 Hello, everyone. We're good to go. All right. We are on the cloud native TV recap cube con style A legend the Babe Ruth of what we do. I'm so excited to do this. I've been talking about this for it with you for a long time Stu Miniman Welcome to daily recap on cloud native TV. Well pop. I really appreciate you having me here It was great to be on the popcast with you before and yeah, it's funny I'm walking around this show and everybody's like, oh stew the cubes here. I'm like, well, yes The cube is here, but actually I'm not the cube anymore So I've been you know working for red hat for a year now and everybody's like, oh, but do you still do the cube? I'm like, you know the cubes not like a podcast or side hustle or things like that It's you know, I was an analyst and it's a media organization You know, we had clear disclaimers as to where money came and we did a lot of shows It's like yeah, no at my side. I'll just you know go to 30 or 40 shows a year and do you know hundreds of interviews and stuff like that No, that was a full-time job. I was humping it for a decade with them. Love those guys was great I was on again today with furrier And talking about what's going on. So yeah, it's interesting here, you know I'm on the vendor side which meant I did a bunch of media. So it's like, oh wait My face is gonna be out there more at these time events, but it's been fun. Nice. So everyone I have to do the disclaimer. I kind of forgot to do that real quick So this is a CNCF broadcast, please we follow the code of conduct here So please be kind and wonderful to each other in chat interact with folks. We have a jam-packed day today We have we have Brad Giesman and Duffy Cooley from SIGHONK. They had a talk today, Stu You know where they they're awesome people We have Kasselin Fields here Priyanka is gonna be here Steven Augustus, you know Steven Augustus Yeah, Steven's little conference. That's what we call this thing Doesn't everybody at the show know Steven everybody knows Steven and the joy will be here as well So we're all streaming and people coming in. Oh, wait a second honk. Come on in. Yes Duffy Cooley welcome to the show Brad Giesman welcome to the show Duffy nice to see you. Yeah, the hat with a rim is a little bit challenging with you So you could probably put it on top if you want it. Oh, maybe we can try at least see that You gotta be on brand sage like advice from this guy who's done a lot of these so he can kind of give the Headphones advice. All right, so fellas, I mean who wants to go first in terms of talking about like, you know The your your talks are always phenomenal in terms of keynotes and whatnot. So so who wants to take it away Yeah, I mean it was a blast month. I really enjoyed like we spent some time this year Kind of exploring kind of a run C vulnerability that was well made every version of run C before RC 95 Exploitable and it was actually a really interesting challenge because we were trying to come up with a way to Kind of map what we had learned about the run C vulnerability in In run C to dog or to Kubernetes right because like that is that it's vulnerable is one thing But but like how can we actually do this with Kubernetes? How can we do this with an orchestration layer and that was the challenge before us? And so the four of us got together we spent about I think 10 10 14 days something like that kind of Hacking on it and got it working and then there was much honking We actually just presented kind of our work around what that was and some of the key takeaways are You know really dig you don't don't give up on stuff like this If this is actually something that's interesting to you just keep powering through and keep trying stuff until you find ways to You know exploit the world and figured out you know, thanks Brad. What's I mean? What's your take dude? Yeah, that talk was born out of a team effort, right? So we're we're all looking at it from different angles. We're working together You know Duffy has knowledge about things worry is not the backgrounds that are looking at it from different angles I don't think we would have solved it without that. Yeah Like you know you get stuck and you sort of like throw it over and then when you have your team That's like oh, yeah, no, I know that I can try it from this angle and we eventually got it working and then You know operationalized so it's more reliable. Hey, that's all good Well, it's funny Brad You know this morning in the keynote Priyanka was talking about team cloud native and for people that don't know it's like well Come on. We all have our jobs. We have things to do, but this community I mean very much is built on you know, I know I've been in this long enough that people move My boss Dave Vellante used to say there's a hundred of us in 99 seats and we go round and round and it's not you know The knife fight of Red Sox versus Yankees. It's like hey, we compete some places But in this community we got to work together and especially on some of the security things We better all work together or we're in big trouble. Well, there's the adage there. It's like same team different company I feel it. I mean look, you know like all of us I you know I was the the emcee for two sessions with the scene see an ebpf day with Duffy Cooley And the the tag security day and it was like look the way that I said it was like there's no one tool There's no one project. There's no that that solves all these issues. It's it's that's what a community is is being able to like You know address those things Yeah, and really driving into our community like a culture of learning, you know, I mean that's that's the thing I think that that's kind of Brad and I's goal from the beginning Like whenever we whenever Ian Brad Rory and I get together Our goal is to really kind of derive that culture of learning into what we're doing We want people to be able to iterate and kind of lean on the community Get their legs underneath them and then go out there and thrive, you know And another thing on the community that was really kind of amazing me so far here at kubecon Um, this is the first in-person kubecon. We missed it. We missed a couple We've been virtual and and kind of uh, you know struggling to connect I think a little bit and so it's been kind of a high emotion kind of a really intense Feeling that I'm getting kind of from the community here at this event Right, it's been a great it's been a great session and I also have been I've been really fortunate to meet a bunch of great folks who are like this is their first kubecon and I was like wow This must be amazing first kubecon because it's like it's not super crowded But all a bunch of people are here and you get to spend like really good one on one time with them And at the same time like yeah Duffy I mean they don't realize if they'd come to san diego some of the people that you have access to here They would have been in wall-to-wall meetings forget about it You might get there's people that normally I'm like you'd bump into them and like I have five seconds to say hi before they run off Exactly stop and talk for five minutes. I got a little bit of leeway. It's you know big convention center But you're right it the the the hallway track is back And uh, it's so nice to have all the people and be able to have a little breathing room Yeah, it's also really good to see the virtual ones that going strong right like this The figure the the hallway track in the in slack is also just alive and well I've been seeing all the applause for the talks and the support of everybody there So I'm really glad you're here whether you're here in person or whether you're here virtually I'm really I'm really glad you're here. Yeah, absolutely. So Go ahead Brad. You would say something about I was going to say like, you know doing a talk in person Yeah, also with Ian cold water my co-presenter You know shout out to Ian cold water You know just being in the energy the rooms energy It's it's really refreshing, you know because you're seeing the interaction and the questions after Didn't know how much I missed that But also, you know, just just the excuse to be silly and poke around the things and misuse things and You know share that knowledge You get it back in spades and that's why I love doing it because you get that back from the community So 100% no doubt and it's also like I said, it's good actually going out and kind of seeing your friends grabbing You know a seltzer a soft drink of some sort and you know just being able to just frighten us And we I really enjoyed that aspect of it I want to ask just kind of this the last question for you all and and that's like what are the things like you're looking forward to this week I mean for me, I think it's really just been kind of getting reconnected, you know I I was personally definitely struggling with like really feeling disconnected from the community In this last, you know, 18 months of the long dark tea time of the soul And so for me, I've really been feeling very energized I've been talking to I I don't consider myself necessarily an extrovert But I know I'm more of an ambivert it can kind of go either way But I can definitely tell that a lot of my extrovert friends So I'm actually getting to see here at this event are really like Those batteries are getting their first charge in a long time, you know what I'm saying like it It's really great to see like, you know That happening well Duffy one of the things, you know, I think back to the 2019 show Like most people hadn't heard of epbf That's when I think about the life cycle of what has changed in the technology space And what's going on with zillium since we were here in person like, oh my gosh Yeah, like it's a lifetime or two Yeah, we did a whole epbf day and we have like many other great things planned for next year already like epbf is really taking off and I I mean I personally moved to isovalent during that whole Long dark tea time of the soul and have been really kind of immersing myself in epbf and that whole space And it's been really refreshing like I think I'm used to when entering into like a new technology like isovalent or cillium I spent a lot of my time explaining like what it is and why it's interesting and instead I find that I spent a lot of my time listening To people telling me why it's interesting and telling me why it's so it's so compelling and and that really tells me You know, exactly what you're saying, right? Like we've kind of gotten to that point where the zeitgeist has happened People have really seen the value of it and they really want to engage now And cillium is a great way to engage there and even you know shameless plug for falco Right, if you look at epbf now seeing that apple was is using, you know, falco and and all that and it's it's a trifan I remember the day that john luca barolo, you know from from cystic it like put together like Literally how to do, you know captures and some of the simply epbf driver and I was looking at this and I was like This technology is what and then I have graff on the pop cast and Thomas graff is brilliant absolutely a brilliant human being and like I was like this cillium is a is a great thing And also having you there one of my best friends. I'm like by the way shout out to cillium on incubated project Yeah clap on that today very very cool. I mean well deserved an amazing project with amazing, you know amazing technology So kudos to you all Brad kind of asked the same question and go over to you and say like what are things you're looking forward to this week I think I can sum it up with just saying face to name Yep, uh, you know the last two or three years. It's been forced Remote, you know communication And I need to see the name and the face put together and I can make that connection a little better So for me, that's what I'm excited about technology wise. There's a lot of talk about of course ebpf But it's accepted, you know, it's a known quantity and doing amazing things with it Um, but you know software supply chain is huge identity is huge Uh, and I'm very curious to see Where people are making practical solutions of a previously very difficult problem You know, where do I establish trust out of The wild how do I how do I rein that in but still get the value and the velocity out of open source, right? And so when I see projects that are doing, you know step in and levels and and you know salsa that you're you're easing into it That is an approach that I'm excited to see, you know successful honestly So brad I want to go off script and ask a question to you. Um, do you all know what a Reese's peanut butter cup is? I don't know if you know brad brad's uncle. Yes, I do Brad's uncle actually invented the Reese's peanut butter cup. Is that right brad? Can you please cooperate this story? Oh, I'm trying to spread that myth because he told me once he's he's actually from the uh, From uh, well, Hershey P. A. So there you go. That's awesome. Yeah family worked in the in the business So if you've had a Reese's cup somewhere in the late 80s and 90s the peanut butter See that investigative reporting I do they broof That is uh, that is really impressive because that is one of the best candies out there And with that sig honk, thank you for so much for being on the daily recaps. Yeah, appreciate it I'd see you see you in the next few days. All right. Thanks all Cheers All righty, see the hits keep on comment. We I mean What do we do here? This is this is uh I don't even know like how do we segue into the next one? You're pro. I need to understand this So you talk, you know, one of the things looking for it. It's funny. I know a lot of people in this community But I tell you for me like I got to meet a lot of co-workers people I've only seen on, you know, google meet and zoom meetings and you know a million email trails and you have all the It's like, oh wait that person's taller or shorter Things like that or you get to build report And talk about things like that. So I want to ask you about this because yesterday you also did the open Shift comment. I wouldn't plug that because again, it was great. I actually walked in It's consistent got a booth in there over there, but kind of yeah, so so it's funny We we actually did a hybrid event which was really interesting because one of the things we always do So open shift commons in case the audience doesn't know it's community event really talk about things they're doing and at its core It's it's practitioners. So we wanted users to be able to speak and we had I think four or five different presentation for users All of them were remote, but we still brought them in but we had people on stage We had some great peekers clinton Coleman, you know was up on stage Sasha Rosenbaum What was up was up on stage many of them And we did lightning rounds with a bunch of the partners But switching between on main stage to hybrid a couple of minor technical glitches, you know, you understand streaming You know sometimes it's like oh our tmp had like a 30 second delay and then sorting some of these out But for the most part it went well and you know, I think it was a great experience here Hybrid is here to stay. Yes. I mean, you know great to see where they were announced where we're going to be in Valencia in Detroit next year I don't know if next year gets back to as big as what we had before How long will that take amazon reinvent is only going to be 15 to 20 thousand later this year So hybrids here to stay, you know, it's nice. We don't necessarily have to go in person But you can go build relationships. I mean, I love just in the morning I'll sit down at a table and you know meet some people that you know, you never would have met online or You know in a chat. So there's there's that um, but yeah comments was awesome We had good attendance people engaging online and in person and just being able to you know Soak it up and learn new things and meet new people is it was fantastic again in terms of the knowledge It was given also like you said this hybrid platform is here to stay so with that Our next guest here is caslin fields who's a developer advocate with google and um, she had a keynote today So come on down caslin. It's the first time ever as again. We talked about sir. It's the first time I actually seeing like one of my dear friends like one of my favorite pen pals So welcome to the daily recap uh, caslin With your cape awesome fluent It's okay There we go Hello and welcome everyone. Oh wow, I can hear myself in the headphones. That's great. Cool. Yeah So hey, do you want the first question or you want or you want me to handle? So so caslin for great job on the keynote and and love some of your artwork I love the the mixture of creativity and technology. Tell tell us a little bit of how that fits into your work. Yes Oh, I love it. Um as I was just telling a few people earlier people were asking me what I do here and Like we're all trying to get to know each other So a lot of people ask about hobbies and I'm like well, I do art And One thing I was telling everyone is I have way too many hobbies and the only way I can have that many hobbies is to combine them so That's kind of how I got started combining art and technology and another reason I do it is because It's really boring to look at really dry diagrams all day It can be really hard to communicate technical information in a way that's fun and will stick with you So I wanted to use art to make Technical information more eye-grabbing so that'll stick in people's heads better. Yeah, thank you depth of the stock image. Yeah So before I get into my question, I want to just make sure that folks are also following cloud native dot tv Again, we were honored and privileged to have our we had our fourth thousandth follower during kubecon Excited because you know We you know, we built this all together. See there's caslin's show. She has a show on cloud native tv. It's called fields tested So my question to you is this is um, you know talk to me about your keynote Tell me about the inspiration of the keynote and you know, how do you feel it went today? Yeah, so a fun fact That I think a lot of people wouldn't know because it wasn't clear this time is actually that was google sponsored keynote as diamond sponsors, they got a slot in the keynotes and Just a five minute slot And so the powers that be whoever is in charge of deciding these things Said we want someone from the community who knows what they like and knows what they want to give this keynote and so they Gave it to me at which I was amazed and super excited about humbled by And so I said great. This is google's keynote. What do you want me to say to people? And they were like, you're the community expert do what you think they'll like And I was like, okay So I worked with some of our folks who work on open source big reveals on a daily recap today big reveals everyone See that investigative reporting stuff So I work with the folks who work in these sigs and work on these projects for open source And I was like, I want to tell people about your work and that's what I did Incredible and so like My question to you is again in terms of like keynotes in general like what do you think makes a good keynote? Oh, this was my first time giving a keynote by the way So we'll classify it with that But I have watched a lot of keynotes And I told this story on twitter One thing I was really excited about with this keynote is when I was first starting to go to conferences in about 2016 2015 something like that Um, I was amazed at the the pump The hype at tech conference keynotes. They'll play all of this exciting music And there'll be all these flashy lights and then they start talking about databases And I always thought it was a bit of a disconnect And so when I was watching these one time I turned over to my mentor and I said, you know One of these days I'm going to be on that stage and I'm going to earn the hype Oh, you definitely brought the heat today Honestly, I got you know, I'm I'm you know, I'm like your biggest fan like you know that like like I literally like We'll print out the you know the fields test and put on the refrigerator. You know like like, you know, so But like I you know, I would but but like again, it's it's good that like again You were the awesome like abilities are being like highlighted out there Like and you know, it's a it's a privilege to see it like and a common thing among really great keynotes is the passion Right. Yeah, it's all about people showing off those abilities and the things that are they're great at and that they love I think that's what makes it great. Yeah, and caslin. You're so right because you know, if you get the right person They can make databases interesting. It's not just, you know, columnar versus this and that and everything But you know, that's why this community. I mean Let show your inner geek, you know, really enjoy that thrive in it And maybe that will connect for the for the audience. Yeah, I have a friend who Anything he talks about if he's passionate about it, do not care. I'm gonna listen all day long That's how I kind of figured out, you know As long as you're excited about what you're talking about And it might be something you didn't think was exciting it start at the start of it But if you have to talk about it, maybe you figure out a way to make it exciting to you And then it'll be exciting to everybody else I ask you this and you know the same question we asked before and that like, you know, what are you looking forward to this week? Ooh, what all is going on this week? So I have another one session here at kubecon. It's a panel Where I'm working with Kunal, you know Kunal Never heard of him Also on dot edu Also on cloud native tv follow, please. Yeah Smash that like and subscribe and also Bart Who has some exciting things going on who also has a show called artist code. It's not up there yet No, I think it is. Yeah, right there. Oh my gosh, it is. Yeah Yes Bart and Kunal and Chris short Who does not have a show up there, but he does like podcasting. He does so many different things So we're all members of the contributor community here in kubernetes and we all really care about getting new people involved so the panel is about Teaching people ways that they can get involved that they might not have thought about at first A lot of people think oh, I have to know how to code and go I have to understand all of this stuff about kubernetes get involved. You don't really there's a lot that you can do kubernetes is giant So there's a lot of different skills that are needed and a lot of different activities that we need to have done So we want to have lots of different types of contributors. And that's what the panel is about and then uh google has like a A virtual booth on slack. So i'm checking out the slack Environment, I love that because it combines the virtual folks with the in person Yeah, it's interesting because google does not have a physical booth here at the show But you have quite a number of speakers here. You've also got your own virtual event Going on at the same time. So Yeah, it a little bit interesting to see because you know google usually is a pretty large onsite permit Participant here. We had an awkward timing thing with next being at the same time and everything But we're still here doing lots of cool stuff So i'm online with the slack channel talking with people on there So the panel and the slack i'm curious how we were talking just a bit about just being hybrid and reaching that audience and participating You know, you want to talk and meet and with everybody here But you also need to feed that audience how we find in the hybrid nature so far because it's something We need to learn about because we've done virtual now for a year and a half now hybrid is like another relearning Yeah, it's very interesting. I was very curious how it's going to go and we're only one day in So i think there's still more to learn here definitely But so far i've been impressed with Like i was talking to some folks in the showcase some people felt like it was kind of empty But i really felt like there was a lot going on There were a lot of people walking around at those conversations that we've missed during virtual where you just run into somebody and you start talking about What's on their shirt? I see you must like lopafet Mandalorian i don't know i'm not that all the mandalorian types but um Yeah, so you just have these random conversations with people and that's happening here, which is really exciting. This is the way This is what i did there See what you did there Yeah, my comedic timing is a little bit off I know it was great um But the virtual folks are who i really want to hear from right now Like how is this conference going for you? I've heard several people here saying I kind of want to do a mixture. I want to be in person for some stuff But i want to watch some of the talks online at home so that it's less commute time or Just a little bit more convenient for me when i'm getting ready from in the morning or whatever So folks are appreciating the the options that they have even if they're here But i'd be curious to hear how it's going from a virtual perspective Yeah, I think again, that's the one thing like being able to reach out I think folks we talked about earlier in the hallway track is just going into the channel and being able to say Hey, what's going on people are applauding people's talks and keynotes, which is great But also you think about it your your folks because of this probably, you know, it's it's hard for them They're probably watching watching the recaps after versus like being live So, you know, it's kind of like, you know, we want to check in on those folks and to make sure that they're they feel part of part of it So any shameless plugs before we let you go off and Enjoy the parties and all the fun stuff I already talked about my panel in the The google cloud slack booth virtual booth stuff Of course, we already talked about necks going on at the same time as well I'm trying to think if there are any other exciting Things for me to plug Gks been doing a lot of really cool stuff lately Definitely check out the google cloud blog if you want to see that stuff. So I'll plug that I guess Yeah, I think that's about it Well again super excited to have you on the show and thank you so much for your awesome keynote and Come off into the night and enjoy yourself Yay fun. Thanks Kaz. Thanks for having me Action packed day already stew. I mean Dream come true here Dan. I am sensing a theme With some of the guests here with the backdrop here Since we got a second here, um, I need to put you on the spot. Oh, no the cloud native community cookbook tell us a little bit about this and You know your your your own recipe that you have here. So the awesome folks at equinex metal Project in the cncf called tinkerbell They kind of have this git repo where they you know said here's the recipes for You know stuff and so I actually put in my Caciopepe, which is like it's basically like italian mac and cheese And so I mean it's like the signature dish if you go to italy It's like, you know the fresh made pasta, you know, it's like a very simple but classic dish And like I said, if you have simple and good ingredients and you just combine them in such a way that's like, you know easy and all that But it's literally like four ingredients. It's like, you know olive oil well more like five, but you know But I have in here if you go into the thing I'm like don't be using like the craft mac, you know the craft cheese You got to go for the good stuff, right? And I think I said I'll I'll kick you all out of cloud native If you do get the cheap stuff, but you know, it's it's it's a it's a wonderful thing. This whole thing is fine I mean, it's great. There's stuff from andy randall Folks from like container solutions, you know, it's it's literally the who's who in the space I just loved being part of that. So I need an autograph. I will autograph. It's yeah right there. That'd be awesome Yeah, this is great. Again, one of my heroes is asking for an autograph one of my heroes like Let me talk about this, right? Everyone says and I've had him on the popcast episode 50 everyone Popcast pop if you want any more details, but um I've had stew on and Demand is a legend to me and and I've learned so much from you and in like how you you know Even being here and watching the little stuff that you did. I was like this is like a dream come true for me So I thank you so much for being on the show We talk about community pop and it is you know Shows like this where I've had so many people that have watched videos that I've done Lots of people that I have interviewed over the years here It's about I learn as much or more from them as they do That skill set of being able to sit and just be natural and just kind of go with the flow It it takes some time and you understand you learn and you know I watched lots of media people and things like that and luckily I had some you know Production people the people behind the scenes that watch there It's like if you ever do video listen to them. They know what they're doing It's like hey, you're doing that weird thing or you've got this verbal tick or You know they will give you feedback on that and then you you work to adjust it So like anything else it can get better over time, but uh, yeah No doubt. No doubt. So hey Couple of folks are sorry this couple folks are running a little bit late So I have somebody that's actually joining us From um, he his name is adrian goings. He's he's from rancher. He's gonna come on and talk to us a little about his day Here at cube con adrian It's gonna come on up So I he I don't know is that a that's a one-wheeler. That's a one-wheeler. Wow. Yeah, absolutely I'm not familiar with the one-wheeler. Oh, yeah. No, I know a couple people that do the one-wheeler. So, uh, oh, you're bringing it on Okay, he's bringing it up here. You never know what's going to happen. We can have props I would have brought my little so you know my star wars droid that I made this week Hey, hey, good to see you So, yeah, so so Yeah, so it's a state your name In the day Say my name. My name is adrian goings So so adrian in what company are you with? I am with susa formerly of rancher So so talk to us about you know cube con in general like what are you enjoying about, you know being here and all that I think like everybody else. I'm enjoying it being in person again I mean, I know all of you who are watching out there like you're not here, but maybe you are The in-person stuff is nice. It's a smaller event. So it almost seems cozier Um, you know, we can all complain about how it's not mobbed like it was the previous times But I actually find that the conversations that we're having are more sincere more genuine And there's fewer people just like doing drive-bys at the booth Well, well, yeah, adrian that was one of the things you actually have a little bit more time And the people that are here you can you can actually have a conversation not the usual Okay, I've got 20 minute blocks of you know running from person to person and there's a line of people at the booth So, uh, yeah, it's also it seems less gimmicky Um, like I remember at previous events we had like spin the wheel to win some swag Just so we could get a line of people at the booth and now it's like people are genuinely interested in what we're talking about All in all, I think it's a much more positive experience And in terms of like do you feel safe in the spot? Like again, I you know, Priyanka talked about it in her keynote earlier this morning You know, do you feel like you know, the the proper steps have been done. Oh, absolutely I was at the open source conference in seattle a couple of weeks ago And that was the first opportunity to really experience what the linux foundation was doing with the clear pass and the vaccination stuff and I felt I felt unsure going into that but I felt better almost immediately after attending it and I knew that this was going to be Amazing. I find that overall the participants have been For the most part participating um in all of this stuff, but but the general consensus I think is Well, my personal feeling is that it's absolutely safe No doubt And what what are you excited about some of the stuff that that susie's doing right now that you kind of want to share with uh, stew and I oh my gosh uh, we have There's so much going on at susah that i'm not even aware of but the stuff that i'm most excited about are the Innovation projects related to the new open source things that we have coming out So somebody was asking me earlier of all of the stuff that's going on. What what is the most interesting? Rancher desktop is amazing. So that's a kubernetes on your desktop and they just integrated that with nerdy ctl So you can actually get almost a docker cli compatibility from continuity kube warden, which is uh admission policy Inside of kubernetes clusters using web assembly so you can pre compile your policies as binaries You can use the same one in all of your clusters everywhere in dev and qa and production they're Considering making like a hub for that so you can actually download policies that other people have built and uh and then get the acceleration that comes from community sharing um If I had to pick one more Trying to run through the list my head opinion was also pretty cool opinion is a new Well, there was rio for those of you who know rancher there was rancher rio Which was really cool until they stopped building it and then it Well, it was still cool opinion is kind of the the evolution of that. It's a developer targeted Push solution So I don't call it a framework whatever you deploy it into a kubernetes cluster And then your developers can just literally push their code. It'll build it'll run It'll link everything together without them having to necessarily understand what's going on behind the scenes or you know The stuff that developers allegedly don't even care about They're like kubernetes So so um, let me ask you this in terms of like what are you looking forward to doing during the week? for I am uh, I'm a booth slave I I come to events I so I'm doing live streaming from our booth and the partner people bless them Put me back to back from 10 30 until five every single day. I get like two half hour breaks Uh, so the things that I'm most excited. I'm not doing one wheeling to the hollywood sign I wish that I could go to other things that are happening actually at the event, but it's just It's just not gonna happen So hey, so you got any questions for yeah, I guess adrian. It's interesting. You know, I mean, I've known Shang and Shannon since you know before the kubernetes days rancher, you know started out in the container space It's it's like the desktop product is you know sounds like an opportunity with what docker made changes in there um Yeah, how much you know is some of the tooling just focus on developers versus You know building kubernetes and all the other projects on top of it. I think so at I feel Yes, the opinions I'm about to state are my opinions. They're not the opinions of my employer I feel that kubernetes and I've been saying this for a while kubernetes is almost a commodity at this point so we've all like There's no differentiation in deploying kubernetes clusters. There's there's less differentiation in making kubernetes accessible and and Oh god, I can't even say I was going to say flattening the curve, but that means something else now They used to be I talked about the learning curve of kubernetes was almost vertical And so what rancher was doing was was trying to To soften that so that you had the ability to use kubernetes without necessarily needing to take the time to learn it You can learn it on your own time But even that now it's like, okay people know how to use kubernetes now So the the story that everyone's telling is is the developers like oh the developers are this They're these mythic beasts in the forest that nobody knows what they want And I don't think that that's necessarily true I think that that we need to get kubernetes We need to really play on the kubernetes as a commodity We need to make it so kubernetes is so easy to use or the people are so comfortable using it That that they can leverage its power in whatever way they want that might be with developers That's I don't know. They're still an operation story there as well I just think we need to get more people using it Like I changed my linkedin profile tag once I figured out that that was actually separate from my job title To say kubernetes is easy Because I I believe that if you if you tell yourself that something is hard, you're right If you tell yourself that something is easy, you're right You still will have to do work to learn how to do it But like all of us who know how to drive at one point that was an impossible task Right, but now we know how to drive. It's the same thing with kubernetes or anything else So any parting any last uh, that's not last words. Last words. No many pots Oh I believe that everybody has the power within themselves to do anything that they want to do So if you have a dream, don't let anybody tell you not to do it Don't let anybody tell you that you can't and I don't know who I'm talking to or which camera I'm even supposed to be looking at Don't listen to anybody else Just do the things that you want to do and believe that you can for no other reason Then because you believe that you can and you too will be right That applies in anything that you're doing whether it's in this space or anything else in your life That's a profound words from mr. Adrian goings. Thank you so much for being on the daily week You're welcome. I gotta run. I'm late for dinner. See you later buddy. Thank you later Stu it's been action action packed today my friend. Yeah, yes, hoppin people coming on and off Your your introduction to the one-wheeler. Yeah, I mean You you never know what you're gonna get on the day the recap In san diego, uh, the the the electronic scooters were definitely hopping I tried them a couple of times in san diego. No way. I would use them in la There's big signs on them. Do not use them on the sidewalks. That's the only place they use them here So la I've enjoyed it a little bit. Um, the weather's been perfect for us here. But uh, yeah, not using the electronic scooter No doubt. No doubt. Hey, I want to introduce somebody else. So like so basically Hey, you also like uh priyanka vjoy and steven are in a uh a board meeting thing They're coming right out and uh should be fit momentarily, but I'm gonna invite somebody. He's frederick kutz He's from the spiffy spire. He did a really good talk on software supply chain Which you know, it's probably one of the hottest topics here at cubicle on this. Yeah, absolutely So I'm gonna bring him up frederick frederick Come on up Come on up. You can come up. Come on Just come on All right, maybe next time frederick, uh frederick, you can't come on right now. So hey, I think we have Let's see Gary from cisco will be coming in one second. So apologies y'all just like You know the way it is the hustle and bustle of the week everybody has meetings and you know how You know it is so It is the the internet's coming to the show floor soon So maybe they're just all getting in line. We're getting ready for that double double. That's what we're doing animal style So, yeah, so I have uh, this is gary. Uh gary kvorkin gary kvorkin I've I've been at many many conferences with gary over the years. Uh, it's he's a friend. It's great to see him Yeah, we'll get him on for for 18 die. But gary come on up. We need you What's that? Yeah, we watch on here. Come on your family Okay No worries, no worries. Okay, so still we got to kill a couple minutes. What do we do? What are we gonna talk about here? All right, so here's what we're gonna do We're gonna talk about something that's near and dear to all of our hearts to talk about kubernetes our lord and savior kubernetes so, um You know, you've been in the game a long time and you've seen this from the very beginning What do you see? I mean even with what you're doing right now with open shift, which to me is probably I am a very big fan of what everything that's going on with red hat I think open shift is is great from enterprise perspective and all the things that you all do talk to me about the evolution Well, it's interesting, you know, but building off what adrian was just talking about It's we want to talk less about kubernetes something I'd been saying at this show for a number of years before I joined red hat is We better be talking more about cloud native Then we are about kubernetes because it's the ecosystem. It's all the other pieces. It's everything we can do on it You know, by the way, you know something a lot of our customers are turning to us and saying oh and when I go to the cloud You can manage that for me on a cloud service and you know Great, you got an s re team awesome I can then focus on building things on top of it because kubernetes is an enabler. It's not the thing It's like what the internet was it's like what linux has done for the entire ecosystem kubernetes is great But it's not magic. It's a pretty thin layer There's all the other things that it enables and starts on top of it. So, you know, that that that's what's been powerful So, you know, yes, we still talk a lot about kubernetes, but you know, right secure supply chain Oh my god I heard that the event on monday was packed and absolutely something, you know, we hear we had some speakers from the red hat side That are part of it um Yeah, I mean, you know Security can't be any more important. It's already like, you know job zero and everyone is involved, but We need to watch that software. So it's a supply chain without a doubt and actually here comes our next You know our next guest up here, uh laki come on up Come on up. Yeah, you Yeah, yeah, we're live Yeah, here he is everyone lachlan evinson from microsoft Running for the steering committee of the kubernetes steering committee at all. Please make sure you give a boat boat to one of my dear friends This is the court's over the thing. The court is over the thing. Yeah There you go. There we go. Okay. Excellent. Do you know stew many men? I do. No, i'm sure the bay bruth The bay bruth the bay bruth of what we do excellent. Yes That's what laki and i get to sit on a panel tomorrow to talk about what's next In this space excellent. Yeah, i'm excited phenomenal me too phenomenal So hey, so actually so again another host you had some stuff going on earlier Before we bring up vjoy from sisco Talk to me about What's going on with you and you have you have a keynote tomorrow, don't you? I do. Yes, we do and talk about the keynote Yeah, I think uh, some interesting things if I was to start with the keynotes today Um, I had the fortunate privilege of sitting in the room. So that was great. I think there are a couple of highlights for me I think uh seeing dorota From a tnt. So a tnt becoming a member of the cncf was great You know that speaks to me having that representation from the telcos coming in It speaks to the maturity of the cncf and and the things that we're building in the cncf So I think that was a great milestone. I felt really good about seeing, you know that kind of faith in The cncf and the projects there. Um, so that was a great highlight You know this morning for me is seeing that kind of commitment from the folks over at atnt so commendable Um, and I really like katie's end user. So I love, you know, I was like, oh, there's going to be a virtual keynote in amongst it Oh, but it really worked like the the production quality was fantastic and katie's message and the new certifications they launched were Fantastic. Um, so that was kind of you know, my my two big takeaways I still like that you brought that up because that is something It's been challenging for this event is the end users usually are up on stage giving a lot of presentations And we were just talking about we held open shift commons yesterday We had a few end user speaking all of them were virtual Yeah, so that's been that mix of who's in person and who's not so there haven't been as many end user speakers in the event But I mean that's the driver for this event in this community. It's not just a bunch of vendors making stuff It's the the end users are part of it They contribute they they work with all of us in the ecosystem to drive this and that's been one of the great success stories of the cncf Oh, absolutely. Can we talk about tim peppers talk? Yes, please do we need to talk about that? I mean it was So I saw tim in the hallway So I was getting real emotional and you can do the set up here for like what actually happened for those who didn't see it But um, you do the whole spiel man, you know tim tim actually got up and his message was about being seen And he shared his personal experience about his heritage his native american heritage And how important it felt he felt like an outsider at these events So it was all about, you know building inclusive and being seen and representation So as part of that, you know listening to tim share his story, which he was really vulnerable on stage, you know And I really appreciate that because I can't imagine how challenging that is to get up on stage and share that message He had some some local native americans From, you know first nations people actually get up whose land This was that this event is being held on this part of la Get up and do a welcome. We call them welcome to country in australia But a welcoming ceremony and we you know, it was just it was extremely touching and You know, I was I said to tim I was actually tearing up just seeing, you know, those beautiful cultures And having that representation and seeing them on stage and knowing that, you know They had this land before it was la and and you know, they were here So it was incredibly touching for me and I I really commend tim for taking that, you know Pushing that forward and getting that in front of the the audience. So kudos tim I really am still touched and blown away and I did see tim afterwards and told him, you know, you had me in tears Yeah, it was wonderful. And again, you know talking about indigenous people being on indigenous people day that, you know, we have this and I you know Props to to tim for like and having just the the the bravery to you know And also just to be able to be, you know, so Humble and just to being able to just be so so, you know, visible about this very amazing very amazing cause Yeah, of you know folks And being seen So, yeah, I mean this week again, we have our your keynote is and we is there anything else that you're looking forward to this week I mean, so yeah that keynote that i'm doing tomorrow. I think it's gonna be interesting I'll have a garden this week Yeah, yeah, I gotta get to that. I got a reservation I think They're calling me up on the phone right now You know the the story I'm sharing tomorrow and not to spill all the beans is a story about how the community came together to collaborate on big things, right? And and this is a it's it's steeped in, you know, contributors from all over The place, you know red hats had a massive part in this Google's had a massive part in this but it's about a five-year journey to deliver this massive Feature set into kubernetes and everybody how they had to come together and the power of that strength So I won't you know, I won't spoiler alert it, but it's really just it's more a message about hey We can do hard things together and you know, this community is super strong So I you know as we compiled it. It was like, you know that You know resilience that resilience message Realized is the message of this conference and I really wanted to highlight You know, we are still resilient and we are doing hard things in these communities and they are coming together, you know these large companies and it's um, you know project or Project over company. So I love that message. So hopefully, you know, that'll resonate with folks in the audience. So check it out No doubt. Hey, do you want to stay on here while we have vjoy on? Sure, I don't mind either way. I'm happy to hang out here or you can you can kick me off. Either way, I don't mind Love to have you here Hey vjoy vjoy come on out This this crowd out here. You can see how many people are out there. It's pretty incredible, right? Just oh my god. How are you? All right Come on have a seat This is vjoy pande. He's uh, it's for your msisco etni group. Uh, welcome vjoy You know stew minimum vjoy and I do know each other. Yes. Great to see you Absolutely, we were trading notes on in case the audience didn't know This week actually is the 42nd anniversary of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy And for those that don't know 42 is a special number in it because it is the answer to life the universe and everything Just like kubernetes is I did not know that and then I had a key note today Which featured marvin the paranoid android from So it was just a coincidence. I thought you forgot to mention that that was like the the the reason for it because No, I did not realize that. Thank you for doing that. That is serendipitous. Yes So Well, you mentioned your keynote talk to us about the keynote vjoy. I mean look you did Hey, it's a little shameless plug on the pop cast last week. We talked a little bad And you said you you didn't reveal anything. I pressed I pulled all of my stew tricks out I couldn't get anything out of this guy. So tell me you're still figuring that stuff out So talk so talk to me about like you know, and what's going on what's with the etni Yeah, so it's basically so yeah just a little bit of introduction We are part of this group called emerging tech and incubation that constants found pretty hard to pronounce But I've done it multiple times is not that hard constants, but So this group actually is an internal incubator And we've been working on pretty cool tech as you can imagine And one of the pieces of tech that we're working on is around api security and reputation Which is a very relevant topic of discussion all through the conference this time And the project that we just announced today was called api clarity You can find out more about it at api clarity.io shameless plug But it's basically looking at api traffic and reconstructing All the open api specs for those apis And then it allows you to take a look at that make changes upload your own specs And then look at drift look at zombies shadows It's just a blessing in disguise. I can tell you that that's phenomenal And again, I tried to get them I tried to get it out of them on the pop gas And I couldn't get out of them and it's incredible like I said And I you know, I caught your keynote and I was like look that this is some this is Substantial stuff that's going to help people. That's what we're trying to do is communities trying to help people Understand what's going on with this technology distribute this technology secure this technology, right? And that's the way it came came about as well. I mean we deployed it internally We figured out a whole bunch of mess Inside one of our products. I'm not going to name which one, but We thought hey, this is useful internal to Cisco. It's useful to everybody else So that's how it came about. So we're pretty excited about it We have some contributors as well from 42 crunch and api metrics We want others to join in and contribute and grow this No doubt. Well, listen, I mean lock you any questions for no, I was I was in the audience to definitely pique my interest I think, you know for folks who already have services that are communicating dropping this in and getting visibility and actually Generating the open api specs. That's incredibly valuable. It's easy to come in and say well Why didn't you start with open api? But the reality is There are so many things deployed out there being able to drop something in without any code changes Which developer writes to write likes to write documentation Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just love the hey, we can version. We can do zombie detection And I just think the introspection without any code changes just dropping something in on the wire And when you revealed the you know the architecture, hey, you just did a was a module in envoy, right? Everybody's already doing that. We can plug this into the same stuff. We're already doing it's like Wow, how could I you know, how could I insert this into a service mesh? How can I you know start to level it up and and get these declarative api specifications and start to You know Move them over time. So I was you know, you definitely piqued my interest So you did pull a rabbit out of the hat this morning with that keynote. So, you know, I wish you all you know Every success with that project. I think it's that's meeting the need in the community to to have that kind of introspection So kudos. We hope so. We hope so. We also joined open SSF. By the way, that was the other big announcement Fantastic. Excellent. Congratulations. Very near and dear to our hearts to security and all of that. So that's wonderful And talk to us the impetus of that like like again, we know how how amazing the open ssf And if you haven't please make sure you check out the open ssf But like what what were the rationale behind that decision? So this was like down to the wire. I mean, I think A whole bunch of people are trying to get together and form this thing revamp it to some degree I think yeah software supply chain the security of software, especially You know, I think everybody we should drink every time you hear software supply chain A soft drink. Okay. Yeah, not advocating any drinks. But anyway, yes No, but I think if you think about how Code is being developed how applications are being developed. It's a lot of gluing together of things That exist in open source from third-party providers Wherever, I mean whatever makes the life of a developer easy And fast because that's the whole motor sovereignty. I need to move quickly because My app needs to be better than the other guys app, right? So I think if you think about that process Things are missed Things are dropped. You don't pay careful attention to things. So I think Due to all of those reasons This project I think is going to be pretty successful And it's crucial to all of us. I mean all of us were trying to be sass players out there in the market It's crucial to all of us to make sure that provenance security reputation uptime. All of that is taken care of Yeah Vdroy, one of the things that's been interesting is it's for a lot of us It's been 18 to 24 months since we've gotten together as a community as a whole That that's like what, you know, six to eight different versions of kubernetes brain new projects that have come up You know only about a I'd say a quarter of the people that I bumped to have to have changed jobs including myself In that time. So tell us when you're working. I mean emerging tech that area moves so fast What what your viewpoint is to looking back 18 to 24 months? Yeah, well, I think one of the things that People said was you can't collaborate when you're Virtual and you're locked down We found just the opposite. So etni was formed Back in may june last year After the pandemic started And we've been innovating we've been collaborating We've been brainstorming all virtually And I joke. I mean, I think two hours of my commute time I've spent in meetings and collaboration if we go back to physical I don't know where those two hours will come from every day. So I think etni itself has been looking at projects incubations inside of sysco API networking API security are the two ones that we've come out with already go to etni the sysco.com Check it out. Uh, but I think beyond that plug machine and I love every man Gotta do it But I think around data what happens to data and provenance and security of data and How can you drive insights? I mean, I know edge is a badly used overused word But I seriously think That data gravity and data volume Is going to drive the edge and there are all kinds of edge Locations think about a car think about a Starbucks location. We're not going to talk about fog computing anymore. Are we? You know, you might but I'm not going to talk about fog computing today But yeah, I mean, I think data is going to be huge and data is going to drive the edge as well So we're looking at data management. You're looking at edge. We're looking at security networking We're actually looking further and further out. So we have this framework which says How many degrees of freedom Is a project out from sysco's core. So we started like crawl walk run. We started with things which are Near and dear to our hearts and networking and security Now we're looking further and further out. So we're looking at health tech We're looking at supply chain the real kind not the software supply chain. So don't drink to that No drinks there Are we looking at supply chain? We're looking at again data. Which is pretty far out FinTech is the other place where lots of things are changing So it's a pretty cool place to be inside of sysco. I think I have the best job In sysco and everybody in etni has the best job in sysco. So if you want to apply You know where to go So with that actually somebody in chat java grunts saying hello from kansas city, missouri USA great chat. So I think you know, thank you good You know good on us kind of having this chat being open about what's going on in kubecon I want to ask the question here and that's what are you looking forward to I was looking forward to your keynote obviously because of the whole build-up last week But what is what is the thing you're looking forward to? At kubecon this week. So I think I mean just We were just walking down the floor today. I mean, I think it's been pretty Slim I would say and I think But the innovation doesn't stop So I think if you just think about the attendees the kinds of projects that are coming in The graduations that are happening the incubations that are happening I think just the sheer volume of innovation and features that Priyanka and others talked about today morning. I'm looking at that and going this community is awesome It's thriving and even though you see the floor And you think that one of the people it's not about the people who are physically present But it's all about the community that is growing some of the features that are coming in the stress around security the stress around Edge computing all of these things are what I'm looking forward to Fantastic joy I'm talking to the folks here Yeah Stu Miniman, I mean look this is literally the Babe Ruth of what we do Right. I mean look. I mean the crock hunter. I mean right here. He's right here It's great to see you guys. I'll meet you. No doubt same same here. So for joy. Thank you so much for being on the show We appreciate it. Absolutely pleasure. Thank you. Thank you So I you know again the board meeting finished up. We're still waiting for one person to show up But I mean at the end of the day, let's you know, let's kind of give some maybe some parting thoughts I guess I mean, you know, let's talk about this in general. What is what are the things that right now that you're kind of I'm going to articulate this. What are the things that you all are kind of thinking that we need to What are some technologies that you're thinking that are that we need to be You're looking into as part of kube content that you were kind of curious about like things like wasm and ebpf What are some technologies that you're thinking about that are cool that you want to look look more deeper into? Yeah, and I think you you kind of You know alluded to wasm and ebpf I think you know seeing those nascent communities form and I see you know This is kind of a gravity well to to build other communities and I I loved you know, I attended the wasm day and the service mesh day yesterday so I only have context about those two but You know these nascent communities rallying around gaps that they see in the ecosystem and and how they can plug into You know the community that we already have so specifically I saw the wasm conversation and you know, they had Architectures about how they're going to plug it into container ecosystems and how that fits into kubernetes and it's like okay They're building things and adding to this You know community that we already have so I think it's great that we're getting all the folks in in the room together And having them start to build these communities out and you know fostering that as part of those pre-day events I think you know, I would surmise that those pre-day events are going to become equally as big in the next You know 12 to 24 months and that you'll see massive communities at eppf coming up and you know wasm coming up And you know they will continue to develop so I think you know There's there's hope and excitement there and people are ready to you know get to work And a lot of these people it's not their first rodeo. So they're actually coming in They they were brought up and coming up in open source So now you know a lot of this stuff is is community based and and they know how to do it So they're just going to keep building and the rate of innovation is going to continue to go up Yeah, the the constellation of these technologies like there's a whole number Set of shows happening on get-ups. Yep. Uh, and so some of these things start as pop and I were talking earlier There's kubernetes, but then there's the cloud natv because so some of these things will spin off Have their life of their own they play in kubernetes would play outside of that But I tell you pop something's sitting here, you know I've been in the industry a little while here sitting back and I'm like I'm sitting here with sysco and microsoft I've worked with sysco my entire career. I worked on standards work with sysco and for the longest time is like Oh, well, you know sysco is the proprietary one and then they standardize it for the industry and things like that But i've been watching their journey in open source We're gonna have you know, steven come in and you know to talk about that, you know microsoft I mean it's obviously microsoft is like the case study now of a transformation and you know linux and microsoft You know go great together as opposed to right, you know back in the day. It was like that was the evil One one there so to watch those technologies to watch this as an industry Coming together to solve these challenges the thing that excites me It was one of the things that drove me to red hat is tech for good community open source We've got a lot more we can do and some huge challenges there, but together we can accomplish it Right and I think the evolution here is you know Around the time that the pandemic was coming up It was like well every company is now a software company And I kind of want to extend that and every software company is an open source software company And I think that's where we're going to get to this is just a way to build Compelling solutions to problems across you know a large group of collaborators And I I think that this is going to be the norm and and I love seeing these ecosystems evolved So definitely it's great to have all these folks in the same room and and pulling in the same direction So, you know, I'm excited about what the community is going to build going forward And you know it's what goes without saying I both of you and to a certain degree myself I've been in this community a long time seeing this evolution that we see here seeing these booths and You know seeing all these I mean you you came from like the you know You remember the open-stack world as well All right, you know before and you know like the infant world and all of those things Which are still going on now, but I'm just saying in terms of just seeing this from you know starting You know with 200 people in a room to like, you know the day of stuff and early cystic and all of that But like and seeing this to me is like, you know, our baby's growing up, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, and this is exactly we wanted to build, you know a durable community takes on a life of its own So, you know, it's it's great to see that happen By part and large the efforts of all the individuals that make up the community You know, they called a few out on stage this morning You know the the the people who are the pillars of this community and they're putting in work to make sure that it continues so well, you know back in the open-stack days there were sometimes those knockdown drag-out fights because You needed to build that stack and therefore it was like each piece had like an answer that eventually needed to win And here it's like, you know security There's not going to be anything that solves it and all of these they layer they work together The api discussion we were having here as to how how some of these pieces can work So when there needs to be there's some consolidation and working but you know other times You know that we can have let let a thousand flowers bloom. Oh, absolutely So our next guest is coming down the escalator right now. This is Priyanka Sharma who's the gm of the cncf All right. Oh excellent. We'll give her a moment to walk over. I do want to say, you know off the back of what vjoy was saying there was You know coming to this conference, you know, I think it's a vanguard for subsequent conferences and the fact that we can run them safely so, you know Being here and being on the ground and for the folks that have been able to attend. I know that it's not everybody It's great to see that there's progress in this space and for me, you know making new relationships with people and reupping the old ones and getting You know some shared break and bread getting some shared context together is something that, you know, it's still really important I don't think you get the same feeling on a slack or a zoom that you have but just go like being like, you know I mean, no, exactly I liken it to like I put my kids in in school last year on zoom, right At the end of the if kids the most, you know malleable set of humans on If it's hard for them to do school, you know, we can't expect that Hey, we can all just pivot to this virtual life and I know, you know, there's a world where these things both exist so I still there is still an important amount of relationship building whether new or You know old relationships and rekindling those and you need to acknowledge, you know There's been a lot of virtual burnout and it's been tough on a lot of people and it's different like coming here My feet are a little bit tired and at the end of the day. I'm a little drained. I've been hitting the caffeine You know a bit to come back here where I haven't needed to worry about that sitting at home Right, we've got to learn how to be social beings again, right? We haven't probably interacted with so many people in such a long time Hybrid is here to stay. I'm glad we've got Priyanka coming up because that is kind of the next phase of this There's going to be some of it right when it makes sense You can come, you know when it doesn't and you need to do what works for you too Yeah, absolutely. You've got the yellow bracelet there. That means yeah, absolutely. It is a great That is that is a great thing. So basically it was like, you know, there's signals for like if people want to talk to people You know, they have the yellow band or the green and all that so here comes Priyanka I'm gonna I'm going to uh relinquish. I'm going to say thanks for having us on I want to give the stage to Priyanka and I really appreciate to have a great conference and and thank you all online for showing up Appreciate it so much. I'll see you at the Olive Garden a little bit Absolutely. I'm going to go get that breadstick order in now All right, Priyanka is is showing up. Yeah, you come on up. You're right here. Yeah, we're ready for you Okay, either seat wherever you want to sit Hello Priyanka Sharma GM of the CNCF You know stew minimum, right? Absolutely. Great to see you. Hey stew So let's talk about your keynote this morning. Um, wonderful again One thing again, you know arresting Pete Dan Cohn. Um, amazing, you know, homage to him But let's talk about, you know, your keynote in general and then we'll get to the Dan part Yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, when I was thinking about, okay, what am I going to do for this keynote? I was like, well first half is covered. We're just so excited to meet in person, right? And that is true I I had so much to say on that what you heard was actually the filtered version So that was I just really wanted to celebrate the community and the people who brought us together And so that was what I focused on doing at first and then it really was I think We're at a pivotal point Actually, we're often at a pivotal point with cloud natives. I'm not saying something That's happening only now, but we are at a pivotal point in that our Numbers and the diversity of the types of people who come in in every aspect, right? Whether it's the job you do the company you represent your demographics Everything's getting more diverse And so I really wanted to remind the community that it is essential to remember the strongest power of us Which is the power of our culture. It is how we treat each other how we bring Something of ourselves into this group and then create something new because we can And we need to remember that as very different people join us So that was the essence of my keynote an inclusion aspect, which I think again I always say it I'd literally say that we have the best community in the world and it's all based on again But you know leadership the support that we have at the cncf level all of the projects that are part of this, right? You know all of the people that are getting involved and all that so it just it's a wonderful thing So let me ask you this in terms of this week. What you know, what are you looking? What other stuff are you besides the awesome keynote, but actually let's before we get into that I want to talk a little bit about, you know, the dancone scholarship. I mean, let's talk. Let's get more in depth on that Yes, so, you know As folks may or may not be aware Dan not only breathe life into team cloud native. He was in everything he did. He pursued diversity equity and inclusion Ideals and he did that It was almost second nature to him. It was if he's doing an initiative He's gonna incorporate di into it and I think it was just who he was He I am a recipient of his his point of view because he encouraged me so much He pulled me into talk sessions. He gave me opportunities like all the time and All I did was like constantly show up and raise my hand Yes, but this level of openness I'd not got from anyone else before so Dan just lived and embodied Who we want to be at all times and that's why we had to Honor him with this with this renaming of the scholarship fund Any thoughts duke So one of the themes of your keynote was team cloud native I you know, I think since you know the years I've been coming here I was saying this year after 18 24 months a quarter of the people I know changed jobs including myself If I go back the last five years, it's probably more like, you know, 60 70 percent You've changed jobs and the like so, you know that community employer Many of us in the open source community You contribute as part of your job, but it People change and the leadership is important. So maybe speak a little bit to that Oh for sure. Um I think to your point, right? We are team cloud native Before we are oh, I work at company x y or z and that's no shade to the companies none at all In fact, it shows that they celebrate people who are part of this ecosystem as their primary identity And I think that happens because in this community Paying it forward is the norm and that sounds like a cliched thing to say But as I was sharing in my keynote All sorts of people are doing things No one asks them to do just to make things more awesome here I mean Dan pop agreed to build out cloud native tv. No one forced him to do it You know you you've done so many great things from a media perspective from a storytelling perspective again You chose to do it and contribute, right? And I think there are so many people like that Most of us are all like that and that's why our identity comes from this community first And the companies that celebrate that rip the river rewards I think the cncf facilitates that though like being able to say like you have this space to be able to do these things You have a community that's going to support you You don't you didn't have that in other communities that were there, you know So like this is the thing that I think that the cncf nurtures to do that and we and we do it well So I'm gonna go back to the wait by the way time out Priyanka's dress amazing. I mean, you know Yeah, that was awesome. So, uh, she's also wearing some amazing kicks. I don't know if you can see them So, um, so let's talk about a little are you looking forward to for this week? What am I looking forward to just speak? I mean, I'm really happy I'm done with all the biggest things I had to do for the show. So yay party time for me No, and I mean it in seriousness because you know, this is the first time I have attended the show in person as The leader of cncf before I was having a blast as a community member So now I'm like, oh my day one is gone. And what was I doing? First? I was keynoting then I was doing press and media then I was you know, I just like I was on a treadmill and Tomorrow onwards what I hope to achieve is actually just immerse myself in community and hang out with people Go to show different talks and there is I mean the keynotes I'll 100% be there for and this time I would have zero stress I'll just be chilling enjoying the show. So that's major for me. And then the 10d party. I mean Who's not looking forward to having a party? I think this is the first party for most of us So, yeah, those are some highlights Yeah, speak a little bit to the audience here. I was so excited I bumped into a few people that are like relatively new to kubernetes. It's their first time oftentimes in the It's like, okay. How many people here is your first time? So there are The the hallway track is back in full full steam Many of us as you said like tomorrow wait If somebody bumps into you you might actually have a couple of minutes to talk to them Not I need to run to 17 meetings in a row. So that um diversity of experience Being able to help those entry people into the community Oh, I think That's like one of the best parts right and I actually look at the composition of the folks who are here and as you said a lot of them I wouldn't I wouldn't know if they're first timers because they may have actually attended a bunch of the virtual ones but they're first timers of the in-person event and So many folks are meeting. I'm like, I kind of know you online, but this is the first time I'm meeting you and That I think it's not just happening to me. It's happening amongst people quite a bit And so I've given like 15,000 hugs today and I don't want to stop All day Free hugs free hugs, but if you have the green plate racer, which I don't have right now, which by the way the system's great The green yeah, it's right there. Yeah, that's all right. It's so nice, right? I saw somebody with the yellow one and I was like, okay I just know not to be like And it's perfect. It's perfect, but um, sorry. Yes So I think a lot of us are meeting and feeling like we're all first timers in a way And that is a good thing because it's also gonna Reset our cultural experience off kubecon even though I've been there since like, you know, I think the second one onwards so everybody feels a little new right now and My my thing is to do what I did at the second kubecon or third kubecon, which is Hey, how are you? Let's hang tell me more And it's going well so far Fantastic Well prianka, we know you want to get out there. You've had a long day and all that we want to give you back your evening Thank you so much for being on the daily recap. Thank you so much for having me and thank you for watching all right, so We're going to go ahead and we're going to finish it out. I want to just stew I want to thank you From the bottom of my heart. Hey, I'm a fan first forever. It's been fun, man It's nice, you know a little bit different format than the kube, you know, not not the rapid fire You know deep dive it it it's quick with with the people but in and out and live I love it. It's very organic. You get to be real You know nice nice to see some guests and people I've known for years and some new people as we said This this community is so welcoming, you know, we all know what it was like to have our first time there And I tell you that's always, you know You know, I did a video on this when I left the cube and it's like can I put myself and empathize with the audience? You know those if you watch it remote and be like if you've been to events or you haven't you know Hey, we've all been there. It's all been the first time. I attended a conference search for my spoke at a conference You know, it's nervous and you know, it's okay You want to encourage people to have those you know those those talks and have that. Hey Hey stew, how are you? You know what I'm saying because you know There might be there might be somebody that wants to do something right and they don't they feel shy And they don't you know, they want to get into them get involved and get really, you know Deep in a specific subject if you're not nurturing the first time I wrote a blog and you hit publish and you're like Oh my god What if nobody sees it? But what if a lot of people see it and what what does that mean? And on video is some of there. It's like wow. Yeah It is interesting. So yeah, it's been a lot of fun to hang out. So thank you so much. Let's do this again, man Yeah, absolutely. Hey, I mean pop, you know red hats at a lot of these things and I'll do it Do I get the shameless plug? Yeah, I want your shameless come on cloud out red hat.com is where you're the thing if you want to see a lot from We joy over there, huh? All the stuff we have if you just google like red hat and cube con and the other thing The job board is back. So, you know at the show almost everybody here is hiring We've all got tags. I personally have a couple of wrecks So if you're interested in this space, you know dive in the tip is, you know, when you look through that and you're like Oh boy, it seems a little bit overwhelming. It's like, okay. Well, how much of it do you know? And yeah, you can pick up some of these things It doesn't mean you have to be you know the expert on kubernetes and you know all these things So, you know, you you can learn because um, there's nobody that has 10 years experience with kubernetes No, no, even though even though there was an article somebody was asking for that Which which is great. But anyway, that's for another show. So let's do thank you so much for being on the show all of our guests today and Have a great day. Enjoy cube con. I know I'm going to do for the rest of the week and I'm sure so should do as well Thank you all for joining the cloud native tv