 In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness health and entertainment podcast. We answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners like you. By the way, if you wanna see the episode timestamped, go to Mind Pump Podcast.com. Hey, welcome if you're new. Let me give you the breakdown. We started by talking about Happy Baby Pose, that's Justin's favorite new workout pose. Hey. Then we talk about Grocery Store etiquette. We talk about the explosion in Pompeii thousands of years ago and the way people were frozen in space. Some compromising poses. I talk about baby touch and how that reduces pain. We talk about Joe Rogan and people trying to go on strike to prevent him from speaking his mind. Let Joe Rogan say things. I talked about an Instagram post on grass-fed beef that was totally wrong. By the way, one of our sponsors is Butcher Box. They deliver high quality grass-fed meats to your door at incredible prices. 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And I just, so I decided like in my own privacy of my own bedroom, there's like certain moves that mobility things, I would never do in the gym, ever. So I'm in there, on my bed, I'm doing happy baby. You guys familiar with that one? That's a good time. Right? Yeah. And you know what happy baby is? Yeah, yeah. You're on your, this is for the audience, you're on your back and you hook your legs. You literally grab your knees and pull them back, like you're just open. You're just open, you're very much open. I've never done it before, like this is like a couple of days ago, because like, I don't know, apparently I have like some phobia that somebody's gonna come by and just ram something in there. No, no, no. I don't know, like just, you know, you're so open to the world. So it's like, I was doing that at Courtney, just kind of the charge, she just stopped mid-track and was just like, what, and what are you doing? This wasn't like the speedo moment. She's like, huh. No, no, no, it was not, yeah, it wasn't my finest hour, but I got her to start doing it too. We both were like, wow, this feels so good. We were like, I can't believe we haven't done this before. Imagine Justin in that position. Oh, bro. Just blow an ass. Yeah, I tried to imagine Justin. I almost sucked in some air. And I, so, yeah, that was good. That's a good fart position, by the way. If you've got gas bubbles. Oh, totally. Yeah, you're getting a happy baby and just rock side to side a little bit. I think that's one of those we should like just have in the comfort of your own home, though. You don't want to kind of bring that out in public. It is a very, actually, it is an incredible stretch, though. You know, it is, it feels so good. You know, it's another one like that, is the Frogger. I think that one looks really... Oh, on the ground? Yeah, that is a little revealing. Yeah, that one looks just, I think that one might, because I feel like happy baby people have seen that. Like if you're familiar with yoga or anything like that, but the Frogger one is, that's very unique, dude. Not a lot of people have seen that or done that and doing that in the gym. Oh, you really like the floor. Yeah, it looks like it. It reminds me of people who are like, I have a gym crush, I don't know how to approach them. How do I get their attention? Do these two mobility moves. Can you imagine you're over in the stretching section like, hey, bro, be there a minute. Just grab my legs. Make noises while you're doing this kind of stuff. I got one for you guys. This weekend I was up in Truckee and apparently I just don't know grocery store etiquette yet, I thought I did. And they mark off like the distance things, right? And so my thought is six feet is the rule, right? So, and so do you guys, do you have you guys figured out like when it's appropriate for you to put your groceries up on the, on the track before the next person is done? Like, are you like- We have to wait for them to leave. Completely leave? Or is it like as a transition from the checking out to the bagging portion where they- I feel like I'm putting pressure on them to hurt. Yeah, if they're not done yet, I'm slamming it on there. So that's what I'm hustling them. My thought is this, as long as I'm six feet apart. So as they finish paying and they transition around to the other side and is, you know, getting their groceries bagged and put it in their cart, I can now make my way to the conveyor belt and start to put my stuff on there. Sure. But apparently that's not how it works. Did you get in trouble? Yeah, I did. I got scolded by this lady, right? But here's the funny part. She scolds me for doing that. And I'm like, oh, okay. And I kind of like look at him and then look back at her like kind of, you know, I didn't say it, but I was, you know, math, in my head I was saying that's seven, eight feet at least. I didn't say it out loud, but I'm like, okay. She grabs my stuff. Okay. As it's on there. And she scoots it back. No exaggeration, two inches. Yeah. You'd be like, well, now you've just contaminated my food lady. And she touched everything that you touched. She scoots it back two inches on the conveyor belt. Dude, the logic these days is just baffling me. You know what you should have done? This is what I would have done. I would, as she's talking to me, I would have caught, hold on. I was like, yeah, yeah. What'd you say? Well, then I finally get up there, right? And I go, so we were refilling the propane tank. And I go, I said, do you guys refill propane tanks here? Right. And she goes, yeah, did you, did you bring your tank? I said, yeah, I just sent my buddy out in the truck to go get it. She says, what? She goes, don't bring that in here. She goes, we consider that a bomb. And I'm like, a propane tank? Yes. And I'm like, this isn't Portland. Yeah. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I'll make sure to let him know that. So I'm like calling him on the phone. Like, hey, don't come in with the propane tank. Meet me outside. I'll be there in a minute. What? Why is it a bomb? A propane tank could potentially explode. Yeah. But don't they trade them? I thought they do, but they do it outside of the grocery store. Oh, don't bring it in the grocery store. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. It does make, I mean, it makes sense. But she like was just freaking out. She was on me from the very beginning. Well, people are up here right now. Yeah. Like anything is pretty scary. I'm like, it must be the end of your shift right now. Oh man. Must be time for you to go. How was the weather up there? Beautiful. Was it nice? Absolutely. Are you golfing more? I didn't golf this time. We were supposed to. And we actually canceled and ended up just kind of being lazy, dude. It ended up being a weekend where we just were, we relaxed. We went down to King's Beach, hung out at the beach for a little bit. And we actually did that twice and just chilled and just enjoyed. You know, the last two times I'd been up there, we didn't even really go outside much because it was so smoky still. So we didn't spend that much time outside where it was like clear skies. It was beautiful. We went miniature golfing. Oh, you did. Yeah, they opened them up around the golf lands. Golf land, huh? Yeah, so we did. We were inspired by Cobra Kai or what? I'm not gonna lie. That's exactly right. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Anyway, so we went and played game and my poor wife, she's really pregnant right now. She's ready to go and we're outside. So I don't know, by a whole six or whatever, she's just in the, she's finding shade and just sitting on the ground like this, just sitting there. And then it's like 12, you know, 45. And then, you know, the whole, the questions about lunch start coming up because she has to eat. She can't eat a lot. Every two hours, yes. So she's like, hey, what do you guys wanna do for lunch? And I'm like, babe, we're like on whole six. There's 18 holes, you know what I'm saying? Do you wanna go get you some french fries or something? I felt so bad for her. Now was she being a good sport and coming along or did she want to go do that originally? She wanted to. Yeah, she's a total good sport. So I have to kind of help her and keep an eye and say, hey, look, sit down. You need to relax a little bit. You're moving too much. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cause she's just trying to move a lot but you can't, you shouldn't. She's almost there. We're like a couple of weeks away. So is she getting even more hot now like towards? Oh dude, so her family comes to visit, right? So her brother, her sister-in-law and their kids come and they all come in the house and they're like, do you have a blanket? Like, do you guys have sweaters that we could borrow? And by the way, keep in mind, this weekend in San Jose, it was like 90 degrees outside but Jessica likes to keep the house at a brisk 67 degrees during the day. It's not even brisk. It's just like mild. Oh, that's comfortable. Yeah, that's like compromising. If we go up to 70, it's because the kids are, so they're all talking about putting on sweaters and stuff. It's like, she felt the pressure. Dude, it was so funny. We were like, so Courtney got the kids an educational book and we were kind of going through it and going through some statistics and stuff. And they're talking about, you know, old massive events that kind of changed the world and we were going over Pompeii and we're like thinking, you know, there's some really crazy pictures I remember vividly of people that had been calcified almost. They're like frozen suspended in time and we started to kind of go through Google and we're like going through these pictures and then we got through one. Don't tell me. The guy that was jerking off? He was jerking off. There's a guy like literally hunched over with his hand like this. That's real? Grabbing it. Yeah, apparently. I thought that was made up. And there was another one of a girl like on top of a guy straddling this guy just like frozen in time. And I'm like, that guy is a champion. You and your boys were going through this? Yeah. They're trying to ask me about us, like trying to hurry up, you know, through these pictures and what's he doing here? I'd explain like what was going on. The volcanic ash burned his... He was probably peeing in the sun this year. Yeah, right. Exactly. There's one of, I don't know, maybe it was Pompeii or something else where it was a look like two, they call it the two lovers. Oh yeah. And they're like embraced together. Well, that's what I was trying to, yeah. And then that just kind of came into vision and I had to explain. Dude, what a crazy, could you imagine that back then in that event? You know, you didn't have like the news, you didn't have, this is your world. And next thing you know, it's an atomic, you know, black, there you go. So, yeah. Right, right. And like, how did they know? Like, did they know? There's the guy right there too. He's like, I'm going out. I'm going out on my terms. Yeah, cause it's like, like they've obviously felt the earth, you know, rumbling and they felt all the stuff happening. Like, what was he doing? He's just like, I'm not, I can't leave. So obviously I'm going to go out like this. One more time. Yeah. You know what I'm curious about, Justin? How often do you have to have these as a dad conversations, like when you come across like this stuff, is that like a daily thing or is it a weekly thing? How often am I going to have conversations? You know what's interesting about that? I didn't think it would come up so frequently. Like as of late, it's one of those things like, we've been able to kind of weave in and out of things cause they haven't really been that curious. And now of a sudden it's like, the questions are getting more elaborate and they see things that we don't really see. Like cause we were just like, oh yeah, that's, you know, it's got sexual, like, you know, connotations to it, whatever. But they're like, well, what is that? What are they doing? And then this and then I'm like, oh my God, this is this exhausting question. As they get older. Yeah, more and more questions. I can't just keep, I can't BS either. I got to be somewhat honest and it's like, it's difficult. Yeah. My daughter's still cause my son's 15, you know, he's on internet. So I'm sure he knows what the hell's happening. But my daughter, she's 11 and she's also, she's a goodie-goody 11 year old. She does what she's told, the teacher says something, she does it. And I'm really just really happy about this stage cause I'm sure it'll change at some point. But she's funny because there'll be like a joke on TV that, you know, you could tell, they'll tell, you ever watch a TV show where they tell a joke and it's for the parents? Well, that's like some of the kids' cartoons are like that, right? That's what makes some of the best parts about the cartoons they make for kids now. It's like they have these like little subtle things like if you're adult, like you get it. Yeah, it goes over the kid's head. So we'll all be watching something and then we'll all laugh. And my daughter's always the one, she's like, what? What? Why is that funny? What's going on? What's happening? Oh, nothing. Yeah, nothing's funny. Anyway. I'm watching my, so it's kind of cool having my two best friends who are, you know, two years ahead of me and a year and a half ahead of me. So I get to kind of like, and I see them a lot. So I think of them like, I'm the godfather of like the son that was up there this weekend. Yeah, so yeah, he's at that stage right now where he's talking, right? So he's putting things together. But, you know, when they're at two, they don't like say it really well. So like they, if you're the parent, you probably start to get it. But when you're somebody outsider, so I forget how fun this age is. So like he'll come to me and he'll say like a name, you know, and you just cannot put it together. Richard, Ryan, Randy, and he's just like, no. And he says again, yeah, it's all frustrating because I know I'm guessing, I'm guessing way off, right? Just to mess with them, saying it over and over and over, you get so frustrated, like I forget how much. I had a good conversation with my, because my brother is engaged to get married, a lovely young lady, I'm so happy for them. And we were talking about kids, you know, having kids and this and that. And I'm trying to encourage him to get started soon so my baby can have little cousins and all that. And I was trying to explain to him, I don't think you can ever truly explain this. And Adam, you're the most recent dad, so maybe some advice from you. But I'm trying to explain to him how essentially invulnerable you are before you have kids. Like you don't realize how untouchable you are when you don't have kids. And then as soon as you have a child, there's all your feelings and heart and your vulnerability now is outside of you, walking around in the world. Before that, like nothing can mess with you. So I try to explain that to him. And he's like, no, I'm still worried about this. I'm like, it's not the same, dude. You just wait till you have kids. Yeah, it's different. You know, it's, I don't know. I don't even know how to explain what that is. I feel like you're just your priority shift from being like ultra selfish to like never thinking about yourself, always thinking about that little human. I think that's, to me, that's the biggest shift of that is just every decision I would just normally just make, you know, what's the worst? I fuck up or whatever. I hurt myself or I lose my money or whatever. Like whatever decision you think about, you tend to just go like, oh, it's, you know, I could get through that. I'll figure it out where now everything is never like, can I get through it? I'm like, oh, what, well then what happens if him or what kind of situation am I gonna put him in? So you just, I don't know. I think that's what happens for, or that's what I feel more than anything else is just your priority shift so much from yourself. And I've already felt, I already felt like for the first 38 years, I was already a pretty selfish person. You know, most of my decisions were centered around what serves me best. And now like that's completely gone. It went from extreme that direction to like that's never a question anymore. It's just you're not, you don't have a lot to fear when it's just you. You know, like if I go and I, I don't know, do something risky on a mountain bike and you know, I'll think to myself, it would suck if I got hurt, but I'm not thinking to myself, oh my gosh, if I really got hurt, my kids would be, I don't know, without a dad or I wouldn't be able to, so totally different. You're like so fearless before. And what I mean by fearless is not brave. I mean, you don't have much to fear because it's just you. Then you have kids and all of a sudden, everything matters so much. I was trying to explain that to him. He doesn't get it. He's like, I have a dog, I love my dog. I mean, you do, but it's not the same. Yeah, he won't get it till it's actually happening. Yeah, yeah. That's just how it works. So I'm hitting the restart button. I got another one coming. You know, I'll tell him too. He's like, why are you doing it again? I guess it's great. Yeah. It's all so hard. You get through it. Yeah. The other side's great. Speaking about babies, dude, I read this very interesting study on the power of touch for your baby. So we know how important touch is for humans. We know this with a lot of studies. There's actually some pretty scary Soviet Union studies that were done a long time ago. That's the one where they purposely didn't give them any attention and shit like that, right? Yeah, they provided there. Was there a documentary that went into that really well? I don't know. Yeah, I remember seeing a documentary on that. Yeah, where they had orphans. Yes. And half of them, they just fed and clothed. And then the other half, they actually cuddled to see the difference. Didn't they do that on the three, the triplets? Didn't they, wasn't one of those, wasn't one of the boys went through that? Dude, well, so with the triplets, I forgot the name of that documentary. So good. Right. So good, but there were three triplets that were divided at birth as an experiment. And you could see the effects of genetics and on like how their environment is, right? All three of them suffered from anxiety and depression issues. One of them committed suicide. It was the one that was raised in the home with no love. So although they all had genetically, you've been predisposed to depression, only one of them killed themselves. Oh, we're definitely wired to need that. Yes. And so this study is very interesting. This study says that, oh, it's called Three Identical Strangers. That's the documentary that you hear in the background right now that Doug put on. That's it. So here's a study. So being held by a parent with skin to skin contact greatly reduces how strongly a newborn's baby's brain responds to a shot or a jab, a medical jab. So the European Journal of Pain did this study where they looked at the activity of the brain and there's a part of the brain that is active when a baby or a human feels pain. Well, when the baby was on mom or dad, skin to skin, the part of the brain that shows pain was dramatically reduced in terms of activity. And then the resentment went way up. Yeah. Yeah. No! Why did you do this to me? Why, daddy, why? That was probably one of the first, like, I don't know, emotional dad moments I had. Isn't it the worst? Oh, it's terrible. The shots the first time. And you know what? I think it wasn't the very first one. The first one, he was so young, I don't think like he even put it together. Did he look at you like? Oh, yeah, it was about, I think it was shot two or three. Like you tricked him? Oh, yeah. I hate that. Yeah, just the look. You betrayed me, father. And like the big fat tears. It wasn't like, you know, like crying, I want my way tears or like, you know, pick me up type of deal. It was, it was like this look. And then just big tears, like you let that happen to me. It was like, oh my God, just thinking about it hurts my heart. Oh, that kills you. Now, the worst for me was when my son first, went to school the very first time and we talked about it leading up to it. And you're going to be so brave and we're going to leave you there. You're going to be with a bunch of friends and the teachers. And you would tell me, I'm brave, papa. Yes, I'm very brave. I'm really excited to go to school. I'm ready. My son was very articulate, right? And so I'm like, oh, this is going to be great. And we walk in and he's squeezing my hand real tight. So I'm like, hmm, maybe he's not as brave. Maybe it's going to be an issue. I'll be a little nervous about this. So hung out all the way up until the very end. And the teachers like, okay, because all the parents are doing this, right? And the teachers are like, okay, parents, it's time to leave now. You have to go parents. So I'm like, okay, buddy. And you know, it's time to go. And he goes, okay, give you a hug. I'm like, yeah, give me a hug. And I pick him up and then he hugs me so I'm like, I'm like trying to push him off. So I literally had to, and he's holding on for dear life. And I have to peel him off my body and give him to a stranger. And he's just reaching for me and I walk away. Yeah. I was destroyed all day, bro. I walked into the gym and my, I had a client waiting for me. And I'm like, I can't work today. Oh no. Everybody was emotionally destroyed. Everybody was concerned. They looked him like, what's the matter? And I went straight to the bathroom. They thought someone died. Son's first day at school. This is terrible. It's really hard. I don't know what to do. Well, hey, are you guys reading the Joe Rogan stuff? What's going on? Is he, I mean, I see the Spotify stock bouncing all over the place right now. Stupid. Is it going to, I want to know what's in the contract like this. Yeah, I mean, I would love to see like what the terms were going into it because that would, that would determine how all this is going to pan out. Apparently there's employees that are, that work at Spotify that said that they'll walk out or strike if Spotify does not start, you know, censoring or removing some of his episodes. And so, this is, okay, my opinion, okay. If I own Spotify personally, that's exactly the kind of cancer you want to remove from your company. Yeah, because it's not up to them. No, and also you let that spread. They'll start to, here now, here's the business side of me. Spotify, if they break the contracts with Rogan, they'll never get talent again. Nobody will ever want to go there again. They'll destroy them. It's an interesting predicament to be in. So this weekend I was hanging out with my niece who's a, she's a recruiter for Facebook. And so I always love asking her questions about the internal stuff, how the company works. And I guess Zuckerberg gets on every Friday and does a lot, a live calling where you can ask him anything with all the employees. So everybody's, and they used to, she said they used to do this in person. And then obviously when the company grew so big, they couldn't do it in person all the time. I mean, there's 15,000 people on this. And she goes, and I go, wow, that's crazy. They does it. I'm like, how do they, and she goes, yeah, it's like randomly selected. And well, that's gotta be really cool. She's like, yeah, it's cool, but then it really sucks when somebody who's like six months and the company gets up there and it's like something's going on, they're like politically or something. And all of a sudden they start like chastising him or they want like, or a bunch of people will start revolting and saying, like, why didn't you censor this or why don't you keep this? You have all this power and control to control the narrative and this is so negative and bad and why wouldn't you delete this or block that? And so they, I mean, imagine, when you have 15,000 employees that work for you and you hire most of them for like tech reasons, they're great engineers and software developers and all this stuff like that. And then they have very staunch political views and you get a lot of pressure from that group saying that we're all gonna walk out of this. The views are gonna vary all the way across the company. So it's like, you know, what they think is what everybody thinks is not the case. So it's like, you get some loud voices that wanna speak for everybody. So I imagine that's what's going on in Spotify is you've got a large portion of these people that are completely one side as far as like what their political views are. And so they're standing up and being like. Well, the irony of it is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot because you're working at this company, you're getting paid, they're successful. Their stock exploded when Rogan got added to their roster. He brings a lot of power. By the way, Rogan is, he has all kinds of people on his podcast. He's definitely not one direction or another. He has, you know, he openly supported. What were they expecting too? Exactly. You know, if they would have known and gone through his entire catalog of like previous guests and conversations, he's had, it's all over the board. And so, you know, of course there's gonna be somebody on there that they don't like what they have to say, but that's just humans. Like every human has something else, you know, some other points, some other background, you know, they're gonna bring into conversation and it's not gonna align with you. Think about it though. If Spotify breaks their contract or whatever, Rogan leaves, who knows what that'll look like. That'll crush them. Their stock literally exploded when he came on to their team. And what talent would wanna go to Spotify knowing that this could happen? Yeah, I don't know. You know, I don't know how much it would crush them or not. I think, you know, I don't disagree with you that, you know, Rogan has a ton of pool, but, you know, Spotify has been on the climb for a long time. They have, they're dominating- There was a direct spike though when he got on there. Well, no, of course, as expected, right? I mean, just, I think you're gonna get a spike just because we're not the only people that know that Rogan has millions and millions of followers. So, you know, I think every smart business person that's watching that stock go, hey, let's buy this thing because it's gonna go high. Just like what happened with Howard Stern when he got into- Was it serious? Yeah, serious radio. But here's the difference though. Like serious radio was on the rise and like really just coming on the scene when they'd partnered. And that was a massive deal and that was brilliant by them. I think that serious radio without Howard Stern doesn't exist. I think it's- Yeah, 100%. But Spotify exists without Joe Rogan. I mean, it's first a music platform first that's now pivoted into podcasting and other things. So it's already known as like the best platform to listen to streaming music. So they already own that. Yeah, but the top, if you look at the top podcast, they're controversial. You have a very popular podcast on both political spectrums. Podcasts long form, media, which means there's these discussions that happen which should happen. I think it's great to have these types of discussions. Rogan is pretty damn balanced. If you look at his guests, the guy has people from all kinds of different walks of life, different opinions. He's very open to debate and discussion. He's actually hosted debates. I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. I think that this is silly. I mean, I agree with you. I think they would be, I don't think they would die or it would cripple them that much. I think you'd see the stock dip because it had a huge spike because it came on, but they would survive it. But what it will do is it will definitely, I mean, if they kick him off or they start censoring him, they're definitely going to basically announce their views. I mean, if you- That's what I mean. They're gonna be in a real difficult position regardless. Which we, that may be like, I still think that's my theory is that all of these platforms eventually will do that. Eventually, they will decide- You have to come out with it. Yeah, they'll decide that, okay, these are our political views and we're gonna grow more by aligning one side of the other. And just like we see with Fox and CNN, Spotify will be Fox or CNN and then another platform will be the opposite. It does seem almost impossible to be neutral anymore. It does. With the amount of people that just wanna command some kind of opinion. Yeah, I guess you're right. It looks like the market is more supportive of that, right? Because think about how many news networks that are like old school news where they just reported, nobody, they don't make any money. People don't like to listen to this. No, it's super unfortunate. People wanna, believe it or not, a majority of people still want to listen to it. Of course you do. Do you know how painful it is for me, for my ego to, because that's what I do this every day. Every single day I seek out opposing news articles and opinions and I can feel my ego like not wanna read it. Like I get pissed off like, oh, this is so. I wish I could just get the facts. Yeah, but I do it anyway. I read the opposite side of my opinion anyway, just so I can strengthen my own or sometimes change my mind. But it's a conscious practice. It's not something that I would put it upon. Which by the way, the level of self-awareness that you're at in comparison to the majority is much higher. You're just, a majority of people are not taking that extra step to read another article. Yeah, speaking of annoying stuff, there was a doctor that did a post on Instagram about grass-fed meat that I think totally misses the boat, right? Oh, it was his argument. So the post said, if you are eating grass-fed meat to get your omega-3 fatty acids, that is equivalent to eating peanut butter for its protein or something like that. Which that's totally off the mark as to why you would eat grass-fed meat. I don't think you should eat grass-fed red meat to seek out omega-3 fatty acids. Obviously, fish is superior for that. But if you eat a lot of meat anyway, then eat grass-fed meat because cumulatively, over time, you are gonna have a much better fatty acid profile in your diet. So if you're like me, like I eat red meat probably at least six days a week, if not seven, and sometimes more than one time a day. So with that much red meat in my diet, it totally makes sense to get grass-fed meat. If you eat mostly fish and you almost never eat red meat and then you throw it in every once in a while, is it gonna make a big difference? Probably not. But if you eat a lot of red meat, it makes a difference. Add it all up. Add it up over the week and the months and the years. And then it makes sense to have grass-fed. So those kind of arguments are, it's like they're making the wrong argument, you know what I'm saying? I don't know anybody that does. Well, I feel like that's the move now on like Instagram, especially and Twitter, right? Is you say something like counter just to get the, just to get the tracking clicks. Yeah, cause it's gonna cause people to comment and say stuff on it, which that's gonna pop you up in the Explorer page. And so a lot of times I think some of these doctors, even in trainers, I mean, our good buddy, we just recently talked about the squat thing. Sometimes I think that's just a pure strategy by these guys is to get, to get noticed. More visibility, you know, potentially some more followers out of it. And they can intelligently debate that side. So it's not like that's completely off base. I mean, I think it's the wrong approach. I think it's the wrong message to the masses, right? And you're a doctor, so you're gonna confuse a lot of people that thought they were doing a good job by probably eating grass-fed beef. But I get it, I get that you can try and make just like the squat thing. Like, yeah, I get that you can make an argument that you can never squat and build a great physique and be okay, but I don't think that's a good message for the masses. It's just that's- It's not something I would promote. Right, right, same thing. Dude, I started Maps Split this morning. I'm gonna be doing the old kind of double, yeah. Each body part twice a week, you know, higher volume. Go full bro on us. Yeah, and you know what? Usually I do better with more frequency, but every once in a while, I switch to something like this, my body responds. I will say this, the pump that you get from this type of a workout with that many sets in one workout is pretty, it is pretty intense. It's alluring. I was able to do what I do, 10 sets per, for chest, shoulders and triceps. And it is a fun feeling to get that real insane and gorge feeling. Yeah, well, talking about back to what I was saying with these articles or someone saying things did you see the claim on blue blocker glasses in COVID? No, what's the deal? So that's me, yeah, I saw that. I mean, all the time, tying that together. Well, I'm always looking at like, so I'm always researching, anytime we have stuff with partners and we have commercials, I'm always researching things, articles that are out there to support like the stuff. And I came across like, you know, blue blocking glasses to help COVID, but here, and so I was like, okay, this has got to be bullshit. And some study came out in China to show that out of the thousands of people that had contracted COVID, only like 17 of them actually wore glasses. And so that was like the start of all of this. The theory is this though, if you're wearing glasses, period, the likelihood that you will touch something that can have it and then rub your eyes is less likely because you have glasses on there. So they've spun that information to promote blue blocking glasses. It's not cause viruses are on the blue light spectrum. Yeah, that's, I was like, wait a second, how is this gonna work, dude? This is hilarious. So I know that, you know, if there's something, if there's like droplets in the air, it can get in your eyes. So covering your eyes. Right, well it's really the droplets more hailing. Yeah, cause even on your hands, I've seen data that was like conflicting with that in terms of how contractable that is. Yeah, well, blue light blocking glasses, they just did like this business report. The sales of them are expected to explode because of COVID, because so many more people are working only in front of computer. Now that makes perfect. They're on Zoom. Yeah, it's already, they're already going up. The sales of blue light blocking glasses are exploding because people are on their computers all day, students on their computers. My kids wear their Felix rays now all the time because they're not in school. They're literally sitting in front of the computer for, you know, six hours. Oh yeah, my kids, even myself, I've noticed being on the computer a lot more and writing and so it's essential. I have those on and then also have my, the brain of them like focus on to keep me kind of blocking everything out and like tunnel visioning my way through and being productive. Well, there's not a lot of things that like you can, you can try, right? And actually feel a major difference. And I, that's one of those things that I think most people are pretty skeptical or at least I think I was skeptical before I tried it. Dude, we made fun of people, remember? I know. We went to, we went to, was it paleo effects? We had to wait till they became cool. You know what I mean? Like, we're like, okay, finally, like they've made some stylish frames. Yeah. I can get on board. We were like, we're at paleo effects, remember? And we saw all those people wearing orange glasses. Yeah. But they also had their Birkenstocks and, you know, all their stuff. That's like a stringer tank top at the Olympics. That's what I felt like. I mean, the orange ones are a little much for me. I mean, I think that at that point it's like, it changes the color of everything. I'm like, you know, I don't, to that extent, no way. But the fact that a company like Felix Gray came out with ones that are as protective that are without the orange tint to them. And I can actually watch TV and go about my day and be on my computer and not feel like all the colors completely distorted. You know, to me, that's a big difference. Dude, they came out with this cancer study on nanotechnology. It's pretty fascinating. So they took these nanoparticles and they coated them in the amino acid phenyl amyline, I believe. So they coated it in this amino acid that cancer cells need to survive. So they take it in, then the nano, you know, the nano, you know, whatever it is, the particle gets released. That causes the inside of the cell to increase its reactive oxygen species through the roof, which kills the cancer cells, but doesn't kill healthy cells. So they tested it on mice and there was like an 80% cure rate or something like that. What? Yeah, which is for gastric cancer, breast cancer and another cancer that they tested on mice. You read popular science much. I used to like be subscribed. That was like the talk forever was how far we were gonna go in advancing in nanotechnology. It's really cool to start seeing that, but also it kind of, you know, it's alarming, little scary, you know, for me like the level we're gonna get here real fast with the technology. Have you seen the nano robots that they'll make? Yeah, yeah. Oh, fascinating. Yeah. They're like these, they're so, so small. I think you would need like a pretty strong, yeah, what is it, a microscope to see them, but they can get them to move in particular ways like robots. Program them, yeah, like robots that target cells. That doesn't make sense to me. You need a microscope to see it. It's a robot. Super powerful microscope. How does somebody create that though? I don't know. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. You're asking a couple of trainers. Well, they have really small fingers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, like, it goes right over the top of my head. Well, they're usually, it's lasers, Adam, lasers. Well, I know that the way that they get them to move is through chemical reactions. So they're not like machinery. Yeah, you see, I'm pretty sure that these are all with legs and robots and little spiders. Little steam bot. Yeah, little robot spiders or something that they move. So that's not what it is. No, there's a video actually. That's stupid, they shouldn't call them nanobots. Yeah, they're not real robots. Yeah, come on. No, it's not like the one on Marvel that makes, what's the Iron Man suit or whatever. Oh, yeah. Everything, by the way, in a sci-fi movie, if they can't explain it, it's nano. It's nano, yeah, everything. Yeah, and then in fantasy, it's magic. So yeah, you got both of those, nano magic. There's this one video of these nanobots like walking up a strand of, I think it's DNA or something, which is, it's fascinating. What? Yeah, it's really, really cool. But we'll see what happens with this. This is very promising because one of the challenges with treating cancer cells is how do you kill them and not kill healthy cells? But if you can make smart, injectable nanobots or whatever or, you know, particulate matter or whatever, and then it can zero in on the cancer cells, that seems like that would be the best treatment. Yeah, I mean, that'd be crazy if all that goes down. We'll see. First question is from Jmax5862. Can I use dumbbells for squats, lunges, chest press, overhead press, and deadlifts? Does it have to be a barbell or am I just wasting my time? Justin, you were the one that went and did all the mods that we had. What programs, I know it's most of them, but not all of them. What programs do we have now that we've- Yeah, we went through and we tried to cover basically all the main programs. So the only ones we left out were PED because it's so machine-based. Like, I mean, there's just so many exercises in that program that you, I mean, you're not gonna really have the experience you want unless you're in a gym setting. And so the other one was Strong, which, you know, we were kind of going back and forth with that, but there were so many unique lifts to that program that we kind of wanted to keep it as was, but everything else, I mean, split, static, performance, anabolic, you know, all the main hitters, like we went through and replaced them with options for dumbbells. Right, most exercises that you do with barbells, you could do with dumbbells, and you really won't lose effectiveness. Now, some exercises are a little harder to replace, like a barbell squat is a bit difficult to replace with dumbbells, but there are many, many exercises you can do and replace of a barbell squat to give you similar results. All the split stance exercises. And the main reason why it's hard is just the loading purpose, right? That's it. I mean, it's- How do you get the dumbbells on your back? Right, so if you're somebody who only squats though, let's say 95 or 100 pounds on a barbell, holding two 45 pound dumbbells. Then it's almost equivalent. Yeah, it's pretty close, but it's somebody who can load a barbell up to, you know, 185, 200 pounds, like good luck holding 75, 100 pound dumbbells in each arm while you're trying to squat. So that's where I think it, but if you're in that range, absolutely. And here's a deal too. For the time being, it's an incredible switch out. I mean, where we're all at, like, yeah, perfect world. I've got a barbell too, but man, I've wrote many, many programs for clients that don't have access to a barbell and only have dumbbells at home. And it's totally fine. Well, I'll tell you as a trainer, if you had to limit my equipment for clients and you said you can have dumbbells or a barbell, but you can't have both. And then you can have your adjustable bench. What would you choose? To train clients, I would choose dumbbells. They're more versatile. And range as a motion can be modified a little bit better. And I can do certain things with dumbbells I can't do with barbells. Barbells are great when you're really strong. Like when you're really strong, you could load the hell out of it. You could deadlift a lot, squat a lot with it. But dumbbells are, they're still free weights. They're actually more free than barbells are because they're unilateral. Well, yeah, exactly. And unilateral like that I was gonna mention, like if you instead of the intensity being just like adding more load and you know, obviously barbell is the best for that in terms of like stacking a lot of load in certain moves. You know, unilateral would be the way I would kind of intensify certain exercises to make them challenging. But you get so many different benefits from that. Like you get so much more stability in the joints. And then that all then carries over back into your bi-loaded situation where now I can squat on my back and I feel way more supported. Well, I was making the case that somebody who can do 200 pound squat, it'd be really hard to emulate that with a pair of dumbbells and do a bilateral squat, both feeling right, but take that same person and hold 50 pound dumbbells and do a Bulgarian squat. That'll crush somebody who squats 200 pounds all day long. So you could still accomplish a phenomenal workout. Or do a single leg deadlift holding dumbbells if you want a deadlift. And watch what happens to your bilateral deadlift just from getting good at the single leg one. I mean, I haven't done this for a long time, but I used to go through cycles of just dumbbell training where I would eliminate barbells completely, do everything with dumbbells, and I would always get some good results from doing that. Yeah, it's much more holistic. Like, you know, if I can improve any of the other like underlying weaknesses that's gonna help you with your longevity in this training game. Next question is from Jay Canales, 140. What's more important? Meeting your macros or meeting your calories? Almost sounds like a trick question, because if you meet your macros, you're gonna meet your calories. If you meet your calories, you don't necessarily meet your macros. Good point. So in other words, if my targets are just arbitrarily 100 grams of protein, 100 grams of carbs, and 50 grams of fat, I'll just make up numbers here, I could hit those same calories by cutting my protein down to 50 and then adding those 50 to my carbs. So the calories are the same, but now I've missed my macro targets. But if I hit my macro targets and I don't go over, I'm gonna hit my calorie targets. So what's more important? It's kind of hard to say, because again, if you eat your macros or your calories, but I will say this, if you're consistently missing your essential proteins and fats, then your calories don't matter. There's a great show on Netflix called Alone that I've been watching. And it's really, really fun show. So they take strangers, they put them out in the wilderness. And the idea is to see who can last the longest and survive. And it's a very fascinating show to watch because you can see how people can starve even though they have lots of food. For example, there's this one guy who kills a moose and he carves it up and everything and stores it. And technically it should be enough meat to last the whole season. It could last them for a long time, for months and months and months. But a Wolverine comes and steals the fat from the meat that the moose. So now he's left only with really lean meat. Well, if he doesn't get fat, if he doesn't get a fat source, he'll starve to death. He could eat 10,000 calories of protein from meat. But if he doesn't hit his minimum fat, his body won't get the essential fatty acids and eats and he'll literally die from doing that and hunters and trappers in the past, they would encounter this when all they'd be able to do is catch rabbits. So meeting macro minimums, essential macros, proteins and fats, very important. Regardless of your calories, if you don't hit your essential proteins and your essential fats, you can eat all the calories in the world and your body just won't be able to maintain. I think this question just comes from the people always that are touting the law of thermodynamics, right? Calories in versus calories out. If as long as you are in a caloric deficit, you're going to lose. And that is true. But to your point, Sal, if you are following your macros, you are going to hit your calorie intake. So sticking to that is a much easier strategy than just managing calories. People that only manage calories, I think of the challenges as a trainer I'd have with people that did weight watchers where it's just a point system. And then I get ahold of them and I'm like, oh, well, they ate all their points in fucking pudding. That is not ideal. We need to change this up. So yeah, that may be getting you there to lose weight because it's got you only eating 1,300 calories and that's gonna put you- There's probably nutrient deficiencies in that address. Exactly, so yes, calories matter that much that if you are in a deficit, you will lose. But going that way and just ignoring macro targets is heading down a dangerous path. Next question is from Cool Wolf Lives. What are your views on the Turkish getup? What is it useful for? And in what situation would you program it? This is a great exercise that allows you to really see the bias in people in the fitness space, okay? Because the Turkish getup- Doesn't really fit in most people's programming situation. Okay, so if you don't know what a Turkish getup is, you can go to Mind Pump TV and we have a couple of videos on the breakdown of it. But it's literally a full body exercise. You go from the floor to standing while supporting a dumbbell overhead. So if you're a bodybuilder type and you write workouts based off of body parts, where the hell do I put a Turkish getup? If you're a power lifter, where do you put that in? Yeah, it's not like a squad. It's not like a deadlift or a bench press. Like where would I put that? If you're a competitive athlete, maybe it'd be tough, although I'll make the argument that a Turkish getup is exceptionally good for grapplers in particular. But it's a full body exercise and here's the value of full body exercises. The value is not in the, I can get maximum muscle growth out of an individual body part. The value is not in the, I can lift tons of weight and get this huge overload. The value is in getting the whole body to communicate well with itself. It's in getting all the body parts to work well together, which is extremely valuable. It's actually more valuable than the last two things I just said. I don't even, yeah, I don't know if it's just because of my music kind of upbringing and background, but I just think of playing certain musical instruments all the time, but I'm never like coordinating all that together. And so if I'm thinking of like an orchestra or something where you're getting like a bigger volume of instruments involved, but they have to sound good. They all have to work good together for it to be right. And I look at this as more of a movement specific exercise where it's something that's gonna tell my body like how effectively I can communicate. And also like if I have true command over my body to produce things, desired outcomes that I want. And so for me to then, I use it a lot like mainly as an assessment or also as just like something that I wanna look at, see where like the status of my client or somebody that's an athlete of mine, I use it a lot to kind of see how their body could organize in a certain fashion for me then to take more complex movements and introduce them to those. So we've obviously made the case of the value of the Turkish kid up, but the part of this question too is like how would we program it? So I see three places and then I'll tell you how I use it most often and probably recommend it to clients. To Sal's point earlier, obviously if you're a very, you have a very specific program. You're a bodybuilder, you're a power lifter. It not to say that it doesn't still have value to those programs, it absolutely does. But it's less important on how I program it for someone who has a very, very specific goal like that. But everybody else, right? The rest of the world that just wants to be healthy, fit, more muscular, less body fat, move well, this belongs in there. And the three ways I'm using it, either one, to start a workout. Two, the end of a workout. Or three, all by itself some days. And this is how I use it most often. So I gotta think that I'm not alone here where there's just some days when you just, you don't have it and you need to do your full routine of your workout or maybe you've been hitting the gym really consistently and you wanna go an extra day in the gym and so you're there a fourth or a fifth day which is an addition to your normal workout routine. This is where I love to just do this movement by itself. There's only a handful of exercises that I may come to the gym and only do that exercise for the entire workout. This is one of them that I think is phenomenal for that. I love to teach a client how to do a Turkish getup and then when they're traveling or they're doing something, I don't need a lot of equipment. I'm like, I just want you to practice your Turkish. I'll give them like how many I want them to do. I want you to do X amount for so many sets and you know, pause at this point. It's like broken down in eight movements, right? So it's like eight movements all in one and it's a great full body workout and it's great for you just to practice and get good at it. Sometimes I will come to the gym and that's all I will do as a Turkish getup and there's not a lot of exercises that I feel give such a great bang for your buck that it makes sense. You would never come to the gym. You would be wasting your time or I think it would be silly to come to the gym and do bicep curls as your one workout or to do lateral raises. There's a lot of or even rows and there's a lot of exercises that I think are, yeah, those are great exercises but by themselves just doing that in the gym, whatever, but squatting, deadlifting, overhead pressing, Turkish getup, that's in there and those exercises that I think have enough value to do by themselves. And I would say if you are a power lifter or a bodybuilder, this is a great exercise to do on your off days, kind of like what Adam's saying. When you have an off day, first off, active recovery is better than just sitting around. Practice some Turkish getups, take your body through those movements. It works the whole body. Covers all areas. Covers all areas. Think about it this way. I'm gonna do a sports analogy. I know when you guys get excited when I do this, think of a basketball team, right? Which team is gonna perform better? The one where each individual player just practices by themselves all the time. The point guard is doing his thing all by himself all the time. Everybody else is doing things all by themselves all the time and they're really good on their own. They're doing the drills, they're shooting the ball, they're dribbling, they're going through their mind, all the different plays, or what about another team where the team plays together? They always play together. Your body is like, it's very similar to that team. You do have individual players, your biceps, your triceps, your shoulders, your chest, your lats, your quads, your hamstrings. You've got all these muscles that on their own do something, but really they don't work on their own. Almost never. They always work in concert with the other muscles. And so these full body exercises enforce and create better communication through the whole body. Tell me one instance where that's not valuable. It's valuable for everybody, even for bodybuilders that develop individual body parts. I think it's still important to do this because if all you ever do is focus on individual body parts, you actually start to, you may create dysfunction. You may have overly developed strong muscles that don't work well together. And I understand why it's hard for people to see value in it that are just muscle focused and less movement focused. And it's hard for me because I always struggle with that because I was so athletically minded with the outcomes of how I'm building somebody up and I'm seeing their performance increase and their lifts and their strength. But because I used to use this a lot as a way to start being able to coach somebody and really get them to understand their body better. So they have to be able to keep control of their hips and while they're rotating and do all these little nuanced things that then I have to be able to teach when they're throwing a baseball. Like if I'm a coach and this is something that I could, they could start to understand that like, oh, well, if I hold my body in this position and I don't elevate my shoulder while I'm now getting more torque out of my torso, I could actually like throw the ball faster and harder and more leg drive, all these like little things that you can kind of point out. Like you need that kind of assessment every now and then and it's very valuable to start that. I actually think it's the most underrated exercise. I don't think that, I think of all the exercises. How often do you guys walk on a gym and see someone doing it? Never. Never. I mean, it's like one at a every like 100 visits I come to the gym, I catch somebody actually doing that. You'll see it maybe in an MMA gym or- Yeah, right. Like if you worked in like a UFC gym maybe like or you work somewhere where there's that's common, you might see it more often. But in a traditional gym, which by the way, I think that's who it, traditional people, your average person, just body fat, muscle move better, these people need to be doing this movement more often, it can go to the beginning, it goes in, it could stand alone by itself. It belongs for in everybody or most everybody's programming. Next question is from Fat Husband. What is a good progression for introducing weightlifting to kids and teens? Oh yeah, great, great question. Now this is true for anybody. This is true for anybody who's being introduced for weight training, but especially for kids. You wanna work on body awareness and control first. It's very important for everybody, but with kids what you'll find is when you have them balance even a lightweight overhead, you'll notice that they have poor controls. Like they wanna drop the dumbbell on their head. They lack that. So that's the number one thing that you focus on. And the way you'd start with is body weight stuff. So you start with regular squats and pushups and body rows and things where they're balancing their whole body. And then from there, the first things that I do with weights are static holds. So I would have my kid grab a couple dumbbells. I'll help them put it in position above their head. And then I'll have them hold it up there real tight and real strong for 10 seconds. Or I'll have them hold dumbbells and walk nice and tall. Or I'll have them go down to a squat and have them go maybe halfway down and hold that position for 10 seconds. Cause what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get them connected to their body and get good control. Because once you get the control, then the rest becomes easier. Now you can do the traditional exercises and build them up. And by the way, that control portion builds a lot of strength as well. You're building a lot of central nervous system strength in your kid. So now as far as sports, if you want something organized, gymnastics is an excellent way to introduce kids to resistance training because it's all body awareness. Yeah, no, I totally agree. I'm glad you brought up the static holds. I think I got the most, I had my kids, we're trying to do overhead presses and they were trying to emulate a lot of the workouts and movements and things that I was doing in the gym and they'd watch. But then wanting to know more and like going through those movements, I found it way more valuable to just slow down and hold the positions first. So they really can understand like where they need to tighten in their body, what they need to do to organize things so that they had good control, good understanding of how to hold the weight in an overhead extended position as well because that's an opportunity for me to educate too, like how this could then affect their back if they do it wrong and all these things. It's just slowing down. I think that transition from body weight exercises and moving and understanding like how to react when they get a good understanding through gymnastics, parkour, something like that where they're going through all these like rotational things and like all kinds of different planes of motion. Once they get through that and then they do the body weight exercises, now to load it, it's one of those essential things I've found is to stop and to hold weight to get really comfortable with that. And then we can kind of move into how you're gonna organize moving that weight up and down. I picked this question because it had so many likes. So there's obviously a lot of people that wanna hear this and the main reason why I wanted to bring it up is so I could actually point towards the interview that we did with Chad Wesley. Is Wesley his last name? Chad Wesley Smith maybe? Yeah, I believe- From Juggernaut. Yeah, I believe it's Chad Wesley and we did it a long time ago. And every once in a while we have someone on this show that's another fitness professional that kind of blows my mind or like really opens my eyes to something and that interview was that. So if you're maybe not interested in this topic, it's not like the most amazing interview but if you are interested in topic, I think it's phenomenal. Like after talking to him, I've made plans- Chad Wesley Smith. Yeah, Chad Wesley, right? So I've made plans for how I will take max through sports. And so swimming in gymnastics is the first thing right away after listening to that. And like he is, if so, if you're looking for something very prescriptive like at what ages, what types of play they should be doing, what types of exercise, like he breaks all of that down by their years. Like, okay, so ages here to here, they should be doing so many seasons of general play. They should be doing this much of a specific sport they're into. I think that episode is phenomenal for that. And I know Sal already mentioned the gymnastic thing, like that's a for sure place. And that really what that is, that's the body awareness. I mean, they're honing in on how to move in space and gymnastics does that better than any other sport. And so even if you like, you know, I told my friends, like I was gonna get maxed and they're like, gymnast, you want him to be a gymnast? And I'm like, no, I don't really care if he's a gymnast. I just want him to learn that practice early because for all sports pursuits, that's like the best foundation. The great base. Yes, if he ends up falling in love with baseball, soccer, basketball, football, tennis, any of these gymnastics would be a phenomenal foundation for all those pursuits. Plus you're less likely to get the overuse injury factor. Like if you introduce them too much, you specialize them too early. For instance, there's only so many pitches if you're a pitcher, you know, there's only so many of these repetitive type movements that until it becomes an issue for them later on in their career. So it's like you're shortening the window of their career when in fact, if you just introduce them to more sports and then kind of make that into like, you're honing in towards a specialty, much better approach. Dude, you just reminded me of a conversation. This would have been better in the intro, but I have to bring it up because you just reminded me. So I was with my PTA best friend, right? So he's a physical therapist assistant. So he rehabbing people all the time. You want to know what is a rising major rehab that he has to do right now? What? So, you know, he's used to seeing people that are like advanced age and had hip surgery and knee surgery, but he's starting to get like kids in their 20s and stuff. Wow. Guess what it is? Is it forward neck and shoulder? Video game thumbs. Oh, wow. Nintendo thumb? You say about how you only have so many throws. Well, you have only so many freaking, you know, thumb flicks and rotations and because the kids are playing it so excessively now at such a young age and it's getting- They're getting arthritis and everything to it? Oh, wow. Yeah, I forgot what he actually called the name of what it's called, but it's got a name for it. That's an embarrassing intro. I know, right? Well, but you know, to your point, I mean, all these joints, they only have, they do, they have a shelf life in a sense, dude. You can only do them repetitively so much. Without balance? Yes. Yeah, if they're balanced, they can move a lot, but if they're not balanced, you're- Yeah, and if you're a kid who's doing four hours of video gaming every single day, like that's not, there's nothing balanced about that. No, that's crazy. Isn't that wild? That's alarming. Well, you know, here's something we didn't touch upon. I have trained a lot of kids and I will say this, okay, you definitely need to know what you're doing and you know, do what we just said. But here's another factor that is very important. The workouts need to be short and very enjoyable for kids. Otherwise you're not, it's just not gonna happen. If it's like, come to the workout, do what I say. It's gonna be very difficult to build that relationship with exercise. Now, sometimes you do have to tell your kids, sorry, we gotta go work out and they have to listen to you, but then when you're doing it, put on fun music, have great conversations, play games in between, don't treat it super, super seriously because if it's super unenjoyable, they're not gonna wanna continue to do it on their own. And of course you can't always be there to train your kids. So try to create a fun environment and you can make exercise. Play heavy and then when they have questions, that's an opportunity for you to educate. Exactly. 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