 me hoping it would at least like mouth quickly, but that's when you take a cup of water and you go there would have been an idea. If I had a camp stove, I would have made coffee. And did you hear back from Sean, Mary? I did not. Okay, Leo's away. And Jeff's away. Yeah, I saw a note from Jeff this afternoon. I look it's in the queue. Caitlin, you were away, right? Didn't you go like South America or something? I missed the last two. I was in Belize and then I was in, which was for fun. I was scuba diving and then I was in San Diego for work. Nice. My sister and family went to Belize a while ago. I don't know, four or five years ago. And part of it was to expose their kids to a different culture. And I guess the official language in Belize is English. Yeah, there's a lot of Creole though. Yeah, everybody spoke English. I saw lots of army ants, I guess. It's Brooks and Sean. So you don't know if Sean's coming? I didn't hear back from Sean. I can text. So we could get started. Bare bones get started on things. So, okay. Oh, there we go. There's Brooks. Text Jeff if we need him. But, you know, four is, four is a quorum. Well, I heard you talking about me. I just wasn't I was just laying low. I was in the bushes. Hi, Brooks. Welcome. Well, we got five of us. So we're so who's five? I'm counting Caitlyn, you, Chase and Brooke. Yeah, that's that's four for my. He's he's Joseph's new. So you keep looking at. Oh, that's right. You're a staff now. That's right. Yeah. Four works. Four works. I don't know if the only other person out there is Sean. Right. I didn't hear anything for major. What major? Word for major? No. OK, well, we'll start and see where all this goes. Yeah. So this is. It's always so odd starting without cameras, without anything. It's sort of like, what's the difference? I guess now we're officially starting. This is the beginning of the meeting. It's a developer review board for growing for April 19th. And I assume there's people who are people from the public or applicants who are watching this in that we take up items that they are in the agenda. And when we call each item, we ask people who are going to either be applicants or want to speak on the application to identify yourselves, raise your hand or indicate and Scott will admit you to the meeting. And as appropriate, people will get sworn in if needed. So that's our introduction. And there's no communications because everything's online at this point. And I believe we have minutes from the last meeting that were posted. So if anybody has any comments, let me know. With that, we have the first item, which is consent for 129 Spruce Street is the applicant here. We have Nate Yeager. So Nate, you're able to speak. Hello, Nate. Hello. So this is on the agenda as a consent item, which means if you're okay with the recommendations from the staff, this is recommended for approval. Were you okay with what the comments were from staff? Yes, I'm okay. Okay. Is there anybody on the board who objects to treating this one as a consent item? Is anybody here in the public for this one, Scott? If anyone would like to speak to 129 Spruce Street, raise your hand now, just the applicant. Okay. Does somebody on the board want to make a motion on this one? I'll make a motion, Brad. Thank you. So on CP 22109 129 Spruce Street, I move that we approve the application and adopt staff findings and recommendations. Okay. Caitlin Seconds, any discussion? All in favor, it's unanimous. Okay, Nate, you're good to go. Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Jeff wasn't kidding when he had the DRB and B as our, you're here. Next item, public hearing for 325 Flynn Avenue. And is the applicant here for that one? Yes, we have the applicant, Kathleen. Okay. Yes, hi. And is there anybody from the public who wants to speak on this one? If you'd like to speak, raise your hand. Okay. So Kathleen, would you raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth and hold truth on the pain and penalty of perjury? I do. Okay. And I am for which one this is that you are, I think there was something about the parking that you need to allow movement of your parking tandem. Am I right about that? Yeah. But you can park four cars that can move independently. So I don't know what that issue is about. I guess I'm trying to understand your site plan to some extent. Yeah, you see where the tree is? A little further up the tree. Yep. See the tree? Well, two cars parked in front of the tree like parallel kind of parking. And then two in front of the garage. So people can come and go as they please. Nobody, you don't have to shuffle cars whatsoever. Never have. I thought the width of the drive was listed. Look at your site. Oh, you don't have width on the driveway. So it's hard to know, right? I don't have a width on the driveway. Well, it's kind of- I was trying to get to the garage. I thought it was 19 wide. Let me see. Let me see. I don't know if I have that with me. I tried to do this in person, but I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to be. That's why I'm on Zoom. Yeah, it's 20 feet wide. It's down the bottom of the sketch. Way down the bottom. See? Yeah. Or is that on the bottom of the sketch or up by the garage? I thought it was near the garage. Well, I mean, it's also at the- Oh yeah, you're right. Because I've got- It was so long. Let me see what I did. Yeah, it was up by the garage. Yeah, you're right. I didn't put it at the bottom. Sorry about that. But you see, it's actually wider at the bottom. And I forgot to put the scale on it as well. Every square is two feet. Oh. Sorry about that. I'm bad. I mean, really, I'm not really good at sketching. So yeah, every square is two feet, exactly. Let's see. So, right? So Brad, we did not have an approved site plan on file. That's why I include an aerial image to show how long the driveway is in existing conditions. So, if they can park, was there some question about how many, whether they were in tandem or not for the apartment? All right, Mary. Well, it's this allowance about when stacked parking is allowed and when tandem parking is allowed, you know, by previous review, we've seen that there has to be somebody there to move cars. Okay. Well, not in this driveway. Well, if, but doesn't have somebody to be there because if you've got your guests and they have somebody behind them, somebody's gonna move a car for them to get out. No. I think if we look at the plan, it looks like you can, there's two cars that park in front of the garage and then on the side of the driveway, you can park two cars in tandem that can each independently get out without blocking each other in. Right. Parallel, not tandem. Correct. Right. If we look at the staff report, that, I think that photo helps make it a bit clearer. If there are no changes proposed to existing conditions, this is an extremely long driveway that required two pieces of paper for her to draw her site plan on. I see that. Yeah, there's very long. Very, very long. Well, that was the only thing I was trying to understand. Any other questions from the board for the applicant on this or the questions? I'm gonna close the public hearing on this. Okay. Thank you, Kathleen. We'll probably deliberate at the end of our meeting today. Very good. So I'm all set. You're all set. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. That's when it's 84 Chase Street. The applicant here for this one. I expect Colleen is a telephone number, Scott. Colleen, can you raise your hand? Do you know if Colleen has a 617 or an 802? I don't. I don't know. What are the- At the end with the phone, it's star nine, right? So press star nine if you're calling. Or I can just let both phone numbers talk. I'm gonna let both phone numbers talk. Why would we do that? Well, we don't know what application they're on, right? No, we don't. Here's the one. Okay. So if you're on 617, you can speak. So it's a moment. So you did. So I'm gonna ask the 802. Hi, Scott. This is Jim Langen. I'm not here for this one. I'm the 617 number. Okay. Great. So must be 802. Come back. And who are we speaking to now? We are the commos. We're in the, we're in the agenda later on, but we just were queued that we could on mute. So we did. Okay. We're just looking for an applicant. So right now we're going to assume that 84 Chase street is not here. Colleen Hartford is not part of the meeting. We'll come back to that later in the meeting. Okay. We'll go on to the next agenda item is 43 Star Farm Road. Is the applicant here for that? Yep. So I think that's Alicia. So who else is with you here? Alicia tonight. I should have Michael Coke from the CEA group. I think Jim Langdon indicated he was here as well. I also may have Sandy Tebow from Katma available as well. And Jeremy Owens from the landscaping design. Okay. So all of the above can speak now. Okay. So all of the above, I need to swear you in. And if you would tell the whole truth and underpain and penalty of perjury, do you agree? I do. I do. I do. I do. Okay. And is the 617 Erica, it's still part of this hearing Scott? Yes. Yeah. I think that's Jim Langdon. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good. So Alicia, do you want to make a presentation on this? Sure. I think you have have our information ahead of you. This stems back quite a long way back to 2018 when it does. We've been working on this for a little bit. So it stems back from 2018 when the no parking ban was instituted along Star Farm Road for safety purposes due to the Flynn school. And when that occurred, it caused an influx of cars to make their way back into the Birchwood parking lot. And we quickly realized that there was not adequate parking to accommodate all of the additional street parking folks that were parking on the street. And so really what that led to was the identification that the lot was zoned for 40 some odd spaces, which certainly is not adequate enough to not only operate but also allow for visitation of the folks that reside in the facility. Now, our facility is licensed for 160 beds. We typically average about 140 residents there on a daily basis. And so between the employees that it takes to be able to provide the not only an adequate level of care but also the federal mandated and state mandated minimum levels of care, we also average about 70 visitors a day. And so we had a parking study, which I believe is part of this packet that indicated that we need roughly 100 spaces in order to adequately be able to manage the flow of traffic into the facility. Last year, excuse me, 2019, we were able to work with the city to increase the parking and additional 20 some odd spaces. And we're coming back with the hopes to increase the additional, I believe it's 20, 23 spaces to accommodate a total capacity of 98. Have a parking management plan as part of the application to rain. That is correct. We're working with Katma. And part of this, I think, is a result of the zoning change, too. Is that right? Is this your application, Scott? Yeah. Is it part of the requirement for TDM is part of the current Article 8 requirements to seek a maximum waiver? Yeah. Was I'm going back, can you? Yeah, then the shade trees are also part of the requirement that you're meeting here to write with the landscaping. Yeah, that's correct. OK, I'll ask if there's any questions from the board on this application. I'm curious, Alicia, have you put into practice some of these aspects of the man management plan already? Yes, we have the bike parking already. And one of the things that we identified is we already have about 27% of our workforce that takes alternate means of transportation to work, which already exceeds the amount that the city hopes that we do. So I think part of the dilemma here, in addition to that, is that we have so many visitors that come on a daily basis that it's very difficult to account for visitor traffic in a TDM plan. So in addition to the percentage of employees that we already have that utilize alternate means of transportation, it's greater than that because the amount of resident visitors that, one, I have to allow and require, also is create some challenges. And certainly we want to be able to comply, but there is also the human aspect of if you're loved, if we call you to tell you that your loved one is dying and we're asking you to come to say your goodbyes, that you have a place to park versus circling a lot for five, 10 minutes trying to wait for some parking space to vacate. And I guess that's one of the dilemmas because your plan doesn't really address the needs of the visitors. It's really trying to deal with staff, right? Am I right about that? The brand Sandy Tebow has their hand up. Well, it's very difficult. I actually have, oh, super. Thank you. Sandy, did you have some of the contribute on that? Oh, sure. So Sandy Tebow Executive Director Katma, the Chinden area TMA, I think everyone is. The mayor with Katma, we have been communicating with Alicia and the Birchwood team and really excited about them joining Katma. They have similar challenges that are faced at one of our founding institutions, the UVM Medical Center, where you have employees and staffs and visitors. And so the goal is for us to continue to build on the great work that Birchwood has done with encouraging employees to use sustainable modes and get more employees to use sustainable modes to free up those visitors. So I do think there are opportunities to increase carpool and van pools for Birchwood based on our experience with members. And there is an opportunity to increase use of guaranteed ride home program. And I think what Katma is going to provide Birchwood is a robust education and outreach program to keep their employees engaged and aware of what transportation options are available to them. And there's also microtransit. The state, actually the legislature right now is investing, I think a million dollars proposed in microtransit where you, and that microtransit is like an on-demand shuttle service and it works good in rural communities, but we're hoping to pilot a program in here in Chittenden County. So potentially Birchwood employees could participate in that. So yeah, I'm really excited about working with them. And one of the first steps we'll do is conduct an employee's transportation survey to have that baseline data on Birchwood employees, mode trends there and their travel behavior that we can then inform, it'll inform us to implement new programs, enhance our education to their employees. So kind of a long story on that visitor question, but it is similar to the medical center type of client on a smaller scale. And that microtransit that you mentioned, that's not something the public would take advantage of. It could be. Right now it's geared towards employees. There's a program called MyRide in Montpelier that's going on right now where they people request a shuttle and they meet at a specific location and then it brings them into Montpelier. And so it's really trying to serve those areas where fixed route service is available. So really Katma on behalf of our membership really will be working closely with Govermont and trying to get a pilot microtransit program here in Chittenden County. My name's Eric Wagonic. If I can piggyback on that a little bit. I'm a traffic engineer and an author of the TDM plan that was submitted just to add that context. I missed the taking the oath part. I don't know if you want me to take that oath now but I definitely, I agree. I swear you're right now, Erica. Be honest and full truth that business. So I, yeah. Can you hear me? I was saying I swear you went right now. So do you swear to tell the truth and hold truth under paying a penalty of perjury? I do. There you go. Okay. So you're right that a lot of the explicit things that were outlined in the TDM plan are geared around employees and that has to do with the ability to kind of communicate and serve a kind of dedicated population where Alicia has regular contact with the employees. She can do that education, working with Katma. The incentives and policies are easier to target to employees but there's a lot about Birchwood that is accessible for visitors using non-SOV modes, non-single occupant mode. So it's on transit. It's within the Uber and Lyft service area. There's good bike access. It's on the sidewalk network. It's within the green ride bike share. There's a lot of other ways that visitors can also get to the facility. There's bike parking out front for them. So even though a lot of the new and kind of existing policies are really targeting the employee population, the infrastructure itself and the location of the facility allow visitors also to access without just driving themselves. Sandy, did you have something you're adding to the? Just really quick on the green ride bike share. Katma is one of the agreement holders with the bike share vendor Bolt. And we are developing an expansion plan where we're gonna expand the fleet to 200 e-bikes and with virtual hubs to be established. And I could see potentially a virtual hub in the Birchwood area with some of the neighborhoods and other businesses and schools in that area. So something we would want to put a plug in for. Okay, thank you. I think that's, most of my questions had to with that. And I see the landscaping is addressing the shading requirements pretty clearly. Any questions from the board for the applicant on this one? Anything, I know it's been a few fits and starts to get here, but you had an advantage of the zoning change. So that helped in the end here. Anything else you want to add, Alicia? No, I really appreciate all the time and effort the city has put into working with us on trying to come up with a solution to the situation. And again, I think that the proposed zoning changes that actually had went through, it's not just a Birchwood, doesn't just impact Birchwood, it impacts all senior living communities, which I think is very important considering the landscape of nursing care has changed so greatly over the last 50 years. Okay. Well, thank you. Thanks for your whole team being here. We're gonna close public hearing at this point. Thanks. Brad, did you ask for a public input? I don't think there's any, but. So, whoa, I thought I had it at the beginning. Is there any public input on this? Raise your hand if you'd like to weigh in. Yeah, nope, so we check. Okay, good. Thank you. Next item is gonna be 7678 Drew Street. Is the applicant here? Yes, that was the other phone number, right, Mary? That is, yes, 863 number. George and Dorothy Como. Yeah, so George and Dorothy, you are able to speak to us. Are you both in the same phone number? Is that? You're going to need to unmute. Yeah, I'm just paying them to unmute. Okay, so. Hello, we're here. The commons are here. Good, so it's George and Dorothy, am I right? Yes. Yeah. Do you swear to tell the truth and whole truth on the pain of penalty of perjury? We do. I do. Okay. I do. We do. So this seems fairly straightforward that you're expanding within the existing footprint of the existing house. All right. Exactly, the basement. Okay. And you've got some open permits, but that's part of, I guess, Scott's got the plan going. And I don't think there's any, next year changes required the parking, there's a parking waiver requirement, is that, am I ever seeing that right? Is this your question? I'm requesting a one space parking waiver, Brad. Yeah. Okay. Do you want it? It's great. So this is a duplex right now? All right. Yes, it is. We have a tenant that has no car and hasn't had a car. He's been with us for eight and a half years and we have one car. So right now we have parking for three cars and only one being used. In fact, we offer our neighbors parking, off-street parking during winter parking bans. Yeah. And that was the thing. This was originally permitted for four spaces that I was reading. And but there are only three on site. So one parking space waiver seems fairly reasonable there. And I think that was the only real question on the application. You've got your own building permit issues to deal with if you expand in there in the basement. There's a habit of space, but that's beyond our jurisdiction. Right, right. This is the first step. We need this waiver of that parking restriction for one car. Okay. I do like the recommended conditions for approval on this one. It's pretty simple if we approve it. Any questions from the board on this application? Then we're going to, I think we'll close the public hearing. It was great, short and sweet. I think we're okay with it. We will probably deliberate at the end of the meeting tonight on the application. Very good. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, folks. So now we're back to 84 Chase Street. Did Colleen Hartford appear? I don't see Colleen. I called and got her voicemail. So I assume the phone was in service. I thought she'd be trying to call. Do we have to do anything to defer this to a different meeting or? Yes. It's a public hearing item. So you at least need to continue it. And I would suggest if you continue it to do it to a date certain. And what would you have available? The first meeting in June. Do you know what that date is, Mary? June 7th. All right. Does everybody want to make a motion to defer 84 Chase Street to June 7th? Oh, moved. Okay. Second. Chase. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. So we've done that. So that is the end of our agenda. Wow. Is that what we have to add? Cruising. Okay. Well, then that's the end of our hearing. Our developer review board meeting. And we'll move into deliberative. Recording. Well, which is 325 Flynn Avenue. I move that we move the application and adopt. So we've done this. Chase. Okay, any discussion? All in favor? Recording stopped. 21, 734 Star Farm Road. I move to adopt staff findings and conditions. I'll second it for procedural reasons, but I think after I second it, the comment will only be at CP 22. I think that's right. Yeah. Is that okay? Chase, you met 20, you said 21 is 2200, 22, 700. Oh, is it? Oh, interesting. On the report, it says 21. Yeah, you know, I think it probably is 21 because it's been kicking around long enough. Ah. Good eye. I think it's 21. Just read it off the staff report. On the report on the agenda is 22. So yeah. Is that okay with you, Brooks? It stays 21. Yeah, that's not a deal breaker for me. Okay, good. It's good to be accurate here. Yeah. Any discussion? All in favor? 21, 734. Recording stopped. In progress. CP 22, 115, which is 7678 Drew Street. I move that we improve the application and adopt staff findings. Okay. Second, Chase, discussion. All in favor? Recording stopped.