 They grew extinct, extinct, so... Well, they got extinct also, because diapers. Well, you know, it's interesting is, you know, that's part of the whole thing with why we're such, you know, community-minded individuals, because we needed to have a larger group to help with the welfare of... Incapable babies. Well, listen, we have individually-minded people who say, the community isn't as important as you think it is, because we needed those people to be out scouting and finding new places and new dangers to warn us about. Like, it all works together. So this idea of like, no, individualism is the right way. No, community is the right way. It's like, no, you're both right. You need... Well, let me tell you, when you have a small baby to take care of, community is the right way. Yeah. There is no question about that. It takes a village. Or at least some parent-in-laws. I'm speaking evolutionarily, Patrick, of course. Well, evolutionarily, when you have a baby... Patrick, you just can't get past it. You're like, you just don't understand. Shut up. But people have more babies, you know? That is what I don't get. That's the thing, you know? It's like, you're like, this is the worst. I'm going to find out by September whether or not, when you have more than one, does it just sort of like, just kind of blend into the background? It's like, okay, I get it. You like... Every thing I'm hearing is it gets impossibler-er. Roger's doing it for science. I'm doing it for science. Well, more power to you. I'll let you know. I think I already know, Roger. I'm sorry. I think you do. Roger is going to take an evidence-based approach. All right, you guys are ready? Yes. Uh, you know what state I was born in? Ah, readiness. Well, either that or Minnesota. But I think I was born in Minnesota. You were born in Minnesota? No. It was made of concrete. All right, here we go. Three, two... This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 3rd, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. Hey, uh, the intro claimed it was going to be smart, informed people that is going to be delivering the tech news. That is not me. I'm Patrick Beja and I'm in Finland. All right, an introduction. Smart and informed, Patrick. Don't let anyone tell you different. All right. Hey, you know who else is smart and informed? Our producer, Roger Chang. Well, I thank you, Tom. That's the kindest thing you've said to me this month. Possibly. We're three days into the month, folks. All right. Tom must have said something to share with me. Is this how we all act the day before Independence Day in the United States? Patrick is stolen because he doesn't get it off and we're all goofy. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Let's do it. Google Cloud Chief Operating Officer Diane Brand has left the company. After less than a year, Brian took a temporary leave from her 25-year-plus job at Intel in May, due at the time to what she said were family matters. But then she joined Google under Cloud CEO Diane Greene. Her name has been floated as a possible successor to Intel CEO Brian Krizanich, who recently stepped down. So family matters being her family wanted more money that she would get at the new job? Perhaps. Amazon has confirmed a Geekwire report that it's opening its checkout-free Amazon Go retail store with a new location in Seattle set to open in fall 2018. According to Seattle Permits, the store is larger than the original version, approximately 3,000 square feet versus 1,800 square feet of the original. Mm-hmm. Facebook announced it's shutting down the apps Hello, Moves, and TBH, because none of you use them. Well, at least not enough of you. Hello was an Android app available in Brazil, Nigeria, and the US. Moves recorded fitness activity, and Facebook just acquired TBH's anonymous social network eight months ago. Facebook said low usage is the reason for the shutdown and the need to prioritize more services to its core audience. Facebook says it will delete user data from its servers within 90 days of shutting down those apps sometime in the next few weeks. I used Moves, not recently. It was a cool app that did stuff fitness-wise that so many other apps do now. I'm not surprised it went away. When I say things like none of you, I immediately think I'm going to get an email from the person who's like, I didn't expect it to be my co-host this time. Hey, I said I used to use Moves. I don't anymore. It all makes sense. Let's talk a little bit more about Samsung phones. Right. Well, some Samsung phones at least, some Samsung phone users have reported the default Samsung Messages app is sending pictures stored on their device to random contacts via SMS. One post on Reddit claims that Samsung Messages sent out an entire photo gallery to a contact in the middle of the night. The bug doesn't appear to alert the user that the pics are being sent. One theory is Samsung Messages and recent RCS, Rich Communication Services, profile updates on carriers is causing the bugs. In a statement to Gizmodo, Samsung said, we are aware of the reports regarding this matter and our technical teams are looking into it. Concerns customers are encouraged to contact us directly at 1-800-SAMSUNG. So this immediately reminded me of the Amazon Echo debacle where the woman had a conversation in her home that she did not know was being recorded sent out to I think it was like a employee of her husband or something where it's like, okay, it could be worse, but still potentially really bad. This is my worst nightmare. And it's not even because I don't want any of you to see my pictures or anything, but it's like, you cannot have your phone erroneously sending photos to a random contact. It is, this is how people get fired, friendships, and I could go on. This is way worse than the Amazon Echo. The Amazon Echo is a worst case scenario of a bug we all are familiar with, which is the accidental activation, right? And so we're like, oh, it was not only an accidental activation, it was when she didn't realize that it happened and it actually said like worst case scenario, but we all know how it could happen. This is not something you knew. This is not something, well, if I was really paranoid, I could have pressed mute. This is just out of nowhere. Your phone is taking your camera roll and sending a photo somewhere you don't know. So I guess the lesson here is be careful what you keep on your camera roll. You know, you're all taking the super negative approach to this. Maybe what about happy accidents? Maybe you had a few racy pictures on your phone and they get randomly sent to someone that you might not have engaged with otherwise. Oh, my gosh. Yes, your phone is flirting for you. I see. Yes. It's great. It's allowing us to be bolder. No, that's... Exactly. Thank you, Samsung. Wikipedia has blocked Italian readers Tuesday in protest of the proposed copy directives in the European Union we've been talking about. Italian visitors received a page claiming Wikipedia would be at risk of closing if articles 11 and 13 of the copyright directive went in force. Article 11 would extend copyright protection in full to publishers of press publications with the intent to stop products like Google News, particularly from scraping text from articles without paying the publishers a fee, often referred to as a link tax. Article 13 would require, and I'm quoting from the article now, information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of work or other subject matter uploaded by their users. So in other words, web companies who let users upload stuff to prevent the availability on their services of works or other subject matter identified by rights holders. The directive mentions the use of effective content recognition technologies as an example. So it's saying if you let users upload stuff, you need to do something to prevent copyrighted works from showing up and you could use a content recognition technology. We're going to give that out as an example and people are upset about the implications of this. Rightfully so. This is the Facebook articles, Facebook 1 and Facebook 2 or 11 and 13. I'm curious why only Italian visitors got that page. I'm guessing it's a test and it will be shown to, I'm hoping, all European visitors soon on Wikipedia and maybe even other pages. If you go to the English language page of Wikipedia in Europe, it will give you a banner alerting you to this rather than block the entire page. I don't know why they targeted Italy particularly, except maybe there is more support there or five-star movement is heavily in favor of this copyright directive and they're the Ascended Party there. I don't know. I don't get the banner when I am on Wikipedia. Ah, you have it. Okay. I said that based on a report, but you're there. So that's interesting. I'm not seeing it yet. Would you guys like to talk about privacy violations again? Because I got another one. Oh, please. Facebook is warning around 800,000 users that between May 29th and June 25th, a bug caused the system to unblock at least one person that a user had previously blocked. This applied to both Facebook and Facebook Messenger, meaning that supposed blocked users could still view the profiles of people who had blocked them and also potentially send them messages, which is the whole point of blocking, not to be able to do either of those things. Facebook says it has since been fixed. There was an issue. It has acknowledged that and says users who were affected will get a message from the company warning them that this happened. This one makes more sense than the Samsung one. The RCS explanation makes some amount of sense. This one, Facebook, is actually engaged with Josh Constine, I think, from Ars Technica. Saying, I'm sorry, from TechCrunch. My apologies, Josh, TechCrunch, and Ars Technica. Former co-worker. I just know where he works. Yeah, no, I'm glad to copy on that. This one, apparently what Facebook says is that they pair records for access and some pairs got deleted because of a bug. Now, they haven't explained that part of the bug, but I can see that happening and then it just accidentally unblocks. 800,000 is a small percentage for Facebook, but it's a lot of people. Yeah, and this is the sort of thing, again, the explanation does make sense at the same time. And it's not just Facebook, but Facebook is certainly a place where this is a very, very sensitive issue if somebody is harassing somebody else or otherwise not welcome to send messages or to see what somebody is doing on their timeline that you've been blocked from and be able to see that. That's a really big deal. It's probably not a big deal for most of us, fingers crossed, but in the cases that it is, it can actually be, and I'm not trying to be super dramatic, kind of life or death stuff. So you don't want that happening. The Supreme Court of California has ruled in the case of Hazel versus Byrd, that Yelp can't be ordered to take down negative comments. The decision overturned two lower court rulings that ordered Yelp to remove defamatory reviews posted by attorney Don Hazel's former client, Eva Byrd. Yelp challenged that ruling, arguing that Hazel had failed to prove Byrd's comments were actually defamatory, that it couldn't be held liable for speech posted on its platform. California's Supreme Court agreed. Hazel's attorney said in a statement that Hazel is considering all legal options, including review by the U.S. Supreme Court. I don't think that's probably a good idea for Hazel because defamation requires a heavy burden, including malice to prove. And if you read the post, which is in the court case, you can read the post that is at issue here. There's a lot of, they promised to do this and they didn't. Do not talk to the insurance company repeated over and over and over. So I honored that and did not speak to them and that turned out to be a bad idea. There is nothing defamatory at first glance here. Now, that's not a legal opinion. That's just looking through here. I don't see anything that is clearly over the line or malicious other than all caps steer clear of this law firm. But that's a legitimate opinion and opinions can't be defamatory. Yeah, this issue seems like it's two issues, right? One is that the comments made on Yelp were possibly not defamatory at all, which is what the Supreme Court of California decided even though the lower courts said the opposite. But then the bigger issue is, okay, well, what if they were? Is then Yelp required to take part in this because Yelp is basically saying, well, they weren't defamatory, but even if they were, this is also not our thing. This is where a platform, you know, like lots of other companies argue when these sorts of things arise. Yeah, and when I say defamation can't be an opinion, I mean, you have to state something that you know is false as a result of either negligence or malice. And that is not what's going on here. This is just, I don't think this person is very good. So it seems that the California Supreme Court is really inconsistent. It's curious that the lower courts didn't though. So who knows? Scientists from Duke University, MIT, and Nanyang Technological University published a paper in the journal Small describing the use of sound waves to detect cancer. Sound is directed at an angle to blood flow pushing circulating tumor cells or something called CTCs into a separate channel of the blood flow. So it's, imagine like a stent where your blood's coming out and then going back in and it kind of redirects the tumor cells off into a separate channel where they can be collected as a blood sample. And then analyzed, Duke professor Tony Jun Huang says the method can, quote, find out in a non-invasive manner, like much less invasive than a biopsy, whether the patient has cancer where the cancer is located, what stage it's in and what drugs would work best. The approach itself is actually three years old, but what's new here is that it can function in a clinical setting with 86% efficiency in an hour. The scientists think they can even make that faster and more efficient and available in a cheap disposable chip. So cancer detection that you could just try and throw away in the doctor's office. That's pretty amazing. I wonder if the 86% efficiency means that if you get a negative result, you probably still have to go do another procedure, maybe a biopsy to determine. Let's not jump into that conclusion. I'm not sure that's what efficiency means, but that is a fair, like separate from whether that's what the 86% efficiency means. That is a fair thing is, how often would there be false positives? And I have not fully read the journal article small. I could only read the abstract, so I don't know about that part of it. Right. Cheap disposable chip, sound waves. Yeah, I mean, obviously the Patrick's question is a good one, then what happens, right? You know, the sound wave version is like, okay, you might have cancer and it might be at the stage, then yes, there's probably some, you know, second and third and fourth steps to go through. This is what I heard about reacting to scientific articles. This is a peer reviewed article in a respected journal from Wiley. So they've thought of all of this. This is... Of course, we don't technically know exactly what the 86% efficiency in an hour means, but it's just the general thought if you have something that is not, especially with cancer, if you have something that is not 100% sure, 99% sure, then with such a big... 86% efficiency is not 86% accuracy. 86% efficiency, if I'm reading this correct, has something to do with part of the sample just didn't get used. It was a... Okay. Well, as somebody who, you know, I'm surrounded by people and animals with cancer and have been for years, anything that will help diagnose something earlier and less invasively, even if we still, there are some questions about, you know, the efficacy of this and where we go from here is a good thing. And there is no suggestion that there is any problem with the efficacy of the test. But Tom, let's do a headline here. It's now... Okay, never mind. That's all right. It's good though, because I'm sure a lot of people will look at that and think the same thing. So it's good to cover that. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines, available at DailyTechHeadlines.com. Let's talk about something that nobody disagrees on, cross-platform play. Everyone knows it's bad and wrong, and we shouldn't have it. And nobody wants it, right, Patrick? Amen. Absolutely. Exactly. It is hated university in the gaming industry. Well, not really, actually. It's pretty much Sony only, which is the most successful manufacturer for this generation of console, which is saying, hey, we don't want you to play with other people on other platforms or on other consoles to be exact, because we want to preserve our lead and take a competitive advantage on this. And this has been their policy for a long time, but now a new development has brought this under a significant amount of focus, and everyone is gunning for Sony at this point. So this happened right after E3, and the release of Fortnite, which, as everyone knows, is the most successful game in the universe right now, and very successful by a significant margin compared to other previous successes even. And Fortnite was released on the Nintendo Switch, and the PlayStation, as we mentioned, has had a policy of not allowing cross-play, which means when you start the game in a specific game, cross-play enables you to play with your friends that are on another platform, right? So you can play with people on the PlayStation 4 and on the Xbox One. Well, Sony says, nope, you are not authorized to do that. And that's been the case with PC though, right? Isn't it cross-play with PC, or am I wrong about that? Yes. So it is cross-play with PC, and with iOS, and other non-console platforms. Oh, Sony? So allows Fortnite cross-play with iOS? I thought it was only PC. No, it's PC and iOS and on Android, now that it's available on Android. But the issue of console preventing of cross-play has been around for a long time, but it was only the PlayStation and the Xbox One, basically. So it was, you would choose your camp anyway, and it was a little bit annoying, but people had accepted it. And fewer people, both the Xbox and the PlayStation 4, right? Like people, what, sorry? People, few people had both consoles, really. Few people had both, but you know, you might still have friends that have the other console. So that might still come into play. But with the Switch, it's all of a sudden, it's three players, and two of them are playing together, and there's one that is isolated that doesn't allow you to play with your friends on the other two consoles. And on top of that, there was something that was really their downfall, which is when you link your account to the PlayStation, you link your Fortnite account, your PlayStation account, then you are prevented from linking it to another console. Now, with Xbox One, it was already the case. No one really cared, because as we said, you know, you choose your account. But with the Switch, at that point, the fact that some people own both, many people own both, comes into play. And when you try to link your Fortnite account to your Nintendo account on the Switch, and you've already linked it to your PlayStation account in the past, you get a horrendous error message, possibly crafted that way by Epic to elicit the kind of anger that we've seen, which says, sorry, you've linked your account to a previous console in the past, to a previous service in the past, you cannot link it to your Nintendo Switch. There is nothing we can do about this. Do not contact us. The only thing you can do is create a new account. And that means losing the progress you had on the other one, or not using it at least. So that created a PR nightmare for Sony that has been evolving in the past few weeks. And the initial response was also quite horrendous from Sony PR. Essentially, what they said was, well, we allow you to play, we allow PlayStation players to play with 80 million active users on the PlayStation network. And we have additional members of the community that can join from the PC and Mac and iOS and everything. That matter if it's not your friend, so many other people are doing it. And on top of that, exactly, so many, who cares who they are? And on top of that, they concluded with a sentence that was, sorry, I don't have the quote here, but essentially it was, and that's all we have to say on the matter, which is, as I've said in many shows, the PR equivalent to telling you to... Yeah, GTFO. Exactly. So, again, that didn't go wrong. To understand, it was the introduction of the Switch that sparked this. All of this was true before, but there were fewer people who got upset if they couldn't link their Xbox account because they'd already logged into Fortnite on the PS4. It was when the Switch added Fortnite cross-play compatibility that this blew up because, like you say, more people are likely to own a PS4 and a Switch than own a PS4 and an Xbox One. And on top of that, because the Switch is mobile and I can take it with me, more people are likely to want to play Fortnite on both. Even if you own an Xbox and a PS4, if you can only log in on one, it's like, well, I guess I'll use that one to play Fortnite. But with the Switch, it's like, well, wait, now I can't play Fortnite when I'm out and about on my account because I logged on to the PS4. I think that's important in understanding why this suddenly is causing so much consternation of people. Yeah, I think it's that it's a number of factors. Fortnite being a super popular game with, quote, unquote, normal people. You know, you have artists and athletes who do the Fortnite dances on the field and things like that. So it's kind of the one that would bring this about. It had been brewing for a few years already. You know, you had this that had happened for different games. But this one was really the confluence of a number of things that made it so visible. And even now, you know, other companies are leaning into this. You have Microsoft and Nintendo that made a co-branded advertisement for Minecraft that was specifically saying, when you're using one of our products, you can play with each other. You can be friends and play together, you know, with the wink wink, unlike the other guy. You have Bethesda that is explaining that their upcoming game, Fallout 76, will not have cross-play enabled because, and here I quote, Sony is not as helpful as everyone would like. So they're directly naming them. So this is kind of an untenable situation for Sony. They are going to have to do something and they have released another statement that is a little bit more conciliatory. They're saying, we're hearing people. We'll see what we can do. But obviously there are a lot of moving parts. But this is probably, there's one other thing we should note. Sony has based their entire communication for the PlayStation 4 on the idea that they are doing this for the players. This is literally their tagline, which you've heard, I'm sure, in their advertisement for the players. This is for the players. And this resulted from the disastrous announcement of the Xbox One back in 2013, which they took advantage of by basically pointing out some of the flaws of Microsoft in that announcement. So when you base your communication on for the players, and then you do that kind of thing, it elicits a lot of anger. Well, and the other thing, Sean Layton, president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment told Eurogamer, we reported on this on DTNS previously, he said, you can imagine that the circumstances around that affect a lot more than just one game. I'm confident we'll get to a solution, which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community while at the same time supporting our business. Which has led a lot of people to say, oh, this is about in-game purchases. This is about the fact that if you buy a bunch of stuff on the Xbox and Microsoft gets the money, Sony doesn't want that to be used on the PlayStation 4. They want to get the money for those in-game purchases on the PlayStation 4. If you make them on the PC, whatever, they'll let that go, but they definitely don't want to be allowing Microsoft to make money off of people who are playing on their platform. I think that's part of it, but I think it goes beyond that. I think it has to do with we don't want to enable cross-platform play with Microsoft. I bet Microsoft doesn't really want cross-platform play with the PS4 either, but since they already allowed it, they're in the enviable position of being able to say, hey, we already allow it, so if Sony won't, it's good for us because it keeps our people in our yard and allows them to think we're the better guy. Yeah, I mean this is definitely something that has to do with who is in the dominant position and who is the challenger. If the roles were reversed, I'm pretty sure it would be the same story, but reversed. But still, at this point, Sony is coming at this with a little bit of arrogance and a little bit of an old mindset. In this world, you are now used to the device mattering a lot less. And in Netflix, YouTube, everything is device agnostic. And I understand why Sony is thinking like this, but they also have to adapt to the realities of the current world because this isn't going to bite them for this generation of consoles. They've already won, but they're losing goodwill in mindshare for the next generation of consoles where people might say, well, I don't want to take a risk. I want to be able to play with my friends, so I'll go with the other guys. But it must be worth it to them because there's a big bunch of dollar signs and in-game purchases they're looking at that they don't want to use. So, yeah. Well, they wouldn't be losing them. They have the immense majority of devices are their own. So, yeah. Yeah, I know. Somebody's crunching the numbers for them in there somewhere and it doesn't have to do with just Fortnite either, I'm sure. Of course. Well, there are a lot of opinions on this and other topics and if you have a strong opinion, you should submit it to our subreddit because we use our subreddit to figure out what you want to hear more about. You can submit stories and also vote on other stories at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com. We're also on Facebook, facebook.com, slash group, slash DailyTechNewsShow. You can also send us electronic mail using your electronic mail service provider. We've received some of these electronic mail messages, Sarah. Indeed, we have, Tom. Latest comes from Bill Burlingame from Huntsville, Alabama. We love you, Bill. He had a response to our automation conversation yesterday. Our robots taking jobs. Were they just changing jobs and how worried should we all be about it? Bill says, in 1979, I worked for a company who had a contract to automate the toll booths from the New Jersey Turnpike in order to reduce theft because some of the toll booth operators were holding back the tickets they collected and exchanging them with tickets collected at an exit nearby to make it seem like vehicles exited before they actually did. Okay, so there was some fraud going on. Bill says, I wrote the firmware for a Z80 system which would issue a ticket with a magnetic stripe to a person that was actually entering the Turnpike. Then we would read the ticket when they exited and display the price. So the toll booth operators weren't replaced by the computer. They were still collecting the fare. It was just more efficient. As in 1970, Motorola had a contract with Holiday Inn to automate their business. We did that with a DEC PDP-11 microcomputer. One goal was for the front desk to know when a room was being cleaned, when it was being inspected by housekeeping. Very important, especially during busy times where turnovers, you know, it's a... Well, it's not a matter of life and death, but it's important. Another problem was that some guests would eat breakfast at the hotel's restaurant and then charge it to the room and then check out before the charges at the restaurant were made to the guest's account. So the system, as you can imagine, paid for itself quickly. Yes, PDP-11 mini computer, by the way. What did I say? You accidentally said microcomputer, so... Oh, sorry. Yes. Wait a minute. It's not a micro, it's a mini. I don't know what a PDP-11 is, but I assume in 1970 it was probably pretty cool. A PDP-11's a classic. All right, cool. Thank you, Bill Berlingame, for sending these along. I love his stories. He's got such a wealth of experience. It's great. Really appreciate it. And really good examples of... And again, this is decades ago, but examples of saying, hey, the system that we have isn't efficient. We're not replacing people. We need to make the system more efficient. Yeah. I think that applies to today. You know, decades, sure. But in the end, those turnpike things I'm guessing the attendant was taken away at some point. They have been recently. I know that we had attendants here on the Tollway down in Orange County just in the past three years go away. Tollway. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. They're still on the Bay Bridge, not on the Golden Gate Bridge anymore. We're talking about San Francisco for anybody in the Bay Area, but the enemy. Yeah. We continue to evolve with the help of AI. You know who's also evolving? That's Patrick Beja. Am I, though? Well, you're multiplying and making your breakthrough bigger and stronger. I don't know. I'm dead. 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Yes, so no show tomorrow because it's Independence Day in the United States. So we celebrate the illegal separation of the colonies from the king's rule. That sounds like something we celebrate. It's only slightly less awkward when people are like, Happy Memorial Day! And I'm like, yeah, happy. Yeah, real Tom. Right. Yeah, so. Does everyone else see a spreadsheet for Tom's face? I do. Yeah. I didn't know why that was happening. I didn't want to. I was screen sharing the PDP11. Oh, look at that thing. And then I forgot that because I was screen sharing the whole browser when I switched away, it didn't show that anymore. So and then I forgot to turn off the screen. Yeah, leave it to me to be like microcomputer and you're like, hmm. Where's a mini computer? Even though it's like the largest thing ever. I just knew he was going to be like, that's actually a mini computer. No, it didn't. I spoke out of turn. It looked really cool, actually. It wasn't a big deal. Lady and gentlemen, I will go. Go to slumber, Patrick Beja. See you next week. I love you all. Enjoy your celebrating of the illegal separation of the colony from the king's rule. It was no longer legal once we were done. Oh, sure. If you just don't decide not to follow the laws anymore than the laws don't apply, I guess. Yeah. If you don't want to follow laws, there are no laws. Yeah, everything. What do you want? I think to you, man. Of course I do. Anarchy Tom. You create your own reality. That's never happened before. Well, there will be consequences, but go ahead. Really? Oh, Ethan Kane pointed out something, which I just noticed recently, too. People saying happy fourth. I had several two people today say happy fourth to me instead of and it's not even the fourth of July. And not saying happy fourth of July, but happy fourth. Amos points out no one says merry 25th on Christmas. That's true. That's true. Well, yeah, but fourth of July is part of the name. Say. I get that. But yeah. Happy, happy car deals. Maybe we should, we should try to push that whole. Merry 25th. And people will be like, what? Christmas? They used to say happy Christmas. Christmas. I always liked happy Christmas. Even though that sounds weird to me. It's like, I enjoy that. Well, it's a very British thing. It is. Like in Britain, they say happy Christmas. No, I think that's what you're referring to. Yeah, but I, but that's the sort of thing where I'm like, I like that. That actually, I almost like better in a way. It's less Dickinsonian. So this is. Sounds happy. War is over if you want it. If you want it, yeah. If you want it, it's there. Yeah. Just, you just got to want it people. Then it's over. Pick your heels. That's all. Why is that so hard? I don't know. And the wars. We've been working on this for a while. Wait a second. No more, no more wars. More pies. You know, Sunday was Canada Day. That's a great Canada Day. Why can't we have Usa Day? Why would we pronounce it Usa? It's an initialized. That's how you, no, it's not. I made it an acronym. Oh. Usa. Usa Day. Usa Day. Well, because Canada is in America. Here's my question. In America. Okay. But no is in America. So saying America is a little bit like, maybe. Fourth of July, arguably, is already Usa Day. But let's say that we could choose. What would that day be? Oh, no. I'm thinking it would be July 4th. Yeah. We just changed. We just instead of independent. I thought we were getting a new day. That's true. We could use another one. Where is the holiday route? I don't know. I mean, I would suggest my birthday. Okay. And here's why. It's not just because I'm self-obsessed, which is not untrue, but it's also October 12th, which is Columbus Day, which has become very controversial. Yes. For obvious reasons. Maybe it should just be Usa Day, where we all celebrate the fact that we're all still here. We all celebrate the fact that we're all Usans here. That's right. Usa. We're all Usans. One and the same. Yeah. I am Columbus Day. I would prefer a week. Well, we don't have any. Why don't we just do a week? Chris, Roger's like, you know what? No. I want a week. Yeah. I want Usa Day. Let me put it in the dining room. These days. Let's do a week. Is it going to be like mandatory schools out, bank holiday stuff? Because if so, I'm in. Yeah. Just do it like the week. You know, do it during the summer. You know, summer or right, you know, right after summer or something. What are we calling this show, by the way? Um, wait. So we have, we've got, did I send that photo? Sony's Fortnite firewall or fallout from Sony's lockout. I like that because it gets kind of makes the fallout 76 illusion. That's good. All right. Sony's lockout. So yeah. Okay. So the the idea would be replace Columbus Day with Usa Day, or I would like to suggest March doesn't have a holiday. Like an actual solid holiday. We have St. Patrick's Day, but they don't give us St. Patrick's Day off because they're against it. That's also, you know, proud Irish person here. That's not a real, that's. Well, they should give it to us off. It's, but it's an Irish holiday that Irish people are like, why are you guys doing like? I think Columbus Day is, you know, same, but when I was a little kid, Columbus Day was like, you know, it was like, oh, I like, I was born on like kind of a cool day. You know, now it's like, I'm just saying, like, why can't everyone have share in St. Patrick's Day? And we all get it off because they don't like the Irish. That's why. Why don't we get Halloween off? Let's go. He's been persecuted. He takes time to plant all that candy. Valentine gets his day. Why doesn't St. Patrick get his day? Mm hmm. I had a friend of mine who is a father and Father's Day was recently, was like, you know what? Mothers always get flowers and cards and all we get is a happy Father's Day, Dad. Hang up the phone. And I was like, well, I mean, it probably depends on your kid, but. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, like no one's actually happy with the holiday. No one's got my dad like, alone or something on Father's Day. Oh gosh. I mean, yeah. What if you want to do some for Father's Day? I was like, do you want a bouquet of flowers? Like, is that what you want? He's like, well, no, that's not what I mean. But you know. I want you to get in trouble. Yeah, I mean, moms and dads aren't like totally the same. But okay, depends on the household. I want a new DeWalt or Makita Power Drill. For your next Father's Day? Yeah, sure. Why not? I like how you turned this to be about yourself. Tom, Tom. Okay, so here's a question for you, Roger, because you're going to have another little one soon. Are you subscribed to the idea of the push present? Wait, which is the push present? The push present is the present that the woman gets when the baby is, has been pushed. Because you're going to be so busy with the new baby that. That you don't actually want a present. Well, I'll tell you. A lot of females I know don't need to name any of them. Very much believe in the push present and in the form of jewelry. I'll get to it later. You know, it's like, I did this thing. I want that push present written for me. Yeah. Right. Yeah, like, I'm going to do this. Give it to the given father. And now I want diamond earrings. It's given by husbands? Is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, but better be. Luckily, my wife and I had agreed. To Roger's wife is what you're saying. No, it's totally uncool to give everybody a present. Everybody give her push presents like a baby. It's basically what I did for you. I want three. Would be entirely inappropriate for either one of us to give Roger. I just didn't. I didn't know how far and wide the push present. I was unaware of it, but like we were. We were actually talking about like a couple of weeks ago. I'm just like, this is the silliest thing ever. It's like the whole party that unveils the gender of the child. I don't like those either. I was like a little excessive. It's like, why is it such a big deal to be a secret now? Well, here's the thing is like, so that I think it's, I don't know. I mean, again, I don't have kids. I don't know what I would do if I was ever in a position where I could know beforehand or not. I just don't, you know, I don't really have an opinion about that. I don't care. But, but I have been to gender reveal parties and they keep getting more exciting. A labyrinth. Yeah, exactly. Where it's like, it's kind of like one upping the other gender reveal party. And I just think like, if it's the parents to be, then it is really exciting. No one else cares. Just hope you have a healthy baby. Like, let me know what their name is. Does it replace the baby shower? No. No, this is a separate obligation. It's more of just like, okay, we've got this, it's a gimmick. I could see it replacing the baby shower. Like, instead of baby shower, we'll have a gender reveal party. Well, sometimes it's, sometimes they're one and the same. Yeah, exactly. Then it makes sense to me, but adding it as a second thing, I'm totally with you. It doesn't feel like anyone else really cares. I think at some point, there's a lot of scrounging on finding special occasions in which to tax people, with AKA your friends into giving you something. Right. I also think back in the day, you know, you would hear complaints like, well, if we don't know if it's a boy or girl, because they decided to wait, like, no, you just have to like only buy yellow clothes. And I don't think that that's a thing so much anymore. People just don't care about pink and blue, the way that they did before, you know? You didn't know till they were born. Yeah. Well, that, well, yes. You're going to find that. If you do the standard prenatal stuff, you're going to find out. When my brother was born, you didn't know what he was. And there was no, there was no choosing that. You just didn't know the sex of the baby. Yeah. Right. But like, you know, with the blood test and the ultrasound, you're going to know. I don't, I don't think my, I mean, I was born in the 70s. And mom, because I know you're listening, please correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't think that they had options. They just didn't know. My parents, you know, I was coming out as a boy. Well, okay. So they probably did have options. But you could tell by the blood test. Like at a certain stage, you do a blood test and you figure out. Yeah. I mean, Not for my brother, at least not in... They, they, they had, they had boy names picked out for me. Yeah. I, you know, like, wait, wait, there were two options. They had explored both. So is that a thing that's gone now? Because you know the sex of the baby so early, you don't bother coming up with the opposite gender name? Well, I think unless you decide to wait. Well, yeah, no. But, but yeah, why would you? If you know you're not having a, you know... Well, if you know, if you know early on, some people, like we just had a list of names. Well, because, you know, when, when you don't know... Okay. You, you, you went ahead and picked the list early enough that you, you picked a backup. Yeah. Until you go in and they do all the, you know, ultrasounds and whatever. My mom texts didn't know beforehand. Mom, I know you didn't know beforehand. I just want to know if you had the option to know beforehand. Yeah. And maybe you chose not to. You didn't want to know, or is it just wasn't? Right. Actually, a friend of mine, she has three kids, her youngest child. She's got, she had a boy and then she had a girl. And then there was a third baby. And the third baby was, they were told it was boy. When she gave birth, it was a girl. That happens pretty rare, but it happens. Yeah. And it was probably one of those things where it was like on an ultrasound and, you know, everyone was just like, okay, that's what it is. And she said, you know, of course, this is like eight years ago now. So everyone's very, very happy with the little girl who's, who's quite lovely. But she was like, it was just a really confusing thing because we were just, it was, it was like somebody threw you a curveball, you know? And in that moment, you know, in that, you know, that whole thing, it's like, you're so emotional and kind of weirded out anyway. We kind of had that. Like originally we were thought we're going to have a boy, but it just, what the nurse told us over the phone was different than what the printed report said when it came to us on the mission. So that was a human error. Somebody's read you the wrong thing. You know, it would help automation. But how long was that between hearing over the phone and getting a month? Oh, that's quite a bit of time. My mom says only people who had amniocentesis knew. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's back in the day anyway. Thank you, mom. That's a relatively high risk thing, but that's to ensure the viability if you're all the other, like you get back a bunch of tests and you're not sure the doctor will do it in order to ensure that, you know, everything else is good. And it's not something you would elect to do if you didn't need to. I don't think that. Right. Yeah. This, yeah. As I understand it, it was, you just, you got what you got. And I don't know. I don't, you know, it's funny. It's, well, I mean, Roger, you know both times. So it's like, it seems like on one hand, so nice to just have time to prepare and kind of know. And, you know, you just, yeah, it's not just about picking the name, but just all sorts of things that go into, okay, what's the gender of my child? Alden, you know, how is this going to, you know, change my life? And, and Richard, of course. There's an argument for just being gender neutral anyway. Yeah, exactly. And then I also, I really like the idea of it being like this, like, well, I mean, it's a big surprise, you know, we'll find out in that moment. I don't know. I guess people still do that, but it seems like less and less fewer and fewer people do that. You know, it's, it's weird in a way that childhood has become so, that whole process has become more and more regimented. Like there's all these things you're supposed to do. And so your calendar is filled with milestones and dates you're supposed to be doing things. After a while, it kind of gets exhausting. It's like, eh, gotta get the crib ready, get the room. Like, can we even paint the room? It's like whatever. I mean, don't have a spare room, so it doesn't matter. You get your sister's room. Good times, good times. At some point in the future, children will be born in synthetic wombs that I like to call iron wombs. I like to think I have an iron womb. Just all boarded up. Add locked. So you look at your app and you just get iron or two different materials. The wood or iron? You got to pick a material. You can't, is there no such thing as an iron board? We're going to discuss this more. Listen, ironing board. Thanks. See you. See you, Tom. See you after.