 No, I'm just kidding. He's the greatest guy Kenny Kramer. I'm just kidding. I'm just I I'm here in New York Let's be positive. Okay. Let me introduce while I'm positive that Kenny Kramer is a piece of shit Because he sued you over nothing and made your life miserable anybody who makes Fred Stoller's life miserable is a piece of shit You don't sue Fred Stoller. He's my friend Well, even if you're not the yeah, it's all good. It's all good Let me introduce Dave Cyrus. Hi is An award-winning writer for SNL. I am you are You've written for SNL and try and thinsel comic dog series on Hulu. You're a great Comedian, thank you. You're undefeated in the rose battles. Correct. Yes, I'm gonna help you defeat Pat Dixon some day. Yes You're also a screenwriter. You're working with kite. Can't that's not getting into that I am a screenwriter. But yes, let's not get into the details. Just get until Variety releases it My Seinfeld year author Fred Stoller returns. Hello old friend. Hello You have a new memoir about life death and stand-up in the 1980s and the 1990s HBO's annual young comedian special was the ultimate launching pad for merging comics looking to break into the world of show business The young comedian special produced some of the most recognizable and bankable comedic stars of all time Including Sam Kenneson Bob Saget Jerry Seinfeld and Judd Apatow. He was on a young comedian special. I don't know that that may not be correct I mean he was on it, but I don't think he was launched. Well, no, I What about the ones who didn't exactly make it in five minutes to kill actor and comedian Fred Stoller the Kindle best-selling author of 2012's my Seinfeld year tells the story of the young comedian special in 1989 He and five other talented then unknown comics took the stage with the hopes that their five minutes sets Would propel them to fame and fortune Some like David Spade and Rob Schneider hit it big others didn't by turns Hilarious and heart-wrenching five minutes to kill is the bittersweet story of what happened to six of America's funniest people After their first big breaks welcome. Thank you, and I am one of those six funniest will disprove that theory today Who was on the 1989 young comedian special it was as that copy said Rob Schneider David Spade myself Warren Thomas Drake Sather and Jan Karam. Wow, and who hosted Dennis Miller. Oh, and it was interesting because he It was 1989 as we said and he was he was just so he wasn't the You know Bill O'Reilly kind of guy then He was still well you wrote on his HBO show where he wasn't conservative But I always found it weird he would say I want to get these fat cats in his rants I go you're a fat cat, you know, but he he did some material like he He was putting down. God. I forgot the references from 89 Some of them but he said with abortion he goes my theory is He was against abortion. He goes no cock no vote, you know, so he was sort of Saying he's against abortion, but he was still being you know, sort of progressive He had a falling out with Warren during that. Do you remember I? Remember during the young comedian special I do remember Was it a similarity in material? Yeah, and he said I have a bigger yes fold you remember that I remember Dennis Telling me that tell me what he said I didn't I just remember that Dennis and Warren were close friends and then they had a similar bit and Dennis asked Warren not to do it and Warren said You're so rich and successful Why don't you give me the bit and he said I've got a big way to fall bigger way to fall I remember Warren telling me that yes me too now this young comedian special is that in your book? Um No, it's great stuff. We won't talk about but it's a dollar ninety nine like my son. I'm just kidding Those are the cells for it. Let's let's sell the book because as you know My Seinfeld year was a bestseller because of me, right? I thought you again. I think I said the lawsuit but well that but I Had you on my show and it became a bestseller. Well cuz my listeners read they do they do oh good good I have a feeling listening to the show they read because I'm so boring I have a feeling maybe this bigger cut readers are more readers than listeners. I Have a feeling more people read than lesson. I did already Lang's podcast. So my listeners read so go to Amazon Mm-hmm if you have a Kindle order the no no no no you the people get confused ago I wish I could read I don't have a Kindle But you download a free Kindle app and you could read it on your computer your iPad your iPhone your laptop your desktop a lot of people go. I wish I could read it you can read it You just need the Kindle app. Yes, which is a Kindle single. Yes. Is it in an eye available on iBooks? I Don't know what iBooks is so but um if we do an audio I'm gonna have to do David Spades if I always act out all the characters that'll be weird This is very exciting Because this is your third Kindle single second. I had a book I had first my Seinfeld year then I had the book. Maybe we'll have you back. Maybe we'll have you back My son who was 2012 the next year 2013 was The book the full length book and this is much later. Yes, and how much is Five minutes to kill so dollar 99 as I'm gonna come up with something no one ever came up with It's the same price as a latte No, you get it that ever the poor poor lattes or how he's like invest in taxes to say in Funds alright. See I was funny in 1989, but I it's the same price as saving a life in Some third-world country. Yes. Yes think of all the money you waste on save the children. Yes when you can be no This is god a dollar 99. Well, that's what these Kindle singles are. It's um, they're mini books This is like 84 pages their thing is it's more than a magazine article not quite a book and And they do really well people like them Stephen King all these people have Kindle singles So it's hard to get in but I pitched the idea and the editor was a fan of these young comedians specials And I had to oh, so you can't do a Kindle single without their permission you you can But it won't be on their main page This is this is this one is actually not not it's Amazon publishing So they have their own publishing department where you know, they do the cover and I had to do legal stuff Everyone and you know source everything like Rob Schneider was on Cribs and said this is the house that Sandler built And I had a show I had to find The sources and I couldn't find that I found in Russian they dubbed grab Schneider in Russian and had to translate it So I had a source everything and copy it. So it's it's like a real publishing So anyone in the world can put a Kindle single out, but it's not curated through their main page And these are the best-selling Kindle singles. These are the new ones. I so yeah, so and you're indemnified if somebody sues Yes, yes, I know who's gonna sue Who would be that nuts? That was on that was on this episode, right as we don't have to pretend that's not oh, we've talked about yeah, okay Kenny Kramer on this episode Yeah, you know the weird thing is the people you think would get upset about what you wrote Didn't and things you would never think like yeah, you know my book I talked about a one-night stand with Kathy Griffin and she loved it, you know I think you know nothing you say in a book and hurt your career if it's an opinion Like I say things about Larry David. What happened to the lawsuit with Kenny Kramer. Oh, it went to the Supreme Court And then they know just kidding. They finally read it and said um Well Trump is trying to get free speech thrown out so maybe it'll bring this back You know to make it easier to sue for yes I think I say to make it easy to sue Fred Stoller Changing the laws. That's that was his his platform, but they so they did throw it out. Yes Yeah, he tried to appeal based on the fact his lawyer never saw Seinfeld I'm not making that up. That was in the appeal that he had them that he picked the wrong. Yes His it was like like Here's the law he had bad representation Did I ever tell you the moment that I knew or allegedly felt Kenny Kramer is completely full of shit? It was the real the real Kramer. Well Kenny. Yeah, not cause it was I saw an interview with him And they said well, what do you do for a living? He goes I live off the money I made doing comedy in the 80s and I was like. Oh, you're into some shady stuff. Aren't you? Dave Cyrus and shady stuff meaning that he has an umbrella I you know look, I'm sorry only that someone would allegedly misinterpret what I said to be hurt So let's go into positive things. Let's go back to 1989 you're doing the young comedian special Obviously, we know who David spade is mm-hmm. We know who Rob Schneider is mm-hmm. We know who Dennis Miller is mm-hmm Tell us about Warren Thomas Warren Thomas was from San Francisco and you were in I interviewed David Feldman and he he's he one of your quotes, which isn't in the book Maybe for the DVD extras will put some stuff in that got left out But I asked you and you said something really profound I said was Warren afraid of success and you said there's nothing wrong with being afraid of success I really like that that it's not a flaw and basically, I Think Dana Covey and Robin Williams and you could correct me if I'm wrong they created this kind of riffing style of free flow and in San Francisco pop references pop culture like almost like a Steven Pearl was a pre-cur- he was a guy that only a few people could keep up with Robin Williams with riffing and it was this guy Steven Pearl sweet guy and Warren Thomas and Greg Proups and and and Kramer not Kenny Jeremy Kramer Did you interview Jeremy Kramer? No, I didn't get a hold of him. I wish I could have I would have been good. Oh, I'm Kenny. I actually I Love Tom, but I emailed him. He's so busy. He's not just SpongeBob. He's everything every second. He's doing By the way Fred Stoller Made history three years ago on the show. You're the only person ever to say a bad thing about Tom. Can I Yes, we were gonna have Tom on and he said he would come on and I forgot to call him I love Tom. Yeah, I did yeah, but you did I try reached out I reached out it was weird because a lot of people were treating me like I was doing an expose of the Catholic Church in Malastation like I'm not giving up spade or Stoller's going in places. She shouldn't be you know How people people wouldn't talk to me about spade. Hey back off man Or and other people going I heard you poking around so some some people Changed their mind about interviews. It's too emotional Warren Thomas's best friends that was gonna then he changed his mind Greg poops Greg poops. They don't want to talk about he did then he then he goes I I think this is too emotional and I respect that right, you know, he was his best friend So some people some people got mad where I won't say names where they said why did you say this you lied? And I had a center the The tape we did of the interview to go I didn't say these things tell me about Warren Thomas He was excuse me a black guy, but he did he didn't pause there for one thing It was a black eye, but but exactly But here there's the bot again But he didn't he didn't really Do the Dave Chappelle talking about the plight like he would do stuff like like the the black I voice I'm here sweeping all the you know the lights went out You know someone told me in some San Francisco club He goes now can't you can't see me so he would do the you know come in. Sorry. I'm late I'm on Negro time, you know, he would do something, but he really he was like Bill Cosby. Yes, he didn't make his Black he didn't want to shine a light on the plight and yes He wasn't he just was he wanted to be funny and there he was on one side of the divide in the African-American community one side obviously says We're black. We're like the orthodox Jews Right. Nobody's ever gonna get over the fact that we're black So we're gonna dress like orthodox Jews and stay away from everybody else But Warren was of the OJ Simpson Bill Cosby Tradition but but but influenced by the Bay like I said when by that I mean going to prison, right? I did go to prison Warren. I didn't know that I'm at prison, but he was locked up. Yeah. Oh, wow Well, yeah, Alcliffe and said they were both, you know that joke being black on a sunny day They would just round them up. He was in the Black Panthers a junior Black Panthers who was Warren Thomas His mother was a Black Panther and and they would have these meetings at Warren's place So he was brought up with that sensibility. He the Berkeley kind of black guy, you know the but he didn't go that thing Like I said, I'm actually I was gonna say that like a Franklin Ajay, but Franklin Ajay was also running back, right? I was state. I don't Maybe I wrote it but I got drafted. Oh, yeah, and it's saying like I John Ross Telled stories that they would do, you know mushrooms or whatever all night acid then he'd play in these pickup games and score 50 points his resilience his Constitution was crazy and everything and No, I remember when I did 1988 Cubs comedy club in the Bay Warren would headline he'd do an hour then Robin Williams would come up Do an hour then they would improv another hour. I'm not making this up Then when the crowd was leaving they had no idea who I was because they went up way in the beginning So yeah, so he was like I said, he very influenced by Robin Williams Warren and the problem with Warren Thomas was He would riff but he had no discipline like Robin would make it look like it's spontaneous But he was very what so we're not calculated But he had tricks like a magician and made it look like do the door Yeah, Warren Never could worry he would be insanely funny offstage and you he couldn't he would never Recreate it like guys like the late rich Jenny you'd hang out with a comedian who'd like that's funny Can I have what you did and he'd write it down or he said something funny Warren wasn't that Warren? You know in the problem like Rickles Rickles, but he stills like a Robin Williams. Well, you know the schtick. He's gonna do. Hey, he is the this guy in the front Well Rickles if you go back and watch Rickles on Carson He truly was in the moment and saying things off the top of his head right no way because he's not telling jokes You're saying that Warren Was pure was pure he'd go on stage and he said he would still riff like I Wrote about in the single the book is that after his set like David Spade went He would kind of like he would just what did what did you do because we lost because he would kind of go What what else isn't what else should we talk about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and stumble and they had to edit it to make it because he goes Yeah, I like to just find my way. So to him it was almost that cowardly, but not yet to be Maybe just weren't we're on a pussy But and just have a five-minute structured set that you rehearsed. I think he and even for an HBO special He was not riffing. He had some signature bits like he did The first black eye to fly first class some more peanuts please. Yes. Yes, and he dick in the butter tray Yes, and he so he had some signature bits, but he and one of his signature What I found that from interviewing him is he would like to Lose the crowd piss them off almost call someone a C word and then get them back and And he almost part of his act was he did a bit where he'd go where did Warren lose him? And he would take the mic like a pointer and go well He did the dick in the butter tray and he would try to remember You know, I mean he almost on part like I did when I did stand up a lot of my jokes Were bombing like I'm having fun. This reminds me of the night. I got stabbed in the head You know just weird and then I would try to do them when I was doing well. Oh, that doesn't make sense So Warren part of his thing was losing them on purpose almost does that? Oh, absolutely That was a San Francisco treat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Warren was He was on but not in an always riffing But and you said something interesting when I interviewed you that you were in the bay and you can riff But you would like for sports To argue and you would almost take turns like saying I think bush is good. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we would drive to gigs and fight as a joke Well, you know, I love Warren will love them. I don't want to give things away, which I just did but I He got to a point where he loved to argue and Contradict you where I did a real asshole-ish thing like one time and I said, oh, that's so sad But Christopher Reeve he goes, what's the big deal? People get paralyzed every day. Fuck is a celebrity So then as an experiment I went the opposite way like the next day go, you know, what's the big deal with Christopher Reeve? Why they heralded him? He goes well, he's a spokesperson We need a they need a person to raise money and we need to raise him up You know, you know I'm saying he liked as to so I would like an asshole like say the opposite of what he argued With me about on another day, you know what I remember he did That just made me laugh so hard. John Ross was best friends with yes I oh, I John gave me such great and I such a great story So one of the things that made me laugh the hardest was I went to pick up Warren He was staying with his mom in right next door to Berkeley. It wasn't Oakland. It was Can't remember the name of the town anyway, San Francisco. Yes. Thank you. That's right. No. No, it's the town over Concord No, I just say this guy's too muscular to be funny It's bothering me, but let's talk. Sorry. So you have a low threshold for muscular He and his brothers used to do this to his mother. She'd be serving them breakfast and they go. That's it, bitch Crack the egg You love it you love me and they would and she would be laughing Joe Rogan school of comedy. I am I'm just kidding Just kidding. All right Warren Thomas Drake say there Drake say there Yes This guy was you remember him. Yeah. Oh a great great great jokes this guy was like Interviewing Rob Schneider for this they were really good interviewer option. I did yeah, and he was really cool they were roommates in San Francisco. Yes, and Drake was like a hot throb, and they were they were into like fashion those guys like, you know You know, well, he wrote Zoolander and he was really Drake say they're into Those kind of GQ magazines into metrosexual, you know fashion was a very good-looking guy. Oh stunning. Yes I interviewed a woman who dated him and Rob Schneider and she you know Bernadette Lockett sweet You dated her too. No, no, I love Bernadette. Yeah, so she said she was just describing his appeal I looked into his blue eyes. I felt I was swimming in them how gorgeous he was but he was really into image and Yeah, he was like he was into Andy Warhol. He was someone said this guy Mark Brazil who was I did was very articulate And he was 70 show comey. Yes, he created that 70 show and He said Drake was almost like or maybe corruption. I said I'm like Andy Warhol like he dyed his hair jet black and doing this kind of persona almost performance art where he His first wife was a stripper and they went on people's court and they did it together as performance art It was brilliant almost like with judge Wapner and did they know did Wapner knows. No No, it's genius. So he was like almost a performance artist in his own way and he When he said to Rob Schneider first time they met her he goes, you know, you want to meet my wife? Okay, and they go to a strip club and she's dancing. So he he know he was really into Man, who's that filmmaker who that the eye gets lashed? I don't know. Dolly. Yes. He was into that. He was into He'd oh Lenny Bruce So it wasn't Dolly there was a slash in the eye. No with it when they made it a hard-boiled egg No, it's the David Bowie. I can't remember. No, no, that's Salvador. That's Salvador Dolly's like first film where there's a woman They used a hard-boiled egg to make it look like they slashed it. Yeah That's I swear to God that Salvador Dolly and he was a bow used to play it But that was but he loved he loved that he was with a stripper because Lenny Bruce's had a stripper wife or girlfriend honey. Yeah, yeah so so Drake really was into that stuff and Just a he was so cool because he never spoke he was like for a while. I would um his wife Marnie He met in Australia beautiful. Do you remember Marnie? She was a waitress at the laugh factory and I'd hang out with them and he had this coolness so not neurotic You know one thing I put in the book like he sidles up to me You know and he goes, you know before the taping is me and you we have it how tougher because we're tall We already won so short scrappy guys that make it. That's why the resentment He said me and you we have it tougher because we're tall. We already won. He was sort of Intuiting that the just short little scrappy guys go far because they are overcompensating like I won the genetic lottery Because I'm tall that's interesting which I didn't he was tall and gorgeous, you know and all that funny story he this woman slept with Or Drake and then I don't want to disparage to dead but this guy passed away this comedian who He did jokes. He looked like Super Mario or whatever. He was why'd you sleep with Drake and not me? Come on babe, and he was pulling her and The joke which is not joked is how do you go? Hey, it's like me talk to a woman You were Brad Pitt why him and not me all right. That's oh, is this a San Francisco comic? Yes, bald Yes, heavy set. Yes criminal record. Yes You know Stephen Allen Green I'm on I'm very close to Stephen, you know, I don't want a lot of stories I don't want to say but all right Say whatever you want. I know Green he did a rant on Facebook how everyone's fucking him over and me and Norm McDonald did something to him I don't remember Something we talked or maybe talked about him on this podcast and then I just was tar Yeah, so I'm a lonely guy and I go Hey, who wants to get a milkshake on Facebook and he was the only one that bit now Do you know that Norm McDonald shared an office with Drake? That's in my Kindle single and and Dennis Their first writing job was the first Dennis Miller show which you seeing a young guy, but to know your stuff Yeah, I was a fan of the Des Miller show Yeah, but I'm talking about Tribune before HBO. Yeah, like how John Stewart had a show the network show. Yes I think it was Fox, but so Norm got fired and it's like the Seinfeld bit. He kept coming to work Norm got fired. Yes right away And then he just kept coming in with them says alright give him the job back norm would Norm would just write that one joke a day, but it'd be a great joke. He'd say they're right these you know He shared an office with Drake and and Norm called them the twins because they were both tall Brilliant and quiet and Dennis was obsessed with their office because the lights were always off Hmm. He goes in the heart of darkness. Ah Were you on that staff? No, that was Drake's first writing job norms mark Brazil who ended up nor They tell the story mark Brazil Is you know did really well creating that 70s show and if you follow him on Facebook, he's very liberal and very passionate and His heart was broken. Norm always tells a story, you know when they're starting to show he goes to Dennis gives we got to go go after this rush limbaugh guy and this goes I kind of like that cat and then marks face Sulk's away, you know, I kind of like the things he says, you know So, uh, yeah, so who else was you know, Kevin Rooney. I intended Rooney was on staff. Yes. Yes Yeah, so what was your was your first writing job on Dennis's was on Roseanne with norm and one of my One of the reasons I got fired was because of Drake's either. Why is that? Well? I was getting shut down in the room and Drake was working on Larry Sanders and Larry Sanders the Radford lot I'd always see him walking around so I would run into Drake and I he goes has it going because it was my first writing job Was from steam on with you? Yes. Yes. He's in my book. He yeah, Stevie. I love you and I Know you're so no I still was a story with Stevie and he was only concerned That's why he wasn't trying to throw me but I'll tell you later. So Drake gave me this advice He says has it going today. I said it's a nightmare. I've got this guy running the room Who just keeps shutting me down and I'm so much funnier than he is and Drake said what you do is this was 20-some odd years ago go for a walk Just leave the room and go for a walk and then come back and you'll be refreshed. You'll clear your head So we went for a walk Drake and I went for a walk. It was a four-hour walk My my days were numbered well with me when I wrote on Seinfeld that year That one year. I remember There was no table on Seinfeld, you know You just you were on your own everyone for themselves and then it got to a point where six weeks to go in this He said, oh, I'm not gonna do your episode. Uh, it's Larry Tave impression There's no point in starting anything else up. So he didn't say but you know Just stay home So I'd come in every day just for lunch go for walks play pinball and run-throughs But but but he said don't do anything. So that was a day of it. It's a Yeah, okay, Drake say there and then he passed away. Don't give him away the endings But well, I guess I guess itself is more to it than that But yeah, yeah in a way that let them read and find out what is that in the book No, no, I it starts with the young community special then it ends. I'm just kidding. I I follow them all through every Jan Karam. Mm-hmm beautiful. Jen. Yeah, I write about her. I think she was a precursor To the hot chicks doing comedy. I mean she I won't name names She knew of writer on Saturday Night Live or a producer and said hey, could I be on it goes? You're too beautiful you're too beautiful and then finally she said well, what about Tina Fey and that's so she a precursor to the Sarah Silverman Amy Schumer hot chicks or Jen never owns her hotness. She never you know talked about, you know bodily Functions with semen and you know, I'm not saying that's all they do but you know, I'm saying About sex. No, she was like girly, but she was really beautiful and she still is so Remember Vanda Michaels. Yes Just thought I'd bring her up. Yeah, she was more like a vampy kind of Well, Vanda vamp. No, she was yes. She was a very sexy lady. But yeah, but women in the 80s were more like kind of like Mini Paul risers, you know the you know punch punch, you know Paul riser was punch punch. We think well, well that 80s kind of New York roll up your sleeves and Paul riser Yeah, he means Paula Poundstone Sorry, I don't know Go ahead. I do think it's odd that like we think of it as such an advantage to be a beautiful woman in comedy But at the same time, I think Sarah Silverman might have been one of the most attractive women who ever lived And she never got a movie and she was amazing. She's got movies She never starred in a movie of her life recently hotness. Well, I'll tell you about no I and this is what I think about Sarah Silverman very very very attractive But she's attractive where she makes you think one of us could be with her even though we never could you know She has an accessibility. I don't believe she's like like what's her name? Who's that woman? The black lady and whose line is it anyway? Aisha Tyler is gorgeous, but it's not an accessibility like there's a wall up Sarah What makes you think you could have Sarah Silverman and nothing in the world You know I'm talking about You get the impression if you make her laugh enough she'll love you even though Yeah, I mean just the word just just accessibility What's her name the whose line is it lady? She doesn't there's a wall She's not it to me You know I'm saying there's a floor not a flirty with Sarah Silverman, but like like Amy Schumer Yeah, so Jen was a precursor to beautiful women being comedians, but she never really made it like those people did Okay, but this is exciting Yes, and and I interviewed you out This is so long ago on Mother's Day and you only gave me a few minutes because you're in your car You're in Jersey, but it was this last year. Yeah, I think it was Mother's Day. It would be like a year ago Yeah, it took a while and what did I say? Did I give you any insight? Yeah, um, I Like the thing about what's wrong with being afraid of success We talked about that earlier in the show. Well, that's about all the insight you gave me I'm trying to you know pump you off, but earlier I was talking to Mark Normand about fear of success waiting in the wings to go on and saying to yourself Wow, this is This is too much pressure. I can't handle it and fear of success I think is a rational response to realizing the pressures that success is going to Bring you well and interviewing for this Book a lot of things I didn't realize I didn't realize the bay in the 80s Was I thought only new york city's comedy boom the 80s was where there was more gigs and comedians Where you could almost effortlessly make a living. I didn't know in the bay They were like rock stars We were rock stars and like bob rubin and and some of them were in a comfort zone where they they were You know like almost race to the rafters and where it was hard because in the bay They were these rock stars then they had to come to los angeles to hollywood and figure out How to package that to show biz the package was special about you and it wasn't about being creative as it was in the bay It was more like and a lot of them couldn't do that like warren, you know some of them could yes The the tension in san francisco and that's over by the way. There's no They don't encourage young comedians in san francisco really no it stopped But at the time in the 80s early 90s you were taught to be a star You had a in san francisco. Yeah, you were you were encouraged to develop a follow kind of like now with social media You had to be Funny and then you have had have a following like bob rubin Yes, and you had to nurture your following And you're right then you'd go to new york and la and you'd have your ass handed to you because nobody knew who you were And you weren't getting free laughs But some people like ellen She was from the bay. Yeah Well originally from new orleans, but she she made her name in the bay area and whoopee made her name in the bay area and dana carvey and Jake and i'm thinking A lot of and then they moved to la and they had their first round of star making in san francisco It was kind of like the minor well dana carvey was yeah, so they knew how to do it right others came down and Couldn't deploy or there was some that A great guy who I just um Met a few years ago Uh, jeff bolt who was on a young comedian special Was he on your young comedian? No, no, no, no. Yeah, very funny guy, but he was on an earlier one and he Was spherical he was making like 50 000 a year doing some advertising voiceovers and he had a kid and goes Why do I have to go to sam uh to hollywood? So there were people that never uh came to hollywood from the bay that was they didn't need to because at the time wall street had not Bought up all the local radio and television stations and advertising agencies Nobody realizes it. I think they're beginning to realize That wall street has just sucked all the commerce into the tip of manhattan. Really? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah So yeah, all these there was one guy there was a time when I lived in san francisco and all the radio stations all the advertising agencies All the television stations were locally owned and the newspapers were locally owned So there was real competition. There was real money Plus in the bay, a lot of these guys were big stars on this radio show alex, uh, bennett He was like a like a stern kind of guy. So they were in such a cushy. Yeah, they're followings They'd go on alex bennett. I was on the alex bennett show and Yeah, I mean if there was a I would be recognized. Wow It was weird So what was it like when you first came to hollywood from or did you go to new york after I went to hollywood? But I went as a writer as a stand-up. I had been doing stand-up for about 12 years And I got as good as I was going to get what year we're talking 94 I got you were getting tv spots around then right I was doing a lot of cable access shows There was all like mtv and a and e but I couldn't break through to like hbo I couldn't get on you did a one night stand though. Did you I don't no, no, I did Comedy central presents. I was gonna say I know I saw you on tv in the 90s Yeah, yeah, I was on tv a lot in the 90s But it was all the low-rent tv and I was told not to do it I was told to save myself for the tonight show and I said these are the only people who are putting me on tv I'm gonna do so I decided I'm gonna do every tv show and get so comfortable on tv that if I ever Was hard to turn down even at the improv right and the truth is I mean as someone who was watching stand-up as a kid in that time I don't remember who I saw in the tonight show and who I saw an evening at the improv But you know something um I'm not sure if you want to tell your age, but when I tell people about my book Many people 30 or younger had no idea what these hbo young comedians specials were either evening at the evening at the improv I sound like an old guy people don't know their history But you would think if you're a comedian you'd want to see people starting out on these evening at the improv So those old kind of you know if you could find them Don't judge my age by my face. Okay, judge it by the fact that I can't sit here without a heating pad and not be an intense Pain because of all the the nautilus How deep are we into the show? I want to say something about being jewish. How deep are we into this show? Okay, and then we had mark normand on You know, what's your last name stoller? What's your last name cyrus? Okay. What's my last name felt man who's got the The jewish last name you okay? I gotta carry The weight for my entire religion. We had mark normand right in here talking about how we he loves the jews He's not a jew. He wishes he was a jew and You walk in Dave cyrus walks in The jew uh-huh with the persian last name now I feel wrong. I should the complaint. I should the complain now. I'm hot alex. Can I have some a c please? This is what i'm talking about. Yes. I gotta act like The the gentile I have to act like the guy from canada kid because my last name is feldman cyrus walks in in the middle of the show With ben gay Ben gay three pillows. Yep Heating pad heating pad. I can't my great-grandmothers I can't move my neck. Yes, and and this little part of me is thinking Not in front of the gentile Then I run into fred stoller. I really do have a cold. Hang on. I run into fred stoller as we're saying about a mark normand The first thing out of your mouth is I can't shake your hand. I got a cold. I'm being nice Where can I get and I can't where can I get the chicken soup? Where can I get chicken soup? Don't get too close to me. Then you walk into the studio. It's so drafty in here And and I have you know by the way, I have a problem with your friend I won't mention the name But you start bringing up the friend and I'm thinking I don't get to act that way Let me hang on for one second I don't get to act that way because my last name is feldman I would love to walk into the studio. Let me say complained But I can't no, let me you guys have your gentile last names And you get to be choose the very idea that you think you'd pass for a second with a gentile last name Let me say my defense my act my persona was never like a kindler like oh the jews here on your territory I work with kindler and he he mocks me when I was on mark maren like oh the annoying nebbi show You know like kindler. I really don't reference being jewish. I didn't go. Oh, yeah was a skinny guy They hit me. I'm jewish. That's me kindler, but no, but you know, I'm saying kindler is so But you guys walk into a room and Jew it up No, I'm neurotic in a different way like my mother when I talk about my mother. Yes, they go She's a typical jewish neurotic. Well, no, she's some other pathology. It's not that and I think I'm neurotic But it's not the jewish cliche. I'm not saying kindler's cliche. I can't think of other You know I'm saying I'm not the jewish like like jackie mason. Oh, I'm not running for trump. He doesn't like israel Oh That's my impression of a jew his parents pearl and morris Pearl and morris you deserve. That's pretty jewish. Yeah, you deserve an anglicized last name If your mother and father the jews hated I grew up in sheepshead bay in brooklyn me too Really sheepshead bay on brag street, uh brown street. Wow right by the bell parkway. Yeah And um, they use I didn't know jews were a minority We had no education because we I'd see minorities everywhere and they never liked us because we weren't observant jews So don't play with freddy. He eats comets and uh, and and and they would always be racist small minded But two days a year they dress up and I never liked that hypocrisly like we're good jews and you guys are So we had a house fire and the house not burnt to the ground but burnt your house fire We had a house fire when I was here your house caught on fire. Yes electric fire. Did you have menorahs? No An electric fire. You always hear about christmas tree fires and every minor fires So the rabbi says to us now. Maybe you should go to temple and start praying and my father goes No, everyone else in the block should pray and thank god it wasn't them and uh, so I always tell them morris I never liked this exclusivity like Every word is us against them that go in the schvitz is the schvitz is so I don't go Oh, we're persecuted. I'm the jew here. The only time I ever ran into anti-semitism was in san antonio At a comedy club. They screamed out. Where'd you get your? nose job jew and uh So no, I'm not like when he's go. Oh, we're persecuted. I never I don't have that that's the that's a motto of san antonio Yeah, where'd you get your nose job jew? But uh, man, I talked about kindler on mark maren. You know what I should do, uh, alex Maybe I should we should call tom sharpling and uh result my feud with uh kindler I'm pitching tom sharpling ideas on your podcast Who do you feud with lately because you do have feuds a lot of people think of you as a nebish, but you You have a lot of rage inside of you Well, I people think they could bully me because you know, I have this persona So I don't when people bully me. I I push back What about when norm bullies you? Um I figured something about norm mcdonnell people think he's drunk. He's slurs. You know what I think it is He will tell you things offstage But he's very diplomatic. He'll be like, yeah, that guy's gray. Uh, who yeah, um, um, so I think he's he's very Smart where he doesn't he's not like me like a schmuck says things Kindler goes, yeah, I can't live is great. You go. Can't like, um, yeah Does that make sense? So you travel with norm not anymore Did you have a falling out? No, but um, what was the name of your cat who passed away michael I've I because of you have come up with a theory about cats. How old was michael? Left to be 18 And and and you loved michael. Um, I'm I hate to I don't hate to say it That's the sadly that's the best Closest relationship I ever had with anything parents Um, except for alex I'm doing shtick, you know, like I'm being so lame. I'm making fun of kid. There's like Is there if I ask you about michael because I don't know he's been he's been gone about two years or maybe more Where did you find michael? Well, when I wrote on uh sidefelled, uh, there was the you know the radford lot So in the days when larry said don't bother doing anything But but I wanted to show up to get my last six checks. I'd go for walks And do you remember there was that there was a place across I played pinball Do you remember there was a like a little bar not a bar like a weird shack kind of thing? And then I there was a place called rusties that had pet pet adoption. So And I I never had cats growing up. I never got them. I thought they were like squirrels But then a cat showed up at my place and was rolling on his back. I don't know. I don't know cats could be great But then let me he showed up at your place. He would just Like maybe he was lost or a neighborhood cat. He I'd open the door. He'd come in roll on his back This is michael. No, it was another cat. I go. I don't know cats are amazing like this cat I said, but then the cats up showing up. Maybe the uh was lost or um, whatever Maybe he was on to you. Yeah, so so then I said I think I want to get a cat because When I wrote on seinfeld, I saved the money to get off the road. I hated the road and said I want to stay in town now and try to be a character actor So I said, so then I remember the place rusties and they had uh Forster days and um So, uh, and everyone's sitting there with their cat and I I didn't know which one to pick, you know You know and one woman Actually, I looked her up and her name She was a playboy. She was an apocalypse now as one of the playboy playmates She was uh, I forgot Cynthia woods Cindy woods. I wish I could Email her and say thank you for the best 18 years of my life. That's pussy. I ever got it. Yes. Yes. Yes I did it I went for the pussy. Yes, so um, she goes this one is so exceptional. I'm thinking of keeping him so I trusted her and He would leap into my arms to be held kissing me and now I'm an insane cat lover. I'm staying with rena who has two cats named michael when you got him or did you name a michael? Well, um, if you read my kindle single, um, no, I'm not saying that when I uh, you're gonna mock but when I came to I went through a thing when I auditioned for the first, uh 1980 and then I he's not Rodney kindles Rodney kindle Rodney young comedian special um, I uh Rodney because you're too low-key. Okay and I went through a funk and um I remember I went with this comedian a guy mikey again. You a great guy. You probably never heard of him Sounds familiar. He was he just was a new york filly guy and and he had a like a 13-year-old son who was so in You know from a Past marriage and dad are you gonna be on that cable? But it was public access and and it hit me if you have a kid You don't come home. I'm a piece of shit Rodney doesn't want me I don't know how you or your kids you have to hold it in and and your kids excited for any little victory you have So then I had an imaginary son And his name is michael And he when I moved to la michael would be proud of me and this is very What he was like was he a real imagination? I was in that psychotic where I'd give him cereal You know and wipe his face and put him on the toilet. Well, you don't do that with 13 year olds but But I I came up with the inner child concept before they did it. I were you really I wasn't that pathological where but you did have an imaginary. So yes named michael and then my cat was called I want to were you doing it as a joke or did you actually talk to an imaginary? Again, it wasn't that psychotic where I would talk to him in the street But I remember, you know, just when I did the tonight show. I remember thinking my son's proud of me I I had to do this so I didn't beat myself Like my mother would come home. It's almost over. You know, my mother never understood about being strong for your children I'm gonna die. Who's gonna go first me and marris Morris make sure you like it. It's your last car What if marris goes? I don't know how to do things So I I didn't know that your mother and father were named pearl and morris You're gonna move to sweden and marry the first blonde I really wish now that triumph's dad was named morris and not sydney because that's so much more You know now, you know what I did with my kids. This is true Did you come home? I'm a piece of shit. My jokes didn't get work used today Well, no, I always come home and say fred Stoller's a piece of shit No, I this is true I had an imaginary son and an imaginary daughter because my daughter you didn't like was terrible No, my daughter had an imaginary friend get out of here. You're not mocking me No, I swear to god. This is true. My daughter had an imaginary friend and I thought it was really cute So I and my daughter was like three at the time. I said, well, I have an imaginary daughter Her name is donna and so donna would come in and We would and then donna became perfect So then oh had to live up to it. So I'd go donna doesn't have a temper tantrum I did it as such a joke that my daughter by the time she was seven was getting Stop comparing me to donna. Yeah, she would get a knife and stab. Yeah, donna and then my son had You know imaginary friend. So I he I had an imaginary son named don so there was don and donna You know, I remember about your son. Hang on for one second. Hang on for one second So As the years went on and my kids became more depraved They're gonna say more depressed more depressed They would be in the back seat talking about don and donna it got to the point Where they invented a storyline with their friends where don had impregnated donna Oh my god, donna had a go. I go. Where's donna now that are like 16 and 18 Oh donna went away dad. We can't maybe it's good. I never had real kids They and their friends had this whole scenario were don Just the idea of the daughter and you taught your kids to believe that their imaginary friend and a miscarriage Fantastic It was pretty funny. What were you gonna say about my son? What I remember is, um, I used to Abumbent you a lot at the farmers market, but also walking the glove panpacific park and I think you were uh He was playing little league you were his coach Yeah, and you went You went his freddy you go fart for him and he did like did you teach him to do that for people he was always loaded And he would just tell him to do it. Yeah, he had this gift gift then he discovered girls He hung out with comedy writers And comedians and he would come up to the wherever doesn't seem like a david feldman sensibility He would come in from the time he was like six months old. He would crawl into a writing room find the candy And then when he was by the time he was three he could go look at everybody I can fart and he would make a fist with both hands, you know, and he'd fart and everybody's doing stand-up now And headlining and you open for him with that. Well, his name as a stand-up was frankie lane Really? I made up this imaginary See, I feel not so crazy He's saying this I used to tell everybody that he was frankie lane america's youngest political satyrist This one he was eight years old So I used to crack chef garland up and go, what's going on? I can't play with you, jeff I'm taking frankie lane out to the improv. He's auditioning for the tonight show So the thing is you made this out of loneliness. He had kids to take care of but he's making these things up Or just to to not beat myself up so much to be strong and have someone be proud of me and all that stuff I'm sorry. His name was ralphie lane. I apologize Ralph Ralph. Thank you. Not frankie lane. Frankie lane was a singer They're on the 101 near monterey As we would head up to san francisco to visit grandma and grandpa there'd be a road called ralphie lane on the 101 Heading north and I always thought that's a great name for a stand-up And then I would turn to my son and say he was like six at the time You're ralphie lane america's youngest political satyrist Wow, that's great. It became this running fiction I mean, it's too bad. You didn't go all the way and do what a lot of dads did Which was just feed their nine-year-olds all their failed stand-up bits because it works when a child doesn't I mean, you've seen that that's how that's how I did not know I did not know you did a thing called feldor the clown. Someone just told me Well, you did your same act as dressed as a clown. Did you know this? Yes, we've talked about that It's his email I didn't put it together that you I didn't think oh he literally was a clown So yeah, I wore a clown suit for a while No, but like it works for your act though because your act is just so depressing and dark that having just like a failed clown do it The hardest the funny hardest I ever made warren thomas laugh. We were working a club and I was in a clown suit drinking drunk And fighting with my then Girlfriend soon to be my ex-wife soon to be my ex-wife And we're going And I'm in a clown suit and then I turn to warren holding a shot of jack daniels I can't control this woman and he just started cracking up because I'm this unshaven clown Bozo fright wig red nose holding a shot of jack daniels Totally unaware that I'm in the clown suit complaining about my girlfriend. He just could anyway He did so many stories of warren and He's well one of the things he he was always on but he was generous meaning he made you funnier He he you know, he wasn't like a guy with a wall up just doing shtick He really brought you along and went with your bits warren could do too I'll shut up, but there are two things that I remember one was dana carvey And one was warren thomas this this how funny these two guys are I remember watching on saturday night live carcino. Yeah, yes, sure dana carvey As carcino. Yeah, that was and I started laughing so hard In a way that I had never laughed before and I remember thinking Oh, this must be what it feels like to be a woman being entered I swear to god that was I had this reaction when I was going. Oh my god This must be like he was that The comedy was so invasive. Oh once someone I interviewed for this said warren was like almost a killer Yes, like an assassin Yes, like he'd see you're laughing and then he'd go more and more like right up to your face He wanted you to like almost Like warren warren that I was gonna say about warren That was dana on tv day, you know dana could do it to strangers on tv. Yes, you know dana says and I Maybe it's true that dana was the best ever to do saturday night live He may have he may be that's a great point. Yeah, and so what warren would do is he would riff in your face Yes, and you would drop to your knees and he would stand over you. Yep. Keep going riffing and you'd be curled up Yes laughing and like an assassin like an assassin, you know, you know robin You would you know robin wouldn't do that Proops Proops wouldn't do that, but warren would stand over you And you'd just go down you would you would walk into a room and there'd be somebody down Laughing yes, he would take you down, but again the sad part is he couldn't translate that to You know, that's why I brought up dana first because dana can yes He couldn't translate that to where america could see that and You know all that stuff, but um No, I I was good to I guess that's what it's like being a good host I got out of my head Talking to people made friends made some not friends One guy I won't say his name was like my kenny banya episode Do you know the sign felt one? Of course that happened to me real guy bruce smirnoff Gave me the money suit and demanded a meal for it and that was based on hanging for one second Bruce smirnoff Is our miami bureau chief now? Oh So in real life tell us about bruce smirnoff He gave you what happened your story. He gave you what happened was there used to be a place The bevelie connection and a starbucks and sure and one time I I saw him he goes, what's my suit of you? I don't know. I didn't ever have a suit. He goes, I must go. I've been working out He goes, I got a new our money suit doesn't fit me I'll give it to you and all right and a money suit. He would said it was a thousand dollars I don't want to get into another lawsuit, but I found it for someone it was on a closeout rack for 200 You know he goes you take me for a meal. You know the story really happens. We went to jerry's deli And jerry's deli If you listened to last week's show, yes bruce smirnoff is on he references the episode And we talk about jerry's deli. Yes. Go ahead. So he You know he says I'm just gonna have the soup save the meal. He got soup and a soda can't collect 20 bucks So then he'd call me up. He go. I'm at jerry's want to meet me. So he'd have the soup and soda skip saving the meal And uh, I I pitched it to larry. He's crazy. He goes, uh Because jerry's more sort of he would say the first time soup doesn't count So so what happened was then um You know, I wrote the episode off it and uh, then I got you know, there was an ass back to seinfeld And then bruce goes I want to reel me a lot just jerry's because you know, you made money. You wrote an episode And everything did you already pay for two soups at jerry's at this point But he said he wouldn't let you pay for him. No, no, I paid for them. But his his contention was uh You know, you made more money because you wrote an episode you made money. I gave you also gloves He goes, I don't want he goes jerry's you gave me but because finally we had a jerry's meal But he goes, uh, I want like a real meal like and I'm such a nabish. I go. Let me just get this over with I know Just get it or whatever. I you know, I I can't say no So I had just got fired from seinfeld and he's sitting there like it, you know, it was on uh, I can't think of an example the late brad gray You know like on paramount where I didn't I never went to a restaurant like this everything's a la carte and he's he's wiping his hand I'll get soup and uh And I'm sitting out with my head down. I hardly had anything that he's getting a dessert and You know, so he went to town so in in in doing this research for this Kindle single thing one comic, um, I don't know if he'd have the sense of humor as bruce would have about it, but He you know, he was in the scene. So we met at um place in malibu called nobo. Uh, it's expensive Oh, yeah, what's it called? No boo so he goes, I'll take it easy. Oh, she sushi. He said I'll take it easy. I'll just have appetizers It came to 70 dollars so then He goes, I just thought of other information. So we need it for waffles, you know So then I pay, you know, again, so then who are you having this? I'll tell you off. Maybe because you're doing this as research for seinfeld. No, no, no, no, no This for his book. This was for the recent book when I was I was okay. I had I I didn't mind I paid for every One for the you know, I'd pick up their meal because they're giving me information and um Three of them were very men she they go freddy and freddy I'm not letting you because they're multimillionaires rick miscena mark brazil and davrath They go, you know, Dave rath is a multimillion. Well, he he manages so many people pete holmes and uh, I can't think of the list, but I don't know. He's does well. Yes. Yes. Yes. Very good. He took care of warren Yes, yes. Yes. He was very he when warren got sick. He was instrumental in Maintaining warren's health very generous and with me. So this other guy Texted someone that led to an interview for my book. He goes, you know, I I want a real meal at nobo's not just the appetizers I could you just like any bag yet this way He goes, I could you just like anybody goes you benefited. I should benefit So then I I kind of been estranged from him because other annoying things So I I do you keep up with bruce murnoff No, because he's in he's in florida and I see as a trump supporter Is he a trump? Maybe he's not. I don't know. You got to cut him out of your life. Yeah, because I would see I would see on facebook He's so funny. He is very funny, right? Isn't he one of the funniest people? Yeah, isn't he the great story teller of all time? He yes, he is he did at one man's show and he Just is cadence like uh, I got a nose job. You know why pussy You know, you know just like I like he just even though it's that old school cadence. It's uh I'm not gonna go there. You know, yeah, we all know that comic and I could see how they could be a trump supporter that comic Who nickelin dimes everything and not even like money-wise that like Pat nozzwell tells a great story in his book about how he was featuring for some comic and the comic had like a fit Because the clock radio in the features room had more features than the clock radio in the headliners room And he switched them and then left him like a page written out in hand about how The reason why he needed to do this Well, when I worked with tom kenny who you know, he's making up that we had a fight But went on an animation show he did no you came on the show About three years ago and you were pissed off at tom kenny because Oh, he would always say i'm a working man I'm like what he got three and it'd come an hour late every session and charm everyone I I envied him because he's charming. No, he's a great guy. I was just he's of course He's a great guy, but nobody in the history of the world ever said a bad word about tom kenny I didn't say except for you So so he'd always say you can't be a right wing and funny and I disagree with tom kenny But I disagreed because this is why I disagree even though i'm not right wing Is comedy's based on fear and I was once watching boxing which i'm not into with these very successful comedy writers And one of them it was it was so sick and he goes the black guys They they have everything they have the big dicks and they get the women and they beat us up and it's so a lot of people It's fear-based and and like though, you know, I mean so a lot of comedians are fear-based And fear is they're gonna take us things are gonna you know what I mean? So that's why I think you love the right wing I have a smile like you I think of the word tenants is um Fear and it's like oh, you know, I mean does that make sense when I agree with you like let's let's say Hate I think that hate is what makes comedy so funny and who's more hateful than a trump's or their fear-based You know like trump is funny. I disagree. No, but trump is pretty fun But when you know i'm saying that they're they're fear of uh, they're gonna get us, you know They're gonna take our stuff. They're gonna beat us up You know, I'm like gilbert would do bits like oh a jew and a black guy in an elevator And then black guy gets off. You know what I mean? I'm scared. It's a jew. You know, I hear that So it's funny, but it's more like based on that kind of fear of the taking our money beating us up, you know He started with gilbert. What was he like when he started out? ah probably The least likely guy you think would be married with two kids But um and the most beautiful wife and the most beautiful kids. Did you know him before he started doing the voice? Yeah, he Oh, he didn't have that voice originally. No, no, he was he would annihilate a room where I I I couldn't go up I go. I'm just doing stupid jokes. He would do He yeah, he did a a a a lot of that stuff The most You know, he was on the gene dominion set in life because he would just do It was almost I almost think maybe sct re-ripped it off because like humphrey bogard is woody allen and this sc tv did that stuff and gilbert would do jerry seinfeld talking to david bruh or gavin mcleod talking to uh Tony who's that guy? jamie lee curtis, uh How you doing gavin? How you doing tony or woody allen his taxi driver? So he did brilliant annihilated, you know, I mean Brilliant, you know, I'm not too good with thesaurus were brilliant a lot But then he became that guy enacting and screaming, you know, I when I did stand up I was pathologically shy and my persona because who I was my head would be down And I'd make nooses with the mic stand because I couldn't look at them that became my character for a while Was it real or put on it was real. I I was pathologically trying to go ahead. Go ahead So gilbert, I think can't look at the audience. So really sorry Closing his eyes and waving his arms, you know, so I think it came out of I will tell you as long as we're talking about bodily functions. Okay Alex brazil no relation to mark brazil Took me to see gilbert at carolines about a year ago And I didn't know how funny gilbert was going to be live That's I had the same thing right as a kid. I knew him as the guy from problem child I knew him as this character act you see all the time and you see standing like, oh my god You thought he was just going to do like a you know, just a cheap character version. He's a fucking genius He would depress me Actually, not that it was envious, but I go What am I doing? Like it was just it was yes, and he's a hang on for one second So I just want to share this because it's irrelevant and self-indulgent at one point I started to laugh so hard remember I said dana. Yeah This is what feels like to be entered Every orifice opened up I I I said, oh my god I almost shit myself Thank god I'm regular and I take care of myself and I'm a vegetarian because I would have just emptied everything into My pants. That's how I had I never understood What what they meant by oh, I laughed so hard. I shit myself until I saw gilbert godfrey Yeah, I was like that as a kid with jenny Rich jenny. Yeah I you know it's a 12 13. He was a genius. You know something was 10 years ago. Rich jenny was Amazing, but there's this faction that thought he was hacky. You know, I don't get that at all. I don't either I'll tell you what that close your computer. I was just seeing what time it is. Um the faction with jenny They were the purists who didn't like robin In that jenny knew how to take a premise that was kind of in the ether And then get every piece of meat off the bone On a premise that Going that appeared to be kind of generic But that was his genius. He was he was accessible Not hacky. No, he was I used to open for rich. I was very close to him And I once slept over. I was locked out of my house in brooklyn. I lived there and uh, yeah in canarsia somewhere He was he was a kind kind man So brilliant so funny And very anal. He was just I would write with him And he didn't do a volume business. He would fixate and just keep fixing I said he was the up polar opposite of warren thomas So warren would be riffing and and you think right down you just said do that on stage. What did I say? Rich would do things like uh, if you're not using I don't mean stealing but like right Can I do something with that I could put that he was a shark when it gets a shark. Yes He was an amazing writer and to the point where like you would catch him if you really knew his act You would catch him slipping written things into like interviews Which a lot of people did but like you could just see like this that's where he was comfortable He was comfortable saying things that he knew he was ready for bruce smirnoff Has the greatest story about his wake That I have to ask him to tell next week Okay, tell bruce, you know, thank you. Does he know he knows about the as he asked for another meal What does he know about bruce murnoff knows about the seinfeld episode? I brought him into audition for kenny banya. I thought give him a shot And he came in and the problem sometimes is that um, you I we were we larry david wasn't looking for bruce smirnoff the guy who got it was great steve hightner He goes, I didn't get to be me Someone else was better being me than me an irish guy with muscles But how could larry not love bruce murnoff because I think he was trying too hard to bruce up his bruseness When we weren't look we get gonna keep seeing we when they weren't looking for seinfeld Bruce is one of the funniest people in the world But as you know, some of the funniest people don't translate to acting. What about his one man's show? Great The funniest, right? I had yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the thing with the nazis and He had to follow a nazi. Did you have a falling out with bruce? No, why are you saying that? I just want to make sure I'm going with your your thing about how funny his one-man show was No, I again, I think when steve hightner auditioned for banya He wasn't going I studied bruce murnoff. He brought this annoying, you know, you know, the kenny banya character It was pretty good what steve hightner did back a lot. Yeah. Yeah, so They weren't looking for bruce murnoff is what i'm saying even though was based on him Larry loved what steve hightner brought to it He was it was a very like consummate seinfeld character the way he did banya, right, you know, there's that Seinfeld was one of the shows that just had such a recognizable tone That he really did hit that I could see how you know, right bruce murnoff was the it's like a vandy kenner Who's funny? Even though what i'm saying i'm just being stupid, but kenner's funny, but you know That is not as a definitive seinfeld. You know i'm saying yeah persona. So you're back in new york for how long till friday When did you get here? crazy late saturday night the plane was delayed four hours and um I got here saturday and uh, did you see pearl? No, she's in florida Good for her. We're in florida coconut creek. Do you know what that is? I don't know why I know coconut creek. Oh, it's near for lord of dale There's definitely a wrestler who as a child was introduced as being from coconut creek florida That's yeah, we if you're lucky we get to go to two jays It's a jewish deli place you go down and visitor I i'm due let's just say uh, not as much as You would think I would but uh from all this stuff, but i'm due i i i had to do this trip Actually, I got a new cat. So when I talk, what's his name? I you know, I got a cat that was already named. So i'm keeping it as luna. She's funny. I like luna I at first I unfairly compared it to mitchell not the imaginary son but the mitchell the cat And now I fallen in love and i'm very fortunate because I got a great cat sitter who's staying at my place Do you think it's healthy for humans to give human names to cats? I don't I think you give a cat like a name like bingo I actually agree with that because I named my cat angela Because I was mad that my friend named his dog stacy And I thought that would somehow get back at him. Oh, and I'm an idiot because it was he's like, oh, that's cute angela And i'm like, well that was a complete waste of time The ultimate revenge my ex-wife Is the kindest person in the world She's the oh an animal lover. You have a lot of animals. Yeah, except to me. She's the kindest person Her one vice was we would name an animal and she would give it a horrible nickname That was abusive if we had a cat that was named ginger and The cat was fat and we would call it fatty We had a dog named ugly stinky She was kind to all animals is kind to all animals except for that way Well, I dated this woman who would say she had six cats and she goes I know swatis f at You don't have to spell fat the cat doesn't know And even if it did, you know, I mean if I could spell Oh man relaxing, isn't it? Yes, David. Um, we're gonna wrap it up Yes, yes time to go Well, this guy You're real cool at first. I was nervous. Oh, thank you You know, but I I'm not just saying this but I didn't know you did the triumph writing some of the best writing Yes, it is some of the uh Yeah, and I I I didn't felt no, I used to see triumph on Obviously conan did he do oh, he said laughing like like he's cracking up before he even does a triumph Like it seems that's not a put on that's because a lot of times he hasn't read it until he's about to say it No, that's not a put on. Oh, I still know he's part of his persona. Not at all. I've seen it because I love it Can I real quick just say one of the happiest moments of my life? And this is you have to send right after getting fired from snl So I'm in a very vulnerable state and I'm it's my first day on set with triumph We're actually see the dog and I'm gonna guess you felt so good that you cracked Robert's Michael up Well, it's not well. Yes, but the the joke it's the way that like I'm watching him like a hawk And he's about he's starting to do the shtick and I see him reading through the paper And he just stops and starts laughing to himself And then collects himself and and then I and I hear it's the first time I'm hearing one of my jokes But isn't that a brilliant happy accident that that it looks like it's something he's deliberately doing for the you know I'm saying like Look at the weight scale It's because there's so many writers that he doesn't he may have read it once and forgot about it And then he's reading for the first time and it was my it was a joke. We didn't even use it was in the whole Journalist see now. Uh, now it's a negative for me because I thought it's a brilliant Tick he came up with can try. No, he's just unprofessional Tom that's great what you guys have done. I miss black wolf. Oh, what a great guy. What a What an interesting man. What wait, we may miss him. He's glad we we haven't done a show in a while You worried me. Absolutely. What happened? Well, all right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Oh, what's the name? I Ripped up my I ripped up your intro. Let me plug your this was a lot of fun. It's great. Thank you so much It's like being back in LA. Yeah, but without Steven Allen green I'm gonna see George Calphi tomorrow. I used to bump into him when I tell him I said hello and billard kowsky I don't know if you know that what's Calphi doing You know, he's so happy. We'll talk afterwards. He's so happy to be out of the madness. Yeah He was a sweet man is he still is hey my Seinfeld. You're author Fred Stoller as a new book It's a kindle single. It's all about his young comedian special and his special friends So pick it up on kindle. It's called five minutes pick it up on amazon Pick it up on amazon pick it up five minutes to kill. It's $1.99 I mean you could blow that kind of money On uber a kid in an imaginary son, you know or in the you know, so spend the money On thank you so much. Thank you Dave Cyrus. How do people follow you on twitter? Oh, you got a Dave Cyrus. That's like virus sir us and uh, or just you know YouTube brick stone if you want to just see a bunch of the crap I've done I'll never talked about that. Yeah, it's not a big deal. We should talk about that someday. Thank you guys Very fun