 Alright, thanks for staying with us now. As technology continues to advance, the realm of education is undergoing a transformative shift. One area at the forefront of this change is the integration of artificial intelligence into classrooms and learning environments. Now AI has the potential to revolutionize education, offering personalized and adaptive learning experience that cater to individual students' needs. And today we are asking, what do you think AI is doing to the future of our education? Now please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081 803-4663. You can also tweet at us at the hashtag ratio. Alright, so I don't know, what exposure do you have with AI? I'm just learning the thing now. Well, we're all learning. This is an industry that is new and is growing at a fast pace. So it has found itself into our daily lives. So when I say how much I know about AI, I would say it's from Instagram. And things like algorithms and all that help. Because I've noticed something like on Instagram for example, if you watch a particular video or you go to a particular page that is not connected to you directly, you find out that a couple of days later, you just start getting, you just look at your timeline and you just start getting random ads or features or articles that tend towards pages that you've listed previously. So it has gotten into different parts of our lives, even in what, navigation when it comes to transportation and what have you. So yeah, the much I know is very much. But I'm learning, it's something you're learning every day. You have an idea, but it's not my idea of AI is not that in debt. But I have a really good idea. So let me read it out, I guess. Koya Jay Oluwatosing is an innovative entrepreneur with a strong passion for creative excellence. He is the founder and the chief executive officer of Chronicle Software Development Company with over 1.2 million users in about 40 countries and four continents. Now Koya Jay Joe has developed many commercially viable solutions, which include success box, universal test engine and success tab. His company launched a digital classroom, EcosuccessCloud.com for over 650 secondary schools and 700,000 students in Lagos. Koya Joe has passion for youth to teach them principles that will make them peculiar and priceless. And he's joined us live in studio. Thank you so much. Koya Joe. Thank you very much. But hey, I mean this is interesting. 650 secondary schools, that's not a small feat at all. Yeah, that's one of the things we did to see how to create access for learning and engagement across Lagos State. Kudos to His Excellency, Roger Desong Oluwan and the amazing team of the commissioner, Adif Sair, for the great work they had done. So we partnered with them to build the largest digital classroom in Africa. It was launched in 2021 and currently we have over 500,000 students and 650 schools across Lagos State. So as I speak to you now, Lagos State students are preparing for their final year exams on the cloud. So these are some of other initiatives that have been rejected. I'm jealous. I'm jealous. Why is Lagos State only the one benefiting from this? Why can't we have it in multiple states? Okay, yeah. I mean apart from Lagos State, His Excellency Professor Babagana Zulum is doing amazing and at that level they launched something. Zulum is what state now? Bono State. Yes, they launched Bono State Digital School and that's bringing all the entire primary and secondary schools together. So that is a borderless classroom as well, a classroom without walls. Then aside from that, they're implementing devices as far as the not for students to use to learn and engage. And all of these things we are embedding artificial intelligence into these to bring personalized learning to improve the learning culture. And of course it's doing a whole lot in that in that space as well. So I mean Lagos is leading but some other states are catching up very fast and Bono State I mean it's I mean it's fast-paced in technology, deployment and holistic learning experience for students, teachers and entire education ecosystem. Awesome, awesome. Let's bring it back to AI. Someone is looking and saying what is this must be? They're speaking jam but like I don't have an idea what AI is you know so what exactly is AI and you know so when we see AI in the classroom what does it look like in terms of experiential learning? Okay so let me try and break it down. So AI is artificial intelligence. We have the natural intelligence that's the one we have that we grew up we can think we can take decisions. Number four machines, theirs is artificial. That means you train them using models, your algorithms. And so when you put set of techniques together which you call algorithms to make machines mimic human behavior it called artificial intelligence. So in short you say set of techniques that you design together to enable machines to mimic human behavior that's artificial intelligence. So hearing you now I'm thinking so if we have a fantastic lecturer he doesn't have to be in the classroom we'll just get a machine that looks like him that can prepare that can transfer the knowledge and he can teach the children or how is it gonna work? Yeah so some robots can do that currently so that's another branch of AI so AI you have various branches one of them is machine learning where you use set of algorithms to train machine to take you know decisions on their own. So before we got to AI mainstream, AI has been around since meat 60s and keeps evolving. Really? Yes so but now we have where we are right now is mainstream AI. Now mainstream AI is such that you know me and you can engage with AI. 10 years ago AI was very visible but me and you were only, we were product of AI people were using AI to analyze our patterns. You talked about content recommendation for instance. You watch a video that is not part of your content history and they are suggesting more content to you. I remember one day I was talking on my phone after I finished talking on my phone I won't tell you the line I use but when I finished talking I got an SMS in relating with what I just talked about and oh you're short. Say you are on talking on your phone. Me and I I'm gisting with somebody now I'm afraid because as I'm gisting with you the next thing Instagram you go see all the sponsored ad link to I say how are you here what I'm saying for goodness sake. So sometimes even when your devices are switched off they can they are still listening. The microphone so yes the listening component and this listening component are going into large areas of you know sized you know data warehouses where the you know user are going to process the every one of us have our own you know profiles identity on the cloud. So they tell you what you like where you can they can predict virtually of course you know Google knows where you live they know where you eat they know where you shop they know your schools your children attend phone you are using they have known the phone you are using is different that's where you live and with that they cannot channel their preferences so the rise of you know big tech companies like Google Facebook that they grew from advertising ad dollars was because of all of these potentials so they used AI and the potentials of what it brings to the table to build conglomerates to build you know cash generating assets now where we are right now why everybody's talking about AI because now AI is infusing to the mainstream the advent of chart GPT just blew everything away before chart GPT there was autonomous vehicles drive less cars you get but not everybody could afford a drive less car so we're not staff feeling it but right now we'll move from search to conversations the best we could do on Google then was so hello uh what's this who is the president of Nigeria to give you a link and start clicking back about chart GPT you know the the paradigm is shifted so what happens with chart GPT is you just say uh I want to know about the history of the brain for a while and it gives you specific details and you cannot begin to call different actors on the role he played and the beautiful part of chart GPT right now is that it's not connected to the internet now how is that going to impact education as it is and the future so teachers were first care schools were first care it's going to help you everybody needs to stay abreast with technology everybody needs to move with the times everybody needs to adapt from teachers to students to schools so we as technology companies what we do is to leverage technology to see how to improve experiences for students for teachers and for the administrators and the entire education ecosystem now with AI in the in the party things like personalized learning is going to continue to get better by the day so one of the things we did for one of the states we work with we're able to tell them what their work is also look like before it came out and that's one of the things AI brings to the table and with with with almost 99.9 percent precision and say okay this is the x number of thousands of students are writing your work this is what we see in the trend this is how your results will look like and when the work result came out the aggregate you know scores was just about net and that that's the potential and that's going to come in to go so what we're doing in-house in our company is trying to see you don't need to wait to the end of the term to see your child's report card so we are generating what we call weekly report card so you're analyzing the strength of your child week by week and it gives everybody the feedback on how it gives you an idea where they need to improve on while it's quite early real time so I consider impact yes real time but doesn't wouldn't that have some okay so for me when it comes to things like this I have my reservations why because how do you authenticate like how do you what what happens to the security of the data the data that has been analyzed and then where does for me where does bias come in bias yes when it comes to yes so when it comes to some of these companies use yes the algorithms and the data gotten from that from you know individuals is actually supposed to be as pure as possible but you realize that some companies have started to you know manipulate some of these data to their benefits like clearly we were talking about Instagram so one of those things you know there and where the security of the individual protection of my data yes what does it come in if my my phone can you know record anything I'm saying and use it against me or for me okay most times for you okay so uh data brokerage has been for a long time so where so anytime you use a free product you are the product that that company selling so anytime you use a free product that you are not paying majority of the time you are the product they are selling so whether you like it or not whether you like it or not now have you ever tried go to the privacy policy for Facebook go and read it and be shocked about what you're going to see go and read privacy for WhatsApp and in that document you'll be shocked about the leverage you're giving them with your data so when you click on that button that's why they update the policy regularly to suit the changing business dynamics and also protecting themselves they can share your photos they can do whatever they want to do with it that are because you are there and so you choose the platform they will send you and yes so now for etter companies now many of the solutions are proprietary governments paying parents are paying students are paying so protecting that data is of utmost importance to all the players so and again the beautiful side of things is that the people that sell your data they know how to protect your data so all the data are in the cloud so it's just the policy that you certain that you put on your cloud architecture we have a cloud service right now that has that can stay six ten ten million students concurrently on the cloud so we might not have enough money to build classrooms that's where scalability ai2 specialized learning come to the party and with that kind of massive tech infrastructure where you have 10 million students learning concurrently the possibilities are endless so that's that's what comes you know the party with other legacies embodying 500 000 before the end of the year but no state will do 1.5 million students we are already in talks with his excellency and his team we set up the education trust fund and they have been doing amazing things in scholarships and in the whole lot of devices to students and and the likes and I'm sure the other states were also catching as well now what that is also going to do for us as a country is that we should not make the mistake we made in the third industrial revolution in the third industrial revolution we sat down and we're clapping our hands when we were able to browse the internet oh like in fact those of us that had church background they said oh that's double double double don't go there always to reward my wishes yeah so you know so everybody stayed back and while we stayed back the world moved on and when we got on it was really late but now the fourth industrial revolution gives everybody a level playing field yeah it's just in America is moving Nigeria is moving they have designers in fact globally speaking Nigerians have one of the best designers in the world not just Africa we stand side by side with America reach India in fact check out the software that come out of the world designers from Nigeria didn't know they were top notch so as they are as America is moving Africa is also moving Nigeria is also moving technology is a level so what we are doing as a technology company that we're focused on education is try to help students not just engage technology but also master the technology to provide solution last month absolutely I love that and on that note let's go on a very short break when we come back from the break continue this amazing conversation stay with us for very back thanks for staying with us now if you just tuned in we're discussing the topic exploring right the impact of artificial intelligence on the future of education especially here in Nigeria now we have Koyaj or Oluwatu Singh with us now remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or what's up to the rate one 8034663 you can also tweet at us at weishoafqa on the hashtag weisho so I liked where you landed before we went on the break going talked about how you know it's not just learning again because again the the challenge I think I have you know I studied physics in school I'm supposed to be a hands-on kind of person I love experiments I love all of those things I'm so imagine you studying something and you're not even exposed to even creating a small circuit for the four years of university I didn't I don't know how to create a small circuit just to create join wire together and nothing right and this cuts across all kinds of learning even with the what's it called people studying computers that have never cited a computer and all of that so I want to understand this the scalability of this AI now you know being infused in education you know how would it truly change the face of education because again it's not like we are there you know in terms of how it should run I'll give an example I have my young nieces and nephews how old are they seven and six right coming into year one in primary school they are coming they are coming with a laptop they already have you know if this one is even laptop they give them proper Dell laptop you know primary one primary one and I'm wondering ha this can all happen in Nigeria first of all because because the poverty measures some people go and sell it and you know you know there's a lot you know that's that's happening because I organized board game tournament for children and part of what we give them as a reward system we give them laptops we give them so that they can probably learn coding and start up a career so how do we translate AI into first of all soft skills for these children how do they begin to see themselves beyond just saying I'm just learning to cram to pass to now being part of what you just said about building you know so future solutions being the future of Mark Zuckerberg and all of that how would this impact education in that light okay so let me start by saying that we are we're not fully there but we are making lots of progress there and one of the first benefits of AI to the education ecosystem is that it would help to enhance you know student outcomes it will help teachers to better teach content creatively it will help you know it will enhance and improve classroom engagement to a very high level then more than that it will also help to provide some very top notch you know in-depth analyst and analytics of student performance behavior and outcomes and the likes so going back to where you said how do we scale this process first and foremost we we need to have what we call the frontline technologies one of them is you know internet penetration across across because these are things that AI is going to sit on from 4g technology to 5g technology and the likes these are yes then we also need to have devices as well so one of the things we as a company is doing is trying to make you know devices as affordable as possible we pioneered tablets called success tab and we started that in 2013 okay we went to the market in 2016 so we are one of the leading educational tablet brands in the country we have you know national spread and what these tablets do is phenomenal is an advanced learning tablet it digitizes the entire learning experiences of child from primary school to secondary school all the resources they need to learn is preloaded on the tablet and it's offline and it has what they call the parental control mechanisms inbuilt the browsers we use on success tab you know shuts down all adult content by default so giving parents the confidence to be able to engage allow their their world to engage this these systems because while we are also promoting you know the good they are also people that are pushing the ball on the ugly sides of this technology then when you have these you know frontline technologies I talked about internet penetration then devices then the next thing are the solutions that those devices will sit on now those solutions are we talked about solutions for classroom engagement which is fine then solutions that will help the school if effectively run and track student outcomes we have solutions that will you know help the teachers to deliver effective content then we now have the solutions to empower the child let's go back to first principles what's education that's where we miss it most times education in our own definition which is popular is the empowerment of the mind now when the mind is empowered the mind is limitless that's it thank you very much become limitless so and when we understand that is about the mind then we now begin to curate content to ensure that we empower that mind to live up to its full potentials now a lot of things has to change going forward and the government needs to be very drastic this decided good move day for yesterday yesterday I don't know if you heard the news private open universities were licensed about a few of them okay so it looks like a good step I say fine but I won't applaud that totally meaning that open universities concept has been around for a while and that is not the kind of concept we need in data era we need data first universities data only universities whereby they can provide skill sets to power the next generation to fit in into this world and don't forget we are in the data age but data ages winding up gradually so and when an age is going to wind up it's only visionary some visionaries that get to see before it comes and when they get to see before it comes they provide you know technology solutions to fit into the future before the world arrives there they've dominated the market we should be able to teach the next generation how to see the future and if we don't do that we will continue to wait for handouts and wait for people to give us aid we'll forever be backward but to train the child to see the future is not rocket science just constantly expose them and that mind will think 10 20 steps beyond what exposure you give to them if you put a tablet in the hand of a six-year-old or a 10-year-old you will think you've seen it all give them two weeks they will be 10 times better than you on your devices that's the potential of the mind they carry we think we have seen it all but in the hands of these children it's infinite the possibilities are endless so we need to constantly create those solutions to empower their mind and to empower their mind you're not being to say tour skills and what we are trying to do also is this we are in a crisis and I don't think an open university will solve that crisis whereby you write a jam examination we have the the essence of these new universities is to create openings for a lot of people find more people will come into universities right but if you look at the current system today about 1.92 million students write jam every year and only about 400 600 000 people gain admission now out of people that will gain admission into these universities only less than 40 percent will get the choice that they desire so the 60 percent will go into another four years into courses they are not inspired about into courses they are not passionate about and if some of them will just be frustrated in four years they just need to back a degree because they give them a job if we keep that mentality going education goes backward but if we go back to first principles why do we need to go to school we want to go to school because we want to empower our mind because we want to create solutions and we now begin to tilt the mind of the students to us in that direction whereby first and foremost you need to know what you are good at and that's where AI comes in you see before a profiler test you do some IQ test there's IQ EQ curated it digs deep into your personality asks you questions and in a month it tells you what you are caught out to do it goes into what's your personal mission statement what's your vision what's your purpose what do we like to do some people are not driven by money some people just want to make impact some want to become billionaires tell me about it so because of all of this so because of all of this yeah some courses that you can just study in line with some people don't want to make noise at all there's some world ultra-worldly Nigerians that if you want to put their names on the paper they can arrest you they don't want to be in the head that's how they are that's their maker they want to help behind the scene some ones be very very visible now if you put a that system that helps everybody understand where they want to be the system becomes stronger the mind of the people becomes more empowered and all of these systems at scale it might not be able to have it would be best of the best schools can afford it but with artificial intelligence in the party with all these legacy systems and good applications we can scale this these tools that help people to find their true nots help people trying their true purpose and we are working on something in that direction whereby everybody understands what they want to be and they begin to you know it's it's and begin to walk towards it you know you know step by step it's just tailored just tailored right for the for you for me oh wow there's a lot and that's a lot of information honestly so it tells me that there's something to look out for here in artificial intelligence but I was just gonna ask you right what would be the biggest challenge that would face in Nigeria if we were to deploy food so if the government just wakes up tomorrow this thing that you've been talking about we want to scatter everywhere we want to go out want to make it happen and all of that so what would be the biggest roadblock that you see would it be our data I mean sorry our internet provider would it be what exactly would be what would impede the the exponential growth of AI in education today I'll say it's localization content localization okay so we there's not enough house are evil you're about there we need to build our systems to translate transcribe distance real time I mean you can learn Spanish and French on a click but do a lingo yeah absolutely I mean on even even on conversational style you can chat with somebody that has not heard English language real time and there's a system that does that we as technology people here in this country we need to domesticate those kind of solutions here whereby you have you know you don't need to speak English to be educated absolutely we need to know that you don't need to speak yes if you speak house up properly you speak Igbo properly and you are educated you see provide service with these kind of interface tools you don't need to force a child to know how to read English what you need to do is your numeracy and your literacy it doesn't have to be English but you can communicate effectively and when you come to the effect so when you domesticate these tools everybody can now access opportunities not because they speak English but because they can communicate whether actual and in interface try intermediate and things are happening real time so the understand comes to your house yes you cannot communicate with him properly but he gets gets his job done and you're satisfied and you pay the agency it takes his court and he goes so one of that barrier then also too when you're talking about technology we shouldn't rush it I don't yeah we take it yes we take it we take it one step at a time there's the face where we'll call them you know the rollout face you know you do what they call the pilot face okay what impact are you looking at choose a section of society choose a section of the country maybe 10 schools across you know geopolitical zones about our across local government and get those data now those data analyze those data and use those data not to do what they call while spread adoption so you go from the early adopters you go from the late majority you go from the the uh no the from early adopters to the late majority and by so doing you have what you call while spell acceptance now the problem today is we wake up and say everybody go this direction it comes with its it's it's an issue but when you understand it from the grassroots say you take it piece after piece pilot program after pilot program it goes a long way let me uh uh see if you talk about the data agent you connected it before I begin to you know close my conversation uh so right right now we are in the fourth industrial revolution like I said it's it's already trying to you know make way for the fifth industrial revolution and I call that the connected age so if you look at systems are we if you have if you have a a call credit on your phone and you don't have data for 30 minutes it's as if the world has left you behind and we are in that age wherever we are I don't use my call credit anymore absolutely everybody does data calls data these so we are in that phase where everything is seamlessly connected and the possibilities of the connected age brings a whole new level of opportunities which if we can master those skill sets put in the hands of the children provide necessary technology to scale before you know it will become leaders in this space we've done a lot of companies that have done massively well at any education at whether lifelong learning whether reskilling whether continuous teachers development here will play a leading role going forward then I predict classroom 7.0 okay was that the teacherless the teacherless class hallelujah I like that but let me give a challenge for teacherless class now okay so the teacherless class just means that you know technology will compete for the same space now they tell you say we know as we know congruent lights now you know say would you have solved that problem within part so there's there's these growth in you know renewable energy and you know back up alternative power supply absolutely where you can deploy to work yeah solar solutions and all this is at that empty indeed of recent about somebody that was doing marriage in absentia yes get that teacherless class coming with you you need one good teacher staying in one location and you can teleport that image to thousands of locations and when they are to ask questions they just need to put in the chat bot and she will respond one person after the other in a very eccentric style and it might not be a human being now we are not we are not far away this is interesting hey Joe you're going to teach us more about this so I'm just thinking in my head how can I become what where's the business in it for me so for someone thinking to invest in artificial intelligence you know towards the future of education where what are the investment opportunities that's a very good question in fact I'm just going to charge you for that okay so first and foremost you want to ask yourself where do I want to make the most impact or where do you think the technology will make the most impact one of them is you know student improvement you know outcomes improvement I'm telling you I like to hear all that I mean I mean oh your your school or the entire state is making 35 percent overall grades but if you do ABC it will jump to 30 percent so 65 percent that's it the most technology so if you have that solution needs together like we already have I mean a lot of people would like to hear you as well of course investors will look maybe have demonstrated a lot of technology a lot of let's say a good will in that in that respect and then also to we also need to look at disruption you know higher education disruption it's another place to look at the government to try to do a private open university find by thing that a lot of things are going to happen that will not even require government to back and because yeah so at that point in time what we want to do is that one demonstrate learning that's happened and if learning happens it doesn't it doesn't matter the guy's going abroad to take a job some of them didn't recombit a science school a good number then we're self-taught I have someone a student I was engaged in one of the schools where we have our software it was building massive solutions in SS2 it was not a teacher that taught him he was self-taught today he runs and a fintech company with about four branches in Africa I even had he dropped out of university if you see him he's on he's on the go he's these are gifted geniuses today's in Kenya today's in US he set up shop he set up offices in fact when I saw him was in TransCorp he brought his entire team to TransCorp for lunch I was like oh really so the great thing is that you start in time too yeah actually I we we've run out of time oh yeah quickly um good to see you on ways courage this is simian proud of you always man oh simian thank you very thank you simian thank you thank you we can't take any other messages thank you so much courage we've had a fantastic conversation there's one more question I want to ask about an eran couple because it's looking like something we'll take it off your life we'll take it off your life thank you so much you've been an amazing and very very informative guest 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