 Yes, hello, everyone. Nice to see you. Well, not see you, but nice to have you join us today. So I'm Richard Williams and I'm a senior lecturer in the music department here. And I'm going to run through two programmes because I'm also the co-convener of Creative Arts. So we have lots of different students come to us with many different interests. Some are very interested in music. And so we offer two different degree programmes for those students. One is music and where you combine music with another subject. And then the other one is creative arts and cultural industries, which includes all of our music modules. But if you are here and you're thinking, I'm not particularly musical, I'm just interested in the creative arts. Don't panic because, as you'll see, there's a lot of breadth in the creative arts and cultural industries degree. So while there is a pathway through it for those of you who are interested in music, you know, we have people working on film, history of art and other aspects of the cultural industries as well. So very happy to answer any questions, but otherwise I'll just get started and share a few things with you. So I don't know if you've been to Siras before, we're situated in the heart of London and we're surrounded by museums, galleries and the British libraries around the corner and so on. The key thing about us, of course, is that we focus on specific regions. So we're interested in Asia, Africa and the Middle East and their diasporas. And in fact, when I say specific regions, that's a lot. That's that's most of the world. But nonetheless, this is actually quite unusual, as I'm sure you're aware. You know, unfortunately, a lot of university degree programs in the UK focus dominantly on Europe and the North America and really take them as their starting point. And we do the opposite. We do talk occasionally about Europe and North America. But on the whole, our priority is the rest of the world. And we try to have a very global perspective. We are a relatively small university but surrounded by one of the largest cultural cities in in the world. And that's a very nice balance to have what I particularly like about Siras personally is compared to other universities in London. It's small, it feels intimate. It feels like a village in the heart of a very big place. And our students really enjoy that as well. They get to know us, the teaching staff very well and they get to know each other really well as well. And it's also very international university. It's worth saying we're about 50 percent international students. We also have lots of mature students as well because a lot of people discover Siras slightly later in life. And so the conversations in the class are always really exciting because you'll have perspectives from Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Peru, Japan. And so the conversations can be really, really interesting. And also just to say, historically, we're also very invested in languages. Our range of non-European languages is really, really exciting. And we have many students who arrive to do musical creative arts and then say, oh, well, I want to study Swahili. I want to study Hindi. I want to study Korean. And we find ways to accommodate those students. I work primarily on music and literature and visual art. And I use four Indian languages and I dabble with another couple. So languages are really at the heart of many of our programmes. But today I want, as I said earlier, our focus is music and the creative arts and cultural industries. This is just an image from our main music room. And you'll see all of what not all some of our instruments up around the walls on the background. So if you do come to Siras, we your you would have your a lot of your classes in here where we have Indian tabla on the top. Maybe you can see my mouse. We have Korean guy gum. And in this instant, this is a class for Cora from West Africa. But let's dive straight into the degree programme. So the next bit is going to be a little detailed. But hopefully it will be a good opportunity for you to get a sense of what you would actually be studying here. So I'm going to move back and forth between the two degrees. B.A. music and is and I don't say this lightly. It is unique compared to other music degrees around the world. It's completely unique because our focus is on the world beyond Europe. We offer courses that you just will not find anywhere else. We have courses on music and politics in Cuba, popular music of East Asia, Morocco, South Asia, all kinds of things. What's also quite important is that we have a range of different musical styles that we are interested in. So some of those styles are traditional and historical folk music and so on. But also we go right up to contemporary artists, experimental artists, sound artists and so on. We also have a balance between courses that are about the history, the context, the culture of music. But then we also have modules that are about performance. And we also offer training courses in industry facing skills. So that's things like sound recording, podcasting, filmmaking and so on. And these are really important skills. And we've just renovated all of our recording studios. So we have state of the art tech in place. And I think what's really exciting about our program is just the variety. So you'll be moving between different classes, looking at music from the perspective of anthropology, history, composition, the music business, sound studies and so on. Just to give you a taste of the kinds of music that we are interested in, these are two of our performance instructors. So we invite musicians from various traditions to teach our students. And so all of our first year students rotate between different instruments, including the Chora and the Tabla. So just to give you a taste of Chora, this is our teacher, Kajali Koyate, who would be teaching you in first year and potentially afterwards in your degree. Let's give it a taste of the Chora. Yes, safe to say a lot of our students fall in love with Chora while studying it here. It's a really beautiful instrument and we've got a large collection as you've seen already. And then next is Sanju Sahai, who's from a really important lineage of hereditary musicians who are specialists in the art of Tabla. And so he teaches Tabla again to our first year students. And what's really exciting about having these artists as part of our faculty is that they have their own networks. And so in the past, some students have worked with Sanju throughout their degree and then have gone to India with him to take part in his workshops that he runs in India and so on. And so you start off in the classroom at Sahai, but could end up traveling the world following musical sounds. This is a quotation from Tomani Diabate, who you may well know of. He's a multi Grammy award winning musician from Mali. And he's an honorary doctor from Sahai. And he said, the music department at Sahai is the most exciting place in Europe to learn about the great musical traditions from around the world. And we're very proud of our collaborations with master musicians like Tomani Diabate. So the second degree, which many of you will be tuning in for is the BA Creative Arts and Cultural Industries. And there is overlap between these degrees, but the emphasis is slightly different. So this program offers a balance between the sort of hard humanities, disciplines of critical, theoretically rich engagement with different art forms, but also an industry facing perspective, one that looks at the cultural industries and prepares our students for fascinating careers in the art sector. What's really exciting about this program is that it's really interdisciplinary and it's very cross cultural. So you move across different regions, we also move across different art forms, covering art history, music, film and cultural theory, literary theory and so on. It's a really exciting program from that point of view, because it just did you so much variety within that, you will have some students who are there primarily for music that are interested in other things. You have others who are more interested in a region so you have we have students who really connect with, say, Chinese arts. So they might look at Chinese music, Chinese film, Chinese ceramics, Chinese painting and weave their way through looking at lots of different forms and really building up expertise. It's a nice program because it offers this combination of theory and practice. And we have lots of different skills on the table. So these include radio, the art of curating, we look at film festivals and musical performance. And what this is achieved because we have a range of facilities on site. So we have a really important gallery space, the Brunei Gallery, which which changes their exhibition sort of every three months. We also have filmmakers on site, people who do graphic novels are attached to SOAS, we have really interesting alumni coming in. We run workshops with industry professionals all the time. So it's a very good place to sort of connect up to all of the interesting things that are going on around in London. So, for example, our students who take the course presenting world music on radio have in the past gone to BBC Broadcasting House and used the facilities, the recording studios in the BBC offices as part of as part of their course. And of course, needless to say, it's really exciting to be looking at global cultures in London, where we just have so many festivals and events and exhibitions taking place all around us. And so we find ways to connect our students up to all of the things that are going on in the city. So here's the nitty gritty bit. Here's the detail about what you would actually be studying. So I'm going to look at year one, first of all, and I'm going to look at BA Music and and then I'm going to look at creative arts and cultural industries on the next slide. So for BA Music and you would only only you would do four modules with us in your first year. So you would take writing across the arts, which which trains you up into academic skills, thinking about how one approaches talking about different art forms from music to film through writing, through the art of the essay, but also through other kinds of writing. You also take sounds and cultures, which is an introduction to studying society through music and sound. You take decolonising pop, k-pop and beyond. This is something I teach and we ask questions like why are people in Argentina getting really excited about South Korean popular music? So we take k-pop, the k-pop phenomenon as our starting point to ask larger questions about global popular music. So in the past, we've had topics like pop music of Tibet, hip hop in South Sudan, music in Zimbabwe, South Africa, but also India and we take lots of different case studies, but we use k-pop as our starting point and then performance one. So for first year performance, you would alternate between different instruments, kind of open your ears up to different sounds and different approaches to learning music. So our students this year are doing Kora, which you've heard, Tabla, which you've heard, Gamelan. So we've got two Gamelan sets in this image. You can see one of them. So this is from a tuned percussion orchestra from Southeast Asia. And this year we're also including Iranian sun tour, so Persian classical music. So in your first year, you've got a very, very exciting program, mixture of sort of society, aesthetics, musical performance. And then you would team this up with four modules from your second subject. So in particular, we get lots of students who do music and social anthropology, music and world philosophy. Music in Korean is very popular, but we've got a whole range of different combinations available. So it's a very nice way to get expertise in a region or to have a spread of skills. So if you're doing creative arts and cultural industries, you have eight courses because you'll remember for music, it's half and half, so you have four and four. So here you have eight. Some of those are the same. So writing across the arts is there, sounds and cultures is there, the colonizing pop is there, but you bring in some art history, so theories of art and histories of art related to Asian Africa. You also have some film. There's this fantastic module introduction to film language, history and theory. It's really, really interesting. So that introduces you to film studies, which connects up very nicely with music or art history for those of your strengths. And then we give you two options. So here, if you are musically inclined, you can do performance. If you're more art history inclined, you can do some global arts, which is art history modules, or you can bring in a language so you could be studying Hindi or Arabic or Chinese at this point as well. OK, I am giving you a lot of detail. So if you're confused about any of this, please put a question in the chat and I can respond. I'll keep my eyes open. So that's year one. And then I'm just going to quickly touch on years two and three. So for year two in music, you keep performance either something from your first year or you develop a new instrument, we set you up with music teachers from any instrumental genre, basically within reason, from our areas of interest. You also have a theoretical module, which introduces you to cultural theory. And then you get guided options. So these are our music options, things like the world of Cuban music, global hip hop. We have courses on East Asia, Middle East, South Asia. We also have skills like introduction to sound recording, the music business is very popular. So a whole range of really unique options. And in year three, it's similar. So the options rotate year to year. So you always have a set of new things that you might do. But your two compulsory courses, one is urban soundscapes, which talks about understanding the city through sound, music and people's experience of sound. And one on music and travel, which looks at global flows and circulations of musical forms. I'm not going to touch on these in too much detail, but more information is, of course, available on the website about these different modules. We're updating them at the moment because some of these modules, like music and travel, are new. And so we're updating our pages at the moment. But you can refer back to the recording if you want to check what the structures look like. So for creative arts and cultural industries, it's quite different. You have all of those music options available to you so you can bring them in and still make it a very music degree. But some of you may not be that interested in music. You may be curious about musical society or how people think about sound, or how artists are using sound, but it may not be your immediate point of reference, in which case this degree has that flexibility. So in year two, what you're doing is you're looking at, again, key concepts and cultural theory, so you get your theory there. But then you look at curating global arts and arts, cultural commodification, which which look at different aspects of how the cultural industries work, sometimes quite big kind of theories about how we end up with particular kinds of arts being put into galleries, being put on display and other art forms don't necessarily make it into the public eye. We look at how you would go about designing an exhibition on Chinese painting or an album or music from Mali. What are the actual decisions that go into curating an art form from a particular region? And then also we have film festivals and film curating, which is a nice follow on from your first year where you're also looking at film. Sorry, I'm losing my voice. There we go. And then you also have more guided options from art history as well as from music. So these include things like topics in Japanese art, contemporary art, art of the Islamic world, and then also some more industry facing courses like collecting and collections, which again, thinks through some of the the large debates around how collections are formed. At the moment, there's this big move called decolonising the museum. And we've got a number of academics who are really interested in that and looking at about whether objects that have arrived in well, that arrived in London, having been looted or taken in colonial contexts, whether what the politics and the logistics are surrounding, surrounding, returning those objects to other regions, how that works within the museum sector and also open options. So here you can take something from a language to another option that is offered around SOAS in a different department potentially. And in year three, you have a lot of choice. So year three, you do an independent study project, which is effectively like a dissertation. Some students will will write a dissertation and they will write a long essay on a topic that they're particularly interested in. And this is very good training if you want to go into research. Other people will do a creative output. So in the past, we've had students who have who were musical and so recorded an EP and then wrote a critical piece about the decision making process behind creating that EP and how they were going to market it. And so we had one student whose EP is now up on Spotify. And she did that work as part of her independent study project. We you could also potentially do another kind of creative output, including podcasting, making a film, curating a project like an exhibition or a festival. And alongside this, we also offer modules where you can create things. So we will have a module called creative practice which could be including composition or podcasting, etc. We also have a module which we haven't run in the last year because of covid, of course, but we have a work placement module, which is called Directed Study in Creative Industries, where we would team you up with one of our industry partners and you could basically do an internship there for a term and get academic credit for doing that. Again, happy to discuss that more if people are interested. But throughout the degree, we offer a range of creative assessments. Students do video essays, audio essays, creative critical pieces. They design festivals, exhibitions. They do go on gallery tours. They do fieldwork projects. There's a whole range of different things that students are doing here. So who is teaching you? This is always a fun question. So just to give you a couple of insights on the music side, for example, we have Professor Lucy Duran, who is a specialist in the music of West Africa and an ardent devotee of the Chora, apart from anything else. But she also worked at the BBC for about 30 years, has lots of industry contacts, she did a radio documentary series called World Roots, which is all up on iPlayer. So if you go to iPlayer and BBC Sounds and look for World Roots, you will hear her amazing documentaries. I mean, she's really just traveled to most countries on this planet and listened to the music there. So she also produces award-winning albums and films as well as part of her research on the film side. We have also Professor Linda Wadovy, who is a curator of African cinema and set up some really significant film festivals for African filmmakers. And she's also interested in filmmaking herself. And in art history, we have people like Dr. Christian Luknitz, who works on the arts of Tibet and the Himalayas. And when he's not in so as he's usually somewhere in the Himalayas working with monks, helping them preserve and document their artwork in their monasteries. And then also he consults and advises them on setting up their own museums as well. So basically the point is, you know, we have people with regional expertise, linguistic expertise, expertise in particular musical forms, styles, art history forms, film, film genres, et cetera. But a lot of them are also practising in some very important and interesting ways. So what about you? What could you hope to get out of this degree or these degree programs? So what we hope our students leave with is a sense of the nuances of global art forms, a kind of rich, critical, theoretical perspective on things, but also applied skills, transferable skills, industry facing skills. And so we look to help our students enter the workplace and find some really interesting, fascinating career paths. They do this through things like the internship scheme, the work placement module, the contacts that they make on this program. And we have students who end up in all kinds of interesting areas of the arts. So on the music side, on the one hand, we've had quite a few graduates who have gone on to be nominated for the Mercury Prize and Nick Mulvey, who's one of them, well, said that he's studying at SOAS was the broadest horizon he could find in music. What's notable here is that these three artists are all sort of effectively in popular music there. So none of them have really decided to become a classical Indian music performer, etc. Instead, what it really, what SOAS really offered them was to just open their ears to so many different sounds, textures, possibilities, composition strategies, and they brought this into popular music in really interesting and experimental ways. But apart from performance, we also have people like McKelley, Bernal, who is now the lead curator for world and traditional music at the British Library, but other music graduates go on to work in education and research, music therapy, music management, editorial journalism, all kinds of different areas. And on the creative art side, we've had some very interesting students pass through our department, the School of Arts. So some of the School of Arts, more famous in them, I include Claire Su, the co-founder of the Asian Arts Archive, Victoria Chang, who set, who was the director of Vive Arts, which is a really pioneering group that's interested in virtual reality and how virtual reality connects up to new digital art forms. And Ava Langray, who is the artistic director of the Freeze Festival, Freeze London, major arts festival. So again, what's really nice about our alumni is, on the one hand, it's very encouraging and it suggests the kinds of exciting routes that our students can go down, but also we invite them back. We invite them in to connect up with our current students so that we can equip our students with an appreciation of what goes into a career in the cultural sector. So final, final thoughts then, you know, why study music and the creative arts and the cultural industries at SAAS? And again, I suppose this is something that a lot of people might question. They might think, well, it doesn't sound very sensible. It sounds very fun and very interesting. But is this a good move for for your own personal development? And well, obviously, I'm going to say yes, definitely. And our students don't really question this when they get here and discover the things that they're studying. I think just on a basic human level, these programs are about human creativity and they're about human innovation and what it is to be human. What what society and culture can do can achieve. And and yeah, this is quite fundamental. This is the point of being human in a way. There are kinds of wonderful things that we can design, listen to, create. But at the same time, you know, apart from the idealism, we give our students, you know, this critical faculty. They are real sense of how to interrogate, challenge, explore a topic and not be afraid of of something that they're unfamiliar with. I think also this is very important because there's this idea about not about about not generalising about things, having a nuanced perspective on the world. So on the one hand, these are valuable skills our students leave informed and prepared. I mean, where else are you going to have an understanding of what happens in South Sudan, what happens in in Egypt, what's happening in Indonesia and Cuba and all through music and the arts? And this is this is a really exciting opportunity to get a very global education. But it's also about getting representation right. So I remember a few years ago, we were talking to an artist who's been put on at the Tate, a major artist, Serena Bimji. And she was saying how often when she is being curated, including at big national institutions, people misidentify her work and they focus on her identity and they focus on where she comes from. But are they foreground that rather than actually talking about her art? And so she'll present a new exhibition and everyone will be talking about about who she is, but they won't be talking about what she has to say about colour, form, shape, texture. So we're interested in preparing our students to getting things right by understanding and appreciating artists and doing it respectfully. I think also this is a bit of a cliche, but it is a changing world out there. And a lot of the art forms we look at that we really appreciate and love are vulnerable. And so we look at how tradition is evolving and how traditions fit into into our world. So we look at things like heritage, preservation, sustainability. Many of our students do go on to work in places like NGOs and UNESCO and start thinking critically about how to preserve art forms. And this appreciation of how to preserve things or think about sustainability links up with the appreciation of the cultural industries, which is such a dynamic, huge, huge part of our economy. And it's a really important thing to be plugged into. And of course, we look at global arts in the digital age. What is happening to arts from Sudan or Korean art forms in a global connected digital age? And ultimately, I always say only at SOAS, just to really make the point that we do things here, our students write about things here that you just do not find in other places. And that's what really makes it so exciting. That's what gets us out of bed in the morning, the chance to learn and understand and appreciate things that you just wouldn't really have access to in in many places. So I will finish there. That is my email address. So if you are curious about any of this, please do drop me an email. If you're watching the recording again, I'm always happy to answer questions. So feel free. But for those of you who are in the call at the moment, I'm very happy to take any questions as well. So feel free to raise your hand or put them in the chat, whatever works. I think maybe one thing that we can kind of maybe have a bit of discussion about. And it was in some ways was praised by I hope I'm pronouncing this right, Sami, who said that she had actually attended the in-person open day that we've held already, but wasn't able to attend every single talk that she wanted to because there's quite a few talks she was interested in has come back today. So I think maybe that's one thing that we can kind of touch upon in that at SOAS, it's very interdisciplinary. You have your chosen discipline that maybe is your kind of primary focus. But it's one of the beauties of SOAS is that you are able to incorporate so many different areas in your studies in general and kind of broaden your field out a little bit. So maybe we can talk a bit more about kind of the various different options that we have and the kind of intersection and connection between so many of our programs. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So for example, you know, we have many students who are interested in in African studies and they will be scattered around in different degree programs in SIS and and they will take our modules on African music in order to deepen their understanding of African cultures and societies, be it East Africa or West Africa and so on. And the same goes the other way around. So our students who are really interested in East Asian art, for example, might take a module in Chinese philosophy, for example, to give them that depth and to look at culture from from a few different angles. We also I should have said this earlier. We also have a partnership with Kings College London and the music department there. So if you are on the music program in SOAS, you can take some options from Kings College London. So if you're saying, well, yeah, I love music from around the world, but I also really love jazz, you know, you can study jazz as well. We'll just send you to our friends at Kings. And similarly, we because our courses are so unique, we regularly have students popping in from LSE, from Kings, from UCL, taking our courses because they just can't find them anywhere else. And we also have a lot of international exchange students who are regularly popping into our classes again, because this is one of the only places in the world where you can take some of these exciting things. Oh, so I'm seeing. Yes, so actually my summaries question kind of goes to that point. So yes, if you are taking a different degree, say history, then you would have access to some of our modules. Yeah. So every year there's a list of these are called the open options list. So the open options list is a bank of modules that all departments offer to students all around SOAS. So some things like performance are only for music students, but then other things like Song, Voice and Body in Indian music, that would be something that would be offered more broadly. Great. Well, do feel free to pop any more questions into the chat. There's no such thing as a silly question. So we welcome all of the questions that you might have. It might be around particular modules or focuses of the program, but it could also just be to things like what kind of areas might you go on to after your program? Or even if you have questions about the application process, do feel free to pop them in and I'm happy to kind of go through that as well. It is a bit of a smaller group, so I know it kind of feels like we're putting you on the spot a little bit. But yeah, do feel free to ask anything that you would like. Otherwise, I'll just play some more Cora music just to fill up the silence. Well, people gather their thoughts. So we've got options. Yeah, let me play a little bit more just in case anyone wants to type anything. There we go. Good question. Lovely. So the question then is what do you look for in a personal statement for creative arts? Yeah. So for creative arts and cultural industries, we have a really varied mix of students. They're coming in with a very with a with a real mix of backgrounds behind them. So we're open about which subjects you've studied in the past. We want to see, you know, a kind of humanity style way of thinking about things. So if you've studied literature or history or music or fine or history of art or art or or anything, we're quite open geography, you know, these kinds of subjects are always welcome. But I suppose what we would be thinking about would be a passionate interest in some kind in in some of the arts that that we focus on. So that could be anything from music, painting, sculpture, film, TikTok videos, I mean, we're interested in in social media and digital art forms, all kinds of things, because, you know, there's so many to choose from. And then I suppose an interest in in our regions, I mean, what's really exciting about SAS as a student is it's an unusual choice. We're a very unusual choice. We shouldn't be, but we're unusual in the sense that we do look at things that other degree programs don't. So what that happened, what is the result of that is that all the students we get here are here for a reason. They're all here because they they feel frustrated that they can't find out about music in Africa or they don't know what's happening in contemporary arts in Asia and, you know, they they love K-pop, but they can't find courses that really talk about Korean music, Korean history, Korean culture. And so we we get students who come here who are really interesting and interested in in things from around the world. And so if you can just reflect a bit of that in your personal statement and sort of say, you know, I'm thinking of of of of of doing this course because I'm, you know, motivated by by an appreciation of an art form from the rest of the world, then that would be wonderful. Yeah, but we have very, very students. So there's no single template. Yeah, it's really about the passion of the students. I think that's that's what we hope for. Yeah. And I would add that, you know, a lot of students are always saying to me like, I want to put something in my personal statement that's going to grab attention and or I want to have done some great internship or some great work experience that's related to it, but I just don't have it. And I think for us it's it's about learning what's interested you. And that could be what media you've you've used or consumed, what you, you know, kind of where you get your influences from. It could be personal experience. There's so many different areas, so it's not a one size fits all. And I think a really great thing about a personal statement that I always kind of go back to is it's exactly that it's personal, it's personal to you. And so sometimes that desire to find that big kind of stand out statement, if you will, takes you away from kind of just thinking about yourself and your own interests and kind of where you might want to go. And maybe some questions that you have. We don't expect you to be able to answer all the questions on a certain subject, because if you did, you wouldn't need to come and learn it with us. But it's more just kind of what are the questions in your mind about this? And again, kind of going back to our regional faces, I think, you know, quite often you'll see at different institutions that maybe one particular year, there will be a focus or a fad almost in terms of looking at a particular particular region's music or a particular genre of music. And I think what the importance of it is so us is we see this as an ongoing focus that we have. And it kind of, you know, it carries on year after year after year. It's not something that just kind of pops up one year and then kind of is going to replace the next. So I think that's really interesting for you to kind of come and join us and take from our programs. Do feel free to pop any more questions here. We are sort of coming to the end now. But I think we have time for one or two more questions if you do want to pop them in, but obviously no pressure as well. As I say, it's a smaller group here. So sometimes it can seem like quite a lot to take in. Maybe one of the things I would say again about the kind of regional focus. And so I think we've kind of talked about it already is that the students who do come here, like you say, do come for a particular reason. And I would say that we have a very international student body. And I I kind of phrase that in terms of an international student body, both from outside of the UK, but also quite an international student body from within the UK, if that makes sense in that a lot of our students, you know, will have will come from a range of different backgrounds and heritage as well, and that kind of plays in on these kind of areas that we look at. So if you're minded to be with students from all around the world and really kind of immerse yourself in different perspectives, ideas, opinions, cultures, then that's really what you're going to get from SOAS. And quite often with that comes a lot of discussion. And the thing about SOAS students is they don't always have the same opinions. They don't always have the same perspective. They don't always have the same ideas. But they're very willing to share and learn from others and just learn what other people think and why they think it. They might still not go away, agree. But that's the whole process of kind of putting it out there. And I think that's something really unique to us and unique to our programmes as well. Absolutely. Yeah. OK, well, we'll probably wrap it up there, but we will be sending out the recording of this session to you to this week, usually. And then what I did want to pop into the chat just quickly for you is the events page of our website. So like you say, a couple of you have already been to maybe an in-person event and are now here at this online event will have lots of events coming up throughout the year. So I just thought I'd put the link there. And it is a good idea to come to as many of these type of events as you can, both with SOAS and possibly with other universities. It's a really good idea to explore all your university choices before you make your applications or your final decisions. And those students often think it's strange that I say that to them in terms of maybe go somewhere else and go to somebody else's open day and see what you think. I think for us, it's really important to have students who have seen what is out there for them and have decided that SOAS is the right fit rather than us being the only institution that you've heard from. But hopefully you will circle background to us afterwards. But yeah, I think it's a really good idea. And it's great that you've been to the in-person open days as well as the online ones. These online ones are great. And I think it makes it very university accessible for students both in the UK and outside of the UK. But SOAS is again, one of those universities where being on campus and having that experience is also quite vital. So I would say that if there is any chance of you getting down to the university, hopefully before you come and join us, then I would try and do that if I were you. And we do also run kind of off. We run on campus visits so you can kind of book into those as well through the same link that I've provided to you. So thank you all for attending. And thank you very much, Richard, for a great presentation and some lovely music as well. Thank you. Thank you, Kim. Thank you, everybody. Thanks, everyone. Bye. Hope to see you soon.