 recording done. Excellent. Hello everybody. My name is Amy Tan and I work for Houston Community College where I am the Dean for English and Communications. I also serve as the co-chair of our OER and Z Degree Steering Committee. I'm here with my co-chair Akanksha Batnagar. Hi everyone. My name is Akanksha like Amy said. I'm a political science and sociology student at the University of Alberta all the way up in Edmonton, Canada and I'm also used to be the president and the vice president academic of our student government up there and there I founded our student or sorry our university open education steering committee so I was able to really work on connecting students, staff and faculty together so I'm really excited to be here on the call today. We'd like to welcome you all to the open ed steering committee community call. Here is the list of our open ed conference steering committee members. Many of them are joining us today on the call. Some ask panelists and we want you to know who's here. We ask that when you speak for the first time that you take a minute to introduce yourself to to everyone on the phone call today. And today we're going to be using minty meter to to be able to get feedback and responses from you today just like we did at our last conference call so if you want to take a moment to queue up your device whether it's your your computer browser or your phone or a tablet we really recommend that you use a separate device to join us on minty and then then view the zoom conference call on a different advice the device this really helps with managing you can see you can see the the presentation and join in on mentee. We have a QR code set up for you if that's easier also you can navigate to mentee.com and be sure to enter the code 486339 we also have the chat set up for you if you navigate to the chat there's a direct link to minty and I also want to encourage you to use the chat to ask questions we will be answering questions as we are going along and we will also leave some time at the end for questions and answers. Excellent so I think we're ready to get started with a few ice breaker questions to get us going and so we just want to hear from you how are you feeling today? How is everybody out there in cyberspace feeling? Okay so so a couple of you are hanging in there at least one person is a little out of it I see I'm going to join in with those who are really glad it's Friday oh and some it's it looks like there's a big group who's doing good so keep doing good excellent okay we'll move to our next question and so just to get an idea of who's joining us where are you joining us from please ensure your US state, Canadian province or country and I know we know we have at least one person from Canada I know we have more than one person from Canada. I see California, Georgia looking big and bold there on our word cloud Colorado California let's see somebody from Hawaii is here excellent so it's wonderful to have all of you with us and we have one more question we'd like to know how would you describe your role in the community? I'll give you a chance to respond just to give us an idea of who's joining us today looks like we have a lot of librarians I always tell my students the librarian is your best friend we're really happy to have you here we're happy to have all of you here wonderful okay well I'm gonna turn the meeting over at this point to Daniel Williamson. Hey everybody it's great to be with you on the Friday before Memorial Day for all of you who are in the US hope you're looking forward to a long weekend so I'm gonna give a quick update on progress with regard to planning the conference and specifically around the venue so we were able to secure a venue in Denver at the Hyatt Regency Denver Colorado Conference Center for the week of November 9th this all took place way before COVID was a thing and we recognize that the resulting economic downturn has placed enormous pressure on colleges universities and schools around the country and that this might make it difficult for many in our community to secure the funds for travel if we are permitted to travel come November so right now after talking with the hotel and understanding what flexibility they can give us we are planning for this to be a hybrid event with both an in-person and online platform so we're really excited that this is a first opportunity to to really make this a successful hybrid event a big change from what it's been in the past the hotel has given us some flexibility and so the financial impact of hosting a hybrid event should be minimal additionally we are working with the venue to provide information about ways to ensure flexibility in any potential travel plans we will also continue to monitor the needs of our community through surveys and conversations like this one and as we get closer to that November 9th date the date of the conference all of this information from you all will help us make decisions about how to proceed in terms of either reducing space or making alternative arrangements and of course we're constantly monitoring the guidance from the governments both in Colorado and federally and so I want to ensure you that regardless of which route we end up going we will work to make this an amazing event hopefully we can figure out some way to incorporate karaoke into both the remote and in-person venues because you all know I love karaoke and I remain optimistic that we'll be able to really host a great hybrid in-person online event nonetheless you know this is a time in history where more than ever our society needs an open robust and more equitable education system and I truly believe that the open ed community is uniquely positioned to usher in the solutions to the problems we're facing today so I'm sure regardless of whether we are meeting in-person or online or a hybrid we will have a lot to share come November so I'm going to go ahead and pass it over to Spencer Spencer is our our lead for the on-the-ground team in Colorado so take away Spencer thanks Daniel yep and as you mentioned you know we're keeping in close eye on what's going on here in Colorado fortunately my employer is the state of Colorado so I am receiving those updates on a very regular basis staying in close contact with Daniel about kind of operational directions and things of that nature but we are super excited to support with open ed 20 and obviously moving forward beyond into 2021 our governor is a huge champion of open education and so I'm really excited to kind of showcase this community to our governor and vice versa you know having a big advocate in our state government for open education is really something that we want to take advantage of here in Colorado so we're happy to welcome you all virtually we're happy to welcome you all to Denver which is gorgeous in the fall and with that I you know I'm also open to to any questions or anything that you all have on your minds with regard to what's going on in Colorado so you know as Daniel mentioned we're open to the questions you might have so with that I will pass it to either MJ or Nicole so MJ are you on don't believe she's here but but this is Nicole Allen from Spark she just asked me to give a quick update on where things stand on the the process for 2021 so part of what our four organizations decided we would make sure to do is in supporting the conference for the next two years start looking for a 2021 belt venue very early in the process to make sure that you know we're getting a good deal and and have that lined up for the future and don't need to worry about it you know obviously right now with the conditions with COVID and and just the level of uncertainty it seems premature to you be you be really moving forward with that right now so that's on pause for the moment the plan is to look in the Washington DC metro area and this as soon as there's a just a little bit more clarity and certainty about about what 2021 is likely to start looking like we'll proceed with that process so so yeah I will pass it on to Ethan to provide an update on on where things stand with the conference planning teams and volunteers Ethan awesome thanks cool hey everybody this is Ethan I work with is me which many of you may know it's real we are commons and based in DC and just really quickly an update on the planning teams as most of you hopefully saw we sent out a call for participation a few weeks ago describing the different planning teams for the conference notably those included the program committee our online conference committee the future of open it and sorry team by the admin program team online conference team future of open ed team and our diversity equity and inclusion team we asked members of the community to identify which of those teams they're interested in working on and where they have relevant experience so I'm excited to be able to say over 120 people responded to that so thank you all so much and that's just such an amazing indicator of the dedication and passion in this community so we're really excited to have that amount of participation from the community that forum will stay open for volunteer sign up will need a whole bunch of help to make the conference go smoothly and effectively so you can feel free to add your name if you haven't already to volunteer at any time now of course we have the challenging task of figuring out how to get the maximum number of people into the teams that they are most interested in and the ones that their experiences most geared towards while keeping the teams a manageable size so our goal is to do that by the end of next week and we're hoping to be able to start notifying folks on that on that timeline we have a few questions right now that we're hoping to ask for input on from from the community regarding these teams so I'm going to turn over to Akeisha to run through those questions and jump back in the Mentimeter now awesome so if you're not on a Mentimeter yet you just have to go to menti.com and use the code that's right on the top of the slides here 486339 and we're just really want to know what are some values that you think that volunteers should bring to the planning process and so we have a little word cloud that'll pop up as soon as you are putting in a couple of words so we have knowledge flexibility experience I like that innovation inclusivity see that a few times flexibility is a big one which I honestly think is a great value to have especially going into planning a conference during a global pandemic I don't know about other folks this is definitely my first time doing that so awesome ability to execute experience inclusivity seems to be a large one there which is awesome we're going to talk about that a bit later collaboration I love the word clouds because I think it's really able to show what everybody is saying and it's really putting everything together this looks awesome folks also great spelling feel like I'm not a great speller so no one seems to have made big mistakes here enthusiasm so the Mentimeter slides are going to be are going to be open for a few days I believe until Tuesday as was mentioned so we'll move on quickly to the next question which is sort of asking how do you feel about potential sponsors organizations foundations and what role they should play in the planning process or should they be on the planning teams what does that look like we have a couple of answers here some of them said a consultation basis makes the most sense we should limit the number of sponsored presentations specific types of roles or memberships for various organizations I don't know if anybody from the planning committee wants to say anything about this people who've had experience with this before hi yes Akasha this is Vera Kennedy I'm a faculty member at West Hills Falls more and Fresno State were also serve as the OER fellow and when we develop this question we really wanted everyone to think about the idea that we want to support everyone to contribute and participate in the conference what we're asking you to do is to consider the role or level of involvement you feel like sponsors and organizations should be involved in conference planning and leadership so thinking about their involvement how involved do you want them in program development and the delivery of the conference whether it be on ground online attendance just different things related to conference planning how do you feel about their involvement what role do you see them being able to take a part in thank you much awesome so we're seeing a lot of these answers roll in talking about transparency this is really awesome super helpful as well it's almost hard to see all of them right now but you're able to receive them on the back end as well awesome so I'll pass it over to Amy just to go into a couple of of business style questions to help us get a little bit of a better understanding as to how we can continue to move forward okay thank you Akasha so we're just trying to think about how to move forward with flexibility and innovation and we just would like to know from you assuming that public health conditions allow how do you plan to attend open ed 20 on November 9th through the 11th will you plan to attend in person will you plan to attend online are you still unsure so again just your reminder we really appreciate your responses and your feedback it really helps in the planning and I see there still a lot of uncertainty out there I know this is something we're all managing is the uncertainty but we will definitely keep your responses in mind and again if you if you know people who were not able to join the call I hope you'll encourage them to click click on the the Mentimeter presentation when the link gets it around so that they can contribute their responses okay wonderful we'll move to the next question assuming public health conditions allow give your best guess on the following statements regarding attending open ed 20 in person on November 9th through 11th in Denver do you expect to have funding for travel do you expect that your employer or the government will allow travel in November would you be willing to travel personally in order to be in person at the conference please note that on the left hand side is very unlikely on the right hand side is very likely you can see the results popping up there it looks like there's still quite a bit of uncertainty right down the middle there okay well again thank you so much for sharing this information with us we'll move on to the next slide if applicable in person registration in past years has been approximately 400 us dollars with early bird registration for in-person registration at open ed 20 what amount would be ideal for you what is the maximum amount you would pay what amount do you think would be fair on the left hand side we have the minimum of zero us dollars and on the right hand side we have set a maximum higher price at 800 dollars 800 us dollars so again we really appreciate this information I'm Daniel would you want to speak yeah so so one thing that I think is really important in the reimagining of the open ed conference is that it's really meant to be community driven and so transparency in your ability is to pay and support operations of this event it is really important and will help guide our work and additionally we intend to use this information to help determine the most appropriate cost for registration recognizing that it does cost something and so we also intend to be transparent in the this process and we will share the models we're using to determine pricing as the as the that becomes more concrete so thank you so much for your input this is really really helpful also I just want to note in the chat that Phil Edwards has asked is is sliding scale an option for registration fees and I think that's something that the planning committee can discuss so okay thank you again and we'll move to our next question there are real costs to holding an online conference that will need to be covered by registration for online registration at open ed 20 what amount would be ideal for you what is the maximum amount you would pay what amount do you think would be fair again this is considering if you were attending solely online what would you expect to pay with the understanding that there would be significantly reduced costs in an online environment however there there would still be some costs incurred excellent again really appreciate your response and your feedback on these questions and I believe I will at this point turn it back over to a kink chef awesome thanks so much everyone thanks Amy for passing it over so it was really awesome to see in that word cloud about some values that we want to see in on the planning teams one of those words that came up was inclusivity and so we wanted to spend some time today talking about that with you folks and so we know that this we want to make this conference something that really embodies the values that we have as a community and so our conversation today is obviously not going to be exhaustive we don't I don't think have enough time to really get into the deep conversations around it but we did want to just start that conversation and just note to everybody that this is an ongoing conversation that the committee would love to have with the community in any shape we are for whether it's right now whether it's a little bit later on another call or whether it's via email and so we have a couple questions here that we wanted to talk about last month's meeting again inclusion was another one of the central values that people shared and so the first question that we really want to ask you is what does inclusivity at a conference mean to you I know folks have gone to conferences before so maybe providing some of those thoughts or folks who haven't maybe what you think would be the best and I would say for this question keep in mind maybe that COVID is not a thing just generally what do you think inclusivity could look like I'll also pass it over to Jasmine to just give a little bit of thoughts and feedback on this as well while you folks are thinking to help you come forward with your thoughts as well Jasmine. Yeah thanks Akincha so I guess when I'm thinking about inclusion more broadly for me inclusion involves you know inviting everyone to sit at the table both figuratively and literally of course those individuals being heard and working toward a common goal that benefits you know a wide variety of folks it also involves centering the work I'm sorry the work of centering marginalized people and the process of accepting their contributions as well or contributions from diverse groups and I will say by diverse I'm not referring to the term that I see many people use when they're actually referring to people of color I'm saying that a lot when people say diverse people they really mean people of color and I personally don't like it when people do this because of course white people can have diverse experiences outside of the realm of race we shouldn't be just talking about race or ethnic diversity inclusion although of course that's that's certainly important but that's neither here nor there I'm talking about a broader term that really refers to those whose experiences are not always at the forefront of these conversations like for example people with disabilities or trans individuals or those coming from the global south it's it's really not enough to tout a diverse ecosystem if you will when there's a failure to create an inclusive environment where people can thrive fully participate and bring their whole self to you know this gathering on the same token I think it's okay right to grant space or hold space for of course holding organizations and gatherings like this accountable for creating an inclusive environment but also acknowledging that this process is it's not going to be perfect I mean we can certainly be gracious toward each other without making excuses for historically privileged groups I personally think this helps to take a little bit of pressure off of needing this to be perfect and like a king to was saying earlier this is not going to be the first or our last time excuse me that we're going to be talking about this process of inclusivity but it does need to be something that we are proud of and of course disrupts previous models that we've seen so all in all this is really hard work I mean someone unfortunately will be left out to a certain degree and of course that's not intentionally because of the very system that we we work in at least in the North American Western context so we're working in a broader context that makes our work to be more inclusive a lot more difficult and since we are asking for an inclusive environment we need to make sure we are actually ready for that and what I mean is if you belong to a historically privileged group it may feel uncomfortable seeing that your experience is not centered because you're used to it whether you acknowledge this so let's make sure that we are actually ready to do this labor together and then just last thing because I feel like I'm just talking so much in this pursuit of inclusion of course privileges are going to be addressed and so I actually recently tweeted this when someone points out your privilege or the privilege of a group that you belong to instead of getting defensive thank them for using their energy and emotional labor to educate and make you a more well-informed person so that's about all I have to say for for that and I'm looking here at the word cloud and it's just really amazing to see all the different words and phrases that are coming up here so thank you yeah thanks Jasmine for that that's super helpful so we'll move on to the next question here allows for more for people to put in a lot more words if you're interested so we're really asking what are some challenges and barriers that we might face in the community in terms of creating inclusivity and I'll pass it over to Vera if she has any thoughts about this thank you yes so in developing this question we really wanted everyone to focus on who is often left out we want you to deep go deep into your experiences and think about how you've been reached and maybe some acknowledgement of understanding those who have not and that might even be you you might be someone who had not had access in one way or another to a particular event or within a program so we really wanted to know about those challenges that you have witnessed yourself or other space not just around accessibility but particularly around culture maybe economics region so please bring forth your ideas things that you can acknowledge that you've seen understood or felt from your participation and events like this thank you awesome thanks so much so we're seeing a lot of really really awesome comments here sometimes it can be hard to break into the established groups I definitely feel that comment as a as a student leader it was really at first really nerve-wracking to me to to get involved with open but it was a lot is really easy once I push myself a little bit this is great kinksha I'm also seeing this is Amy I'm also seeing that you know we may not hear from those who are left out and I think this is something that the steering committee has discussed and it's something that that keeps some of us up at night so anything any advice or feedback on that we would really really love to hear from you yeah that's a great point I mean I think budget and funding challenges for those in marginalized groups as always is pretty difficult as well awesome these are so helpful I'm just reading them as they're going so quickly this is great again I'm sorry to interrupt you and I'm seeing that online accessibility is coming up a lot and that is something that we have discussed on the steering committee in terms of making sure that we're not exasperating pre-existing barriers to you know on online accessibility and so we we definitely welcome comments as to how we can limit or at least ease some of those barriers yeah I think that's a great point to know and we'll maybe move on to the next question because I think that a lot of the things that you folks are saying here might be able for us to have a conversation about in the next question but we're really looking for as we know there's the possibility of doing a hybrid model and in-person conference and an online conference so this is a two-prong question where the first question is just really asking about what are the practical ways that we can add inclusivity in an in-person conference so whether that is making sure that there's available mics for presenters and for people asking questions whether there's the ability to you know group all the same style of people or style of sessions in the same area of the conference setting so what are your folks' thoughts on this and I think if anyone from the committee wants to jump in and really provide some feedback or respond to some of the comments this is going to be super helpful and just to keep in mind that the next question is going to be talking about what does inclusivity look like in an online setting which I think is going to be a doozy for a couple of us I really like the comment about a thoughtful and enforced code of conduct I'm curious what people's thoughts might be on the best ways for us to enforce the code of conduct rather than just because my experience with it is that people will often just say remember that there's a code of conduct make sure that you're reading it what are some other ways that we can make the code of conduct sort of top of mind for people so that it is something that we are thinking about actively I see a couple of really good ones to point out to the use of pronoun stickers on name tags also caught my attention was having the live captions which is also something that I think a lot of us have been introduced to now that we have gone 100% to teach online rather than having to wait for recording so that was really good feedback thank you yeah awesome thanks so much Vera I like the practical ones of making sure that there's gender-neutral bathrooms that there's quiet spaces spaces to decompress I find are really important especially when you're constantly having to to walk around and think during a conference it's really nice to have a space where you can just decompress and just hang out for a bit a little bit biased but I also like the the student-centered panels for students I think that's a really great comment as well awesome I'm just gonna give an enthusiastic thumbs up to the use mics and force the use of mics and I see another one everyone using their microphone this is Jasmine again and I saw here no keynotes and I think we discussed that in our last community call in terms of how that implicitly of course creates this hierarchy within this community and I'm at least feeling and I don't want to speak on behalf of the community but my interpretation is that many of us don't want that hierarchy we want more of a grassroots gathering where we're all sharing collaborating and of course sharing best practices so I just want to bring that to everyone's attention that seems like that is definitely something that folks don't want no keynotes. Jasmine I'm gonna piggyback off of the comment I saw on the previous slide somebody had posted no more OER rock stars and that falls into that frame that we traditionally when you're talking about OER we always see the same people the same names leading you know kind of talking at giving information rather than being more participation engaging process so I wanted to add my comments to yours and someone said they like keynotes so that's that's good and these are great converse like conversations for us to be able to ponder as the people are on the planning teams as well hopefully and on the committee as a whole so we'll move to the next the next question which I think will also be really interesting and maybe we can spend some time discussing some of the answers here but what does inclusivity look like for an online conference and I don't know about other folks in the room but since having moved everything online it's definitely taken a strain on just being able to focus for a solid eight hours a day I'm noticing that my eyes are hurting more which if you don't have a blue light filter on your laptop you should absolutely invest in something like that it's very helpful but how can we make sure that inclusivity is top of mind even though we're doing things online where technology might actually not be super helpful for us and we're providing things like meals or providing intentional space might be a little bit awkward if we're not using video we don't have that face-to-face interaction captioning for presentation seems to be yeah really interesting a great point was made about making sure that presentations are available during all time zones and that's really really cool because I think there's conference this conference to be international really has to has to take it into account so that's a really great comment toxic social platforms is not required to converse I feel like that's talking about Twitter which is not wrong all the time I like that as well this is just out of curiosity do people have like has anyone ever tried to do online live captions using like Zoom or any other kind of online thing and if so like what did it look like did it work for you Jennifer I see that you have used it Richard as well okay cool yeah I said this is Vera I use it on both in Google Slides and PowerPoint they both have captioning services it's just you have to display them through the web based software and Google is more accurate on words but Microsoft is more accurate in adding punctuation so there's good and bad you know it's not always come out perfectly clear but it is it is a lot more helpful than not having a resource but then there are captioning tools for just doing presentations like this so I'm seeing record sessions the the committee's absolutely talked about how we can record sessions so people can come back and visit them at a different time which is kind of a benefit I think of doing them doing some of these sessions in an online session is that had this had been an in-person only there might have been less of a chance for you to go to two sessions I know I often I'm like I want to go to both sessions at once and I'll send a friend to one of them and then try to take their notes after so it might be great for us to be able to record things so we're able to really look at them later oh yeah definitely taking to account people who don't have access to good internet all the time that's a really great point Justin providing a car a talking stick I am curious to know how that works in in zoom I feel like if you have like a bunch of people how are you able to sort of like navigate who talks first I've had people use like a little function of raising your hand in the little chat box I don't know if there's more fun ways to do that this is Amy I also appreciate the multiple breaks I think that they're that when you when you move online there's a tendency to think that you just have endless time and you can just run things you know back to back to back and people can take breaks when they went to but but then you end up missing things and I think it's really important to to schedule that break time and to give people a chance to pause I don't know if anybody else from the panelist group wants to add any comments about what they have experienced or how they've you know felt challenges in creating inclusivity in online space and maybe getting some people to ponder those thoughts I can show this is Nicole I just wanted to jump in and acknowledge the the tensions that sometimes come up around some of the issues that are that are being raised about you know wanting to make sure that the conference is affordable and that being important to make it accessible to people but you know things like providing live interpretation or certain types of of recording and live streams and web platforms have costs and I think one of the things that that you know I'm most looking forward to in the process of planning this conference is really grappling with those questions and it and it's just so it's it means so much to see all of these really important just pieces of feedback and ideas and I think it's gonna be a lot of hard work to come up with the right balance but I'm really excited to work with you know fellow steering committee members and the community to to come up with the right balance and make sure that we're taking all of this into consideration and really deliberating where where to invest the the funding that that we have and be able to maximize inclusivity in a way that's meaningful for the community yeah that's a good technical so comment here on peer review with meaningful feedback oh no it just went away but it was talking about peer reviewing people's presentations which is an interesting concept for sure to make sure that they kind of fit this I think you know something that I am thinking about now just talking out a lot of it is like maybe there's a way for us to include more of these online values regarding online conferences in the code of conduct and you know making sure that presenters know to you know run through how they want questions to be answered and stuff so I think this is really helpful in terms of providing us with some really practical things we can do okay so again this is not the only time that we want to have this conversation we want this to be really dynamic and be able to talk about this all the time so if you have ideas later again the mentee slides are going to be open until Tuesday but if you have ideas past there feel free to shoot any of us on the planning committee a message or an email we're happy to bring it up you want to make sure that these things that we're learning from it but also we're able to really do our best in terms of trying to integrate as much as we can knowing that because we're having to to move online potentially and do a hybrid model that it might be learning on a lot of people's parts here but we really appreciate all the comments and people chatting in the box about things that we can do in little resources that they can pass on to us we're going to move on to sort of the housekeeping questions so how can we find another way for us to meet again what days work best for you and such so I'll pass it over to Amy again to just lead us to the end of the call okay thank you akanksha so we'll we just have a few housekeeping questions so we're thinking in terms of scheduling the next community meeting on the typical week which days work best for you so just let us know if Fridays work for you is this a good time or would you prefer a different day you can see on the left it's worse for me on the right it's better for me and I think the results are hidden there we go so it looks like looks like Fridays are pretty good for most people but we definitely want to hear from you so that we know we're scheduling calls to include the most people and so we may have some variety there well we'll review the results and see what we can do for our next meeting scheduling the next community meeting on the typical week day which time slots work best for you can see we took some time to designate the time zones there to try to to help you you determine what what works for you what's worse for you and what's better for you so I'll give you just a minute to record those answers and we will definitely take these responses into consideration when we're scheduling our next call wonderful okay I think I think that might be our last question oh we have one more question which is an open ending question what other ideas or feedback would you like to share for the open ed conference so we really hope you'll take this opportunity to share your best ideas with us all of your ideas are welcome we want to we want to see want to see your thoughts and ideas and again don't forget if you if you want to come back and add some more responses or if you know someone who couldn't make the call today please tag them and ask them to click on the link and and fill out the the responses so that so that we have we have the feedback to consider as we're moving forward okay so wonderful we appreciate the thank you we appreciate your time and being here I do think we have about 15 minutes for any additional questions and answers and I think that we're gonna have I think a kink shot is gonna manage that from the chat we've had a few as we've been going along and I think we got those answered so if you have a moment to review the chat there's any further questions and answers I'm sorry any further questions this is a time to go ahead and put those in the chat okay and while you're thinking of questions just looking through some of the responses here see looks like there's a vote for lightning talks an organizational platform that can help us share more fluidly a suggestion to have different tracks according to institutions and we just to jump in quickly somebody made a quick comment about how it's gonna be really hard maybe to create that sense of community knowing that there might be some people who are more able financially or in other situations be able to make it to the conference in person leaving out a lot of people who might want to be part of the community so I think that's a really like really good point to note that a hybrid might be good in terms of getting that content but a big thing that we love about the conference is that we're able to develop a community out of it and that might be a little bit more difficult to to create in an online or hybrid model so that's a really great comment and something that the the committee will have to to ponder I think about a little absolutely I'm seeing no questions in the in the chat but I think that we haven't answered I think everyone's comments and questions have been super helpful I also know that it's the long weekend for folks in America we were joking earlier when we were prepping that Canada just had their long weekend a couple weeks ago and we call it Victoria day we're still a Commonwealth country so happy late Victoria day to you Americans out there who have a vacation this weekend but take the time this week to relax and not think about work if possible but we really appreciate you being on these calls like I think it's really awesome for us to get this feedback and it really helps us to really frame our conversations on the day by day but if we're able to end a little bit early it might give you folks more time to enjoy the long weekend so thank you so much for being here Amy and I really appreciated the thoughts and sort of the rest of the committee and again these conversations are ongoing so feel free to send any of us in the committee a message at any given point any platform and we're able to bring them forward and hopefully we'll be in touch regarding the the planning teams absolutely thank you so much for joining us and I just want to remind everybody that this presentation was recorded and that everyone who is registered will receive a link the link will also be sent to the open ed community listserv and again thanks for joining us thanks for your participation and have a great weekend thanks everyone thanks to me and a kink chef thank you everybody thank you a kink chef