 So, this is not here. There we go. Where's the music one? It's under friend. It's good. We're live. Okay, we're live. Hi, everybody. This is David Shepard. I'm coming to you from the Charleston Scottish games. Yes. Here on the river. Love it. I'm excited about seeing you guys here. I've got my. I've got my kilt almost boring, but I'm relaxed today. I'm not wearing all the goodies. I've got my spore in my belt. So I'm having a great time here with my wife and my daughter's son-in-law. And we are here to talk about collaboration on WikiTree. And we have a couple of questions that we're going to ask. And I'm going to just turn it over to the guys and let them learn with it. And I want to mention before we get started that whenever someone asked me about the best thing about WikiTree, there's a lot of great things about WikiTree. But one of the best things about WikiTree is collaboration. People working together to help each other do research to build family, family lines and to make connections. I think collaboration is the cat's meow for WikiTree. My first question for the crowd here is how has an individual helped you in collaborating in your research? So we'll start with David. So when I first joined WikiTree, I wasn't sure what I was getting into, but I started posting my tree. And my biggest brick wall had to do with the Her Line family from Philadelphia. The Her Lines were at the time some fairly prominent mythographers in Philadelphia. And I knew they came from Germany. I knew whereabouts in Germany. And I also know that there were some very famous artists from the same area in Germany, but I couldn't make the connection. I figured they had to be with a name like Her Line. They had to be connected. I don't know yet how or how to find out. So I posted a message on G2G and within 24 hours a gentleman from Germany and from Bavaria had gone down to his local archive and done the research and figured out how my family was connected to the German Her Lines. So this puzzle that I've had, this brick wall that I've had for decades, involved within 24 hours. And the thing was that this gentleman was actually from Germany. I've thought many times about hiring a genealogist from Germany to do the research, but that's expensive and you never know what you're going to get for your money. So I always put that off. I never got around to doing it. And wound up saving a whole lot of money because somebody just out of the kindness of his heart went and solved my brick wall for me. And I've been hooked on a wiki tree ever since. David, I think that everybody who has joined a wiki tree has come with brick walls that they've had for decades. So to get those broken down by the collaboration is really a great advance. Let's go down to Sandy. Sandy, tell us about how Nenegiul has helped you with your collaborating in your research. My situation is similar, but it's not as personal. I happened to work with the Southeast U.S. Mining Disasters Group, and I'm working on the coal miners that were in the disaster from West Virginia in particular. And I knew that there were a lot of different immigrants that came over there, but the ones that seem to be the most challenging for me are the Welch. I just cannot get through to their naming conventions and their town names and things like that. And oddly enough, I did a hangout and one of the hangout members that probably everybody knows is John Tyner was in there. And I happened to mention that I need some help with the Welch. And the next thing I know, on Discord, he came and said, what is it you need? I had three different Welch coal miners that had sadly died in the mining disaster. He took those names. I had them up on WikiTree, took those names as profiles, and within two days had connected them, had added their families, and had been going all the way back and giving me immigration dates and information. And it's the same with David. I could not pay for this type of genealogy research. It would just be so expensive. But I feel like because somebody was an immigrant, wasn't in the U.S. that long into dying in a disaster, I gave them a story now, all because of John. Otherwise, they were just going to be known as they died. So I've probably fed them my help from, I call them Iris John. Iris John, yeah, that's right. There were a lot of coal miners who left Wales and moved to Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Lots of them, lots of sellers in that area that were miners before and moved to the U.S. to mine. So yeah, it's very appropriate that somebody who can make those connections for you. Oops, sorry. That was a blown one last night. I have my balloons. Are we awake now? If not, we are now. That's a great story, Sandy. That really does show how collaboration works. Even in things like when you personally work on something that's not directly related to your family, even then, collaboration works for you. Emma, let's go to Emma and see what she has to share with us. So the thing that stands out, I've had a lot of help on a lot of brick walls and a lot of many, many things. But the thing that stood out the most was in 2017 when my grandfather was, he was just about to pass away. And part of the reason I got into genealogy was because of my grandmother who had done genealogy for as long as I can remember. And I wanted to give him more of his story before he passed away. And he had a Norwegian grandfather that we just have his name. We knew where he was born. We have his birthday, but that was it. We hadn't gone over the water with him. And I posted in G2G. I said, who can help me? I've never done Norwegian research before. I wasn't as experienced with genealogy back then. And Linda Crackett came on and she has a lot of experience with Norwegian genealogy. And before I knew it, she not only had his baptism record, which showed us he was born with a different name than what he used when he was in America, which that alone was exciting. He found out that he had a brother who also came over with him, but died so soon that he didn't know the census record. And then I would say he had several more generations because once you have a baptism record, and it gives the parents, and then you get those names and you get their marriage. You can keep going as far as the records until you run out of records. I'm still actually still going now that I know because she showed me how to read the records that I was looking at. So I have several more generations. I was able to tell my grandfather before he passed away, the information about his grandfather that they didn't know it was completely brand new. So it was a very, it was a very special, very, very special help. You know, it wasn't just adding to the tree. It was doing something special for Mike. Yes, that's right. You know, a lot of the things that I've learned since, you know, my grandparents died in the 1980s. There are things that I wish that I could share with them, especially those things that I've learned on week and treat with the help of other people. So with my grandmother, they would have just loved that kind of information. So it's great that you have the chance to share that on. It really is. Jenny, would you like to share with us how... Yes, very quickly, I'm going to say that Emma was a great help to me one time because I was struggling with doing DNA confirmation statements. We didn't have the out that we have now. And I've had a problem with someone over there. So Emma stuck and rescued me. And I've been forever grateful. I had a, now a former WikiTree member to step in. And I posted on in the G2G forum, my husband's family is all French except for the fields. They're Irish, but the rest of them are Acadians. And this couple, somehow they were still in France. And I knew exactly where their marriage record was. But I didn't read French well enough to... When I got into the website, I couldn't figure out what was theirs. So I posted it on G2G, but I need some help with this. Can anybody look this up? I told them exactly where the website and exactly who I was looking for and the set of records and everything. It might have been an hour later. I not only had that, this person had put on there. He also gave me their baptismal records. He gave me their parents. He gave me their grandparents. He just kept going and kept going. It was post after post after post. And then finally he just went and added a couple of generations so that he could just post them to them. And I was back and got everything arranged. And it was just phenomenal. And then he turned those profiles over to me to be profiling. And he left wiki trees soon after that. Not because there was anything wrong. I think he just had other irons in the fire. But I was so overwhelmed and grateful for that help. It was just, I would never have gotten all of that on my own. Yeah. Anyone, do you want to share a quick one that someone's helped you with? I do. It's a little different. But my grandmother's line had always been a little bit slow working back. And I think I only had to like her grandfather. And someone was researching their great-great-grandparents who came across my profile. And so then they created a wiki tree profile and made contact. And we ended up being third cousins. Oh, cool. Yeah. But he had some pieces of the puzzle. And I had some pieces of the puzzle. And so when we were able to connect, we were actually be able to go back a couple more generations, which is when we discovered that we were third cousins. I did. I think I worked on two of those. One of them was not solved, but left enough for me to do for the research. Another one was not only solved to be back two generations. And you know, in colonial North Carolina, it's really hard to, further back ago, the hard of those records are to track down. And believe it or not, it went to my website. Solved it. I was working on this particular profile. And I was able to carry records on it. It's not true always. And you have somebody who has some real expertise in another area. And of course, when people do help you out, things like that. I mentioned another one was, several of you mentioned hosting the G2G, the whole German immigrants. And so I posted, I posted one day, so I was able to decide for that. It was a really good picture. It was able to give me a translation that helped immensely with that family. So willing to, to... You know, we can't understand you. The wind's too bad. Not really. Is that better? A little bit better. A little bit better. Okay. I'll just talk really loud. See if that'll help. There's no place to get out of the wind here. So I'll just, I'll just have to try my best. Okay. That's better. Okay. Good. One of the things we wanted to also talk about is how project work has helped with your personal research or how you have helped somebody else within a project to do their work. So we'll just go back to the same round again and see how that goes. If you have something to share, move it. Move along with it. And if you don't, then move to the next person. So let's start with David. Let's see what he has to say. So what I wanted to talk about, we have a whole lot of projects on, on WikiTree. But what I wanted to let people know about it, if they're not familiar with it already, is how to use free space pages to create their own projects. Right. That's something that I really enjoy doing. I'm a member of the Notables Project. And what we do is we try to connect famous people from all time periods and all fields, get them connected to the tree. Just just something kind of fun to do, a break from our own family trees. But I've started a couple of mini projects. I'm very fascinated with early entertainment people. So silent film stars, and I decided in my first free space page, I did the cast of the Disney film Snow White. And when I did, I created a free space page. I listed all of the cast members with a link to their profile. Those that didn't have profiles, I created the profile for and then opened it up on G2G. Told people come on over and let's see if we can get these people connected. Since then, we've expanded that to the classic Disney project. And we have, I think, 18 Disney films now that we've connected on the cast score. If people aren't interested in working on trees outside of their own, well, we can still use those free space pages to create mini projects. I'm working on one right now. I have the diary of one of my ancestors. And I've gone through and I've listed all the people that he's mentioned in the town that he lived in. And I'm going to go through kind of doing that cluster genealogy or they call it the fan club genealogy where you check out the neighbors and the pastor and the doctor and those people that are mentioned. So I just listed everybody that's, they're all from the same town, from the same time period. List everybody, get links to their pages, create pages if they don't have them. And then another one that I'd like to work on is I have a photograph of my grandfather's World War II unit. It's got about 25 people. And he's written their names on the back of the, on the page. But I have no idea who any of these people are. So I'm going to list that and see if anybody recognizes anybody and make some connections and see if we can do that. So if you've got any kind of research that you want to do outside just your straight family line, you'll go ahead and set up your space page, announce it on G2G and see what kind of help you can get. That is a great idea. And I'm probably going to be speaking, I'm thinking of photographs that I have that have names written in the back because my grandfather's really good at that. And that would be something that I could really get into. A particular picture that my grandfather had was when he was in what was called the Mount Holly Band. And this was back in the early 19-teens, maybe even earlier than that, maybe 1909. But he had a picture and he's got nearly all of the band members listed on the back. And I think that would be a great project. Yeah. A family reunion. If you've got a yearbook, you've got any number of things that don't, again, don't quite fit into your own family tree. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Well, I've got a lot of that stuff, so maybe that's something I really need to work on. That would really help out a lot. Yeah, I just wanted to say that David, and especially the Disney project, is a really good example of you don't have to wait for the team or for the leaders to do something that you're interested in. Like, he had this idea. He wanted to do it. And so he started it, asked it to people to help. And it turned into a really cool little, but not even little, like it's a pretty cool project that people got involved in. And so, like, don't feel like you have to wait for us to do something, like, run with it. It's great. Yeah, and initially that was my hesitation. I thought, am I supposed to get this approved by somebody? And I just decided maybe three says ever just go for it. So I went for it. That's what free space projects are for. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great idea. Great idea. I hope more people will pick up on that and do that kind of work. That's great. Sandy, let's go to you. And really quick, I want to just congratulate David on a specific page that I refer people to a lot on your Disney project. It's a page that what makes a complete profile. I'm glad you found that. I have found it, and I have shared it. So for those of you out there, go to his Disney project page and he has a great link at what makes a great profile. And I find that a lot of the people that are new to Wiki Tree love that page as well. I always try and share it. As far as a project collaborate, I always tell people if you have a special interest or topic, join the project, join them and don't be shy. Go full in. Go into the emails that they send. Go into the discord and just chat. Ask, you know, if you need help or if you need anything. I think the reason why I love the projects that I'm in so much is I like the topical ones that the side projects, like you said, the free state free space pages. I really enjoy working on the research of people that I might not normally know and come to find out because of all the October issue, fabulous conditions. I now find that people I thought I had no clue that they were even related to me are like second or third cousins now all because I started working on some topical project. It is funny because a lot of us will see something on TV, a TV show or somebody passed away or there's a show on PBS about, you know, the province of Georgia, for example, in the Southern colonies and we'll start working those lists of people and we find out, wow, this collaboration not only amongst our project groups and we all join together to research, but we're related. Somehow we're related because we have these tools now that tell us on each profile that we're related. I just can't say enough for each project and I've worked heavily in Emma's project. I just can't say enough to how much people and projects will dump in. All you got to do is say help or can you look at this? I need another eye or do you think that... I have become, you know, virtual friends with these people. I trust their opinions and I've become really, really good friends with the collaboration. I trust what, if they say, that looks great or you need help or you need to work, I trust it. So I really love the collaboration of the people on topical and in particular topics. Right, right. Emma, let's go to you. Well, first I have to say there's so many projects, like where do you even begin? When I first came to Wakey Tree, I joined all the projects. It was like being a kid in a candy store and I wanted to do it all and then as I got more responsibility, I had to start backing out because I was like, I can't keep up. I can't keep up. But they're all so amazing and there's so much fun. I think it's a fun party to be in a project. And I'm glad that David brought up the idea that you can start a project if one doesn't exist. I remember several years ago, I went into G2G and I said, oh my gosh, why don't we have a France project? Like that's a major important country, especially for all of us who are Quebec law and our roots come from France and Abby came in and said, well, why don't you start it? And I was like, really? Okay. And so I did and then two other people came on and started helping me get it started and I was able to hand that off to people in France and now it's a full-blown project. So it has to start somewhere and why not with you? So David, I think your Disney project is amazing. I love watching your posts. Oh, thank you. It's so much fun. But close to my heart, of course, is the US Black Heritage Project. We have the most amazing collaboration that has been within that project. And it's like being in a room where you raise your hand and say, I've got this going on. Who can help me? And someone's immediately raising their hand and saying, I have an answer for that. I'm trying to solve this research problem. Who's got a source for me? Someone pops in and says they have a source. Or where do I look for this? How do I solve this? And it's almost, it's so fast that people come in and give answers to everybody else. And also just the crowd sourcing is the best word I can think of. We have the most friends or work days where we want to accomplish, you know, let's finish this set of records together. We just had one last weekend in two cemeteries in Fairfax County, Virginia. And I thought, OK, by the end of the weekend, I think we'll have this done. I'm very confident. In half the time we had allotted, we were done. I was just like, my mind was blown. And then people went on and added more family to the people who were late to rest from the cemetery that we had created profiles for. So we ended up with hundreds of additional profiles by the end of the weekend. And I was just, I was just so emotional. I was like, this is what happens when motivated people get together and help each other out on a shared project. And we do it every day in the US Black Heritage Program. It's such a positive environment to be in when you're working with other people on a shared goal. It's so uplifting. It's so exciting. And if you're not in a project, join a project. You will not regret it. That's correct. Yes. OK, Jenny, let's go to you. Well, I'm a member of several projects, but one that I was kind of, I guess, a little bit early on, I had been a member for a few years, but nestled under the United States Project is the Southern Pioneer Project. And since all of my family, both sides, are Southerners, I had some people who qualified for the Pioneer Trail. And so I joined it and I asked, you know, OK, what do I need to do? And I got help from a couple of people there. One was Lynette Jester. She's the one that reviewed one of my trails. And she was very good. And it made me take a look. I had these ancestors. I knew who they were. I'd worked on them on other venues and as well as I had them in WikiTree by that time. But it made me take another look at them and make sure that I had sources on there that connected each one to the previous generation. And sometimes it gets a little difficult when you get back there. You might not. There's census records don't list children, so you kind of have to have something else. And so anyway, it made me take a really close look at those profiles and bring them up completely to speed and now they have the trail posted on their profiles. And I went on and I did another one also, another trail. So I was pretty proud of that. And I had a lot of help from the project for that. And I don't know how active that project is right now because those were the only trails I could actually do at the time. And I haven't checked back in to see if they're still doing that. But it was fun and it was rewarding. And the project was a huge help. The people in the project were a huge help. Yeah. That's great. I would like to mention a couple of types of projects that people don't normally think about. But some of the functional project require a lot of collaboration. I've been a greeter for about four years now. And it requires a tremendous amount of collaboration for us to work together. Even if we're working alone, we can always depend on other people being crowned somewhere to help us make sure that we're able to functionally do what we need to do as greeters. Often we will have spammers trying to come in and it takes a collaborative effort to make sure that they really are spammers and not somebody who's legit and to take care of that kind of business. I see this also work that way in the Rangers project where we are looking for people who might be doing damage to the tree and that requires a lot of communication too. So even the functional projects that help with the structure of wiki tree and the smooth running of wiki tree that requires a lot of collaboration too. So we've got some great examples here of that type of work. A.M., would you like to share something about a project that you have worked with? Oh my gosh. Which project haven't I worked with? I would just say the exact same thing. What project have you not been a part of? I was just saying last night in the Australia project presentation that I didn't have a reason to join that and then I remembered that my husband is half Australian. So his mom was born there. So I could join that one too if I wanted. I think I have a soft spot for the ones Pip was just talking about because I was usually like kind of in the beginning stages of most of the developing of them and have watched them really grow over the years. You know, the ones where they really get to interact the greeters and the mentors and they're just so helpful. Every project is helpful but we have like an appreciation project where they go around just thanking people for doing things and recognizing and I think that helps contribute to the friendly community that we have. The ones that work with our, we have the conflict escalation process when unfortunately we have conflict and the projects that are involved with that and helping resolve the conflicts and hopefully most of the time stopping things before it gets too easy and helping people get back in and be successful on wiki tree. I love those. And then the Titanic one, it was kind of like Emma, I had just been a grader. I was pretty new to wiki tree still. And I was asking one of the grader leaders like, can you just start a Titanic project? And she was like, you can start a Titanic project. And I was like, I can do that. And then it's funny because like the next week I got an invitation to be a leader. So then I got to lead the Titanic project, which has since moved into very capable hands. But I was also going to say, you know, we do the member of the week features where we interview different members. And one of the things we ask is what advice do you have for new members? And I would say that nine out of 10 of them say join a project because it's how you can connect to the community. Like when I first joined wiki tree, there were projects and there was the community, but I didn't know it because, you know, it was all I saw was my tree. I didn't know how to get involved. And so I didn't get involved for about a year until I came back and realized, holy cow, there's this whole thing going on here. So the sooner you get into a project, the sooner you find that community and the support. And it just helps you be more successful on wiki tree and make friends. Like I think it was Sandy that said virtual friends. It's great. Can I add something about the mentor project? People that are brand new. If you are just feeling overwhelmed, there's so much to do on wiki tree. And it's very different than a lot of other, your websites like ancestry and family search. If you're just feeling overwhelmed and trying to get started and you need assistance, you can go on and request a mentor and we will send you somebody who will just take you by the hand and walk you through every step of the way. We can help you just with general questions or we can help you with getting your profile set up, getting family tree connected. Whatever it is you need, we'll get somebody to walk you through one-on-one and help you out with that. So it isn't just for advanced people ready to move on to the next step, wanting to join projects, but people that have no idea what they're doing can ask for help and we'll get it for you. I keep, like this whole weekend, I keep thinking of that slogan from Harry Potter. The help is always available at Hogwarts for those who ask for it. It keeps coming up about how helpful our members are. Help is always available at wiki tree if you ask for it. Yeah, that's exactly right. I'll tell you one of the most interesting things being a part of a functional project, the greeters visit. Every once in a while, someone who has been a guest member for ages will finally join. And there have been twice that I have, on my greetings, that I have met someone and upgraded, that A1 was the one who greeted them in 2012 or 13. So this is way back. A1 has been here a long time. Yeah, I've run into that too, A1 greeting where somebody was greeted years ago and then they come back and join. It's always great to see those people come back too. It really is. I'll tell you another thing that helps in a smaller way with collaboration in the greeters project is sometimes someone will ask for help about GEDCOMs, about DNA, about how do I find, and we have become specialists at being able to send certain kinds of help pages to those people to help them out. And once in a while, if someone asks me a direct question about genealogy, which I'm not required in the greeters project to help with, sometimes I'll be able to find something just only real quick to help them get started with some good stuff. I did this the other day with someone who had Puerto Rican ancestry from their ancestor in the 1920 census there. So it was a good start for them. So that's always a lot of work. It really is. One of the things that we use in collaboration, aside from Google groups and G2G and even private messages, is our Discord channel. I noticed that... Yep, I sure did. I will greet you, that's right. We use Discord for instant communication. A lot of times in Google groups, it depends on who's watching their email or online. But if you're online and in a Discord group, it can be instantaneous collaboration. I've noticed in particular in several projects, maybe I should say particularly in the Appalachian project, the Appalachian project has a very busy Discord channel where a lot of collaboration goes on constantly, from early in the morning until late at night. So I know some of you are also on Discord and are able to work in certain projects or even with individuals. I'd like you to share a little bit about your experiences with Discord and collaboration. Who wants to jump in first? I'll jump in first. I love Discord. I'm so glad it became... I was very reluctant to use it at first because I'm not on social media much. But once I got started with it, I was hooked because I'm a very, very chatty person and the fact that I can chat with people while I'm working, the fact I can... And I'm also impatient. So I want an answer now if I can get an answer now. So I can go into the general chat and just tag it for whatever country or topic I'm working on and say... Bye. ...with this. And it's been amazing because recently I was trying to solve a serious problem and I posted, I said, who can tell me what county I'm looking for? I'm not finding the census record. And somebody came on and said, those were burned, so you're not going to find it. And that saved me hours of work trying to look for this thing that didn't exist. So yeah, if you're not on Discord, I highly recommend it because not only will you get the real-time help, but it's just a lot of fun to be able to talk to people, collaborate with people, get to know people better. It's a great place to just... Because there's channels where you can just chat about whatever you want to chat about. And it's a great way to get to know people. Well, I'll tell you one of the great things about Discord is that even within a project, you can have several channels. And so you may have one where you just kind of do some general chatting and it's allowed you to do some more personal stuff and laughing about this and that. You can have the help-needed, category-needed research-assisting channels even within the same project. So it's not like you have just one channel for the project. You have actually several within the one. And it allows for you to be more targeted in your messaging when you need help with something or when you just want to share something. Sandy knows when I'm talking about that Appalachia project, the boomer of a Discord gel. Would you like to share a little bit about that, Sandy? It is. And I think that what is interesting about ours is we kind of tried it to stay in our lane, meaning that we know the area. So when we ask for help on one of our city searchers that are so really good, they will go and search everywhere to try and find an answer when a lot of times, if you're a wiki-trigger and you can't find something, you might give up on that profile or you might give up on trying to find that information. But like Emma said, I need it instant. If I ask something, please, just everybody at once, go ahead. Give me the answer or tell me. I'll take it. I'm researching it. We have people actually fight over creating cemetery categories for us. We have people that fight over. I'll take this. I'll research it. I'll research it. And I love it because it just gives us, again, that other eye. But there are so many people who would give up on a profile. They can't figure out the research or don't know where to go. And there are some tough areas to research. And I just love that people will dig in and do it. And I think like Emma said too, not everybody has a great day. We don't. We have good days and bad days. And we accept that in Discord channels and somebody comes in and they're frustrated or they were somewhere else and somebody attached the wrong kid to the wrong parent on a different platform. We listen and we help and then we dig in and we try to help. I will tell you that one of the most fun things in our Discord is helping people CC7 go up. We will crowd it. We will jump on somebody. They say it's too low. We will all in the project at the time and jump on it and boom make their CC7 go up. Hey, Stanley. Do you want to real quick tell people that don't know what a CC7 is? Oh, so the CC7 especially if you go to your profile you will see it says connections. You see your name and it tells you how many contributions you've done and then over on the right a little line that says connections and if you click on that what you're basically doing is you're seeing how many people in WikiTree you're connected to, to your 7th generation and I will tell you that it goes out a little bit further than that. I won't go into too much detail with it because I could talk about this all day but the goal is to keep adding profiles and other people keep adding profiles to connect so your CC7 number, your connection number to you keeps rising and I don't know who has the highest but it's something like over 10,000 oh yeah so once you add your ancestors your grandparents then you can add your grandparents brothers and sisters and you keep doing that as you go up the one of the biggest tricks that we found in heart group add like I add all my brothers ex-wives families because we're connected I won't tell you which brother if he's watching he knows but even going out to that level so think about it not just straight back to your ancestors being out Patty's the most connected and I think she was on the chat earlier she has over 19,000 and it's because she brings in she brings in lots of cousins to WikiTree and helps them get their tree filled out and get them connected to herself so yeah she works she's an Appalachian too, she's a project member she's in my character's project too there we go my CC7 jumped up when I started working on my cousin John's mother's family my Aunt Francis who was married into the family and I did her work my CC7 shot up it's still in the 4,000 but even doing these little branches like that I'm just doing the work on both of my sons-in-law their family's one here from South Carolina one from Puerto Rico one from Cully my CC7 shot up on those two so even though we're outside connections like that I have an individual I'm working on right now it's a very similar story and he is from Brazil only child came to America has no descendants no brothers and sisters and I have no idea how to do Brazilian research but we found out that he had a wife for one year and brothers and sisters so we haven't made the connection yet but we suddenly have this whole door of brothers and sisters open hopefully we'll be able to make a match but that fact that he was married for that one year it may get him connected to the tree every little connection will help even just for one of your marriages sure will yeah can I finish my little thing here about collaboration please do I don't remember when this was I'd have to look back on it but it was several years ago I had gotten into WikiTree and it was such a breath of fresh air and finally I wrote something and put it on G2G as a matter of fact I think I'm going to put something new on it and see if that'll bump it back up where people can read it because I think it has a lot of relevance to everything we're talking about this weekend and I just said that I had been engaged in family research for decades and I'm older than I look evidently because I am pushing 80 I will tell you that and I first became interested during high school and I was interested in all of that and then I said it was a lonely hobby because you did it by yourself you went to the library, you sat and read all these books and all this microfilm and everything and other than writing letters if you could find somebody to write them to and then try to trip the postman when he came by so he would leave that was about the only thing we could do and then I said here came the internet email websites and that wasn't all that long ago relatively speaking and it was still somewhat of a solitary venture because how many times do you actually get an answer from somebody from another website these days and I said then then came along WikiTree and it was a bit intimidating right at first I just barely stuck my toes in the water and I was a little intimidated to ask any questions and then I started reading the forum I would just read it the questions and the answers and then one day I knew the answer to something and I thought oh okay and I answered it and I was off and running after that um I had to get some help with sourcing but I printed out the pages and I put them beside me now I was a library science and English major so I know about citations uh but I put that paper beside me and I started sourcing and I tried it both ways and finally I got it because I wanted to do inline sourcing and once I got it it was easy I said now I'm addicted a fabulous addiction um asking questions learning things and I likened the experience to the spy who came in from the cold substitute genealogist because it was I found that it was such a warm and collaborative community and you do get to know people I've gotten to know so many people through the greeters, through the GDG forum through helping people and having them help me and I there's just not another website for genealogy like it I agree thank you for sharing that thank you all for coming on we have a few last words here we have just a few minutes left we got a party to get to we got a party to get to that's right that's right this is party time I want you to know that I'm parked right behind the whiskey tent we'll have one for us guys have a great day thank you all for joining with me today thank you all who came online to watch and it has been a wonderful experience for all of us I'm sure you all take care God bless you all take care and have a great day thank you