answer rather than knowing it in your head So Reminds me of a story that we covered on DTNS back in December France the country of France and in all of its public schools Wanted to impose a total ban on mobile phones in schools. This is was for primary students not secondary students so kids younger than high school and I mean, I'm I'm this is supposed to go into effect in it's September and That is really hard like I just think like okay. Well, you hear about schools that have Metal detectors, right because they're worried about you know kids bringing in knives or guns or you know all sorts of terrible things that happen in schools These days, but you know, are we going to get to a point where kids have to be patted down to make sure that they don't have These devices that are either going to distract them or help them cheat and not learn things Which is also sort of probably a bigger discussion about The future of schools in general I know in back when I when I finished high school graphing calculators just became a popular item and so at the time you could bring if you had calculus or trigger advanced Audrey you could bring a calculator in your test because that's how you do all the answers because you have long problems to solve People find out with graphing calculators. There's enough memory. You can actually store Crib notes in them and for a while they're not a long while but for short time Some students were basically putting them in the calculator and able to pull them back out and so, you know There was a point where the teachers had to inspect all the calculators that were being used by the students in the class before a test or an exam and what's you know fascinating is this doesn't just apply to exams Cheating in education especially a higher education because it ends up with a degree that could determine your job prospects when you graduate has become a thing and I didn't realize this until a couple of years ago, but I Knew people kids could buy essays online and turn them in right for for high school and stuff but there was a woman in Australia who was literally making an entire business of it selling them to Overseas students particularly from China Because English for many of them would would have been a second language and difficult for the master so why not just buy a test or buy an essay instead of actually Writing it yourself if you have difficulty with the language and the issue with that is that a lot of universities began to get very worried that Their reputations would be diminished because now there were passing students or giving them a grade that they didn't earn and Place who would say well you went to that particular university a little suspect We won't rate you as highly and so it's kind of a chicken-and-egg thing where a school's reputation as it falls less school It's students want to attend there unless money is being spent and tuition to keep that school afloat and so It is kind of a long standing kind of you know The cheaters want to do this and so schools have to do this and I'm wondering if we just have to Overhaul the way we do exams the way we evaluate students from a time when everything was paper pencil to now when everything's digital Yeah, also, maybe you know all the AI developments were saying in recent years And now maybe there's some things to do with AI that would push us in new directions on how real-time testing occurs How the questions are proposed so that nothing sort of predetermined or written down someplace or Something you could store keep around or whatever I kind of agree with that I think that's a great way to to sort of approach this If we get to a place you guys where the long-promised idea of having an over a sort of a heads-up display Built into small contact like iDevices or implants themselves we're gonna have to reevaluate a lot of how we do things in our lives and We're getting there like we're getting to a place where there's enough cameras around all the time is enough stuff all the time We have to think hard about this stuff Imagine students with that in their head and being able to just sort of see in their field of vision the answers They need we better figure out now how we want to start testing people instead of waiting until then and when it's you know If it's still just a static list then we're then we're screwing up. There's also the There's the angle here that if you are in school and you're not supposed to look up something on the internet You know to cheat it's because you're supposed to you know, keep it in your brain Right well We used to have to do that a lot more because we didn't have easy access to the information that we have now if you were going to Be in a job where you're not gonna have internet access then okay I guess you have to do things the old way, but I think the whole sort of retention of information that whole That's another conversation if kids always have access to the right information as long as they know the difference between right and wrong Maybe you just need to know how to use the internet better rather than committing things to memory Yeah, and I just think having robots who are smarter than us Running tests is a great idea like I don't sound scary and weird But think about how random it would be and they'd be able to mix things up And they'd be able to determine because of your last four answers what you're gonna do for the next one So they're gonna shake it up a little bit and really test you and you can't go oh shoot. Where's the notes in my watch? You know what I mean? Like I feel like that's the future, but that's so far off that I'll be lucky if my grandkids have it Well, your kids are in school still so keep us posted Scott Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddits you help us pick our headlines every day in fact Just the sporting submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show at reddit.com We also have a Facebook group at Facebook's your bag. That's cool Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Got a couple emails here one the first one comes from Chris who says he is a production assistant a DTS production assistant and American English speaker He's talking about Patrick Yesterday suggesting several times that Le Ronde Boutek is a great way to practice French while also getting tech news. I agree Chris says do you have any recommendations for other languages DTS is good for practicing English, but I'm interested in Spanish I also know Korean and Japanese are popular Scott Do you do you do any foreign language stuff? Do you have any apps that you like or no? I mean a group of like I said on the show a few times. I had two Korean sisters and a Korean brother You'd think that may push me in the direction of learning Korean, but I never did just all the dirty words and my brother taught me So I don't really know like I've always kind of been lacking in that department And I wish there were quicker easier ways to do it So I don't know I share I share his question. Where can this stuff be found? Well Patrick asked me yesterday How'd you learn French and I was like first of all my French is real bad So I would not call myself a native speaker or you know a fluent speaker at at all But French podcasts have been a godsend to me, especially if I'm stuck in the car anyway It's like who cares, you know the only person who's gonna notice me like practicing my French over and over You know at the stoplight next to me. It was a really good way for me Especially I used to commute to twit which was two hours a day in my car alone and that really helped So if anybody has other recommendations, we'd love to know How about J-pop and K-pop with lyric sheets and reading along? That's how you'll learn the Korean and that's how you learn Yeah tales of love and love lost another email from let's see. Do we get a name? Yes, Rod Ross and Nottingham England. Wow He wants to share his thoughts on the whole Microsoft Surface Hub thing that you and Patrick talked about yesterday So I've used various sizes of that at Microsoft HQ in the UK They have truly impressive devices very valuable for meetings The trouble Microsoft has is that people think they are just fancy toys for PowerPoint But the infinite whiteboard and the ability to immediately send that out as an email or one note drawing Would be worth it alone for some people There's video conferencing and screen sharing and it solves many of the problems faced by enterprises trying to collaborate remotely There are lots of improvements that they can make but this is the best product of its type that I've ever seen Much more so than things like interactive whiteboards if they could convince enough people to buy them They can reduce their production costs and make them more widely available But they can't do that until they achieve mass market adoption Which is why they won't because they're too expensive to start with and to be clear I do not work for Microsoft. He's good to know Ross Yeah, I mean we don't know what the surface hub to is price point does yet the first one was $9,000 So yeah, I mean it's that's that is cost prohibitive to a lot of smaller businesses anyway, but Hey, you know if Microsoft can bring the price down enough that it gets to be sort of a standard of of you know Collaborative meetings, especially because so many people work remotely now. Hey, yeah And you see your Twitter or some other company in San Francisco or something You probably got one of these in every conference room and that's and that and 9,000 bucks is a reasonable thing to expect for companies like that So sure start there. This is a corporate solution. It's a little bit like all their back end They do for for corporate as it is anyway at Microsoft I wouldn't I wouldn't look at this and go oh man if we could just get this in everyone's home Like we'll get there one day something like this will happen one day, but for now, it's fine way it is Yeah, I mean interactive whiteboards and yet most people don't need that at home unless you have a home office Or so I mean, I'd love one Me too Back here four of them together Thank you to everybody who writes in every day and helps us get smarter and learn a little bit more about Ourselves and you and technology and also thanks to Scott Johnson. It's Wednesday. You're with us every Wednesday Thanks for being here and holding down the fort and Tom's absence I always like doing the show with you Scott. Tell folks. What is up with you these days? 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He had a really fun meetup in Sydney already But he is hosting another meetup in Melbourne Tuesday, May 22nd next week 6 p.m. That's local Melbourne time at a place called Bartronica if you can make it I know he'd love to see you and you can tell him how much you love the rest of us as well We are live This show is part of the frog pants network frog pants network get more shows like this at frog pants comm Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this bro What is that music behind you in the new sting out like a kind of smooth jazz thing Yeah, like nice smooth jazz a little bit of sit back and just let it wash over your kind of business Love it. Love it. Yeah, the other thing was more like an action movie. This is more like, you know, hey Look at us chillin out That went great Hey Scott, I wanted to ask you do you use a podcast analytics tool that you like? No, because I've never found one that I like Fettled around a whole bunch a lot of times and I never find anything that works really well So I just use the server logs that I get from so I have I have an AWS instance setup That is just hosting my all my show files on my RSS feeds and all my album art Okay, and so I get very specific sort of Hit hit or a sort of hit stuff that says okay, this entire mp3 was downloaded So that counts as like that's a show somebody got this one was touched on but the only listen to the first five minutes It was probably the website then or was something else where they got cut off And so I don't always count those and so I've kind of got some of that going on But it's real raw server log stuff not good analytics really and yeah, I am I produced this podcast And you know, they're always saying like well, what are our numbers and I'm like well What's the number like there's downloads there's streams there's partials there's you know You know SoundCloud versus everybody else and I'm like I can put together something kind of aggregate but You know, I was considering you know, it's sort of a you know a pod tracker or or or equivalent but that's kind of different because that's sort of geared toward Advertisers who are trying to figure out like cpm rates and that's not really what we're doing. It's hard I mean, it's it's one of the holy grails to have an all-encompassing comprehensive metric of Your podcast especially if you're releasing on multiple platforms, right? It's not just downloads It might be SoundCloud might not be archive.org or it might be to I mean you need to check all these things But then you have questions. Well, if it's streaming how long do they stay for and you know, you get to your cpms and the rest and It can get kind of convoluted in some ways the data is so granular that people's eyes glaze over as Opposed to like Nielsen's which are a little a little more blunt But people like well, it's it's very simplistic But you can just throw it at someone in the elevator and they understand it, right? And you're right about it being the holy grail I've never heard anybody figure figure out the best way and like I mean even big organizations like pod track they literally track your your your downloads or your traffic by giving you a precursor mp3 file that you put in your urls for Your total podcast file. So basically what happens is It pings their mp3 to tell people to tell them that somebody's getting the show and then it routes to your server to get the show And that's how they see how many downloads you're getting and that's like rudimentary and not that accurate Yeah, and it's not any better than you just go into your server and saying oh, this is my total bandwidth download And I'm giving them a better I'm giving them better numbers because I can do it that way with better numbers because I can see when a file was Completely downloaded versus just getting it. They just see it getting hit So and all that that ties into the whole thing is like what metric do you want to use? Do you want like for example YouTube counted? Like what initially like four minutes into a stream or a video would be counted as a whole view Even though the video would be like 15 or 20 minutes long, right? And so there were questions about that and but we do have a question about titles and Amazon dares you to live without prime The student has become the cheater, which is Love that one cheating on the clock. I Like that one cheating on the clock cheat on the clock. Oh got it got it. Yeah watch got it clever showbots Yeah to pass watch it Haha, I do like the student has become the cheater cheating on the clock What do you guys lean towards I was picking I'd say student has become the cheater It's a little longer, but I like that one It's just I mean I Like that one too. Yeah, it's just gone Done Mented it's actually winning. No, it's oh look at this. There's a fight going on Fight fight fight hide but I still think it wins You know, I remember back in the late odds is that what you call them the lot odds odds I never feel comfortable saying that I know that's what they are, but it's like the odds. I Don't like I never liked it. There was there was a paper about plagiarism in university level courses and there was a an opinion piece. It says like just let people plagiarize It's not like I think I think the whole argument was there was too much emphasis on that and not enough on I Guess was just style or ability or you know, just like you know, just have let let people copy wholesale and you know Re-evaluate them on on different things instead of evaluating them on writing these long multi-page papers That may have questionable value Wait, so if between 2000 and 2010 are the odds. What do we call? 1900 through 1910 That's the the war not the roaring 20s you call it the turn of the century But well the turn of the century is the turn of the century, you know what like 1909 is part of what decade call it the 1900s typically like Usually that goes all the way up into the Great Depression like the early 20s, but then you call it the roaring 20s So covers like 1900 like to 1920 We can say the 2010s we can say the 2020s and that makes sense But it's saying the 2000s seems weird because it sounds like you're saying for all of the 2000s from here in perpetuity Tell me right. Yeah, we're not far enough along for it to kind of have its own Definition that's why it's funky mankind was not prepared for this You know, it's it's such a weird so it's such a weird thing Because for the longest time you would refer to the night all the nine nineteen hundreds like all of nineteen nine nineteen hundred to 1999 as like the 20th century back in the 20th century. Yeah, I know um, I Also, you know, there was this whole I remember my friends and I because we were you know 90s high school kids, but 80s children, you know, the 80s were a thing like, you know what the 80s are They're known for certain things, you know, it's like There's a reason for that digital stuff and a certain kind of music and whatever and then the 90s were like, what's it gonna be? And now it's like you remember it for grunge and you know hosted being a boy bands and that sort of thing I'm still like what was that next decade? Oh, dude What is it my oldest daughter she would call that her decade of growth like that's her coming of age decade and she can't tell me She has no idea Like and I don't either I think the 2000 to 2010 is nebulous to say the least I mean, I don't like it's it's like it doesn't really have a like nothing stands out to me I was like, oh, that was the you know the thing. Yeah, it doesn't have a sound you can call its own It doesn't have like a look yet that we can perceive and tell maybe maybe later We will but right now we can't look at those that those years and say that they dressed funny or something Like weird year. It's with a decade. It's like when music became less distinct and more Kind of hodgepodgey and then you were getting it all digitally and right. Yeah, it's just weird The YouTube crap like all of it changed everything and that's just weird. It's like a transition decade Thousands music wise. I just think of a lot of dance and EDM Well, there was that But you know, there was also, you know a lot of indie bands And I was getting most of my EDM in the 90s anyway, like a lot of it They didn't call it that yet that's that's what back back and they call the electronica or Depending on the subgenre would be trans it would be acid. Sure, but I'm like, you know VNV nation and Crystal method and yeah Is like they were awesome So, I don't know. I don't know what 2010s are gonna do when they look back. I feel bad for her a little bit Well, I think maybe it's because we're not a whole other decade ahead yet Right. We're getting there. So in the 20 in the roaring 2020s In yeah, once we hit 2022, you know, we'll all look back and be like, yeah Remember when we kind of couldn't define it yet. That's what it was I think, you know, it's weird for me is that this the past decade has been marked by a lot of resurgent nostalgia for previous Cultural means in a way that did not exist. I think previously for example in the 80s There were some people who would throw back to the 60s or the 50s like with hairstyle or music or dress sensibilities But like now we're in a stage where everything is up for nostalgia whether You know, it's old 80s sitcoms or we're gonna bring back something from the 90s bring back something from the 70s or bring back something from the 2000s. There's just kind of a weird like Buffet of sorts like oh, well, you know pick pick the thing that that you like the most And it's weird because the 90s unlike the 80s. I mean you had grunge, but there wasn't an identifiable visual Q in the same way that you think with the 80s or the 60s or the 50s But I think there is 90210 or you know, yeah, like all of the you know, Pearl Jam kind of stuff You know going on in Seattle back in the day. It's like it's very Iconically 90s, but you couldn't see it for a while. You had to get out of it Yeah, but I also felt a real break at the end of the 80s in the beginning of the 90s when all that stuff kicked in because It was like hair bands were up here and then suddenly nobody cared and the music scene just completely shifted popular music It just could change really quick and then things like Jurassic Park early 90s examples of movies like that 93 I guess it was You suddenly saw technology and CGI and like some of that stuff happened and it just started to define the decade quickly I thought but I Can't say that's true of the last one. I don't know what that was the last one I think we were still figuring out what I do know is that there was a huge shift from a society that was Using technology To a society that's all about technology like before you would go online to do things But now, you know in order to enhance your life and now your life kind of is Online, right? Yeah, you're not like tapping in and then tapping out. It's just always there. Yeah. Yeah Because when we get our first real smartphone to 2007 if you want to count that or if you and I will say, you know It isn't always there is DTS because I need to wrap up the live stream, but we will be back Tomorrow with Justin Robert Young and of course Sarah and me And don't forget Tom if you're in Melbourne, Australia is doing his meetup Tuesday May 22nd local time in Australia 6 p.m That's Bart, Ronica 335 Flanders Flinders Lane And you get to meet Peter Wells and Raj Deut as well Have a good time have one on us and we'll see you tomorrow