 Welcome everyone, sorry about that, sorry about that. Welcome to the Facebook group, the International Brotherhood of Polyvans and progressive discussion viewers. I am your host and the founder of the group and progressive discussions way back when 1995 and the group was founded in 2012. Welcome everyone, another week has rapidly zipped by time and tide waits for no man. That's what Ed Norton said on the Honeywaters. And I am with the one and only best co-host I could ever have, Mr. Jeff Sanbello, originally from Boston Mass now residing in the maritime provinces of Kanada. Jeff, how are you doing this week? Very good, I'm a little sick today. I get a bit cold, but I still train. I never miss a workout. Everybody's gonna laugh at what I see is, but the way it stops me from working out at the gym is if I have diarrhea, but if I have a flu, if I have a cold, I still work out. And because here's my way of thinking. People all over the world, whether in Siberia or Russia, or whether in the jungles of South America, I eat this balcony, or you're in a harsh place in Africa, people still have to work to get food, go hunting for food, whatever. So at least I could do is go to a nice air conditioned gym. Yeah, yeah. Great workout. I worked out twice today. James and I, we had a nice pre-show dialogue, and this is gonna be a good show because whenever James and I have in-depth discussions, there's much knowledge that comes out. Anyways, so this will be a good show. Yeah, it will, and I take it you enjoyed the new theme, the song, the new theme. I like it, yeah, that's very good. And we try to make a nice environment here. Very welcome. We really do want a lot of interaction with people. So anyways. Well, the theme song was meant to be sarcastic because it had a carnival sound. A carnival sound, which is directed towards all of the carnival hucksters, the pitchmen. Yeah. Yeah. And I was, but I kinda, tonight, I'm grateful. I've done a lot of good things this week. And I'll tell you what, I've come down to James. And you're part of this equation and many other people along my, I guess, CTT path. James and I call it CTT. So people could see what's going on. We call it centripetal torque training or centripetal pendulum torque training wherever. Yeah. And so I guess what's happened is I turned 54 years of this company something, my students. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know you had a birthday. My way of life and I'm grateful for all of my teachers. Happy birthday, sir. It's a typical training and waylifting and running wherever, right? And so what's been happening is my joints and my shoulders have gotten much better. And I've been practicing a lot with the Persian meal, the Indian clubs, these very light four pound sledge hammers. And I do these every other day because every other day I work out twice a day. I do centrifugal torque training in the mornings before breakfast. I usually get bored an hour and a half to two hours. I love it. I can't get up. I could do this for six hours. I love swinging things because when I swing things I use my brain and it evolves like every week because when you approve, you get more mobility, more functionality, your wrist, your elbows, your shoulders, joints, they get healthier. If you do it right with moderate weight, you don't swing it like I'm putting my bum mates or something like that. But you use moderate weight, whether it's steel clubs, Indian clubs, meals, whatever. So I want to change it. I'll just let James get, I'll just summarize it. So I do that in the morning and then I do weightlifting and stuff in the afternoon. And I'm just grateful and I read that David Coggin's book allows me to four times a product to five times now. I love that book. Frank DeMeo, I know he's read it because on his May spit page with Alex Clubs, he brings out a quote of James every day on a whiteboard from that book. And so what's been happening this week, James, is that waking up and see, I look at it every other day, but every other day I do the cardio. So every other day I wake up and look up at six 30 to get to the gym by seven. That's when all the yuppies leaves because they don't work at seven 30 or whatever. And so I have a whole place to myself at seven o'clock. And I go for half an hour on incline treadmill and then I do my legs for high, high reps. Like I do about 500 reps on a leg press. You know what, five sets of 100 reps. And then I do squats, very high rep, full mobility. And it's worked out well. I've lost a lot of fat. And I feel healthy, I can see the veins coming out, my forearms, my arms. Vascularity, yeah. So I am very grateful that these teachers and actually one of my teachers, I reached out to him, James, that's my kettlebell teacher, that's Valerie Paloski from New Jersey. And she's a world champion and very strong person. She's very light, but she does the kettlebell. That's twice what I do. Wow. Twice. And she always tells people how much she's better. I'm not gonna do that. Probably the most positive and inspirational person I've ever met. And she's a big factor. She's the one that's head of the Venture Strength Dance. Okay. She's the one that found, her and Don Giaffadino, they found it and started MaceFit. And it's similar to the way we do stuff. It's different, but similar. Positive, positive leak. Great. I'm very faithful to you, sir. I was, you know, it's got to sound wooshy, but I don't give a crap, because I tell the truth. Well, I'm very... So I was in the parking lot at the gym. Okay. I called my wife Barbara on the cell phone. Right. I said to my wife, Barbara said, Barbara, I'm really sad. I wish I could go, I wish James lived closer. I really want to go to the park with him. All the time. Just went a lot from there. Thank you. Anyway, that's all I'm just... Well, I... Excellent training. Very, very healthy. I just want, well, let me, yeah, let me get through the formalities of the show and the beginning. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna prove. And the beginning segment, which is the Consumer Advocate Sucker Patrol segment, it's part of Chisela's Hall of Shame. And I will do that. But I just want to say happy belated birthday. No, no, it's coming, it's not belated yet. Oh, oh, it's next Sunday, or this Sunday, this Sunday. Okay. All right, good. That's good. And I want to say that a very good friend of mine, Cheryl, who is a, she has fallen on hard time. She's a widow. Her husband was killed while driving his taxicab. And she has three young children. And I encouraged her to apply for help social services. Social services. And the good news is that phase one of her help, she was approved recently for phase one of her help. So there are people that I enjoy giving advice to, especially if I have a hunch. Now, usually when I have a hunch, like a psychic intuition, and I have a gut feeling about something, it 99.9% comes true. And I've given advice before, like Daw from the beautiful girl from Thailand that has things like an angel. I encourage her to create a YouTube channel and put all of her music videos on there. And then she thought, she listened to me and I gave her a nice front cover for her YouTube channel. Now she's got tons of music videos because I told her, I says, people have gotten discovered on YouTube. So, you know, when I have a gut feeling about things that are positive to help people, I enjoy doing it. I don't want to. The politician, though, James, the one that wouldn't listen to you was the antiquated infrastructure. Localism. Oh, no. You know who that was? That was a New Jersey congressman and a Democrat, mind you. Josh Gottheimer, who wanted to put his sign on my lawn to promote his campaign. And I said, no, no way, because he has these telephone town hall meetings, right? And he cut me off concerning not infrastructure, but our outdated, pathetic, embarrassing dinosaur public transportation system, you know, with the rails and Amtrak and how we desperately need what the world has. High speed, clean energy rail system and including light rails because buses, you know, they have to be subject to traffic and they do blow off some emissions and, you know, light rails used to be called trolley cars in the old days and now they're, you know, just high speed light rails. America needs this, the rest of the world has it, but we don't have it and our infrastructure is crumbling. I don't understand how a wealthy country like the United States is in the dinosaur era when it comes to infrastructure, bridges and such and roads and public transportation system. I mean, China is ahead of us, Europe, Japan, I mean, God, I mean, and you know what? And there's subways, you can practically eat off the floor. In Singapore, if they catch you throwing a cigarette butt on a street, your ass is arrested, you know, you have to, you know, they enforce laws. So he cut me off. It wasn't important enough because he couldn't wait to talk to the females that were calling and, you know, it was probably an ego thing. And I told my congressman, Bill Pascrell, who's in my district, I says, look, he's a Democrat. I said, the Patterson, New Jersey, the great waterfalls of Patterson, New Jersey became America's newest national park. They have a hydroelectric plant that is unused right now that dates way back in the day. You know how, if this is the second largest waterfall, second to Niagara Falls in the United States, why isn't hydroelectric power being utilized right now at the Patterson Falls? Not for the power companies to make more profit, but to provide free electricity to the people in the region, all right? And I left it, I left the message with the people in charge of the Green New Deal, including Alexandria, the lovely Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and she's quite lovely, but anyway, I digress. Now I'm gonna sing the carnival. So anyway, I posted it on Twitter to the right people, and I hope it enlightens them, because you know, Jeff, whether it be political or not, there are a lot of neccompoops, imbeciles, numbskulls, morons than we think. There are a lot more of them than we think. And I'll give you an example. I tell people that I'm gonna go on the air and we're the fuck out of here. They're nowhere to be found. They don't want, oh, they're so afraid of posting their real gut feelings and their opinions about many important subjects. Heaven forbid, they should post. I just like to learn from everybody. Not to, I'd like to see, even just that, there'd be kind of fun. Yeah, I mean, heaven forbid. I was looking at, as you know, I was looking at Steve Angel's page, and Steve Angel does a lot of things that I do. And when I tell him Steve is, I said, you know, thanks for showing me stuff, who has forearms as wrist, but he does it differently than I do, and I appreciate that. He uses plates, marble plates, and he uses a towel, whereas I use a hammer or a little sledge. So it's different evidence, but he hit those different nails, so I'm gonna try to do what he did. Well, we're gonna get into exactly what you were telling me off the air that fascinated the crap out of me. And there's two things that you enlighten me about, and we're gonna get to that, but let me get this consumer advocate thing over and done with seven lucky bells for this week's show. Okay, Jeff Sambell is official New Jersey based main office at the Hilton Hotel on Polly Fly Road in Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey. Seven lucky bells, and also I'm gonna blow it. It is time for Chisler's Hall of Shame, Consumer Advocates Sucker Patrol. It's an old fashioned police whistle. Let us make sure everything's okay with my son of their PA, just hold one second. There's no other way of talking to him. Hey, Bob Ross, Bob Ross, is Christopher okay up there? Is Christopher okay in Christopher Island? Okay, keep going, James. Okay, now it's time for the world's largest and loudest jingle bell, which looks like a big gonad belonging to an alpha male. All right. Now a little Ed Norton, the honeymooners, the Falmabell. I know you like it. Okay, followed by old fashioned jingle bells. Hey, we gotta chase the evil spirits away before we start, you know what I mean? I'm already gonna clean it up before the friggin' men's ministry thing. Okay, we're gonna get into that. We're gonna get into that. Trust me, we're gonna get into that. Now, isn't it funny how certain individuals like to quit the international brotherhood of polyvons and then mysteriously come return with no explanation whatsoever? Isn't it funny how, and then all of a sudden they start posting things on our friend's profile as if you know what I mean? But anyway, I'm gonna hammer Walmart. Yeah, that Walmart story, that's pretty interesting. Now, besides the fact that on three different occasions, the Walmart self-checkout gave me the wrong change where you check out yourself, you scan your items. Three times gave me the wrong change. On top of that, on top of taking an item off the shelf, looking at the price tag, and then the cashier gives me a price that's much higher, all right, suspicious because they know, I think the Walton family knows that the average person is not gonna say, oh yeah, yeah, I'll stand here and wait. Go get the manager, have him come over and do a price check. They're not gonna do it with a long line of people behind them. So they're gonna probably say, nah, I don't have time to wait. I'll pay for it, I'll pay for it. It's underhanded dishonest tactics. Now in this case, this one takes the cake, Jeff Sambo. I'm holding up right now a Walmart gift card that I received in a mail because I purchase things online and have it shipped to my nearest Walmart free shipping, okay? So they sent me this, guess what? It doesn't work, it's phony. I typed in every series of numbers with the pen and I got customer service on the phone and they kept on blowing me off, bringing up a different subject. I said, no, you're not focusing on what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you're sending me bogus gift cards. It doesn't work. I did not get my discount using the Walmart gift card. It's a scam, it's nothing but poppycock, boulder dash, hogwash, whatever you wanna call it, bullshit, it's crap, it doesn't work. It's similar to the gift card that had the expiration date. Okay, this doesn't have an expiration date, Jeff Sambo, but it doesn't work. Was that something to happen to Home Depot with you too or something? Or a hardware store or something? No, well, Home Depot just, let me think. Well, they're selling the same fence posts online in Hickory, Mohammer, that- Oh, they're a card, somebody gave you for Christmas. Oh, no, it wasn't Home Depot, it was another retail chain that either got bought out or went belly up, but yeah, and what happened was in fine print, the gift card had an expiration date and I could not use the gift card. So what happens is, a lot of people, they get things, they get gift cards and because of their life, they may not go immediately to the store and use it. So they might put it in a drawer and hold off. Now you would think a gift card has the face value of the amount that's on the card. Somebody buys you a gift card, it's supposed to represent a certain amount of cash. Let's say they buy you a $40 gift card and they give it to you as a gift. Well, that card is supposed to always be worth $40. Now, when there's an expiration date, that's a scam because then the company just stole $40 from the person who bought the gift card. Okay, now, number two, Verizon Scumbag Usury, you fucks. They, I asked in Walmart, a Verizon salesperson talk about Carnival Huxters approached me again, says, oh, what cable and internet service do you have? I says, you don't have to ask me. I already got screwed by your lying salesperson that came to the house and he didn't know what to say. I says, the kid lied to me about the connection speed about the fiber optics cable being a dedicated, a unshared line and about me having lightning speed. He says, oh no, no, no, you're, you're still. I'm going to go to the house store. I'm going to go Walmart last year, but last June when I was there, for October, we talked to some smart guys that was actually a salesman. You actually liked the guy because he told me the truth or something. Oh yeah, he was helpful, but it wasn't cable or anything, but so Verizon, they made excuses. Well, technically, according to the industry, you're still getting lightning speed. I'll go, oh, yeah, sure, I am. It's no faster than when I had copper, twisted copper cable before the fiber optics. I says, I know your company is controlling the internet speed depending on how much people are paying. That's right. I know it. And he didn't want to, he didn't know what to say. He said, I said, well, what's, I says, Edgewater, New Jersey is Verizon Fios in that territory. He says, let me look it up. He goes, yeah, they're there. Why, are you moving there? I says, yeah, eventually. I says, but all I want is internet. How much? He says, $75, I go, what do you mean? That's a lot of money. I says, wait a minute, just to install it, the initial installation. He goes, no, every single month, I go, wait a minute. I can go to Optimum and get it for $25 a month. I can get internet from Optimum. Why am I paying $75 a month? He says, well, if you want the triple package, it's a lot less. If you get the cable TV, the internet and the home telephone, I says, but what if somebody doesn't want the home telephone and the cable TV? So what you're doing is you're kind of tricking or blackmailing people into getting the triple package and guess what happens after a year? The discount that they sign you up for expires. They jack up the rates. Sky high. Yeah, they jack it up. I thought that happened to my wife. So what this is, this is exactly Jeff Sanbello. What retail has been doing for many years, it's called, it's called the old bait and switch. Yep. They're all doing it now. Bait and switch. They sucker you in. Look at me. I got a pop-up right now trying to cover the interface of my life show that doesn't have an X where I can close it out. That in other words, now I'm getting, I have a highly rated pop-up blocker called Adblock on Google Chrome. Guess what? It's not doing its job. Okay. I not being able to close out an advertisement or a web page or a pop-up, not being able to do it means they are forcing their advertisement down your throat because you're supposed to, it's your computer or smartphone, you're supposed to have the ability to close out the page or the pop-up advertisement. But if there's no X, so I'm at the mercy of these pushy motherfuckers, I can't close out the pop-up or sometimes I can't close out the web page advertisement because they haven't rigged where there's no X in the upper right hand corner. There's no X. Okay. So yes, trickery, usury, whatever you wanna call it, bait and switch, and speaking of scumbags, is that? Extortion. Extortion, exactly. Now, speaking of retail scumbags, I'm holding up the wonderful jumbo cubic, cubic zirconia stud earrings from the dollar zone that it costs only $1 per pair. And look how beautiful and clear and fiery and sparkly they are. All right. You still wanna be suckers to the fine jewelry industry people? You still wanna go to Jared? Look at that. Look at that. Look how beautiful these cubic zirconias are. Give me a break. Come on, I bought these for a reason, to prove a point. So I can show them to you how you're being screwed with real diamonds. All right? So there you go. Now, now on to Jeff Zanbello. And I feel your pain because I suffer from sinusitis and allergies and especially damp weather and all that stuff. Now, we're gonna talk about Jeff Zanbello's muscle and ministry with a message updates. Jeff Zanbello, talk, tell the story about your local parish that is treating you like you were a ping pong ball. Yeah. So anyways, so all the time these guys get these meetings, like monthly meetings, what they're gonna do this month and so they can write reports at office in Toronto. So during these meetings, they say, oh, let's have men's fitness classes on top by Jeff. And really, like I'm a busy person. I really like to dream myself, but you know what, I can help somebody, that's fine. But so everybody's excited at these meetings. It's like doing the Gogg of that book, Can't Hurt Me, says, it says, when people are sitting at home on the College of North Carolina, Washington television about the Himalayan Mountains and climbing Mount Everest, it's very easy because you're in a comfortable zone. But when you're actually on Mount Everest and you can't breathe because there's no oxygen and you're freezing, it's a whole different story. So anyways, when push comes to shove, when it becomes real, I get these calls on Fridays, late in the afternoon. And the church building, the basement is rented. That's where I train guys, it's a nice basement. It's a finished basement, you know, a little basketball court, there and stuff like that. They play pool hockey with the kids. But anyway, that's where we do these sports activities and I do my training there. So yeah, they get these calls on Fridays, then, oh yeah, well, this reason, that reason you can't do it. Okay, well, like last week, I purchased these medicine balls with the handles and to do things similar to what I was taught at Dana Ramsey's class at New Fitness with the Mace. Cause I think these things, you know, with the sagittal plane, the farm plane, the transverse plane, it'll be a lot safer for the guys, okay? Then swing in the Mace. Cause they're really novices, but they're not even weak and worried. They're nice guys, but they're without these damages. Ham and Nagers, Greenhorns, whatever you want to call them. Neal fight. I'm not a big nigga, I'm just saying that I'm really, yeah. There's no hunger at first, but we're hungry to train. And like do it 10 seasons, they're hungry. They don't have the passion for athleticism and physical fitness. Like William Cavani, he's got passion to get in there. He's got black belt and Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Well, it's okay to be a neophyte, you know, because everybody has to crawl before they can walk. Everybody has to start somewhere. Right, well today, I'm a little sick. Yeah. I'm a little sick today, and I still worked out. Cause I loved to, I have to work out. And it did me, since I was a teenager. Well, it makes you feel better when you're sick. Yeah. So then, so that's why it's a lot of this area. And then you can't teach next week, which was supposed to be tomorrow, because they're gonna be trying all night and everybody's gonna be tired in the morning. So that's why it's fun. So what I did was, I had to work out every other day with my weights. It doesn't matter what day of the week, it's every other day. I work out twice a day, and then I do my cardio on the other days. So when I do my cardio, it's really for my brain. Cause when my mind says, oh, you're pushing yourself too hard, listen, you're gonna override that mind. And that's to be able to do a kettlebell sport. Is that there's a little quiet voice in your brain that says, oh, you can quit. You can put the kettlebell down or for your running or a long distance bicycle ride. Oh, you can just start pedaling and take a break and look at the birds and smell the flowers on the side of the road. No, no, no. Once you push past little message, then something else takes over. It's a beautiful thing. And then you can go faster, farther and stronger. Anyways, I know I've grown off a lot of changes. I apologize for that. That's okay. These are principles and practices I live by. So anyways, so what I said at the beginning of the show was great cool, is that I'm discovering. Now, first of all, this title of the show is very misleading in the fact that there's a ministry of muscle or whatever that I do. And I'm just a guy who loves to do it. And the great thing James happens this weekend, I don't like organized religion. I don't. And when I exercise or I go walking, it feeds my mind, my soul, my spirit. And in these are things I'm discovering to do through centrifugal torque training. Well, well, organized religion just like the ancient from 3,000 years ago. Right, that's correct. Yeah, the organized religion often contains people that are a sanctimony, a self-righteous, judgmental, whatever you want to call it. It's kind of an intimate report. So they're like, tomorrow I get a meeting at six o'clock, whatever. They ask me, it's in a comment today. I'm like, oh, you can teach tomorrow. Like what? I said, no. I said, you told me that I can't, that I can't teach for a couple of weeks or so. So I did want to train every day. And today being the every other day is, it's Friday and I already did all my weightless and stuff and my CTT this morning and everything else. I'm not gonna over train. And oh, then you can do it after the men's meeting at six o'clock, which will probably be like seven o'clock or eight o'clock on Saturday night. And you know what, James? It's not just this place. It's, it could be a school, a university, a social club, whatever, right? The Masons, the Knights Columbus, whatever. All these leaders in all these organized places or these organizations, they have to write reports and tell their bosses how great they are and what they accomplish this month. So if I teach tomorrow night and put the feather in their cap, even though that the men don't really want to be they couldn't Saturday night. They want to be with the kids and the family. So that's, there's always an ulterior motive. And I kind of don't want that. It erupts my spirit with my, no, I've been doing this since I was a kid. And as James knows, I'm gonna share something with you. As everybody knows, as I say, as every week, I ran my first Boston Marathon, 26 months, I was 15 years old in 1980. And it's actually for us, 14 years old, obviously. But when I trained for the Boston Marathon, I wanted to do it in less than four hours to 15 years old. So which is like eight, eight and a half, eight and a half minutes a mile, whatever it is, right? So in order to do that, I ran at least nine, yes, nine miles every single day. And then on the weekends, I ran more. I ran 12, 14, 17 miles, 21 miles on Saturdays or Sundays. And I had a hundred mile a week, a lot of times, a 70 mile, then a hundred mile a week as the marathon was approaching. Right. Of course, when you live in New England, it snows a range of heat waves in the summer. You don't stop training because it's snowing outside. You, you run the snow. And that's how badly I want it. So nobody had to tell me to do that. Right. You know what I'm saying, James? When I went to Ambulance School, I ran my third marathon in 1986. And that's when I went to Ambulance School for the U.S. Army. And I wanted to, you had to qualify for it. They don't just give you the money. The government has to pay you to go to Fort Wayne, Georgia. So a taxpayer's money. So you have to beat up the other cadets to get a slot. So you have to do so many pull-ups, so many push-ups, and you have to run the two miles in less than 11 and a half minutes or something like that. So, less than 12 minutes, I'm sorry. So anyways, I wanted to go to Ambulance School to tell somebody that they have to train. I gave these, I trained a couple of these powerless guys. And the trainer, they had a tough background. And they're certainly strong, but they're dedicated. They love to train. They're always at the gym, when they're supposed to be. I never had to pull the teeth, and then most get them to train. They show up, they want to be winners. They can taste it, they can smell it. They have a passion for it, you know? They can already visualize themselves on the platform. Yeah, exactly. It could be anything, it could be tennis, it could be golf. You got a passion for it, you can apply yourself. We do what's up in our own, so they're, okay, they want to go to school and become a lawyer, but you don't even get a certain grade. You don't even visualize it. Or a culinary school, it'd be a chef. And you have a passion for you. You're able to focus when you have a passion for something. Focus, like, you live in it. Like Mr. Miyagi said on Karate Kid, focus Daniel-san, focus. Yeah, that's literally what you do. You put blinders on, like the Clydesdales, you know, you got blinders and you zoom right in on, you do what you have to do. Yeah, but you do it because you want to do it, not because you have to do it. No, no, no, I mean, because you love it, you enjoy it, you have a passion for it, right? It's like when you teach, it's not work when you teach, do you work? Actually go from a half hour or more than they were supposed to go for because as I teach, because when you're showing somebody how to do something, it's actually making you a better athlete. Yeah. And it's gonna give a lot of good attention. Well, you're just verbalizing, yeah, you're verbalizing what's in your mind already. And it's not a job, it's enjoyable, but yeah. And very discreet, James knows that, he knows of all the cancellations and this and that. Yeah. And I never see this in any other aspect of my life. Like I deal with a lot of professionals that deal with lawyers all the time and government officials and CPAs, engineers, professional engineers and they're all hungry and thirsty to do the best job they can do. And you don't have to pull teeth out of people's mouth. Right. In this case with organized religion with the local parish, they let you know the last minute for everything. Everything's the last minute announcement or last minute, you know, almost like you have no life that you're supposed to jump a mile high every time they contact you, you know. No, but I know. This has happened, a very sad thing has happened. It's actually, it's a good thing actually, well I want it, it sounds sad, but it's actually a good thing. It's actually hard for me. It has actually taken away me being a follower and a subject to be submissive. No, God created every single person here to be themselves, okay. We don't only do we generals, we only do servants. That just means being a servant to yourself. That's great because if you treat yourself well, you're gonna help out society. Yeah. Well my sister found out the hard way about non-denominational Christian churches. She experienced it. I experienced it, you know, there are more people with hang-ups and issues within the church than outside of the church in secular society. Yeah, it's cool. It's kind of, if you ever watch a Step For Wives movie, they'll have this little glaze over their eyes. It sounds like Step For Wives. It sounds like these dudes in the fitness industry. Delusional, there's state of delusion. It sounds like these gentlemen, and I'll use that term loosely, in the circular training world who have turned it into an industry, their eyes are glazed over with delusion too. You know, you've got people doing seminars for almost $1,000 a person and they're not teaching much at all and they're using terminology from that was coined, invented by other people. They're borrowing terminology from other people, like Jake Shannon would say, Karl Gotch, and they're reusing it. And, you know, but you know what? PT Barnum said it best about, there's a sucker born every minute in that there are people who are, you can call them hero worshipers, groupies, but they need someone to tell them what to do, but if you're gonna choose a person to guide your life, at least choose someone who's being honest and sincere with you. Well, I will say something, and I'd like to say, I do love most of my circular training teachers. I love the Frank DeMeo, he's on the brother page. I love Ballard and Pelosi, I love Dr. Brooklyn, but you know, I learned stuff from Rick, and I value everything I've learned. And I think there is value, I think, well, I know there's value and I would have never known this stuff, but I guess, I've learned this now for a few years, I've been middle-aged with them, is that if you do things for your body with the proper weights, the proper movement, know your limitations, know how to go past those limitations in a safe way, I think you can have a bit of a call-out. So I am grateful, especially the guys like Kashi, we'll come out, we'll come out as inspired, me, because he does maces every day, 10 pieces, he amazes me, because the guy weighs like 240, 250 pounds, he's got so much muscle, he climbs up like these. And roll, wow, I don't know how the heck he does it. He's so functionally fit. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Steve Angel, same thing. I've learned so much from him. He's over seas in England, over the UK, and just watching his moves, but he goes very slow, he tells you how to look in the mirror, look in the practice outside, but look at your window on your deck, the sliding glass windows as your mirror. Take your time, use your walkways. Remember that James, with Steve Angel, closely says, he says, don't go past 20 reps. He says, don't use weights that's too heavy. Well, that's what the polyvons, that's what the Persian, the Iranian polyvons in Los Angeles told Richard Armin McGuire, don't swing heavy, don't swing heavy. They're great people in this industry. Don't swing heavy. Daniel Ramsey taught you a lot when you took his course, his class. In three years, just as Daniel Ramsey said, when Daniel Ramsey taught us, he says, the more you do this, you read fitness style, you read baseball, he says, you'll learn to discover things, it's gonna involve, it really has. When you practice something, it's just amazingly, influence that you pick up. The different types of lunges, the different types of planks, the planches, and then all these other things. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, all these other contortions. Well, I'm holding up right now. I'm holding, I'm holding up. And you get your feet in front of you, you lift up your trunk, and then you lift up one leg. You can spend hours doing this stuff, and it just makes you a better athlete. So this is the beauty of the Polygon page. And I guess, James, we really would like to see, really, there's more people in this, like to say, hey guys, have you guys ever done a hip bridge, or this and that, have you ever tried this using a mace, or like James was saying the other day, and I like what you said, you really like the, you find the gravestigger beneficial. Now, one thing you, me and Rick Brown, we all agree on, is that we like the 360, you like the 10 by two. And, but we see a lot of people with a brasmatized into these, you know, the mace flow, but we like things like the gravestigger. And, well, the supplement, or specialized, the classic mace lifting. Now the gravestigger, the modified gravestigger, would be when you take the mace, now I'm holding up a wooden spoon, that is kind of messed up, and beat up an old saw, but I use it for my critters over here. It looks like it's the shape of a mace, all right? Now, if you're doing the gravestigger, would be a back exercise, where your hands are like this, okay? And then you make like you're digging the grave by going real low. And if you, a lot of people just come up to shoulder height. Now, if you do the gravestigger, which hits the entire back, shoulders, certain parts of your arms, and if you take it all the way up, then it becomes like a torch press. So now you're doing a, you know, a push-pull muscle combination, okay, because you're taking the mace all the way upward, you're going into a torch press, and then you're coming down low, and then you try to dig as low as you can. So it's sort of like you're combining push and pull muscles simultaneously. Now, that would be an excellent exercise, but the main thing is, you can't use proper, safe, perfect exercise form if you're lifting too heavy, if the mace is too heavy, and there's a lot of big shots on YouTube that all they care about is how much is the weight, how much are you, can you swing, how much can you curl, how much can you bench press, and all they care about is, we don't agree on that. And it's like, we hate that saying when the famous thing is how much, yeah, Jim, patient says, how much? How much can you lift, how much can you bench, how much, yeah. That is the worst thing you can ask of me, because you just ask of somebody to ruin the shoulders, whatever. Well, a certain someone, a certain someone, a certain thinly mustachioed someone asked, Ken Thiesin, how tall are you? Why is that relevant to a person's athleticism in any way, shape, or form? I mean, how tall are you? That's like saying, well, how much you bench, how much you curl, how big of a mace can you swing? Well, you know what, Ken Thiesin can say, go on YouTube, look at my video where I put the mace on a scale and I zoom in on the numbers of the scale. And then I proceed to swing a 75 pound homemade gata, mind you, homemade gata that he verifies, it weighs 75 pounds. And he swings it for repetitions, Jeff Sanbello, for repetitions, not just like- And the repetitions is amazing. I'm telling you, and oh, by the way, that video I posted, take a look at that, what that girl does, she climbs the rope like it was nothing. And she, when you see this woman, this young lady, what she does in that video that's on the Polyvon group, you will be amazed at the upper body strength that a woman can have. I was totally shocked this professional wrestler friend of mine called the Meringue Warrior. He gave me the link to that. He trains in Kung Fu also, he likes old Kung Fu movies and all that. So the Meringue Warrior, where's the mask? He's a Dominican guy. So he sent me the link and I'm like, oh my God, look at this girl. But how, you watch it and then you let me know what you think on the group. This woman's unbelievable, the upper body strength. I just want to say hi to a couple of people that are watching Vern Uvesian of South Florida, originally from New York and Long Island and Donald Booth, they both have joined. Yes, they both have joined the show. Yeah, Vern's husband is in the fine cigar business. He, yes, let's just put it that way, the fine cigar business. And she now resides in- But not the cigars you'd buy at a gas link station. No, no, and hopefully- Hopefully- El Producto, El Producto, cigars, that was already- El Producto. Remember the noblies, the little Italian Stogis, they called the noblies? I think Clint Eastwood used to have them sticking out of his mouth when he did the spaghetti Westerns. Yeah. Oh, chicken, oh, chicken. Oh, he would love to hang children up in a smokehouse and smoke them. Yeah, he said- Would that be cute? Oh, he couldn't stand kids. They were annoying as hell to him. He's somebody asked him- Oh! Somebody asked him, do you like children? He said, of course I like children. I like them deep frying. You know, he said that- Oh, that's the purpose. Maybe he's having an ice cream station with the kids that want to supervise. You know what, there was so many signs at the buffet. There's only one sign that wasn't there. I says, children should not be up near the food unaccompanied by an adult. Right. Period. They let their kids, I'm glad you brought it up, they let their kids run around like they're home. It's not their home. It's a person's place of business. In the inventory, it's very expensive. Right. An owner has a one-man of fish or duck. If those kids do the one thing for the food, the customers are not gonna like that. The kids lead the door to the ice cream station open so the ice cream gets soft. But these fatty ab buckle, they look like Chris Christie. These fatty ab buckle kids, it looked like they're gonna dive inside the ice cream, hot ice cream station at the Royal Hibachi. And where are their parents? Their parents, see, I'm glad you brought it up because I want to attack this modern day parenting that's going on and it often happens with single mothers that do not, like, let's put it this way, even the yuppie fathers don't discipline their kids. They treat them like equals. They try to negotiate with their children. The parents are no longer alphas. They're not alpha parents anymore. I says to somebody, if I would have done that when I was a kid, I get the back of, I get the knuckle sandwich right across the chops, you know? And you can't do that because it is fucking diapers, you know, agents. You can't discipline your kids. I would say to the government, I would say, oh, could you raise my kids better? Well, you know what? Let them come by your house to take them. I mean, I'm telling you, little monsters, this kid looked like, I don't know if he was in junior high school or whatever. He's trying to ride his skateboard inside a shop right in low light. He's bringing his skateboard inside the supermarket and people are looking at him like, you got to be kidding me, you know? Of course, the management is not going to talk about it. You put a skateboard in the restaurant? No, inside of the supermarket. He's trying to zip, he's trying to zip up, you know, zip around inside the supermarket. What do you want to do with people? That's a liability. Yeah, if I were to tell someone to do that again, my grandparents would be furious. That's a liability, Jeff. So somebody, or someone has to do is like, you know, if they're looking straight ahead, they could easily step on his skateboard and go flying. Or they could smash their teeth on the floor and then that kid's not going to pay for the dentist. No, but they'll take it out of his parents' hide and this is what happens when you have modern day parenting where the kids do not hear the word no. Well, they have to hear the word no like no or else. That has to be an or else connected to the no. Today, there is no or else. You have young single mothers letting their daughter, their young daughters go to school dressed like prostitutes, literally. And I got flack on my Progressive Discussions Facebook page from a single mother that said, oh, you're a misogynist. Oh, you're this, you're that. I know I'm not, I'm realistic. I'm just being realistic with them. If your daughter is dressed like a whore and she's young, she's only asking, not asking, but she can only expect trouble from people that are not very nice. Yeah, you know, let's put it that way. It's like the, what do they call it? The old gender rest room at a college university. They tried the stupid idea of a co-ed rest room and a college university. Oh yeah, I could see all the perverts going there. Are you kidding me? I mean, what is the purpose of that? It's like, what's next? You go to the health club and you have a co-ed locker room and the men have their schlong waving back and forth and their balls are flopping in the breeze and then you got women walking around or the female sportscaster walking into an NFL locker room and I had an argument with an old friend of mine. He says, oh, if they know that there's a woman from the media coming in, they're supposed to cover up. I said, why? That's their territory. That's alpha male territory. Why should they have to cover up if they're, if they just got them taking a shower? You know, is this some kind of like politically correct thing? Is that some kind of feminist crap? You know? Yeah, it's a weird world, they're just, I kind of, the one thing I want is, I kind of ignore all that crap because I won't give them the pleasure of the, the satisfactional thing of making me something I'm not. I just, it's like this church thing. Like, it's like, I go there just to learn a few things. Like, I'm not going to be my boss. Like, what? Yeah. What? So they can get glory points and they can get, they won't church someday, it'd be mentioned. Well, then it becomes about, it becomes about ego. It's like a real job, it's like a real job, like become an engineer or whatever. Well, instead of a work, instead of a work. Oh, because, like, do all of them mechanics, or do something that's weird, like, please. Instead of spreading the word of God, they're worried about their ego. They're worried about being in the spotlight, that the pastor or the evangelist or whatever the minister. Oh, for them to gain approval from their boss, it's just, it's not, it's not the real purpose change. That's the thing, like, why are you there? Like, no, okay. When I have people or I train people, I don't charge them money. I do it because I get a lot of sassations. I like to teach, when I teach, I learn more about myself. I think I get more out of it than my possible, we'll say. And it's made me a better athlete. Anyways, life is the most journey. Yeah, and you were talking, we were talking offline about just how versatile and exercise equipment the four pound sledgehammers are. I mean, they're very inexpensive. They have a long wooden handle which is, which means greater torque. You can do Indian club movements, you can do Persian meal, which is a club, Persian meal or Indian jewelry movements because of the torque difference compared to regular clubs, because I'm assuming that the four pounds is all. It's the right length, so it doesn't hit the floor. Like what I'm doing, like I'm, you know what I'm doing, I'm staying up. But they're not so long, but when I do clean, like side clean, they're not hitting the floor of my glib room, they're a few inches off and it's beautiful. And then I'm letting the weight do all the work. And what's happening is, after both hands and everything, my forearms are on fire and I love it. I'm just getting all this fresh blood in my joints, my ligaments, my tendons. There's nothing like it. Now don't underestimate people. I see my car, I can do them anywhere in the world. I mean, people don't underestimate the weight of the four pound sledgehammer because of torque or most of the weight, maybe over 90% or 95% of the weight is going to be on the far end. So the four pounds, once you start swinging the four pound sledgehammers, it's no longer four pounds anymore. It's probably many times over that. Yeah, it's interesting, but it's the same weight and then we'll progress to six pounds of sledgehammers and then we'll progress to eight pounds, a pair of eight pound sledgehammers. It's just, it's a beautiful thing because it's longer than a steel club and it's shorter than a steel mace. It's a beautiful thing. So you could do, that's okay. So you could do the traditional Persian meal swing with a pair of four pound or what is it, six pound? So what I'm doing with them, it's very similar, James, to the East Indian dumbbell swings. Okay. So I'm using four pound sledgehammers to do that. And if you know what I'm talking about and that's how I put my kettlebells too. Like I'll use a 15 pound, then a 25 pound dumbbell at the gym and do these Indian dumbbell swings. And it just makes all the tendons of my forearm and all the ligaments that connect my elbows to my forearms, to my biceps, to my shoulders. And I do those in between sets of my kettlebell snatches. It's just so rehabilitative. What James would prevent is overuse injuries. From doing the same motion, you're doing all different planes. And you could do the internal and external heart shape. You know, the heart. The kettlebell swing is a sagittal lift. And then the dump, the Indian dumbbell swings are frontal plane. This is the house line. I didn't know you'd come back. Let's take it. Okay. Keep talking. I'll do a little Jew's heart. There we go. Put it on your head. Oh, okay. Yes, they're extremely versatile. And they won't hit the floor. So you can do any Indian club or Persian meal exercise can be done with these steel sledge hammers. I would probably, let me see. I know they go up to, what's that? Well, they do go up to 10 pounds, right? Or is it 15 pounds? What's that? With the sledge. The sledge is they go with, I think they do. If you want to order it, I guess you can have 20 pounds of sledge. Well, I mean, a Home Depot does have 10 pound. Like you said, I think, well, a 10 pound sledge is with that kind of torque, that'll be way too heavy to do a wide array of swinging. Probably five, six, the five, six pounders would be I guess a good limit if somebody wanted to do like all various swinging, internal, external, heart-shaped swings. For leverage exercising, for the forearms. That's another plus with hammers with both the sledge hammer and dead blows. And it's the leverage exercises that you can do. I mean, just remember the old-time blacksmiths, they had tremendous forearm strength and size. Yup. You know, the blacksmiths, and so you're mimicking old-time sledge hammers laborers, you know, man. Yes. Yeah, thousands of years. You had people making swords for warriors that were- I sort of quote, this kind of pertains to the problem. They said, this is all the reading pages that I'm involved with. It says, a reader lives a thousand lives during a single lifetime. Do you get that? Yeah, because many- You're exposed so much. And here's the beautiful thing about polyvon training, of all different aspects. You can explore every single training day, which for me is every other day. I could go on and on about it, but everybody that's listening to the show knows exactly what I'm talking about. Well, I mean, wise people throughout the ages have written books, and I know what you mean. You know, you read books on different subjects and you do live many lives because their advice and their wisdom is contained in the books. You know, I'm not talking about fiction and romance novels. I am, no, I'm talking exactly about fiction. And I know whether they don't like literature. I love literature. And if I want to biography, I'd rather watch a documentary on TV or biopic. Right. And then we do that. Yeah, okay, here's what I'm very disciplined in the history books. A lot of these history books are written by PhDs. And so they go off of these big, big tangents forever and ever with these minutiae statistics or these, it's like in the fine print of a legal document. Like nobody can, all, all, all of these history books can be summarized to maybe 150 pages at the most. You're right. Maybe 150 pages, but they're like 600 or 700 pages or 1000 pages because it's filled with a bunch of crap. Well, they're not accurate. What about American history not saying a word about the genocide of indigenous peoples and about the slave days, about the cruelty of slavery. And I mean, they don't go, they don't go into what they did to the Indians. I mean, Native Americans making them leave their original homelands that they were probably there for thousands of years, making them march to a reservation in Oklahoma and die along the way. I didn't see that in my history books when I was in school, you know? I mean, be honest, at least with the history books. Tell the whole truth. Tell the whole truth. Don't make George General Custer look like some American hero because he wasn't. I mean, sitting bull was a much bigger hero than Custer because- I love that story about sitting bull. I love that. The battle of Little Big Horn because the Sioux, the Lakota Sioux were fighting for their homeland. Yeah. You know, but there's a lot of, listen, there's a lot of accurate history that I've never seen in my history books. But you know where I see it? On cable TV, I like on the history channel and documentaries. I see it on documentaries. That's where I find out the real history about everything because your books, the taxpayers are paying for public school textbooks, but they're not only outdated, they're inaccurate. You know? Yeah, standard. Yeah, yeah, a bias slant or whatever. But- Anyway, didn't we close at 10 o'clock here? Yeah. And so kind of, if you would indulge me and kind of wrap it up, I'll do as much as I appreciate that. It's about, it's true. It's almost 9 p.m. here. Okay, I'm gonna wrap it up with one or two questions for the Copper Divining Rods. Cool. Copper Divining Rods. Is a certain Mustachio legend in his own mind, did he give Mr. Kentheeson those wonderful compliments because Kentheeson posted images, photos when he was on Saturday Night Live a couple of times, more than once? Yes. So in other words, is this a form of elitism of focusing on people that are somebody important, so to speak, of people that have done important things in the spotlight? Is this a form of elitism? Yes. Yes, okay. So because he instantly commented on when Kentheeson posted photos of when he did Saturday Night Live more than once. So if Kentheeson was the super athlete that he is, but he only would say he never worked for the worldwide wrestling entertainment, he never, if he never was a professional wrestler that was on TV, if he never did Saturday Night Live, if he was just Kentheeson, a personal trainer, and that's it. Would the Mustachio person instantly pay so much attention to him with compliments? A big no. So my hunch, so my gut intuition, Copper Divining Rods was correct, right? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, that's it. That's it. We had to get the Divining Rods in here somehow. So I will blow the boss's whistle. And as always, Mr. Jeff Zimbello, thank you for joining me to do this fine show, which will be on- We're in games, we're in so much. If you just practice it, you're inner being, you're inner being James, to be one of your greatest teachers. Oh yeah, hey Bill, remember that huge book written by a legendary bodybuilder, Bill Pearl, I think it was called The Master of the Inner Universe, something like that? Oh, something like that, it's a huge book. Every Jeff, every exercise that was ever invented since the beginning of recorded exercise history, it's in that book, it's a huge book by Bill Pearl. I have to find, I'm gonna find the book and post it on the Polyvon page. Yeah, because if you can actually post the ISBM, in that way, oh, we have to do is copy and paste it to that, to Amazon and it'll bring up that book. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm gonna- All I need is the ISBM. I'm gonna- The ISBM was an indigent or the 13 digit ISBM and then I can- Well, what if I just find the link to the book itself on Amazon? Oh, that'd be cool. And just post it and then people can go take a look at it and see how much it is. It's a famous legendary exercise book. I mean, when I first saw it, I was the early 1980s that I first laid my eyes on the book that was purchased by an old friend of mine who was deceased, God rest his soul. But yeah, he had the book and it was huge. It was a huge book. And every exercise that was ever invented is in there along with, you know, Bill Pearl was a legend, you know, like John Grimmick and all that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So anyway, of course, we will talk off the air but most is with him. Oh, good show. I'm tired, I'm just sick, I got a big cold. Okay, thank you everyone, bye-bye. God bless, Aaron. This has been a MegaLife 21 production.