 All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you panelists or APPC members for joining on. I would now like to welcome everyone to the February 22nd meeting of the Art and Public Places Committee pursuant to government code section 54953 E and the recommendation of the Health Officer of the County of Sonoma Art and Public Places Committee members will be participating in this special meeting via zoom webinar. Recording Secretary, will you please review how the public may comment and participate in today's meeting. Yes, he appreciates the public's participation for those members of the public who have submitted written comments those comments have been attached to the agenda reviewed by the committee and are accessible to the public. Members of the public are allowed one comment for item which includes written comments, a single email constitutes a comment on an item so additional emails cannot be added members of the public wishing to speak during item 4.1 or item. Preview general public comment will be able to do so by utilizing the raised hand feature, or if by calling in pressing nine on their phone, they will then be given the ability to address the committee. Thank you. Yeah. Great. Thank you, Eileen. At this time, I'd like to take roll call. Wonderful. Chair paper. Present. Vice chair Jones Carter. Present. Member Baumgartner. Present. Wonderful. Member Nathanson. Present. Member Sayer. Here. Member Estiria. Present. Member Fuentes. Present. Let the record reflect that all members are present. Thank you. Item number three public comments. This is the time when any person may address matters not listed on this agenda, but are which, but which are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. The public may comment on agenda items when the item is called. Each speaker is allowed three minutes. Eileen, do we have any general public comments at this time? We have no general public comments at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Chair before we move on, I wanted to just take this opportunity to recognize our new member Bob Sayers. This is his first meeting. He was appointed by council member Alvarez. Welcome. Member Sayers. And I know you know one out introducing you, but I just wanted to give you the opportunity to say hello and to say a few words about yourself. I'm a collector of art and stuff forever. So I'm, you know, thrilled to be a part of it and be able to make some sort of contribution, whatever they might be. Thank you. Sorry, Cherokee for please proceed. Thanks and nice to meet you, Mr. Bob Sayers. Great to have you on our committee. Thank you. At this point, we'll move on to number four scheduled items. First up, we have 4.1. Unum sculpture recommended words and languages. Staff will present the recommended words and languages for the court for the sculpture Unum by blessing Hancock, Hancock approved for installation and old courthouse square. The presentation will include the project background and collaborative process used to collect the submissions from the community, as well as languages identified through a data driven approach. This time I'll hand it over to Tara Thompson for presentation. Thank you, Kristen, and all members of the committee and welcome to all members of the community who are on this call. Thank you for participating. I'm here today to present the second time we are presented with this item. But I'll go through the full presentation, as I did at the January meeting and additionally give some background about the press procedural situation we have found ourselves in and the revisions that we have made to the committee. We are here today to talk about the recommended words and languages for the unum sculpture by blessing Hancock. Next slide please. So a little bit of project development and background. This project really was initiated back in August 2019 with the formation of a community advisory committee. The committee developed the project plan which was approved by the Art and Public Places Committee and outlines the description goals, site considerations, selection process and criteria, budget stakeholders and timeline for the project. Later on in November 2019 through 2020 community engagement really ramped up and the selection panel for the project was convened. An initial community survey seeking input on the development of the project resulted in a little over 250 responses. And the information from that survey was shared with the slate of finalist artists. A selection panel was formed to review submissions and recommend a final artist to the Art and Public Places Committee. The recommendation considered 700 plus responses from a second community survey requesting input. In December 2020, the Art and Public Places Committee approved blessing Hancock's unum as recommended by the selection panel, using the criteria laid out by the advisory committee. Next slide please. This is a piece the artist renderings of unum by blessing Hancock showing it during daylight, as well as in nighttime with the LEDs illuminating from the inside of the sculpture. Also shows its approximate placement in Courthouse Square along the north side near 4th Street. Next slide please. This is the description that blessing provided and proposal about unum. It is a signature artwork that places emphasis on innovation, diversity and engagement as leading values of Santa Rosa. The community engagement focus was of utmost importance for this project during the selection process and the text on the sculpture was proposed to be collected and did did happen through a community engagement process that identified the selected words. Hoping to represent inherent values to Santa Rosas. The dimensions are approximately 12 feet high by 15 feet across and the materials are water jet cut stainless steel with LED lights. Next slide please. This slide talks about the engagement process used to collect the words and identify languages. The community advisory group was made up of variety of community organizations. This started in the summer of 2021 and lasted through the fall. A community outreach plan was developed by the artist team and community advisory group. The focus was to design the community outreach portion of the project focused on the words and languages for the sculpture. The group helped design how we approach the community with this opportunity how best to facilitate a process to invite people to participate. And once responses were gathered to review and recommend these results to the art public places committee. This group considered the languages and the words. Sorry, excuse me, this group considered the languages the words would be translated into and landed on the most common languages currently spoken at home in Santa Rosa. The community advisory group also made the following recommendations to include a land acknowledgement on site to accompany the artwork and to include homo and new walk languages to acknowledge the land on which the artwork will stand. Next slide please. These are the comments are shown here. These are the questions that were put to the community to solicit the words that were then used for the list that is being recommended today. This is from the original project goals of providing the community with an artistic symbol that reflects the Santa Rosa values of innovation and cultural inclusivity, and that is forward thinking, and expresses the innovation and diversity and engagement of the community. These, these were the prompts that were were selected by the group. What are your hopes for the future of Santa Rosa. What about your community neighborhood inspires you. What makes Santa Rosa unique. What values are important to you and your community. What makes Santa Rosa special place. What will Santa Rosa look like in the future. What are you grateful for, and what is your favorite thing to do in your neighborhood. These were used for the general population outreach and some were specific for youth on a flyer that we distributed to summer camps. Approximately 400 total responses were collected. And the artist team did targeted outreach to community stakeholder groups, as well as, like I mentioned the youth outreach to summer camps, and we have the online survey as well. Next slide please. This was the original community advisory committee recommendation that was made to the art and public places committee on at the January 10 special meeting on the left or shown the top 18 words that appeared in the results that we got from the engagement with the community and on the right are the top 15 languages spoken in San Rosa as identified in the city of San Rosa's language assistance plan, as well as the two additions recommended by the community advisory group, me walk and promo. Next slide please. That brings us to Janet the January 10 special meeting. This meeting was called to review the words and languages resulting from the engagement process and recommended by the community advisory group. Public comment was received prior during and after the meeting on the topic of the selected languages. Request were received to add additional languages including Hebrew, Japanese, Russian and Greek. Next slide please. By a three to one split vote, where four members were present and two are absent. At the time we had a six member committee, the APPC approved the recommended list of 18 words and languages. It was requested by the absent members of that at that meeting to understand how to review or appeal the decision made by members who are present at the vote staff consulted with the city clerk and the city attorney. And upon review of the parliamentary procedures it was discovered that the process for action on the words and languages was incorrect, causing the vote to be invalid. The additional motion for this item was invalid. There is now an opportunity to provide modified recommendation. In order for a motion to pass the majority of the full committee, not just those present at the meeting, or of those seated. Six members were seated at the time, even though the committee is seven. So for the APPC that means that for affirmative votes of a seven member committee are required to pass a motion. Next slide please. So this is the revised recommendation. The goal is to respect the process established by the Community Advisory Committee, Selection Panel and Art and Public Places Committee while seeking a means for greater inclusivity. It is recommended to expand the list from the original 15 languages that were identified to the top 30 languages spoken in Santa Rosa based on US Census Bureau data and identified in the city's 2018 Language Assistance Plan. The recommendation includes the original selection of words as previously presented. Next slide please. Here are those words again. And again no change from the original recommendation. These were the top responses to those prompts in the survey and the other engagement that we did through the flyers at camps and to other groups. Next slide please. These are the recommended languages that have been expanded from the original recommendation. The list of languages seen here is an expanded list of the most common languages spoken in Santa Rosa as included in the city's Language Assistance Plan and from the US Census Bureau. In green are the original 15 languages identified by the Language Assistance Plan and recommended on January 10. In blue are the indigenous languages recommended by the advisory group. In yellow are the next most common languages spoken at home based on the US Census Bureau data. As previously mentioned, the community advisory group recommended including the Pomo and New York languages to acknowledge and respect the land on which the sculpture will sit. These recommended languages were identified through a data driven process to be as equitable as possible and represent Santa Rosa's residents. Based on input from the community, the sculptors intended to be forward looking aspirational and represent the future of our community. Hence the recommendation to use the most common languages spoken in Santa Rosa as identified through this data. In addition, there was an emphasis on words and languages, either culture nor religion were considered in the conversation about this representation except for the recognition and acknowledgement of the indigenous land. The artist has shared that approximately 1000 words can fit onto the sculpture. The recommendation we are presenting here today is to use the words translated into each language listed for a total of about 576 words and then to repeat them as many times as will fit on the sculpture. Next slide please. So that brings us to the recommended action for today to approve the recommended words and languages to be included in Unum's design for the Imagine Art in Old Courtauld Square Public Art Project. And again for affirmative votes are needed to pass. Next slide please. Oh, there was one more slide. That's okay. We can get to it later. So with. Oh, okay. Next slide is just next steps. If approved today the artist will use these words in all the languages to finalize the artwork design and the engineering needed and then submit that to the city. The city will work with translation service services to get all words translated in fact we have most of them completed already. After final design and engineering are approved the artwork will be fabricated. And right now the timeline is still on track to be installed this summer. So that is the conclusion of my presentation I am happy to answer any questions from the committee members. Thank you. Thank you Tara, a little bit of housekeeping for our committee as we go forward. Next we'll have committee questions to Tara and city staff, following that we will have public comments, then there will be a committee discussion. And we'll go from there so just wanting to lay out our next steps for this meeting. Does anyone have any questions for Tara or city staff, providing this project. Member Nathanson. Yes, thank you. Hi everybody. I'm Jeff Nathan sin member of this committee and also a director of the museum of Sonoma County. And I am aware of questions and comments that came from the community, and I was just wondering, were there any questions or comments that would be able to share with us that may have come from the community advisory committee or any, anybody else who was directly involved with the process to reach out to the community and involved with the selection of the sculpture and the words and languages for this project. Thanks, Jeff. I'm just to be clear on what your question is you. In addition to the public comments that have been received and shared with you already you're asking if I've received any additional questions from the community advisory group. I'm making an assumption here that somebody who might have been on the selection committee or the community advisory committee may not have submitted their comments in the same manner that those who are in the general public. And so I was just wondering if there was any additional comments or questions that came through members of either of those two groups. No, I mean any, and if they had, I would have shared with them that if they wanted their message or their questions or comments heard by the committee or included in the public record, what the method would be to do so so. There's nothing else I have, I have received separately. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Member bomb gardener Tara and staff. I wondered. What's the comment that came in about the for site impaired people and I don't remember the name of the acronym that goes with the kind of language like Braille, things like that. Was that ever considered before, or is that a new thought. So, and we, it was considered in our conversation with the community advisory group. Well, I should say, yes, it was it was considered the discussion at the time was that Braille. We would be interested in including it and are planning to include it on the plaque for the piece. And in discussions with the artist about including it as one of the scripts or parts of the written language on the sculpture would be problematic and not very practical for the person wanting to experience that it would be hard to find amongst the complete piece. And the fabricator was not sure that they could adequately create the experience that would be needed for visually impaired person as for the other request or comment that came through about American sign language for the heart of hearing community or deaf community. So as far as that was concerned, our conversation led us to the fact that currently we were not aware of a written version of written form of American sign language that could be used on the piece. So the piece does not need the piece can be experienced without hearing. So we were hoping that there was a way that we could represent that part of the community in the piece itself and and have it be experienced by by everyone with different abilities, all alike. So, so that was the conversation that was had about those two comments that you may have seen in the emails that came in. Thank you. Tara, could you break down for our committee, a little bit about how the Community Advisory Committee recommendation came to our came to us back in January. Was there a meeting that the words and languages were discussed at or was this piled together through email, what was the method that the recommendation was put together about that. Thanks. The group was put together in summer last summer 2021. And met a few times, I'm going to say three, three meetings held on zoom, but a lot of communication happened through email with sending information graphs of things back and forth to get to get input on. I know Jeff was able to serve for one of those meetings. I'm not sure if he wants to add anything about his experience with that those conversations but by the final meeting there was a consensus that the that the recommendation with the words and languages was ready to be sent on to the committee, and there wasn't any additional additions made by that group at that time and and the recommendation was finalized so. But it was a ongoing process throughout that summer and fall that led us that that led us there and the group's purpose was really multi purpose really to to talk about how to engage the community to get input on the languages, excuse me on the words, and then helped with soliciting soliciting that participation getting the word out to their to their communities, and then to finalize the recommendation to make to APPC. Yeah, and I can just add to that that we primarily focused on communication out to the community. But unfortunately, in the final phase, I was not able to participate in in a meeting that reviewed the recommendations and sent them to staff. But I think that the process and the intent was to come to reach out to the entire community to the best of our ability. The responses seem to be at a certain point. Seemingly representative, although I think we realize now that there were probably members of the community who learned about the project late in the process or too late. I'm glad we're meeting today to revisit this and you know I think there was always best intentions to be as inclusive as possible. Thanks for a little bit more info about how the Community Advisory Committee convened and processed this information. I don't remember how the City of Santa Rosa language assistance plan list of languages was presented to that committee was that the email or presentation. I frankly don't recall at all. I mean, I just, I don't remember seeing the list. I don't remember being in a meeting where it was discussed. I'm sorry, I just, I think I'm not even sure why I wasn't able to participate that I don't remember that at all. I can say that the conversation on the group was, you know, why not use the most common spoken languages in Santa Rosa to represent the community the diversity of the community. And so the direction to staff from that group was, is there a way we can find that information out. And so then David Ward was our project manager at the time and did research on what the city had already done to identify the most common languages spoken in Santa Rosa, and he used the language assistance plan, as well as found the backup data at the US Census Bureau for for the purpose of presenting that back to the group. I just add that I think we made a reasonable assumption that the, the languages would be a fair representation of all the various cultures and backgrounds and people who live and work in Santa Rosa and the results were not as inclusive as I think we intended them to be. And so it was the process as as much as it had integrity also didn't produce, I think what I certainly thought in the early meetings when we met as a community advisory group. I really expected it was going to be a very inclusive representation. And so I think when I finally saw the list. And unfortunately I couldn't be at the last meeting of this committee but I realized that it was a smaller list than probably it should have been and so I'll just say that I really appreciate the effort on the part of staff Tara and her staff to do additional research and look into it. The process perhaps stopped a little bit short of being complete before it came to the last meeting but I'm glad that we're here to revisit it and you know I would just truly appreciate the effort of staff because I think this was a really difficult thing to do, you know it's like on the surface it was like oh yeah let's look out and see who lives in Santa Rosa and what languages are spoken and oh yeah there's there's that data that supports that, but it didn't exactly produce the results that perhaps we hope it would, and also I want to applaud the process and the city and the staff for having a platform which the community could comment. And so I think this is an important dialogue. And I think we'll get through this process, a little bit stronger for our efforts, I hope. I just want to interject that we be careful because again Member Nathanson you were not able to be at all the meetings so I just want to be careful in with this committee and overstating your take from the meetings you were able to attend compared to what happened at the last meeting so I'm understanding your comments to be those of your perception and not speaking on behalf, formally on behalf of the committee. Based on the last thing or if you'd like to clarify if you're able to connect with other members of the committee in terms of what happened at the meetings you missed. Oh, sure I'm happy to clarify. This is my own perception. I certainly reviewed the, the, you know the comments and followed the process to the vote on the last meeting, but I was not in attendance and so this is just my, you know, my own personal perspective on the process. So, I'm happy to make that clear. Well, thank you for providing more explanation on the process of how this committee was informed by the community advisory committee and the work that went in for the community outreach process as well. At this point, I'd like to move over to public comment. Eileen, can you queue up. If we have any public comment at this time. Me too. Let me go ahead and just share the screen. The first member of the public with your hands raised is Leslie Grace. Leslie, if you could please confirm your ability to see the timer and introduce yourself if you so choose. Yes, I can see the timer. I'm Leslie Grace. I am a member of the community as well as I was a member of the community advisory committee initially the selection committee and the community engagement committee. I do have to put the parentheses though that I too, due to a health issue was not able to attend the last meetings of the community engagement committees. Thank you to chair keeper and members of the art and public places committee for meeting today to continue this important discussion of languages to be included on. And thank you to staff for your thorough work and bringing this opportunity to include further languages on this important art in courthouse square. I take responsibility for not being at those meetings due to my health issue, but I want to make clear that on both the community advisory, excuse me on the on the selection committee, and the community engagement committee that it was a stated purpose to have as much diversity and inclusivity in this project in the final results. So I'm very pleased that this meeting is happening. I want to thank you for having the acknowledgement that there is now a need to have 30 languages for a more robust and inclusive selection and honoring all of our community. All of the diversity, even those that we may not be aware of that we may not see or we may not hear. We are simply to say thank you. And I hope that the consideration of the recommendation of by the staff is taken by all of our members, and that we come to a conclusion that ideally is unanimous and brings this project to completion with all 30 languages. Thank you so much. Thank you. We do not currently have any additional hands raised at this time did you want to give it a minute. Kristen you're muted, perhaps we can just give a reminder to folks on how they can participate in public comment at this time. Absolutely. We do have members of the public who are wishing to participate. If you are online, you can utilize the raise hand feature and if you're calling in you can press star nine on your phone. We do have an additional member of public would like to speak to the committee. If you would please confirm your ability to see the screen. Yes, I can see the screen. Wonderful. Thank you please proceed. I'm really happy that you have come up with enough languages and wording that as Leslie grave said is all inclusive. And I also, you are certainly right in thanking staff and everyone for doing their job. I want to also acknowledge the press Democrat. Thank you for this discussion. I have been living in San Rosa for many many years have been an arts advocate and an artist of public art for many many years. And this is the first time I have seen so much information coming from the public. There were eight letters to the editor about this there was a long editorial by the press Democrat staff. And there were four long articles with pictures describing the process as it went along. And I was thrilled to see how many people were engaged through the press Democrat to come forward with language. Options and with historical backgrounds that led to the discussions that I'm hearing from you today. So, I think that art like this that has been controversial is a really good thing. And it's a really positive for me, at least to see the public get so involved in one sculpture. But I like it and I don't like it. It's, it's people with really imaginative ideas and interesting takes on the process and the sculpture itself. So, thank you, staff and all of you who are on the several different subcommittees to this committee. And I also want to thank the press Democrat for really opening up the opportunities to people that are outside of the government and like me who watch your meetings all the time, so that it, I hope that all the artwork that comes into Santa Rosa gets this kind of public acknowledgement and and interest. Thank you. Thank you so much. We have no additional hands raised at this time. Thank you, Eileen for coordinating public comment. At this time I'd like to close public comment and move to discussion within the APPC. Would any members like to present any comments based on the presentation or public comment that we've heard so far. Now is an appropriate time to address any public comments that were presented. I think we need a motion and then it opens up for comment. So we need a motion. Yeah, because it's questions first that emotion. Thank you for reminding me of our process. I would next like to move to a motion, but any committee member like to present a motion for us to discuss and bomb gardener. I would like to create the new motion that we approved the word list and the expanded list of 30 languages that has been presented for approval. Thank you and do I have a second for this recommended second. Great thank you now we can move to discussion. This time is there any question or any discussion items. Yes, Lisa. I think Leslie and Judy Kennedy for speaking up at the comments I really appreciate all of the work that they have done for the art community and what they wanted their, their passion and what they do and I definitely appreciate them being here and being a part of this. And that's what we do need we definitely need a lot more community. Community to be involved in this process. And also to, I just, you know, I want to thank everybody that can, who has, you know, currently participated with this project there was a lot of effort time and consideration into this project and, especially for Tara to who has put in a lot of time and effort into this project. Unfortunately, and I want to apologize I wasn't able to make the last meeting. It was one of the very few things I did miss and I but I did watch it right after and everybody's that video is there for everybody to watch. And, you know, I do support my committee members and I do, but, you know, I did have some concerns on the limited of languages and I felt there was from my knowledge of quite a few of them were at that time missing. So, I'm grateful to be able to have this the second opportunity and to be here. And also to people were just wondering, you know, I don't actually I don't think anybody else is wondering about blessing Hancock and the sculpture and stuff, but she was chosen. The reason why I chose her is she was one of my top choices is because of her past actions to reaching out to the community and her openness to have the community steer the end result and again, that was the reason why she was my top choice and that is a definitely I'm feeling so grateful for the community to be reaching out as they have. And I just want to say thank you to everyone. Thank you, Chair Kiefer and Lisa thank you for your comments and I also want to echo what Lisa just said I appreciate the, the comments not only from Judy and Leslie but everybody from the community who has written and commented and the conversations I had with a few people, I think that the community engagement is a very positive step towards the finalization of this process. And I also was on the selection committee and one of the things that I really loved about blessing Hancock's proposal was the, the intent to be as inclusive, and to really represent this. This ideal of togetherness and unity, which in this day and age is just so important and I feel really proud to be part of this community in moving forward on public art artwork of this, this type. I'm also aware of some of blessings other projects there's a new project going into Nashville and there's a wonderful project she did in Palo Alto. And her work is really about bringing people together, and I'm just really pleased to be part of this it's an honor to have been on the selection committee and also to be on this committee to do a final approval of the artwork. So I want to thank everybody for your thoughtfulness and your participation and also for willingness to listen and respond to public comment. I think it's all really an important part of the process. Thank you, Jeff. Hi and you had a comment. Hope you're on mute. Yeah, no I was unmuting. I just want to affirm that I noticed that in some of the editorials and things there were untrue statements about that people were putting out in the paper that we selected and we did this and we were trying to keep out and I really feel like we did we really had less we could last meeting we we did have a disagreement and I still would stand by the way I voted but what I want to say was, the way it was put to us it was, it was a bit confusing, because we wanted to respect the people that had done the work before us and not knowing that there were many people that maybe didn't make it to the end and all the things we know now. I just want to affirm that we are a team that hopefully is holding and we're not the vetting and we're not like the rewriting team but we are the trying to get the whole story team and so I feel like that happened in the situation I'm really glad it did and so I would also like to echo appreciation for our nimble staff and ability for our committee to work through some difficult topics and conversations. The realization that a lot of these discussions have been taken place over varying media platforms and that doesn't necessarily always connect the dots in terms of a face to face connection, and I do want to appreciate staffs time for working on this and I do want to also reflect on how excited I was when a blessing Hancock was picked as the artist for this piece, I have had the opportunity to see several of her pieces and again really noted their strong ability to, or just the commanding I guess is the right word to have a setting of draw that brings people together and I very much appreciate her artwork in that regard and I am, I am very excited for this piece to continue and have been very thankful that this process has had an opportunity to be nimble and reevaluate when there was a lack or a misstep in terms of communication so thank you for everyone's nimbleness. I know I just keep having thoughts. So bear with me but I just you touched on something Kristen that I think is really important for us all to acknowledge and that that is that we have gone through this entire process during a pandemic during COVID and blessing Hancock is an artist who typically would have come to the community and met with community members in person. And there would have been a very different kind of process about reaching out and engaging the community in the process and we couldn't really do what we hoped we would do in bringing artists to the community and getting people together. And I remember early in the process I was thinking oh it'd be great we'll have an event at the museum at the library at the Finley Center, whatever, you know, it couldn't happen that way. And considering the challenges of working through a process like this. I don't think we're going through a pandemic, like we're in. I once again want to just thank everybody and compliment everybody on working through this, because I believe it was more challenging than we even realize it was to get to a final result. Just want to acknowledge it's, it's COVID. Things are not normal. Just a quick question. I thought we were in the discussion framework about motion to move forward on the recommendations, and I certainly appreciate, but I don't want to take up any more time appreciating everything. I think that we could move forward with what is the action on right now. Thank you member sayers yes, this is the discussion portion of the motion that has been put on the table to approve the recommended languages, as they have been expanded to include 15 other languages. To approve the recommended words and languages included in Unum's design for the imagine art and old courthouse square public art project. At this time, are there any other discussion items seeing none I would like to move to a vote recording secretary, can you please facilitate a vote. I chair. Jones Carter. I Thank you. Member Baumgartner. I member Nathanson. I member sayers. I member at zero. I'm sorry as durian. I never point this. I Thank you. Let the record reflect that the motion has passed by unanimous vote. Chair people if I could just take a moment just to give my own gratitude to this committee, I have to say at the last meeting you guys struggle mightily and really, really tried to help staff come up with something that would be fair and equitable and that led to the vote. I had to say that we've had conversations with most of you and so many other people from the community and the earnestness with which that was brought to this item is something that I think is a big part of this. This committee, but as well as staff will bring forward so we learned many lessons over the past three selection. Selection that have gone to this board this committee right and I have to say, especially with the core on and the conversations that we've had on this. The our public places committee is really modeling inclusivity and belonging and we are entering into just a different process in government that is really just so difficult to change when it's been historically systemic for so long. And I know we pushed you I know sometimes it seemed like, you know, we're really questioning things but it's with this in mind it's entering that equity that is making us better and I know this was hard and I want to thank you on behalf of staff, and on behalf of the city for the hard work you guys put into this because it was not easy. It's not easy being in the public eye in this way. So thank you on behalf of the city and on behalf of this staff. Thank you, right. At this time there are no further scheduled items. And our next item is agenda. Sorry. Our next action is adjournment. So thank you everyone and please stay tuned for the next announcement of the art and public places committee meeting. Do we have to do items, public comments items not on the. We did. We did. Okay, great at the beginning. Thank you everyone. I very much appreciate the time and effort and compassion that you've shown throughout this whole process and thank you. Bye everyone thank you. Bye thank you. Thank you. Bye bye.