 Selamat pagi. Nama saya Muhammad Sabri Mohamad Rawi dan selamat datang ke bilik pembangunan yang diberi kepada anda oleh Keputusan Keputusan Iklif. Kami ada kita hari ini, Pn. Siza Purisma, Keputusan Keputusan Keputusan untuk Filipina. Dia juga Keputusan Keputusan untuk Filipina di Bank Keputusan Keputusan Asia dan sekarang juga Keputusan Keputusan dan Keputusan Keputusan Keputusan dan Keputusan Keputusan Keputusan untuk Filipina. Dia terpaksa dengan Keputusan Keputusan Arroyo pada tahun 2004 dan dihubungi dengan keadaan oleh Keputusan Keputusan Keputusan. Sejak itu, ekonomi Filipina telah melihat keguguran yang jelas dalam keadaan yang berjaya dan berjaya. Ia berkongsi kepada Keputusan Keputusan Iklif telah mengagumkan dia sebagai Keputusan Keputusan Iklif pada tahun 2012 dengan kurang daripada kisah euro dan tahun sebelum itu pada tahun 2011 dengan keguguran yang berjaya dalam keguguran yang berjaya. Terima kasih kerana bersama kami hari ini, Keputusan Keputusan Arroyo. Boleh kita mulakan? Ya, terima kasih, Keputusan Arroyo. Keputusan Keputusan Keputusan Arroyo telah melihat keguguran yang berjaya dalam keguguran yang berjaya terutama pada masa memperkenalkan keguguran yang berjaya oleh keguguran yang berjaya berkumpul dan keguguran. Tolong berkongsi dengan kami. Apa keguguran dan keguguran yang kamu ada apabila kamu akan memulangkan jalan ini beberapa tahun lalu? Well, as you know, this is my second term as finance minister. The first one was a short stint under Mrs. Arroyo. And I was fortunate enough to be drafted again by President Aquino and his agenda is right up the alley of governance. He believes that good governance will resolve to better Philippines or better economy. Yes. And he tasked me with the responsibility of implementing it in finance and later on as coordinator of the economic cluster. Yes. Usually when leaders start out to do something good, to do something better, to right a wrong, for example, they are always faced with some skepticism or even resistant from some of the closest friends especially or even. Did you face anything like that in your experience? Well, the good thing that I think is happening right now and since President Aquino took office is that the change and the directive is coming from the top all the way to the president. And he has the mandate and he was elected on a program of good governance and he's been very clear. He's walking his talk. He's been very clear on what he considers right and what he considers wrong. And my task is made simpler by that because I just have to translate that in my own area. Yes. For example, when it comes to projects or transactions, he wants it bidded out rather than negotiated. He wants transparency. He wants accountability. One of the big differences between the Aquino administration and the previous one is that he empowers me. He allows me to choose my own people but he holds me accountable for results. And I think this alignment is very important. He sets the direction, he sets the goal but at the same time he gives me the tools to be able to accomplish that goal. And he also gives me he holds me accountable for the result. And this is very similar to the private sector. The big difference between the private sector and the public sector at least in my experience is that in the private sector you search for excellence. They allow people to change the process so long as it is more efficient. Yes. Whereas in the public sector in the Philippines because of very well-defined rules by the Commission on Audit there is a search for perfection because there is very little room for deviating from what is the accepted procedure. In the process sometimes you create paralysis or opportunities for people to seek rent. The so-called rent. And that's why President Aquino cuba menghidupkan cara menghidupkan hal yang kita lakukannya dalam perkembangan. Tetapi perubahan mengambil masa lama. Betul. Kamu menghidupkan perubahan. Terutamanya dalam sistem Philippines apabila terma Presiden hanya 6 tahun dengan pilihan yang tidak terpaksa. Orang-orang yang tidak mahu berubah melihat kita sebagai perusahaan. Mereka hanya mempunyai kepadamannya dan setelah 6 tahun semuanya ia akan menghidupkan. Kemudian kita akan menghidupkan. Betul. Tapi Presiden Aquino telah mengatakan bahawa tidak, saya tidak akan mempunyai bahawa saya akan memastikan bahawa saya akan menghidupkan kamu. supaya kamu tidak akan mempunyai kemungkinan untuk berada di sana setelah 6 tahun. Kemudian kita perlu berhubung kepada orang untuk menghidupkan lebih baik kegabungan. Betul. Dan akhirnya perusahaan kita adalah memastikan bahawa orang dapat beritahu apabila perubahan antara kegabungan dan kegabungan yang tidak baik dalam termasuk hidup mereka sendiri. Kerana apabila mereka mempunyai bahawa lebih baik kegabungan bermaksud lebih baik secara personal. Kemudian selama 6 tahun selama administrasi selama Presiden mereka akan memilih orang yang betul dan mereka akan menghidupkan lebih baik kegabungan. Dan itu akan menjadi kegabungan kita untuk memastikan bahawa kegabungan ini menjadi lebih baik kegabungan mengambil adalah memastikan supaya ia dapat menjadi kegabungan. Kerana untuk mengambil kegabungan dari keadaan kita mulai semasa kegabungan keadaan kita ingin mengambil dan ia adalah untuk benar-benar mengaktuali potensi sebuah negara terbaik seperti kegabungan ia akan mengambil beberapa kegabungan dari kegabungan. Kamu sekarang ada peluang untuk menjadi kegabungan yang berbeza dan berbeza kegabungan. Kamu pengalaman harus menjadi sedikit unik. Sebenarnya pengalaman ini harus mengubah sedikit. Kamu kamu akan mencari cara kamu melihat orang-orang untuk contoh kamu berkongsi dengan kami bagaimana kita berubah. Baiklah ada perbezaan yang sangat jelas antara dua kegabungan. Dalam Presiden Takino prinsipu-prinsipu-prinsipu-prinsipu-prinsipu dan kor percaya sangat kuat dan sangat menggabungan. Sebab itulah ada konsistensi dalam apa yang kita lakukan. Dalam Pn. Roryo banyak perkara yang kita lakukan adalah sebab sebab sebab sebab sebab sebab jadi kelaran dan kelaran betul, ada banyak kegabungan. Untuk Presiden Takino sebab darat lepas ibu-pengkuat begitu sebab kegabungan atau jalan tepuk kita mengaulikan lepas kepacara dan sebab ia dilakukan dan ini perkara yang paling dia menggabungan kek sebab kegabungan ia dlu. Sabila al dramatic sebab ...untuk mempunyai politik-punyai, dan dalam proses itu, mereka menjadi lebih kelihatan dan lebih kelihatan... ...dan lebih bergantung pada perhatian yang terbaik. Dalam keadaan President ini, yang lebih susah yang dia ambil... ...supaya lebih popular dia menjadi, kerana orang faham bahawa... ...mereka ada banyak masalah. In fact, mereka sangat gembira bahawa... ...mereka adalah pemerintah yang menerima masalah yang besar. Di sistem kita, ada 3 branch. Pemerintah yang mempunyai prosesnya, yang pemerintah, yang berkongres... ...dan juga Judit Sherry. Prosesnya tentu-tentu mengawal prosesnya. Pemerintah yang mengawal prosesnya kerana pemerintah yang besar dan kuat. Tapi Judit Sherry adalah paling susah untuk mengawal prosesnya... ...sebab mereka bergantung. Mereka adalah berhubung oleh prosesnya... ...tapi mereka mempunyai termasuknya. Oleh itu, untuk mengawal prosesnya... ...untuk Judit Sherry, bahawa ia tidak lebih berusia... ...sehingga perkara-perkara kita mahu berubah,... ...dia mengambil prosesnya. Ini adalah kali pertama... ...yang telah dilakukan pada Filipina. Sebenarnya, dia berkongsi tidak untuk melakukannya... ...tapi dia berkata bahawa jika saya mengubah negara ini... ...saya perlu berada di semua branch pemerintah... ...sehingga nanti orang menjadi percaya... ...dan mereka sendiri akan mengubah perkara-perkaraan. Sebab itulah dia mengubah pemerintah... ...pada Filipina dan melakukannya... ...dan mengubah pemerintah... ...pada pemerintah yang sangat muda, hanya 52. Siapa akan berada di sana selama 18 tahun? Dia akan bekerja dengan prosesnya selama 2 atau 3 tahun... ...sebab prosesnya tidak memperkenalkan... ...pada keadaan keadaan keadaan keadaan keadaan keadaan keadaan... ...saya akan mengambil... ...pada masa yang panjang... ...masa mengubah dekati Malaysia... ...saya mengubah perkara-perkaraan... ...dalam masa yang panjang. Negara-teman pada Singapura, sama sekali. Pembahagian yang panjang... ...dalam masa yang panjang. Bapak kamu berkata antes itu... ...baiklah orang yg itu. Dan perkara yang kamu gunakan jika saya ingat dengan yang benar... ...di atas teknik dan atas atas hubungannya. Bagaimana menurut kamu bagaimana ini... ...dan bagaimana kita boleh menguruskan itu? Dalam pengen gila, kamu hanya... You're only as good as your people are. And your challenge is to make sure that the sum of the strengths of your people will multiply in a geometric manner. In a large organization, it's easy to be impersonal. But there are ways of keeping in touch as I say, high touch. And for me, the use of technology is quite important in keeping in touch with your people. That's why I call my style high tech, high touch. In the Philippines, SMS is very important or the cell phone is also very important. So we constantly exchange communication to make sure that they know what I want to be done. And where we are. I also like to make sure that they know where the long term goals are. And obviously the goals that I set are those that are set by the president. As you know in the Philippines, we are alter egos of the president and we serve at his pleasure. So if he wakes up one day and wants me out, I'm out. I don't have a term. So I am his alter ego and I serve at his pleasure. So I set goals that are set by the president and I make sure that we establish milestone so that we can make sure our progress. And I make sure that all our people, the key people, are aware of it, are on the same page. And we meet, we talk constantly. And I'm very informal with my people. I like to know them. And for me, the challenge of leaders and managers is really looking for the right people for the right role. Because I don't believe in the wrong people. It's the wrong manager finding the wrong role for the right person. So my task is to make sure that I find them the right challenges given their skills. And at the same time, I invest in them. I give them the opportunity to grow. And I give them feedback so that they know how they can improve themselves. And I encourage them to challenge me. Because I don't have monopoly of wisdom or knowledge. In fact, I depend on people. So I encourage people to become their best. So it's an ongoing process. And the difference between me and my boss, he is a very inspirational leader. I'm really inspired by his goals and his desires. And his sense of purpose, his sense of country. Basically, he's devote to this life to the country. The country is his life. A little bit about your early years, if I may. Growing up in the provinces and eventually moving to the city, you were once even referred to as a promdi by some of your colleagues. And even the people that you work with. Being different and learning to adapt. Do you feel this has contributed to your overall makeup as a leader? In the 60s, where I was, it's a city where Paquiao comes from. We didn't have television. Television was only in the major cities. So that environment allowed us to develop other skills. Read more, improve your interaction with others. People learn to appreciate the environment around you. And since it was a small community, it was easy to develop your sense of self and character. Obviously, after a while, we moved to the city. It was an adjustment, but it allowed me also to take my rural roots. And whatever values I learned from there and apply it to city life. And basically, the importance of family. The importance of trust. The importance of your word. Principles that are very highly emphasized in a small community. For a person who values family and things like that. You mentioned all the good stuff. It's interesting that you yourself took a while before you started your own family. Well, as you know, it takes two to tango. It took a while for me to find the right person. But as they say, everyone has his own time. And my time took longer. Plus the fact that I somehow got engrossed with work. And my co-employees in my previous life became my family. And I was challenged by it. I was inspired by it. And I grew and I developed as a result. I don't regret taking a while. I think I'm now a better husband, a better partner. Because I'm more mature. And with our age gap, I'm more tolerant. I have a lot more experiences to reflect on. And as I say, there's always a silver lining for everything. Throughout your career, you have started examples of rural models whose actions inspire your decisions in life. Can you share with us some of these people and what they do and how they have inspired you, please? Well, I was fortunate to work in an organization that took pride in its developing people. SGV was the premier accounting firm in the Philippines. In fact, it was an accounting firm that established practices including in Malaysia and in other parts of the... And it's one of the oldest, isn't it? It's one of the first that really have gone beyond the Philippines. And the core principle there is investment in people and mentoring people. So I was beneficiary of that. So I had partners who took interest in my development would give me feedback, would send me to training, would give me challenges and opportunities that allowed me to accelerate my development plus the fact that as I went through the ranks I ultimately had the opportunity to work with the founder, Mr. Washington Sissip, who's still going strong at the age of 92 now. And since he's had many, many experiences, I benefited immensely from his insights. It's like having many MBAs because he would give you perspectives not just of the current situation but how the situation happened was addressed many years ago in different countries. So you have the benefit of multiple perspectives. Mr. Sissip also took it upon himself to make sure that he gave all his people the challenges and the opportunity to improve themselves. In fact, when I was there he would even encourage me to read certain publications or encourage me to meet certain people or encourage me to join certain organizations. And it's that kind of mentoring that opened doors for me that allowed me to actually overachieve. You once referred to the auditing firm SGV, Sissip, Gores and Valayo as one of the only few places in the Philippines where you really moved up based on what you do, meritocracy that is. Can you elaborate for us if this is a philosophy that you would like to see as part of your legacy? Well, the best thing that can happen to our countries if it becomes a true meritocracy where you are promoted, you are recognized not because of your name or your connection but because of merit. In the case of SGV, Mr. Sissip, the founder, made sure that his children did not join the company because he said that if my children joined, it's either one, they will be frustrated because they'll always be compared negatively to him because their son or expectations would be too high. And if they get promoted, they'll say that it's only because of them being the children of the founder. On the other hand, and I think more important is, he said that he realized early on that this will discourage good people from staying in the organization knowing that they have a ceiling that they will never reach the top because the children are here. And I thought that's really a man of foresight to make that sacrifice not to allow his children to become part of the organization and that this guy really wants to create the right culture so that he can attract the right people and give the right people the right environment so that they grow and that they're rewarded based on how they do and not who they are. And countries that have been able to replicate that in a larger scale tend to have higher standards of living. And I think there's a high correlation between meritocracy of countries and their standard of living. As we draw near to the end of this interview, I'm just curious sir, what is it that gets you up in the morning full of energy and ready to seize the day every single day, seven days of the week? Can you share with us? What are the sources of your energy if you don't mind? Well, now I'm married so what inspires me is to give my family a better future an opportunity to maximize their potential actualize their dreams. And on a bigger scale I'm inspired to be part of the president's team that is really making a difference for the country that's reforming the country from being the laggard in a region to a better performer. And I'm excited by the fact that this is really a rare opportunity of alignment where you have a leader with the mandate with the right agenda who's walking his talk. And that I think is enough excitement to get me up in the morning allow me to sacrifice while in government because as you know our government pay pails in comparison to the private sector Knowing that this is a rare opportunity to be part of a change that will make the future of our country much better not only for my family but for all Filipinos. This is like your national service kind of? Well, national service can be mandatory this is not mandatory no one obligated me required me this is my choice this is out of love for country out of desire to really help this man that I think has been a blessing to the country he has a legacy that is I think quite heavy for him imagine when you look at our 500 peso bill both his father and mother's picture is there that I think is a heavy burden for anyone for him to walk in those very big footsteps and follow their footsteps I think it's our responsibility to help him make sure that not only does he follow those footsteps but he actually is able to translate his vision his political capital into reality for the country because if that's done then we would have made a big difference in alleviating poverty giving each Filipino the opportunity to improve their lives that's his ultimate goal without even having to leave the country where do you see the Philippines five years from now? I see the Philippines in a much better state still not where we want it to be but more confident Philippines Philippines that believes that government can be good for them Philippines that is ruled by law Philippines that has more level playing field Philippines that's more transparent Philippines that rewards merit rather than connection Philippines that inspires the youth to be the best that they can be if we're able to do that if the president is able to do that that will be his biggest legacy changing the mindset of Filipinas because when he took over Filipinas were resigned to having bad government but now they're starting to believe that government can be good and when they start to believe that government can be good then they'll hold government accountable and then you become that becomes a virtuous cycle of holding of accountability that will raise governance to even higher levels and when you do that then you allow the Philippines to unleash its true potential because this is a blessed country it is, it is a beautiful country not only is it beautiful it's blessed with minerals blessed with talented people it's blessed with the right location right in the heart of the most economic region in the next 50 to 100 years so there's a lot going for us except that we ourselves will have to make sure that all of these blessings can be translated to a better Philippines and my final question for you today sir is once you are done with the government service what do you have in store for Siza Purisima share with us please before I answer that I look at government service as a relay race it's not a marathon or a sprint my goal while I'm holding the baton is to run in the right direction as hard as I can and then pass it on to the next person seamlessly and when I pass it on seamlessly I hope to be able to step back and take a breather and admire my work and so that I can get the energy to move on to the next phase of life and become a good citizen of the country a productive citizen of the country in the private sector I hope to be able to continue to help the business community in many respects in espousing better governance in the private community in encouraging entrepreneurship in encouraging an environment that would be more conducive of business to do business in the country because creating the business environment is not just the role of government it's also the role of private sector as in any ecosystem there are at least two important parties so I believe I can still be a change agent continue to be a change agent even in the private sector Thank you for spending time with us Thank you for giving me this opportunity Thank you, sir Ladies and gentlemen I hope you have enjoyed our conversation with Mr. Siza Purisma the Secretary of Finance for the Philippines This is Mohammed Sabri Mamarawi again in the leaders room signing off Thank you for watching