 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 44 We actually do a full six pack but to begin the show There's only gonna be five of us. Jake Randall will be popping in a little bit later But that's all right because we have a lot of good stuff to talk about a lot of things happening in the world of Nintendo over the last week So we're gonna do what we always do and go around the room introduce ourselves and what have we been playing lately? So let's start with Eric Moore the wise Oh, I see Interesting. Okay. He didn't set that. I know I did not Paying attention during the breeze pre-show what you pay attention. Hey, I was playing switch Hey, look, let's play video games. You don't question. My only gaming time of the week Yeah, pretty much so hi everybody I've been playing the tears the kingdom a little bit of Mario wonder cool still kind of Are you on a world one yet? Yeah Did you do any of the special worlds? Yeah, didn't beat it Have you gotten the jump jump jump yet? Oh That's a tough early one. That's a tough early Yeah Really still have not beaten it without help from people online The little I feel a little like you could cheese some stuff, but I look it's I like it I like it to be honest. I like the online on Mario London. It It's all it's a lot different than other games. I don't I just I just like it. It works for me Uh, let's go. Well, since we start with Eric, I guess we'll just go to his left your guys has left his right I don't know Mike Odyssey back again What is going on? I'm back. I also Mario wonder I did beat the game, but I'm playing it again because I like it's it's it's a pretty pretty cool game and it has a Great way of replayability those things are awesome because they're so different that by the time you get to the end You've already forgot about the beginning and so we can start the beginning again. It's like a brand new experience Playing that and I also returned back to talk the world talk Kafka, which is here to the kingdom now and stores. I just started over so pretty cool, you know Experienced again. I'm afraid to start over. I Didn't delete my old save file. I just started a new file Another profile does all the team recommends that you do play the game again. You'll experience it differently Yeah, wow That sounds like the move. Yeah, so far I have like it's been different It's been a different experience from the right first one. Yeah, this one. This one is just relax It's no kind of like thinking my time will be like a year still and I'm still playing it just you know lack true I Yeah, I feel that because like the first time I played it was like a 12-hour stream And so it was like I feel like I was almost rushing because it's just like alright Let's see how fast I can beat this game and I feel like That you know what you've inspired me I might do that and do the same just have like a second profile for fun. Yeah. Yeah All right, Andres What's going on, buddy? What are you been playing? Well, you were playing something someday. I know I caught you mid-bite. I'm like this is great Currently I'm playing you because I'm enjoying an intimates doughnut cake Nice and ten minutes. I don't and ten minutes, you know and ten minutes Like the the different they give they make a whole bunch of different pastries There's no way We're all East Coast okay, I've lived in New York in Jersey and Pennsylvania not just Florida it exists Mike I know for a fact that is wrong. Yeah, it's definitely there Pastry delight Beyond that Intimate with your food He's really he's really going in on that Nobody knows what it is that's all I'm so sure we go figure out how to write it intimate like here's the thing here's the thing They were alive right now the chat can let us know if you guys heard of this because I definitely never Yeah, dude we have these all the time in California Reason Lauren Kirby see people know. Oh, okay. Well Aaron Rass saying not here in the Midwest Maybe maybe the Midwest doesn't have it and for that I'm sorry Midwest But Mike a lot of things you got to go to a grocery store, buddy Is he on his phone right now hold on I need to I need to go ahead I found this I found this in mint which is an enhancer or a performance enhancer or whatever Oh Bigger is better Yeah, there is in case you need to know how to spell it They do look phenomenal. Thank you taker Yeah, you always got an order online having delivered that's exactly what I'm looking for There's a whole bunch of different things they make they make a bunch of baked goods. It's great payments Anyways, it's a healthy only for your heart and not Some for other words so healthy for your soul. All right. So so what do you know what you've been eating? I'm still playing Mario wonder I'm In World 5 ish You know because they also have the the aisles, right like I've I've Yeah, I'm trucking through. I'm definitely passed a halfway point. I'm pretty sure Assuming that there's no secret ninth world Of a hundred percenting it so I'll probably be done sometime next week Sometimes this year no no next week. Yeah, this year. That's my son next week Unless you know something crazy happens next week that I have no time to play Mario wonder Man, we're already started already I'm not prepared for that to happen To be real you know It just gets out I do find I do find this interesting someone said hey They have it here in Kansas and it doesn't get more Midwest than that going back to the food And I sat down like Kansas is like dead Central US and I kept I kept looking about this they call us the Midwest, but we're actually Closer to the East than the West Are you the East Midwest like Wisconsin is considered part of the Midwest So is Michigan and yet we're definitely way more East Cuz And how they I know it's based on time zones, but like I don't it's based on back Yeah, back in the day that was We have it in Kansas. I'm like, it's not down south It is a little bit south of most of what's called the Midwest. So that's weird. I don't under I don't understand maps. All right, let's These terms I didn't draw the lines leave me alone I've heard I've heard of the brand they they sell it in our local publics like the little Yeah, I reckon there's a logo. Yeah, they they sell it. They don't they don't we don't have a store for that Would they just by the way? People are trying to yell at me about Kansas what I'm saying is I look at the map of the Midwest It is part of the Midwest, but it's literally the most southern left part of They consider Is east and north of it I always thought anything in the Midwest was north of the Mason Dixon line and Lachens none of them the west is west of the Mississippi until you get to the Rockies Yeah, we we didn't we didn't make these lines. This is just how it's The government drew up lines. I don't know. It's dumb. I didn't think it was a government It's like it's it's like Yeah, colloquial wisdoms and like historians. Yeah, well, I didn't make the lines I'm just I'm just looking at it and being like well That's why I didn't consider Kansas because they're literally the furthest away from the rest of the Midwest I need to really qualify as Midwest. I need to address the chat Taurus asked me how you doing buddy says hate to be a buzzkill, but let go of MP4 this year if by MP4 you'd be a Metroid Prime for Okay Yeah, I've never said I think well, I haven't said I think it's coming this year in over a year File format And making dot moves Nobody needs MP4s anymore. Yeah, I don't use MP4 files encoders We're to the old encoding way to for streams Yeah, dude, haven't we given up on Metroid Prime for this year a long time ago. It's a weird comment. Oh Yeah, yeah Like avoid we have the directing up like come on. Yeah Yeah, my hope is bigger for jet for February we're gonna hear some Metroid in February. That's possible All right for the lamb. What have you been playing lately? Um Not a lot because I've been traveling you've been messing with the Canadians I'll talk about my travel instead So I I went to San Diego for a little bit and then I went to LA I went to Mario World So I played Mario World. That was pretty cool. I got the band. Wait, where's that? You can see I got the little Placker to bug me back there. Yeah, I got the band. This is really cool for anybody who doesn't who's never done it This is definitely worth your money From our world technically it's a game because you get it's like an app you download, right? Yeah, it keeps track of all your points and you run around the park and you tap It's like the tap your on the walls and you play mini games around the park And if you do a certain thing you actually unlock a ride or experience not really a ride more of an experience that others Don't get so that was pretty cool That was definitely definitely worth it and then I went and saw in the same day the sonic symphony orchestra For for something that I just randomly did for 20 bucks. Yeah, one of the best experience concert experiences in my life 100% For they the first half is like very orchestrated and very like very pretty You know Sonic classical music and the second half is straight up a rock concert with all from all the 3d Sonic games It has original bands and yeah, it's it's pretty awesome. They're going on tour definitely recommend it These are all this is all still video game related, especially the sonic tour. Yeah They're coming to DC actually they're going to a few places in the US and around the world so if you can grab tickets to that they're really cheap and Box you can't be there as we box, you know, that's that's that's also gonna be an amoeba that was the world Oh, yeah. Oh, that's sick. I actually have all of all of them because when it's when it's in the open in Japan Japan Touch it touch it to my switch sometimes in I didn't know that so What I was you're probably like but Austin weren't you on planes weren't you playing things? I just kept speedrunning Mario 64 I'm not even gonna lie. I would just I just love speedrunning Mario 64 I'm so close to a sub 20 So on the plane I would never be able to get like an actual run-in because like you can't it's almost impossible to be Lj on like the old joy cons So I ask you so that's like the one trick That's impossible, but otherwise like I would be able to get like a ton of practice in and I'm like this close like a sub 20 It's it's really within my reach Mario wonder. I'm playing that to Mario tomorrow. That's I'm playing that tomorrow I haven't played it yet. I'm really excited to play it I've I've been trying to save it for content because I know I'm gonna love it and it's gonna be fun But yeah, that's what I've been up to. I mean I flew to oh, I went to twitch gone to Twitch gone the actual convention awesome great amazing The fact that it was in Vegas dog water because there's so much construction And they were trying to get ready for the F1 race and there's like a bunch of other stuff And there's like no public transit. So yeah, not not great But the convention was way better than was last year and I come in twitch for doing for that And they did a lot of cool stuff And then Canada was Pokemon, but we don't need to talk about that because that's car games. So Yeah, that's what I'm about to that's cool. It's a game nice. It's not in video form So I've been playing Mario wonder I did can't believe it. I did yeah, that's so surprising Mario wonder But when I say beat I don't really feel like I have just because I sort of completed the main Hmm story there. I haven't done like a lot of the bonus world stuff yet. So special world So I'm kind of going back and doing that stuff. Yes. I did find The level that everyone says is like one of the hardest levels in Mario history still have not beat it Um, I've attempted now. What is it? It's in the final special world. Yeah, okay. Okay. I haven't done that yet Yeah, um, there's I actually don't think any of the levels are like Yeah, there are some levels that are The healthy amount of challenge and if you don't focus you're gonna suck I'd say jump drop jump. I even struggle with myself, but I'm at the greatest I mean, I struggled like the jumping one. I think I died maybe 20 times But I was just kind of like You know when you when you kind of like you screw up and you just kind of keep screwing up because you're on a You're not on a tear you're you're you're you're on a dip, you know, you're you're definitely spiraling downwards you That happens But if you like reset focus because I found usually my best effort at a level is the first try And then once I screw up I get in my head until I calm down like no, no, this has to happen now Yeah, there's there's one level in the final Area that is I understand why people say it might be the hardest side scrolling Mario level that Nintendo never produced Not the hardest that exists because of Mario making or everything but yeah One of the one of the hardest that Nintendo's ever made and maybe the hardest I'm not like an expert Mario player So I'm not a good person to say this But other people that are kept saying it Yeah, and I was and I was just like oh they're just saying this to say it These are pro Mario players. This is probably nothing to them. Then I got to it and I'm like holy shit Yeah, yeah, it is it is They weren't they were I knew if they if they're struggling. I'm clearly struggling that and so Yeah, it's it. I don't know when I'm gonna beat it. I will beat them eventually because like I can't let myself I know about myself have a side any Mario level really online. It's probably a little easier I can't I can't leave it to sleep. Yeah, but I I haven't done it online. Yeah. Yeah, I've actually I don't consider that I haven't I look I beat jump jump jump, but I don't really I beat it because I I literally used me flying past half the course and popping my ghost I don't really count it. Yeah, I've been online a little Like I was playing online online more at first But the last like three like two and a half worlds I did without online I was like, oh, I forgot about online Yeah, yeah, I like the online and I will say Because some there are some challenge, especially in those uh, the side puzzle levels Yeah, the puzzle level So I like I like that uh, the online exists I think there's gonna be a lot of people that might not get through some of the stuff if they didn't have the offers I actually think it's a that's why I think it's a really brilliant system. It is. Yeah Oh, yeah, I was very unsure about it going in because we know what multiplayer has always been in mario And it's like, no, this actually really really works. I see why they must have played around a lot to realize Oh, we shouldn't do collisions. We shouldn't do this people should be on their own screens I I get it. I get it You know what, you know, what's funny though? I beat the game and not one time. I see I was kind of the asshole I the game taught you early on how to drop your little your little post so people Pop on it I forgot and never figured it out again after and so I'm the asshole playing online and not dropping a post anymore So I'm not helping anyone to be honest. They're only helping me if if dropping the post is difficult I would imagine you're not the only one It's a button. I just forget what button it is. It's a button. You don't press a lot normally Yeah, I'm with you. I don't think I dropped the post until I was like toward the end because I didn't know how to do it You know, it's like I remember teaching me in world one and I just I just but yeah I just kept going. I'm like, I don't whatever. I don't care about the stamp post thing. Oh Bad because I'm I'm beating certain levels because of others and I'm not helping them Damn, it's way to go away. Whole you're right. I'm that asshole. Um anyways, uh, and uh Dog doggy bring it up play the Lost Levels in New Super Luigi if you want challenge I have played that come on now. How many s from any s Lost Levels? Yes In the Super Luigi you though, there's a Lost Level area. Okay No, this is this is more difficult The this level yeah, this last level is in the challenge. It's harder than all those levels Anyways, that's just my opinion. Of course. Some people will will disagree. It is what it is Uh, that's all I played though because I did say once I beat mario wonder I'm not done playing mario wonder, but I would finally start up spider-man 2 So I have No, I'm not very much into it only an hour. So you know intro area intro stuff, but uh, really good so far No real complaints. I haven't run into any bugs. I know there's some people that are starting to say There's actually quite a lot of bugs in spider-man 2. I don't know. I haven't hit any yet But I'm too early and I would imagine A lot of the bugs probably happen once everything's open and you're out free swinging around and maybe you run into some Shit, I don't even what I've seen online seems very like You have to kind of cause it like that's a very this seems kind of like convoluted Like I'm not going to say like they're not impossible. Don't get me wrong But they seem like like spider-man turns into a cube It's like you do a specific set of things and then you get that tap, but it's not like like pokemon Yeah, it's not going to be like pokemon where crashes, you know, I mean like, I don't know I mean, I haven't played the game and I probably never worked. I don't want to play station, but like You know, I from what I've seen it doesn't look anything that crazy, especially maybe I'm just scorned as the pokemon fan That I saw these posted online that I think I might run into sometimes with sometimes some of the textures get messed up on the load Oh, yeah, and I'm like, why are you moving so fast through the world? Maybe I can imagine maybe there's an engine problem or a hiccup sometimes But again, I haven't ran into anything yet. All I have is positive things to say about spider-man 2 so far I'm having a great time. I loved the first one. I loved Miles Morales And no shocker that I was probably gonna end up loving this one. I really like spider-man and these are really good games So, um, I'm I'm having a good time, but I'm really early inside I don't have have much to really talk about right now Other than I'm having a good time and I can't wait to play more of it And it was nice to finally wipe the dust quite literally off my ps5 because I Haven't talked it and I might be the first time I played it this year I Think I played it on xbox. Yeah, because I played high-five rush. I was on xbox. When did horizon come out horizon come out That was last year last year. Okay. Yeah, I'm So like I don't know. I played final fantasy 16. Sorry Final 16, but I ended up not liking it. I put like five hours in and I might do this is just not what I want Final fantasy to be at all And I just dipped out. I tried one more time to get back into it and it's like no I this just It's a fundamental issue. I have was just how the combat and everything. It just isn't what I want For some reason it didn't help that right before final fantasy 16 came out. I finally played my final fantasy 7 remake For the first time I finally played it and I fucking love what they did with that And by the way, I can't even say it's nostalgia. I never played the original final fantasy 7. Okay So this is like literally the only time I've ever played final fantasy 7 was this remake and my god, I love it But then I went to final fantasy 16 and it's so jarringly Not good in comparison in my opinion It's life everyone likes different things in games. It's kind of like zelda There are some zelda games people love some zelda games people don't because every zelda games Besides the last two are like so fundamentally different in many many ways um so Even the last two you can say I love them. Yeah, even the last yeah, I love every zelda game But I understand people that are kind of like Yeah, I wasn't really in the skyward store, but I do love awkward enough time But then I really went into phantom hourglass, but then I love the see I like all the opinions to be fair I still think phantom hourglass sucks. That's the only zelda. That's like the black I'd rather play the cdi zelda's just to be honest and get out. Yeah, I'm you're saying it wasn't the cdi I don't know about that, but get out rather get out of your podcast Get out of your podcast. I'd rather play them because at least I can laugh I need to play spirit tracks. I never got a chance. You know what it's a too late to download spirit tracks onto my wii you Yeah, yeah, it is Um Anyways, something I haven't played lately I'll mess with jake in a little bit because he said he'd be here by now, but that's all right We'll get into our first topic while we're doing here because uh, you'll get it all over again We've got four top well three topics and then we have our q and a so Ds. Oh, I have a working ds. I just need to find a spirit track. You know get your totally not hacked Uh Although I get to see us all go into the little access thing and you see us all pop up in the dock I don't even want to try to talk and everyone cuts them off. No, it's fine. All right, Eric. Go ahead There Jockey there he is there he is Before we hop into our first topic What have you been playing lately buddy What have I been playing lately? Yeah, you're here like right in time because we started like a half hour late What do you what do you think who are you? Uh, I assume it's fighter man too, but I I don't know you were playing some horror games this week What's what's okay? Oh, yeah, I forgot. I did play through the um, I don't know if you played anything because you were doing The live streams. Yeah, I uh, yeah, I played through house of ashes and then um, what else am I playing every week? Marty wonder, I have no idea what you're playing every week. Okay. Come on heart gold. Come on Really he's on the pokeline grind Every time pokeline comes up. I I literally take my headphones off and stop listening. I spaced out All right, everyone has their likes and Jake what am I gonna see you at uh, oh, I can buy spirit tracks and phantom hourglass I don't know man. I don't know that's right now I got a maybe maybe next year. Maybe next year. I'll start Next calendar year or next season Like at some point during 2024 At some point I'll hold you to it All right, uh, well jakes here perfect timing for our first topic Uh, because we get to talk about the future of mario kart Uh, I thought this was a good topic given that you know They just announced that when the final dlc is dropping on november 9th Featuring let's see here. We have the acorn cup that's going to have uh, the tour rom avanti And then we have dk mountain coming back from double dash We have daisy circuit from we and then piranha plant cove And it's also adding the spiny cup featuring the the madrid drive from mario kart tour Rosalina's ice world from the 3ds and we have a super circuit spousers castle and we's rainbow road They're also going to be adding the playable characters of diddy kong who which first appeared in double dash funky kong who was on the we and then pauline and p chet Which p chet has been trending ever since this happened people are having quite a lot of fun with p chet for some reasons How how humbling do you think it was for diddy kong disturbing that i'm seeing Sorry, what there's some disturbing p chet things i've been seeing Well, what i want to know is how humbling do you think it was for um for diddy kong? to have his own kart racing franchise And then not only have it taken away from him Have him literally and he knows barrels bent over one And then you need to be In his competitions game But he was first put in it already back in double dash so right right I'm just what do you think that was like for him just to be bent over like that? I think he just likes to take it listen listen listen listen Diddy kong not just a slice of fame. He thought he could have his own game Roll his own boat, you know I already have issues with with I got a question for you guys. They all get their time. Yeah spotlight Diddy kong has been in at least one other racing series. What is it? where cart Besides besides mario kart besides mario kart and diddy kong racers That's not the one I had in mind if that's I don't know. I assume you're joking. Yeah, it's a joke. I did Okay, I'll give you another hint. It was on the nintendo. We I know the chat has this Oh, was it like me racers or something? Oh, don't make me vomit on camera Was it was the m&m kart racing? Oh true. I'm surprised you guys don't know this Wait, is it another mario kart game or is it different? Is it a nintendo racer that diddy kong has has been in that it's not Let's make andreis vomit. Come on guys doggy kong racing game Yes, it was a dk was he in the weaver All-stars racing Yeah, there you go. That's a good one when the answer is already out there. We said dk bro No, I bet I think it's um, it's probably like nicolodeon all-stars racing But there was also that cancelled donkey kong racing for game people that never came out Oh, it's probably what barrel blast became. They probably just took all the assets from that and just In the original it's not even the same thing. What does that mean? I've never played barrel blast Shots and stuff and I'm sitting there like Wouldn't you just After the diddy kong racing Excuse me. I'm sorry. I didn't catch that That's for the diddy kong racing I wanted to just kind of be like the same because it's just another donkey kong racing game Um, I don't think I heard you correctly, but I don't think I like what I heard I'm be smirching two different games the same. Are you saying that they're just basically the same thing One's like a spiritual successor to the other because they're both the donkey kong characters racing No, that's like saying Kirby air rides a spiritual successor to Mario Kart 64 No, because Mario Kart 64 and Kirby's Air ride are not both racing games and they're not both featuring donkey kong characters and mario like do they have the same They are both racing games. Okay. All right. All right. Let me rephrase That's like saying poke end tournament is a spiritual successor to tech and But they're those are two different franchises diddy kong is part of donkey kong Full poke end tournament is based on it is poke end as it's a playoff pokemon and tekken One's pokemon and one's tekken care. I understand that what all i'm trying to tell you is I guess I can't think of an example Where there's been a series it's had this been into it's been a different take but still in the same genre Yeah, and same franchise To all right. Yeah, I gotta go to play the barrel blast. It's not a part racer I've never played barrel blast. So it's very different It's not the same What is barrel blast? Wait, what is it? Is it just it's just a racer or It's a you said it's a racing barrels Racers Wait, sorry, I think it has something to do with like motion controls. It's not a racing game I don't know what it is All right, moving on moving on mario kart. We're trying to tell them mario kart here Definitely We got a long invasion happening Anyways So we know that dlc's coming pretty hype pretty excited, you know, they if you guys haven't seen the trailer yet for you should go check it out I'm really excited to finally have all 96 courses that were promised and all the characters really really cool. Um, but Well, that's awesome and I'm I'm glad we finally have clarification on when it's coming up because it felt like we've been waiting and waiting and waiting Andres is not true. What road house said in the chat. Is that what that is road house? Contact road house that barrel blast summed up with two words racing and sex Only Dude, andre just wanted to share a nice little fact with us and we have just been shitting all It is it's barrel blast barrel blast is it you got mario kart Hey, hey, hey too much tumble weed in my blood to settle down I Throw this back What do we think the future of mario kart is and just to clarify obviously not barrel blast They're done updating mario kart score, which would sort of indicate they might make a I've got It's not pretty predictable. What's the note? What's it gonna be with mario kart? It's predictable. Yeah They're gonna do the smash mario kart treatment. Yeah, I think i do mario kart ultimate plus They're gonna add a mario kart trackmaker Here's what I really want and do you think they'll do this is add like all the gimmicks In one game like double dash mario And then they're gonna add the ability to for you to also bring Your own drivers to from one game to another like pokémon carry pokémon you carry your drivers with you. That would be Wait, you can make them have you can make them breed too You can make them breathe Carry your drivers More car customized customizing making making bigger better, you know Probably a car shop where you can actually buy stuff for your car, but you're earning in game a trackmaker Um, you imagine if they ever did a pokie kart Pokie kart Okay, they did they did they they did it's on nintendo ds It's called pokie kart Poker rush or something it's on the ds um turn around the name of it There's some sort of a pokémon game on ds. There was a research. Sorry what you say it's on the bs Pokémon dash the nintendo dual screen god damn it. I'm calling. I'm calling you Pokie balls Eric called it pokemon dash. Oh pokemon dash. It was a kart racer. Oh, no, no, it's just a racing game Yeah All right We have so much interest in talking mario kart I do I I'm actually I feel like I have It's still talking about games. All right, we're still in the same Yeah, mr. Rogers neighborhood still all right, so I I had five points, right? Well, the the first one was car customization for the next one. So the second one was um, um a trackmaker Of course they may add a trackmaker so you can make your own tracks and then kind of challenge people online or whatever The third one is bring your own racer. You can bring you can bring racers from other other You know, that's where you lost me. I don't I don't understand what you mean. I don't understand the bring your own racer things So they're gonna find this is just very speculating, but it will be cool if you can actually Um, it's not like a growing Thing all the time you can actually bring more racers into the game Like uh, do you want to bring link a certain link into the game? You can actually bring him and that you create a team of racers That you can actually go with you. Maybe they go they go on amiibo's they go on carts or whatever Um, just like what they do in smash where you can have like a a an ai controlled um In ai like a fighter that that learns Then you save it to an amiibo and you can scan it in and it doesn't work. Is that what you're saying? Something like that. Yeah, and maybe or or at least They're gonna smash ultimate Mario Kart basically where they kind of Announce a new driver and make it look like a this big thing Uh story mode Mario Kart, you know So I think our story mode ever no, right? Yes. No Mark well, I mean, I guess it depends on what you define as a story mode, but uh, Mario Kart ds had a mission mode where you yeah Heart racer like crash team racing Story mode if you ever played that that's what I would consider a story mode for or even I didn't play all the game boy advanced the game boy advanced Mario Kart So I don't know what they did with that one But like the ds one was well, I mean it had lost fights The ds one was probably closest we've had to a story mode than any of them I really What is different is like a cohesive like connected storyline like not missions you do in order but an actual like fully connected thing does that make sense Yeah Yes, I I understand what you're saying. Um, like Like a like a narrative, right? Yeah, yeah, and I'm not saying that Like a on mission structure with bosses couldn't be considered a story mode I play advanced wars, right? That's a that's a level based mission based game Or like any of those are all of games have a plot or warriors or whatever Yeah, they're all level based, but they're still still the wall. Yeah Yeah Um, I mean that would be interesting but at the same time like we don't play Mario games for the story. So yeah I'm pretty sure visuals are gonna be a big thing, you know, the new tracks the bro I mean, that's why I'm playing Super Mario RPG Yeah, I'm so excited for that 120 fps. Hey, so I did not play the first one Do you think Gino will be in uh the next Mario Kart? Yes The fact that they're re-releasing the game Yeah, these are real possibility for everything Oh, yeah, like the Gino for smash Has a legitimate class as more of a legitimate claim than ever. Do we think smash comes back? I think it does. No, it's retired forever I would be I would not be surprised I'd be I'd be shocked Yeah, I will say this on the next system I do think they're gonna just bring ultimate back with all the fighters and maybe do some extra fighter passings for it Ultimate deluxe. Yeah, ultimate deluxe. Yeah, honestly. Well, because also Sakurai There will be a new smash game on the system after that. Mm-hmm. They're gonna they're gonna ride on one more gen There's no way they don't do something Um for smash I think it'd be an enhancement a remaster a new game. It's gonna be something Yeah Enhancement thing and then they'll have all the dlc together and then they'll say hey, we're also gonna announce you We're gonna do another series of fighter passers or something And they'll sell it sell it for 70 bucks a pop and And they'll argue look at the insane value we include all the dlc Yeah, I do want to tell you what I think the next marker up's gonna be What are they called the next mario kart mario kart ultimate? Mario kart 9 mario kart 10 Which wouldn't even be and not mario is mario kart 11 ii infinite that way If they stick with the numbers because they want people who played hate to know this is the next mario kart Then I'll just be mario kart nine. Yeah, I agree Yeah Tour is not lying tour is not lying. I think they would call it Mario Kart 10 because they It would be like this it would technically if you include tour 10 And I think they want a pseudo account for because they bring those maps to To switch so I think whether we like or not. I think in terms of nintendo's wheelhouse I think they count it so then I think the next one would be 10 it would not Yeah, like why why don't we count tour? Well, let's talk about that. Why is a mobile game and mobile games are yucky Part 11 because what about the um? The one where you actually had the lives of our car Oh, it's your life circuit. Yeah Here's why here's why because the nintendo didn't number those games. Yeah, it makes sense Any of the Mario is not Double dash is not numbered Or in seven for the 3ds but before that the first six weren't numbered Mario Kart tour is just Mario Kart 8 but mobile and they just added tour And they have extra levels for that for for that particular tour. So it's not really nine is just Mario Kart 8 on mobile I don't know about no, it's not because Four was all different tracks. They added Hey, they have their own state when I mean when I mean when I mean they're the same I mean they're like they're they're basically they all look exactly the same It's not there's nothing new when it comes to the the visuals and the the the the the drivers and Who's here and who's there a different release and the the fact that they brought a lot of the the the the tour from Tour to these What about live circuit? What about live circuit? Live circuit's like a Mario maker, man. Yeah That under spin-off territory There have been Mario Kart arcade games, right? There have been arcades. You know what screw it, you know, we're on Mario Kart 15 now All right, we're not considering that now from from the parks. Well, we got it. That's our Two parks that are open Yeah It's gonna be called Mario Kart barrel blast Oh, no, it's gonna be barrel blasted. So it's like It's gonna be Mario Kart barrel blasted diddy Kong's event No That would be sick diddy Kong's the villain because he's so mad that he lost his franchise That would be the best story in a Mario Kart game ever even better than mission select mode Oh my god. Um, all right. So andress, what do you think they're gonna do with the next one for setting the next design? Yeah Tells us what they think But uh, yeah, so my take is you know, I I don't know what what they're if they're gonna just go like the bigger better Right, like I think they may try and do something slightly different But once they I kind of feel confident to say in saying especially after we're seeing what what nintendo has kind of been doing with A lot of their product as of late They're sitting on this game If it's if it's not done yet It is far far to development and they're not going to release it as soon as it's done. They're going to wait until the time for marketing It's going to be extremely polished. It's going to be flushed out like what it's not going to come out and we're going to be like Oh, that feels a little bare bones. Like when Mario Kart 8 came out At first it felt a little bare bones. The the battle mode was left trying to be desired Yeah, no, yeah, um about the battle mode was not praised in the initial marcrate release No, it was it was not praised and I know they changed it when they brought it over to here But I don't really know how you see it lacking and launched with more content than any prior mario kart Like the original we you really said more content than any mario kart ever If that's your opinion lack of a battle mode any of you well People just didn't like it. There's a difference It was repurposed it just repurposed the tracks that were already in the game It didn't like they like all other prior battle modes had their own individual I'm conceding that it wasn't a very good battle mode, but it did it did exist Listen, I look my my point simply is is that when this marcarte comes out There's going to be no debate that it's going to be as best as good as it can be It's going to be a well polished It's going to be well oiled. It's going to be Forgot open world True that I don't know That I don't know but I I do agree that it's probably going to be a visual showcase because I Believe that we get marcarte eight, which is a 2014 game and still looks good today by at least switch standards But they're not going to come out with this Farmer powerful system and do say take advantage of it. Like I feel like it's got to have ray tracing I feel like it's got to be at least at 60 fps Probably Well, why are we even talking about this because obviously they're going to try to make the game look as good as possible like Is are we convincing anyone that they don't just want to make mario kart and have it look like shit? Like, yeah, obviously the thing is not every single mario kart game has always looked really good first respect to system You go back to mario kart. We that looked like doodoo I mean, so did all we games Let me like I can't remember a single we game besides maybe galaxy That's like Nintendo 64 graphics have polygons like yeah, no I know No, they're like there were games on we that you knew that they were that were pushing the system There were other games you're like, yeah, no, that's kind of just the we was barely more powerful than a game cube Give me an example of a game that was a visual showcase on the week mario galaxy mario galaxy two I would say skyward sword. I would throw skyward sword worry. A lot of that was just our feebly chronicles Terrible on the we go back and play the original we release dude It's so like grainy like it's so hard to see Listen, I only know that because I try to do it like we're referring to we're not Yes, there were issues. Yeah, because we was obviously an underpowered system The faces had very low texture, but the scale of that game Mario kart we looked better than zeno blade did on we Yep, I agree with I agree with that. I don't want to respond to that I actually do agree with jake on that one I don't know if I'd never looked good on the system. It was a it was a scale like it was an impressive scale For a we but like the problem is the system wouldn't really have the power to run that scale well It was technically impressive If you want to say that didn't look as pretty because it was is rendering far larger environments. I guess you could say that but Well, yeah, we were talking about how they I don't think Talking on scale. That's the thing I don't know but the thing is if you're just hope focus on the low resolution face faces Yes, they had low resolution faces, but the environments were impressive Like there was you could see these giant structures He giant titans in the background as you explore these massive worlds that were pretty well rendered for a we game Like this wasn't it was a good-looking game Because the fingers were like all like this so I really thought it was like a lego game Oh All I'm gonna say is that for those listening Just because you may be the only person in the room that agrees with yourself. It doesn't mean you're wrong Andres, I gave you I gave you plenty of points. I gave you the skyward sword. Okay You're gonna tell me the zeno big chronicles looked. Oh my god. No, no It's one of the most impressive we games and I don't care if all five of you say I'm wrong. I I never said it was No, I never said any of that. I just said Mario art looks better at the time. Yeah, here's your visuals We're not talking about the impressive. Yes. What's the only way did from a technical perspective is impressive Way more impressive than mario card. Well, you know what? How about how about you play? Do it. Um, excuse me. You can literally let me put my controller and a little wheel and play that way if I wanted to I don't think so we can we can talk about this as much as we want But how about you just gonna use you right now and and search up the initial we Announce a trailer for zeno big chronicles and the initial we trailer for mark art. We let's watch them both And then let's just say. Oh, yeah, you know what? What are we doing What the games already exist in our out. Why are we going that through trailers because you're talking about again They came out 15 years ago Off our memories, which is obviously unreliable because you're all wrong looking at screenshots I played zeno. We There was nothing wrong with the way mark art. We loved it. All right. So something's happening with the switch too soon is what i'm hearing That's a topic later. I'm trying to get us to that anyway Hey Down quit jumping the gun The main point the main point is obviously went way off tangent is simply that not every mario Well, there you go They've had enough of He pulled up the youtube trailers and realized he was wrong and it just exploded In the audio version literally his internet or something cut out He's don't tell me Becks we're probably gonna be moved on by the time he figures it out. Oh boy. Yeah Damn, he's gonna think you kicked his ass out a hundred percent at first I'm sure he's real. No, no, no. Oh, I know he got I'm just saying I just Yeah It doesn't even realize what happened Anyways, um Yeah, so I think the next barry cart is gonna have Master chief in it. I'm sorry. That's just a joke. No, but uh, no, it'll probably it's probably gonna take it It's gonna probably take the smash ultimate turn. You're probably gonna get a lot of different characters I think you'll probably have like different waves of you know, whatever Maybe sacri work on you'll be like, hey guys, I know how to do this. Here we go. It's time I will say this and I think this is true Within the next five years. I think it's more likely that master chief Appears in a nintendo game than a microsoft one Honestly, yeah, bro. It's so sad tangent. Sorry. Did you say in the next 10 years? 10 years five Oh five I mean, we had zora zora from kingdom hearts come to If they're gonna release another one of the rts halo games. Yeah I can see something. I don't want halo anymore I don't they've killed it. It's just it's going the way That they just destroyed halo because it's just they can pick up about a hundred a hundred employees of bungee if they want They need to do a more to come back Yeah, more to come back people got tired of it. You know what? Yeah, we have to start over again. Yeah start over Bring it back. Yeah, I think at this point. They do need to reboot The halo Office is back before we got to the next stop finally Gosh, we thought the internet gods hated you so bad. I know I I was so angry. I was trying to make To make the point they got like holy like just completely ruined by all of our banter And then the computer crashed. I literally exclaimed goddamn like I was I was mad I wasn't mad at anyone. I wasn't mad at anyone. I remember uh when I was when I was on high school When I was in high school I saw online one time that certain people when they get like really really angry they get erections In andre you just strike me like I've never like actually known anyone that admitted to that but you just strike me like the kind of guy That maybe that would be true for If I if I had to pick her off the street. I don't even think that war is a response Um, no, but then it would make sense like oh, I gotta close my camera off because I'm getting angry and I don't want anyone I think I already started the dirty talk today, which is really Chaff me out of nowhere. I wasn't mad. I wasn't mad until my computer crashed. I just wanted to Yeah, it is mad. You were looking up that tasty treat what you actually found All right, so let me just make my point before my computer crashes again All I wanted to say was is that most martyr cart games weren't no Known for being visual showcases, but when Mario Kart 8 came up for the Wii U It was arguably one of the best games we'd ever seen from Nintendo and then Really? You know you can say Mario Kart 8 wasn't a visual showcase for the Wii U I think there weren't that many games. I would agree with that It was just like the Mario Kart game. What was it? They all look like any s Mario Kart 8 looks Listen I kind of agree with you more on this one. Okay. I think I think it kind of was I yeah, I agree with that as well There's a lot of games on Wii U. I don't agree. I don't agree. Make a point. Make a point Anyways, make your point. Was that your point? the My point is is that I have I find it hard to believe that they're going to have a new Mario Kart Um for the new system that's supposed to be significantly more powerful Especially after we didn't get it really much of an improvement with marcrate deluxe It just boosts the resolution fix the frame rate issue. Like I I think it's going to be a visual showcase I do think that is a point worth making. It's not just Random stuff because it's not a given Yeah, I I think it'll be less of a visual showcase beyond lighting I I do think they're going to use ray tracing just because they can Yeah, we'll have the extra power to do it But because they're doing that I I don't know that it's going to be Considered a visual showcase next to the games that will already be out like a 3d mario. I think it's still going to look better But I do think what they'll do is things that we're not thinking of we keep talking about how oh, there's going to be a track maker Oh, there's going to be this. Oh, there's going to be. Oh, it's going to be visually impressive Well, how about the fact maybe there's limitations on what they've been able to do with the racetracks themselves because of the power My marco wonder are to throw crazy things and crazy obstacles And longer tracks with way more alternate paths and a bunch of crazy stuff And that's what they're using the power for just to make the races more interesting I'm all for that. Yeah, I I agree I would love pit stops I would love actual pit stops like not so like like actually like imagine taking pit stop the toads come out and then like Refurbished your car a little bit On See that would get in the way for me. Yeah, I would like mario car wonder wonder scene everything goes nuts It's the race. I'll say this. Yeah, actually that'd be really sick But I'd be kind of cool. I like that idea. I think I think I think okay Let's say we take the rubble like we combine maybe like wonder and then maybe like the rumble volcano food of thought Like I think maybe like last lap everything should be getting like crazy every almost every track Like they kind of sort of do that with some places and some maps, but um I think I might like the evolving Yeah, like an evolving map should be they should take that concept for also I think they really really need better items So they need to like refresh the item roster because I feel like yeah, you throw a couple things in there And there's like the you know the iconic blue shell and whatnot, but like I don't know I feel like it could be really really really cool and like way more Robots Found that if you if you uh had better items. Anyway, sorry just no, you're fine. You're fine Uh, something I think we're all ignoring Is that nintendo does care about mobile and mario kart tour is no longer getting updates And it has a huge user base which to me suggests There's going to be another mario kart mobile game and I think it's going to be tied to the new game And I think in some way there'll be online modes where people on phones and the switch shoe will be able to play together I mean that's a bad idea You can not like that idea, but this is what it does Like it's not going to be uh, it's not going to be like forced upon you, but it's going to be a mode It's going to be an option. It's kind of like with mario wonder you can play with those people online or you're going to turn it off Yeah, uh, it's just going to be like an option. That's the same thing Well, it's like if you tie it to having to be able to operate With mobile that's holding the game back How's it holding the back when it's in a mode? I'm talking about modes I mean multiple modes because because no matter what mode you play it in it has to also have the capability of playing in mobile mode as well Then yeah, that's gonna hold it back mario kart control. Have you played mario kart tour? It has all the basic mario What i'm saying is it has to be able to to run on mobile, it's not going to be a visual showcase Like you're not going to have get ray tracing and like We're literally getting triple a games on phones. What are we talking about? This is mario kart iphone 15 pro ray tracing Yeah, it doesn't have to look visually the same It just has to be good enough to mario kart tour doesn't look as good as mario kart 8 deluxe, but it's good enough I think it should be noted though that if they do make another like mario kart mobile game That or or does another internal mobile game like they're not going to aim There's there like this like their visual style to be something that only runs in the most powerful phones Because they want to reach large audience. Absolutely Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Thank you. I don't know what that really matters Like if you are playing with mario kart 8 or mario kart 9 or whatever players on your phone It's just going to be presented in the I'm just trying to understand Are you saying that you're thinking that maybe there could be like a mode that's like a tour mode No, there's just they're just going to be connected in some way. There's going to be some way for those players to play together Yeah, you can bring it you can bring it you're giving a lot a lot for some of the tour and bring him over to your actual game All right, here's this question It's kind of a it's kind of a different thing, but it's really important what we're talking about Do you think with the switch to? Nintendo will finally have like a proper Um, like way to message others like friends list online like mic chat God, I think I know it's finally going to do that I'm gonna do the online chat thing even though I want them to I really I really want them to you know when I first fired up Like a friend lobby for mario wonder. I got a notification on my phone for uh to use nintendo's online app And I was like, uh, no Hey, yo, I think I do think my support voice chat nintendo will I think nintendo will Eventually, I'm hoping at launch. Um, I'll allow messaging at least with friends Yeah, I think that's something they might enable for the next one just with friends They won't let you as a strangers But if you guys are actual friends on your friends list, I'll message them on the next you can technically send invites Yeah, you can send invites and you can sometimes join people that are playing some games Yeah, but if you just communicate that you're gonna do that you just do it Yeah, I also But again, it's just me think being forward thinking nintendo is ending the content for both of these games at the same time And I don't think that is a Coincidence, I think nintendo has plans for a unified launch of a new mario kart on your phone and on switch to So I and I think people like, you know, I don't people make fun of phone games So like everyone wants to ignore a new tour was a huge success for them So I know a lot of people play mario kart tour Yeah, like they're they're I think they're clearly gonna just launch another app that's tied to the new game because Right now, I think it was hard for them with the way that mario kart 8 was obviously a Wii U game and Technically used an old account system being kind of shoehorned into a new account system And then you have obviously tour on the new account system and neither are really built for each other That happened later when they decided to do more dlc So that's why I think it's a more unified development for the next one And that doesn't mean that you need to you know I know there won't be exclusive tracks on either one that could be a thing Maybe the all of the same tracks. I don't really know I I just think that uh, they're they're gonna have a plan in place for it because tour was too popular And so is mario kart 8 and I think they want to try to find a way to bring the community together Even if it's only for a certain Online game mode and I think that's something we don't talk about too is we've been stuck with the same online modes Forever true. They're gonna have more They got like they've had all this time to make more that I feel like they're gonna expand the online modes as well Yeah, you know on that point I do there is there was something I wanted to say that I kind of expect for the next mario kart It's related to what you're talking about now I feel like suddenly they're gonna kind of go into like day one like they're going to have a content release plan Like it's not just going to be okay. Here's the game and months down the road We're gonna release some dlc or years down the road like no they're gonna announce dlc early on And I think it's probably gonna go on go for at least two years if not more Well, that's literally what they did with with mario kart 8 once they started adding the other boost the other yeah They just did it five years later like well. Yeah, but now that they figured that out. I think you're right Yeah, you're just gonna stick with that model Exactly. It works well. Yeah, exactly Yeah, and they have so maybe maybe the one the game comes out It's not as big as mario kart 8 is now, but it'll eventually rival it if not surpass it I agree with that too. Maybe that's how they also handle smash as well Like maybe it's not realistic to expect smash or mario kart to to match up to what ultimate and eight deluxe are now But if they have dlc plans to go on for a few years You know, I think smash is a whole different story. I think that's in a much trickier position well for smash but just for the record I I'm thinking like Down the road when they eventually have a brand new roundup smash It's gonna happen. It's just a matter of when and that when maybe five eight years from now But eventually when that day comes that's what they'll do. I think Okay, I got a couple ideas before we go before we go. Um, I think you've talked enough. All right, move on That was that was that was good timing on that one. Um, so I know I've I've stayed in the past where You know, they bring all the all the tracks to the game and then if you choose a track you can choose what What version you want to play of that and it's actually in that style um, another thing that'd be really interesting is um, you know You're erasing how many laps on the same course But each lap Jumps over to a new course So you're you'd make one lap in let's say baby park and all of a sudden you hit this And all of a sudden you're racing rainbow road and you're like wait, what? There's um, there's a mod a streamer did recently called the dug dug mario kart challenge where he did that exact thing Well, sort of similar he had you would you would race 10 Mario kart We tracks at once and it would randomly switch you I know yours is a bit more structured It's like oh you complete a lap and I go, you know, you go to the next thing But it was like you you would be racing in the middle of delfino plaza or whatever And then it would just all of a sudden whether it was like five seconds on this race Where you were racing that course for 30 seconds and you had to complete all 10 courses in first place Just randomly cutting back and forth between different races. So it's interesting. It's it's a similar concept to that So I'd never seen that Yeah, I look yeah the dug dug mario kart challenge if you want to check it out after this And then one really off the wall one is they're going to call the next mario kart mario kart reboot And it's the super nintendo mario kart, but ultra realistic So donkey kong is like an actual gorilla mario's Ultra realistic Reboot oh, yeah So wait, so donkey kong doesn't wear any clothes right so like how realistic Extra realistic. That's how that's how he's pushing the gas pedal Wow That's what I called their home blast hell, yeah Um, all right, let's uh get into our next topic here Uh, because there might be something happening with switch to quote unquote soon or maybe not Like it's not like we really know but there's just a lot of things kind of sitting out there that I've gotten people thinking And part of it is probably just because we're all going crazy Because we haven't had any wanted out or anything, but then there's also someone talking about how they're about to leak stuff next week. So um We I'll let I'll let andres take this first right here because there's this whole amoebo Uh release date that has people thinking about some stuff. So you want to give us like a quick and dirty recap of of why sure I'll keep it clean. Don't Yeah, um, so there's been a lot of discussion lately about these amoeba restocks And basically there's a number of amoeba restocks that are supposedly uh going to be coming to remember 10th last I heard Uh, and these would be for smash brothers mario kart zelda and metroid. So these four different Amoeba lines and what's interesting about this is that We've never seen all these different amoeba lines Get restocked at the same time like this is an unprecedented number And typically when amoeba restocks happen It lines up relatively close to some kind of major nintendo announced typically a direct or Something of the sorts like the most recent example being Where there was a amoeba restocks for smash and that ended up Lining up with an intelligent erect and us getting uh the sore amoeba announcement. So People have been noted noting this and talking about these supposed amoeba restocks that are going to be happening. Um And people are thinking, okay, well, what kind of announcement would warrant all these amoeba restocks? uh, so Basically when these amoeba restocks happen within a few weeks Of when they happen the announcement comes. So if they're coming november 10th Maybe we could see something happen in november. The the latest would be like early december game awards That's like the the tail end of the window. Yeah And so the the speculation is is that nintendo has one more big announcement for the year And because we're probably not going to have any more general directs because they've already done their You know their their fall general direct the september direct What's left is kind of like a major hardware announcement, which we know is coming soon We're just not sure how soon is it this year soon or is it like sometime first half of next year soon? so that's kind of where the speculation is and This kind of speculation kind of went to overdrive when we discovered that nintendo privated their switch first look trailer And Interest what's interesting about that if you go back to last year They privated both the switch light and ola trailers and then a few days later They announced the splatoon 3 ola edition and then the year prior before the ola had been announced Um, they actually I think believe they actually announced the ola trailer, but then a couple days later They've privated the light trailer. So there's a history of nintendo privating some of the major switch reveal trailers Apparently for seo so they can market whatever their big sort of right version of switch they want out there but what's weird is We're talking about a light trip the the light reveal trailer the older reveal trailer is being privated This is the switch first look trailer. This is the most important switch trailer and it's still private last I checked It's been private for like at this point a couple weeks And so if you're wondering why they've done that so this in conjunction with the amiibo restocks is really kind of It's fueling this this fire of oh, is there something big happening But last week this hype kind of died down a bit Because we heard that there's going to be a mark our ola coming out and actually it's already been confirmed Um, it is coming out And so people are thinking oh, okay the ola mark our ola that that's why the reason why they private the switch first look trailer But why didn't they private the ola trailer which would be more relevant to that? I don't know. Also, there wasn't a trailer for the mark our ola. It's very quiet It's just the light ola with mark I was confused for a second. So people in chat might be as well, but you don't mean like a mario kart 8 Edition switch you just mean a switch ola bundled with mario karting Yeah, they did last holiday. They were just bringing it back. Yeah. The way you were saying it I thought you meant like a special edition mario kart and I was like what? Yeah, well There there is an OLED bundle with mario kart package, right, right, right There's two now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no the first one's the one which there's only one OLED one Yeah, so they have a normal switch bundle and an OLED switch bundle for it now Yes Last holiday, they only technically ran the OLED bundle This holiday they're running both. So right so I guess the The the point I'm trying to make here is that While a lot of there's been like the speculation has kind of gone to overdrive Um, and it's a point I've made I've made I've been trying to make this week I think maybe, you know, there's there's a little bit of a okay. Well, there's got to be something So what is that something and people are assuming it switched to it might not be switched to it might have just been for Uh, you know this this mario kart OLED bundle and also this final wave of mario kart DLC Which by the way, I don't know if you I don't think you got you got a chance to mention it But not only are getting the eight tracks with the four new characters But way six also includes a jukebox mode So you can play different music from tracks and 17 new me outfits Which sport different characters from the Nintendo franchises Which maybe could line up with those smash on me or restocks The barrel blast character Yes Is i'm not sure. Okay, so There's more it is one of my favorites Is anyone seeing the clamshell design on the twitter? clamshell stuff, what are we doing with that? Uh, probably nothing, but it's interesting. Yeah, I agree What one of the things that i've seen with patents is that there's two type of patents patents for products I've been announced and patents for product for for features. They want to just protect right? And so for features they want to protect they'll probably do like a random design And maybe that random design is only just one little clamp feature that they want to protect and then this Everything else is just there for us to Once they make something public they they don't need anything from it anymore. So yeah, true Yeah, it depends on on what it is if it's already a patent for something That's already out by Nintendo switch all that if you see another Nintendo switch only patent coming out Then you can say, okay There's an addition coming out or something else Relate to that Nintendo switch all that addition something, you know So that I've I've followed that and actually been able to pinpoint the last three additions to uh An old dead patent that that has come out like literally within days Yeah, and then of course there's been the one that From that I call it a sandwich the sandwich old switch Where um where it's it's very it's crazy, right? It has three screens on it like uh It has a screen inside and it has a bigger screen on the outside And then when you look at the the screen on the inside It's so big it feels like it's gonna jump off the the hinges And then it has one button on here two buttons on here. It's just all over the place I just think that anyone they they're only patting and maybe the screens You know, you know those cartoons back in the day where they were back when like the game boy clam show was like really popular And it would it would always have like the it would fall down like five different screens. That's what it looks like to me It's really funny. Yeah Every patent tells part of a story not the entire story So so that to me that one I discard the entire design. I don't think that that's gonna be Nothing at all when it comes to design itself. I think there's something in there that Nintendo protected for themselves And and of course they've been deliberately the entire thing But I think there's something in there that Nintendo might might be able to use for the few for a future console A future feature that they they have in there that is already protected And so it's there, you know, I mean, it's public. It's maybe it's in technology that they want to use All right, I have in case they use it and it's active. It's active. It's an active patent That was issued that was Nintendo Patented in a certain in a short period of time like from one year to another six months So, you know, it's it's not that it's an old thing that came out from the from from from from two or three years ago And all of a sudden it's showing up There's a there's a uh, there's a date that's been You know filed and there's a date that's been Um issued and released to the public. So, you know, it's not like it's You can't discard everything. There's certain things about that patent that you can take But the thing is that we'll never know until you get a 100% Yeah, and something I want to add because I've seen a lot of discussion that patents never amount to anything and that's not true It is the case that when we take look at patents most of the time It doesn't materialize as we're seeing it But there are cases where it does so basically don't assume But it's still worth having a discussion because it might and an example I've been bringing up is that there was actually a few different Patents we saw for tears of the kingdom before release that showed us animation work before we actually knew about those those things All right. So here's here's here's my my two cents on this Um, this patent is irrelevant It is a product that they are never releasing and there is nothing used in this patent that they're going to use in the future device And we have seen this many many times. Remember the supplemental computing device Yeah, that's the thing that never came out and they never did anything with it Um, even things they've unveiled in the past like the we vitality sensor patents are not again a product that never came out Nintendo's constantly making prototypes and they tell us since there's more than just a patent. They announced like you're gonna take that I A lot of patents. I mean look at remember the Remember what everyone thought the nx was going to be the patent with the oval screen that went around the stuff That was never a thing what happened is Nintendo makes a lot of prototypes And they patent every prototype they make that doesn't mean it's going to come out if it's Like we talked about the tears of the kingdom patents The game was already announced if it's already been announced you might get patents for it before it comes out If it's something that hasn't been announced and all of a sudden this random patent show up That is something Nintendo is not moving forward exactly because if it was real They would just wait the two months till they announced it. You know what I mean, like The sad things, I mean like remember we had that speculation about the hall sensing sticks with the liquid hall sensing patents That's clearly something Nintendo is not going forward with but what I do like about it is it does mean Nintendo was looking in the hall sensing So they might have been in a different technology. It's a slightly different So basically what you're saying exactly this is the same thing that I'm saying is that is that even though that patent doesn't Tell the the story of the picture of the product It tells a story what Nintendo is thinking and that they're they're trying to kind of you know Invest or looking for technology to to put into their next system. You know, so it gives you it gives you a hint in Glimpse into Nintendo's mind or what you're thinking At one point they thought about it. Yeah Exactly. It's not like they're gonna make it a patent that they're intentionally not going to use And there's no guarantee that every single idea within that patent is discarded right away just because it's out there You know, they they still own it because it's out there Yeah, I don't know. I think if there was a single idea that they wanted to keep they would wait To then make that patent. Yeah, like if there was going to be a second screen or detachable screen I think that's something they wouldn't even have a patent out there for so go But let's go back to that old little patent We say that that old patent has no relevance to what the switch is But I mean it was technically a handheld gaming devices like with no buttons the whole things the screen it goes around And Nintendo has handheld gaming devices before that Yeah, but I guess the thing is people were thinking of it as like Nintendo's solution to their primary Hardware and but we did get that we did get a device a handheld device It was our primary solution to home console hardware. I mean come on. That's just that's a stretch That's like being like, oh well Nintendo did release a patent before that said they were gonna make something that played video games again and look No Yeah, you're technically correct, but I mean the point. I mean, obviously we we're we're speculating right so, you know You take whatever you can get but there it is a clue it as Mike said it Hey tells you what Nintendo has been looking at and maybe you can kind of see What they've been testing and get some semblance of an idea of the direction they're headed in and yes And it will never be the final product It will never ever ever be the final product But it gives you a hint into what they're working on and a hint of what into the the train of thought And you know in the process of making their next generation console or the next Whatever I mean that's what we said. It simply lets you know something they considered at one point in time in the past So maybe the correct interpretation of what this patent is if there's anything it tells us it's just it's just that Nintendo's looking at ways to improve The the the the mobile device. Yeah, that's it. No, it's that it shows they were at one point Yeah, and I'll get your feet that said nothing they could have changed their mind since and that's why they released the patent this time Maybe they're just gonna give us a car instead Well, there's a lot of assumptions of patents This also could have never literally had anything to do with their next hardware It could have been a new iteration of the current switch. What if it's a 3ds classic? That too, that's actually something I brought up on my livestream. You know, so hey, what if this was actually just I talked about Did I talk about it with you? Yes, our 3ds classic I think we're probably just on the same wavelength So I think I talked about a few days ago as well. Like I just think that would be awesome to have Yeah, it was just something you see you see two screens. You're like, well put two and two together I mean, obviously, I think she had a DS classic first, but man Well, I think they would I mean, I don't know. Maybe they would maybe they wouldn't but I think maybe bundling both the 3ds and the um 2ds. I mean, I think if you just did a 3ds classic because then it plays 2ds games as well That was going to be able to that would be wild. It would be so wild DS on nso, but that would be genuine Here's a fucking controller for it. Yeah, let's bring up the Wii U We're bringing it back, baby. It's back. We're so back except the the Wii U classic is actually a backpack It's it's it's you have to strap it to your back and that's where the system is but it's tethered with a game Carry like a screening or belly Here we go. Yeah, some people actually did that. It was pretty cool. They would like connect the Wii U to It's like a battery putting their backpack and then just have their game path So getting back into why some people also think it might be happening soon like we talked about Uh, you know the the amiibo restocked and how maybe it could have been this other thing Mario Kart related cool But there's other stuff happening. So there's the investors meeting on november 7th, which okay, good They do this every year doesn't necessarily have to mean anything um, but A certain person that's been Pretty in the know of late in necrophilipe lima Uh, it has been dropping some hints out there that are very very interesting. He is the owner of nintendo universal um, and he said um on twitter And that they would have he would have more to talk about with switch to next week And then he clarified on fami boards regarding my tweet earlier today It's related to what lick and luigi blood has said and I know for quite some time from my end But I won't discuss before a certain thing happens Wait the guy licking luigi blood. No, no, no those are user. They were users on fami just users on Referencing something they brought up which i'm going to get to in a moment But he's he says he's The what he's waiting till next week to reveal something about switch 2 because something has to happen this week To avoid being click baited by youtubers and stuff like this because he does so something's supposed to happen Whether it's internally externally I don't know and then for context The the l i c and the luigi blood stuff is basically related to tracking of nintendo shipments And a bunch of details around the shipments Which seem to indicate that nintendo is in the process of shipping products of some kind that are not the switch And they're able to line this up and even get box dimensions that don't even line up with the switch and are like Similar to stuff they were able to find in the past before the old lab was unveiled um, so they're like lining some of this stuff up and Apparently as I said necrophilia bellima saying I will reveal moron switch shoe next week And it's because he's waiting for a certain thing that's supposed to happen this week related to switch shoe So now people are going nuts thinking that hey in the next 24 hours something's gonna happen Because something has to happen now. He never clarified. This is something that would happen publicly. Yeah. Yeah It could have just be an internal thing that needed to happen before he's able to reveal what he's gonna reveal So again, that's just adding the more fuel to the fire of This thing getting revealed soon, but also he didn't say it was getting revealed I feel like Nothing is getting announced publicly this month. Nothing's happening this year. Yeah I I'd say there's still a low chance for december, but most likely they did something insane Let's just say the most insane scenario, which I don't think is gonna happen And let me preface They shadow drop it like they say like next week or the next week whatever like right before black friday they go This shit's out there If it got out would be nintendo's investor meetings coming up and he's including that In the whole next week thing Because that's technically only six days away So, you know by the time you get into next that's super early next week. Maybe there would be a mention of a code name Yeah, I think that could be Yeah What what what he's waiting to go out there before he can reveal what he wants to say I don't think that any company today that makes hardware Could ever do a shadow drop of hardware like that because part of the reason You need to announce Nintendo's already admitted they're making hardware. It's just putting a code name to it. So they could just shadow drop once Look where they are now The reason why Is they would never do it like that is because part of the reason they have When they announced a release day of a console It's it's so far out is because a really important thing is not letting people that bought the console within the last like six months to a year Making them feel bad that that they would have Gotten it if they just waited a couple extra weeks. You need to make it like at least three or four months Just so they're like, oh, okay. Well, I didn't want to wait. I wanted to play this You know what? I mean to make them feel a little better about it Yeah, and we're in the middle of the hall that she's it's it's started and then on all these And all these specials going on right now. I think Nintendo is set for the year Happening like let's say and again, I don't I don't think this is gonna happen Let's say they announced it in December people are gonna be like, oh man I just bought one but then they're like, oh, it's not coming out till June. They're like, oh, okay Well, then it's not like, you know what? I mean, they'll feel a little better I don't like the code name I'm more on the code name thing that uh getting out Because that one that's not news. There's not gonna be trailers. I mean it's not gonna be trailers Not gonna be Nintendo marketing anything. It's just something that happened our investors meeting some content creators will make videos on it Well the reason Forums already that I don't think the code name will be dropped. There's a different reason And that's just because I don't think they want to do anything besides just push their their normal black Friday sales Yeah with the bundles Meaning it's not about pushing sales out of investors. It's about information and answering questions Yeah, but what if but if there is merchandise going out if there is is like for example box dimensions and all this is Good information. I'm leaving more towards the beginning of the year next year Like uh first three months announcement. Maybe uh, uh, april april Kind of may release time period, you know, and then this will go into All these summer gaming fest and everything that's happening You know moving forward to to just really You know Display all the games that the new console can can can show you know just to show off the games So so if all this is happening I'm like, I just be excited because hey that means we're gonna we might see it sooner than send than than before To me, I wasn't like in november of next year. That was my Kind of thought but we might see that even before because I think it's kind of wants to take the stage A system is released outside of november. So it's I'm gonna throw out a month and I've entertained it in the past but I want to do a little more research before I like make it a prediction But I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say it because it's it's on my mind, huh? Nothing We're you're gonna steal the you're gonna steal that out I don't know. I don't know this. So I don't know you're talking about go give your hand starts with m november Yes may or march The month i'm throwing out is may May So what's interesting about may Again, I need to do some more research on it, but Like just some basic things, you know, nintendo had a really strong May this year they pushed tears to the kingdom and then they also had the tears of kingdom ola in april Like they shown they could push some significant sales for both software and hardware around that time like shortly after the end of the fiscal year So that alone kind of tells me well, you know, if nintendo wants so they can pretty much do whatever they want Basically, I feel I feel like at this point january through march or out the window, but there's been a lot of this talk about Eight happening sooner than later And you just kind of see these different people hint dropping hints, right like the necrophilia-based stuff and there's a People who know yeah, people There are some people out there that are staking their credibility And Maybe it's just To stir the fire or the right through the pot, but There does kind of feel like maybe some people think something's happening relatively soon And I think I think it's too late for march Um, but you know if they say have a teaser at the game awards And we have seen consoles teases the game awards before Which would be sometime removed after a lot of their holidays, um, bondo sales and stuff Which makes it a little bit more conceivable. They could do that a may release Would work No, no, we won't Why not Listen, I'm not saying that this is the most likely outcome I think this I think this is where I see it going first thing. Yeah the the fiscal year ended march, right? So everything anything after march is just That's when we'll hear about it anytime. I think that we'll see the announcement And either in april or may And the nintendo has all the upcoming stages to showcase the new switch in the new games And then we'll probably get a release around october knock out Just tap damn no, but honestly honestly mic you you might be right, but No, no, but andres wasn't saying that what you just said is wrong. He just said it's possible. It's still possible And I think they're gonna Jake exactly right. Yeah, I would say october to me. I think it's likely he comes out may like I don't want to be with andre. I disagree with with uh, with uh, with you Yeah, so I I just said I think it's going to be a really short announcement to really cycle Um, switch was it now it's a moral comes over. They had a reason they needed to push it that short because of the We you and everything Uh, but I I kind of think we've seen in this world of tech that like Announcing and having six months to a year build up isn't really needed It's it's if you just have a great presentation and a great lineup. I never said six months to a year I said three to four. No, I'm talking I'm talking about me. So what i'm saying, okay I think I think they could literally announce it and three months later the things out the door Yeah, I think three months. That's why yeah, that's why I said too I think you mean at least like three months. You can't do right at least april as an example I don't think that's impossible for them to do right. I don't think that's possible either And when they have a financial report that nintendo is already predicting is actually going to be lower year over year Point to while we announce new hardware So you don't sell your stock because we're about to drop a new system That's why I think they could announce it before the end of the fiscal year because then they can literally point at that and be like Don't worry about the low sales. We already knew that. That's why we have this coming Yeah, right the one thing i'll say and i'm sticking. I've been saying it for for I don't know how long but it's been most A good long while I believe the switch to will be announced before the end of march. That's my personal prediction like for sure like I think I would agree. I think if I had to if I had to that on which side of march, I would agree I'm also curious if so there was all that chatter out of games come right about the demos and also march march march But nobody seemed to know if that was like release announcement internal dates or one So i'm curious of like The these people like andy robinson and all this stuff have actually now heard what it is and they're just waiting and building a new report later Because they take their time to do the reports Uh, and they drop them at specific times and maybe they want to wait till the holiday crazes over before they drop a report I'm curious if like They've realized march. It might be when it's a being announced like right before the end of the fiscal year. Yeah We're announcing the system. We're dropping in june or whatever it is, you know, right? That's a good tradition It's it's something that could again. We don't know that it's going to be a short We don't know it's going to be a long for all we know they're announcing in december and releasing next november And that's like a traditional year long buildup. We we don't really know what they're doing It's all speculation all opinions Yeah, see this is something that i'm kind of thinking about right now and it's hard for me to believe that nintendo wouldn't do this Can you imagine nintendo planning to release switch to next year with multiple big games And us getting to summer time And and them having their summer direct and not talking about it. Yeah, exactly I can't imagine you. Yeah, I can't imagine we get to june without already knowing. Yeah Yeah, I agree. Yeah, unless they announced already that they're gonna have an event like they've like pre announced like teas Right, but I just feel like, you know, like the whatever we get like a big summer deluge of nintendo news However, they choose to shape that I I I just don't think they'll have material to really have a satisfactory presentation unless it's about switch to at least in part Sure Yeah, I mean we have february there's games announced for a switch in february So they might have I mean we have a game every month the first three months next year They might have games to fill out the year in february. So Yeah, the interesting thing is the traditional february direct Whether or not they're going to announce it before that or not Yeah Yeah, or if they skip the direct is that because oh we're having a big switch to presentation in my maybe maybe we get a direct mini Or you get a direct mini I'm doing like an indie world or what if it's like a partner showcase? One hour is the general direction. Don't you think oh, you think they're gonna talk about the Next pokemon games by by pokemon day like in february. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that would be 95% yeah, yeah, I think those guys names are on switch though, and that's that's just how we'll talk about it I mean that that's typically what pokemon company does Yeah, they win and a new thing comes out. They'll make a game for the old heart They'll make one of the last games for the old hardware because usually it's backwards compatible I mean actually in every case of the handhelds because that's the book one's always been on That just plays on the new system and it's fine. So if you have yeah, I could For that reason I could see a another like a swan song. Let's go Yeah I don't I don't love. I don't want but I could see it Yep, I could be maybe maybe it's kind of both right. I think they need to take advantage of the new system for the next legends game I do think that I think that's maybe that would be nice. Yeah, true Well, you know, it'd be crazy Is if they have like a remake or a let's go for switch, but they have a legend exclusive for switch too When it comes out a few months into 25 And I hate talking pokemon, but I'm I'm so scared that uh Swiss shoes gonna come out and then we're gonna get the new you know a new pokemon game And it just looks the exact same with scarlet and violet. They're just not gonna take an advantage I don't think the next like mainline game is gonna be for I mean the one built for it That's what I mean. Yeah, but I don't I think I think that's still I don't think it's gonna look at your game What if it still looks visually the same developers to make it crappy or not? I don't I don't I really don't think it will because I think we have possibly a let's go game Then the next year Then the next year a remake and probably not in that order, but you know what I mean, and I think there's enough time that The next actual like pokemon game like generation 11 or it's generation 10. It's gonna be generation 10, right? Yeah I I do have hope that it will be better just because I think Nintendo is sick of it too. I think they're gonna help Yeah There's like I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'll just admit seven years with switch and they're still making games that Look like they should be on too gentle. Yes, but and it's still without any help. It's still the nintendo has let them I think nintendo is it would definitely upset And the the talk around scarlet and violet's release and like it was all negative The star of what even looked good for 360 I For a 360 game may maybe may Maybe like an early 360 game I I did but didn't we talk about I don't know if we talked about on this podcast Didn't we talk about how we think there's like rumors and nintendo is kind of Strong arming them to use like unreal engine and to improve their like production products process and whatnot Within game free It would be nice if it was true because yeah, is it a rumor or is it speculation? This is well. No, I'm the rumor. I think the rumor came from the fact that there was like job listings for game freak or unreal engine Specifically, but she might be in the past the the game freak is used their own in-house game engine And nintendo uses unreal engine So they were they were everyone was speculating or everyone was connecting the dots there that Oh, yeah, he's being strong armed into using unreal engine because yeah, so I guess that's what I was asking I guess it's speculation that nintendo would be strong arming them. Yes, but there's some Suggesting that maybe they're using unreal. I could argue all rumors are speculation at this point No, no If y'all keep playing devils advocate to andres is no is gonna fucking bleed. I swear to god I mean So, you know, yeah, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't take it both ways So I For our last topic before we get to q&a stuff Uh, this one's kind of fun Because we haven't got to talk about this particular topic actually in quite some time There's been a lot of tears of the kingdom a lot of other zelda stuff Wait zelda remakes something that we just haven't really touched on in a while because Honestly, there really wasn't much going on outside of that jeff grub thing earlier this year And that got all talked out a billion times and then nothing so far So i'll just restart why why I want to give us a little little breakdown of why it's back in the news again Like why are we talking about zelda remakes again as he's sitting over there Googling because he did not have it up. He knows what we're talking about because he's talked about it But I just want to make sure hey if you make him angry, you'll have it up Yeah, no, okay, so Well, he deleted the tweet, but I and he deleted the one from 2021 that was also correct, right? So, okay, so what's funny in your video? I'm gonna i'm just gonna Like I guess Talked myself up here. He's like what was it like two weeks ago? I made a video I did some research and just talked about a few different things going on like the ocarina time hd What grezzo that may or may not be working on just the history of zelda releases And how based off how nintendo's handled zelda in the past Given that they they're closing out this generation with a major zelda The past would suggest that we would be getting a remake within the first two years of your next system Or a remaster some some sort of enhanced out to showcase the system in some way. That's what the history suggests So you you got all these things. I made I made that video a couple weeks ago It's interesting because now we're seeing these reports that Something is getting announced soon and basically that something is is coming from Dr. Serkan toto Who is an industry analyst? Yeah, financial consultant for a number of different companies in the industry What have inside knowledge? Yeah, he's at all the end I'm sorry. What he's at every nintendo investor meeting. Yeah And he tweeted this out very briefly. Um, can I um share this? Absolutely never I mean, there's nothing crazy. I just feel like I'd better not be the mario karte and xeno blade trailers Oh, that would have been epic We brought it back. We brought it all. I've just been building like a graphics comparison. They'd be like check this out mofos You would No, all right All right, you gotta know how to take it both ways All right, um, so anyway, I screen capped this because I saw it and yeah, it was deleted before you know Like surely after it's deleted. So I still had access to it. But yeah, you can you can find it on the twitter archive websites out there So, yeah, there you go. Um, but anyway, all he says is z r 2023 and it's this simple thing right here They caused all the buzz But the reason it caused all the buzz Is because there's a history of this back at uh in summer 2021 when nintendo posted their announcement of their direct for for that year This is before we had seen um the uh tears of the kingdom Trailer for right. We were in that two-year hiatus of hearing about the secret of breath of the wild He he posted a tweet just like this saying uh z2 2022 And this may seem odd looking at it now because tears of the kingdom came out this year But it was it was about the direct that nintendo was about to showcase and in that direct what they showcased was The sequel to breath of the wild which eventually became you know became known as tears of the kingdom and it was confirmed at that time To be a 2022 release. It was delayed later. So point being I'm gonna run it up. Yeah, nintendo. Exactly. He was teasing something nintendo was about to announce about the news of the game Exactly. He knew what they were gonna say. Um, so he teased that and now he's doing it again Same format a couple letters a number and people are assuming the zr means zelda remake It could be remaster. It could be um reveal It might not even be zelda related. Maybe that's why he deleted it so quickly because people were I think it's not What else would it be that starts with the z by the way, but here's the z goblade Here's the thing But he didn't just delete that he went back to 2021 and deleted his tweet from back then at the same time that people were bringing up So the a lot of the speculation is basically Oh People are getting too close to what it is and his source is scared of getting caught and so he called them and said Can you take that down and please take down the one from 2021 as well? That makes a lot of sense What is r Remake Just a remake. Okay, or maybe I maybe we could get maybe I could see like a they drop like We don't know this point, right? 2023 means coming this year or announced this year. Yeah, right. It's so vague Last time it was year of it coming, but it was also a game. It was already previously announced. Yeah So in 2021 Nintendo brought back to life a trademark for phantom hourglass And isn't that no it's equal to um win waker win waker and so if they've already done win waker hd And also they're kind of doing we these mentioned You know hd also Would it make sense if they follow they follow the same line and announce a phantom flower hd Let's insist on the feed. Well, they've done that with other games Like they did it for our Korean time as well and it had it didn't even have a hd It was just like our Korean time like so and the speculation is remember, you know, like if you look at something Yeah Our Korean of time 3d. I remember I was like in the logo I'll I'll look it up quick. I don't think it was they're remastering and they're they're hd of fighting games then You would say that maybe that that that would be the next game. Yeah, it was in the title It's literally legend is l. The acme of time 3d That's what they call that on 3d. At least I'm seeing that the look that I looked. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I got a review copy of it and but yeah, that's why I just doesn't look the first time. Okay. Um, hey, Nate. No bragging, please No, no, no Remember because it's like, whoa, I had I had a Or it and everything. Okay. Well, that's fine. Just no bragging. Thank you. No bragging Yeah, not all of us have those lg connections And that that custom made ewing chair That's right with my own face on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See that. See, look at that. See, no no no bragging You know what though? I got a Herman Miller chair that I happened to not pay for so I also got this this is uh On the seat on the seat. Yeah, so I'm looking at the these pans right now I don't see anything about arcane or time 3d. I do see arcane of time No, literally type in arcane of time 3d. Just type it in. It's literally the box art I think go through. Um, you know, you know, an easier way to find it is if you're googling arcane time 3d What am I supposed to see and ask? It's all the box art the the entire it that's literally what it is on the system google big duty milkers I guess I'm just confused of what you're trying to say. I'm saying the 3d in the title Not the one that I'm looking at here. Um, let me do it. Let me do a this is from 2021 Andre, just google mommy milkers and you can you can share your screen. I'll show like I I see this patent office document That just says arcane of time 3d in it Oh, yeah, it may share. Wait, is that what I think it is? I was saying that they call the 3d in the title of the mommy milk That's the Zelda thing Mike That the last time they remastered arcane of time they called it arcane of time 3d Yeah, yeah, I thought you were saying that the patent was oh, no, they didn't even paddle you guys were saying two different things Yeah, okay. So I I thought you were saying something to just prove what I was saying earlier. So I research 3ds version just was called arcane of time when it no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying simply is that this recent the recent patch for both phantom hourglass and arcane of time You know, it's just that's just that right and you look at what some of the intel's remakes have been It's just the name. Yeah, that's what I said I know I said that the the train mark was recently revived. It was dead and then we arrived in 2021 I think we're all just saying different things and we all just kind of And I mean, you know, you know, see that it's the same art form. So it makes sense that the hdfi So when they they renewed the the phantom hourglass trademark, when did it originally expire? It's been dead for a while Because nintendo likes to renew trademarks for games all the time and then nothing really happens So i'm gonna say it's renewal date was july 14th 2020 and when did it originally wanted to expire? I I don't see that here. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like it's so hard to go back and figure like, hey, when did it expire? Okay, is anybody has anybody has edge? Yeah, just ask i'll ask the the ai Why would you ask him bing It'll tell you it'll look up what we can find and tell you when this is this Ask jves He's also sometimes makes things up, but that's the og ai What's the og? Ask jves phantom hourglass trademark expiration date. I just go to chat gbt When did I wouldn't trust anything chat gbt says because it's been known to actually come up with fake sources I'm not even kidding. Like that's that's All of them do that even even the bing one does it what's i'm saying is like I would gather too much intelligence Well what it does is it it gets into a feedback loop with itself So then it just says oh itself is right, but then it's like not and so it's basically it's feeding itself information And then it all sounds like what andrew tells when he comes on the show There are use cases. I'm gonna go make more tea. I have used that gbt to help me make titles I've used chappy gbt to sometimes help me summarize something, but it's something i'm telling it to summarize But yeah, i've never i've never i don't use chat gbt as like an information source I one time I tried using chat gbt to to come up with a title and it was just a weird awkward title I never did it again. Yeah This is my way I give it ideas for the title and it'll give me like this really long one Then i'm like, can you please condense that please? I said, oh, okay Then it started giving me a list of them that was way shorter and i'm like, oh from this list I'm probably not going to use any of them, but it gave me inspiration for the title I guess what it does it just helps you copy what kind of Is it takes ideas from society, right? So That's what it does and I think it's bullshit and there's also specific ways you can chat talk to chat gbt To actually make her give you or him or it give you Some information you can use for example, you can say can you search for the latest news on this and Help me come up with ideas and what to talk about in the video the pet on that source. So they will look up GameRant.com or whatever or game around the calm says this this is okay So how will you put that in the video and they'll they'll actually make you an outline? You know, and I've done that and I've actually went to game rat to verify and it worked But it just has to you have to kind of specifically ask them in a certain way Yeah, so like I'm looking at this. Um I'm thinking about the this trademark Like they they technically Registered reregistered it and filed it back in 2020 and it doesn't go up for a renewal until 2030 I think this might just be a standard renewal because you think what came out in 2007 So maybe they just didn't even realize it expired for a few years and they're like, oh shit before somebody takes the name and Yeah, it's not like nintendo like cares about zelda at all. That's totally something that could get slipped, you know Just missed for years No, it's not that they don't care By the way, you know that it that that they didn't that they didn't have it renewed anyways But they didn't already have it renewed until 2020 We don't even know like they might have did a a shorter renewal period the first yeah There's no way of knowing we just know that it's been it was renewed. Yeah back in 20 Let's go back to just the tea from dr. Sirkan toto The zr 2023 do we agree? It's a zel is something's all the related that he's teasing Yeah, yeah, I can't agree because I don't know Well, I love it when you say sirkan toto. It's like asmr to me You're like you like annunciate it so hard You're welcome. Say it again What's the source? What's the guy's who said this? The guy you're just pronouncing it. You're just pronouncing it Probably I'm just reading Here we go We're not gonna Pronunciation wars anyways So no, uh, I think it is because he had a history of teaching zelda in the past the same way If he didn't have the history then you can go. I don't know But he did it before and he deleted that tweet along with this one Suggesting that they're both zelda because we already know the last one was zelda Let's remind ourselves jeff grub a few months ago said he heard something zelda that's not choosing the king this year However, once that they we already knew it was coming before jeff grub said this but once they released the organization's season on nso Uh, he responded to a tweet because people were like, oh, is this what you meant? He's like, oh, may I maybe because he was he's I guess he was worried about blowback They'd be reads replies actually no, but I don't know so maybe yeah, he basically saying These games were already announced before I said that I wanted I wanted you to wrap this up if I was just talking about that but also I don't know what that's also not true because I don't think he actually knew what it was. I think his Literally told him something. Yes And the source told him it would be something not tears of the kingdom related I know right Even though jeff grub himself would not have considered this This could have been it because his source might have considered that Why would you why wouldn't that would have been inside knowledge? Hey, you know this and you don't tend to already announced If we already the oracles games were already publicly announced Right So that's why jeff would never say that was new news, but his source might have considered that new news But so jeff really doesn't know it's a source didn't tell him specifically and that's why he hasn't reported it, right? It's just I'm saying yeah But it the point is I think some people might think that's decon it's not deconfirmed It's up in the air Okay, true. I agree with that. Yeah, we have this like sort of adds more fuel to the fire And then you go well when the hell would they even reveal anything at this point? Starting to set the fact they've been doing twitter drops this like the last few years Got banned out of threes release date was just a random drop on a random day Outside of a direct so it's not impossible for them to announce something And I will note that there could be and I know people always scoff at this Nintendo has a zelda game up for game of the year and beyond that It's going to end up winning other awards at the game awards. It could be a good time to tease Game of the year, but no one others for sure What would you guys prefer? What would you guys prefer? An avenue to tease a zelda something. Yeah. Yeah on that. No, I just kind of like what like not what you think Just like what would you prefer like what would you want? Okay? Would you prefer the nintendo just like hey? Twilight Prince of women of grades D. They've been adapted for switch controls. No crazy changes, but you can get both Shall dropped at yeah at 60 fps. Like that's maybe the biggest But like nothing major like there's no content changes no real visual upgrades. They don't have to change the wind waker a little bit Very like just the mind the most minute things they have to change to get it on switch, you know, like bare bones updates for these games But both of them Shall dropped in december as a game board's announcement to hype up tears of the king George's zelda overall Or would you rather to give us like a quick like 30 second teaser of an ambitious remake? That's either a valkyrie time or try that princess. Why would I not want that latter one, right? We already have the wind waker in trailer princess hd. Why wouldn't I want something that's more crazy? When you made that face, I thought you're gonna say a lot. I want a remake obviously I want one way Only you chose specifically twilight princess or a career of time as if it couldn't be any other game It's because the reason to say twilight princess is the Wii U tech demo Yes, I think of time is just because it's a fucking time. Yes Well, there's a little bit more to it than that, but I don't think Nintendo announces anything zelda unless tears of the kingdom wins game of the year They don't want to do a big announcement You're not gonna give us a reward if it doesn't get ahead of the year No, they're petty like that man. I don't think so. I mean, I think I know Here's the thing I think what's forgotten is everyone who wins the award. They're already knows it ahead of time So Nintendo will exactly exactly. That's what I mean. So Use the problem though votes haven't happened yet. Jake rand who says tears of the kingdom has no He's he's out on zelda anything Me meanwhile, I think it's gonna win Yeah, I can win I like the perspective of someone who's wrong like I just are real or not win I just want to go over timing real quick right now I swear when I put that case in tatum jersey, I don't want to be so pissed if dr. Serkan toto Has info. I'll let you get a stomach stomach zelda coming And and this idea That nintendo is waiting to maybe maybe not announce this based off of tears of kingdom wins or not They haven't done the vote yet. We don't know they no one knows if tears of the king reality No people people don't vote on that stuff Well, we vote the there's a fan vote thing But it means my point simply is illusion if there's a teaser happening It's happening regardless of whether tears of the kingdom wins or not Zelda's gonna win some awards. How about if it's a movie most awarded games. They just might not win the game of the year Let's practice. He's link. Okay. So what's the r4? No, it's tom hall and it's laying get it right Okay. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. What is the art? What is the r? Look at zelda. What zelda? Really, it's a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah ring toss adventures zelda ring fit adventure Ring fit zelda real live action. It's it's like crossbow training real live action But anyways the idea is that they're potentially there's a an opportunity and doesn't even have to be at the game awards But that there is a potential tease that something zelda Remaker remaster could be announced before the end of this year So the real question I have is we don't none of us know if it's that we we could talk about is it gonna happen? Is it not gonna happen? None of us really know But let's let's let's let's entertain that they will announce something before the end of the year Even if it's just a twitter drop or maybe they have a a direct mini or something. I don't know zelda 8 What do you want it to be zelda 2 hd? Like remake remaster It doesn't even have to be the 3d games I I think I think we're too fresh off the heels of a brand new game And I think that a I think I think a remaster would be healthy I think we're a long overdue the twilight princess one I think we're also long overdue awkward at a time and the drawers mask remake But yeah, what you said austin I think it would have to be a two something 2d Really you think they would all it would be really cool if they made it even as a quick to um What is it that what's the one on the the 3ds between worlds? Yes, that would be awesome. Like I would I would love to see you look what they would spinach cap It looks like they would be able to get that over really well So it will be a remake like what's awakening Oh, I'm muted It's not necessarily what I want most but I'd still love it. Yeah, like it's like What do you want the most when you're picking between all these options that you'd like regardless? So it's a great problem to have if anything, but I just want to point something else out On making the assumption this announcement's happening the game awards it made happen before then right But I think if it is at the game boards, we should consider the audience Not they you don't just put anything on that princess, baby If that would fit the game words Typecraft yeah, but a chibi style links awakening wouldn't fit the game awards audience Just saying now like between worlds would potentially that would would probably look different than links awakening But I'm just saying I don't know if it's that's like a great match for the audience You know would fit that audience though a remake of like link to the past That's one of the most popular especially with more casuals elder fans. It's one of the most popular ones ever made Could also argue ocarina of time would be a huge one Yeah, but I was thinking for 2d specifically But yeah Might be the most mainstream Dude of their older stuff everybody everybody see the the jimily style Um ocarina of time that wrong wrong link made that little clip Yeah, that could be something they can announce like a like a series that in that store animation style By wrong link. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's not I mean, maybe it's not a game. It's just the only thing is the r Makes me think I mean it could be it could the r could stand for reveal So maybe it's a zelda movie reveal or zelda anime reveal or something But I feel like it would have put like zm r, you know like or zar not just zr a reboot That's what I was just gonna say mikey you guys are all wrong It's zelda reboot and they're gonna take zelda one and make it ultra realistic Yeah, it's coming That's basically what breath of the wild was in my opinion exact I mean, yeah, jake you and I are in the same page I mean that it's breath of the wild is a spiritual successor to the original zelda like just that's that's on that's on the record Yep, yeah, they even did an eight. I always saw it that way it made perfect sense Yeah, and then they did an eight bit version just like the og zelda just to test things out Just idea why now that would be cool. What if they were to release that? Like they kind of completed that as a game That legend is zelda tech demo Oh That would be cool a 2d zelda in the breath of the wild universe. That'd be kind of cool Like that engine would be it would be interesting just uh Like I don't know man like there there's so many different avenues you can go and if you consider all the old zelda rumors There were stuff for opening of time. There was stuff for the oracle series um a lot of stuff floating out there like I know some there are there are people and I've seen it in the chat like oh, it's too close to tears of the kingdom I'm like, well, how much mario are we getting now? true Like uh, you can't tell me that For there to be more zelda because when mario Games coming I'm waiting for them to release a new curvy game on nso. I'm fucking starving I I guess I kind of talking about this in my podcast on monday I was kind of realized it um on my podcast on monday So maybe it's okay for me to kind of say it here. It's already kind of public stuff But I have this yeah, I'm not revealing any inside information. It's just kind of like a you know one of those brain blasts Huh What are you gonna say? What did you what did you say? I need to all right jimmy newtron come on Yeah, what did you say? All right, all right So the the little brain blast I had while I was reading the that tears of the kingdom interview that came out from last week We're just kind of listening to what um, I believe it was what anuma was saying um, and there was a part where he kind of mentioned that Uh, he was surprised or he was something to the effect of that he It wouldn't think that people today would know who raaru is from our cream of time And it kind of got me thinking about some other things that he said recently in the past And it just kind of got me on this train of thought that You know, like maybe this is him suggesting Or maybe not intentionally right, but at least showing that He thinks that octane time is no longer fresh like so even octane time 3d in his mind by those words Isn't is no longer relevant to like the modern gamer so basically if there was This idea to have a octane time remake project. He wouldn't say oh no We already have octane time 3d. He has made reference that people don't know who the original raaru is so Thinking about that and also thinking about a lot of the lore details and tears of the kingdom There's a lot of things in there which by the way, I theorized on in that latest interview kind of confirmed a lot of my Speculation like gandor's backstory sony's backstory how they're supposed to be parent or like secondary parents to king raaru and queen sony to princess zelda Um There's a lot of octane time references in there and while there isn't dlc It would be interesting If what nintendo does for next year is have like an octane time remake I I know this this is like the the hopeium coming in but it kind of makes sense to have something and an octane time remake With maybe like some slight tweaks to the story to maybe like make it relevant for alongside tears of the kingdom story Would be really great And it might in a way kind of function as like a separate dlc even though it it technically isn't There's one other Really hyped up like fan favorite possibility. We haven't discussed And that's a playable zelda game and just looking at what they just did with princess peach They've had to have talked about it, especially after all the people hoping that it would be a thing in tears of the kingdom And now you look at spider-man with miles morales and being able to play both characters in that game I don't know. It just seems something that Could happen higher warriors Yeah She's cool. That's a really great design Um, well, I mean you look at what what they did with breath of the wild zelda, right? Like she I mean like in the lead to release for breath of the wild There was a lot of speculation that the link they showed wasn't lincoln It was a girl and all that it wasn't true, but like it kind of showed that there was like this excitement I never saw any concrete evidence one way or the other but Well, the point is that there was a lot of people who are excited about the idea of maybe a female link or princess zelda being playable Right, even for breath of the wild before we knew about that And going into tears of the kingdom like we've seen princess zelda take a significant role the story Even more so in tears of the king she has an active role of at least the story of the game More so than any prior zelda Didn't we talk about this like a game that takes place during The adventure zelda had when she was in the past Mm-hmm. I don't know The flashbacks we saw yeah, yeah, I feel like there would be a dlc like if I If there was to be any dlc to tears of the kingdom which we know at this point There isn't but if there was I feel like that would definitely be There might not necessarily be dlc, but a standalone That's essentially a dlc like what xeno blade torna was to yeah It's just exclusive And that's why I got from no, there's no dlc for this because it's yeah gonna be a standalone on switch too I think they should make a zelda tower defense mobile game. I don't know I just feel like They could charge 40 for that Really just feels like they just like they're like we're done with tears of the kingdom And like we're done with breath like this this yeah out of zelda I feel like that that would it feel like them just saying yeah, this is it guys This is our last like swan song of this part of this kind of zelda game and this kind of world and art style and all that And now we're moving on to better and bigger things question. I could I could agree with that too, honestly That makes sense too. Yeah For sure anyways They got your phone crazy No, we can't all right, um pokemon I've never caught a shiny ever in my life Do you know what? Maybe don't get hooked to it. It's basically die gambling. Well the problem now So easy now Like if you look up like a guy and how to do it you could probably do in like a couple hours It's no you can't especially in the newer games. Um, I was gonna ask Is you have to see them though the thing is like do you just see them in the overworld? Yes, but you can do things to make it so they just like You just look at a bunch of them spawn and you just pick the one out like it's so easy. It is. Um Totally off to our question and maybe we talked about this last week But I know we haven't talked about it this time around If you could choose if okay, if you could make like a mario wonder 3d mario game Or if you could maybe mario wonder if I a previous mario 3d mario game What mario game would it be and what would it look like to you guys? I think I think they would sit perfectly I think I think like Doings is like really weird, but fun things with like the game like just having like really weird I think it would Destroy the identity of any previous 3d mario. That's fair. No, that's fair. I think I think making a new entry. I agree with jake for the first time tonight. Yeah He's got one one of the chamber, baby I also think that mario wonder has actually taken a lot of inspiration from 3d mario So it's kind of like mario wonder is kind of like a 2d mario game made with a lot of 3d mario inspiration I'm hearing the 3d mario games are suddenly not great But Because we're talking about needing this hypothetical weird thing to happen. I'm like, why why wouldn't I even want that? I'm not needing it. He was just a hypothetical like what, you know, it would be interesting Yeah, yeah I mean that's like maybe that's like a remix like if they were to re-release one then you kind of I mean it kind of did something like that with a 3d world and when they released bowser's fury I'll tell you this if they were to go back tomorrow sunshine and consolidate some of the blue coins to like some sort of weird That would be perfect. I think that would be a really good place. It's applicable But you just maybe like yeah, like and that's just like an extra star in each of the worlds or something You messed up perfection. Yeah, I would say did you just say mario sunshine's perfection? I would say mario brothers three Tomorrow My favorite 3d mario. Yeah No, I like mario mario three is my favorite mario Before I play mario wonder and super mario world, which is Which mario wonder is more like a spiritual successor to mario three and and super mario world I'll tell you why I really like I know this is just a four fine conversation, right? Like it's It's hard for me though, like thinking of doing it because For me like mario wonder works so well with what that game is I kind of want it just to stay there. Yeah, right Or a new 3d mario. Yeah, I think a new 3d mario with Yeah, I kind of get like a little uncomfortable thinking about the old games being changed like that. I know again I agree. I know it's just like a fun thing to think about but There's a way it can still happen because if if they do base they have mario wonder involved into mario maker three They can add that wonder seed in there and then people can start making levels using the the NES mario wonder. I mean mario with uh with us, you know, mario maker. Yeah, like remaking like previous 2d mario. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I guess I I guess I should have The question Marios, right I think I think the next 3d entry if it's not going to be odyssey, too I think it needs to be something really weird like mario How's the fury too? I think I think bowser's fury was awesome. I thought that was a great Mario, baby. I think I want I want more of whatever bowser's fury was. Yeah, but it was I don't think it is going to be in odyssey, too. I think it is going to be something That I mean you talked about this before how odyssey started out as evergreen and kind of died off for whatever reason And now that it just seems like there's a different energy to mario now since the movie came out Yeah And I don't obviously nintendo has been playing this for years But I I think they've had this in mind and I so I do expect something Kind of different The the trailer whether just tells me that it tells them to double down on like open 3d mario Yeah, I think like The 3d mario game is going to be something that's mind-blowing Um, when they do reveal it. I I just think it's like even something I hate always liking things to the way that they ended up revealing breath of the wild But I kind of think if it's an open world game There's going to be one of these things where mario does a wahoo jump thing and all of a sudden He's at this really high point whatever whether it's a cliff whether it's on a spaceship I want yoshi to do my damn mouth overlook This world that has such a level of detail that we've never seen with the with the draw distance and everything And you're gonna be multiple cities Brooklyn Brooklyn. Yeah Crazy stuff. Oh Go nuts kind of like new donk city, but like Instead of like just one world like I'm like, it'll look completely open like you can just go wherever Whatever, but there's obviously objective, you know, I don't know how they want to handle it. That's up to them but it just If and then this is just saying that they I can't even say there's not a basis because they Did play around with open world mario already a bit with boundaries fury, right? passion so this would be like Take the limitation away and just run with it. What do you do? And I think that I'm not saying open world is whatever game should do. I was surprised how well it actually worked with bowser's fury. Yep Listen, yeah, it worked really well. I mentioned the mario wonder. I'm being serious. Um, you look at mario wonder I'm not saying like listen I don't think the wonder should be in the next 3d mario. I think that's two separate things, but There's a lot of things about mario wonder that are clearly taking inspiration from 3d mario One of and well just one interesting element. Um, that I know is about wonder though is the map they they that's more of an open design You can do levels out of order. You can kind of choose your own path And it kind of goes back to This is kind of like a design style We're seeing with a lot of Nintendo games now, right? And then you look at bowser's fury. For example, obviously breath of volunteer is the kingdom Giving people a a big adventure they can where they can kind of freely choose what they want to do I think there's a lot of merit to that idea actually Sure Yeah That actually reminded me of uh barrio RPG a little something the little you know tibie mario in the open area Hmm So we're going to pivot quick and get into the q and a section guys If you have any questions if you're watching live version that you want to submit There's a super chat at least two dollars Uh, so you can type a question out and uh, it can be for one of us It can be for all of us or I can just be for fun Whatever you want to do as long as it's a video game related topic Uh, we take our six ten is who's talking about zelda racine wisconsin. What could it mean? I'm not even gonna touch this one it's gonna be The next miss wisconsin someone names zelda racine I like that name for if I ever Is that is that your alt andres taker six one zero No takers his own person Oh And then uh, we did have a five other one from boom any come and say what's the deal with minish cap Is it a nintendo game or a capcom game? I'm seeing mixed responses online Also great podcast. Well first. I think capcom developed it, but it's obviously nintendo's uh, france I don't think capcom published it I guess maybe that's where the confusion is because capcom's a publisher and a developer But I think nintendo just kind of outsourced it to capcom. Yeah, they hired capcom to make that They also hired them to make oracle games, but nintendo owns them Or like another example like ike sega developed Yeah, it's still a nintendo game. Hey, I was gonna say that what the heck or star fox assault Um, I think that was namco. I wasn't gonna say that one Let's see things that work do get confusing is Bayonetta two and three nintendo owns the publishing rights to two and three, but they don't own the ip sega owns the ip But platinum develops the games Yeah, that's that's one where it gets really confusing But anytime you see like a third party publisher making a First party nintendo ip game nintendo owns that game in time. Yeah, like country Except the rabbits were Well, that was like that's a crossover game. That's different. There's a country your original was made by rare, which I think right Um, but it they were partially owned by nintendo though, which is they owned the 50% literally Yeah, right down the middle. That was yeah, so that was like it was like second party Yeah, it was like second party. Yeah, nintendo's character like nintendo owns country I don't think nintendo owned 50% because if they owned 50% then when microsoft bought them they could have not owned more than 50% Yeah, they said nintendo sold their 50 to microsoft they they off So the owners of rare the the founders or did they have like 49% or something? No, no, no, no It was 50 50. The owners went to nintendo and said we want to sell you Our shares so you can just outright own rare. They want to be a whole But we don't we don't they wanted to retire Uh nintendo said no and for those who don't know the history of rare The people who founded it were the creative visionaries. They didn't want to own rare without the creative visionaries A lot of people blame microsoft for the downfall of rare when a lot of it is because the people who were the minds behind It's like losing me a moto right after he releases one mario game So that's the reason nintendo didn't do it nintendo didn't want to do it So they informed nintendo then we intend to sell our half to Microsoft and so the nintendo talked to microsoft and they cut a deal to buy all the shares and and just all right on That's quite a deal. They struck Oh, it was so it was a very cheap deal Well, the share you know, it was funny when microsoft got the deal Apparently they thought they got the rights to to donkey kong. Yeah They thought they bought donkey kong and it's like no You own branjo You you own you don't own donkey kong. You know that was never funny. Some someone might can feedback You know like someone could confuse banjo for donkey kong Yeah, I suppose like if you're a mom on christmas, right, especially Yeah That's the only scenario I really You know the reason like my fiance won't won't call like a play stations in nintendo because if she knows if I do that I will slap her Hey, that's kidding. She'd probably slap me Yeah, I'm just gonna say like there are people who think link is a girl like because Yeah, or you know, like Or zelda is link he's much more Link is much more of a blank slate. They're like we always talk about that how like he's the character, but I mean Very much blank like it really could be anything the developers have referenced him as a man several times. Yeah Who I mean he's cannot is canonically a boy who link. Yeah They've they've literally referenced Breath of law in tears of the kingdom like they've characterized link more so than any other fires You can argue that that the whole reason that they always make him look with that complexion and all that it's so female players can still Yeah, they try to To teeter like they're never gonna make him like dude bro like 50 year old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's never gonna be Muscular yeah, like that. Yeah, there's always gonna be someone that like you want that go play witcher It's like and it's like um a definitely boy bands. You can't really tell. Well, that's one of this way if links are girl Then he takes off his shirt. We're seeing titties Oh, yeah, I mean obviously In breath of wild. He's a guy because like he infiltrates the um Gerudo he penetrates the Gerudo He's I said infiltrates. He doesn't penetrate Nintendo is very careful. I don't I think link is completely asexual Link doesn't penetrate shit. Link doesn't penetrate his own right hand. Are you talking about or he's living in his house now Now they share a bed Yeah, that's it. That's all they share That's why she feels so comfortable and Jake was there. I'm not good. This is bait. This is bait and He got it. Yeah He finally can take the bait They don't show me whatever website you gotta show me Exactly I do insist on town town, baby They gotta keep it. No, but I I do In all seriousness, andres, it's not bait. I I do genuinely feel that way about link I mean, I I I make I've made a lot of Zelda theory videos I know a lot of people don't want to believe that link and Zelda have a relationship I strongly disagree, but I respect your opinion That's your opinion. Yeah It is But that's I mean the thing is the tell designs things in a way where they it is intentionally left for some level Interpretation so even though I strongly disagree all part of me also has to agree that hey if that's how you choose to interpret it That's okay because nintendo intentionally designs their games with some level ambiguity for that reason And I would have to say the same thing about how you feel because And again, that's for the same reason. And so if you say you're wrong either. Yeah, that's just your oh, that's wrong That says it's an electric mouse, but it's a rabbit I don't think nintendo's ever specifically said that link was designed in a way for That that we're claiming nintendo does it for I think we're just assuming Yeah I'm all just made up made up made a man who's going to sword who protects the princess. I think it was based on his childhood Yeah, exactly a child like I don't think they've ever pretended link is anything other than a guy. Exactly. Well that part That part is assumptions maybe because he's a pretty boy But let's be honest pretty boys tend to have more feminine features. Yeah, I just want to make it clear I'm not saying that that part is not it's not clear cut like in terms of like links relationship status You know what we interpret of zealous motivations like those things are left for some level of interpretation You know what happened with the timeline like those things are some level of flexibility But yeah link being a boy. I mean he's a boy like you know There's a reference as an example like the hero shade is an ancestor of link and that's the hero time So he had to have sex at some point with the female to produce a child Yeah podcast become this should make a Actually You know what I want to have a child But I They are gross. They are they are disgusting. Let me just do a cup quick. All right. Let me let's yes Let's talk about this So is that what Small little cap. Is that what it means? It's got a little burn out. Are we gonna make a miniscap? Miniscap is that what is it? It was the original origin story of links hat, but then it got completely wrecked on Okay, but at the time as low miniscap is the game where limby calls because like really small, right? Yes You know why they won't bring back That's game They can never remake miniscap and I'll explain why So people will be like why we why we why are the minish lying? All right, you know, I learned the other day that there's No cap Did you know there's multiple tingle games? Yes, yeah And all the names are Oh, have you actually played the tingle games? No And why are you uncomfortable? They're not I said the names are uncomfortable. You're like the rosy rupee land and uh, yeah Why is it uncomfortable? I don't know why that's uncomfortable. All right. Let me look up all the tingle names Let's think what's a what's a tingle his name tingles name is uncomfortable All right. All right. All right. Tell me this is a this is an okay name. Okay, Mike doesn't know tingles rosy rupee land Yeah, Peter single Well, Mike the tingle No All right, okay. How about this one rip into tingles balloon trip of love? Yes, that was pretty Oh, come on. That's in the game. You can't tell me that's okay. That's the name of the game What game is this That's the game That is the game ripen tingles balloon trip of love. That is the name of the game ripen tingles balloon trip But okay, so do you think it's creepy when you go to like a fair and there's the the the the boat the love boat If they call it the if they call it the ripen trip of boat trip of love. I think it's a little creepy Yes, especially if i'm 15 years old and there's a middle-aged old man We're in green tights. Why are you getting so specific? Oh, because that's what that's what the character is. That's your He's not middle-aged in the jungle games. This is his origin story. Link. Link. Where's green tights those three games are his origin It's not it is not technically middle-aged. I am staying away from tingle. I don't know We'll care I don't know why why a ripened balloon trip is such a big deal of love. I don't get it. Yeah You guys have the dirty mines. This is Japan play the game. It's such a Heart felt story. Oh, you don't you think they don't think about this. Japan has way dirtier minds than us Well, okay, you're not wrong. The thing is the thing is for them their culture. That's it's not considered dirty It's just considered natural Wow They are actually really really fun They are legitimately good games. I am not saying they aren't good games. I would love if they were I'd play them But that don't tell me the names aren't funny because they're funny Well, they wouldn't be translated that way in english anyways That'd be disappointed But that that's kind of And let's not get started on captain rainbow Um, we have it. We have another If another Warren v uh wants to know What do you think of the switch feature updating the docks firmware? Is it a feature to be used when the switch 2 comes out? Do we have any concrete proof? I think this the the docks firmware actually updates whenever we really we get a switch update No, it hasn't changed at all yet. It has had no updates. We know from data mines. It literally has not updated at all We just have the ability to do it. But there isn't any updates out yet. Yeah, I think that's the theory This is this is where the theory comes in Uh, this OLED dock, which if I can you can kind of see if they don't want to unplug everything Um, it has the chipset in it to run HDMI 2.1 and do 4k, but it's just not enabled So a lot of people theorized two different things one that this dock was originally designed for the switch pro that didn't come out Um, so this is just a feature that they end up not using because it was for a product that got cancelled Or or that they were future proofing the dock So when the switch 2 comes out you don't necessarily have to get rid of this And you can use that with it. I think I think it possibly makes sense And i'm just wondering if you agree nate it could be both Like they were designing this Dock for the switch pro or whatever And then when they realized they couldn't get the parts and all the only upgrade they could do was just the OLED screens Well, we can still do this Let's do it So but just tweak it so when the next switch does come out These docks will still be ready to go. Do you think maybe they Yeah, they could have yeah And so that's where the question sort of comes from because like hey, they haven't actually done it But it can be updated Would that be for a switch 2 at this point? That also would allow them to sell a switchless or a dockless switch too Because you already have for those that have this OLED dock you wouldn't necessarily need another one to save money I think my counter to that is I think they would still sell it with the dock But this would be like a pro feature like oh, but if you have multiple TVs you can you could use this stock for the new one too I don't think they would do that because and i'm mentioning this specifically because what people tend to do with their old systems They'll trade them in to help pay the new one and you can't just trade on to switch on its own You have to have to include the dock with the trade in so um, I think that Uh, I think it's just one of those for people who don't trade it in and you already have a dock Okay, well, we'll give you another dock and now you can have multiple TVs You can have your switch and your switch 2 hooked up right you can be used in in each of those docks I think I don't think that this is a A crazy question to be asked the only thing I think that would Possibly prevent that is if the new switch 2 is a little thicker then it might not fit in the dock Uh, so like that would be considered But also there's ways nintendo could still keep it this then vapor chamber cooling as an example is very popular in phones It is a way nintendo could still keep it keep a similar form factor. So I let's just put it this way. It's entirely possible. We don't know It's entirely possible We just don't know but yes There is an ability to update the firmware to enable hdmi 2.1 and give you the 4k blah blah blah But it's just it's just disabled right now because switch doesn't support it. So it doesn't really matter You know, it's crazy that at one point during the switches Life cycle they updated it so it could technically Run at a higher clock speed Yep, they just added that later. Yep Yeah, it's like, hey, we're we're we're gonna release the kraken. We're gonna Let a little bit more of a power out. I think it was They were afraid of overheating and and burning hands and then they realized Oh Later, oh, we can push this a little further in just dock mode and people will be just fine the cooling's good enough And so they did that and by the way, you can actually push it further people have overclocked it and yada yada But the thing is is like You can the people who even overclocking me like well, this is why they don't support it because if you go grab your switch and Pull it out. It's pretty fucking hot the over So it'll burn you but it's clearly not it's not something that you consider safe, especially if our device kids might be touching Yeah, what if one gets defective or you know, and that's why I keep suggesting like with a more powerful chip More power efficiently. I mean vapor chamber cooling makes sense. It's just more expensive So it's how premium does nintendo want the product to be Because we're seeing on a lot of these handheld pcs. What's one thing that are not really doing vapor chamber cooling They're doing giant massive heat sinks instead so It it's it's interesting to see what nintendo is going to do. Um, but yeah, it absolutely could Be possible. It's one of those until nintendo announces that we don't know Because I could see nintendo going I mean There's a lot of possibilities and if this is just a sequel system Which is what it seems like all the rumors are saying it is I can see them going all Of your nintendo switch sex accessories are compatible So you want to slide your joycons on we will support that with our rail system But not the not the original dogs though. What not the original docks though But you know, they'll say you can use that but you will be limited to 1080p That's all you think that would work. You think they would do that. Yeah, you know, I have three dogs If you want to use the og doc, they'll just tell you just you know Literally you can even plug the switch and it can even have a warning that pops up because they will recognize the old Doc and just say hey just so you know With this doc, you can only have a 1080p image I love having like when I first saw the switch like the first trailer My dream was always having multiple docks so I could just go from one room to another Yeah, I got them all in the house now and I only just recently got multiple docks like this year You enjoy docking andres Yes, he enjoys Taking something that has to be filled and then throwing it to output Yes We'll just leave it at that. I don't want to get to this one Yeah Look, it's literally no matter what room of the house you're in you want to be able to dock Exactly In some cases that used to be referred to as mounting For that Please just end the podcast Right out get us out of here You're the one I don't understand somewhere our wires got crossed because you're you're you're you're saying that I'm confirming what you said Exactly nothing nothing I said was dirty. I don't know what is going on right now You guys need to get your mind out of the gutter This is coming from the guy just denied it That the tingle games are Completely innocent show that just happens to have a lot of weird things in it I'm just Different that's a you problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very clean. We'll keep it clean tonight. Is it Unclean I gotta edit my tagline a little bit A little bit a little bit All right, all right, I don't want to hear you Uh, we we can go ahead and wind this thing down. Uh, we'll go around the room Tell me what's going on where they can find you. I know flam's got some events to speak some stream going on buddy. Um, so I so yeah, we got some events coming up. We have Um, I'm gonna have to do a charity stream soon for Mario Kart. We're gonna do the Mario Kart Charity stream. I might invite plenty of you guys on this podcast to said stream Are you gonna wait till November 9th? It's gonna be it's gonna be the weekend before Thanksgiving actually so it will be out after knowing right I I need more time to plan it because it's like a big event that we do and it's for Feeding America Nice. Um, also go follow. It's finally happening. We're on youtube, baby We got lots of content on youtube. We got stream highlights. I'm posting daily short form I'm posting weekly regular form. I'm telling stories. It's up. We're we're so up. 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Uh, well, hopefully it's today or hopefully it's by the end of the week. Um, we are I want to say somewhat fast approaching. Um, 33,000 subscribers or less Um, yes, it's all relative, right because we're definitely growing slower now than we were leading up 130,000 subscribers I'm going backwards. Yes We're still negative, baby. We haven't had a positive month in four months. Let's go So my goal is to catch up to nintendo prime in about two years. So Yeah, but I talk about nintendo every day, you know, zelda remakes maru cart switch to God knows what i'll talk about tomorrow when I wake up, but Big firm is talking It won't be about that. I can guarantee that I thought you were going to put the merits of of of being able to dock in every room Exactly. Oh, I'll put on, you know what? Um, we'll workshop it a little bit. Maybe there is something there Okay, I would I would subscribe. I would like I would make like 20 alts just to subscribe 20 times Hell, yeah, I only want real subscribers though. So if you better, I would watch for me every video For the full links on each browser windows with all the counts to watch every video Exactly. You guys until the day I die a long time from exactly someone wouldn't even click on ads. It would be full one Automated process. No, don't do that. That's body. Then you get in trouble. Um, Anyways, I'll do it Anyway, yeah Nintendo I talk about it every day. Check them out. I'll just restart youtube Eric more the wise What are you guys going on and where can they find you? I am here On the podcast keeping it clean pretty much it I guess twitter acts. I don't actually you're not just keeping it clean. You're doing the cleaning. Yeah, right You just you just show proof earlier, right? Yeah, no, that's it. I'm pretty much here. Yep every wednesday or most wednesdays. Yeah My god, I see what are you going on? Where can they find you? What's going on? I'm at my god. I see on youtube my god. I see what he on twitter and What's the other one instagram? and um I do monday through friday news. I'm i'm actually Stepping back a little bit on the news. I do I do, you know, I've skipped some days no purpose Because i'm trying to stay on news, but hearing away towards news little by little. I'm doing some new content now Going hunting for video games pretty soon going hunting for I'm etsy hunting for nintendo treasures and I already have my first episode in editing I found like a really rare zelda Thing that somebody made that's incredible I've never seen anything before like in my life and I think you guys are gonna enjoy it So the fans and so i'm excited for that first episode and so yeah I'm working on new content just expanding my horizons and products reviews games and And some news here and there at mike odyssey and of course we have the odyssey not the odyssey living topics podcast Which is uh, which is like before right before this one Um, we have the topics podcast every wednesday Yo, that's sick I was off a good new podcast Jake rando who tried to keep it clean. I think you kept it clean, but That's Fry is a word for sure You could find me jake randall on youtube Jake randall on twitter slash x two inch destroyer on only fans I'm been inspired by the docking content tonight might have to add some of that to the only fan as well Fresh upload on only fans tonight Exactly exactly, but i've been i've been live streaming. Um, a lot of games lately, which I hadn't done in a while. Um, and then I make Videos about I do gaming news too, but more hardware related announcement related. So I guess like switch to All right, cool You guys knew I am at this point because this is the nintendo prime podcast. However, I should note a couple of things um, the one of our more recent episodes, uh, like basically Went viral for us audio eyes and had it almost a thousand listens on audio It found an audience that definitely is not the same one here So, uh, hi, I am nathan and rumpel jantz. I'm the guy runs in tenor prime I should check out the youtube channel Uh, because there's a lot more content there You don't have to always wait till wednesday for all of the topics to at least get my opinion out the door You notice, um, I sometimes shut up because I want everyone else to talk because I usually have already talked On a lot of the topics but tonight I had a bit more to say just because I hadn't put up a video in a couple days So, um, I just wanted to get some opinions out the door But yeah, you guys should uh, check out the nintendo prime youtube channel Foreign research type nintendo prime and google and everything's me Uh, the good and the bad so enjoy All right guys, well that's episode 44 of the nintendo Thanks everybody for watching and listening and being a cool gamer Oh, yeah, we're so I'm not doing the I'm not doing the other thing because I'll freeze don't do it. You're free. Yeah Do you might need to just disable it at this point mike? Yeah, if I do that you can't be disabled. Anyways, hi you guys Oh a tease to the people here live one second Yes, tease me. We have our we have our guests already locked in for next week Uh, we have cap urgeson coming back Congrats to the cap And then for the first time ever nintendo land coming on Next week that's exciting Nice a long time in the making to get him on it's gonna be nintendo land nintendo land is part also It's part of the ntopic podcast. He's a pretty good guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a pretty good guy. All right