 So you were asking about the last starting tackle, was that because you were pumping up Nicholas? No. I don't think. What's today's date? The fifth? It's the fifth. My wife gets back in town today. She's in Canada. She's been in Canada since June 14th. But no, that had nothing to do with that. What I try to do is help Nick, help Dylan, help Tony because I'm a tackle. And I've been playing this game for a long time. I've been in this offense for a long time. I've been with Raves and Keith for a long time. So there's a lot of things that I know that they want that I can help with. So it's all about getting on guys when you need to and then gassing them up when you can too. You said you almost touched the knee today. No, I didn't actually almost touch the knee today. It was just a bloodbath out there when you got the pads on. Usually the first four or five days of pads are the most difficult. And then usually your body kind of calces into it. Or you kind of get used to the feeling of feeling that way. And then a team comes in. So I just, you know, a couple of guys on the ground today. And I almost, there wasn't anything pressing at all. Who was the guy you were talking about to help some of the young linemen? Who were the guys that did that for you when you came in the league? Yeah, I'd like to say Michael Ruse. I tell this story that I tweeted at him or DMed him and said that, hey, man, I really want to learn the playbook. And I was hoping you and I could sit down together and really go over the playbook and figure it all out and maybe could help me with some things. And he never responded to that DM, even after I saw him the next day and everything. But I think Ruse was, I think by far and away, just from a maturity standpoint, he was where I'm at now when I came in. And so, but even then, he was way more mature than I am now. He was just seemed like a guy that had his stuff together, very intelligent, knew the game of football, knew where to be extremely consistent. So a guy can help another guy by just watching that person and watching what they do and how they operate on a day-to-day basis. And that's what I did with Ruse quite a bit. And I'm sure he did that with B-Hop. And we've had a good 29 years of tackles here. And it's an honor to play left tackle here. So it's good to watch those guys. Roger, we have a road grader playing next to you, a big guy. Now Brewer is a smaller guy. Does that change anything at all for you in terms of how things are blocked up and how things are done? Some things, yes. Some things will be different. Brewer's got a different skill set than Roger. So yeah, some things, yes. Some things, no. Haskins after a run the other day, just with him, trying to fight somebody off of him. What have you seen from him? How much have you taken an interest in him being a midfielder? To be 100% honest, I don't really notice a whole bunch of guys unless you see like a deep ball or a guy get a pick or something like that or a guy winning in a game or a one on one. That's really, when you're at this point, for me, it's extremely important for the cohesiveness and the gel of the offensive line to really start taking strides and from a finish standpoint, from a fundamental standpoint. So I don't edge too far outside my lane when it comes to Son, though. Michigan guy, he was, I think, the first Michigan guy in here since me. And you take pride in that. You see what he did against Ohio State. You rooted for him and watched him when he was playing college. And so you just kind of gas up the boy whenever he was around. He was rocking his little Michigan Block M shorts the other day, and I was pumping him up. So it's just cool. It's just fun. On the other hand, with petite Freire, opposite school obviously, what is he like? He seems like such a mature, knowledgeable. Yeah, like a Rayman vibe. Exactly. Is that how he is? He's super intellectual. Yeah, he does kind of give off that vibe for sure. He keeps to himself. He asks good questions. He knows the playbook pretty well for rookie. He's, from a maturity standpoint, he seems much more developed than I was at that point. But same goes for Dylan too. I think Dylan was just a Midwest type guy. Keeps to himself and intelligent and knew that. And so they seem very similar to me where they're both at their rookie year. How do they adapt to your kind of style of leadership? Because, look, you're a loud guy. That's who you are. Yeah, obnoxious, loud and obnoxious. You know, as you ask, you kind of, when you play football the way I do or how I do from a unique, it's unique because of being an offensive lineman and how I do, roll my mouth quite a bit and how I play. And so it can be different for some people. And you check in with dudes. And it's easy to find out what guys need if you ask them what they need. It's not like I'm over there guessing. Well, it seems like Nick needs this and Dylan needs that. And Ben needs this from me. I literally go and say, hey, do you guys like it when I do X, Y, and Z? Sometimes, most of the time, it's yes. And then sometimes, like, hey, I actually am better off this way. And I usually try to cater to those guys the best I can. Because at the end of the day, we all have to work together real well. As at this point, you guys in the pads, are you guys getting to the point where you're looking forward to a preseason game or a joint practice? I don't think you ever look forward to a joint practice. You never look forward to it. And things are, it's like a lawless game. You know what I'm saying? You're out there in the wild west. But no, I mean, I think there's so much to get done. There's so much to do. There's so many things that you can get better at on a day-to-day basis, especially from an offensive line, the way we play together, the way we finish. This camp is going by very fast. But at the same time, it's like, you almost want time to slow down a bit, because there's always so much to work on. And being prepared for that week-on is so important to not have to take a couple of one, two, three, four games to kind of get into a groove of things. We need to protect the tent-a-hill now. We need to get Derek Yards now. And we need to finish now. So there's a sense of urgency with this offensive line that I'm really proud of. And it seems like guys come out every day to work. And when other guys aren't feeling it, there's guys there to pick them up. So I'm very proud of the way this offensive line is handling themselves. 15-20 snaps in the preseason, help you get ready for the season? Or do you feel like you can get everything accomplished here on the practice? Our front seven is extremely good. And so if Rabel wants me to get 15-20 snaps, I'll get 15-20 snaps. If he doesn't, then he doesn't. With the defense we have and how they play, leadership like Jeffrey Simmons, Bud DePri, Danico, and Harold, and David Long. Is that Cunningham? Those guys are studs. And so you get your hands full every single day when you go out there to work. And so I think we'll see. You mentioned the cohesiveness of the offensive line and wanting to see that. What does that look like on a day-to-day basis or in live reps, in joint practices, et cetera? The guys are knowing what to do and being fast and aggressive. Understanding there are certain key points that Keith gives us on every single play. What is it? How do you identify that play? How does that play look? What if X, Y, and Z happens? If you're able to register that fast, know the snap count, and fire off the ball, then that is cohesiveness. And when five guys are doing that, that's good jail and good chemistry. And guys playing off of each other. A lot of guys don't get the luxury of guys like me and Ben being able to play together for seven, eight years. I don't even know what it is now. It's been a long time of him and I being the other. So a lot of times, he knows what I'm going to do and I know what he's going to do. And it's getting these other guys who are maybe newer or whatever, Nate, even, too. Everyone on the same page always. And I think it's going well. We'll have to see every day is a new day. It's not like one of those things you just got it. You kind of got to, unfortunately, earn that every day. It's not like a one-done thing. David, he just talked about how going up against this defense in front seven is great work every day. What are you all doing to try to build off the last year? I think just building a team. We had the pieces here just another year of building off where we left the last year. I think we went off on a good note. Didn't really come out our way. But still knowing we have the pieces and the people capable of getting the job done, now we just keep building that team. As you continue to stack practices with Zach Cunningham, how is that coming along as far as that chemistry and the ability to play off and compliment each other? It's going along good, man. We've been here the last few weeks, just on the field, but in the meeting room as well. Just make a show, we're on the same page, whether it's any type of package or anything it is. Just make it sure we know the cause. We can play off each other as well. David, talk early enough about wanting to be more of a vocal leader. Do you find yourself doing that more? Has it kind of been more natural? Yeah, when it's needed. I'm not about to be the raw, raw guy, but when I see that my voice needs to step up, I need to say something or get them going, I will. What do you see from some of the young guys that are whether it's McCreary or Farley, who's back in the mix? What have you seen from the young guys and the defense? I think they've picked up the standard as far as how we play on defense, fast, physical, with a little bit of swag. I think the guys are coming along. We're still getting into the pads and stuff, but I think especially in my room with Gibby, and Chance, and then Roger out there making plays, I think the rookies are coming along and still making some plays. Still got a long way to go, though. What's been the key for you in the last year or so to be able to improve as a past defender enough that you're staying on the field in the sub-packages? Right. I think just learning the offenses, just being more comfortable playing out in space, going out the quarterback eyes, and then just taking coaching, I think all of those, adding it to my game, just paying attention to the guys that's been here, just getting better. That's why I can stay on the field and be able to play in passes and stuff like that. Just learning from the guys in front of me and also just adding to my game whether I've got three new coaches. I've had a new linebacker coach every year. So just picking up any game they can give me, just giving it to my own. What have you seen out of him as a rookie? He's a guy who just seems to put his head down and go to work. Yeah, that's exactly what he is. He's smart. He's not running from no contact or anything. He just is a guy that wants to learn. He'll make it be guys that come in there early. They can know the plays before we do. So that's just good. They can get in here and learn and still just be able to learn in the defense as a whole. David, what have you seen from the secondary as a whole, how much of a compliment can they be to the front side of the thing? I think they could be a big compliment. I think we all work together, especially with hook, KB. Then AJ working his way in. And Roger, I think he's out there on the nicks sometimes. So we all can pick up that standard that we play at as dogs and just keep it rolling. The word that comes up with Zach all the time is instinctive. How much have you seen that? What does that do for your job in particular? I think we make both of our jobs easier. When we play fast and instinctive, whether we can free up some blocks for the other person or just make the defense better as a whole. Like I said before, I think we both have a lot of similarities as far as being instinctive, downhill, and aggressive. So as long as we play like that, then we'll be all right. Taylor will want to say he is not a fan of joint practices. I don't know. I can't remember how many you've done, because it's been like the pandemic threw me off. But you're going to have two this year. Do you guys look forward to that kind of work? Or is that something you don't I do. I like the work. I like sometimes to get a little back and forth out there. I like that. Just going against people that's not my teammates. So now I can let it a bit loose. I can go out there and talk some more stuff, get more bumps and stuff. But I think it's good work early in the season, because most of us are not going to play the whole game. So we get our work out here on the field. So that's good. Nice to have it here at home, because you guys were on it. Yeah, we went to Tampa, man. It was cooking out there last year. I mean, it's hot here as well. So it's cool. We don't have to travel, though. It makes it better. What do you do to keep your body fresh and keep soreness away when you've got some second practices in the middle of camp? What do you do during off days? That cold tub, even though it don't feel good all the time, but just consistently getting that cold tub and then getting the recovery boots and sleep. Whenever we get a chance to get away from here, I go straight home and go to sleep. That's all. Did you always hate the cold tub? In high school, I did. But when I went to college, I had to get used to it. And then when I got here, it was just more of just repetition and just keeping it in my routine. David, what do you say from Cheg when you've matched up with him and just when you've observed him out there? He's a big body. He can run as well. He can catch, he got soft hands. I think he's still working his way, just like all the rookies, just still finding that tempo or their groove in this. It'll come along, we got the first game next week. Then we got two more after that, so still some time to go. Yeah, I'm eager to see everybody get out there. We haven't played a game, especially the rookies. Just see how they can get out there and play against other teams. And wrap up, it's different when it's live, so. Are you seeing any, how was practice today, I guess, in short? It's a wonderful question. There is a lot of times there's some good stuff. I thought situations were good. I think that we at least had an understanding of what was going on from some of the short yardage stuff that we did and then transitioning into longer, third down, longer possession downs. But then having a segue to first and second, and then on the two minutes. So we'll continue to rep these things. And there was, like a lot of things, there was a lot of good things. And there were some plays that we made on offense, which are not going to be good on defense. We turned the ball over on offense, which is going to be something that we're going to have to do defensively. But offensively, that's just going to hurt us. We saw a little bit of a change up today, but how is that coming for you? Just to, I think it was pretty much something we're trying to do just to make sure that everybody's having a chance that Nick and Dylan are competing. And we'll see where that goes here through the rest of the preseason. Nick, maybe get more of a chance today? Well, I think that's where we're at now. I think that that's something that, you know, to have a competition, I think you're going to have to put guys in a similar situation. So that's where we are as of today. Berks and defensive cornerback. Farley. Farley, thank you. Berks and Farley match up today. You guys been here long? First day? We got in for the weekend. I couldn't tell. Never going to be about one match up here. So we weren't able to score there at the end in a two-minute situation. I think through our camp, guys have made plays. And that's what happens in this league. Sometimes guys make plays. You get beat. You have to come back, make a mistake. You have to come back and try to get back to neutral. We know that these games are groups of a lot of plays. And one play can't define us. So whether Traylon had a good play or Caleb made a nice play, that's going to go on throughout the front, offensive and defensive lines, tight ends and safeties. Those are all the match ups that occur. So that's just one small match up out here in practice. How do you feel about Rayce and what he's done seeming to emerge more as an offensive weapon and a deep threat and what he brings to the offense? When you take advantage of our opportunities and you start to show up and you make plays and you know where you're supposed to be and a quarterback starts to build some trust with you, you get more opportunities. So I think that's a situation of a lot of those things happening for Rayce and we're trying to take advantage of his skill set and the momentum that maybe he's had here the last couple of days. How much do they help maybe guys recover and still get work in? I mean, those would be questions, I think, for the players to try to see. But typically, Jim, what we try to do is come in and have a meeting, have some sort of situational squad meeting we're all present, give an opportunity to go in an offensive defensive unit meetings, do a lift with the recovery lift that Frank has for him and his strength staff, whatever dynamic warm-up or movement that they have, yoga, lifting. And then we'll try to go back into meetings and then walk through and try to get him out of here and get him on their feet. And obviously, a lot of treatment through those days. Mike, how do you feel about Ryan's decision-making in this camp maybe compared to what you've seen from him in the past? I think it's been good. I think he's been pretty decisive. I think he's been very accurate on days. I know he had the interception yesterday that he tried to get the ball layered over Kevin's head. But I would say that all in all, he's been pretty accurate. I really kind of like where his tone is and the way that he's talking to those skilled players that he's throwing to it. It's a big group. So in any snap, he could have a different combination of guys, maybe a lot less than what would be in the season. And I hear coach, I hear him talking and I hear. So when your quarterback does that or your position players do that, let's say Kevin Byrd or David Long Jeff, then really, we don't need to say anything. And Ryan's telling those guys where he wants them that there's a correction that needs to be made. You see some of those things being done in those group periods. What do you remember about Richard Seymour as a player, maybe as a teammate and kind of cool? I think just from an early on perspective, he just was so mature. He just came in and he had just this unbelievable stature, size, build to him, length and just but mature. He didn't act like a kid that was 20 or 21 years old, powerful, great teammate. It was really fun to play with, was really instrumental in my development there as an outside linebacker, having luxury of playing next to him. You just talked about a good finish for Hassan Haskins on one of his run there. I mean, just what has he done so far in camp that you've seen in a day like this where Derek's not out there? Yeah, I think just trying to get more decisive in those runs and making sure that those holes or those cuts aren't going to be there forever and just making sure that he's coming back and wherever he's cutting, making a good, violent cut, getting his pads down, protecting the ball and finishing on contact. How much has David Long progressed over the last couple of years as a pass cover guy enough so that he can stay in in the sub-packages line? Well, I would just say his overall growth and development since we've got him, he's always been an instinctive player and always been able to find the ball. I think the understanding of our defense has really improved. Say, listen, get the call, know what you're supposed to do. When you get lined up in the right spot, then we kind of have to, as coaches, kind of let him go. And if he's not lined up in the right spot, probably going to need to coach him. But there's a lot of things that he does that are very instinctive. And he's not the fastest player, but he challenges guys and whether that's tight ends or running backs, trying to get his hands on them or whatever techniques that's being asked of him. Well, one of his brand of leadership maybe isn't for everybody. But do you see him doing more of it? I've heard and seen him kind of. I usually always hear him. But I think that he brings in energy. That is critical in training camp and practice. And just looking for some consistency that we told him, just that's great to be the same guy every single day. And it's important. And that type of energy and attitude and leadership is critical that it stays there each and every day.