 Boom, what up fam Anthony dream John center today. See you the red man group founder a 21 convention 21 studios 22 convention Make one great again 21 University and 10,000 other things. I appreciate tuning into today's show I'm very excited for it episode 136. So the red man group had a bang a thousand women with the infamous notorious coach John Anthony he's been called the gangest con of the Manusphere this guy's a real deal and This guy's fucking savage. I think the Manusphere needs a huge shot of testosterone and this man brings out to the table So without further ado, please let me welcome for the first time ever to the red man group John Anthony John welcome to the stream. Hey, what's up, man? Thanks for having me on. Yeah, dude. I'm really excited man I I've known about you for several years now. I think I found you back in 2016 a lot of my friends who actually get laid in Orlando, they were huge fans of your stuff back then still are and I gave a big layer talk to the Orlando guys maybe in 2015 or 2016. Oh, cool. Fuck. Yeah Yeah, I was actually in the original Orlando layer called top layer way back in the day 2006 2007 and I think what you went to is probably an evolution of that. I think those like the RSD guys doing the thing So not everyone on my channel is gonna know you I haven't obviously interviewed you before anything like that But I've been aware of you for the guys who don't know you what's kind of your background and origin story How did you find the man's fear? How did you find the pickup community? How'd you become a coach? So I was like the classic like super nerd like in in middle school and high school I was like probably the nerdiest shyest guy of like 700 people And it was it was I never imagined being this position I was raised very Catholic planning on waiting till marriage to have sex Planned I never touching a drink and then both those things kind of went the total opposite direction But I was given like a kind of a lucky genetic luck of the draw in the terms of having hyper analytical abilities So I always excelled in like math and Computer programming and these kinds of things. I quickly mastered poker in high school mastered stock trading master chess whenever whenever I got into a skill game, I was able to hyperanalyze and optimize it and I also came from like a very verbally abusive childhood and that gave kind of the drive an ignition component to really give so much of a Shit about mastering stuff with girls and it that's been instrumental and driving me along the way But long story short one of my nerdy friends from high school who ended up doing a PhD in quantum physics He's like living on a boat now He was like dude You got to read the book the game and then he was also recommending mystery method and it sounded like a big scam to Me because I was pretty clueless with chicks and it didn't seem like there could be a method to the madness It seemed like there was too much stuff that you couldn't quantify in this and that About what year what year was that with time or crime must have been like 2007? Okay, and then I finally yeah I finally read the stuff and then it kind of like blew me away like in my first field report I said I feel like I've been given you know a dynamite like to fish in the barrel kind of thing and I thought that everyone that was exposed to game and pickup theory would have a giant advantage and that there Would be all these guys, you know around the world that kind of underground had like this the superpower So to speak and it came to be that it turned out to be quite the opposite that most of the guys Mostly due to bad information and bad coaching most of the guys that are into this kind of stuff Are actually fairly terrible the vast majority and that's not and that's where their fault It's the fault of these coaches that are purposely misleading them purposely scamming them There's internet marketers that dominate the space that just pump tons of money into advertising with good sales presentations Yeah, and they don't know the first thing about dating some of these multimillion dollar products They were content farmed out to India. There's not even a shred of truth in the dating advice So I you know pause on that and I've actually met you know having been in the industry and an organizer of a lot of these guys And people not that I've ever even worked with but just have met and know this industry you're a hundred percent, right? There was actually this thing called the seduction syndicate back in the day, and it was just around. Yeah around Yeah, they added me to that but it's yeah, it's a bunch of fucking cross scamming basically Yeah, it's this massive scamming all they do is talk about it a scam guys out of money They've been doing this for over 10 years and yeah, like you're saying they just dump tons of tons of money into like content farming Getting products made massive advertising. They get banned on the advertising networks. They go to another advertising network It's this endless shit show of this fraud and it's it's been a plague on the manuscript for decades. It sucks Sorry to just want to back that up Yeah, so kind of continue that story is I applied all the the massive analytical abilities Like I broke the first hundred girls in 2012 will just purely mystery method and that so and I took an RST bootcamp Because I kind of bought in the Kool-Aid back in the day just like everybody else and when I was at a hundred and three They count June 20 towards end of June 2012 Realized I was like exponentially light years beyond Tyler and Todd who are the instructors and then I like it became like a Personal that's kind of like when the pickup bugs like set in and I said and set onto this path of like massively evolving optimizing the system So I show my results graph I'm able to share my screen and show that graph real quick If you put a link in if there's a link to it I can do it I don't know. Otherwise I can do it on stream yard. I don't think so Yeah, there's like a there's like a share button down at the bottom. Let me see if I click share Oh, maybe you can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I can do it in mind Let me just pop it up real quick just to show people the exponential progression I was just on bulldog mindsets channel and I showed them just to give people some kind of context But basically this this is I kept exact track like there's plenty of people that doubt this I know it sounds like a huge number I kept exact track all the way through and have more proof than any one of this I took it pretty seriously because it's one of the only ways to measure Results progression. So let me just share and just show this really quick here Let's see Yeah, I can't say anything. I just do it's gonna pop up in a second. Let me know Yeah, so so this this right here it basically took me about 10 years to the first hundred girls Then it was about a hundred girls a year for a while Then my best year was 246 new in a year once I dialed in on a lot of the texting and setting dates to the house And this isn't fully updated the the current count yesterday was 1321 Which is which is ironic because the 21 actually your name too is my name backwards There's there's been some guys that've emailed me and thought I was part of 21 studios because they get the surname and First name except I heard people You know you screaming about you to the day and I thought they met me because they kept saying john Anthony john Anthony. I'm like these people is retarded. They're what the fuck's going on here Yeah, a lot of people like I don't know in other parts of the world They look at the surname and call you but a lot of people call me Anthony on the channel which makes no sense but anyways My whole process throughout was just to find anybody better than me at any particular area of game Who's better day game texting keeping girls around night game? Whatever it may be and what are they doing that's better than mine and then split test it So it's a very scientific method split test it and if it puts out better results with enough data Then adapt the system accordingly and kind of the basis of the system in 2012 I was putting this forum called top beasts It was this website top beasts and it was supposed to be the best 30 pick and barter's in the world at that time Based on our field reports People vouching for us a whole variety of factors and what I did was I befriended all those guys kind of vacuumed up All the knowledge of what everyone was doing and did a massive comparative analysis and took the common overlapping key areas And that's what formed the basis of my system originally So it has like the best parts of mystery method the best stuff I could garnish from naturals a lot of the a lot of the advice out there is just pure trash, so You know, I would say like the vast vast vast majority of the stuff That's on YouTube and the Facebook groups is way off from correct strategy most of the key elements to what actually gets results I'm not even mentioned. I think a lot of people do that on purpose But a lot of people just don't have the skills and long story short At the at the end of the day like the system is extremely extremely extremely optimized I drove in a lot of innovation as well. I was constantly scanning for weak spots and suboptimal pieces and Fixing whatever I could so I just treated this in a very nerdy sense like a big optimization problem And I also made it extremely repeatable. So when I train guys in the modern day, there's no BS There's no fluff. There's no abstract will principles that don't translate into practical strategy And guys literally just plugging into an optimized system where I define all their texting to find how to do all the different Pieces and they just end up with a whole stream of dates So I show them how to run the dates how to close the dates how to keep the girls around and guys are very Frequently able to do like 50 to 100 new girls in a year or at least you know It's not all about racking numbers at least get their dream rotation or dream girlfriend as fast as possible So that's kind of my background That's that's the big difference from what I bring to the table and I'm also one I think the only I know you do a little bit too but in the pickup world the pickup community I'm probably the only coach that actively calls guys out Yeah, and a lot of guys miss Interpret that and think it's for attention or to hate on people that are bigger than me or a marketing angle But it's really just I have a big passion for the game I devoted my whole adult life to this to optimizing this and I put in the blood sweat and tears to get what I believe Is by far the best system and have all the results to show that and then you have a whole a whole lot of guys in here That are just spouting scam nonsense Ripping people off paying girls be part of lifestyle shoots You know a Jason Capitol and Max you've got guys that are purposely misleading guys with the content like RSD and Derek Moneyberg Where it's been discovered that they're telling they're instructing their 21 year old kids that are building their products to purposefully Mislead and confuse and all this stuff is just focused on upselling other products So, you know even though I'm not as big of a name or as big of a channel as a lot of these guys Because my business was largely word of mouth because I deliver the goods These guys, you know are far more popular because they drove shitloads of marketing into building their whole scam image And and just look around no nobody's really getting very good No, no company out there is churning out very good guys that pick up, you know besides myself and playing with fire I think dude RSD was with some of the worst I mean I met a lot of these guys in person their fans these like little groups of RSD The RSD fanboys were the worst like they literally were the worst guys at picking up girls and they It's a cult. Yeah. Yeah, they made they turn them into weirdos They told them to do fancy gamey gimmicky stuff guys were getting punched getting slapped They were telling you to open calling a girl a bitch or a whore or a dog and just stuff That's gonna perpetuate you sucking and pick up so that you need more of the solution, right? So that's how they're able to deliver 30 products now. They're selling boot camps and packs of four I know guys have taken 12 boot camps. They don't know how to run a night game interaction Which I can explain to them in an hour, you know So without without beating a dead horse That's that's kind of the backstory in the context of this and for those of the those of you that are familiar with my content And then subscribe to my channel when I attacked max as expected he made a whole targeted coordinated attack and put a put it, you know reported mass videos since the beginning of my channel and So my channel was in danger of going down I'm not able to post for a week and I had to private all the roast stuff for now but we're basically just cutting out any kind of Personal attack stuff from the roast and we're gonna put them all back up, but that's where that stands with that, you know So it's you know, I'm trying to lead the fucking good fight and open people's eyes And a lot of people are waking up to this stuff But it also comes with a price, you know, I also care a lot about getting the guys good I don't want to sacrifice the channel over, you know, these fucking assholes trying to censor the You're doing you're doing a public service to be honest and you're getting called a villain for it You get stabbed in the back and you're getting shot for it But I I believe honestly what you're doing man, and I understand that you this You're abrasive you kind of brutish. I'm all about it. I think it's great There used to be a lot more that in the man's fear and the lack of that is a lot of the reason that these guys suck They suck with women. They don't understand men. They don't understand how they get defrauded and in my view This problem isn't going on for probably 15 and 20 years. I don't know. Yeah You're in the 90s too much. I was not in it until 2005 But since I got involved, this has really been a serious problem and not enough people talk about it There's no quality control. There's no quality control, right? Like yeah, nobody it's on face value with that everybody everybody promises the dream Which I guess is your nickname Anthony dream Johnson dream baby, but everybody everybody's promising like I've watched some of these video sales Letters like like for those of you just a real quick example This kind of like sums up a lot of these other products a towel badass, right? That was on click bank John Benson the professional copywriter wrote that product the content farmed out to India Joshua policy or whatever was the it was the supposed face of the product But I ran into Tim Houston at a marketing conference and I said hey that products pretty much all bullshit, right? He's like, oh, yeah, and he I said that in a video and he's like, oh, you can't you know He was drunk when he said that but I already know I went through it has no resemblance to anything having to do with Good game, but that product they were making like 50 to 60 K a day It was leading all products on click bank for months because what they did was they wrote a very compelling sales letter That really harped on the pain points of impressionable young men You have sold on the dream and Pandora's box is another one guy and guys like me I don't even know these products, but they made millions of dollars Pandora's box a team of super affiliate marketers They're just praying on the pickup community and praying on a guy's need to fix this stuff And what they're saying in their sales letter is that Amazon Google and Facebook got together and had a classified project To decode dating and it's been declassified and now you can have you know You can have it for sixty seven dollars plus all these these upsells And they say that like they just throw out false statistics like 87% of people have a threesome in their first few days after purchasing the product And I can't make claims like that. So so I can't compete with scam claims I tell guys, you know coming from guys banged at this time of the video 1,321 girls my close rates 10% when I hit a thousand girls with about 10,000 phone numbers right now There's like 13,100 something it falls roughly about 10% which other top guys have confirmed Paul Jankis said that was about his his close rate and he confirmed that others I know Paul Yeah I've even I've been to like seduction syndicate meetings like marketing meetings and Austin Texas and their scumbags like they're absolutely Weirdo scumbags. Yeah, everything you're saying is honestly true and it's so fucked up It's his dark underbelly mana swamp the shithole element of the man is for the shithole wing of the man is here And it sucks their pump. Yeah, they're pumping shit. They're literally pumping millions of dollars in the paid ads Like so they're reaching the most people and if you're guy that doesn't know any better You say, oh, I know Amazon and Facebook and Google. This must be something that's really solid Oh, that's not too expensive. You know, then there's all these upsells and there's recurrences and all these things And but the thing is is like I can't claim 87% people are gonna be three So I can't I can't even claim guys are gonna close more than 10% but nobody wants to hear that Right like girlfriend activation system with Christian Hudson another fucking bullshit product They said you don't even need to approach the girls will come to you Right, you just do these things and the girls will approach you so so they're they're making it It's like in the fitness industry that you don't need to lift weights. You don't need to eat, right? You can do whatever you just need this this pill or this or this stupid system here And it doesn't work, but they sell they sell exactly like the easiest path that guys can just say, okay I don't need to approach anymore. I don't need to worry about approach anxiety I can have a three-some 87% chance right and and then they just they just fall prey to this stuff And then they bounce from coach to coach to coach and I speak to guys every week Hey, I spent 50 grand on products. I have no results. Hey, man. I've been beating my head in the wall for 15 years I'm ultra depressed and I fix these things in a matter of a week or two Right like I like I had a virgin client that came to me at age 28 He had taken six trainings are like three RSD like a Todd V natural life's all this stupid shit Nobody got him laid. It was super depressed. He was like on the verge of suicide I walked him through and like, you know painstaking detail like how high the odds are that we're gonna get him late I'm like, dude, literally once we you get a pro photo shoot I have a team of girls pick your top five photos We apply face app and Photoshop and get those aesthetics maxed out you plug into my message sequences to go from match to phone Number you plug in my tech sequences to go from phone number to date. You're gonna have a stream of dates There's no two ways around that so like at the very minimum You're gonna have a whole bunch of dates and a lot of them will come straight to your house Based on my tech sequences So you literally just have to know how to close at the house and how to run his public dates Which we dialed in on he got his first lay in day four And he rocked the chicken bed on his first time too because I have a sex training in there And he said the chick was like this is the best sex way ahead of my life And I just had another guy in the program was a virginian. She said the same thing These are virgins like knocking out of the park hardcore on their first time ever having sex And he got eight ladies in the program in eight weeks and and that's better than most guys They've been doing this for 15 years. Yeah, so they ended up just being dobblers They float from like, you know camp to you know pick up school to pick up school to pick up school to coach It's a disgrace. There should only be one training. I tell guys on the calls. You don't need this isn't like, okay You take you dabble in mine or you're on the ones part of your journey I'm gonna permanently fix the problem for you, you know for better or worse if that's good for business I don't fucking care I don't even know how I would teach this stuff in a way that's purposefully misleading the guys You know, I don't even know how to talk about game and pick up in a way That's like we were abstract. It's it's it's very systematic and strategic to me. So Unfortunately, too, that's just the norm. It's just an endless cycle of bullshit and word salads and you know Really vague stuff from keyboard jockeys. This is you know, 80% of the man is here has been that I've said say for a long time And it sucks and I'm really glad you're speaking up and do something about it Yeah, I think he for it massive heat and that's part of how yeah Yeah, I'm kind of same issues, you know, yeah, I've had RSD was was was pushing all kinds of Slander and stuff like that saying I was a rapist and that I you know, I've never been accused or charged with rape That's a fact but they pushed that everywhere and they pushed that so popularly the last times my name comes up Oh, isn't that guy that got in trouble for rape never been accused of rape never been charged with rape It's right. So they're coaches Julian Blanc talk about raping woman or Tyler get caught on video About yeah, some old field report post about about putting it into a stripper in the morning and she was That was an intro too Yeah But yeah, I mean like like I've been I've been invited to conferences and so I saw like R. C. Papa was on a conference list He he contacted organized. Oh, don't let that guy and he's a rapist, right never never ever been accused of rape Never in 1321 closes never once accused of it never never charged with it But that's that's what they push around they were telling people for a while that I threatened Owens kids Yeah, I didn't even know he had kids, you know, so they're it's very very low blow type shady shit They they they got my old Facebook group removed It was just filled with massive content that was super helpful And I put up a post like dishing all this dirt on different RST coaches group goes down the next day My Instagram I put like 200 300 closes in a road of proof and then I was at a conference talk in Poland I was ripping on R. C. Tyler and I was like by the way guys sent up for my Instagram I was at 20 2019 the conference of Poland. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we had one in Poland too in July I think that was right after us in August, right? Yeah Yeah, I heard those guys. Yeah, but yeah, my my Instagram went down during the talk And now once I bring up the max like like basically the summary of the max video I made was that he's paying girls like there's proof of this He's paying girls to be part of a fake lifestyle, right? He's not paying them the girls on his harem are just girls that are being paid literally on the payroll, right? And then he posts all this shit on Instagram trying to be like Dan Bilzerian who also pays girls I know that from because I'm in the poker scene I know guys that are close friends that he pays guys and Dan Bilzerian pays guys and girls that are around him to be around him And but max is doing that to create this this fake lifestyle image So the guys sign up for his course he sucks a pickup from from numerous reports on the on the inside He's he just plays video games all day. He sucks a pickup his freedom business mentorship course There's like a 1% success rate He went from pickup scamming mentorship to a business scamming It's a wider a broader audience because the pickup is a little bit niche Yeah Exactly and they're all like using the same marker that Tai Lopez uses it's all it's all one big steaming pile of shit But anyways, I put out the max video Ripped on his girlfriend and he got the video down for fucking cyber bullying, right? And and then he's reporting shit from two years ago three years. These all happen the same time So it has to be max. So I'm gonna come back like 100x over the top We already have a class action lawsuit being prepared with tons of victims from max's program And I'm just gonna continue the attacks without any you know without violating any of the stupid PC rules But that that's you know, we can get into other other questions. You haven't yeah, let's get into let's focus more on game I do want to get into these issues more later in the show the fraud and this and that But this is a good opening kind of dialogue on it I'm all about it man. I really appreciate it and I know you could take a lot heat for it and keep keep up the good fight Man, it's a good fight in the community needs it It needs guys it should be meant leading the community actually get laid if that's what they focus on if they're a coach for that Which I think these guys are so warped so they look at it backwards They think that anyone like calling people out is like doing low vibration shit They think that like they think like to be a man You just need to like take abuse and you need to just like take shit laying down and like thank people like for Walking on that I think now I'd like to hear what you think about it But I think the community is basically just by definition. It's filled with beta males It's filled with guys who suck with women which means they're conflict avoidant and they hate conflict So when they see conflict they get really angered by it They get upset by they get triggered they freak out and they revert to what their life their lifelong pattern of behavior Is which is to shut down conflict the conflict the conflict which is also the reason they suck with women are one of the main reasons I would say Yep, and cognitive distance plays a huge part as well So those of you not familiar cognitive distance basically applies to you trying to rationalize Like let's say like when I when I attack RSD Tyler right guys guys have come to worship them I talked to guys that think he's at like five thousand lay count. They have posters of him on their wall They think like Tyler is like, you know second to like Jesus Christ And when I show all this objective reasons of lying of scamming of purposefulness leading of being in bed with like all the fucking Scammers and him just focus on extracting as much money as possible from these guys and that's his Talk to his own instructors guys that have retired from RSD guys that you haven't discussed yet I know a lot of these guys and they say they've told me flat-out Tyler's a massive fraud like he does not get late He lies. He's gotten late. I mean he's not a virgin obviously, but he's lies on his own conferences He lies to his own guys and he rationalizes it. They'll be out on the night before he won't bang a chick He'll go on stage say he banged this chick. Yeah happen. I witnessed this multiple times I worked for them for three months in 2012 he rationalizes though He's like well, it's a better story for education for the guys if I tell him I got laid and the guys are like You didn't fucking get laid though. Like you know, it's a complete it's a complete facade It's a complete facade But the present ties into cognitive dissonance is that guys hear this and they think I've put a lot of money into his shit A lot of time a lot of effort. I've drank the Kool-Aid I'm so indoctrinated for me to acknowledge that this is all a fraud is gonna like crumble my world So instead I'm gonna say this guy is a hater. This guy is just jealous. This guy is low vibration Etc and dismiss all his objective logical rational points so that they can protect their ego and protect like this world Because it's really like it's it shatters their entire world Would you say it's also like a sunk sunk cost fallacy like in gambling they're just kind of like they're so invested They spent three four thousand dollars. They don't want to give it up. Yeah. Yeah But the thing is is that I've been hammering so hard on it Like I've really like, you know to possibly to my detriment with putting the channel at risk and stuff But I've been hammering so hard and I've been getting so many emails where guys are like, okay That's the final nail in the coffin. Like you can't you can't get around it Even his own video editor like that was editing Tyler's infields. It's like yeah His quote-unquote game is like nothing special whatsoever, right? And when we're like when I'm telling stories of like massive amounts of lying when when you see like he's using the same Marketer is Derek Moneyberg and we have like insiders that created Derek Moneyberg's course that are saying like he told us to purposely Mislead and confuse and he's just constructing all his content to upsell other things and he wants to extract as much Money as possible, but I have lawyers involved in this shit They're you know, I'm sure I'm fucking public public enemy number one of these fucking pieces of shit But they are probably enemy number one. What's up mean you both man. I hate me too But there but the thing is is like yes learning strategy is one of the most important things you can do But ditch ditching all these guys that are literally against you But pretending to be on your side is like right up there at top of the priority guys like why do you focus so much energy on? Hating on these guys Because they're fucking making you go backwards That's why like if like look at anybody watching this that follows any of these fucking idiots right in the RSD community The natural lifestyles Todd V like pretty much almost all of them Look at your results. Are you happy with where you are that 99%? No, I know that for a fact And it's much less than that actually hardly anyone is getting good hardly anyone is fixing the problem My students do that very consistently But hardly anyone that follows these guys is getting good at pickup But they'll defend them to the bitter end in the whole the whole Manisphere and pickup community has has like stopped giving a shit about results as well Like guys guys label as me that labels me label me as the weird guy that cares about getting laid The cares about results that cares about tracking how many girls you've been with and they're taught Let's actually let's pause to get into that a little bit. I mean you've banged a thousand women There are very few men who've ever lived who have banged a thousand women less less than 1% I would say you're not just now but for thousands of years like I said some gang is con level shit I'm all about it You know, I think you know some men are gonna do it and then some men are gonna not only do it But be able to teach it be able to talk about it, which is puts you an even rarer camp of individuals So let's get into some questions What do you say to some very kind of generic responses like this bang in a thousand women is degenerate behavior? Trad cons would say this maybe feminists would say this What is it kind of your basic response to this kind of accusation or slander at you? Yeah, it's a generate your sociopath whatever Okay, so first of all like most guys that are like into this stuff want to bang a lot more girls But again, it's cut. This is another cognitive dissonance example Where just like guys that can't get hot girls They label all the hot girls as bitches and a waste of time and like not good partners I just did I just did a whole video about that where when I showed all the dating coaches ugly wives and girlfriends Everyone rationalized it and said oh well these girls first of all must have perfect ten personalities second of all like beauties and I have to be holder Third of all all hot girls are not worth getting into a relationship with or marrying with and that's just all like totally absurd I've dated hot girls all around the world and there's tons of nine plus looks girls that have awesome internals as well Right and but guys are all rationalizing that so it's the same thing when you bang a lot of girls Most guys are not banging a lot of girls So it's easier to say like guys just some big weirdo, right? And I've had like eight monogamous relationships I've had you know, I usually run like 10 to 15 girl rotations. That's not that's not like the full priority I do plenty of other stuff, right? Like I do like martial arts. I have a whole bunch of hobbies I do a whole bunch shit with friends It's not like this like soul one-track focus or it's like do or die just go for the lay count Just because you just could you bang a lot of girls? I mean, that's all you do or that That's the only obsessive focus. It's just the result of having a high skill in the game Like when that when those guys talk to girls, they're hoping to bang them too It's except the difference is it usually doesn't work out because their skill is far lower, right? So it's not like yes, I ran more volume like I have 13,100 phone numbers in my phone So like yes, but I'm 37 right put in I put in the time And I was living in a lot of the cities where I that were you know, I did Vegas Miami, San Diego Warsaw Kiev Liz where have you found where have you found some of the hottest one in the world's top two cities? I would I would say where I'm at right now, Florianapolis, Brazil. I've been here a year. Hello, and Yeah, I was in South Brazil. It was basically like Europeans came and colonized it back in the day So you have like pretty European face girls with Brazilian bodies, right? So it's and there's a stacked genetics I was at a event. There's a club here. That's 5,000 person capacity all open-air outdoors and last year during carnival there was Like a costume party like kind of like an American Halloween So these chicks are like little tiny outfits and I would say upwards of 70 80% of them were above an 8 And so this was thousands of girls. It was like rare to see an unattractive girl I would never see anything like that in the US. Obviously. Yeah, or 80% are obese Now, how's that compared to a place like Warsaw, Poland? You've been there too. You said that's probably my number two I would say or in Warsaw. I had a rotation composed. It's like a melting pot of Eastern Europe Girls, I had a rotation that was composed of Ukrainians girls from Belarus Croatia Lithuania Latvia. Yep, you know, I Love I love it. It's been a month and more so in 2019. It's beautiful. I'm just unbelievable woman is amazing Yeah, I was there for over a year. Yeah, and you can go literally months sometimes without seeing someone overweight It's it's like almost like seeing someone in a wheelchair Which is fucking crazy because then you I land back at home to her Christmas or some shit And it's like being on another planet. There's like creatures walking around. They're just fucking disgusting Dude, I came back from Poland and my first stop in America. The layover was in Chicago the airport And I get back and I see all these fat women and fucking yoga pants and sweatpants And it smells like McDonald's McDonald's you just fucking smell it And it's the opposite of Poland and Norway and these countries in Europe where the women none of them are fat a lot of them are really really hot and it doesn't smell like fucking McDonald's and sweatpants everywhere The difference is massive. It's yeah, and it's not just the physical thing I have a video on my channel on my John Anthony lifestyle channel That's called the different like Eastern versus Western women and it's I basically like, you know coming to mind a random order They're more feminine. They're more elegant. They're more respectful. They flake less. They play less games They take better care of you etc. Etc. Yeah, if you'd search for eastern eastern versus western You might have to do a search. I think it's like a year and a half old or so They're just like type eastern But all the internal there we go top one all the internals are It's it's such a massive massive difference. Like there's such better quality women Internally and externally like once you have a taste of that there's like no reason to ever live in America again Like for those for those you that are in America But that's why it sucks covetous I wanted to spend a couple months in Europe again last year and then fucking coveted and fucked all that up So I was like god damn it because I got I got my I heard about this for years Right eastern european women are beautiful amazing inside and out and I'd been to europe before but not eastern europe I'd been to scandinavia. I'd been to you know western europe and shit So I'd seen like a tiny bit of this, but it was nothing like what I saw in poland amazing. Yeah, it's hard It's hard to go back to america. It sucks. It's a bunch of Yep, did you did you get a chance to to interact with many of the internals too besides just looking at them I fucked a couple women when I was there. I went to crack out too in the south I wanted to do the 21 convention in crack out in 2020 But then coveted and fucked that up and maybe we'll do this year But probably not because that shit's still fucked But I love crack. Yeah crack. I was more of a student student town. I guess Yeah, and it's much it's uh Yeah, it's smaller like it's smaller old old city too. It's like a thousand years old or some shit They're like castles onto the castle. Yeah, that used to be the former capital. It's like 750k I'm like half polish my mom's whole side's polish So it was interesting to see we have like relatives out there and shit still but the women are amazing I mean you go there these women are hot. They're young. They speak multiple languages They don't have this bad attitude. They're feminine educated There's hot hot smart girls. I feel like in the u.s. They like push all the the hot girls away from because it's it's such negative social repercussions I remember I was in like math league and chess club and playing the violin in the orchestra And once girls started getting tits and getting hot All the hot girls like ran away as far as they could from academia And it was like it was cool to skip class and cool to be a degenerate And like and the ugly tricks didn't care, right? So, you know, not sound fucking sexist But in American culture drives a lot of the hot chicks away from, you know, intellectual pursuits Whereas in europe, they think it's cool to be smart Yeah, so you you meet these like my my girlfriend brazil as an engineer Right like she comes on the channel and and and guys are like, oh like she must be High maintenance because she's hot and you know, but she's super cool. There's like tons of chemistry She's an engineer so you can you can have like the full package girl and they like surprise surprise they can be hot Right, so That but yeah, I guess they answer that question when we can jump on the next one um It you know, I was driven a lot by the you know the the fucking childhood verbal abuse like of course Like there was some need for external validation there. I'm not gonna again didn't deny that But I you know for it could be way higher. I'll put it that way like I I kept the quality very high I have lots of proof of that guys think that I must have just like plowed through lots of fatties If it's so high, that's not the case it keeping the quality high is simply, you know Whatever the bar is seven five or eight You don't put uh, you don't put girls in the funnel that are below that So you don't cold approach girls below that you don't swipe on girls blow that on the apps And that's how you quality control and so you but if you're in a place that Where the bell curve shifts and most of them are hot and plus most of my ladies are from america Like for the record guys are like, oh, you're just rack up ladies in third world countries I've been in brazil one year. I was in poland for about a year But you know when I arrived in poland I was at like 900 and most of most of the ladies were from from the u.s so um But yeah, we can we can jump into the next question Well, here's yeah, it brings to mind the things you're talking about here So my experience I like to hear what you think about this in the manisphere even since 2000 the 2000s the pickup community When that was kind of the more dominant Center of the manisphere I've noticed it and the rsd guys were really bad with this too They say they bang like eights and nines or sevens or whatever and then you meet the girl Oh, yeah, and it's not that They they they embellished this shit to ridiculous levels. They bang they bang fours and fives and they call it sevens and eights Yeah, and sometimes there's lying sometimes they actually believe it though And yeah, it's like yeah, bro. You're delusional. So let's what's that was your experience That was the purpose of showing the girlfriends in the wipes, right? Did you see that video because I probably did Yeah, and you know a lot with the ones I saw you fucking nailed it. I know Yeah, so it's like here like dude, I've met some I've met some of these women some of them They're grosser than they're grosser than you realize dude. I've met them. Yeah. No, I'm I'm well I'm well aware But it's it's it's a disgrace and all this like Defense that they must have 10 personalities get the fuck out of here, right? Like even if that were true and that's just a cope cognitive distance rationalization Even if that were true, she's still ugly Like and I don't care if that sounds shallow or sexist Like don't be a fucking dating guru and and bang on an ugly wife or an ugly girlfriend Like get it get it the fuck together I tell I use the analogy if a guy was giving like a talk at a make money online conference And he's like here's my bank account. It's under a hundred dollars Okay, but by the way now I'm gonna teach you how to make a shit ton of money Right, like who the fuck would want to listen to that, right? But but You just describe like 90 of internet marketing people selling like honey shit. That's how that shit works. It's crazy Yeah, but but the reality is like like continue to use that analogy Instead of showing the bank account with a hundred dollars, which is what I'm doing when I expose these guys Is they're saying oh, I make millions of dollars Yeah, I make millions of dollars all the time and then what that does is it makes people actually pay them So that they can get the millions of dollars, right? Like max hires these girls for lifestyle shoot jason capitol was found out by manhore to be hiring girls $400 to come be part of a lifestyle shoot He puts Is an old speaker a 21 convention from way back I lived with manhore. I actually got him arrested for assault in 2013. Oh my god Whoa, I haven't talked to him in a long time. I was not aware of this Jesus I moved he hit me up like back when I was like coming up in the forums He's like dude. I think you might be the best guy in the world of this stuff He's he's like I want you to come and live with me in vegas and I was like, you know I thought he was cool at that time And this and that and and we lived together and then he kind of I was like out shining him And he's like I'm supposed to be the best guy in vegas I don't like I was getting a lot of attention and we had a falling out and then you know It kind of like escalated escalated and then he actually hit me in a casino and but he had been like Put piling on numerous threats for weeks and months trying to terrorize my life And so when he hit me when he hit me in an area with can't with a camera And they came in the security saw it and they're like you want to press charges And I only press charge not to be a fucking dick. That's not my nature But just to fucking end the terrorization Right and then surprise surprise two weeks later. Derek money bird comes to town Hey, I'm in town. Don't anybody know I'm here and I get arrested. Okay And that's the only arrest I've ever had in my life and that fucking destroyed my entire reputation And it's a whole nother fucking story But everything points to a setup and the key witness in that in that case was found dead 28 year old And in these motherfuckers like I'm very you know, I don't want to get into different legal aspects on the channel But I'm Let's just say that You know That was a setup and they're still they're still out free walking around free damn There's a question You fucked over a thousand women the 1321 is the number, right? Yep the hell of a number 21 is a great number at the end of that Um, thank the girl from last night for that one. That was yeah, it slowed way down because I I'm living with a girl. I'm normally with a lot. We have like nine girls in threesome rotation I've got 15 regulars on the side for when I'm one stuff and there's three hot girls living in the house Let's on demand threesome to four sums But the girls in the house know that I have my own side shit and I have the threesome rotation and my girl That's picked up with me. So it's kind of the whole the best of all worlds here They probably figure this out when they meet you. I mean, this is like the sniff it on you They smell they smell the vagina juice on you. This is a woman. All right. They smell it. They smelled a mile away Yeah, I hear that on first dates. I get branded as a big player right away I don't I don't talk about many a lot of girls to these chicks when they ask them Seeing people I tell them I'm always busy with work, which is technically true And you know the the frame is always I don't think it's good to put out a fuckboy frame to these girls If they ask me how many girls have been with I say, I don't keep track Uh, probably like 15 to 12. I just give them the acceptable standard answer, right? That's exactly what a fuckboy would do though. They know that they're like, oh this guy knows Yeah, bragging stupid. Yeah This is great. What was the question? Well, you had a question tied to that Yeah, my question is you fucked over a thousand women What are some of the craziest stories like maybe top one or two that you can share on the air? Because obviously look at that many women. There's probably stuff you can't share. I know I have stories like that I'm writing. Yeah, I'm writing a book. I'll put it this way. Like it was it was like living like a rock star I lived I lived in all like the party cities around the world Um, I got connected up with a lot of the best guys in the game, which You know, this sounds arrogant all the stuff, but I still see myself very far ahead of of almost everybody else There's the next best guys I know in the game have real accounts of Around like six to seven hundred now, so I'm almost like double the you know And that's not to say there's not guys with higher accounts on that There's plenty plenty of celebrities and athletes and stuff like that, but guys are like Have you heard of rotiss? Jared Dwyer Yeah Yeah, he's fucked about as many women as you have he's an awesome dude an old friend of mine An old speaker actually a 21 convention. Yeah, he kept the exact track Uh, I don't know if he kept the exact track But I saw him go down 50 women in six months at my house together That's solid. Yeah, it's a beast last I checked in was in like 2016 and he was like seven 800 So he was uh, he's he's he reminds me a lot. You and him would get along. I think in real life really well I don't know He's probably a little bit older than you probably like 39 at this point I think that's kind of he's older than me by a while. I yeah, I don't I don't doubt it's been a lot But anyone that wasn't keeping exact track usually there's like vast overestimate overestimations is what I've found in most cases like Like guys a lot of guys because it seems like you you've banged the shit ton, right? Like but if you know unless you know this guy This guy really has like he uh, I saw him out with my own eyes like 50 of them in six months Yeah, link link me up. I'm always curious to come up with those guys. I'll say these speeches He's he's fucking savage man, but I don't know if you I think are good I just from what I'm getting I suspect you are good at coaching like you're saying And it's a rare talent to have both to be able to mow down that money woman with that much focus The thing is methodology to it too. Yeah, the yeah The thing is I'm like a hyper analytical machine like like my big interests outside of pickup Are like health and longevity optimization um Like nanotechnology artificial intelligence robotics molecular biology genetics Um, you know all these all these super quantum physics I'm really into all that like the singularity like the technological singularity with advanced artificial intelligence overtaking This is I'm still deep down like a super closet nerd, right? But I love optimizing systems, right in this You know poker and chess were very very fun to optimize, but nothing beats the game, right? The with real life interactions where the reward is hot chicks and in vagina and like, you know A lot of that's what I was trying to allude to before is there's so many stories I'm writing a book There's so many stories like almost every night out as an adventure like when you're going even if you don't get laid There's usually some kind of fucking crazy shit that happens Um If I had to think of it's it's hard to pinpoint you're just looking for like shock value or like outrageous Yeah, just outrageous shit. I mean you've been through a lot I I've no doubt it's talking to you like a lot of shit So what is maybe like one or two stories that are fucking nuts? What are they gonna read in your book for example? um Let's see So Yeah, a lot a lot of crazy shit happened in vegas when I lived in vegas in 2013 It's because basically like, you know nothing nobody it's like the city never sleeps It's just off like mayhem at all hours Um, there's a lot of crazy shit That happened there. Um The kind of I went I tried to like max out like see what I could do in a weekend. I went to trawlston um south carolina south yeah south carolina uh What must have been January of last year right so january 2020 And I I like switched my tinder To the city beforehand and I was like, all right. I'm gonna see like how many I can physically bang in a weekend Right and so I I I went there and we also hit clubs and like I did a lot of a lot of approaching and stuff like that And it was just like balls to wall I try to get most of them to just come straight to the hotel and like just just really like trying to max out as like a Test and in three days, and I'm getting 18 lates right and I have a whole video about it like detailing at all Jesus if you jump on my channel again the 18 and three days Which would you have a vagrant shit or just going or like I was just going on the only the only thing I do for like sexual Performer I've actually never tried vagracialis just because of the negative health aspects Uh, just maca right so so I take I take typically like This one's a 750 but usually it's usually it's a 500 gram dose I take like two of those in the morning and then I take two more between Every round of or not every round every girl so like between every New girl but you you can you know you can without any problems shoot like 10 plus loads a day like It basically I'm sure you know, but it it increases libido Strength things like erection strength um decreases recovery time Increases stamina, etc. So I'm 37 right in it. I actually just started TRT like two years ago the testosterone replacement just because my values were like upper 200s at that time and I think I I honestly probably fucked my endocrine system from Uh, just all the nights there was so many late nights in the club And I was like binge drinking for 15 years. I quit drinking about a year and a half ago now But I was I was in the clubs binge drinking I was I was you know, I was going as hard as I could with the game For for many periods of my life where I was sacrificing sleep and nutrition and all those other things so my testosterone was like At one point was the level of like a almost a 90 year old man. So um, I that's why I started the testosterone replacement but, uh We have a question from the audience here. We can head actually from James Neil How do you protect from stds? And I've heard you've had a vasectomy too. Is that true? Yeah, I got I got a vasectomy in 2014. I got three girls pregnant in 2014 a uh I don't have any kids I know but I got a Czechoslovakian girl pregnant We went like eight or 10 rounds like in a Basically one night stand environment then she like ghosted randor club like two months later And so I got pregnant. I didn't know how to tell you I was really You know, it was like a traumatic thing I but I got an abortion already then I got this Ethiopian girl pregnant And she had an abortion and then I got a Peruvian girl pregnant that same year And she wanted to keep the kid And it was like a month of like, you know, very stressful arguing back and forth And she finally got an abortion and I was like, I don't know if enough is enough. This is irresponsible And uh, there's a lot of myths around vasectomies. Most people think it's a permanent thing Or that there's gonna it's gonna make you less of a man or something like that All it does is permanently block the vast deference not permanently it's reversible That's like the other thing so it can be reversed But you can also freeze sperm and your sperm is more vital when you're younger So I froze sperm when I when I did it at 2014. So I have sperm from when I was 30 and um It's you still produce sperm. It just doesn't go into your semen and your semen is like five percent sperm So it's still it's like the same loads like your libidos say everything's the same It's just like a a foolproof condom, right? So Um, I do tend to go raw with a lot of the girls, but that being said, I've only got chlamydia three times and nothing else So chlamydia And none of the three times was with their symptoms It was just caught with routine testing and it was gone in one week with a zithromax pill And like really the biggest effect it had was having to tell the rotation and You know, whoever wasn't seen Whoever was whoever was just seeing me then they knew it came from me and you know that that would cause some problems I'm understanding and my understanding std is are obviously a serious thing, but they're way overblown Like way way way overblown Yeah, I have a whole video about it on my channel where I go through all the statistics Basically, everything's curable except for aids and herpes HIV is is largely in the gay community in the drug using community from, you know, unprotected anal sex So basically if you're not if you're not doing unprotected anal And you're not hanging around with drug users the odds are extremely low that you're going to ever catch hiv You know that being said there are there are things that prevent hiv as well There's there's a daily thing you can take that that prevents it With with herpes the vast majority of the population has it and never shows symptoms So, you know, there's all different kinds of variations of that But like I have a couple of vans friends in the game that caught herpes and they just take Whatever the fucking herpes medication is they just take that like you can take a preventative dose So you never have an outbreak. So I think scds are like extremely extremely overrated Not to say that they don't exist and this and that and You know, the kind of the counter argument could be like, oh, well It's irresponsible to be passing like, you know, if you're asymptomatic like, you know, how a lot of people have hpv But it's not as dangerous for a man like I have to there's no way to check it though if you're a man, right? There's no test for it. That's No, there is Like there's certain strains that they can test for like like they found that I have that as well but I think it's like 80 90 of people have it and That like if that's passed to a woman like she can potentially get cervical cancer But women can get checkups and stuff like that for polyps and this and that so You know, most guys think just just due to misinformation That of a sex to me is permanent and that if you have unprotected sex that you're going to just You know get some crazy thing and and it's going to be like the other thing They also think condoms are like perfect that they protect you from everything which is not even which is not true You can get herpes from a girl's leg If you she has that on her fucking leg and you rub against her leg, that's it's skin to skin It's not like dick to vagina They think condoms are like bulletproof and it's not even remotely like that But then at the same time std is overblown. So it's this fucking this cloud of clusterfuck the misinformation I'll put it this way Most of the advanced guys I know like like 400 or 600 count range guys Most of us called her or not herpes. Um, what the fuck's it called the Chlamydia two to Like seven times one of my friends called like seven times So it's that seems to be like the main one. It's a common. Yeah. Yeah, I had a buddy We were on like a we're we're running a tour. We did like vegas like a bootcamp tour. We did like vegas la miami Uh new york and london and we we bought in vegas. We went to um, you know, we did this in in uh in la we went to uh The fucking clinic together because we were both getting like chlamydia like Or you know, we we thought we had chlamydia. We just got the shot anyways because we had an std test like six months But we like did a whole video on it But that's that's really like the main the main one and it it's it's like we're it's like less than like a common cold basically, it's you know because it's It's gone in a week. You take one pill. It's gone in a week, right? So maybe and usually don't have symptoms from it so yeah This is fun, man. This is great. I think a lot of guys this is a window into what it's actually like to be a player And in the mana sphere, it's hard to find this like most guys don't You're you're savage and um, this is what it's like when you live this life and people need to see it They need to understand it. I think it's so few it's so few and far between it's very very few and far between I think I can count the number of extremely good guys on one hand Someone said what what about hepatitis c? Um, I think there's a vaccination for that And that's what um, um, Tommy lea Yeah, Pamela and Pamela Anderson caught Um, I'm not super familiar with it. It's definitely dangerous, but I think there's the treatments for it I've been getting a lot better in recent years. I'm not 100 people can look that up And and as I know and god forbid, you know, I ever do catch hiv or something like this But um, I had a friend an Italian friend who did like a phd on hiv And this was back in like 2012 and he's like, let me put it this way He's like you were to catch hiv You're gonna live a long healthy life He's like they simply live even longer longer than most regular people First of all the treatment stuff is so good now and second of all the um The person's like extra health conscious not that I would ever want it But if you look at the real stats Unless you're you're doing wrong. I'm protected anal sex. It's it's it's even if you bang someone like vaginally that has it I'm protected. It's like incredibly incredibly unlikely to get it Yeah, and just to be clear. We're not doctors in this show. This is not medical advice It's just uh information and discussion. So I'm not legally liable for any this shit Yeah, a good point though magic johnson's at hiv for 30 years Yeah, I'll try to pass on that like I've banged about 10 of what you've banged and I'm pretty happy with that being in triple digits I don't have any desire to hit four digits. That's champion level. Shit. That's like legend. Shit. Legend status legit I respect to that but if I end up banging, you know 187 women in my lifetime or 212 Or something like that. It's it's I'm fine with that. I want to build a family So my goals are maybe a little bit different than yours. I don't know if you have I don't have I don't have a big lay counter as a goal Anyway, like there's that's kind of a miss a misinterpretation like I did have I did have a hundred as a goal like back in the day And I thought that was like impossible as a lifetime goal because it you know, it's all relative It seems like a very daunting number, but now I was the average american man has a lake seven seven It's crazy seven over a fucking lifetime Seven you've banged more than that in a weekend. Yeah, that's hysterical It's sad And we're not meant to be monogamous I talk about this on my channel all the time like only five percent of mammals are monogamous I've I've read extensive amounts in neuroscience and cognitive science books Just because I almost did a phd in cognitive science And they they say in the neuroscience books that there's Anatomical proof that homo sapiens are not meant to be monogamous They found that in certain species of monkeys There's they're wired to be monogamous and they fuck with that part of the brain And it goes off and starts mating with everyone else What they found is a natural state for homo sapiens is we're supposed to have one main partner in a bunch of side Partners, so kind of what you see with like animal kingdoms like in the tribes where you have the alpha leader and he bangs all the Females in the tribe. That's how it's supposed to be for us But the church in the state came along and said all we can control people easier and familial units And so you guys should all be pressured to get married, right? And that's why the divorce rates are so high That's why people are all cheating and that's why I don't I don't think ever want to get married or go down that fucking road It's a nightmare and you look at any like 70 year old man that's been in love For 40 or 50 years and he's still going to go check out that 18 year old With you know at the hot body walking on the street. That's who he'd rather be And uh in a generalized sense, you know, I don't disagree because it's super dangerous, especially today I mean men are getting divorced raped, you know, Kanye West is about to get divorce raped You know, I saw that Jeff Bezos, you know CEO of amazon is about to retire from CEO whatever but that dude lost billions Mackenzie. Yeah, Mackenzie Bezos is the richest woman in the world right now Just go to that and what did she do? She didn't earn shit. She just stole it I mean, it's it's fucking billions. We're not just, you know, thousands hundreds of thousands or millions I know guys personally that have lost 500,000 million dollars in a divorce And that that's brutal, but you know billions like holy fuck like it doesn't even matter who you are You can be the richest man in the world. It doesn't matter. You could fuck Yeah, what's what's even more messed up is like like kind of like the justice aspect of it Like I know of a story my uncle's friend um, he basically He uh, he like, you know worked really hard He was like the sole breadwinner in the family. The wife was staying home with the kids He like Provided them with this really nice house sent the daughter like a good school all this shit The wife was banging some dude behind his back, right? He comes home early from work He catches them in bed together She divorces him. She gets the whole house She gets most custody of the kid and the kid is like dating like drug dealers and shit And he's like, I don't want her doing that and she's like, fuck you. What are you gonna do? and she gets Uh payments from the dude and he didn't do anything wrong This was this was awesome. I mean she did but she took the house the custody of the kids and ruined his life And he has to keep and he has to continue to pay her and she's getting like a lot of money from the new guy Dude, I live in florida in florida. They have lifetime alimony same with california lifetime forever It almost got changed a couple years ago, but then it failed at the last minute the governor vetoed it or something rick scott back in the day loser But uh, no and a lot of states in america. It's not every state but a lot of states have lifetime alimony other states 10 20 years Whatever, it's crazy, but even lifetime man. It's like fucking slavery You're in a dentured servitude to some bitch who stole half your shit And then you're gonna pay her for the privilege of fucking her 20 years ago forever like it's insane Absolutely the same with child support my best friend in college He had a one night stand with a chick that was like a little busted. He was wasted Chick said she's on the pill and it's okay to come inside. He comes inside Five years later him and I were on a trip in london on a vacation. He gets an email Oh, I had the kid don't worry. I'm not gonna come out to you for child sport We get back how that ended up he gets a court order dna tested matches the judge orders five four years whatever four five years back Child support and he's got to pay payments until the kids 21 Yep, so any and he's never met the kid never wants to she's raising with another dude It's just like a 25 doc in his income for 21 years Yeah from a from a one night stand And guys like well, but I don't want a vasectomy it takes 15 to 20 minutes It's a local anesthetic with a micro incision. There's no like no pain There's minor discomfort You know after the procedure for like up to a week who gives a shit And it's like under a thousand dollars or like free with insurance Honestly, I'm a little more uh, I I do something similar. I don't use I don't have vasectomy, but I'm kind of more, uh Already called like a wild gun with it So I use I call it plan a and uh, it's plan b But they eat it beforehand you give it to them beforehand and it has like a really high It's a really high success rates over 95% use correctly I think the way I'm using it's even now, you know guys, this is not medical advice, but I think it's even more effective So for now, that's that's usually what I do because I don't trust them and oh, they're on they're on the pill I don't fucking know you like, you know, this first second time I fucked you like I don't trust you If they can show me the exact pill thing Maybe I'll trust them that one night, but I still that I get amazon.com all day long plan b You know fucking dirt cheap. It's 10 15 bucks and it's fun Yeah, yeah, and the game changes even further like, um, you know in brazil and poland for instance It's illegal to have an abortion So right, you know and guys that are trying to like the pullout thing like like sometimes you you can fucking start coming before You even have the sensation You know, or even pre-com is permanent pre-com Yeah, with repeated rounds. There's like still shit. Yeah, it's the condoms break like the condoms fall off It's it's to me. It's fucking stupid why why why people aren't massed doing vasectomy and mostly because it's misinformation Most people think well, I want to have a family someday. Oh surprise surprise Not only can you serve a family but you can preserve your sperm when it's at its healthiest level before there's more like genetic damage And there's so much stupidity and misinformation out there. It's it's insane now with vasectomies though I understand the sperm is pretty reliable, uh, freezing it, but is the reversal 100% I've heard it's not a hundred percent my my doctor that I went to one of the top doctors in us He's his reversal rates 97% Okay, and he said he said he can reverse it any time But if you free sperm then you can just use the the frozen sperm which if I were to ever have kids Which i'm Leaning towards a no, but if I ever do want to have kids I would do the thing of playing god I don't believe in god anyways But I would I would match up like a sperm egg pair that had the most desirable first of all you can you can weed out You know genetic diseases and so you can weed out down syndrome and not you know these other different syndromes But you can also choose the height you can see 3d models of the face across its whole life It's all information and being coated in the genetics. You can know its voice tone You you can like literally it's like bill the bear But you can I stay up to date on a lot of these genetics things You can you can literally choose like which combination has all the stuff that you want So I'd rather do that than roll the dice, you know, and and then maybe end up with a kid that has, you know, a big problem You know, so I think that's the smarter move All right, well put Uh, so here's a question is something kind of uh general, but I really want to hear your thoughts on it What are some of the main reasons the core reasons that men today suck with women? Not just in the hemisphere where it's filled with like you have guys who are damaged You have these frauds teaching bullshit. So there's a whole cluster of fucking there We can get to that But even just in general American dudes, why do American men suck with women today? They're having less sex than they've ever had. There's more betas than ever I mean, you this is not like a secret. So Like what are some of the main reasons for that today and like how does that relate to what you teach? Well our generation like we had, you know, it's like in fight club We have no fucking great war Men are men are not working with their hands like they used to Lots of men have become very soft The women have become like extremely empowered and are walking all over them and guys aren't standing up for themselves A lot of guys have poor male role models growing up, right? So they they don't know what it what it means to be a man They haven't had to you know, put in blood sweat and tears like our grandfathers and shit Or you know, a lot of them were we're doing hard labor jobs working long hours Fucking, you know, walking to you know, all kinds of hardships being endured and guys nowadays like our inconvenience Like getting off the fucking couch to go microwave a meal or something, right? So it's I talk extensively in my channel about how a lot of guys are pussies and don't stand up for themselves Like a lot of guys couldn't last in a fight a lot of guys Just let people walk all over them and yeah, of course the these role models they have are You know in the same boat the same beta fucking boat proclaiming to be these master alpha like like rsc tyler is my favorite example This is about like he's like the classic stereotype about as beta the guys you can get That's like putting on like the most full try hard Attempt to be the coolest guy ever and just failing like flat failing Like the camo the camo shirt and like the indoor sunglasses and the dog chains the dog tag Shit and like rocking flannel shirts and he thinks this that is massive charisma To this cult following that he's like massively misled with countless lies and building of a facade Um, you know replaces But he's basically he's only alpha to them and only through a delusion right girls see right through that shit I have videos where i'm like hey and it's not staged either I'm like hey look at this guy in a video for a few seconds. Tell me your thoughts And I I've I've been with him in person and I've asked the girls like done little like surveys with the girl Not not like, you know, what do you think of this dude? Gay weird creepy like super cringe like awkward Ugly like, you know Just all the most like he's worse than most students and he's running around like proclaiming to be the ultimate pickup artist And the ultimate coach and the ultimate master And he's like the biggest fucking loser like like far more of a loser than most of these guys he's teaching charisma does not You know It does not make up for like these massive beta traits across the board Right, but guys take him as a role model and they want to be like him and you know Obviously, you see the result of that in my in my 10 years of coaching I never got on the phone with a guy that said he got good from rsc teaching. It's never happened They're they're the worst guys like I really have a lot of rsc guys. They're the worst They're I've seen the most person. They're the most popular and they guys like why still hate on them. You've said enough Well, they were rsc is collapsed. They're gone real social dynamics.com is dead the whole what literally the whole thing is collapsed That's not true though. They're still running. They're still have bootcamp schedules packed all year A lot of this is a marketing boy. We're done with pick up. They're still teaching dating courses all the time They're they're still branding it repackaging it exactly All they're doing is they're they're branching out to a bigger audience to scam Now they're labeling it charisma training with jeffie High status communication with oan which jason capitol took that scam route julian is a transformation coach right the guy that had like massive drug problems that you know melted on cnn Like a giant pussy and the cognitive distance there guys say oh he did that all as an act to gain to publicity No, he crumbled like a weak fucking beta pussy, right? And then I showed us showed his wife That's like a six and he's putting out a product called 10 game Which was the website's my game is a 10.com and I make the joke my wife is a six dot com Right and and you have and you have these guys and then they proclaim Like even myron gains in the red pill world. Yeah, i'm running through all these nines and tens I have an email that I showed in a video that he emailed to me personally Hey, I banged between four and eight quality. First of all, he's slamming out fours, which is disgusting Second of all if the ceiling is an eight, there's no nine's and tens It's all a full fabrication Here's the theory I have on this if you'd maybe comment on it I think what guys do if they're not just outright fucking lying and you know delusional bullshit I think what they do is they consider a 10 the absolute peak of what they can bang on their best day of the year So if the if the best I can do is a seven or a 7.5 That's their 10 So then when they fuck sevens, they're really like a four, you know what I mean? So I think that they create like this art of like a glass ceiling like for feminist bullshit They have like a glass ceiling of a 10, but it's really like a seven and then anything above seven doesn't even exist to them It's like a lot of like ghosts a lot of its image too Like like the extremely abbreviated version of I when I took that tyler in top bootcamp I like absolutely destroyed on the third night and tyler brought me to the front of the room Like we've never seen anything like this this guy like tore it up all and that was only at like 103 counter, you know at that time It's 10x now And and he told a story to everyone How he had just gotten a number off a girl that he claims is one of the hottest girls he's ever met in the game That was like a full-blown 10. He said like top three hottest girls he's ever seen Long story short I memorized the phone number off of his phone because he had it open next to me And I waited till he left town and I was respectful and I asked Todd. Did he bang that girl? No, they never met up Okay, I texted her said hey, I'm friends with Owen. I'm new to Philadelphia Etc. Flirting got her to agree to a meet and I'm like send me a picture yourself Six max probably below six the very busting very gross and this is saying top three best in the top three hottest in the world, right? but What story what story she taught what why shouldn't these internet marketers say 87 percent of the people get three sums What sounds better? So they're just operating under what sounds the best I've never lied about any result. I've never fucking faked an infield I've never told any story when you have real game when you have real skills You can fucking back up everything and that's like that's why I take this so seriously because you can really do that kind of Legendary stuff and it can be real Right, but you have all these clowns that have made it into a disgrace It's basically what jake paul's doing in the fighting world It's like at least he's training to be a boxer and that's what's even better than what these guys are doing Imagine the guy had like, you know, no no training whatsoever And he's coming in and saying like yeah, I'm better than I'm better than all these fighters, right? That's what that's what tyler's doing. He's disgracing the game. He's setting the community backwards That's the most these guys are doing. They're they're proclaiming to be the ultimate man I think what's happened is it created this huge cloud of such systemic fraud that that's like the norm Like most of the most of the dating coaches and most of the pickup artists over 20 years now This has been going on. It's just fraud. It's rampant really fucking bad Most guys heads would explode if they knew directly firsthand like what you do Like you're saying this and they're trying to analyze what you're saying Is this guy telling the truth? Is he not I think you are I think you're being dead eyes serious dead pan It's not it's not even just an opinion. I show all the proof and all those videos I show they don't want to they'll look at it. They don't want to believe it though They'll they'll make it like you're saying the cognitive dissonance the excuses or rationalizations. Oh, we photoshopped it That's not real. That's fake. They said they'll make like for especially for the rsd guys. It's a cult They can't get out of it. So they'll make any excuse they can to defend their little older god These guys all have daddy issues basically and mommy issues You're going after basically their god and you're so you're fucking with like the religion in a sense. Yeah, that's it Yeah, that's exactly right Yeah, now you mentioned by the way, myron gains. I met that guy He was uh, he kind of attended for free 21 convention. I let him attend like her last day He came with another speaker And uh, just someone you know I knew and I thought he was kind of retarded not not like as an insult Like I thought he was like mentally retarded a little bit Just Because he would he would like blow up my phone like harass me Trying to get me to teach him a bootcamp for like 500 bucks And I was like, no dude and he wouldn't stop and I and I was texting my friend alex From playing with fire who lives in Miami. I'm like, what's the fucking deal with this dude? He's so fucking weird and cringe and he's like, oh my god And this was like a couple years ago and um a year and a half ago and now he's like blowing up right but Which basically just they've recycled a whole bunch of content like a bunch of my own content A bunch of alex's content and other guys con like modern life dating this fucking idiot Oh, yeah, he's literally a product copycat machine. I'm gonna go through in detail I my assistant's working on it for like two to three months Now see I I thought he was stealing his body language course from Joe Navarro FBI agent No, he stole it from uh player supreme who's who's now dead Yeah, so that makes all more sense to me though because he's actually you're saying what he's now from what I understand He's actually because I thought he was stealing it from these famous print books on body language Joe Navarro There's all kinds of these famous books on body language some of them which are pretty good But you're saying actually directly rips off a product and this kind of imports it and oh, yeah Yes, that's great. That's crazy. I put out a chrono pick a product I drove in like innovations that I created like like stuff that no one's ever talked about that I literally came up with he bought it with his he's an idiot He bought it with modern life dating at gmail.com Refunded it and then put out a product shortly after that said pandemic pickup That had all my own original novel concepts in there that only I had talked about And then and then he claims like oh the login didn't work And ps the product was trash and obviously those things can't coexist And obviously these things that directly came from my course from my novel ideas were stolen And then he he stole the product off a dead guy player supreme So my assistant with so many people emailed me shit and it's such a waste of time But my assistant's been building like this whole thing He was like a cab driver who was teaching english and was like almost arrested for an airbnb scam like a year and a half ago Hey, my run was nobody too and these guys and this comes from friends inside their circle They're like, hey, here's a thought. Why don't we just make a whole ton of money? Just copying a whole bunch of content from other guys And just pushing it to the red pill community and in rolo tamasi endorses him role as a fucking retard too Yeah, let's let's talk let's talk about rolo a little bit whenever you're ready Okay. Yeah, we'll jump into that in a second So so what these guys have done is they've repackaged multiple of my products Alex from playing the fire's products this player supreme guys product And they don't and what they they're kind of going in suit with derrick moneyberg Where they have these webinar these these webinar things I have guys emailing me extensive reports. There's no game training There's no business training that all they're doing is upselling more of their courses So they've taken a unique scam route of instead of just generating scam content They're just copying other people's content. They're not good with girls. They're not good with that That's crossing the line from scam to theft like that's actually a tough and you could sue them for that I know but he's in Japan somebody sent me his address in japan I'm not going to go like fucking doxymanship, but I might serve him with a lawsuit in japan Yeah, it's a good idea. He's an american citizen and you could sue him probably in federal court And uh, they'd be able to go after him through that state court You'd have a hard time, but federal court you could do it that way And I have there's lawyers actively compiling shit against derrick moneyberg against max big class action lawsuits because What you what you have is you have a repeated pattern where there's multiple victims here all willing to testify That were taken advantage of through fraud through coercive predatory lending through high pressure sales tactics They're literally i'm getting emails there. There's a whole bunch of guys that are having literal mental breakdowns Okay, like this this is where it's fucking crossing the line That it's crossed the line a long time ago But literally guys that are they're signing guys up for for big loans and credit cards that they can't afford to pay back And they know that and they're signing them up and Extracting as much money as they can all the courses are designed to upsell other courses and extract as much money as possible rst's been doing this Derek's been doing this max has been doing this And they deliver nothing the only goal is to empty your pockets and get you to refer as many people as possible And when they've emptied your pockets get you to take out as much credit as you can And if you don't want to they're going to shame you they're going to call you a loser and a fucking nobody And i've dude i've heard so much it goes way deeper than than i had any idea this this gets like ultra ultra dark A black dude, let me let me pause on this because i have more connections than mana sphere to than anyone by far My like i don't have 10 000 movement on my phone have a couple thousand But in terms of actual connections and relationships and first name basis stuff And the shit that i hear through the grapevine i'm at the center of everything And i verify and come back like 99 to 100 of what you're saying. I don't agree with every single person Every single thing you've said but the the fundamentals of what you're saying are true It's a really dark fucked up path and the average guy isn't aware of this And if the average guy was in the mana sphere heads would explode like they really their whole life their whole life What you're doing is basically the red pill for the mana sphere It's the red pill that the whole the whole a lot of the mana sphere is very very blue pill These fucking beta losers that pretend to be fucking masters with women and these guys are like absolute losers. They're anti social weirdos Yeah, you know rola tamas is a great example that this guy's a massive My sister met uh rola one time and after for the first time after she met him right after he left at my house She was like that guy's like an alien And she's just my sister's very kind of we're close. So i'm like yeah He's like He's just fucking super weird and people think this guy like tyler is a massive player and dude rola couldn't get late of his life Defended on it. So yeah, i say with tyler. Yeah, it's this fucking massive scam. It's so fucked It's it's so ultra fucked like yeah, it's really dark fucked up world, man I've had i've had to like painfully watch this like imagine you have like What i consider by far to be the best system in the world right and i've proven it for myself I've proven it for all for these i've coached thousands of guys in over the years You know, my business does very well even though my channel is smaller Guys know like almost every guy that comes to me Hey, I can tell you're like one of the only authentic dating coaches or the only authentic dating coach I I often hear you and playing with fire are the are the only guys that are Giving practical advice that don't seem full of shit that are doing stuff that i've applied in that it works Like surprise prize like there's an actual method to the madness. There's this is actually a skill game You can actually apply strategy and get results So like who would have thought right guys that want to get better with women can Follow a system and get better with women very quickly like what a fucking concept, right? but You know, we don't have we don't have this giant fucking presence And the marketing wins at the end of the day So these guys that have just blasted paid traffic these guys that have You know that are that are building these fake instagrams and all this stuff and and they buy fake followers Fucking I showed with social blade Derek Moneyberg saying went from a hundred followers Of april last year to now he has over half a million Right and I showed I showed exactly direct proof. This is all bought followers You know, but what are you gonna do? They're still they're still like massively They've got people defending him that these posters all over guys walls It's that as fuck Watch this shit and it's disgusting for I'm in the exact same but I really you're taking the words right out of my mouth man I love it. I've done the best I can to make this community the best I can and for doing that you get hate people hate you for it They hate you for doing the right thing They hate you for standing up for things they hate you for standing up principle They hate you for combating fraud to actually unite the manisphere They actually do the unite the community and make it a more positive place That has there will always be fraud in any industry like it's not possible to have zero percent There's no fucking way But the manisphere I think I'm in the dating coach industry and the pickup artist community There's a really heavy presence of it. That's abnormal Other than every, you know, the fitness industry has a bunch of scams health industry all this stuff, right? But the pickup stuff I think in particular is really fucked. It's almost everyone. Almost everyone. Yeah It's massive, man You know, one of the things I do, I mean, Rolo is a former speaker of my convention This is not a secret the most the highest viewed video in the world of Rolo Tomasi is a speech at 21 convention And I can't vet everyone who speaks to my convention to the tea. That's not possible Yeah, I just have to take chances sometimes, right? These guys have the reputation. They're known I'm like, all right. Here's a stage. It's a platform. You can go speak You know speak your piece and I'm going to film it high quality and put on the internet forever People are going to get to judge that watch that and learn from you or say hey This is a bunch of bullshit and comment about it So I in my vision too for 21 convention, you know, I love my speaker is the vast majority of them But there's a few bad apples and I think that the videos and speeches are a good way to illustrate It's like a window to their soul, right? What are the the old saying is like, you know, the picture is the window to the soul I think video is at times 10 so it really shows long term as the time goes on and the bullshit comes out People like you calling these guys out. They can go back to these speeches not just little podcast videos in some basement Right, but real speeches in public. Like what is this guy actually saying? Who is this man? How does he behave in front of a camera? How does he behave in front of a live audience? It's not quite as good as like infield stuff, obviously But it's uh, it's a window to who they are And every time my hope is that the frauds get they get found out and they get called out I can't do all of it neither can you but you're doing good work, man Yeah, and what's cool is like, you know, I'm in with those guys, uh, spencer cornelia and coffee zilla And they're and they're starting to pick some of the stuff too. They're they're blasting Derek and julian Um, you know, they just put up a whole thing showing how like julian's doing massive scamming They're putting stuff up on max and Derek so so even like the more mainstream guys are starting to push this stuff out too um You know and on that note with the convention we can talk offline, but I'd love to be a speaker at the At the next one if you have if you have availability. I definitely have availability and you can definitely be a speaker. Welcome to the club Yeah, we talked about it a couple years ago. I think briefly, um, I think you're accounting and getting banned or something on facebook but It's I've been doing it. It's the 15 year anniversary this year and you're more than welcome to come speak Nice, uh, it's a neutral platform. You can say what you want. It's a switzerland of the manisphere And uh, it goes on youtube so you have to keep that in mind. I can't control the platform there, obviously But speak your mind man. Do your thing, you know, it's uh, it's ted talks for You know people like us people that are hated by the mainstream hated by feminists and shit Is it in person this year? Is it it's gonna be virtual? Oh always in person. I hate virtual shit. Super gay I hate all the virtual conference crap. That's her scam artist. I hate it I have to know that with coronavirus and all that shit, but we just did it a few months ago in florida Yeah, i'm gonna fuck you no mask mask free raw dog and that shit dude is awesome Yeah, we had a hundred guys show up even during the pandemic I think we would have had a lot more guys. Um, we've had more before but you know the pandemic flights and shit Overseas we lost all of our overseas attendees. None of them could come in we lost speakers who were they were supposed to be there Because overseas because they couldn't fly the fucking flights were you know, they weren't even going Yeah, florida has our governor in florida savage as fuck. He has no tolerance for this covid crap And uh, yeah, you guys are one of the most open states I know a lot of advanced friends in the states that that moved to miami just to To keep keep shit moving Dude, we didn't just do one convention. We did three conventions at the same time We did 21 convention for men We did a 21 convention patriarchs for the fathers and we did 22 convention for women to make women great again Which I don't know if you saw that last year. That was hysterical I did a whole campaign dude I did a whole campaign to make women great again and it reached like 150 million people all over the news Uh, you know good morning britain pierce morgan new york times new york post blaze tv All these fucking tv shows are coming after us all these youtube bloggers and shit was awesome They I mean to make women great again in 2020. Can you imagine like during the political election cycle and shit? People just went nuts, you know make women great again, but i'm all about it I think women today are all fucked up, you know, the grandmas are better So i'm trying to get them back into shape. It's a tough battle, you know a bunch of hoes I didn't realize we were so much in line and I didn't I didn't start lighting into the red pill guys until recently until I Because I'm I'm starting to grow an exposure and guys are emailing me like, you know It's the same problem that's in the pickup world a lot of these red pill guys have gone so far down that rabbit hole They don't know any skills of women all they're just going to these dark places where they're resenting women and Some of the best guys in the red pill it is like the pickup community There are some good guys, but a lot of them are not especially the guys are public Like a lot of them are frauds rollo's a massive a really good example that some of the best guys There are the guys who are not public. They just write occasionally. They don't write much They're not constantly keyword jacking shit They're kind of like guys like you but they have regular jobs So they're not like a public presence, you know But now I like uh like bulldog mindset. Are you are you a fan of his he's one of my speakers? Yeah, he's a great dude I had I was on a stream with him just like the other night last night not two nights ago Yeah, we're putting his features about to come out for 21 convention Nice. Yeah, I was I was on his channel on tuesday as well. Yeah, he's awesome, dude He's very level-headed rational dude. I think he's got a lot of respect for the community I think he's sincere and I think he does There's there's some guys to talk about like uniting the monastery and this and that But a lot of them are just massive frauds and they don't mean that Well, I'm gonna fucking bright what's going on? What was your what was your stuff that you want to say about rollo besides the alien thing from From your sister? I just wanted I just wanted to ask you like a lot of the guys watching I don't know how many but some of them still, you know, they read rollo They watch rollo stuff. I don't know how many some of them He's one of the co-founders of the show before he resigned and disgraced from the company We had about a year and a half ago Yeah, he's told a scumbag. I've done a lot of videos on this and stuff I saw your I saw your memes and all the stuff you sent me Can you give me like the summary? I'm curious to see like your your take on thing Like what what what's the summary of like the the scummy like fraud things that he's done? Yeah, so there's a there's a lot I went into it on the stream with bulldog actually the night We were kind of going into some of this and not that he took sides He was just kind of like, you know observing and asking questions I'll put links in this video too to some of these videos are on our channel. They're up. They're available I'll put it in the cards I'd say the worst thing that rollo has done by far. It's way worse than anyone else Rolo's a much bigger fraud than tyler than all these guys, you know, even the worst guys you mentioned Yeah, rollo is fucking massive fraud So rollo tamasi in 2018 doxxed over 50 men to the new york times A feminist reporter at the new york times. They know the bulls He doxxed over 50 men in real life to a fiend a feminist reporter at the new york times At the end of 21 convention. It was insane This is extremely fucked up. What was the reason? He's really jealous of guys like ruch and jordan peterson And I think he saw the opportunity to kind of burn all these guys and cause a scene caused like a big, you know, fucking show I think she was he was hoping she would show up with like a cameraman or a body cam or something And this plaster these guys in the front page of the new york times, which would fuck up their lives You know male supremacist nazi hates woman blah blah blah The guys who attend our convention a lot of them some of them are salt to be with guys You know, they're young guys and they're out of college, you know engineers, whatever Some of them are attorneys though surgeons doctors active military retired law enforcement These guys can't be on the front page of the washington post of the new york times Being called and slandered a male supremacist nazi or some shit Rolo's fully aware of this obviously. He's a guy who pretends to advocate for men And he just wanted to burn all these guys. I think he didn't give a fuck Super reckless super retarded and then he covered it up in light about it He tried to blame iven throne one of our speakers. He tried to blame george bruno one of our speakers He tried to blame shift and cover this shit up for eight months Before we fucking nailed his ass with fucking evidence and shit And then he just fucking dodged it and snaked it then he's like, oh, you know people ask him about it He won't even fucking answer the question So that to me is by far the worst thing ever All the you know, all the shit that these guys have done scamming and screwing each other out of money All kinds of fights rst has had their own internal fights obviously and shit like that All that is pretty serious, but none of them that I know of have actually doxed Maliciously recklessly doxed over 50 men. That's crazy Like if you had to meet up at a bar tomorrow for your fans And let's say 65 guys showed up and at the last minute you doxed that shit to a feminist fucking reporter at a major news outlet Your fans would fucking hate you forever. They'd be like fuck this dude That's the most fucked up shit you can do short of like violence or bombing or shooting Something really fucking crazy criminal doxing men is the worst thing you can do today We live in cancel culture. You can lose your fucking job. You can lose your business You can lose your family. You can lose your marriage all that shit funny enough people doxed the shit out of him They sent me all these emails. I didn't put anything public But they showed they showed me that he foreclosed on it on his fucking house. Yeah, that's funny. That sucks Which means he's run out of money Hey bad things happen to bad people man, you know, what is it the circle of life? You want to dox Rolla Tomasi is a known doxer that dude doxed over 50 guys I know that's hysterical that he went and did this. Yeah, it was the whole thing We have a 15 page statement on this We put out a formal statement my attorney conduct could roll loads of big fucking deal And we'll see what happens with that But super scummy behavior and there's nothing I don't know if anyone in the manosphere ever who's done something like that You know, you're talking about all this stuff and I know you mean this and you're into it You know the evidence isn't that that shit's fucked, you know scamming guys out of money this and that But that's not ruining their lot. That's not targeting them in public with a fucking news outlet That's crazy. That is fucking super crazy and unhinged. That's treason that is treat That's not just fucking shitty unethical behavior Did anybody get a chance to call him out live and like in a debate or anything like this? So did he ever try did he ever try to defend it? I know he just he just yeah It's all over the place. You can look at it. He was on his own show He had this rule zero crap the crap zero the copes here. I think you call right You know his guy his buddy Richard Cooper was like so Rollo's looking at this guy and Cooper's like well So what if Rollo did it? This is actually on video and Rollo's just like sitting there like staring at him. He doesn't give a fuck. He's crazy The dude's a sociopath massive Rolls just a failed musician who just became an opportunist and Try to try to escape. What are you? What are you? You know, that's fucking bullshit What you just described but what about in terms of him like fraughting and misleading guys and stuff and most of most of I mean when he's on the issues, he's not always bad. He's a good keyboard jockey So not everything he says is wrong. I don't I'm not making that claim. That's ridiculous in my opinion Rollo's not dumb either. He's a smart dude. I don't think he's just hyper intelligent genius that his fanboy cultists think he is That's really ridiculous. He's not even a great writer Everything he writes is all clusterfuck, you know jumbled up words and shit out the time But he's good for example attacking feminism criticizing, you know, this is not the shit that women do But it's all keyboard jockey stuff Most anytime let me say this Anytime he gets off the issues anytime he's not focusing on No women and I purge me or whatever right all this fucking shit and feminism The many he goes in his personal life. That's all lie. Everything is not only a lie. It's the opposite. It's the inversion For example, he says constantly like i'm not in there for the money. I'm not in there for the money I'm not in there for the money Dude 80 percent of his income or more has been coming from the rational male for like years now He's definitely in it for the money. He's in it for the money more than anyone else He's a money fucking grabbing a scumbag He's more money hungry than anyone I've ever seen ever and I've worked with hundreds of speakers So this this larp this larp like he's he pretends to be this like red pill santa claus when the opposite is true He's a super greedy guy who will dox and burn men to make an extra buck and get another book sale By hitting, you know mainstream media like a news cycle kind of thing So that's just one example. He's a massive fraud with that shit massive liar He constantly gives on that he harps in this right on this nice guy in red pill santa claus I'm not in it for the money. He works 60 hours a week on the rational male and most of his income has been coming from this for years By far, so it's a fucking lie. That's just one example Him being a rock star in his 20s all this bullshit. That's a massive lie I think He hasn't fucked that many women. He didn't he wasn't good back then I think he did get laid a little bit But it was mostly kind of like, you know, full stuff just like randomly bumping any of these tricks Or just gonna have that status doing some some gig at some random bar He's never he's never been good with women these dudes who think he's like a god like tyler stuff It's totally fucked. He sucks with women. He doesn't have he has like he likes basic social skills That's how fucked up this guy is Tyler does too It was really it was really sad seeing it in person and I know a lot of guys that hang around him and stuff He just creeps the girls out massively like yeah, exactly He like he comes up and he's like, hey, hey, like he's like, yeah, how you guys doing? Yeah, yeah Like he's like, oh, I don't drink. I don't drink I just drink green juice in the trick so like we need to get the fuck out of here Exactly. Yeah, all the all the fanboys are like in awe and it's so You know most most of the stories that these fanboys here are full fabrications Like what you said about how like the guys saw him go home alone and then he made up a story how he pulled the girl I saw that I saw that multiple times And I heard this from instructors that work with them. This isn't like randomly hearsay This is guys who actually work with them or even video editor I put out a thing his video editors like his quote-unquote game. There's nothing special at all In it, you know, that was probably a hell of a job watching all this nonsense for hours and having to edit it But he's got it's gotten more and more extreme. He's like feeding his own image Like the whole tyler dirting character that he created from fight club. It's really true It's this massive delusion and I think he believes it himself It's this whole alter reality that doesn't exist And he but he but all the fans think it exists and that's like enough I think like his whole character is like to feed his like big beta like traits And in his lack of success and he can just become like, you know It's this megalomania in the in this closed kind of microcosm with with these fanboys worshiping him So he's he's created like he's made himself to be like a jesus christ character But it has no bearing to reality whatsoever, but it's yeah, rollo. Rollo is very similar. He has a jesus complex He's a messiah. He saves lives Which is really coat. It's really just uh fostering codependency and these guys who are already wounded the walking wounded They get burnt out They get burnt and wounded by bpd chicks and just different women, right? They're really bitter. They are fucked up. They do need help rollo offers them a lifeline But it's just a lifeline to a new hellscape a new level of hell And then they get sucked into this codependency cycle that never ends And even there's some there's some of his fans that actually looked at the dot the evidence of the doxing like I was talking about And they flat out told me like yeah, I believe it, but I don't care They still like this dude is a fucking extremely unethical doxer of men that he pretends to want to help And you don't care That's the kind of the not all his fans are like that a lot of them are very like distant They don't follow them that closely but there's a core like 20 30 percent that are really fucked up They will follow him to the end of the earth. He can do literally anything. He can murder somebody and they're not going to care No matter what he does Yeah, exactly. You know the jesus complex and the messiah should it's Tyler's got to the point where like He's telling guys that he's up all night having sex and that he wakes up to like a whole bunch of Texts from like girls is begging to get fucked right and I know guys are hanging out with him He goes about early like he's like fucking taking care of his kids He's not he's not like plowing stunners all day. It's full. It's full fabrication Like and there's so much full fabrication And and so in the line goes so deep but it but it's extremely fascinating because there's nobody like keeping him accountable You know and when guys come around and call him out They do like vicious like incredibly shady shit to bury them Like they took down like I had a big facebook group filled with massive value I started ripping on the rst dudes went down like a day My my instagram down they're attacking my channel right now. I just had to private all the roast Max is reporting shit from years back. There's just this huge targeted thing coming up to me And that's what they do They suppress anyone that that you know tries to speak out And then the rest of the people just just fall hook line and sinker for all the lives Yeah, and the problem at my end with the guys who when they try to do this with me too, right? They do these massive what rollo engaged in with me was a massive dis disinformation campaign to ruin To try to attack my credibility to offset the the evidence and stuff the same with me. They oh, he's a rapist Oh, the problem they have is I have a huge youtube channel. I have mainstream media attention I was all over the news last year our channel I have about i'll have 300 000 youtube subscribers in like two weeks Between all my channels on this one alone with 270 000 today at the end of the day Congrats man. So my channel is so massive and I've such a long history and credibility in the community It's really hard for them to go after me. They try but I have so many connections and relationships and And my credibility comes from real hard work in real life with events I'm really good at what I do. I'm the best in the world at building conventions for this community That's why I have the only I have the longest running manister event in the world by far We've had over 20 events in five countries on three continents. We've had thousands of attendees and millions of views We've done a million over a million views in the past couple weeks We helped millions and millions of men with good speeches. They're not all perfect. I don't agree with all of them I don't even endorse all of them. It's at the point. It's a platform It's an open platform where we get to see open debate and speakers on an open stage And whatever happens happens, right? They're gonna lie a minute later. That's how it should be I mean, if you were you know, if you were like, uh, Micromanaging then it would just be pushing a biased agenda. Yeah, and I don't I don't want to do that I can't associate with frauds. So I have to get you know People watching by the way this guy asked a question Is the evidence of the doxing available for public to read it is yes Uh, you can google a statement on rola tamasi 21 convention that you pull it up But I'll put a link in the description as well Then the real evidence is a 15 page professional statement we put out When on the on this issue when did this happen? October 2018 was the doxing October 14th. I think I got 2018. That's my birthday October 14 Dude, it's made it's made made to be man I'm coming on here with a with a 13 21 lay count on the 21 convention with a reverse of your name and roll those doxing on my birthday Yep Yep, still still can't believe in god even with all that now the two main videos I know you had a lot of videos this went private because people are reporting them They're trying to basically manipulate the system to silence you they're trying to censor you I was confused because I was sharing new videos and like 20 minutes later. They went private I'm like what the fuck's going on But you're gonna put them back up, uh, you know edit them a little bit. That's cool Yeah, I've got an assistant that's been any fucking, you know gray area. Shit. We gotta gotta stay pc Yeah Is putting those pieces pieces out of the video and they'll be back up So they won't have quite as much bite as they originally did but the message will still be there Well, so so the two ones I saw though that I actually watched I think almost all them was the one on I watched one of them You did want to roll out but then also on my ring gains and then mld So talking a little bit more about mld. I know who he is He actually used to be on the show way back in the day. I made that monster I gave him an opportunity to come on here. I know much about him So I'm the uh the frankenstein doctor or that whatever But talk to me about mld. What is your you know, he's you're saying that he stole your products Like what else does this guy do that's screwy? Does he actually bang any woman? Does he bang trans? No, you bang chicks with dicks. Yeah, he saw the one Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff that people have sent me that that's pretty solid evidence for him being allegedly At least bisexual if not full-blown gay That's of course alleged and who knows but there's a lot of evidence for that But what this guy has done, okay? He was a loser driving a cab teaching english running an airbnb scam Not that long ago like like a year and a half two years ago Okay, and then he decided like his close friends like like one of his best friends just like blew him up Like with massive screenshots like they had like a big falling out and there's like screenshots of him saying he knows He's stealing stuff from people. He doesn't care. He's just doing it to make money Etc. Etc. So so what he's done is he's taken a bunch of good content from various people And repackaged it into his own products and then he's just put out tons of content, right? And a lot of it's just like nonsense just like, you know Just a lot of talk about nothing or like hammering home the same I know the one that uh, I knew he was stealing stuff. That's what I suspected on my video froze Give me a second. I'll fix this. Hang on that It's a little link issue one second Commercial break people Doon-doon-doon Almost oh come on fuck Nope, that's wrong I'm gonna keep talking keep talking about him. Yeah, go ahead. I'll fix it So, yeah, that's the biggest issue I have of them is is that he's fucking ripping off my shit personally and other people's shit And repackaging it as if he's some fucking master Okay, he's not good with girls neither is myron gains These guys are just little fucking weasels coming in and they're big fanboys too Like I've heard from close people. They were big fans of my stuff and myron even contacted me for coaching personal personally, which I showed And and now they're like trying to like make it for themselves and like be a name themselves But it's all recycled bullshit from other people. There's nothing original there and the key thing is they're not real experts themselves They're they're just good at recycling information and regurgitating other people's shit They don't have the actual skills Like there's a big difference between someone that's just like, you know Copy-pasting content and actually having experience. They can't answer quite, you know advanced questions about game They can't perform Here's a question I have because this is something that really stood out to me as another massive scam when I the second I saw it So I saw him put out a sugar dating sugar baby product months ago And I I've actually actually got banned on your a group you had not from you But one of your mods I think there was like a jam you'll v group back in the day And I started banging sugar babies and found out how fucking easy it was and how hot they were This is like 2016 and I started writing about that and they like instant ban me They're like, dude, don't talk about that. It's a goldmine and back then it was these fucking hot ass chicks It would fuck you like so easy off the sugar dating sites But it's kind of there's like a process to it and I knew the minute this little faggot Put out a product on a product and I'm like, there's no fucking way this guy's ever banged a sugar Yeah, I had a system for it and let me let me let me clear the air here I don't know how many people are still watching how many people are alive still almost 200 Okay, awesome. Um, okay, so Here's what happened. So I was I was collaborating with this dude, Sonny Arvato I'm sure you know who he is the bodybuilder guy. I haven't heard he had a pretty small falling But he was a pretty good dude and he actually had pretty good game And I'm not gonna really shit talking we had our we had our differences And it was like towards the tail end of like, you know, my massive alcoholism Which which got bad towards the end and we we had a falling out, you know, so whatever but Uh, he basically like we took some low below things like I don't know for sure if he was using steroids He was pretty fucking massive, but I just put all this thing that this motherfucker is using steroids I just because I thought he was but I don't know if that was actually true But he retaliated and said oh Well, he's spanked a couple girls off seeking arrangement, right? And so this other dude this red sky pu is fucking like high school drama this red sky guy He went through my instagram I was showing like I put like 200 300 girls in a row like showing proof of all these hot girl clothes Right and one of the girls have been from seeking arrangement and he like found her profile and seeking arrangement And he said here's this girl on his instagram that is that has a seeking range profile But I I have a whole system where I wasn't paying any of the girls It's just like stripper game any girls that are pressing for money you just screen them out But you can like it's just a hot girl lead source just just as you said yourself exactly this this red sky guy said This was the logic. Listen to how dumb this is I don't know if you've even heard about this because because krauser took it to the next level krauser pu This red sky guy said if if this girl here on his instagram Is a girl that has a seeking arrangement profile That means that he paid that girl, which I didn't and sonny knows that I didn't pay the girl And therefore his entire leg count is hookers. That's the next logical jump So do the math on that and and I have like massive infield. I've been showing more proof than anyone for the longest time I've been reporting the leg count on the forums anyone that knows me knows i'm obsessive about it You know to my detriment whatever but I know the number exactly like and I'm also in all these groups of advanced friends And I send them like a picture of each girl with the details usually with every close I've been doing that for like 10 years and and then krauser came And he said oh jamal is a massive fraud that only banks hookers Because of what this red guy red sky guy said which is because of what sonny said Which came out of just like some differences So like literally the only like evidence is that a girl that was on my instagram happened to have a seeking arrangement profile Which means nothing and sonny knows for fact. I was not paying any of those girls I don't fucking I can I can speak directly just in orlando Which is a sugar baby capital of the world as I understand it I think because all the colleges we have so many and they're so huge especially ucf my old college But all these girls on seeking arrangements sugar baby sites the one I always use is seeking arrangements. I say They had a conference I applied to be a speaker at it I was going to drop all these bombs that they denied me to be a speaker I was like fuck you've been great But all the girls on there are also they're all the girls on there on tender They're on bubble you're on all these fucking actually exactly and I'll see these girls out at bars sometimes not too often But sometimes you're like I saw the bitch on seeking arrangement like two months ago So they're normal girls that do this and that they're all dating They're fucking guys off tender and then they're trying to fuck milk these betas for money of seeking arrangements So you just to fuck them anyway Yep. Yeah, I had a whole system to it modern life dating stole the whole fucking thing Repackage it as salt dating And I I sticked it's funny because seeking arrangement their lawyers a little bit like a little more Shit like so alex and playing with fire. He made like a how to how to run salt game like how to bang these chicks for free That caught the attention of brandon wade who started seeking arrangement He said oh, I'm gonna deal with this Me and alex from playing with fire got seasoned assists to remove any kind of sugar daddy like beating the game like You know beating that whole system Or making a system to not have to pay the girls They sent us a cease and desist remove it from your products. I mean alex were like f you know What are they gonna do? Like they gave us 30 days at day 30. I literally saw one of the lawyers. I reckon I just have a really good memory It's like almost photographic where I can like just recall stuff very easily I recognize the name of the lawyer as one of the people that bought the products They're gonna email every time somebody buys a product and I'm like oh fuck So I got my developer and I had him like scrub scrub the shit, you know Because I didn't I didn't know if they were gonna try to make a loss or whatever the fuck was gonna happen And I removed it but this was before he copped or this was after he already copied it But I I sent his info and I'm like here's his salt daddy products and go fucking, you know tell him to take that shit down too but um You know the point is that's another fucking one that he stole from me Besides my my corner pick apart But just to clear the air because it still lingers this crowds are articles like two years ago And I had a guy last night just tell me like he just went through my mentorship course He's he banged like a shit lot of shit load of girls his game increased exponentially And he's like dude. I've I've blown like 40 50 grand on coaching before You are like Like light years ahead of everybody. It's like it's all clicking now He's like I would have came to you like two years ago But I saw that crowds are article where he was saying your whole accounts hookers and he's like that discouraged me And he's like that probably drove a lot of people away from your business And I still get that fucking shit in the forums and youtube content. Oh, he's been exposed years ago He he only bangs hookers Like think about what it would take to to bang 13 21 hookers And and like how do I like so authentically speak about game in all the finest details and show so much proof and oh He must have hired thousands of actresses and like we should get the fuck out of here Like nobody nobody's actually able to expose me because I don't lie about anything I don't tell us by talking to you the bang girls you're aggressive and assertive enough that you're going to get late Like that's really obvious and if you watch these other guys on youtube, they're all they don't have that It's all fake bravado and it's all uh You can see through it and just bs and girls see through it too. They don't want to fuck them This fucking disgusting beta bullshit. They don't want to be around. Oh, yeah This fake machismo. I did want to share a book though. Uh, one of all attendees wrote salty It's a book. It's no longer on amazon, but it was kind of his own journey into figuring out How to do this, you know salt dating basically that's probably where mld got the name for his product from is this book Which is no longer on amazon. I got one of the copies before it got pulled But yeah, I've heard that No, I yeah, I still think we're gonna fucking blow it up even more But I think it's like the best lead. It's not really much of a thing in like south america in europe eastern europe It's more in the western cultures, but in america. I think that's the best lead source because it's the hottest girls You can direct you can direct message them. They're more compliant. It's like a stunner network on demand. Yeah, right? So That's where they bandy from that group. They're like shut the fuck up This is a goldmine because I was like everybody should go do this and I like shut the fuck up So I was like the thing is you need you need a good system behind it Like I've I've I've I've known lots people that have like gone there and you know tried to do it and like that I just use dick pics dude get the forget them off there get them into the phone Then dick I have a huge dick. So I just dick pic dick pic dick pic And it's just uh, it's a numbers thing because I just do that enough They end up, you know, some of them are like, oh, hey, here's the nude and then you end up fucking them They just come right over you go to the hotel or you go to their place So it's uh, it's great stuff and I agree. It's probably the hottest in america. It's the hottest source for hottest chicks You can still find some hot girls on mumble and tinder, but it's a much bigger schmorker's board Yeah, it's more fewer and far between and you have to wait for the match to come through and like Being able to just direct message your girl is very powerful being there They're so sexual and seeking arrangements too. Like they know they're on there to fucking get fucked for money Basically from these fat old babies are bald And then I'm like, hey, I'm 32. I'm worth 20 million I love I put like all these crazy numbers on there because you can put like whatever you want So I'm like, yeah 20 million 10 million Whatever I worth whenever I'm feel like, you know, it's a feeling how much I'm worth, you know There's staff I think like like half the guys are married and a lot of the guys don't have pictures because they don't want Their wife to find or they're actually like a high-powered CEO or business executive And they don't want to be spoken of found out and then they they open with these like massively sexual giant paragraphs that scare the girls away And then, you know, they're just creepy and we you know, so when you have pro pictures Yeah, extremely solid text game You like bring all the real alpha traits in person. You're just like contrast so hard to most of the guys on there Yes, and you don't even give a fuck about wanting you to be a sugar And I and I never ever do I never ever like fall into that frame the same thing when I go into strip club I don't ever fall into the frame of like a beta loser customer I teach stripper game actively on like my seven day programs and we usually get the guy laid from the strip club And it's it's as simple as I have like a 13 point checklist It's as simple as like establishing yourself as industry So you're like one of them not like a beta groveling customer You don't give them too much attention or compliments. I tell stories about how I've dated a bunch of strippers before I talk about how like how I did your electronic music, which is what I did before pick up on the side This is old school p.y stuff man. Thanks stripper game. This is awesome. I've heard this years Yeah, mystery mystery was spot on with a lot of shit I mean him and I used to talk a lot a couple years ago And he told me in this I have utmost respect for him. So this is not to make fun of him But he told me he was in the low 300 count Coming up on 50, which is respectable However, I think he could have taken it a lot further had he evolved and optimized the system and he's too stubborn to collab I've tried to You know, we used to that trade game theory But he he's so stuck in his he built a system and froze it in time and that's retarded And he's also like almost gone like in the wrong direction over time Like he was trying to make the case to me that it's not worth getting a girl's phone number And instead you should if you don't have enough compliance to get a skype close That you shouldn't even take her contact information And I was like first of all, dude Most girls don't even know what the fuck skype is let alone have skype mobile And second of all like I know at this point I was I was coming up on like 800 or something like that And I was like I know at this point that this is largely about getting phone numbers and working those phone numbers down to dates Because on dates you have perfect logistics So name of the game is to acquire a lot of leads and mass set them up for dates and then just knock them down So like the key to like Casanova only did 146 in his lifetime. It's because there's no fucking cell phones All right, so there was no way to like work the leads I don't know how you would work leads or over a letter or whatever the fuck they were doing But you know, so so he came out like 146 at that time that was good That's how you said there's not many guys that banged a thousand It wasn't even within reach until modern technology until you if you're not leveraging online dating and and texting It's pretty tough Like I did 400 my first 400 were mostly night came And then I said I thought online was cheating and then I started incorporating a lot of online They said online too. I thought it was for losers back in the day I hate on my dating back in the 2000s because that was like fuck this shit. I'm gonna go to a bar I'm gonna cold approach and get laid Well, yeah for yeah for me it was it was like a pride thing It was like I developed all this like good strategy And I didn't like that like some good looking dude could just come on and like get an easy lay without having to do All the skill part it seemed it seemed like a cheating shortcut, but at the end of the day It's all about banging hot chicks So that's what happened to me as I met a guy who one of our speakers bravo who I respected and he was getting laid off This stuff. I believed it. I talked to him at the sky. I was like, okay, he gets laid and he's banging hot chicks I'm like I'm gonna stop being so stubborn, right? You know, there's obviously hot girls on there You can fuck them because I was so old school like I built, you know I built my skills just by you know going out I approached thousands of women And it was hard it got blown out a lot, you know got you know, these rough nights I didn't drink either. So it was always like stone sober and you know, you're not always Alcohol is a lubrication, right when you go. Oh, yeah, I'm one of the only coaches that advocates drinking I became sober a year and a half ago I actually had to go to an outpatient rehab for like three months where I was attending group sessions because it got So bad because I was in night clubs all the time I was splitting bottles of wine on the dates and I'm Irish Polish and there's alcoholism on both sides So I was genetically prone to it and it just got it just went off the rails And I you know, I was very public about it on my channel mld. That's like his that's like his whole Big angle to attack me. Oh, well, he's just an alcoholic I have like a thread where I was like tell me your leg count and he's like only if you Tell me how long you went to rehab. I'm like, okay, like man to man I'm holding you to your word at three months. Tell me your leg count nothing You know, so I put that out on my fucking channel so You know, yeah, it but it runs so deep man like like it's good to hear I didn't realize we were so much on the same page and you have a much bigger region and platform Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know. Is there anyone like me that's like really going hard like You know trying to fucking uncover a lot of this shit and I'm not aware. Well, there's some mixtape dudes mixtape dictionary. They have this channel, but they're all anonymous Yeah, I'm sure he said he me too. Yes, he's got like a really tiny channel, right? Yeah, it's only 3000 so I'm an oddity like I'm not full-time, you know going after people like you are You're not doing the full time either, but it's a thing But I have a huge audience and then I still have the the brass balls and the The strength and the steel to do this. It's not easy. You know, I have a whole business top rate I have three businesses actually I've been running it for 15 years I've been an entrepreneur for that long and I really care about this community and I care about what happens to it I care about its history. I care about its present. I care about its future So I do the best that I can with the time and attention I have There are a few of the guys that call people out from time to time And a coach Greg Adams called out Richard Cooper pretty hardcore. He's a big youtuber About 300,000 subs something like that. So occasionally there's occasionally you see a one-off thing like that Someone who actually is genuine who cares about this community who sees, you know These these scammers and these fucking losers doing their fake bullshit and they'll go to war for it temporarily You know, it's one day out of the year two days out of the year They'll make a video and they'll be like, hey, I'm sick of this shit. There's fucking bullshit I'm kind of more at the extreme then Yeah, you're you're at the extreme. I'm in I would say I'm at the extreme man too, but not at the volume You're doing it. I'm just doing it with a large scale audience The best way I could put it and this is going to sound extremely arrogant. I don't care The best way I can put it to all you guys watching is I feel like the LeBron James a pickup And these other coaches are basically like handicapped retards in a wheelchair Running out of the court and being like, hey come learn how to play basketball for me That that have never like been in a championship that don't know like the first thing about real basketball That but but then like have high powered marketing behind them, right? And have a lot of fake stories and have a lot of like, you know Charisma, you know, who the fuck since when does having charisma give you like clout in a skill game, right? Like you could you could have a lot of charisma as a poker player and not win any money You know, it doesn't mean shit. So You know, it's it's it's very that's why Guys are like just, you know, you'll win you'll win the game You'll win the fight by just putting out your content My strategy videos are like my least viewed videos and I'm not doing I'm not doing these attacks for for exposure by any means But I take great offense like imagine you devoted like your whole life like for better work Like I had I had I've got a double bachelor's in computer science and philosophy I've got a double master's in Human computer interaction and philosophy of cognitive science And I was either going to be a patent attorney or do a phd in cognitive science or philosophy of mind and either be a cognitive science researcher or a Philosophy of mind professor and I worked on nuclear missile defense nuclear biological and chemical missile defense for Lockheed Martin for five years And then for ibm and hila packard and sony before I Went full time into this but I I'm a very like intellectually gifted and I've read a lot of books about intelligence It's almost all genetic so I don't take Personal credit it wasn't you know, it wasn't hard work that made me intelligent genetic luck of the draw to be good at hyper analyzing things and optimizing systems But when you when you really like spend most of your time like optimizing this like always thinking about game Always trying to innovate it always trying to push it forward and you have these guys come in Like try to look at it from my point of view everybody watching You have these guys come in that make it a full-on mockery, right? That disgracing the game When it's One side you have internet marketers that are content farming out to India, right? Imagine this game that you love that you know that you have a real system for that works really really really good And you helped a lot of these guys and they're content farming out to India meaning That it has no relevance whatsoever to and then guys are mass purchasing this and I'm talking to guys that bought Hey, I've been using the towel badass system for five years. Oh really man. How many girls been with? Oh, I got one girl during that time. Okay, that was probably luck dude By the way, that's a scam system That makes a lot of sense. They're basically having these nerdy Indian dudes God bless them. You know, I hope they make money and their country gets better But these nerdy Indian dudes ghost writing stuff from across the world and it's all it's just gibberish It's this complete bs like not not a little bit wrong not kind of you know a little bit unethical It's like just massive or off. Well, yeah, exactly But the thing is this was like the startling realization I had once I realized how big these internet marketers have a presence and these scammers have a presence The purchase decision is made before they even see the content or before they even get to try the content to see if it works And guess what content that doesn't work leaves a big void to buy more content Yeah, right like like most of the guys come through my program. We have like our call at the end of the program They're like, yeah, I can't almost every time I have more girls. I know what to do with this is fucking crazy This is like it's usually like getting in the way of other things of their life. They're like, I'm missing work I'm missing, you know jujitsu like what do I do? I'm like, you need to set some some boundaries But they go fully to the other side and they're like, this is the best feeling ever and and with And then they're not a client anymore, right? Like I fixed it and they're not going to be a client anymore for anyone So like that's not good for business, but I'm not even fucking doing it for business I like I can't really optimize my system very much further anymore But I can optimize other guys systems and I I get a lot of you know Satisfaction because I came from that place. I came from being the shyest guy out of like 700 kits I had massive social anxiety massive panic attacks. There was periods of my life where I couldn't even leave the house Yeah, I grew up this way too, man Oh, yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't I didn't join the mandatory I didn't join the pickup community to become a business owner to become an entrepreneur to become a conference organizer all this bullshit I was 17 years old and I asked this really hot grill to go to the dance My friend hooked it up basically and she said yeah, and I thought I was freaking out You know 17 years old super nervous had zero success with woman at that point virgin And I was just like holy fuck. What do I do? What do I do? I went to google I typed like how to club dance or something and I pulled it pulled up ross jeffreys and fast seduction dot com all fast seduction And that was how I got into it and I was like, wow I found this information and I knew some of it. I was like, great Some of this doesn't make sense. Some of it's probably wrong with some of it's probably right And if I sift and sort through this pickup community thing I'm going to find ideas and I can apply them in real life And if some of them work I can like keep doing that and get better and better It basically dawned on me that I could improve this whole area of my life Fundamentally like actually solve problems and get better get a girlfriend, you know get laid and get makeouts Get phone numbers all the stuff which at 17 was massive for me. That's why I joined this community That's why I care about it. I grew up in it I call myself a son of the man's fair I found this community so young at such a young age and it's it's become the dominant part of my life And it really positive and healthy way of you know, a lot of it's a toxic chiddle And I do my best to lead it and to make it better and to keep driving it forward And I piss a lot of people off doing that. That's part of the game You know, I lose money when I attack people in some way Like I actually like, you know, you know, I haven't ever really talked much before I actually really like you a lot. I'm just saying that because I'm on your show But I had heard a lot of like bad stuff just but it's the same shit that goes around about me You know, it's it's not really who I am people are just people don't like what we're doing And so they just spread a whole bunch of lies like my name's been trashed across the community Between the arrest setup between the the myths about raping people the myths the myths about threatening Owen's kids It's all fabricated. It's fabricated just like their claims in game But then guys are like, but then guys are like, oh, you know, that guy's the that guy's the fucking enemy That guy's like the anti christ You're the villain for doing the right thing That's that's what the price of doing the right thing is you're the villain That's at least in today's world. That's how that operates. We live in a culture that prioritizes all this fucking fraudulent BS You know, there's a reason it's me and you didn't create this entire culture that that facilitates and enables this to happen, right? This is this is how shit works. It's particularly bad the man's fear I think it's just like seriously worse than other industries where it's also a serious problem, right? And yet, you know, those communities have to sort their own shit out But in the man's fear, it's been really bad And you just got to do the best you can with them make it better, you know And that takes balls that takes fucking need to put money down on the line kicking roll of tamasi I put this on the stream of the night, Antonio Bruno's channel kicking roll of tamasi out of my company After I found the hard evidence of him being this massive doxing fraud It cost me a lot of money a lot like a godly amount of money and I was happy to do it You know, it sucked. It was painful. I didn't enjoy it But I did what I had to do. I made the right call I'm bigger and stronger than I've ever been now because of it And I got this parasite out of my life and in many ways out of the man's fear I wrecked us. I fucked up his whole life doing that Outing him as a fraud doing these memes and showing the evidence of these 15 page document and the video and all this other stuff It really fucking ruined his life and I'm happy it did. That's what he deserved morally You know, the fraud and stuff is all this hard stuff. You got to call people out If you see fraud, if you see fraud, don't say fraud. You are fraud. That's how I view it That's yeah Yeah, guys guys come in. Oh, he's saying all this stuff about being a man and being alpha and all this stuff But but that kind but a real man wouldn't wouldn't call people out and I said actually that's exactly what a real man would do That's right You have all these beta males trying to police what alpha behavior is. So it's really it's really ridiculous. Yeah That's not awful. You said why are you picking fights? It's the same the same thing The same thing but it's completely like I'm a big Nietzsche fan And he talks about in the book beyond good and evil how christianity inverted Like what what is built on like power and autonomy and strength and made those into like Demonized things and and bad things and then they embraced being like meek and weak and poor in spirit Right and and and like things like like the story with the doubting thomas they're like If you if you want like this this character thomas that wanted like real proof of jesus existing He's like, all right, here's your proof but now i'm punishing you and the whole moral is You should never want proof if you do the lord will punish you so like that's perfect because there is no proof So all the all the christians are around. They're like, oh, you want you want us to show proof of something that makes zero Sense and contradicts all scientific claims. Oh, it's better to not have the proof and all these guys are like It's better to not have the results I have the knowledge man. I'm red pill bro. They're they just want a larp red pill Now there are some guys who really do want to get better, but a lot of guys they just want That's why the marketers as though successful is scamming them They just want they have pain they have emotion and they want to change that emotion So like you said the sale is made before they even get the content right before they even do anything They're sold just on these pain buttons. That's what they push this button button button push push push push And I'll just a marketing game which which to be clear has nothing to do with fixing the problem or helping you or anything It's a marketing game. They're good at harping on your pain and getting you to Want to relieve that pain with your money or by being a fan And they tell you they want to keep you in pain and temporarily alleviate it kind of like, you know the health industry with pills and Shit, you have a problem. We're not going to fix it. We're going to treat the symptom So you still have the pain it's going to come back, especially when you stop taking our shit It's the same pick up and stuff. It's it's fucking huge scam. It sucks, man Because there's real answers out there too. They're they're guys doing real shit, you know I've done an incredible job. I think bringing together great speakers over 15 years And I take a lot of heat for people hate me for it in some ways. They make up all these reasons endless reasons If you could be if you could be I'm curious why you never asked me I'm sure you had a bad image of me in the past as well Not really. I didn't know about you till 2016 a friend of mine who's a big fan of yours He probably met you at your speed your speech in Orlando. I moved back to Orlando in 2016. So I think I missed you Uh, maybe you came earlier in the year But uh, I got here. Well, I got there early in the year, but I didn't start like hanging out with the guys again until later In the you know, you know, my guys Xavier. He was like, yeah, yeah, he's a good He's one of my best friends awesome, dude. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, he loves you. Thanks. You're awesome, man He's the reason Yeah, yeah, I was gonna keep his name off the show, but whatever. Yeah, I don't think he cares He's a great dude. He's banged a lot of chicks. I know he likes my joke with him He likes bang a lot of fat and Latina woman. He's chubby But he but he bangs hot woman too, right? He bangs a spectrum He's dude that dude I've been on crutches literally after surgery and that dude has thrown woman at me And I fucked them like it's fucking the dude Xavier is a great dude, man And he's a guy. He's he's a man of fear dude who cares about game. He cares about skill He cares about these issues, right? He's not he's not a he's not a coach He's not a marketer, right? He's just a dude and he's been in this community I used to go out with him back in the 2000s to go pick up chicks. I met him in 2008 2009 So I've been going out with him as a wingman for a long ass time. I didn't see him for a while I was and I moved to a different part of the state But the minute I came back we started hanging out And I actually hadn't seen him in years and uh His he has like a really hot sister. So I was like, oh man, you have the hot ass sister. Do you have she doing? Yeah, so what what happened? He turned you on to my stuff or he told you about me and then And then what happened was I didn't even have my youtube till 2017 I was waiting till that fucking arrest. Oh shit to blow over. I didn't want I talked to you on facebook I hit you up. We were talking on facebook. There's an old chat and my messenger's still But I think your account ended up getting banned or something And then I just kind of forgot about you to be honest like I just deal with so many speakers And there's the monastery is massive like I don't even know how many coaches and speakers are there's hundreds if not thousands technically I don't know. I don't know anyone getting consistent advanced level results for guys besides myself Yeah, do you Did you know anybody doing that? That's a big question man. That's a big question. There are there are other good dating coaches Not even not even like not even like once in a while I mean I'm not even trying to be extreme and that just doesn't happen Like alex from playing with fire. I think is like the next sure the next close system But he's just focused on online and texting nobody's teaching like Hardcore like here's how you crush cold approach too. Here's how you crush the whole system I just just real quick for those like those you aren't familiar. I make it like a sales funnel It's like the online game the night game the day game in the top That filters down to phone numbers Then I show you exactly what to text I give you every control path of what to text in order to set up public dates Or I have text scripts to bring them straight to the house Then I show you how to run your dates how to close and the last piece is the retention So the way that you improve is you see where the where you're running into bottlenecks, right? Like if you're not getting enough phone numbers you fix the lead acquisition part If you're not getting enough dates you fix the texting part and the lead acquisition part But once your leads of acquisition part is fixed then it's problem with your text game But I give the guys all the text to send that's why they're getting dates once they're getting phone numbers And then I show them like very systematically how you run your dates and I'm trying to get them to the level where they can bring home 80 to 90 of their dates and then they can close 80 90 of the girls they bring home And then they can retain 80 90 percent of the girls they close And so once you fix all those bottlenecks now your funnel has widened open Then you just put some volume at the top and you keep it as wide as possible The skill part is how wide you keep the funnel But most guys in the community their skills suck so they get very little phone numbers and their texting sucks No dates or very little dates they get a date now and then they fuck up the date And there's so many compounding bottlenecks They have not a chance in the world and then these coaches usually either leave them stagnated or push them in the The opposite direction now not only where they get bad at getting the phone numbers Now they're being a total fucking weirdo and creeping the girls out and now they're getting no phone numbers Right or they're getting like extremely flaky phone numbers And then they're and then they're being told well if you just take massive action You'll get good, right? So then they go and they they do the wrong methods a thousand times and now they're way That's some tony robins shit again in the monastery. Yeah creeping in Yeah, I'll say this. Uh, I'm not in a position to individually rank dating coach the dating coach the seduction coach There's just no way I can do that unless someone's a fraud and I'm going to call them out Rank I'm just curious if you know anybody that's getting guys good results Like on a somewhat regular basis because I don't know of anybody doing that There are guys some of our speakers will meet them at 21 convention and you'll you'll meet these guys, you know first hand Not everybody's perfect, right? I've had a lot of some not a lot But some bad speakers role to mossy for example one scumbag But uh, there are guys out there who are good and they I don't know if they're as good I mean, that's up for you guys to debate that's up for the audience to kind of compare and contrast Um, but my most my biggest concern is guys who are malicious and fraudulent and beyond that, you know It's a thing. I know I think rotiss is as good as you to be honest I don't know if he's as good as good as teaching, but he's probably it was one of the best guys I've ever seen in real life If not the best Where's he living? These days, I think colorado I'm not 100% sure I haven't talked to him a little while. He's living florida though. I mean he was an old roommate We had project Orlando It was me rotiss and one of the moderators admins for a top layer the layer in the area Thousand plus I've never met a guy in real life. That's that's thousand plus from cold approach I'd I'd like to meet him for sure Yeah, he's awesome Did he used to bang girls in broad daylight at a 7 11 in his minivan? I mean, he would be like he would just meet them in a gas station parking lot and fucking them five minutes later He's nuts. I saw this like go down. It was fucking wild. There's another guy too. He's actually he's on youtube Devious, you ever heard of devious? Probably not in old school. He's on youtube at a channel. It's huge millions of subscribers called prank invasion They've heard of prank invasion as a big channel Might have got banned at this point Anyway, his videos were fucking a lot of them are fake on youtube like these prank invasion videos They're just pranks that were kind of staged but they were obviously compelling and controversial and gotta be riled up But I've seen him in real life too way back in the day 2006 2007 And he went by devious in the pickup community. He was fucking savage I mean he pulled girls in in the mall into a bathroom for blowjobs like right in front of me just like broad daylight It was fucking savage. So these are the he was young man. He was like 18 19 years old So there are some guys That's more like natural style than Now he's just fucking he was really uh mechanical actually dude I saw him one time read like fast reduction like eight hours straight like he didn't move This guy was like a robot But he was very methodical like you you're you're much more free flowing than he is to be honest He was like old school social robot kind of thing, but he was like a game robot And uh rites is different than that too. The rites is kind of like He's like a really free flowing version of you One of my friends calls him like a cat like a fucking like actual like street cat that kind of licks his own balls And then his fucks like random stray cats It's just a while just a while you you love him if you met a man great It's a chess game. So I really respect it. I want I want to get connected with those with those best guys And like there's still I feel like there's still a lot more to evolve in the game Like there's still I look at I look at it as one big system in my head And like when I was doing that nuclear missile defense stuff I was a systems engineer and my job was to optimize the speed of response time and the accuracy of response If there's ever a nuclear biological or chemical missile attack against the us or our allies and I drove in a really key optimization That basically allowed allowed the surface area of the navy to double right because it you know It it was this massive optimization. They gave me like a thousand bucks and taxed it. I was like 25 26, whatever You know a complete lack of And then didn't correlate to the you know the the significance of what I did but You know that what's the you know, I guess that could save save lives and stuff like that So that's nice, but you know this game is so Interesting because there's there's so many nuances to it I don't think anybody can ever run like a perfect set there since there's so many variables So it's like it's kind of like a lifelong quest to like get closer and closer approximations of a perfect of perfect interactions Yeah, and it's all about making the highest probability moves just like poker and chess So and that's why I can't stand these guys that like it's all looks it's total bs Yeah, when you text something to a girl, is there a better text to send than not? Of course Is there a better thing to say than not of course are there always better things to do at every step of the way than others? Yes, of course so You know regarding the looks it's like yes, they factor in But maximize your sexual market value and then shut the fuck up about it You know don't don't make a million forum posts about and rag on other guys for not being a chat But so all that is extremely toxic as well Yep, let's uh, we've gone over two hours. So we'll need to wrap up soon I may be gone indefinitely, but I want to kind of wind this down a few more game questions So some of the some of the audience they can because we've been going into a lot of awesome stuff Just you know hit on these guys that are frauds this and that and the community But also some advice early in the show things you've been through But I would do want to ask for the guys who are still very early and they're in their lay count And they do want to get better with women and they do want to have a higher notch count Let's say the guy is 10 lays in his life, right 5 or 10 and he wants to get to 100 What would you say to that guy for his journey in his life other than like join my coaching, right? What what is he going to go through and what should he expect and how can he get better to get to 100? So yeah, I mean, yeah, like obviously, you know, this isn't a plug either But I've spent so much time perfecting the system like that's going to be the quickest route But what they should be prepared for is that it's that at first of all I can change like almost literally overnight Like this this is a skill game But when you plug into an optimized system, you don't need a thousand approaches or a thousand nights out You don't need months or years of practice I have countless examples where the guy spent many years on pick up was part of many products many forms, etc And it's the same story every time they still suck And I change it and start getting them laid very very quickly like at a very fast rate Once they're plugged into an optimized system So so lesson number one is when you plug in an optimized system, the results can come very very fast Lesson number two is you can't just have access to the full package stunners out of the gate Right, nobody can and anybody claiming that is lying So they need to be realistic, right? Yeah, there's like this leveling up process. You're like evolving like what you bring to the table, etc You can't I get a lot of guys come on the program. Hey, I just want nine pluses Okay, have you ever been an eight before or have you ever been nine before no everybody eight before no So they should be prepared to bang some fat girls on the way to 100. Yes. Yes pretty much I mean like you can't fat girls John Anthony, you can't be You can't be icy cool around like an eight or nine When you're not you're not ready for that yet Like first of all, like when a guy is like exposed to a quality higher than what he's used to He starts trying to like play it different and he starts getting very in his head and over analyzing And he and he doesn't want to fuck it up and he's terrified of fucking it up and going back down in quality And he thinks he needs to play it special and like what would the cool guy do in these situations? And the girl he doesn't feel he doesn't feel entitled like you would do a fat girl, right? The fat girl you're just a guy I could fuck this girl who cares, but it's that attitude that gets you I need to start there, but they need just they need they can't they don't have access to the eight five and nine plus range yet In the beginning. Well, but it happens very quickly. I have like I have virgins come on program That 20 year old virgin took the six programs didn't get any ladies at all lost virgin on day four By like week five. He was out with his first eight bomb the shit out of it I'm like man, and he was all rattled. I'm like, dude, they like made out at least I'm like, dude, you're gonna fuck that up. That's part of the acclimation period five weeks ago You you hadn't even felt what a vagina feels like now you're going out with eights So the process can happen quickly But like you're gonna like I tell guys you're gonna be scared You're gonna fuck it when I was around my first nine my first 10 I was terrified I was like You're thinking how do I gain points? How do I not lose points? Is this the right thing to say is she can be offended by this joke Uh, I want to say this thing, but I'm not sure how it's going to go over. How am I doing? You're walking on eggshells basically Yes, whereas I tell guys the best mindset is Before any cold approach assume you got the girl the purpose of interaction is not to win the girl over When you assume you got the girl and you believe it and you can as you get results You have empirical demonstrable proof that you can do that and it wasn't a big deal But but you need to Fully believe that because if you don't you're gonna be doubting yourself And I use the analogy of like if you went into buy a car in the car salesman was like Here's his cards the parts are all busted out the windows are broken Uh, do you want to buy it right? If you don't believe in your own product If you don't believe in the own worth your own worth that you bring to the table Then no girl is going to buy into that either right? So if you come in with the mindset on a date or on a Cold approach that you already got the girl That is that that is like at the top of the tree for all your verbals and all your body language to flow from So once you can get in line with that mindset That's going to put a lot of this stuff into place and then guys need to be realistic in their expectations I tell them at a high level i'm only closing 10 percent of my phone numbers that means a lot of the time It's not going to work out nobody can ever avoid rejection That's part of the game right so if you look at like door to door sales The best salesman in the world can never avoid being told to fuck off and getting a door slammed in his face And and I've played games with other advanced friends where when I get a rejection or he gets a rejection The other one of us will go in nine times out of 10 the same reaction So like there are exist girls that really have boyfriends and husbands that don't want to talk to you There exist girls. They're in a bad mood or you're not their type or they're just you know Whatever they're they're just bitchy in general. Who knows what the factor is But I tell guys to look at that don't take that to heart Like be critical of the of your game skills and where you made game mistakes But don't take bad reactions. Don't let it deflate your confidence because what what starts to happen is guys negative spiral from from interaction to interaction and from day to day and week to week and then they go in like You know it becomes self-fulfilling. Oh, I'm the kind of guy that doesn't get girls the last bunch of times I tried it didn't work out. It's not gonna work out this time. Uh, hey, hey, you know, and they're already done before they even tried Right, so let me talk a really quick story. I had a Indian client in in vegas that was like very caught up on the fact that he was Indian and that he was a virgin And he I was only like 250 late kind of that time only But he was like, hey man, like you've been a couple hundred girls. That's why they respond positively to you And I banged zero. That's why they respond negatively to me I said, we don't have our late count on a posted note on our fucking forehead If you come in like the man and you and you're very confident in believing in what you bring to the table They're gonna respond positive to that if I come in weak and passive and unsure of myself They're gonna respond negatively to that and that kind of flipped a switch and I go through that with a lot of clients And and then he actually got his first make out and poll and we were making jokes Me and my little business partner were making jokes. He was like the coolest virgin in the club But when you get that mindset on track, right and then you're equipped with the proper strategies It's very rare that I don't get a guy very good very fast It's almost impossible not to you know, there's extreme hard cases and this and that there's exceptions But for the vast majority of the guys massive success is literally like two to three weeks away when you're when you're plugged into the right mindset and the Right strategy You're just going to get the results and then you're going to be able to do that for the rest of your life This is not rocket science. I can explain like I said, I can explain like most of night game strategy in an hour to an hour and a half I can just give guys my tech scripts, which are the result of Texting over 10,000 numbers But they just copy paste them and handles every control path every objection What to do if she doesn't reply or flakes or cancels or reschedules So when all the texting is done for you You have a full game plan on how to run your date and how to close And the full game plan on how to retain And how to do your cold approach and your online stuff and you get the pro pictures Now you're you're equipped to fucking destroy. You don't need to watch all this crap on the on the fucking on fucking youtube You know, there's like how you just put this they're equipped to destroy exactly postseason you need to get slammed and destroyed So this this is fucking great. Yeah Yeah, guys are good late talk like this and guys who don't don't talk like this. They talk just Much more hot air kind of you know flamboyant bullshit. It's like all the marketing stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, and it drives me fucking crazy because because they have way bigger presences than me and What's that they focus most of their energy and time on scamming men That's why they have the bigger audiences, frankly if they actually focused on banging chicks and developing systems and skills That's they would have a smaller audience. It's just it is what it is I'm not a data somewhere in between but the thing is too and I had a guy give me kind of a rude awakening recently He's like a internet marketer. He said you're selling the steak. He said people don't want the steak. They want the sizzle Yeah, and he's like you need to like I'm on there like look i'm paying tons of girls I'm doing that for everybody else and people are like, oh, that's not that exciting I want to get all the emotions that come along with it I want to watch a cartoon video that makes them feel good about You know and promising in the world with all this bullshit from somebody who had the product made in india By like random to speak broken english Yeah, if if guys only knew man, it's it's so sick I'm glad there's like eyes out there like you doing, you know real shit and uh going to task too when you when you believe it's And uh, it's the right thing to do that's good stuff, man Yeah, it is it is a little fucking frustrating though You know like I can't post right now on youtube for a week You know the channel's under fire max is like, you know with minions or whatever coming through reporting videos from from years back And I do have you know, like I have a legitimate business where I'm getting guys good on a regular basis and now like Unfortunately, I can't even put out like good value content right now And you know a lot of those videos there's like 25 videos we privated We're gonna have to go through and scroll, you know, so they're fucking like impacting my business With their nonsense when I'm trying to show people look he paid girls for to be in this harem He's not banging them They're just posing in in building this fake image so that you guys will buy his business mentoring Which doesn't work by the way at all And and if anyone talks against it, he's going to try to censor you and You know, he's gotten all these offshore comments. It goes so deep like I was saying these guys got offshore Uh bank accounts. There's so much shady shit happening. I've I've heard of them Threatening to destroy people's lives and in all this stuff or actually trying to The real the the real uh stuff behind like real social dynamics is is incredibly dark What darker than any kever imagine They threatened to sue me a long time ago back in like 2009 2010. They threatened to sue me. Yeah, they sent me a nasty fucking letter For what I don't I don't even remember something about a video. Oh, it was a video of manhore We had a speaker the guy you talked about and we put their website on it We're like visit manhore at you know, whatever rsd website.com or something And they say this huge fucking, you know bs letter, but manhore got him to chill out I didn't have to lawyer up or anything. I dare them to fuck me now. I've got a war with people man. I'm gonna fuck I have enough money skills relationships time attention lawyers like I'll do whatever I gotta do I'm not going to be silenced by these fucking scumbags And people needed they need to get called out people want this united manhors here and all this stuff It's like what do you think that takes singing kumbaya around a fire calling frauds out? You have to call a fraud where you see fraud, you know, it doesn't mean I'm some fucking I don't want to spend 24 hours a day bitching at people in the internet for being scam artists You're never gonna it's never gonna end, right? There's always gonna be scam artists But if there's a systemic prop, you know, really problematic level of it, it's got to be resolved It's got to be healed. Well, especially when some majority like like what, you know I don't want to make you put out a number here But I'm gonna ask what would be your best approximation in the man's fear in at large in general Of people that are that are scamming the audience. What what percentage would you put out there? Be including like internet marketers like how about us and these people? Yeah, yeah, if you include the internet marketers So I don't even know I don't even consider them part of the manager sometimes because all they do They're just like clicking shit on their products are impacting all the the viewers at a big scale And the rest and they're searching they're trying to SEO shit and just you know advertise and yeah So I give a point. I know if you include them probably 70 to 80 percent. It's pereter principle There's actually it's a minority of men in the man's fear and content creators who are legit The mean well who are doing well by the community. They're making money at what they do Hopefully if that's part of what they do some people don't they really don't they don't do shit with it, right? They just kind of doing the thing But you know, there's there's a chunk of guys who are doing well and most people are not though It's 70 80 percent. I would say yeah, we're just really like really serious frauds. You mentioned these these big internet marketers I don't even go into them sometimes that's that's to me like a lost cause Because they're so massive and they have so much. They're so motivated to be scam artists. It's like Well, they're direct response also like you get you get hit with a sales presentation You make the buy decision. They're not going and researching this whole thing before they before they purchase Yeah, yeah, and they're not even they're not even aware of competitors, for example Or people who are criticizing this stuff. So to me what matters there's like you have internet marketers floating ground doing the scammy bullshit You then have what I call the man is here light, which are guys who are not super involved But sort of jordan peterson types to found them all in you guys like this sargon of the cod They try to help men and focus talk about these issues for men, right fatherhood You know feminism all this crap me too crap false allegations Then you have like the core man is fear which is I think where you and I operate And that to me is where it matters because if you can heal that and focus on that and fix that That will spread if they could disseminate out as best as they can You know, I don't know what we can do to stop without otherwise with that class action lawsuits against these guys That's a big deal that that's actually how you stop these massive frauds from going on But how much time and attention can you devote to that and who's going to get it done? God bless you if you can get that done dude. I'm I support you a hundred percent on it I just don't know if i'm going to spend, you know, a huge amount of money in my life and time I went to war with roller to mossy because I thought it was the right thing to do I took a lot of fucking bullets for it and a lot of heat death threats all kinds of shit, right? It cost me a lot of money But I put my balls in my money where my mouth is when I thought I really counted And I still do that from time to time, you know, donovan shart has been attacking me, you know For over a month now. I let it slide. I let it slide. I'm like, fuck this loser. I don't want to deal with this His girl Oh, she's disgusting. Yeah, it's it's brutal. You you did it You did a criticism of that and you hit the nail on the head of three And um, you know, if a guy's dating if a guy's dating a five and calls her a six, you know I don't care I'm not here to nitpick with people about you know upping a girl Because they have beer goggles or girlfriend goggles or whatever But when you're tripping when you're tripling numbers, it's a problem So your analysis of that was spot-on 100% like really spot-on And I wish guys would watch more of your videos man. I hope they did but he's like ultra popular, right? Nah, he cares. His channel's dying. That's why he's drama marketing now That's why he's attacking everyone his channels. He had some sort of I guess he's getting like shadow bands on his channel, which happens to like every youtube channel That's not mainstream. So he's kind of frustrated with that. I think that's why it's drama marketing I hadn't talked to him in months and this dude came out of nowhere attacking me I kind of knew I kind of figured out last year. It's kind of piece of shit. I'm like, man, fuck this I'm gonna stay away this dude. He dropped out of 21 convention and he blames stifan molyneux and kandace owens Which is so weird because kandace owens is is this black Anti-feminist conservative woman who I don't have anything to do with I've like retweeted or something, right? So he drops out a 21 convention a 22 convention blames This you know feminist black chick that or anti-feminist black chick that he hates On me because I retweeted or something or stifan molyneux retweeted or one of our speakers Then he blames stifan molyneux for going after george floyd all this crap I'm like, this is a bunch of fake news garbage like the fuck Anyway, he started attacking me like a month ago out of nowhere And that really was you know surprising because it didn't make any sense like I hadn't talked to this guy There's been no communication at all. There was no public problem with them Even in private I was getting suspicious, but I was like, I don't have any fucking beef with this dude He comes out of nowhere coming at me attacking me, right? And they is like, oh, I'm not attacking Anthony, but he he goes on these hour-long tirades about how untrustworthy and what a scumbag I am I'm not attacking Anthony, but let me spend 45 minutes bitching about how much I hate him, right? It's all this backhanded like you're saying this Nietzsche this Nietzsche shit. It's clown world. It's upside down, right? Oh, I want to unite the vanisphere, but let me go attack everybody, you know for no fucking reason This dude came out of his fucking fake bullshit And finally, you know the day I was like fuck this shit. I'm done. This guy went too far He's lying about the can of so and stuff. He's lying about all this fucking garbage He's secretly married to that chick by the way. I don't know if you know that Yeah, he had a secret wedding with her He had a wedding I don't know if he's legally married like with a with a license because he tried to copy what I did which is called private marriage So I don't know if he went through with the marriage license or not But he had a secret wedding and a secret honeymoon 2019 and summer that's why he didn't speak at a poem convention. He was on like a honeymoon and shit And then he even had a for his first anniversary in florida last year and in florida He told me this shit like it's fucking crazy So this guy, I mean, it's it's so fucked dude And uh, people don't know that he lot he bashes marriage all day long on his channel, right? I mean, hey, if you have criticisms of marriage, you know, I do too Say with rollo, right? Yeah, rollo's a massive fraud in like 10 different ways, but rollo's also a doxer, which is way more serious I mean, it's one thing to scam dudes out of like a 57 dollar ebook But if you're actually doxing dudes and trying to ruin their life, uh, just to make yourself famous That's like super fucked ultra fucked. Yeah, I can't I can't get around the people that are that are Not practicing what they preach. So donovan donovan's all in marriage and got a secret wedding Yeah, exactly his his girl his wife girlfriend, whatever the fuck owns him. She completely runs his ass. It's pathetic It's really pathetic like it is so It is so opposite how he presents himself in public like I am who I am. I'm not perfect, right? I've made mistakes in my life. I do what I do. I piss people off. I go to war for what I believe in You know, and that's gonna cause ruffle feathers and shit right like you But I am who I am like I can talk to Xavier talk to socrates talk to the guys who fucking know me for 15 years I am who I am. I am who I am on the internet in real life. It is what it is That's confusing to people because I'm like I make these memes and piss off all these people, right? And all this shit, but I am who I am these dudes are not they're the opposite of who they are They they present all these these fucking fake tough guys, right? Um, fuck marriage fuck marriage fuck marriage. What does he do? He secretly gets married behind the scenes has a wedding has a honeymoon Then he hides it He lies to his audience about it to get more money out of them and scan them out of more fucking courses from other The circle the circle jerk of dick sucking that they do the affiliate marketing It's insane. It's disgusting. That's like the dating syndicate. You know, that's that's what that's all about That's what they have a miniature version of that. Basically. They just suck each other's dicks, right? Rolla tamasi goes around calling everybody a propa pill core script or core script or core script or selling courses What does he do? He goes and sells them all these courses I mean the fucking hypocrisy is insane and because they're all it's a circle jerk of These courses are my my material. Yeah, it's dude. It's fraudception like it's straight up like matrix level fraud It's like layer after layer after layer of fraud and deception and scams and just this horrible shit And I know what I do is amazing 21 conventions the most amazing convention in the world for men I bust my fucking ass 15 fucking years on a road to do it. It is really really really really fucking good 99% of guys who've ever gone to it fucking love it. It is the most amazing event you'll ever go to It's super professional too. It's on par or better than almost any event You'll ever go to in your life of its type in terms of like a convention and stuff It's really fucking good. We have security law enforcement professional film teams All kinds of fucking shit for an event like this and then we hide the venue from feminists and shit They tried to fuck it up last year like get us cancelled and shit for the woman's event Calling they wanted to call it bomb threats. They're talking about all kinds of fucked up shit But i'm good at what I do. I'm really good at what I do. That's how our people's respect I build physical shit in real life none of these digital fucking gay conferences online. I hate that shit I do real shit. That's really hard. These are four or five day long conferences, right? I work 20 hours a day on this shit bust my fucking ass to do real shit And you know, I charge a premium price and people pay it or they don't I charge, you know $1,000 minimum for a ticket to the event, but if you don't want to go you can just watch the speeches on the internet I don't care Don't want to come don't come if you want to support an awesome movement though in an awesome convention That's like ted talks for men that are otherwise banned from ted type events You would never get invited you would never get invited to a ted talk john 90 million fucking years of ted event But 21 convention come speak your peace man. I'm all about it And it's a it's a big open dialogue too, right? Dude, there are guys there that will speak at a different event for fathers We have the patriarch event that are pastors and reverends and all kinds of stuff and we get along Right, we have shared values in some ways and shared visions for the world And we're all pro men and pro masculinity is what I get that's a sense I got from you you want to help men you want to see them do better And fundamentally that's where your head needs to be not to scam them rip them off all this bullshit These fly-by-night fucking coaches and marketers that pop in and out, you know, three years at a time You've been around a long time in the community and I appreciate that and I respect that It's the ultimate test, right time will you pass the test of time? I have I've been in this for 15 fucking years My events are better than anyone's in the world's no one else even compares to 21 convention by far They can all fucking lick my balls all of them are dead anyway All these can where's rsd world summit gone all these other conventions gone gone dead dead dead What keeps going what keeps persisting? 21 convention over and over and over and over again all over the fucking world when there's not the scamdemic crap going on So, I don't know Yeah, what you said I respect that a lot about about how you just like You know speak your mind and what and people like you're on the same way It's like that scene scarface where he's like, uh, I always tell the truth even when he when I lie He's like he's like Basically everybody else is the same, but they just all fucking hide Yeah Yeah, it's the hiding it's the hiding and deception and misrepresentation. That's really disgusting Like it is not it's not just it's fun to insult it and make fun of it It's really disgusting when someone gets married and then you know So when someone like donovan shark bashes fucking marriage and single moms and all this shit, right? And then he secretly gets fucking married behind the scenes as a secret wedding and a secret fucking honeymoon And then he continues a really fucking ugly chick Yeah, it's she's it's that bad like I'm not gonna get into it because I've met her in real life a couple times But your analysis is spot on I don't dispute it in the slightest And and I say that in particular because the dude's tripling numbers like three to he calls her a nine and it's not a nine It's a three Like that's really bad, man I don't look if guys if I don't you know everybody's preferences, right? You know if some guy's dating a five and he thinks she's a six I'm not gonna go to war with him over like it is what it is men But don't don't fucking piss in my leg and tell me it's raining Don't fucking fuck twos fat ugly twos and tell me they're sixes, right? You're fucking heffa lumps like these fucking war elephants and tell me they're hot like no, you're crazy You're the delusional man is what it is. They're fucking delusional So, uh, I think she's a nine Yeah, look on his channel. He calls her a nine. He calls her a nine. It's it's insane It is I do behind the scenes people people see this shit and like did you see him say this? I'm like, yeah, it's this old pictures Uh, sort of on his instagram and stuff a little bit, but dude in real life It's it's you're out your spot on like I'm just gonna say it's right up like your analysis you hit the nail on the head That's the exact number I had like you nailed it 100 and it's it's worse in real life And when and when it's below when it's below and guys look at that as shallow or whatever But when it's below average and you're a guru why why are normal people out there? Bang girls hotter than you the with with no understanding of anything When I first when I first met her I was the first thing I thought I was like I thought donovan could do way better than this like why is he with this chick But then I'm in the middle of a conference with 200 and something men and I don't know fucking time for this Shit, you know, I'm working. I'm on an hour of sleep, you know for the fifth day in a row I got shit to get I got shit to do now. It's a mental note in the back of my head. Obviously like that was really weird like why is why is he dating this chick but When you when you're dealing dude, I have I have relationships with like over 150 speakers that I have to kind of maintain and manage I don't know as I have time to go like, you know investigate this shit You know your analysis spot on and this dude deciding to attack me in public unprovoked And then kind of then he played the victim card. Oh, this dude starts fights with people, right? Then he gets punched in the face and he's like, oh, why'd you hit me bro? It's like because you're a piece of shit and you decided to attack me like you fucked up, dude What do you think was gonna happen? You're gonna fuck with me. I'm gonna knock your teeth out like that's how this goes So so he's he's not coming to the convention anymore or you said he dropped out, right? Yeah, he dropped out then he tried to get back in he begged me on text message to get back in He dropped out in the summer All right, he blamed canna sowing since defend mollinue He dropped out of two conventions the one for the women and the one for the men Then we drop a speaker list. He sees all these amazing speakers, right that he didn't know about And then all of a sudden he says he regurgitates the exact same shit. I told him on the phone Like dropping out is stupid. Why would you drop out for this stupid bullshit? Canna sowing is not even a speaker. That doesn't make sense, right? He comes back instead, you know, to find molly. He already took selfies with defend mollinue like a few months before this, right? He's taken selfies with defend mollinue this big youtuber. He's all about, you know, showing off He's hanging out to defend mollinue a few months later He's bitching about defend mollinue saying you got to boot him out of 21 convention or I'm going to drop out And I don't fucking roll like that people don't boss me around you don't tell me what to do at my own convention If you have hard evidence of someone doing something really bad You need to show me and I'll take a look at it because that could be bad for me That could be bad for my friends. That could be bad for my company and that could be bad for the speakers So defend mollinue is dropping n bombs criticizing, you know, george floyd. That's a problem I need a video. I need a timecode. I need a time stamp But if you're just disagreeing with somebody another alumni speaker, I don't care That's not unless there's something hardcore going on that I need to know about I don't want to fucking hear it Don't fucking take selfies of people and be all happy, you know, taking you know smiling with them Then you get mad at them a month later and come to me like i'm your fucking daddy like get the fuck out of here I don't have time for this shit. I'm a fucking i'm an entrepreneur. I'm serious about what I do and I care about it But anyway, he dropped out of 21 convention a week later or whatever week and a half and june july 2020 I put out the speaker list for the event people go ape shit all of a sudden who pops back on my phone donovan shard Oh, hey, man. I want to get back in, you know, blah, blah, blah It's like you dropped out a fucking week ago. You want to drop out of an event and drop back in What is this fucking musical chairs? Get the fuck out of here. I don't have time for that shit Like it's fucking stupid, man This is the kind of shit you have to deal with the behind the scenes like and then this comes out and attacks me himself I see some of my personality in you Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah, it's the name dude. It's it's the other name, right? I always say get the fuck out of here. I'm looking at some of these comments People are saying this is more cognitive cognitive dissonance. Shit donovan says she brings quality because she can create websites He's way more transparent than you dude. No, she's basically runs his fucking she runs his ass, dude It's disgusting. Like it's a super beta relationship. It's pathetic Like it's it's really that bad same with rola dude. Like it's all these fucks So a three rating married in secret and she's and she's wearing the pants too It's about as bad as it gets and he's preaching the direct opposite Never get married that women rule you Uh, this is just this even the marriage stuff says tip of the iceberg It's it's actually worse like the like the rest of the rabbit hole you mentioned this dark rabbit hole It just gets worse and worse the real shit about donovan and all these guys It's just it's an endless it's an endless fucking bottomless pit of dumb fuckery and just fraud and retarded shit It's like it's so fucked dude. It is so fucking toxic And we have to do the best we can with it to deal with it, you know, like there's so much of it It's overwhelming. It's a tidal wave of bullshit and fraud the tsunami of fraud Yeah, there's there's like a long list of guys that I haven't even addressed yet that are like in my sights, you know But yeah, I might just put on a different channel just to not fucking Exactly risk the channel put on a new channel And then just link it from a community tab and drive traffic to it to keep your channel safe Or you can even use bit shoot for it use bit shoot use library because that's off platforms That's hard for them to even go after those those sites won't take your shut down unless it's illegal They're not going to take it down. It's free speech, you know gab tv little bit shoot library. You can do that But you know when they come out, let me know man If you're making videos that have evidence and you have, you know legitimate criticisms of people you should put them out And I'll promote them as best I can, you know my twitter and my accounts and stuff And go to war man people need to do it people need balls This is a savagery that the man is for needs and a lax because it's filled with these fucking beta sheep And man or sheep and shit We need man man to be mad you said it you said it exactly right as there's there's this like Masquerading alphas that are actually very beta themselves Yep pushing lots of beta behavior disguises alpha behavior and the whole thing slipped up to them Yeah, it's fucked. We'll talk more about it, but this has been awesome show man. I really appreciate it. Yeah Thanks for having me. Yeah, let me let me just direct it forever still Still on check out uh John Anthony lifestyle youtube the eight-week mentorship program I run is platinum dating system.com At the bottom there you can get on a free 30 may call me I'll explain that But I can't post for another like five days, but I'm back daily content after that shit clears And we'll look forward to the the second channel with all the all the blasting and yeah, I'd appreciate You got a much bigger reach than me. I got a lot of stuff to say about these motherfuckers Yeah, man go to war dude and all about it. You want to go to war take you to war good I'm all about I'll support you and also links you mentioned that you just you know these these links are in the video description Actually right now. So if you're on facebook or youtube watching this the links are there Check out his channel. Uh, you know john anthony, uh, pick up or what are these first on youtube? john anthony And then visit platinum dating systems.com boom John appreciate your time appreciate it brother Everyone else Meeting when it when is the uh the conference? October October 2021 Yeah, I'm working the exact dates I have but I'm still kind of nailing them down the details and stuff And it's going to be three conventions at once 21 summit will have 21 convention for men 21 convention for fathers a patriarch edition and the 22 convention for women to make women great again So it's a great time. It's a lot of fun. This will be in florida. Oh, yeah, orlando. It's where we're founded Yep, sweet. Okay. You can get Xavier man. Get the guys Awesome. Yeah, I appreciate. Yeah. Thanks for bringing me on. This was cool. Yes, sir Actually pretty close. I had no idea Yeah, man. This has been really fun Well, and I'll hear though everyone else. Thanks for watching the red man group episode 136. I'm pretty sure pretty sure it's 136 I'll see you next week 11 30 a.m. On the red man group and 21 studios Peace out hit the like button. Leave a comment comments are really important. Thank you. All right guys. Thanks