 So the topic today is, is Jesus peace be upon him, God? This is a very big topic, obviously. Is there support for the Christian belief in the Bible even, if he's God? The Qur'an is very clear about this issue, as you know. The Qur'an is unambiguous in its assessment of Christian doctrine. In Surah number 5, ayah number 17, the Qur'an tells us, that it is a statement of those who disbelieve, it is a statement of those who blaspheme, who say that Allah SWT, that God glorified and exalted His He, is the Messiah, is Isa AS. And maybe a lot of people don't know this, a lot of Christians were not familiar or whatever, atheists or agnostic or Jews don't know this, but Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah, right? He's al-Masih. Now that doesn't mean what it means in Christianity, and we can maybe talk about that as well, maybe in future shows, but that's also an important topic related to Islamic Christology. But the point of today is, what does the Bible say about the divinity of the so-called divinity of Jesus the Messiah? So the Qur'an is clear that Jesus is not God. Okay, Jesus is not divine in any way. No human being is divine. Muslims don't believe in the incarnation of the Logos or the Son of God. Muslims don't believe that God essentially killed himself for the sins of humanity. All of these things are absolutely repudiated in the Qur'an. No human being is God, no prophet. It's not just Isa AS. The Prophet Ibrahim AS is not God, he's a servant of God. The Prophet Nuh AS, the Prophet Musa AS, the Prophet Muhammad SWT is a servant of God. Now he's the greatest creation, the Prophet SWT is the greatest of creation, but he's still created, he's from the Machluqat. Okay, but Allah SWT is the Khalif, he is the Creator. Okay, and the Creator does not come and dwell within his creation. Okay, so that has to be made very, very clear. When we say, there is no deity, there's nothing worthy of worship except Allah SWT. Then who is Allah SWT? He is the God of Isa AS. Okay, so in the Qur'an Isa AS is quoted as saying, Inna Allahu Rabbi Wa Rabbun Fa'budu, Haada Surat al-Mustaqeen. Right? Indeed Allah, which is, you know, Allah is the Arabic name for God. Okay? And Arabic is a Semitic language. All of the Semitic languages, the word for God in all of the Semitic languages is some variation of Al Alif Lam or Alif Lamid. It's like in the Hebrew Bible, you find A'il or Elohim, right? In Aramaic you find Allah, in Arabic you find Ilah, you find Allah, right? So this is the name of God in Arabic. This is the God of Abraham. So Isa AS according to the Qur'an says, Indeed Allah is my Lord and your Lord, worship him. This is the straight path. Okay? And of course the Qur'an says, Say he is God, the one and only. Okay, he is Ahad. So this is very important too that God is one, right? And the Qur'an here is confirming because the Qur'an says that it's a Musaddik to some degree. The Qur'an is confirming primarily the theology of the Torah of Musa AS. So the Ahkam can change over time because the Ahkam have to they have to sort of be updated according to the society as it were, right? So it's a progressive revelation in that sense. But theology cannot change because theology is based on God and God is immutable. Allah cannot change, right? Allah is the same. Allah is pre-eternal and eternal. Okay? So what you might have is sort of a sharper or more refined way of speaking about God but God cannot fundamentally change only our understandings of God, of God changes. So in the Torah then, in Deuteronomy chapter 6 verse 4, right? What do we find? We find the famous Shema. Shema Israel Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad, Hero Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is Ehad. And the word in Hebrew in Deuteronomy, right? The fifth book of the Torah as it exists today, that word is Ehad. And Ehad means one. Okay? Now interestingly, in the Gospel of Mark, according to Mark, he actually quotes the Shema, Hero Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Okay? So if, if, if Jesus peace be upon him, if Jesus was sent by God essentially himself to teach the Trinity, then why is he quoting the Shema here? Without any type of caveat. Without, you know, God is one. Okay. But he's also three. There's nothing like that from him. He stops. God is one. And then what does he do? He keeps quoting Deuteronomy. And you shall love the Lord thy God with thy heart, soul and strength. The love your neighbor is yourself. He's quoting the Torah. The Quran says that Isa alaihi salam said, Musad di qalima bayna yadaya mina Torah. That Isa alaihi salam, he's confirming the theological aspect of the Torah. If he was sent by God, again, essentially sent by himself, right? That's the Trinity. That the father is a different person, but it is the essential saying being as if he was sent here by his father to teach the Trinity, then why is he not teaching the Trinity? Why isn't he teaching that he's going to die for the sins of humanity? These ideas, now Christians will sort of point to certain things in the gospel. And so Jesus is teaching, you know, that he's going to die for your sins over here. But this doesn't make sense historically. Okay. So we have to be discerning when it comes to the four Gospels from a historical standpoint. If you ask Christians, where does Jesus claim to be God in the four Gospels? It's nowhere clear, first of all. I want to make that very clear. Nowhere in any gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or John, does Isa alaihi salam, according to these books, ever claim to be God in a very clear, unambiguous way. Okay. But Christians, they still point to certain things and say, oh, he's claiming to be, but where are these things? Nine times out of 10, they're in the gospel of John. Right. The fourth gospel, the gospel of John, according to consensus of historians was written around 90 of the common era by an anonymous person. And, you know, in the gospel of John, Jesus says, for example, the father and I are one. Now, there's a way of understanding that statement from a unitarian way, but Christians say, no, no, here he's claiming to be God. The father and I are one. So this is a divine claim, according to the Christians. Right. Okay. Let's humor the Christians. Okay. He's claiming to be God here. Jesus is claiming to be God in John 1030. The father and I are one. The gospel of John was written in 90 or 95, maybe 100 of the common era, but Matthew, Mark, and Luke, all Christians agree. Matthew, Mark, and Luke was written before John. So Matthew, who's supposed to be a disciple of Jesus, and Mark, who's supposed to be a student of Peter, who's a disciple of Jesus, and Luke, who's supposed to be Paul's traveling buddy. Right. Why didn't they record this statement? John 1030, the father and I are one. If Jesus is walking around claiming to be God, and John, you know, is the only one that picks these claims up, why didn't Matthew record that statement? Luke says at the beginning of his gospel that he has a perfect understanding of Jesus. This is what he says. Read the beginning of Luke's gospel. It's called the preamble. Right. He says having perfect understanding of these things. I decided to write an orderly account to you. Oh, your excellency Theophilus. See, the gospel of Luke is actually a letter that he's writing to some man named Theophilus. And he claims to have a perfect understanding. Yet Luke, 100% of these divine claims that Jesus makes in John's gospel, Luke does not record. So what does that tell you? Neither does Matthew or Mark. So what does that tell you? Either Matthew, Mark and Luke heard Jesus, heard that Jesus had made these statements. They heard that Jesus had made these statements, but they rejected them. Okay. Or they knew that Jesus made these statements, but for some reason they didn't record them, which makes them terrible recorders. If you want to convince someone that a man was God and he's making divine claims, but you don't record them, then what are you doing? How can you have a perfect understanding? Are these inspired words of God? That's horrible journalism. Okay. So this is what the Quran is doing then, just to wrap up the opening comments here, is that the Quran is restoring the true theology. So you have Jewish theology, which believes in the Tawheed of God. Now Judaism obviously has some problems, but they got their essential theology correct. God is one, right? The Christians come along and they give sort of lip service to the oneness of God that they say there's a trinity. So then the Quran is revealed to restore the true theology. And God is Ahad, So the Quran here is confirming what? Deuteronomy 6-4 and Mark 12-29. But then the Quran continues, So the Quran is clarifying, right? God did not beget, nor was he begotten, right? God did not generate another person who is essentially equal to him, nor was he generated from another person essentially equal to him. So this verse, this short surah of four ayat, called Ikhlas in the Quran, so that's a Tawheed. It's called Al-Assas. There's different names of this surah. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, he said, He called it Qulhu al-Bahu Ahad. This surah in four verses confirms Jewish theology, the Tawheed of God, and repudiates the trinity, this divine sonship idea. Thank you very much, Dr. Bisiar, for giving me good advice, as well as telling me the whole story. Most of you, Alhamdulillah, are listening to the English. First of all, from the perspective of the Quran, as well as from what they said, the Quran clarifies that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is a messiah. He is a messiah who has been created and the service that I offer to you is never a Quran that clarifies God even in different ways, when you don't recite it, it's better. Because I don't think any Muslim would accept that Jesus came because of our great sacrifice that the people's sins would be forgiven. Because God is fair. God doesn't have the intention to sacrifice a person and come to the people's sins to be forgiven. Everyone has their own actions. This was the case. From the perspective of Torah, as well as the way Dr. Bisiar said, God tells me that God is not human, and God doesn't tell lies. This is also in education, in the number of people, in the service that I offer to you. That the first time, the second time, the second time, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is not human. God doesn't tell lies. God doesn't waste his thoughts. If God tells me that I am one, the people don't tell me that I am two. This is the truth. After the case that I offer to you in Anaji, I would like to say that Dr. Bisiar said that I never say that I am God or that I am not. But if some Christians say that in the place of my presence I am one, I am one. This is my path. This is my path to God. As we know, Dr. Bisiar in Surah Nisa, Ayah 8, in the Holy Quran, for the first time, for the first time, I would like to say that I am not the one who is one. This is not the truth that God has not done with God. That is an idea that is passed on. And this is an important issue. But it's very interesting that you said that in the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam I am one. There are 6 signs when Issa goes to the audience and says that I am one. I am with you. I am with you. So I will be with you. God willing, you will be with me. I will be with you. It is very interesting to see that when you say that I am with God, it is not a matter of God. It is a chapter chapter 3 chapter 28 in Margo. The Prophet Jesus said that every sin that a person has to suffer is a sin. Every sin that a person has to suffer is a sin. Even if you do not accept me. If you do not accept me, we will talk. But do not respect the spirit of God. Because if you respect the spirit of God, then God will not forgive you. We see that if we talk about God here, God will forgive us. We see that there is no possibility for us to be a sin. Because if we were a sin, God will forgive us. God will forgive us. But the spirit of God will not forgive us. We see that in this book there are many, many verses. There are many chapters that say that all these things that are mentioned in these days, are not real. Unfortunately, it has become very different and it is very important for us to serve it. Now, as you know, the last chapter of Mark has been published. Or in the past years, in the past years, in the books, but if we talk about the Qur'an, we see that the Qur'an is not the Qur'an that was written in the last chapter. It is not the Qur'an that was written in the last chapter. But if you know about it, many of the Qur'an authors have written it. There were no people who were different and they should have written it in the past. I would like to remind you that you will find in the past that what they have written in the past is not written in the past. Even with the fact that the Qur'an does not have a point. Without a point, they should have written it in the past. In any case, as I said, we will just talk about it. You can watch our phone on the white TV. If you have any questions, you can comment on it. You have 510, 736, 7976, 0976. If you have any questions, I would like to say that there were no other questions in the last chapter of the Qur'an that you have written in the last chapter. But I would like to say that we have these suggestions. For some people, the Qur'an says that in the past it was written in the past in the past. For example, the Qur'an says that in the past, the Qur'an was called Torah, Angel and Qur'an. Then they say that if the Torah is written in the past in the past, why are some of them changed? If God does not allow the Qur'an to be written in the past. This is also a question that the Qaharan and the Islamists say that it is a policy. Because none of the things that Jesus said in these books are just a policy. Why do you think that it is a policy that does not have the ability to do anything? You eat, you go, you do everything, God is great. If you say that God is alive in the spirit of Salim, it is a little bit of a comfort for the majority of Christians in terms of policies, they are policies in Islam. If you give me a summary of the Qur'an in the past, I will read it. We are here to serve our community. We are here to serve you. If you are Muslim, if you are Christian, if you are atheist, whatever you are, if you have questions about what we are talking about today, please call us 510-736-0976 What is very interesting is a lot of times Christians just assume that what is written in the four Gospels are the words of Jesus. It is just an assumption that they make. We have to ask the question from who wrote these four Gospels. In the Gospels it says that Jesus would go to a certain place and he would teach the Gospel. He would teach the Inju. What is he teaching? Does he have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John with him when he is teaching the Gospel? No. Those things were written after. You are reading this in Matthew that Jesus would go somewhere and teach the Gospel. He certainly does not have the Gospel of Matthew with him. Nobody believes that he had Matthew, Mark, Luke and John with him. What is he actually teaching? He is teaching the actual message that he is receiving from Allah SWT. So C.S. Lewis had this interesting way of with the Christian philosopher this interesting way of dealing with or trying to convert people. He would say, look, Jesus was either a liar, the Lord or a lunatic. Because he is taking it as fact that whatever the New Testament says is accurate. Whatever the Gospels say Jesus said is accurate. That is his premise. So in the Gospels Jesus is claiming to be God according to C.S. Lewis. He wants to pigeon hold us into a corner and say, look, this is what Jesus said. He claimed to be God. So is he lying? Is he a liar? Okay. Maybe he is a liar. Maybe he is a lunatic. We got it. We got it. Okay. I don't understand. What does the Quran and Muslim theologians and exegers have to say refuting this point? That is my question. All right. Thank you very much. We are going to answer you very soon, inshallah. Very, very good question. Very educated question. I like this question. And I will explain the terminology that was used by the caller inshallah. But just to go back to what I was saying before is that Christians like C.S. Lewis they assume that the four Gospels accurately record the words of the historical Jesus and that Jesus actually claimed to be God. So you have three choices they say. He's either lying when he claimed to be God or he's a lunatic because a lot of people that are out of their mind they claim to be God or he's the Lord. But from a Muslim perspective it's none of the above. He wasn't a liar. He's a prophet of God. He mentioned in the Quran and Muslims love him as a prophet of God. He's not a lunatic. A lot of people that were prophets they were called insane by their people, by the kafirun and he's certainly not Lord because he was a human being and Christians who worship Jesus are in 100% breach of the theology that was taught by Mousa alaihi salam. It is totally antithetical. I mean it destroys the theological basis of Judaism. It's kind of a weird contradiction in Christianity. Christians will always say, oh our belief is grounded in the Old Testament. Our belief is grounded in the Tanakh. Grounded in the Tanakh. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi. So Judaism is our mother religion and Christianity is sort of this natural or organic child of Judaism. But then you can ask these same people who are saying this why did the Jews pick up stones in John chapter 8 to stone Jesus? Maybe they didn't like what he was saying and they said no no no Jesus here is claiming to be God. You can't have it both ways. Is the basis of your religion Judaism? Because if that's true then Jesus would not claim to be God. There's a big contradiction here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you're wrong and Jesus is in that prophetic line that goes back to Moses. Or this is a completely different theology. But don't tell me you're grounded in the Old Testament. You're grounded in the Tanakh. You're grounded in the theology of Bani Israel. The Jews don't believe in the trinity. They don't believe God became a man. They don't believe God died for your sins. They don't believe God has a literal son. None of these things are found in Judaism. These are things that Christian theologians have invented. The caller has an interesting question about Christianity. Christians worship a triune God. That means a God that has three aspects. The term that Christians use, three persons of God, but one essence of God this kind of same substance. All three persons share one being. What do Muslims theologians have to say about this? There's no basis for such a belief. This belief really comes from the Greek philosophers of the first and second century that converted to Christianity. A lot of these beliefs actually come from Greek philosophy. This idea of the logos, the one the perfect level of being begets a son this son is called the logos or the first born son of God. These things predate Christianity. Philo of Alexandria who's a Jewish philosopher who was highly influenced by Greek metaphysics was talking about these things even before Christianity. So what happened was the early Christians who believed in Paul's Gospel they began to apply these concepts, these Greek concepts not Jewish concepts these Greek concepts to their understanding of the Gospel of Jesus. That is Paul's Gospel. So now you have vicarious atonement. God coming down or God sending his son as a savior to come down into human flesh and kill himself for the sins of humanity. This is not a Jewish idea. This is antithetical to Judaism. Human sacrifice is completely contradictory is totally condemned in the Old Testament. Human sacrifice. But this is the basis of Christianity. Where does this come from? This doesn't come from Judaism. It comes from the paganism. It comes from these mystery religions that were so prevalent in that area around the Mediterranean. This is where the early Hellenistic or Paul line Christians took this belief from. The Quran is telling us don't say three and notice here, it doesn't say trinity it says three because some Christians believe in the trinity, three persons some Christians used to say that there's three gods, they were tritheistic there's this idea of there's one god but three sort of particulars anything to do with three just let it go the Quran God is one if God was three then why is he so shy about telling us that there's a trinity in the Old or New Testaments This is a very important example as you said it's not the Jewish religion it's from Greece from Greece in the early 2000s It's really amazing that these things that they said have changed and they have changed the names and the names of the doctors as you know as far as you know even the names have not changed even before it's changed it has this tendency to change the names it has this tendency and this it has changed and another interesting thing is that the language is Greek so it has an effect because in the old days it didn't exist in Greece it didn't exist in Greece it should be in its own language or in the Hebrew language it should be in its own language in the Greek language it was Greek but in the old days as far as I know Konstantin and Dr. Baran they say that one day after you you saw that I will tell you of course they are sick God willing it has a effect on the body and the soul because we know unfortunately it doesn't have a problem that two people are suffering of course it doesn't matter but the one who says God's name the one who says God's name in his book God's name has a effect on the body it doesn't have a problem God willing it has a effect but we see the problem of the Catholic and the Roman Konstantin they were against the Romans and the Jews they decided to kill the Christians so it is better for them to be the Romans to come with the people and to be the Christians and to solve this problem God's name God's name but the one who says God's name I said if God's name God's name if God's power I would have said God's name God's power of course I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man I am a man And I would like to point out that there are more than 5,000 different sources of information in the history of the Gospel. There is no difference between each and every one of them. But if we go anywhere, we will publish the Koran so that every Asian, African, American, European country has the same Korans. We can't make a difference. Even the religions that are in Islam have the same Korans. The question I asked you was very good. But if you are a doctor, then it's because you are in isolation. Because you talk a lot with these elders about the way you are in service, the debates and the interfaiths. When they say that these three are the same, how can we prove that they are the same? Yeah, it's a very good question. So the trinity you have to understand, we have to do some studies in history. It's very, very important to study history. And in our tradition, in the Islamic tradition, one should not accept any type of creedal statement or theology uncritical. It's actually impermissible to do that. This is called theological taqlid in Arabic. In other words, I believe in this because somebody told me to believe in it. And if I ask you, well, why do you believe in it? You say, I don't know. He said, believe in it, I believe in it. No, you have to explain why do you believe in something. You shouldn't blindly follow any type of creedal statement. So I think the vast majority of Christians, if you ask them, why do you believe in the trinity, they would say instinctively, well, it happens to be in the Bible. And so we'd ask them, well, where is it in the Bible? Give me the book chapter in verse. Where does it talk about the explicit doctrine of the trinity? And they say, oh, over here, Jesus is called the Son. And then he refers to someone called the Father. And then at the baptism, there's something called the Holy Spirit. Well, those are just three names of different entities. That's not the doctrine of the trinity. Those are actually Hebrew terms. Like in the Old Testament, the Jews metaphorically figuratively refer to God as the Father. This is Majaz in Arabic. It's called figurative language. It's not meant to be literal. And then if you look in the Old Testament, God says to King David, you are my son, not his literal son. This is a term of endearment. Again, this is figurative. It's Majaz. It's takrini. It's for honour, for honouring the servant. And if you look in the Old Testament, you have something called Ruach Khodosh, a spirit of holiness. So these are Jewish concepts. But what I'm asking is the doctrine of the trinity, that Father, Son, Holy Spirit are essentially the same being but three different persons. There is no such verse. There is no such teaching anywhere. So Christians, they have to really stop accepting these things uncritically. Where does this come from? The trinity did not become official Church doctrine until 381 of the Common Era. Okay, that was the second Ecumenical Council. So the first Ecumenical Council, again, do some research on this. The Council of Nicaea, 324 of the Common Era. As you mentioned, Constantine, the first Christian Emperor presided over this Council. And they voted. It's a very democratic process. Let's vote. Is Jesus, you know, is he equal to God or is he not equal to God? That was a debate. Okay, this is what they're going to vote on. So 300 years after the ascension of Isa A.S., you have a bunch of Christian bishops sitting in a room in Turkey. Okay, Christian bishops voting on whether Jesus was God or not. Okay, so if the Scripture was clear that he's God, then why are they having this debate 300 years later? Obviously, the Scripture is not clear about this. Right? That's why you have different Christian denominations. So at Nicaea, they voted. And lo and behold, at the end of the debate, Athanasius won the debate. Arius lost the debate. And, you know, the Son of God officially became God the Son. Right? By vote. But then what about the Holy Spirit? Because the Council of Nicaea did not deal with the Holy Spirit. That wasn't until 381. So now you have 350 years after the ascension of Isa A.S., where the Christian bishops voted again at the Council of Constance in Opal and 381 of the Common Era. And they came to the conclusion, oh, of course, indeed the Holy Spirit is also God. Okay? But it's not three gods, it's one God. This is what they say. We believe in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. The Father is a person. The Son is a person. The Holy Spirit is a person. But they're not three persons as one person. They're not three gods as one God. Why are they going there? Why even go there? Right? So the problem is that the text is not clear. You have basically the early Christian movement, which was a Jewish sect of believers in Jesus that were hijacked by Paul, the Pauline Nazarenes, and then they were influenced by Greco-Roman, metaphysics, and different beliefs that were outside of Judaism. Okay? So these are the sort of historical things that led to the Trinity. Now, if you go back into the Gospels, if you ask a Christian, for example, is Jesus God? And the Christian will say, yes, Jesus is God. And you say, well, God is all-knowing, right? You believe God is all-knowing? And the Christian will say, oh, yeah, of course. He has these omni attributes. They're called omni, like all-knowing, omniscient. God is omniscient. So we say, okay, Jesus is God. God is all-knowing. Therefore, Jesus is all-knowing, right? Yes, of course. Jesus is all-knowing. That's the argument. That's the logic. That's how the argument flows. Jesus must be all-knowing. So, okay, so Jesus knows everything. Yes, of course, Jesus knows everything. Okay, in Mark chapter 11, Jesus did not know when fig trees were out of season. How can God not know when fig trees? I mean, if you study... What's the science? Botany? I don't know. Some biology or something, I don't know. If you study some science, you can actually get to know, you know, quite easily, when fig trees are in and out of season. But apparently, the Lord of the universe, who created the fig tree, doesn't know, has no idea when fig trees are in and out of season. In the Gospel of Matthew 24-36, Jesus is reported to have said of that day, the day of judgment or the day of his return, knoweth no man, no, not the angels in heaven, not even the Son, but only the Father. Okay? Well, I thought the Son, I thought the Son of God was the second person of a Trinity who was pre-eternally be gotten from the Father's essence who has all of these omni attributes. Okay? So, Jesus admits here, as the Son of God, Christians, they like to say, oh, oh, oh, see Jesus is also human. He's 100% human. So, as a human, he doesn't know. But Jesus, no, listen to what he says in Matthew 24-36, not even the Son. He doesn't say not even, you know, not even Jesus or not even the human incarnation or something. No, he says the Son of God, the Son of God is supposed to be the pre-eternally be gotten all knowing God. The Son doesn't know something. The Son doesn't know the day of judgment. Okay? So, clearly here, there is an essential difference between the Father and the Son. It's not just a difference in, you know, role or office that the Christians will say, no, you know, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, it just means like different degrees of authority. So, for example, if you go to your job, you have, you know, the CFO, he's like the Father. And then you have, you know, the manager underneath him, that's like the Son. And then you have, I don't know, the staff accountant, I don't know, who's like the Holy Spirit, but they're all human beings, right? They're all the same essence, but they have three different roles. No, we already established that God must have omniscience to be God. It's a qualitative attribute of God, of God's essence. The Son of God is supposed to be God, fully God. Yet, the Son of God in the Gospel of Matthew does not know something. That means he is not the God, or he's another God who's not as great as the God. Okay? But again, Christians want to have it both ways. They want to say, no, Jesus is God, but there's only one God. You can't have it both ways. Either there's two gods, or Jesus is not God. Okay? And you mentioned also on the cross, right? According to Mark and Matthew. Of course, Luke doesn't mention this because it's a little bit embarrassing, right? Jesus is supposed to be God. He's supposed to know everything, and he's on the cross, and he says, My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me? In other words, why did you forget about me? Why did you ignore me? Why did you throw me away? Why is this happening to me? Is this how God speaks to himself? Is this supposed to be the Son of God, or God, what's going on here? So Luke, again, Luke is supposed to have perfect understanding. This is what Luke's claim is. People sometimes they don't read the beginning of the Gospels. At the beginning of Luke, he says, I have a perfect understanding of the things that happen to Jesus. And Luke does not mention this. If you go to Luke's Gospel, at the crucifixion scene, the last words of Jesus are not What are the last words of Jesus? He says, Father, into your hands I commend my spirit. Those are his last words. So he is contradicting very clearly Matthew and Mark. So which Gospel do you want to follow? They both can't be right. In the Gospel of John, Jesus' final words are, it is finished, right? And in the Gospel of John, he's crucified on a different day than Matthew, Mark and Luke. So who's right? John or Matthew, Mark and Luke? They both cannot be right. You can't have it both ways. Unless you believe Jesus was crucified twice. Do you believe Jesus was crucified twice? No, of course you don't. So which one is it? Thank you. In my opinion, one of the things that Dr. Gocton said, as I said earlier, you can understand it better. It's amazing that the conversation has become a constant. It's been 325 years since this question. 325 years. I would like to say to you that you should read Barterman's books. They themselves are from the Christian Christian who are now, I don't know if it's a good time or a bad time, but I think it's from religion. In fact, after 325 years, after Jesus, during the time of Constantine, they took his hand. It's very interesting. As you can see, they take his hand and say, for example, who is the president? For example, who is the president of California? We take his hand. They take God's hand. They say, let's take Jesus's hand and say, let's take his hand and say, there are two of them. One of them is 20 to 70 people, 30 to 90 people who are living there. They take his hand and say, he's enthroned, he gotothun and wanted to take his hand, but God did it. The interesting thing is considering this age is 200 years, as you said, We have been traveling for three years. One comes here and the other comes here. Three of them are dead ice cream. You have two of them. The third one is what they say. This is the same thing in the 1980s. After that, in the 20th century, around 50 years later, the oil industry was closed. And the oil industry was also closed. They took the money back. They gave the money back to the people. It was a very interesting story. In 1941, in the 40th century, they said that it was the wife of Mary. We have God. We have God's son, God's father. We have God's mother. God's mother. We went there and our husband is God's mother. Three years later, they found out that we mentioned that God raised the salt. We said that God raised the salt. We said that God raised the salt. Now what? People have doubts. When you see a tree, it doesn't have a root. The doctor says that he wants to work, he doesn't want to work, he doesn't want to work either. Once you see a tree in that age, it means that you don't see a tree in Zemistan. In Tabestan, they say that God doesn't know what is going on. He doesn't know what is going on. Then, God loves you. The doctor says that he loves you. When you see a tree in Zemistan, it doesn't have a root. The tree is made by God. God knows what is going on. You don't want to work either. When you see God, you don't want to work either. The tree is made by God. I said that the doctor gave a piece of advice and he didn't talk anymore. I mean, look, I mean look. Look, don't say it, look doesn't say. and the words in the morning. The words say that they don't say that let's see how it goes. First, in the Salih Baha'i, we said different words. First, in the four after the Zor, the day of the Jome this is an interesting sentence. They say the Zor is four after the Zor. God has completed the Salih Baha'i. All of the Anajis say three nights of the day after the Zor, God has come. They ask me what is the message they say that three nights of the day after the Zor, the day of the Mahi I also want three nights of the day after the Zor. Three nights of the day. From the four after the Zor, the day of the Jome they say God has come four after the Zor the day after the Zor. God surprises me. One night before the Zor I got up. God gives me a better life. Three nights of the day. He doesn't even bother to do that. Then the Salih Baha'i one of them says two people were locked in the side of the Isala Islam. They say they are saying what happened to this son? It's 100% human. He wants to help now. God is the one who says one of the killers of the past that you will go to hell and you will be with me tonight. If God is here and you say to me God is if God is here all these issues are all in the form of love. If you open these books you will see the earth and the heavens. If you don't read these books you will see a museum or a park a big library. Those of you who came here you will see the park and you will see the museum. You will see it. You will see it. You will see it. You will see it. You will see it. You will see it. I don't want to read this. Whoevercker it is they should read it. These persons who read it at least 2 lines early don't know that what we have been giving for the past year are these dark things. We get into these issues about Konstantin and those who The question that came up was, what should be done in the year 1054? There were two major parts of Christianity. One in the city, one in Greece, and one in the west, in the Catholic Church. If you were to come up with a small piece of Martin Luther, you should know that Martin Luther was named after him. There was a chance that he was named William Tendel. If you were to come up with a small piece of Martin Luther, you should know that. There are some differences between the two here, the Eastern Orthodox. They do not accept the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church to have any type of abilities or powers, what's known as ex-cathedra powers over a regular bishop. And then in the 16th century, you have what's known as a Protestant Reformation, which rebelled against the Roman Catholic Church. The spearhead or the leap-eater of the Protestant Reformation was a man named Martin Luther. Martin Luther himself was a Roman Catholic priest who had major issues with the Roman Catholic Church. He said that the Roman Catholic Church by that time was a totally corrupt system that was exploiting people, that was getting rich off people, lying to people. He had his famous 95 theses as they're called. 95 different issues that he had with the Roman Catholic Church. He wrote them all down, he nailed them to the door of a church in Germany, Wittenberg, Germany. And he basically is the founder or the pioneer of the Protestant movement, which rejects the authority of the Roman Catholic Church and takes more of what's known as a scripture-only approach. They reject the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church and they simply follow the Bible. But the unfortunate news for the Protestants is that they still believe in the Trinity. So a lot of the Catholic baggage, they've retained like the first seven ecumenical councils. And you've mentioned some of them, the Council of Nicaea, Jesus as God, the Council of Constantinople, the Holy Spirit as God, the Council of Ephesus, Mary is the mother of God, the Council of Calcedon, Jesus is 100% man, he's 100% God. The first seven councils are accepted by the Protestant Christians. They also accept Athanasius' list of his New Testament canon, the 27 books of the New Testament. But what's interesting about Martin Luther is that Martin Luther really, really did not like the Jews. He was vehemently anti-Jewish. And his favorite character from the New Testament, not surprisingly, was Paul. And of course Paul says in his letter to the Thessalonians, first Thessalonians chapter 2, verse 14 and 15, Paul says, he says about the Jews that they killed the Lord Jesus. So the Jews are Christ killers. They're guilty of Deoside. Deoside means killing God, which is a very strange concept. What kind of all-powerful God is killed by the Jews? Very strange, or any people for that matter. But anyway, apparently, according to Christianity, the Jews killed God because this is what Paul was saying. If they killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, they please not God, and are contrary to all men. This is what Paul says. Paul himself is a Jew, by the way. According to his own writings, he's a Benjaminite Pharisee. The book of Acts tells us, written by Luke, that he was a student of Gamaliel, who was a great rabbi in the first century. This is very, very dubious. It cannot be supported by anything. But anyway, Martin Luther's great inspiration was, in fact, Paul. And Martin Luther wrote a book very late in his life. Again, this is the founder of Protestant Christianity. So if you go to a Episcopalian church, you go to a Baptist church, you go to a Lutheran church, you go to like a Calvinist church, all of these Protestant denominations, they all flowed from Martin Luther. And Martin Luther wrote a book called On the Jews and Their Lies. Okay, and this is, again, later in his life. It's not something he wrote earlier than he recanted. One of his final books. And in this book, he actually... Because here's the thing, people read the Quran. They say, oh, the Quran is anti-Semitic. The Quran hates Jews. Muslims all hate Jews. Read Christian sources. Read 1 Thessalonians. Read the Gospel of Matthew. Read Martin Luther. On the Jews and Their Lies. He says, they're all snakes. We should burn down the synagogue. They're killers of the Lord Jesus. We should exile them from our cities. So this was the founder of the Protestant... And of course, they say, Jesus says in Matthew, By their fruits, you shall know them. You shall know the false prophets by their fruits. And these are the fruits of Paul, this type of thing. So then you have Hitler, whose heroes were Friedrich Nietzsche and Martin Luther. And this led to his developing an ideology, which actually became the Third Reich in Nazi Germany. So it's very important for us to study the history of these things. And so you have these three broad groups of Christians. And then, as I said, you have many, many different splinter groups from them. But one thing that seems to unite them generally is belief in the Trinity. So Eastern Orthodox believe in the Trinity with Jesus as God. The Roman Catholics believe in the Trinity. The Protestants believe in the Trinity. You have Jehovah's Witnesses who are Unitarian. They don't believe in the Trinity. They're not considered to be Christians. By any of those Christian groups, the three broad groups I mentioned, you have Mormons who are polytheistic. Mormons are not monotheists. They believe in millions of gods. They believe that you can also be a god. So they're also rejected by these sort of mainstream, Trinitarian Christians. So again, I highly encourage people out there to study the history of Christianity, study the history of religion in general, and compare it to the history of the Quran, of Islam. The oldest complete version of the Old Testament is 1500 years removed. The oldest complete version of the Torah, the first five books of Moses, is removed from Musa by 1500 years. 1500 years. The oldest complete New Testament is dated to the fourth century. Fourth century. If you go into museums in Turkey, you'll find manuscripts of the Quran that are dated to the time of Uthman, within the range of 10-15 years to the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam. And as you said, the Quran that the people at that time were reciting is exactly the same as the Quran that they were hearing, because these are all companions of the Prophet. These are ear and eye witnesses of the Prophet, thousands of them. Hearing the Quran every single day recited to them. Whereas Isa A.S., he never saw Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He never even heard of these things. Musa A.S., according to historians, he never saw the book of Genesis or Exodus or Leviticus. These things were written much later by consensus of historians. So it's important for us to study these things critically. It's very interesting, Dr. A.S., that not only did Isa A.S. say that he is God, but even in the case that if he talked about the heavenly God, he never thought that if he said that he is God's servant, that he really is God's servant. As you know, in the past, even in the time of the Jews, those people who were familiar with the heavenly God, they were called God's servants or God's servants. So this was the book of Genesis. When Isa A.S. says, for example, I am God's servant, what is the meaning of this? It's very interesting that Dr. A.S. says, He says, He says, He says, He says, He says, He says, He says, I am God's servant, I am God's servant, I am not God's servant, I am God's servant, I said to you, I said to you, You want to kill me, They were talking here, He says, Abraham, How did he not do this? He said to the people of Israel, Jews, Abraham did not do anything. He said, When you do this, We will take your true father away. The book of Genesis was about Satan. He said, You are Satan, Your father is Satan. Then they get angry, People say, We are not forbidden. Our true father is God. Our true father is God's son. The Jews themselves say, He is the real father. You know, For example, We should be here. Jesus said to the people of Israel, If you had loved me, If you think that your real father is God, Then I would have loved you. Why? Because I came from the life of God. God's servant, God's servant, He came to the restaurant. I myself did not come. He said, I am not a servant, He said to the people of Israel, You said, He said to the people of Israel, I am God. God's servant is a fool. He is a fool. He is really God. So he said, I am not a servant. God has chosen me before you. You who continue your life, God loves you. I have chosen God, I came before you. Why? Why can't you follow me? I think that the person of God, He was the person of God, He was the police. He was the police. He was the police. He said, Why can't you follow me? He said, I don't want you to follow me. I don't want you to follow me. Now, God is really amazing. Everyone who is God's father, or the Jews say, Everyone who is God's father, He loves God with pleasure. Because if you don't love him, you will not be God's servant. So the Jews are not God's servants. If you say, I am God's servant, God is really amazing. The police says, I am the father of the soul of your land. The police says, You don't kill anyone in the land. You have a father. He is our father. Two days on the contrary. In the past, I was a police officer. I told you, that Jesus Christ is dead. If the angels come, God himself comes. Even I told you, I told you, I told you, It's all over. So this is a person, who took this Christianity. The one you found, who was actually a worker in Israel. He was not a worker. The one you found, who was actually from Ben-Yamin. He was very Jewish. And this person, when he became a Christian, he became a Christian. He became a Christian. He took this medicine, and gave it to him. Then I took the land, and I told him, it's all over. God told me, it's really amazing. If you really live in the life of the police, because we own the land, why don't you know that? You know, God is with us. He speaks to us. We have a lot of opportunities. God said, why don't you take our hands from our heads? Why don't you let us work? Who are you? I'm God. Come on, I really love God. I am also allowed to, I tell you, help you. You see, a little thing, comes from God's charity. The music you said, for example, in, in, in the letter of Angel Thomas, he is present, he is present, he wasn't in any of the grave ceremony, he was present in many of the events that he had, he was not in any of the events, and this, the desire, he says, if at that time, at that time he wasn't Muslim, if Jesus Christ, their eyes, they saw that, God knows, God has killed him and swore to His name, The police are very funny. They say, if people say, if God didn't kill Salib, if he didn't live, we would be liars. We are liars. Why do they talk like this? If someone else is lying, the police wouldn't have seen it. And then they say, these words that James and his brother Issa and Peter are talking about, they don't believe me. I have told you many times. Why don't you understand? Father, we have talked about this. But you came again and said, no, it's not like that. Who knows? It's clear that they are all liars. And we know that there are people who are liars. We have a brother Benihina, he comes to these churches, there are 800,000 people in these churches. They are all liars. They are all liars. It's a very funny story. One day, in one of these pictures of Benihina, there was a small boy who was 6 years old. He was a boy, he was 6 years old. He was a boy who was 6 years old. He was a boy who was 6 years old. They called him Benihina. He was a boy who was 6 years old. He asked, look at him, what does he do with this boy? He said, what happened? He said, brother that he was 6 years old. Look at this boy that he is 6 years old! He is a little weaker. He is 6 years old. He says, come here, get out of here. He is 10 years old. This boy is very old. I have read some stories. He was a very young boy. I went there. in the middle of the sea. The guy who was talking to this guy was talking to him. He went to the scene. He told us about it. He said, I was a child of 60 years old and I told you about it. He said, it's a good thing. He said, it's completely God blind. God's blessing. Jesus Christ. He was a person with a lot of money. He was a person with a lot of money. He was a complete man. We are still seeing it. He'sending this with money. He told us that we are not young. But now as part of the shrimps hello I want you to accept. For God's sake finish this you will never be able to underground kirl isão. You don't go in there. Would you like to know if the doctor would已经 They don't respond to this, they don't understand why there is no God in you. So this is Madrak. And then they prove it very clearly. Surah Ikhwazman. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. At that time, our television line is still open, if anyone has a question, they are our servants. I will tell you that I have a question or another, they are also willing to die, from this year. This is also very interesting, because Christian people are still there. If we know God, we know that God only knows how to die. Yes, they may die and live, but they are also God. But they pretend that even in your Qur'an, they say they are dead. No, your Qur'an also said that Christian people are still alive. Now, you are also willing to live with this. Is there anyone else who has heard about this in his book? Or for example, this was the case? Yes, so it's an interesting question. The Qur'an does mention some of the miracles attributed to the Prophet Isa, the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. And one of the things it mentions, and this is in agreement with some of the material in the New Testament Gospels, that he could heal people, he could heal the lepers, he could heal the blind. The Qur'an even says, quoting, That I can quicken the dead or I can raise the dead by the permission of God. So that's the key, by the permission of God. So nobody has any intrinsic ability to do anything independently. Everything is through the power and will of God. The Christian says, Jesus is God, that's how we can raise the dead. If you read the Gospel of John, for example, he raises Lazarus from the dead. But read John 11 carefully, because whoever wrote John tells us exactly what Jesus said. I don't know how he knew this, maybe it was revealed to him somehow, but it doesn't help the Christian case when we actually read John 11. His Father, I thank you for hearing my prayer. So he's praying to the Father, again, this does not mean literal Father, it doesn't mean that he's the literal begotten Son of God. When Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke taught his people, the Jews how to pray, he said, pray like this, he's not teaching his disciples, he's telling the Jews, Abundabashma, our Father who art in heaven. Again, this is metaphorical language. This is not meant to be taken literal. Father ab in Aramaic means rub in Arabic. It means the one who takes care of you, who raises you, who provides for you, who loves you. That's what that means. So what was the point? Oh yeah, so raising that, sorry, I lost my train of thought. Raising the dead. So he says, Father, I thank you for hearing my prayer. So he prayed to God. That actually is the John 11.41. John 11.41 exactly when he raised Lazarus. So Jesus says in John, I can't of my own self do nothing. Nothing. I can't of my own self do nothing. What does that mean? He can't do anything. Exactly what he said. I can't do anything by myself. The words you hear are not mine, but the one who sent me. Okay. So we would confirm that. And if you look in the Old Testament, you have prophets performing miracles. The Prophet Eliyahu, the Prophet Elijah. Remember, he raised the widow's son. The widow's son who had died. She went to Elijah. Oh, help me, help me. I think it's in the book of 2 Kings or 1 Kings. And he goes and he stretches himself, right? 2 Kings, he stretches himself over the boy's body and the boy is resurrected. Is Elijah God? Do you worship Elijah because he resurrected? No, this is by the permission of Allah SWT. And here's the thing also, even Jesus in the New Testament, he says, Beware of false prophets in Christ who shall perform great miracles to deceit even the very elect. So even false prophets can perform miracles. So how do you know a true prophet from a false prophet? By their fruits you shall know them. By their fruits you shall know them. And again, if you look at the fruits of some of these early figures in the Pauline church, including Paul himself, I mean, what does Paul do? Paul goes and evangelizes, as you mentioned. He goes to Galatia. He goes to Corinth and goes to places like that. And he's preaching this gospel there. And his gospel is fundamentally opposed to what's something he calls another gospel, another Jesus. And if you read the traditional commentaries on the Angolians and 1 Corinthians, they tell us that Paul's opponents are other Christians. They're Jamesonian Christians. They're Christians that are sent by James, Jewish Christians, that Paul has fundamental differences of opinion with. So Paul, as you said, he has his vision on the way to Damascus. He doesn't talk about this, by the way. Luke tells us this in three places. And all three stories are contradictory, by the way. Three narrations, three tellings of the same story, all of them contradictory. Paul doesn't mention this in any of his genuine letters, right? But apparently Jesus appears to, the resurrected Jesus appears to Paul, right? And then Paul goes to these different cities and starts to evangelize what he believes is a gospel he's receiving directly from Jesus, he says. He says, I receive this from no man, but only through a revelation of Jesus. And then he's preaching this gospel that is fundamentally opposed to what other disciples in Jerusalem are teaching. So what does that tell you about Paul's gospel? This is not the gospel. This is something else. And that was not Jesus who encountered him on the road to Damascus. Because why is he now antagonizing real disciples of Jesus? I mean, read what he says in Galatians, you know, he calls Peter and Barnabas. These are hypocrites. You know, James Peter, these are so-called pillars, right? These are people of a circumcision. I wish they would just let the knife slip and, you know, and emasculate themselves completely. You know, forget about the foreskin, just cut off their genitals. These are the way he talks about disciples of Jesus. It's very strange. When he says circumcision, there are dangerous dogs or something like that. So even disrespect. But, you know, for every situation, the situation was very good. But as you said, the people of the living are dead for the sake of the past three years. As you said, to God's permission in the Syrian Peninsula, I think it's a miracle. It's a miracle that God has been able to save the lives of the dead for the sake of the past three years. But as you said, in the four seasons, even the people of Islam say that it's a miracle to live. It's a miracle that people say. As I said, if you believe in God, you will live a life of death. Even those who were buried in the ground were dead for four days. There is no doubt about that. But if you believe in God, you will see strange things from God. Why don't you see me? If I don't believe in God, you will see strange things from God. But it's a miracle that God has made all the people happy. If you believe in God, you will see a person who is doing something. If you believe in God, you will always be praying for the people. You will pray for God that once you see these people, you will prove to them that you and I are living a life of death. It's a miracle that we are talking about the life of the dead. The name of the dead is mentioned in the Quran. He was a special respect for God. His name is Fesheh Al-Makr. He was a simple man. As you said, he was a person who wanted to live a life of death. But he even committed suicide once. I don't have time for that. Let me tell you that he is a woman. Let me tell you that he is a woman. He committed suicide. He committed suicide. He committed suicide. If you believe in God, you will see a person who is living a life of death. He would say to go out of the cave. He would be very comfortable there. He would create a huge hole in the jungle for 2 people. He would kill 44 of these 6-year-old children. He would kill them all. He would do that. He would wipe out all the missing children. And he is a God. And he is the Prophet of Islam. So those who see all these stories, I think the answer to them is in their own book. We don't even agree on that. As I said, we don't agree on that. For example, he says in his book, if you are not the Holy Spirit, you are not important. You see the end of the story that every person who is involved or the son of God, or God himself. Now you are saying to the world that the world of business is a lie. The world of business is a lie. The world of business is a lie. We say that the world of business is the son of God. I mean, I was a rich man one day. I'm sorry, they were rich. They were talking. I said, well, you were a rich man. Yes, that's right. That's right. I said, well, he says, God came to kill him. I said, no, nothing will happen to him. He said, God's son. I said, the book will be released. He said, he was surprised. He said, I wasn't rich. I mean, God came to kill me. In any case, there is no news from that group. There is no news from that group. There are news from the sadists. The sadists of the few million gods. God is the Son of God. God is the Son of the sadists. We have some Sadists in the parliament. We have some Sadists in the parliament. We have some Sadists in the parliament. For the sake of their own purpose. They say God has many women. Many women. The different types of women. One of the women of God came from the world. 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