 All right. Merry Christmas. Oh, the crumbo. That's right, everyone. Merry Christmas to all of the good night. Well, that's Santa. Nothing was stirring, not even a ramp in the rat. Merry Chrysler. Oh, wait. That just got cut off. You don't know about ramp in the rat. Dang. Well, I think most people know about him. He's pretty famous and cool. Oh, OK. We were before before we started, we were talking about ramping, who is, of course, a rat. Yeah, he's like a little cuddly dude. He was not, despite being a creature on this night, in particular, nothing, including him, was stirring. He was not stirring. He's like killed with the whole Christmas stuff, too. He doesn't like eat your presents or anything. Oh, no, no, no. Rampin knows that when the people have their little festivities and get-togethers, there's always going to be excess food that's left out and around. And maybe he's just like the pet rat of the family. He's not just an unpaying tenant. He's just, he just lives in the house and he walks around and he just sort of eats with the family. Mel comes home, puts his shoes away in his coat, and then Rampin is like, hey, man, you see the new Andor series? Yeah, Rampin has his opinions, which is pretty neat, right? Like, it's not just a rat. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you have a friend that can talk to you about all kinds of media. I wish I had a Star Wars rat friend. Not Salacious Crumb, not him. He would very quickly wear out his welcome because he'd always be going, meh, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh, how do you get a kid to do it, yeah. He most likely laughs when people are suffering, too, so. Oh, OK. Well, because this is our job and we have to talk about things, modern media, on a live format that extends for like a third of a day, there would be a great deal of suffering in my household and there he'd be. Laughing as we discussed how terrible Star Wars has become, asterisk, he would be Salacious Crumb himself. You'd be laughing whenever you switch on the newest Marvel movie and you're like, I haven't even seen the opening credits and he's just still laughing and you're like, what? I don't understand. You keep doing that. How does he know? Stop it. Salacious and I, we would sit down together on the couch as we do and it was his turn to pick the show and, of course, the little the little rat bastard decided to pick Star Wars as he always does. I had always kept up hope that one day he would choose something else to view, but he said no. He said this will obviously be in his voice. I'll have to imagine that at home. This is the theater of the mind section of the EFAP episode. Yes. Salacious would look up to me with his ugly rat face and he would say and he would say, let's watch this new Star Wars show that came out. That sounds just like Andorre. Yeah, yeah, you have to you have to imagine. No, I don't know that the dialogue like that just sounds like something you would say. You'd say it so blankly and you'd have like a little smirk. He does have the smirk because he's sitting here going, oh, yes, new Disney Star Wars. This will be terrible, awful, no good, very bad, disgusting and I think that by bringing him up, you should probably explain like this has been gone off some time, you and Salacious watching Star Wars. Like this goes all the way back to when the OT came out, right? You guys were sitting there on the sofa and out it came. I really, I know it sounds a little cruel, but I kind of wish I didn't pick him up on the side of the road and nurse him back to health. Yeah. He's kind of a menace. You know how bad he was with Jabba. Can you imagine in this post-Jabba world how just off the chain he is, so to speak. But that was the most interesting time, right? When you guys were watching Retina the Jedi and he was showing you his, because that was obviously a documentary. It was a documentary about his lifestyle or his, he's quite young in the film. He had a lot to learn. He got involved with some bad people. There was some money was needed. It was fun at first. It was fun at first, but then it became. We got tasered. He got in too deep. He got in too deep. And he got out of there. He did, he did get out of there. That's what he decided to do next, but. Unless it was he on the barge when it exploded, but I guess it doesn't matter because it was Max Rebo. Yeah, Rebo's out of there as well. Yeah, he's okay. I've seen him around. He's fine. There must be some serious moral implications, I guess, of like was it, you know, how moral was it to turn the gun on the barge and shoot it, you know? Like people there who are just patrons? Yeah, because I bet a lot of them were just like people and there was like a party and everything. I suppose they're supporting the horrible system though. Or were they told that the people getting executed had broken the law to a very significant degree and they were horrible, terrible, terrible people. And so really, you know, it's just the law of the land being executed. It's not exactly too fashist. I don't see Max, like if we take Max Rebo as the example, right? Or the weird snoot mouth lady or the weird, the brown one, the CGI brown one, because as far as brown colored, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that to be, to have your fur be brown colored metal. So they were probably fine people. You know, they were probably just there to make a buck. You know, their music was good, recurring, gig, nice and safe, go to the Jabba's Palace house, play some music, sing your songs. Maybe they'll be someone dropping a rank or play music. It won't be you. Knowing much of anything about the context. I guess you'd know the Jabba is kind of a dodgy thing. You probably would. You'd be an absolute fool to not know. You'd have to have just landed on the planet. But I guess, yeah, when you accept the job of going there to play music, you should know that some rebels might explode the place and you could die. So you have to song them to a degree. There's an understanding that someone might get dropped into a rancor pit. And as long as it's not you, which it's very unlikely to be, then carry on. Yeah, as long as you're playing your music nice and chill. Play your music, sing your songs. Watch the goings on of Jabba's Palace. Back in its heyday, those Halcyon days. Not this madness that we get with. What was that show? The Book of Boba Fett. I was gonna say, jumping around the history, right? So you and Cromwell watching the OT. The OT was pretty solid and fun and cool. Yeah, yeah. It kind of kicked off a whole franchise. I don't know if anyone remembers it. Star Wars, yeah. Like sci-fi fantasy space opera. Yeah, that's pretty niche, though. You shouldn't expect everybody to know that. Well, hence the intro. You have to be into science and fiction. The Venn diagram for that is pretty. It would wait until people find out about the Y-Wing. They're going to be going nuts. Why would we talk about a Y-Wing? They would be saying that's what a Y-Wing is. So OT is pretty neat. You know, as stories go, it's considered a classic in more ways than just it as a thing itself in culture as a classic, but it tells a classic story, right? What are all the people called? The hero's journey. Standard journey for a guy who's like, oh my God, I'm unfulfilled. And then he gets called to action and eventually at the end he goes through all kinds of tribulation, reaches himself a new man. And simultaneously, the world is defended from an evil fascist government that it's something that everyone can feel pretty good about. And it was phenomenal to say the least. It got like a huge amount of attention for not only breaking all kinds of records in terms of box office and engagement, but it did a bunch of things technologically that impressed it. Wowed people, rags and salacious when they watched on this little sofa. They were like, whoa, this is amazing on our 4K. It's not a little sofa. It's a pretty normal sized sofa. No, it's a little one to me, because I'm big. You? Yeah. Okay, I guess. But it's just normal size. No, it's small. So all sizes are small. You don't have to say this. Mine isn't small. You're gonna distinguish this sofa not compared to other sofas, but to yourself. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's a little sofa. It's a little cute little sofa. Okay, it is cute though. Yeah, well, one of us is cute. So he's just is staggeringly ugly, actually. Rinpen is there as well, right? He's quite foul. I've woken up in the middle of the night and seen his shadow creeping against the wall. And let me tell you, his profile, it legitimately terrifies me. Oh, well. I should probably start locking the cage. Yeah, yeah, I've woken up and seen him sometimes. He gets around. He's busy at night, I guess. He does get around. Turns out he's nocturnal. Yes. Yeah, he didn't want to go out into the sun in Return of the Jedi, but that's why he likes being inside the palace, because it's always night there. They're always just having a great nighttime. It's dark. So you get that landscape. It's all good. It's all great. There's only different movies coming out, but Star Wars is a cool guy. And they made three movies and they were like, okay, that's good. And then sometime later, the creator of it, Mr. Lucas himself was like, I'm gonna make three more. Okay, here I go. And then he did it. It was like, whoa, calm down, Mr. And for those of you who don't even know, too much. We've covered Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith across EFAP's long, long history, two different results with different formats for them. And my God, what history? What history lay there? Oh my goodness. Recalls. Oh, right. I remember. They were interesting. They did what you could easily call, they expanded Star Wars, and I think they would have increased its overall fan base, but they were also a little bit cringe, they were all bad films as it seems to be. There was a fun to them and there was a heart to them. Yeah. And so loads of things would spawn off and be generated. They were like a catalyst for Star Wars content and adoration, kind of interesting, especially here in the generation of, a lot of the common sort of media commentators, the prequels came out when they were in more formative years. And so they hold a position of being discussed with some form of reverence, if not inspiration for different stories as well as just foundationally, hey, it kicked Star Wars onward, it kept going. It did. It was sitting over all, still laughing a little bit though. He was laughing at it. Yeah, he was laughing, but here's the thing, we were both laughing. The prequels, that was the high point of our, I don't want to say relationship, his continued presence in my own, but that was a high point of whatever we have going. It is not fraternal nor sexual. I'd rather despise him, but that was the peak because we were laughing together. Oh, we both know it's, that's the thing, right? We all know it's bad, right? We both know, I know and he knows, but we both appreciate that. Look at this fun show, look at him. Oh, he said hi there. Oh my gosh, there's Dexter Jester. Wow, that is, wow, incredible. We had a good time laughing together. We were united for a few moments. And the third one ends and it sits up right next to the beginning of a new hope. It almost like slap bang, just is like, look, there you go, you don't need anymore. And you're like, oh, okay. But of course, Star Wars fans out there, including Salacious were like, well, could we maybe get some more? I don't know, you know, post OT, pre OT, post prequels, pre pre, maybe even during the OT and during the prequels, why not, right? The Star Wars is pretty big. We could have more stuff. I wanna see more Jedi going, I wanna see more space. It's called, and then Hyperspace and Blasters. And so it's like, more, do more, right? And then along came a hero known as Disney. They were like, you know what? I think you guys, you need more Star Wars and Evil Ol Lucas is only making that Clone Wars TV show. We need him to make more movies, right? And they're like, yeah. And then they bought it to everyone. Yeah, Disney. Yeah. Oh, Disney. Oh, Disney. The long came. Didn't they? The Force Awakens, which I still remember when that trailer came out. I was like, oh my God, this looks interesting and good. A Star War. Can you believe that there's a Stormtrooper and he took his helmet off and he's a guy? Oh my gosh, that might be a character. Oh, yes. There could be something with that. That could be really cool, but they do with that idea. Wow. And who is this kid? A shell-shocked Stormtrooper. Holy shit. This is super interesting. We should definitely develop all of that, yeah. And then like a heroic pilot who's captured but tortured by this new guy who is familiarly connected to Han and Leia, but. I like how you said captured, but tortured. Well, you know, captured can be good for some people, depending on the service. That's true. I wish someone would capture salacious crumb off of my couch. Well, so I learned. It was so weird, right? Because you were like, you would chill with the Force Awakens, but he was cackling. You were like that way. Here's the thing. I found out why his last name is crumb. He is a crummy guy. He leaves. Crumbs. He just, he crumbs everywhere. Well. Don't ask me how I found out that his name was, why his name was salacious as well. Both the dictionary for that one, but you see, we got a position of like, oh, that was neat. Well done. I can't wait to see how this story unfolds. But like I said, there was salacious laughing his ass off. And I remember you just being like, why are you laughing so hard? Like, we didn't know. We didn't know what was happening. Didn't know. You know, two years later, they're like, hey, wanna try out this new thing we got right here? Like what is this? Like they call it the final Jedi. Like what? Like the last one. That's kind of like the sequel. I remember one of the initial thoughts everyone had about the last Jedi, the Pistamoth was that it was a really bad sequel to the Force Awakens, that it fucked up loads of the Force Awakens. Then it was like, well, it fucked up loads of the OT. Well, it fucked up everything. Just fucks everything up. And at this point, Salacious Crumb is just losing it, offing, I mean, so for you. That's absolutely- I'm glad that he, I mean, I wish we all kind of were aware of the joke or that we could get so much joy from this movie, which I guess we did, very indirectly. But yeah. And it's kind of weird. It's like, well, the Star Wars thing was cool, but I'm not sure if it is anymore. And so, you know, that's when the Avengers assembled and we made full podcast here, talking about that thing. We wanted to know, you know, what is this going on with this Star Wars guy? You know, and we talked about a whole bunch of them. Like, you know, Disney might not be directing it in the best of directions, honestly. This last Jedi guy, he's not cool, not fan. And then they were like, well, we're making another one. Hmm, okay. But- That won't come out before we get a little bonus one in the middle. Like, what is this? Solo, a solo story. And it was like, ooh, ouch. And at this point, I think Crumb was like offing with laughter, right? He was just- It was, I was, my fingers crossed, I hoped he died. Yeah. But he wasn't laughing that much. So it's like, what does that mean? Well, the stories were getting really shit. And it had gone beyond a joke almost. Like, this is getting really bad and those sticky fingers were getting everywhere. Like, man, you just went both before and after the OT, you're fucking it up now. So what's going on here? You know, this is getting weird. Rise of Skywalker comes out and because- Oh, yeah, that movie. The atmosphere, it's just like, well, most people thought it was gonna be a joke anyway. And the thing is, it pissed off general OT Star Wars fans. It pissed off Rise of Skywalker, like, sorry, Force Awakens fans, PLJ fans. And just, it didn't really have many fans of itself. Ralo fans liked it right up until the last few minutes. They were upset that the two got separated. Just to make sure we're all on the same page. Is like, that's the Rise of Skywalker is a, what one would consider a clown movie. Nobody liked it. Everybody agrees it was terrible. Nobody remembers what happened. I feel like all three of them were clown movies. I think that the way to describe it would be that for a while, the Force Awakens was not a clown movie. People thought, oh, you know what? That's pretty good, actually. It's a return to form. It took a little while. Yeah, but we're in 2022 now, so. Yeah, we're at the point now where I think people accept it's a clown movie. I don't find anybody who likes that movie at all. Yeah. Well, yeah, TLJ is the 50-50 split. 50% of people think it's a clown movie, maybe a little bit more, but then there's much more art. It's not a clown movie. It's brilliance is what it is. It's profound, really. But also don't get too upset about the continuity or whatever. I mean, this is a space wizard like thing. You know, it's goofy. And yet all children are really hard for children. Things that they had to do to justify that this, the coping is what, the cope is unreal. Yeah, and there was no cope though for the rise of Skywalker. That was just, nobody liked it. Well, yeah, and it was funny because I think the angriest people were the TLJ fans. They were like, you've destroyed everything. And we were all saying they're like, how does it feel, man? You listen to the audience or whatever and this is what you get. And it's like, look, the audience didn't write that clown movie, okay? Oh, yeah, I saw people saying I was to blame. Yeah, I didn't realize that you were a co-writer. Yeah, he knew what would happen. He knew what would happen. Then it's kind of interesting because the absolute sort of decimation of the film side of Disney Star Wars coincided with the beginning of the streaming side of Disney Star Wars, which is now the prominence. An ultimate Mandalorian season one episode came out. Was it a day before Rise of Skywalker? Yes, but it had the force healing to coincide with that. Yeah, so that it probably set it up, but, you know, we asked it to be completely in-camera. Because that's what it means to set something up. That's how it works, yeah. It's the one day before the film comes out. I genuinely think that's hard to dampen the blow of being like, we're going to introduce a whole last new force power that changes everything. It's like, cool. And the thing is, you know, the new era of like streaming for Disney Star Wars was received a lot more favorably, you know? People thought Mando was pretty good. We think back to those times. Mando season one, we were not happy. And a lot of other people, dare I say, most other people were like, so you guys have got that issue then, have you? And we're like, what? And it's like, you guys are just going to hate whatever they put out in order to try and benefit from that sort of dynamic. If you're not being honest, you're just trying to bank on hating. Really? No, no, it's just bad. I mean, the thing with The Mandalorian was the first couple of episodes we were all right with for a time. I watched them again. And the longer that it went, well, yeah. Because now the whole thing was like, yeah. But I mean, it was by the time we hit episode four, it's like, uh-oh. Oh yeah, four was, we're back. The first time on our first viewing of the season one of The Mandalorian, the show by the Disney. We thought episode one was good or pretty good. Episode two was fine, not as good. Episode three, uh-oh, we're getting really shaky here. And episode four was we're back in the pledge. I was done after three, but I remember me and Rags like absolutely despised four. I thought it was a complete disaster. God awful. And then we watched it again. We talked to a couple people about it to see if we were sane. Yeah. Just to be clear, it's bad from the beginning. It's always been bad. Yeah, episode one's really bad too. It's just that it sort of slinked by, I guess. I think it's slinked by because we were just talking about the thing. And I think something that was really lame for me with The Mandalorian was something that I've wanted from Star Wars for a long time. It's to get some stories. Now of course they exist elsewhere, right? Like a video game. To get some story stories. I wanted some of these bigger stories to actually like move away from the main line story of like Skywalkers and Palpatines and the solos. Like that main storyline and to focus on this massive universe's other stories with characters who don't really have much to do with that main line story and Jedi or anything. And The Mandalorian seemed like that had the potential to be that, right? It's about a bounty hunter traveling around the galaxy, doing jobs for people, coming into contact with all sorts of different groups going to different planets. But that would be the promise of that show. That's not what I got at all. I hope. Well, yeah. And I just want to let everyone know. It was like that was felt as though it was the final step in the right direction, finally saving Star Wars. When we were like, so this is just empty and it's mainly appealing to like things you know. When we were, we were almost on books, we were like, this is going to be more substantive, right? They're showing the Empire struggling. They're showing, you know, there's characters who exist in this world beyond the grandest gruggle. They're just trying to get on with whatever the hell they're getting on with. And it's like, that could be interesting. But Mando one has the same problem as season two with the efforts of trying to sort of get through the time code while convincing you a story is happening when it's not really. Yeah, because I don't really have much to say. Like who is the Mandalorian really after two seasons? It's a big problem with it. He's a... And a few episodes in Book of Boba Fett. Most characterization we got was he's bigoted toward droids. Until he was extremely inconsistent. Until he was gone. Yeah. But like, it's not even, it's not even something that I describe as much of a character trait as it is. Like the way that it's used, it's just like a fun fact that gets removed. Kind of. It's a fun fact that they sort of forget about. And then kind of remember at the end. It's cause the droid, like the separatist droids would have attacked and killed his parents. That's great. Okay, that's something. That's a lot more for us to use there too. And it's referencing something we're familiar with and generally have a liking toward, right? The, and that was, by the way, one of the earlier examples of, oh, the prequels. We're not shitting all over the prequels anymore. We're actually using them. Okay. We're acknowledging them. Yeah. We're acknowledging their existence. That's indicative of how far Disney Star was because at the beginning, they wanted nothing to do with it. They weren't very much avoiding it. In a better world, it may have been considered respect and sort of repairing. Meanwhile, in this case, it just seemed like it was pilfering. It was like, what can we use? Yeah. Cause it didn't really use. It was more than what we made. They actually liked the proof was more than what we've made. So we should probably lever it to that. Yeah. And it's definitely at this point, that was foreshadowing for what was to come, right? Cause you go back then and we had heavy pushback. We had to argue quite a bit in favor of the, of Mandalorian being a lot more flawed than people thought, but these days not getting much pushback at all for Mandos season one. Even people are like, eh, it was fun. It was neat. It was fine. But they will tolerate people saying it was shit. Cause they're just like, yeah. You don't remember enough about it. Because the honeymoon phase is over. It's the same. It's like, it's always the same. Like, no, it's really good. And then a month or two later. Actually you were right. It's like, yeah, I know. The book of Oberfatt didn't have a honeymoon phase really. That's true. Jumping ahead a bit, right? Isn't it season two next, Amanda? Oh, yeah. But I thought we briefly touched. Well, yeah. Season two was like bad. Well, so season two, it was interesting cause our first episode, we got huge pushback. That one episode sort of pushed back. Third, it was starting to slow down. And I believe I said it was, it was fifth. The fifth episode, people had like gone, okay, shit, you were right actually. This is pretty bad. It's like, yeah, it's just cameo city. And they've got all of the hallmarks of shitty writing in the middle of their mandated action scenes and characterless fucking events. What season two firmly established was the sort of the way that it was going to operate going forward, which is that, oh, with Mandalorian, because he is like a bounty hunter who travels around the galaxy, he gets to sort of, he becomes embroiled in the struggles of different people that represent sort of different elements of this universe. And that can be really interesting because how does the Mandalorian react to, this job that he has to take on that sees him doing this task for this group of people or that sees him have to go to this planet or interact with this faction. That that's something that you could have in a bounty hunter show in terms of developing the Mandalorian as a character. That's not what they did. The realization was, oh, just have him meet like Ahsoka. Yeah, there she is. Oh, look, have him meet like Bo Katon and have him meet all of these other characters that we've seen before. Cause like that'll get people excited. That'll get people talking about it. Yeah, cause those are really great characters. Yeah, we got to learn all about them. We did, yeah. Oh, they also have Gus Fring. And of course, make sure that people are really excited and entertained by what's going on. We need to make sure that we have at least two action scenes every episode. Usually a smallish action scene during the first act of the episode and then a big action scene at the end. That's the formula. And it is firmly established in, in a Disney TV. Well, it's Disney TV in general because the Marvel shows have a similar structure as well of like one action scene, at least per episode, usually to one in the first act and then a big one in the third act. What's worth dropping a seed for is that we had knowledge as early as I think Mando season one. I want to say maybe even earlier of this show they're making called Andor based on Cassian Andor from Rogue One. And the sentiment, of course, was why? Andor, like, really? Why? That guy, that guy person who was in the movie? Why? And then it's like, you know, shows would keep coming out. You get like Mando and then Booker Boba Fenton. It's like, yeah, Andor is still like, they're working away. They've been working on the script for a while and they're about to spend a long time shooting it and then a long time production. And it's expensive, yeah. And it's like, oh, okay. Every time it came up, why? Just why, why, why? But they're really pushing forward on it. And it's like, okay. And as we know, like projects would keep being announced and changed. There was supposed to be a Boba Fenton and Kenobi movie, but they both got scuttled into TV shows. Because of Solo. Yeah, Solo. Solo fucked everything up. But to be fair, it was Solo and TLJ, that one, two punch. I think, yeah, it is the one, two punch because Solo probably would have been more successful than the one for TLJ. I think the Star Wars fandom was very fucking confused as to what the hell they were being given. And they were confused as to what the hell they were making. Though they had given like a set of resources and time to this other show that was off in the background. So I was feeling, you know, maybe I'll pop back up. But for now it was. You know, that wasn't, yeah, that wasn't people's, people weren't that interested. It's like, okay, yeah, Andor, but like, oh man, book of Boba Fent. Well, so yeah, if you remember Mando season two, one of the cameos is Boba Fent himself. He's like, oh, I'm so cool. And the episode with him is so indulgent, it's hilarious. Like he's just unstoppable and awesome and so cool. And I mean, that episode in particular was emblematic or representative of the writing for Mandalorian. What was it that Robert Rodriguez said that like the script was not very long at all? Yeah, I think he was given, I don't know if he said something like he was 15 pages for like the entire thing, but there was huge chunks of just, there's a fight here, do whatever you want. Yeah. And one of the things that they wanted was the rockets on the, what was it? The knee rockets, wasn't it? Yeah, I don't remember the knee rockets. That was pretty good though. I'm glad they kept that. To be honest with you, that was probably the more sensical parts of the whole fucking episode. Like just the bolder if you remember the bolder. Having, you know, it's like a sci-fi tool versus I forgot I have a jet pack. Like, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna put that jet pack here and don't take it with me anymore. Well, it was funny, right? Cause he doesn't want him to take his weapons off or even his armor. He's just like put your jet pack down. It's like, oh, that's a really weird and specific thing you want. It's like, yeah, so we can't use it. So we can't get to baby Yoda when getting kidnapped. Yeah. Even though he just left it on the floor right next to him but he still couldn't get to it. Oh, and then of course, just with just highlighting the two series of events, Luke Skywalker shows up and the whole internet went wild, except for literally us. We were like, ooh, this is lame, but not Luke. Kid Walker also out of character, but everyone, like I remember us getting lots of trouble with lots of people that were like, oh my God, you hate literally fucking everything. You can't actually like anything. And it's just like really not that. We're making arguments as far as I'm concerned. We're paying attention. It's not earned. It's bullshit. And it's being used to distract you and distract it did. People loved it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Season two. That's a good one in our books. It ain't very loved at this point. No. Not much at all. Yeah. Because what came around next? Book of Boba Fett and Book of Boba Fett, yeah. What a fucking disaster. Boba Boba. Yes, absolute disaster. I think that's the easiest way to describe it. Was that seven episodes? Yes, it was, except it was really five because there were two Mandalorian episodes that were... Oh yeah, that's right. It's the highest thing to look back on because one of the things that happened at the end of season two of Mando was that they basically changed the formula. They finally had the balls to say Baby Yoda's fucking reached its destination. Mando, go do your own shit now. Thank God. I mean, it's not gonna be good, but it'll be better because it'll have... We can finally have something built instead of wasting time going on weird adventures, meeting random people and just having Baby Yoda go blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what they've been relying on. Dangerous species. Well, I love it when our protagonist, who doesn't really do much talking or emoting or really anything in any way, what they decide to do is to pair him up with a character who's not even really sentient and can't speak and really just sort of makes baby noises and can't communicate with him. So that was an interesting creative decision. That's awesome. Yeah, I appreciate that. That's so cute. Rex, so cute. I don't understand, it fucking works. Like there are people, I've been on several podcasts and discussions about like the Mando seasons and the first thing a lot of, and funnily enough, it's like, you'll never expect it, but it just comes out. It's just like, yeah, but Baby Yoda's really cute though. Like it's just like, what does it have to do with literally anything? No offensives of the story. Like what the, but it's like, it's a really good distraction and there's so many those moments peppered in. Like Baby Yoda having a little spit up for me and there's a little piece of food playing with a little ball and then like Mando has the ball. And it's like, that's so amazing storytelling. He cares about him. It's like, sure, it's like, man, we're really limited here. We're scraping the barrel. We've just got nothing. We're scraping. But he's, you know, Mando at this point, he has the dark saber. He has his super spear. He has like all these connections with all these famous people. He's practically, he's like Rey, the intention with Rey in Force Awakens, which is that you are a Star Wars fan being put on a Star Wars rollercoaster. That's what Mando is. He's gone and visited all these cool places and cool people and has all these cool objects. But he's not a person. Neither is Rey. Neither of them have character. And this formula has worked for lots of projects. It's made them a decent amount of money. The reality, of course, that I would push forever is that you could have made so much more if you actually had characters. This cynical like, we're gonna build an audience insert so that people can just feel through them. There's loads of stuff behind the scenes of JJ from saying that, right? Like when you see Rey using the Millennium Falcon in the Force Awakens, it's supposed to feel like a rollercoaster of you riding the Millennium Falcon. Hence her lack of definitive and defined portraits and corners is that you can more easily staple yourself onto her. You're experiencing the Star Wars world as a fan. And it really worked. And so they've sort of been like echoing that approach. And JJ does it in a lot of his stuff, right? That's why at this point he's like the fucking undertaker of franchises because he converts them into McDonald's and then they die. It's, you know, first we were only seeing the McDonald's portion and kind of like, you know having that one time off McDonald's can be nice sometimes. You're just like, it tastes pretty good, it's satisfying. But then when you eat it like 10 times in a row, you're like, fucking hell, I want to die. Like I actually want to die. This is horrible. I think I am dying right now. Yeah. Yeah. And so season two closes out and Boba Fett is well into it's tenure. And there he is. He pops up again. I guess it's a fun cameo. And it's like, no, it's not a cameo. It's an episode of Mandalorian. It's everyone called it this. And everyone said like, how come it looks so much more expensive? How come it feels like it's shot by different people? How come this has like got nothing to do with Boba Fett at all? It's one of the most, I think when we watch it, it's like, I don't think I've ever seen this happen before. This is actually bizarre. And I would love to get more notes on the production of Boba Fett because I imagine it's a fucking disaster. I imagine all of it was a slap job that like just came together in the end and they're just hoping people don't notice. It did have that, yeah, kind of vibe to it. Like you're like, it has that, oh shit, we need a sequel, hurry, hurry, hurry, kind of vibe to it. Crazy shit. And the Mando episode, I think that was the one we said was the best one, right? It still wasn't good, I don't think, but we said it was the best. Yeah, it wasn't good. So it is the one that doesn't have your main protagonist of the show in it. Well, we say it's, I think when we said it was the best, it was like, because the first 10 minutes kind of felt like we were doing something interesting. Yeah, yeah. But we were kind of exploring and going places and doing bounty hunter stuff. Yeah, just being a bounty hunter in a different place in the world, which was enough for us to compliment it, even though it was still desperate for character. Yeah. But the absolute craziest part of it all was that by the time you hit the end of Boba Fett, you find out that Luke was training baby Yoda. It doesn't go that perfectly well and he just teams back up with Mando. Yeah, and they make sure to ruin Luke again because they can't help them. Every time Disney decides to show Luke, they ruin him like every fucking time. The creepy weirdo that is an absolute like reckless idiot. And the problem of course was people, some people are like, you're ruining Luke and other people are like, well, they're setting him up for TLJ, aren't they? Because he's a reckless idiot in TLJ. It's like, oh my God, this is just the worst. Well, it was Hull. This is absolutely the worst. Hull is all Grogu don't have emotional attachment stuff. You know, it was that kind of shit. Grogu, you have to choose your little baby or make this, yeah, exactly. Make this choice, like, oh, well, I'm gonna do the emotional thing because I'm an infant and I want to see my friend. Yeah, so Mando season three is on the way and it's, we're back to square one, I'm fucking believable. Mando season one and two are fucking pointless. I don't know why we would have seen them except maybe because we're gonna have drama with the whole dark saber thing. I guess we needed to know about that, which is, that always seemed dumb to us anyway. So it was just like, all right, fine. We'll be there eventually, whatever, but this is almost caught up to the timeline. We had one new awesome cool thing coming out and you're like, what is this? And it's a TV show based entirely around Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, people have been asking for that for ages. Between the prequels and the OTs. Oh my God, finally. Finally, we're bringing in Ewan McGregor, who's the perfect age to play. This is just, this is everything. This is so good. And he's even producing it? He cares a lot about this. This should be awesome, right? And unfortunately you find out that some people are asking whether or not it's worse than Boba Fett. Oh no, cock it up. And you know that if you're asking that, holy shit. We're doing something wrong. Man, that show, cause I even think the trailer we were like, there's a chance. There's a chance. The fool list, the optimistic fools that we are. So what happened? What can we say? They had an idea and they fucked it completely to the point where we want nothing but for that to be decanonized. And it's so sad because they had every resource they could possibly want. Oh yeah. They even did the thing. The thing of you can de-age these guys pretty easily and actually create new prequel content. You could, it's not too hard. Imagine the amount of meaning you can add to the prequel era and the OT era by doing that. They gave us like one scene and it was, fuck I remember taking so much issue with it. It was like he was trying to teach Anakin to get too aggressive or something and it makes you miss. I can't remember. It makes you lose. No, actually Anakin just won the fight. Yeah, didn't he win the fight that he's just like you just lost? Yeah, because he won, he was like, you just think we were done. Actually no, so now you're lost. No, you just extended the fight because he said it is not over now even though he was winning. Don't you get it reflects the modern times because Obi-Wan, God, the amount of, I don't even know where to begin. We have coverage on it. It was eight hours in total, I think, the super cut. It was absolute fucking disaster, hated it. My God, it's testing the ability to remain in any way just invested or competent within this. Confident in Star Wars. It's so bad. I mean, I think it's safe to say, right? Like is, you know, by the time that we got to Obi-Wan Kenobi, it was done. It's like, man, it's just all been shit. Yeah, it's all been really bad. And it's been all bad in some sense in different ways, like in terms of capturing different ways that it could be bad spread across a huge amount of the timeline at this point of just like damage that's been dealt to like Star Wars as a story, like as a broad universe. There's only so many times, right? That you can like show up for something and then get kicked in the nuts. And then it's like, so, looking forward to the next show, it's like, it's only so long until they start saying, so ready for the next nut kicking? I mean, a Star Wars show. Yeah. You have maybe someone be like, so how are you still watching Marvel movies? And it's like, well, that was actually kind of the thing. We talked about this well before Phase 4 even came out. How do you destroy Marvel? It's like, well, you've got like 20 characters you've built up ranging from like solid to great. So you gotta, you know, there's a lot of work to be done to bring them all down. And then you've got the will to destroy, you know, plot lines to annihilate. Yeah, and just Phase 4 has been making quick work of just getting rid of everything. If the MCU had a health bar, it went from like, you know, but like stable to just, it's, it's, I was about to lie, it's on like a lifeline, but it's like, well, no, it's dead, it is dead. I think, I think it was, by the time we got to Black Panther, Wakanda forever, I think all of us were just like, all right, so I guess we gotta, yeah, we should probably like check it out, like the coverage just to make sure that we've, you know, still got some sense of, you know, just it's such a big story in terms of pop culture that it's like, it's probably worthwhile to, you know, know what it's like and just sort of keep knowing it, right? Like as for any investment in actually watched it, like. Upon reading about like the Avengers team constructed by Falcon fighting the Thunderbolts at some point. I just thought like, I don't even, like I don't even, I don't care about these characters. I just don't care. What the hell does any of that mean? I don't know. I don't care. I don't even care about the world's like, oh, Ant-Man, quantum mania, we're going to the quantum or it's like, okay. I guess. I don't know what that means. I don't know. It's going to be bullshit. It's going to be nonsense. And I know what at the point because like, the way that Marvel makes movies seems to be just like incompatible with consistently good storytelling. And I think that Star Wars has been basically falling into that category, right? If you need to consistently, I mean, formerly it was, we need to deliver a film a year and we saw that lead. And then it became, we need to deliver like a Star Wars show like every six months to a year. We need to consistently be delivering stuff for the streaming service. And, you know, like four shows in. Yeah. You know, like it's not, not a great result. It's terrible. Um, yeah. And the point being, of course, that that's how much work it took to destroy that story. So how much work should it take to destroy Star Wars? Like, well, you got to kill the main big, big three from the OT being Han Lukin layer. So that's been done by the sequel trilogy. It was pretty much. I never even. Work. And then you got, well, what about like the foundation of what was achieved in the OT? It's like the, the destruction of this big evil force or at least the dismantling of it. And it's like, well, they were all back in an instant. And then they were brought down again. So just, it made it feel like it was pointless. What Anakin did, his big old like move with his arcs. It's like Palpatine didn't even die, man. Like the fucking Empire came back and it's like, so we're in a really bad state. It's like, well, the prequels, the value you drew out of them is sort of like a big building setup to how we got to the OT and how they were, how Palpatine was subverted. It's just like, well, the Kenobi and Boba Fett and Mandalorian shows are all just like snipping away at everything we could draw out of it for being valuable. The world building. Where do I even begin? It's just like, it's so fucked. And so like, it's like, what is left for Star Wars? It's like, it's not as big in terms of story scope in a sense as the MCU. There wasn't as much to destroy. I say this knowing, of course, the legends was completely decriminalized, right? So I'm discounting that even though with it, that would have arguably have been the, like Star Wars fans are troubled with that one. I don't blame them, right? Cause they were very invested in all those stories but they're all gone. I feel like Star Wars is much smaller and of what was left, it was destroyed. And it's like this windling IP that I was incredibly passionate about. But you know, we find out, like what we're just doing our thing. And it's like, Andal's coming out by the way. It's like, oh shit, right? Oh yeah. I can absolutely say that it was just like, yep, this is the next Star Wars thing but it's kind of registering on my radar as Hawkeye did. I'm like, I don't know, man. It's a guy who I don't really care about in a story that's not going to be too relevant to the main story. So yeah, I'll try and get onto it, I guess. And I find out, you know, it's coming out after or during the release of House of the Dragon, She-Hulk and Rings of Power. Yeah, it got lost in the shuffle. I actually did cover five episodes on The Forge but then it just stopped because we were also meaning to do the recordings for that, right? Yeah, and then that stopped. Ideas, not everything can be made the way that we intend because I was like, oh, I'm not going to watch any more because I don't want to get too far ahead, right? Well, and by the time... Anything else happened. By the time time was available, we'd find out, it's like, oh shit, the last episode's already out, damn. Yep, exactly. So yeah, it's out and we're moving on. Lots of things still to cover, like God of War or, we'll count it forever or whatever else pops out. And, you know, you eFap fans out there. I'm seeing these posts every once in a while, like seriously, they didn't cover Andal with the fuck? And it's like, well, I mean, Andal's just been missed. All right, it's gone, bye-bye. Especially, like, I'm just not that obsessed to catch all the Star Wars content after the fucking tenure we've had, right? And it's like, you know, whatever, it's like, maybe, maybe. And then, you know, like Moon Knight, for example, a lot of things have the fate of Moon Knight. Moon Knight was the closest, Moon Knight is Icarus, basically. It got the closest but it fucking died. It didn't get its coverage. But, you know, people still like Andal, Andal, Andal. And then, something weird happened, a drinker watched All of Andal and said it was really good. I was like, what? I would have thought he would hate, he would more likely hate it than even me. I was like, oh, okay. And then I hear some other people like, it is good. Just check it out, it's just different. It's not the same. And one of the things that we noticed about, you know, the production of Mando, Kenobi and Boba Fett, they're all, I'm pretty sure, slathered in Filoni and Favro sticky juices. Yeah, juices. There's this new approach to making Star Wars content or even just Disney content. And it is fucking factory as hell and gross and fast. And we were like, I don't wanna watch more of that. And then it's like, well, it wasn't made in that era. It wasn't made by those people. It's a way higher budget, way more deliberate production. And it's got basically nothing to do with all of them. And it was set in motion well before those ones were. Yeah, cause apparently this was started almost before everything else that came out, right? I imagine it was inspired soon after Rogue One. The movie was done. And so it was like, all right, fine, maybe, maybe. So we do all the Ragnarok stuff. And then I'm like, all right guys, go watch Andor. And then I watch Andor. And I suppose that is your 45 minute history. How do we get here? As if the guys listening to this were there for a lot of that. It's like, but hey. For those who weren't, now you know all the context. You're an EFAP historian now. So why don't we do a, instead of left to right or right to left, or jumble it completely? Go metal, fringy rags with me? Or metal? Oh my God. We'll just start with metal. Why not? That seems weird. You're weird. And I'm weird too. What do you think of Andor? Relatively spoiler free. Relatively spoiler free. I think it really showed that it was not made by the same people. I liked a lot of the dialogue. I think the story was fine overall. There's some weird bits and bobs here that seem contrived a little bit. But obviously we were gonna talk about those. I already wanna go into spoilers and stuff, but I don't wanna do that. But yeah, I- Well, we got 10 seconds out of you. It's not bad. It was like, the characters seem to be taking seriously, it seems very deliberate in terms of what they say. When people talk to each other, they sound like they're talking to each other and not at each other, which is always a bonus. Yeah, I did enjoy it. Well, okay. All right, fine. It's all right, because we're all gonna be here for many hours, so. Exactly. Why don't, like I said, I don't really mind which order we go, but just talk about the jumble factor. All right, I'll go. Wait, who was- Sure. Okay, Rags. I'll go. So, Andor is the best thing that has happened to Star Wars in 40 years. It is bizarre to think that we had to sludge through. I'll say, we didn't have to sludge through the prequels, but we got the prequels. We had to sludge through the sequel trilogy. We had to go through two seasons of Mando, a season of Boba Fett, a season of Kenobi, and all of those are either bad to terrible. We got, the only thing even that might approach being all right is it's probably Rogue One, but we got Andor and it is, I think it's really good. I think it is a very solid, good, potentially great, but I'm settled on it being very good right now. It is tonally and just creatively so different than anything else that we've got in a long, long time from Star Wars. This seems like someone had a very clear, creative vision that they wanted to put together. There is a wide cast of characters that are all different and all interesting. You go to interesting places. You talk about interesting things. There's so much here to praise. It's got a few rough spots, undoubtedly, generally with the plot and now some things get to being where they are, but there's so much here of value that I was legitimately shocked at how good it ended up being. We all saw the first three episodes a few months ago and then we got busy with all the other stuff that had happened and just the other day I watched the rest of the nine episodes in a day, essentially just in a straight line and I was really, really enjoying them. It is bizarre to call this Star Wars because it is so seemingly different than anything else we've gotten from Star Wars. I'm very excited for what happens next. I've got my fingers crossed and I'm hoping that people are very receptive to this, that it is successful so that they are encouraged to give this team more time and the money that they need to finish the story and to keep going so we will see how that goes. So those are my quick thoughts on it. All right, those all go next. It may be said more than once as we talk about it, but this is a time where I appreciate everybody's efforts to push me to watch this. I probably wouldn't have seen it, if not for this job slash being told to see it by more so fans this time than creators or trusted friends sort of thing. And I did feel like it should be covered because we are, if nothing else, primarily Star Wars. At least that's what the foundation of EFAP was kind of built on. So it's not, it doesn't cost too much to keep track of Star Wars when it's releasing one sort of thing per year. Like, okay, this is Marvel which can actually get to be and will be overwhelming, especially with how shitty it is. So like, fine, fine, check it out. And I mean, how could I not be utterly thankful for the fact that I was told a story this is sort of like a meme that's said, but it's undeniable in terms of almost category, right? Like the thing we were trying to go over earlier was the sort of nature of Mando, Boba Fett and Kenobi is that there's so little soul in the point that they want to make they're more so dependent on just getting people to watch it and then move on to the next thing. Slash maybe be recycled into watching again, but to be entertained enough fleetingly so that it takes them to the opening credits to the next one. That's all I need to do. Cameos after credit scene, that sort of thing. This is a show that I didn't take super seriously at first then I started paying more and more attention and I was like, oh shit, they've got points to make. Oh, they're doing full shadowing. Oh, they're doing subtext. Holy shit, I forgot. Sorry, I have to put on my, I'm watching. They're changing, developing. I'm watching a story mode, which is very, it's very different, but it's almost the equivalent of what I actually do in terms of turn my brain off. When I turn my brain off, I'm absorbing less and it's not something I do to enjoy. It's something I do when I'm just like trying to pass the time. It's kind of like my approach with something like a Wakanda forever, but at the same time I still need the brain on for recording actual fucking information. I need to be able to actually tell you what the story was and what is working, what isn't working, but like I said, this show earned its attention from me. By the time we hit episode six, my mind had changed from being like this is tolerable to, oh, this is good actually. Then you hit episode 10 and the finale and I was like, well, I am actually looking forward to talking about it because we've got something here that's really solid. There's lots of things I would tweak and change, but this is the kind of, if this was released after the OT, I'd be very curious what Star Wars' reputation would be versus after the prequels, versus after the sequels, versus after all of the shitty shows that came out. Some of the drinker said that I kind of agree with is if only this show had been the first show to release instead of all those other ones, nice and early, get it out and let it sit for a while so weird a mouth can spread it around and then build from there and take your time with the others. So this one can work as a sort of a magnet for those who are just looking for Star Wars content while the other ones can be like, now that you've seen Andor and you know the kind of power we have for storytelling, we are now gonna tell one with Obi-Wan Kenobi. We are now gonna tell him with Boba Fett and you can actually have people be invested through the characters but also be like, oh shit, yeah, I'd love it. Sorry, and you find out like this is made primarily by Tony Gilroy and I've seen his comments about constructing this and let's just say it's a lot more reassuring than the people behind the other shows who are just obviously just trying to make something to pass the time, like rush jobs. So I was quite impressed what that'll mean exactly is gonna be discovered over the next few hours as we talk about it but it was really cool to have actors delivering performances to see dialogue that if you read it several times you might just crack a new meaning after the seventh. Characters, I've brought this up before, they don't respond to the literal sentence, they respond to the subtext of the sentence because they're smart and they know what's happening but one of the things that really hit the fucking spot for me was a competent empire. We find- Oh yes, yes. An empire that's not embarrassing and clowny. They can be scary and they can be intelligent and they can be normal. They can be just a person that you know that made a rational decision. They don't have to be a cartoon clown who falls over after saying kill all the innocent people because it's good to kill innocent people. Absolutely thoroughly refreshing. I can't believe this is coming from Andor, man who died in Rogue One that most people don't even remember. This is his story, so it's like, yeah, that's my take. Fringy, take it away. I really like Andor. It is, I think, yeah, the key word is refreshing. It's like, we got a story here with characters, characters who are well-realized and delivered through great performances. We've got dialogue that's interesting. We've got themes that are running throughout the season that are compelling and explored thoroughly. We have provided a whole bunch of differing perspectives of characters on the status of the world and the empire and how each of those people respond to it. And through those characters, we get to see a bunch of different lenses through which we can examine this conflict, how people respond to something like the empire, matters of self-preservation or principle, pragmatism, like power corrupting people. We get to explore aspects of the Star Wars universe that have felt very much untapped for a long time. We get to go to new planets. We get to see new things that we've never seen before, like new aspects of the empire that we haven't seen before, new ways of life within the Star Wars universe that we haven't been able to see before. And all of it is just realized through leveraging the tools that are available to them, all of the money and talent that they had in order to realize this show with really great cinematography. I really like the soundtrack, like all of the aspects of the production are working towards bolstering what actually exists there, which is like a core. It's got a core, like it's got a story and characters. It has something to say. It has a voice. And it's surprising, right? It's like Andor. Andor, like that guy, yeah, that guy from Rogue One. But it's almost as though because it was Andor and it was this project that's just been there for a while and it wasn't something that got us hyped up for something like The Mandalorian or the Book of Boba Fettel Obi-Wan Kenobi that like the people who are getting to make this show were given the liberty to actually tell a story to like create something that they had an idea for something that they wanted to say and were able to realize it. I really, really like it. It is without a doubt, like far and away the best Star Wars thing that's happened since Disney bought it. Like it's not even close. There's like leagues ahead of everything else that they've made so far. And I'm really, really, really excited to talk about it. Yes, we have. It's been pretty cataclysmic so far. The Disney Star Wars tenure, but now we have Andor and I'm like, I'm super excited to talk about it. I really, really enjoyed it. Well, those without further ado, we probably should then. The format. Something to add because I watched a couple of more episodes before. I really didn't give it a fair shake, I think, when I covered it because I was like in coverage mode basically. I was like, oh, I gotta put that on the list as well. And I guess I didn't really pay attention properly. I don't know. Because I was just like, yeah, it's not bad, but I don't know. I was just, I don't know, I'm not really into this. And then I stopped and then I started watching it again over the week and I was like, oh, I think I didn't give this a fair shake. Well, I've seen plenty of people in the Eve have audience say it's not that good. It's kind of shit. So it'll be interesting to see if maybe we can change some minds or maybe we can discover the truth along the way as to how good it is or how bad it is. Yes, the format will be chronological. We'll go through and pick on sort of the more, they juicier segments as we approach, but tell the story broadly. Hopefully provide enough context for those who haven't seen it to follow while also breaking things down. Probably gonna be a long one. And as I said, Merry Christmas. For those who listening to this on the day of Crombonius who maybe don't have a place to go or people to talk to, they're just- Happy birthday, Jesus. Yeah, good boy. You did it. What'd you guys get him? A fish and bread. I've heard he can multiply them pretty well or at least fit them into that. They're not supreme. Yeah, I don't know. I guess we'll just get started with the, what do you think of the intro? The intro itself, the opening title screen. It's confusing and I'll explain. So the intro confused me because here we are after all that sludge we've been talking about, and then we have this intro and I'm like, wait, wait a second, what's going on? What's happening? You have like a nice, nicely paced, little developing mini story about this Andor guy and then there's the alleyway sequence and the group and it's like, no, no, no, no. Something's wrong here. The tone is like it has one and the direction like it has it. And there are very clear artistic decisions that are being, shall we say, made. So I was very confused. It just, it's like something in my brain was like, are you sure you're watching the right show? This is Disney Star Wars. And yet here we are on this weird, almost Blade Runner-esque slowly-ish paced, yet somewhat tense kind of setup. It was very strange and I really liked it kind of from the get go. Yeah, we were already just like, wait, what? What are we dealing with? What's happening? This is one of these things because we watched those together, right? So the first three episodes and it was one of the scenarios where we didn't really talk a lot about it because it was just, you know, enjoying the episode. It's like, oh, this is cool. This is happening. This is a nice little tone. And it wasn't really anything. It's like, oh, look, he just fell down and broke his kneecaps or something. I don't know. So yeah, it was very- It had a lot to make up for because of his predecessors. There's a lot of just, I was gonna say bad faith, but maybe it's just reasonable. It's like a lot of assumption of, you've been delivering lots of poo to me. Now I've got this box. I assume there's poo in it, but it's a nice box. And you're what? I'm not a fan of poo, so. No. Not even mine. But yeah, it's, dare I say, subtle and simple. I was like, okay. Alrighty then, let's see what you got. Okay. Summary is he's looking for his sister, Mr. Andor, on Molana One, a pre-ox Molana corporate zone in BBY5. I remember reading all that and being like, I ain't gonna remember this shit, whatever. It's no way. It's funny because all of it will be relevant and worth remembering in terms of just allowing yourself to piece together everything. But again, you've got it in it, I think, from the audience. Why should I care about anything you tell me when you don't care about it? And it's funny because it has to like, I can imagine the creators of this show being like, why do I have to deal with all the baggage of these other shitty shows? It's like, because you're part of that IP, man. I don't know. Sorry. Yeah, he tries to find it and while looking for it, clearly annoys two other off-duty patrolmen who were there. And it looks like they have a sense of regularity with essentially bullying people to some degree. They just get a bit of fun out of it, excise their power beyond its typical limits for the fun of it. And they sort of chase after him because he's sort of smart talks to him a little bit, doesn't just submit and they get thrown off by the girl he's talking to. He's just there to find information. Yeah. But he kind of accidentally pisses them off a little bit by being a bit of a rebel, you could say. What? Yeah, he gets chased out and there's this cool sort of approach to delivering this information where we're just with him, hammer-facing him as he's walking forward it, but then they call for him several times. And you get like, I think it's like a two-minute shot of it's all just his face. Just focus on his reaction, yeah. All of the guys who are approaching him are sort of bled out and they come in a bit more into focus, but we are very honed in on how and or is reacting to this situation. Yeah, he's basically trying to ignore it if I recall correctly, right? He's just like, I don't want any trouble, really. I'm just... Well, I think he's thinking, oh, fuck, what am I gonna do? Like they're coming, they're this way. Am I gonna run? Do I make a scene? Do I, you know, what do I do? Do I try and play it easy? Do I just hope that they're nice or you just, he's just thinking, what am I gonna do? You see, you could tell he's nervous and on edge. And he's like, oh, fuck, what I do. It's essentially a robbery, but it's like, you could call it official robbery. Like they basically tell him like, you're gonna probably be fine. Oh, so tax is then, Mahler. I know how you are. Oh. They're gonna wanna hit him for a fine for where he may have parked his car. I think they're guessing at where he may have parked it and it would be a fine if he has got it. He's heading toward that area. So basically just an assumption on maybe a thing he did that would incur a fine. And he says like, listen, I've got like 300 credits in my pocket or something. And they're like, oh good, that's exactly what it costs. Yeah. Like that's what it, I think there is. Yet another plot contrivance. Oh, I can't believe it. I'd say that's exactly what they're going for though, is that this is absolutely bullying and stealing, but done in a way that's being hidden up and dressed up as official and government legal. Like it's a, and these guys feel powerful and right doing it. Yeah. It's power without the responsibility of authority, which is something you will. And they get nice and close to get the money, but one of them gets head butted. The other one in a fist fight until he loses the gun. And Cassian finds the one he head butted, either from the headbutt alone or he hit his head on the floor on his way down, but he's dead. On the floor, yeah. Yeah. Which can happen. It's not unheard of. In fact, it's, Absolutely. It's funny how much you see people get very hardcore punched in the face without more lethal results. Yeah. And then there's this super interesting thing happens of the remaining guy goes from being pissed and fucking angry, you killed him, you hit him, you psycho, like what the fuck? And then gradually like, you know, this is fine actually. Don't worry about it. You know, this can all go away. Cause he's realizing straight away the smartest thing for Cass to do now is to kill him too. Yeah. And he realized that and he's suddenly like, Hey, we can just go there. We can talk about as though it was an accident, just the thing that got out of control. Don't, don't worry about it. Begging for his life. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And we're like, Holy shit. Is Star Wars doing this? Are we doing this in Star Wars? Is this happening? Well, no, it reminded me immediately of one of the things that impressed me about Rogue One when you first watched it. If you guys remember, he's, he's meeting a contact at the beginning. Stormtroopers find out where their location is. They've been, they've been discovered and they're heading toward them. And the guy he's with has like a bad leg and so he just shoots him. Like, and then runs away himself. Like the idea being that, you know too much about me. So if I kill you and get out of here, instead of you getting captured and me getting out of here, then I'm better off. The idea of, again, Rogue One, I think initially it didn't end up this way. It was supposed to be about all of the grays of Star Wars morality because Star Wars is oftentimes black, but it's white in terms of very obviously who the good and bad guys are. Yeah. But then, you know, this approach is much more, and it's the same for the Andor show. It's like, was what cast did here a good thing? It's like, it's kind of hard to say. It's not, it's kind of what he had to do. Those guys were assholes. It's like, yes, but you execute the guy for what he did? It's like, oh, I don't know, man. Like, you know, he gets out of there and this sort of moment is basically the reason for the whole season to happen the way that it does. Yep. Pretty much. Yeah. And just a really solid start for atmosphere and I guess character, and it felt very serious. Like, we haven't gotten this in some time. Everything's always so goofy, whether it be deliberate or accidental in Star Wars. Like, the stupid multi-colored bicycle things or the guy who does his 360 flip before shooting, or it's really hard to take any of this seriously. But when you see a guy in like a dark, raining sci-fi world getting robbed, and then he unintentionally kills one of the robbers and then has to execute the other one to save himself from authorities. It's like, damn, Star Wars, what are you doing, man? What are you doing? Pretty serious. Are you able to keep that up, Star Wars? What are we doing? Are you baiting me? Are you trying to bamboozle me? Which pushes us on to, well, he goes home, which is Farix. Is the planet Farix or is it the town? They don't. It might say so in a subtitle whenever you, whenever the scene goes there early on. I think the planet is Farix. Molana system, free trade sector. But I guess that's in terms of the galaxy, not even the... Yeah. It's the Star Wars thing of the name of the planet is this one town that you only visit. Yeah. Always strange, a little bit confusing, but it's already neat that... It's funny, one of the criticisms the Rogue One had, I don't know if you guys remember this, was that we went to like six planets in 10 minutes or something. So it got confusing, but it was still... Where are we? Help. It's still a better problem to have than... Oh, Tatooine. Oh, Tatooine. Oh, Tatooine. Here you go, Tatooine. Oh, Tatooine. Yeah. Oh, can we go to Tatooine next? One more tap it on Tatooine today. In a matter of 10 minutes, we got us two new planets with two distinct looks. And I'm like, oh, it already feels more creative, more free from the bounds of typical Star Wars production where I'm just waiting for that Tatooine set to show up, that one street. It always shows up. Come on, give me. I know you want to do it. Just get it over with. Show me that dusty street. Show it to me. Do it. And yeah, so Cas spends all of episode one basically getting everything in position so that he can successfully lie, basically. He's gonna have to get everything in place. He needs an alibi, he needs to hide any evidence. He needs to move himself around in different ways, shapes and forms. And we get introduced to E2, I think is the name of the robot, right? Yes, yes. And he's a fun, cute, interesting sort of thing. It's the kind of thing you get from Star Wars. He's not dissimilar from an R2-D2 type, but dare I say, he's like R2-D2 with less courage. Yeah, probably. He's like a little, hey, what's up? Yeah. He's more scared about everything. Yeah. And also a bit rugged. Yeah, he's also all the way. Not super efficient, lagging and stuttering a lot. Yeah. And yeah, and the robot says, Marvel said you are out ruining your life. You know, the kind of dialogue that you know that once you've seen the whole show, it'll make a hell of a lot more sense. When you first watch this, you're just like, who the fuck is that? Who are you? Why are you talking to him? Where is this? What's happening? It's just funny to think, because in retrospect now that I'm so familiar with the worlds and the characters, it all makes much more sense. Whereas on my first time through, I probably would have ignored most of this. But apparently it takes more energy for robots to lie than it does to tell the truth. Certainly this one, that's interesting. Which is like, it's kind of true in terms of, it is true for humans, right? It's more difficult to maintain lies than it is to tell the truth because the truth is just remember as things has happened instead of remember how you told them. But it's just, it makes a significant difference to the robot to the point of actually drawing out power. And he says, I have adequate power reserves for lies. Yeah, this idea that lying requires a sort of impromptu creativity that requires more processing power maybe, so you have to, you know, overclock your brain a little bit. Register a fact that overrides an actual fact in the banks or whatever, I don't know. But either way, he says, I only need you to tell him one lie. Just don't tell anybody you saw me and don't tell anybody you know where I am. And the robot just goes, that's two lies. That's all it's about. So like, I gotta tell two, geez. Yeah, and then they start up flashbacks, which I think what we'll do for the sake of this is we'll talk about the flashbacks as a whole once we hit the end of episode three. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. All right, yeah, yeah. I guess to light out for viewers, there is a string of flashbacks that occur throughout the first three episodes that are showing Andor's life on his home planet, not Pharris, but where he actually lived. It's his origin story. Yeah, essentially his origin story for how, you know, like, and that like gets scattered throughout the first three episodes. But yeah, it probably makes more sense to take it all as a whole later. Mm-hmm. So he heads over to his place of work and immediately gets to a friend and starts explaining what his alibi's going to be. Yeah, and like the conversation immediately starts with him, just like laying out a set of events of like, oh, this is what happened last night. And of course his big buddy immediately picks up like, so what's happened? Like something's happened. What's up? Yeah. And it's done in a way of the buddy just starts adding onto the story to make it more believable and even asking how he got a wound as well. It's a really cool way of showing chemistry. It's very nice. They're those guys, buddies, and they're helping each other out. And something that was really neat as well is that Brasso when he gets up on like the transport vehicle calls out, like very loudly state something that has to do with the alibi as well, just to, you know, a bit more firmly establish it. And it's like, that's neat. That's cool. You can immediately tell that they are close and they look out for each other. And this before. Yeah, and this is kind of already giving us an impression when we're watching like, oh, you're like a real bit of writing. You're like a real story. You don't have them like, hey, best friends, how are you doing today? Do you remember? This is a closer scrape than that gun fight on Sargasso 9, it sure was. Hey, let us step on this memory machine now and look at our memories. I can't believe I saved you. Actually, if I recall correctly, I saved you. Oh, you. We are joking, but in a felony thing, I would absolutely expect him to have introduced him as like, man, it feels like I haven't seen my best friend in so long, even though it's only been a couple of days, huh? And it's like, yeah, we consider how far we go back. It would be weird for us to have spent a day apart. Yeah, hard to believe that his name is Jim Davis. Yeah, I can't believe he has a name. Yeah, and then it would be really simple. Like, I need you to tell me and to understand an alibi. Here is my note of all of the story. Revise it and make it the alibi. Yes, I will do that for you friend. Like, it would just be that simple. And you're like, okay. But they achieve what they're going for while also giving us information that's not explicit. It's just like neat, good job. And then we get the scene, I think that all of us when we first watched this, we were like, all right, what's going on here? Like, it is the corporate securities reaction to the two dead members of the Corpo team. The introduction of Cyril. Cyril and his superior, yes. And this scene changes everything for me in terms of like, all right, I'm listening. Yeah, I don't hear. Oh shit, you're showing me their response? Three scenes is a pattern. All right. I think it would be that the fact that the scene itself even exists is something, but the way that the scene plays out is kind of like, okay, sure, hmm, what are you up to? What are you up to? What are you doing? Cyril is like, he's a security guard, man, essentially. That's why I just keep calling him, but we'll try and call him Cyril because it's much more easy to keep track of him. He speaks really well, stands straight and tall. He tailors his uniform personally and he seems incredibly on board and respectful to his superior despite the superior that seemed like he doesn't give a single shit about this sort of event. Well, yeah, his superior is comparatively pretty shaggy. Like his uniform isn't ironed, it's kind of desaturated. It's, he's much more laxadaisical in the way that he holds himself. Even before our conversation really begins and we get to understand what's happening in this scene. But you already do kind of understand what's happening in the scene. It's all conveyed through all these little touches. It's even the fact that Cyril, he is holding himself well, but he feels a little bit awkward. Just a little bit like, it feels like you're trying really hard to be like this. So like Stan, you know, back straight held up. Like it seems like you're exerting a lot of effort to make that happen. And then as the scene progresses, we see that kind of fault, you know, sort of waiver a little bit at times. Like kind of kind of the, I don't know if I want to say facade, but like whatever he's trying to do right now, it's difficult for him to maintain. Yeah. He's trying to project a particular image that he has not fully become in any way shape or form. No. Really, he's what he wants to be. Yeah. He also like took care of his like uniform and made some modifications and stuff too. So it looks much neater than everyone else's as well. Like he's a bit brighter as well. Yeah. He's trying. He's probably just cleaning his uniform. The others don't. He says, two men are dead, sir. If that's not worth standing up for, then I'm not worthy of wearing this uniform. Like he's like, oh, this isn't, you know, I feel like I'm jumping the gut a little bit, but it's just like, so he cares because of lost life. Interesting. What in Star Wars? And you might be like, is he part of the empire? It's like, yes. He is technically a part of the empire. And he's saying his motivation is to, you know, get some form of justice for two men who were murdered. Like, huh. And the conversation is super interesting. His superior says, I want you to conjure an accident, get it outside the leisure zone. Because basically we need to find a way of dampening this as much as possible as an event. And his response is like, they were murdered. And he says, they died in a fight, went on the job. Clearly they chose the wrong person to annoy. Hell, people, they died being helpful, sad, but inspiring. You know, not too inspiring. Yeah, not too inspiring. And he says, you look stricken. I'm going to an Imperial Regional Command Review. I'll be asked to make a report about our crime rates and the goal of that speech, if you're ever asked to deliver it, is brevity. Which is super, super cool. He's basically explaining like, it makes everything easier for us, the less crime I have to report. And the less crime I have to report is determined by us taking crime, basically converting it into something that doesn't really matter. And to be honest with you, he's saying like, there's not going to be much repercussion from this. They pissed off someone who killed them. This isn't like some grand scheme or anything. This is obviously just something that went wrong. So there's no need to make ripples, just move on. That's it, done. Minimizing the time the Empire spends thinking about pre-Ox Morgana benefits our superiors and by extension, everyone here, which at the moment includes you. Yeah, at the moment. Which feels like a threat. Yeah, I know, yeah. Yeah, that's true. We were rocking the boat. He would have said, don't rock the boat or I'll fire you. Yeah. But I mean, it's something that's worth emphasizing. Something that, the galaxies are, they're quite big. I imagine that the galaxy that Star Wars is set and is no different. To actually establish that the Empire doesn't have like a physical presence everywhere and that there are like contractors, private companies that are responsible for overseeing certain areas of the galaxy. That's really like neat as a detail. It just makes this world feel more believable and it makes it feel all the more interesting that there is a level of apathy and complacency and trying to fly under the radar and not draw too much attention to oneself like in that bureaucracy. And that the guy who's in charge of this company, Primoire, I believe it's called, he kind of understands that really well and Cyril is less motivated by that. Like it informs a lot less of what he chooses to do. Like clearly, pretty evidently in this scene. It's kind of a, what I find super neat about it as well is that it's super representative of just normal jobs. A new guy comes in and he's super like enticed and energetic to do well at the job but you meet this superior or even, could be a lower level person. It's just like, dude, calm down, calm down. Everything works a particular way here, okay? Everything runs, ABCD, there's none of this crazy by the book or extended extensive passionate moves in this way or that way. It's like, you don't understand the goals you have and probably more likely serves in the long run by doing the things I'm telling you to do even though they don't seem like they are. Because he's basically warning through what he says of how much worse things could get if you make too much noise with stuff like this. Whatever exactly he means in terms of how that could turn out, maybe we'll find out in future but Cyril is clearly unsatisfied. It was a, yeah, it was super solid as an introduction to empire operations or at least the lower levels of security in lower level sectors. It's just like, this is cool. I wasn't even expecting to get a scene for them. And no, not at all. This is also the, it'll happen more and more as we move forwards but this is kind of that initial setup of this is Star Wars. The empire is around. You might not see them. You might not be walking around and just being visible but there is this sort of this kind of atmosphere of being wary of the empire. It's kind of like this, like a tense vibe whenever they're spoken about, which I really quite liked. They don't just go, Stormtrooper, Stormtrooper, tie fighter, here you go. Oh my gosh, good, Star Destroyer. Ah, it's the Palpatine look, brother of lightsaber. No, no, no. Everyone's like, yep, we know who the empire is. We don't want to mess around with them. We don't want to get attention. Just, mm. Yes. Then Cass heads to Bix, friend of his. She helps him sell off different parts he may steal or choir through whatever means. And he's asking now, can I sell something, basically the best thing I've ever gotten. He's clearly kept it for like a rainy day sort of thing. And it's like, I want to sell it now so I can have enough money to get off world because I'm in trouble. And so she says there'll be a contact that she can try to get for this. That's that scene, basically. She seems like, I don't have a lot to say about Bix's introduction. She's very normal. She's a character that exists here and does stuff. She's like a mechanic who spots out. She's like a connection to other people. So yeah, next up, I think we go back to Cyril, actually. It's not long before you realize he's basically a big POV character. Well, the next thing that we're doing is we've got like a real close up on him. As he's standing outside of a door, beyond the room in a hallway, he looks very nervous. Like he looks uneasy. This is a couple of guys. It's like, hey, how are you doing? And he's like, yeah, I'm fine, but obviously he's not. It's kind of like he's getting ready to amp himself up because as soon as he walks into the room, his demeanor shifts into a more assertive time. He's exerting authority properly and he's trying to big himself up, yeah, because he's gotta get these guys in line depending on if they're doing the things that he wants or not, and it's gonna be, it almost comes across as though, he has to hope they don't realize there's a little bit of this cracks in his demeanor. He could be overthrown if they knew more about him, but he's like, can hide that just by behaving strong enough, right? Which is just something like, why do you even, why is this being dealt with? It's like, yeah, cause he's a person. That's why, like, we're getting, there's a character behind, he's running plot, right? For the sort of antagonistic side of Cassian overall, but we're also being delivered. This is a person that's behind it with goals and, you know, intentions that go beyond just serving the empire. He serves it for four reasons and you gotta deal with his own flaws. And so, yeah, he gets in there and he's trying to figure out through the ship that Cassian left on where it ended up. And to do that, they're gonna have to trace like all of the, think of it as like a traffic cam. He wants the guy to basically search and find exactly where that ship went. And he was like, that's gonna take me fucking for ages. And he's like, do you want to keep your job? He's just like, okay. Yeah, I can just do it, you know, get it done. And he says, I don't know what's more disturbing. The fact that our corporate borders are so unprotected or your complacence about it. Mm-hmm. Solid lines. You're like, oh, shit. Cause yeah, Cyril is not aware of all of these different pieces of their insecurity, but they're all so lax. They just like, mm. Nobody really cares. Everybody's apathetic about it. Yeah. Yeah. There's that sense of, yeah, just general apathy. Just a job. Yeah, a guy called Duchy walks up to Caspid. Like, I need the money you owe me. It's just kind of like, I guess it's a bit of comic relief because this is just a comically large alien that walks up behind him and Caspid's like, really? Seriously? And he's like, what? Like, the idea is like, how? Just tell me to stand here. I don't even know what's going on. Are you that desperate for money that you like gonna be this guy's muscle? But yeah, of course, just the point of that, I assume is to just show us that there's lots of pressures on Cassian outside of the big one covering up all this shit that's happened. Yeah. Yeah, then we find that Bix has a friend in a different area of town that she makes contact with that has a machine in his back area that sends signals to the buyer. This, for now, is only as interesting as to sell the piece that Cass has, but obviously it's going to become more relevant as to what the point of that machine is. And how it got there as we go on. So then, yeah, back to Cyril, and he's still trying to engage with the work of this system. And he's dealing with loads of really low level workers who will have access to information. Even before he enters the room, they're talking about overtime and whether or not they're gonna get more and whether or not the person that would engage with it can pay, can actually properly authorize it. Which I don't know about you guys, just that's so familiar to me from back when I was working in retail as a normal conversation. It's like, yes, overtime is on the table, but he can authorize it, right? Like I'm not gonna do overtime and not get paid for anything. That is what the concern is. It's not about doing the job because nobody fucking cares. But Cyril does, that's kind of the point. He's like, what the fuck? Why isn't everybody more passionate about the justice of finding this guy, of making up for the two who died? He says, we're talking about the murder of two pre-more employees and everyone's like, okay. It's like, I didn't know him, whatever, I don't care. It's just, yeah, it's an everyday thing and yeah, he's almost like a monkey wrench at this point even though he's trying to do his job properly. And yeah, he tells them that you need to flood all the channels with a request for a canary mail which is information they've gathered as a result of him looking for his sister who he's described as being canary. So that's how that would have gone out. Yeah, we see Cass is switching out his chip log for his own, the ship he used, which doesn't belong to him, he borrowed it off someone else and that guy's like, what the fuck are you doing? And he's like, oh, you know, just switching it out. It's old. It's like, yeah, it's got nothing to do with it being traced or anything. Which again, I appreciate that all the scenes with Cass in the first episode are just all him making strong efforts to get his alibi and all of his tech in order to scrub as much as he possibly can from the coming storm of having killed two people. Yeah, he's been doing, clearly been doing shady stuff in the past. He's been, this is not new. He's not figuring out how to do all this stuff just now. It's something that he's probably had as a backup plan just in case, you know, this is his panic procedure. Well, it's something that we get that's cool in terms of the differing pair of ages. We've kind of got like three different reactions to him. So with Brasso, it's just like, yeah, I'll help you out buddy, no problem. When he's talking to Bix, it's more like, what do you, what happened? Like what are you getting up to? It's like, yeah, but you can do this for me, right? Like you're gonna do this. It's like, okay, but like, I'm kind of like, what'd you actually do? Like I'm kind of wondering. And then this fella here is just like, dude, what the hell are you doing? Like I don't wanna, like it's, the tone with this guy in particular is like, you're drawing attention. Like I don't, like I don't want that. Like whatever you're doing, like I'm done. I don't want you to be doing this. Like you're gonna get me in trouble. Like it's kind of that sense. You're gonna get me in trouble and I don't wanna, I don't want that to happen because the consequences could be significant. It's kind of like this looming specter, right? The empire, even though it's not even here, right? It's not even on a ferris like directly, but everybody's still kind of, it's kind of like, you know, there's, yeah. There's like that looming dread of, I could get in trouble and I don't want that to happen because of what the empire is. Just the dread of them coming here is like something to be afraid of. You get a pretty good understanding of the empire being threatening to all these people here right now and they don't want to be dealing with them because that's just trouble and gonna make them, I don't know, less money and probably gonna do some shenanigans. You could feel like the fist pushing down on this whole, all of ferrics basically. Like everyone is kind of looking out for themselves. They don't want to get any trouble. What I like about it in this case is that the empire aren't here. There aren't any stormtroopers walking around. There aren't even any like pre-more security guys walking around. Like there's no overt like presence on ferrics of the empire, but it doesn't need to be. It's kind of like the nature of what the empire has to do to maintain control is to project its influence across the galaxy. That doesn't mean the stormtroopers walking around everywhere. It's just more subtle. It's indicative of just being more, a more well thought out scenario. And yeah, fun enough with the way that we're breaking this up. We're actually onto episode two now because the flashbacks make up some of the rest. And then of course, we're not going into hyper detail, but there are 12 episodes. So anyway, and as far as I'm concerned, they become more dense as we go on. Yeah, of course. So we get, again, there's still flashback scenes we're sort of running over, but we get, I don't even know how to put it. It's like the bell man or just Anvil man. Anvil man, he's loving his job. He loves his job so much, yeah. Well, I think I'm wondering if I'm pulling more meaning out of it than it's actually there, but I kind of feel like given the show a bit more credit. The impression I get with him having like this routine and this rhythm he goes through that he's like very into is like trying to pull some level of satisfaction out of like a mundane situation to try and find like some sort of joy or fulfillment wherever he can, even if it's as simple as I'm gonna strike the thing to make the bell chime so that everybody knows that it's time to go to work. The like in this sort of oppressive world where it feels like everybody is a lot more restricted, he's just gonna find an opportunity where he can to pull something out of it. I might be reading into it more than that. It might just be that he is a guy who rings the bell and he just, I don't know, he enjoys it. But I don't know, that was kind of the impression I got. Probably feel pretty important being up there, you know. Well, they do, they mean to show like they keep intercutting him with all the characters doing their end of shift stuff. Yeah, it seems almost ceremonial. The implication being that they do actually listen out for him. Yes, yeah. That's not, Jim's not up there just cause we need, you know, he's getting some do, make him feel like he's, you know, helpful, yeah. So, Cass meets up with his mom, Marva, who, I was saying this to Rags, I remember the actress basically only playing the auntie in Harry Potter. You got the auntie and uncle, I've even forgotten their names, like I used to know Harry Potter a bit better, but they like absurd caricatures of people, right? They're the Hogwarts, yes. What I really remember is, doesn't the uncle eat a cake and get really fat at one point, or is that some other woman? That's just a normal way to get fat, Mahler. I said really, so like more than that. Oh, really fat, okay. Really fat. I think that's fake fat. They get so fat, they like float up into the, do they actually float outside the room and float up into the air? Cause I remember being that terrifying. Is that why I remember that scene? Cause if it's like a spell that Harry accidentally casts or Dobby casts it and they get so fat, they start to just fly and they go up into the air and it's like, Jesus Christ. So either they just keep rising and they die or they deflate and they die. Anyway, we'll come, you know what, that's foreshadowing for the eventual E-Fat movies, Harry Potter that'll probably happen some day. Why not? Anyway, she plays the auntie, I forget the actress's name, but when she pops up with this, it's just like, oh look, it's here, I guess. She, among several, impressed me thoroughly with their acting. Yes, she was great. Absolutely great, especially by the end of the season. Oh, what a great addition to the cast. Absolutely by the end of the season. I guess we haven't talked about it all that much, but just so far across the board, acting's been really good, kind of from everybody. Really good. Well, the thing is that some of the, like it has been and we haven't met some major PRV characters yet who deliver some really excellent performances. Oh, very much so. Well, that's the thing, right? We haven't introduced like 70% of the cast still. No, we're very focused on Andor right now. And in fact, it's, I'd say that like, because the show could be described as in some sense an ensemble cast, but like these first three episodes are hyper focused on Andor. Yeah. He walks in and it's announced through the droids like this, this searching for a Canary male, which he's from Canary. And so the mum is already like. But no, it's much more than that. It's a secret. Yeah, it's supposed to be a secret. So she says, who else knows? Says about what? Like you're born on Canary and he says, well, you don't want to know what happened obviously because they're searching for a Canary male being him. So what did he do wrong? That's the question. He doesn't care about that. She wants to know who sold him out, basically. He's business first. Yeah, right, right, right. Well, to me, it's not even it's it's the she is this isn't even ordinary. She's like died in the wall rebel type. She couldn't give if the empire versus anyone, if that scenario is coming up, she'll take their side. So she doesn't care what he did wrong, so to speak, with the authorities going after him. She doesn't. She couldn't care less what he fucking did. She just wants to know how they managed to find that information and who we can't trust. Who is the one that gave you up? Who's the one that told you about Canary? And what you did won't change. Yeah, what you did. Who fucking cares? And yeah, he does say, like, don't you want to know what happened? She said, yeah, we'll get to that. And because like, yeah, we'll talk about it, but it's much more important to get that sorted. So he says, like, you've told plenty of people and she's like, yeah, family. Who told these pre more bastards about Canary? And he says, that would be me. And then she's just like, what have you done? Like, because it's, yeah, it's his mistake that he made in approaching looking for a sister. It's as simple as that. So yeah, just through the lack of information being given back and forth to each other, we get loads of information. It's almost one of the best ways to describe how subtext works. It's like, we understand how much she cares about him and the nature of his history being hidden, because we've already had several flashbacks at this point, which we will go over. That inform a lot of it and that she's aware of it. He's aware of it, obviously. And we've got knowing about that narrows down being able to find him. So it's interesting. And yes, he meets with Bix again, but her boyfriend is starting to get a little more on the up and up, trying to figure out what's going on. And that might be the first place I can start being a little bit more critical now that we've established more things. He's keeping an eye on them to having a conversation. And he eventually decides to report Cassian in. He tells the security people where Cassian is. And I don't think it's bad enough to do this. I think we may as well just skip forward. You find this out, I want to say in episode seven, I think, that his motivation for doing this is that he thought those two were getting back together. Yeah. That's really lame. That is really lame. I'm not even sure it makes much sense to bring down the security of this hard on this area with his awareness of how much you don't want to do that. It seems a bit hard, right? That it would be, if it was like a better motivation would be he thought he was going to get her in trouble. Exactly. So he wanted to prevent her from getting in trouble. All he had to do was make Andor an established troublemaker that this isn't the first time he's fucked up her life or something or other people's lives. And him finding out you killed two people, it's like this guy has to go away. He's serious, like he's a, maybe he can say like he believes somewhat injustice and that this is like we can't keep helping him get out of these insane situations. Like this is enough. But no, apparently he really was just kind of jealous. And he was like, you guys are hooking back up. But that's no fair. I'm going to even show him with alcohol, I guess, to try and help us understand why he made the decision. Yeah. Lame, but fine. So yeah, the security people told it could be Cassian Andor. And they're like, Cassian Andor, let's have a look at him and they get him up and then they've grabbed the girl from who Cass talked to in the first episode about his sister. So that's it. He's done at that point because you can combine the verification and Cyril is onto him, basically. Simple as that. And a few days. Yes, Cyril did good work. He's pretty good at this. Yeah. Though I guess you could say a lot of it was helped by boyfriend giving him that information. Sure. But I mean, you know, that's true. But I mean, never the less. Well, Cyril's done everything as best he can still. Yeah. It just all lines up well. He's being very competent. He's being the C word. Oh my God. I think it's at all awkward that Bix then comes to boyfriend guy and is like, hey, wanna hook up and do thing? And then he's like, yeah, let's do it. When he knows at that point that she would fucking never be doing any of this with him if she knew what he had done. Yeah. A little bit awkward, right? It's awkward, but I mean, it's totally believable that a guy would do that. I didn't say it's not. Actually, I'm not a fan of this guy is kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah. You can tell they show shots of him looking conflicted but it's like, my dude, you've done something pretty horrendous. It's not even something that would necessarily remain super secret. Well, he gives it up anyway as information. It's just that, yeah. But anyway, we get another Chad character introduced. I'll defend him to my very death, okay? His name is Linus Mosk. Yes, of course. And he is a pretty solid reflection of Cyril. He's the security man that's been brought in to organize the team that Cyril's gonna be using to capture Cassian. Man, he's just, he's very, he's well groomed, well dressed and very much on board with this to the point where Cyril gives him a couple questions and he actually starts giving a description of how he thinks things should run. And Cyril is like almost inspired by him explaining his motivation. Yeah. Like proud to be part of sort of justice and informity and running with like a clean and startling precision sort of thing. And he's looking to impress as well. Like I would say he's hilariously competent. It's, I can't believe I'm watching this. Like it's like people who- It's really weird. The things are the same word. I remember me- She's wrong. Actually losing my shit when they were like, okay, we need to capture one guy and we believe him to be dangerous because he killed two people but obviously he's gonna be in civilian mode. How many men do we need? Now if you roll back to the sequel trilogy where they send like fucking three stormtroopers after Jedi and stuff, like Mosk says we're gonna be conducting this with 12 men. Like, excellent. Like, you might actually get the person you're after with that. But yeah, he said show a force to boost morale. Nothing like seeing an officer on the line. Hats off to you sir and the inspector. Two men dead in the line of duty. Colleagues outrageous. And he says exactly the thought of anything less in a case like this is unconscionable. The dereliction of duty at the minimum. I've seen it half measures. Take it slow, wait and see. It's a plague on discipline. Facing your man yourself for the rest of your life knowing you did less than everything you possibly could. I've been saying this all along. We've needed a stronger hand in these affiliated planets. There's fermenting out there sir. Corporate tactical forces of the empire's first line of defense and the best way to keep the blade sharp is to use it. So thank you. So good. Just, you understand? Like he's a person that believes that like things will fall apart if we don't actually keep the laws in place when we enforce them. And then, you know, like this is the complication that the story starts to generate is that our Cyril and Linus, are they good people or bad people? Yeah. They let that open. Yeah, exactly. That's why I wasn't saying anything. The permeating question. Is it good people in a bad organization or people just trying to get by or are they just caught up in all this madness? Already they're really getting you to think because, I mean, after all, you did kill two people, you know. That's what I mean. And it feels like the show is coming through on the promises of Rogue One. Like there is a lot of gray here exactly what the answers are is a little bit more complicated. By the way, I'm not against stories having strict good and bad guys. I'm a fan of He-Man versus Skeletor like anyone else. But I'm also. He-Man killed two of my security guards. He must find him. Kill him. They were in my way. But yeah, then actually, I think after the next flashback, we got introduced to Stellan Skarsgard's Luthan. Yo. Yay. Yeah, this is Luthan. Stuff like this is unironically the reason where I'm like, oh, thank goodness. Especially on a sort of first run through, I'm like an actor I really enjoy. I don't even care what they do as long as I get to see them talk. This would be equivalent. There's so many actors that fulfill this role. If this guy was played by Charles Danse, I'd be like, yeah, don't really care what you do. Just do things. Just talk. He's quite a favorite at this point. He pops up in lots of things and whenever he does, he's really good. He's just, there's a reason why everyone wants him and stuff, fucking solid ass actor. Very talented as we will. If you didn't know it before, you will soon. Oh, yeah. So then we meet a guy called Zanuan, I think, or Zanuan. He's a, for lack of my understanding of the situation, he like organizes transport, I think, for Ferrics. And he's a friend of Cass's as well. To be fair, mostly everybody is a friend of everybody here. This is a tight, pretty tight knit community that will come up later as a big thing. Yeah, makes a lot of sense. And Cass is asking him to transport something without, I think he says irrelevant of weight, irrelevant of name and tag. Basically make it a huge smuggling secret and the more you do that, the more it costs. He's getting that in order as well. Yeah, and then we cut over to Cyril organizing with Linus, the men for when they launch on Ferrics. And it's a really cool sort of comparison, right? Linus says, he may not appear formidable, but two of our men are dead as a result of making that mistake. Remind the local and amused residents that there is a monthly opportunity for them to file official complaints if they have issue with us going through the streets. And then he says, all yours too. So he provided just useful information. And then he's like, now it's time for you, Cyril, to give us the sort of rousing speech. And so Cyril awkwardly steps forward and he's like, there comes a time when the risk of doing nothing becomes the greatest risk of all. This is a decisive moment. And I can imagine, can't imagine a team I'd rather share it with than all of you. There's no room for doubt on the path to success. And justice, best of luck to us all. Yeah, so he's not very good at this. Yeah, and they shoot it so that like several guys are sort of looking around, looking down, sort of awkwardly swaying from back and forth, just like, what the fuck is this? And then so many gaps in us. And the funny thing is, I think I brought this up when he was first discussed on one of the open bars, but like the speech itself is pretty solid. Yeah, but the way he... It's just the way he delivered it, yeah. Yeah, delivery is just... It makes sense, he would know what to say, you know, but how to say it. Yeah, he's not there. And you can tell that Linus notices in the background, he's just keeping an eye on him, like, what the fuck are you doing, man? Like, if anything, this is going to damage things. And like the speech ends, this is pause, and then Linus just starts clapping like, yeah! Yeah, woohoo, sweet, we're doing it. All set, inspiring. Yeah, he's just such a fucking hype, dude. Like, he's trying to keep a... He's a bro. Yeah, you can't help but assume this, because yeah, he sees that Cyril believes in the same sort of values, it's just that he's not quite suited for the job. And you know, this is the thing, right? Like, when you get this much information on a character like Cyril, we're all sitting here sort of like, wait, is this going to be... You wonder, maybe by the time we hit the end of... I think this... Is it three seasons in total for Andor this planned? I think it is. Well, if it's three, you imagine that by the end of season three, if Cyril is still alive or whatever's going on with him, that he's going to be very different from the Cyril we know now. Ah, yes. Oh, yeah, he is. He seems like the character to pick for giving a significant arc. We'll change him up. Yeah, he's probably going to get like, competent and finds his mojo and whatnot. It's going to be great. Luthan takes a transport to get from the outskirts of barracks into the main town, and there's just this little grandpa dude that starts talking to him. Yeah. It's kind of interesting to watch in retrospect, because I've seen the show twice now. And then the second time through, Luthan is a guy who is very much paranoid about literally everything down to like, the color of the seats he sits on, sort of thing. Like, you'll be, you want to make sure everything is going well and good, and be careful about every single decision you make. Old grandpa dude just being like, hey, man, how are you doing? This definitely, who are you? Why are you here? Why are you talking to me? Fuck you, one from me. But it's just a kindly grandpa dude who's just existing in this world and he's just complaining about normal things. Like, oh, you know, the prices didn't used to be so bad. And oh, you know, these transports used to be quicker, man, just saying, what's going on these days? But you know, Ferrex is fun to visit, plenty to do here. We find out like Ferrex is a transport hub, basically. It's a big area in the galaxy that's popular for everybody to sort of go back and forth from. Kind of like Tatooine as a watering hole sort of thing. But obviously for trade. And yeah, it's just, I think the scene only exists to be like, there are totally normal people doing totally normal things in this world that you... Yes. But things are still being noticed. Things are still changing gradually. Yeah, Luthan is just doing his best to get through the conversation without actually addressing him. Yeah, we're already near the end of episode two, damn. So much to cram into these things, you know, that they have to sort of do relatively fast. But there again, like I said, there's a lot of flashback stuff. In fact, I'm kind of surprised how much there is. I forgot. Yeah, but I mean, that'll be, that's a sizable amount. Yeah, we're nearing the discussion. Yeah. So, yes. I think Cassian's preparing to get everything done now. Cause this is the thing. A lot of people consider episode one and two to be boring and eh, the episode three is one that people consider to be the good one because things happen. Well, this is, that's why we need to set up from the first two episodes. Well, so that would be the clear defense for those first two episodes, which I think are stronger than the third episode anyway, is that we're laying down a lot of groundwork where building things up. We're establishing character and a sense of place and beginning to set into motion some of the core thematic through lines that are gonna carry through the rest of the season. Yeah, but it doesn't feel bad or poorly paced. It doesn't feel like wasting time or we're just fucking around. Everything seems to be intentional. The show is pretty expeditious in terms of how much it's achieving at the same time. We've talked about it briefly and we'll get to talk about a lot of things go on. We've got a lot of scenes that are achieving multiple things at once in terms of advancing plot building character, establishing a sense of place in this world. And yeah, it's like pretty efficient storytelling. And I want to mention, it was widely considered to be poorly paced the first two, but this is the problem with pacing. It's the pacing argument. There's not much that can be done beyond saying, I think it's poorly paced, I don't. Okay, my argument for why it's not is that we get a substantial amount of information per time. I don't know what the response would be to that exactly. Some people may say, well, the information itself wasn't interesting or that really there wasn't that much information. You're sort of overblowing it. Like there's different things that could be said. We found it to be pretty well paced if not distracting at all in that department. I have never had trouble with not having an action scene. It's not something I need at all. I know. In fact, now I'm sick of it. Yeah, and it's got a lot of refreshing that we're not having action scenes. Especially in Star Wars. Those action scenes were fucking awful. I get worried when there's an action scene a lot of the time. Yeah, because it's high variables. It's high variables, which means it's a lot harder more things can go wrong when you're doing an action scene compared to two people talking to each other. Speaking of, Luthan and Bix talk about the situation with Andor, the fact he's being hunted, the thing he's trying to sell. And they do so of a relatively hearable volume among just all kinds of people everywhere. Not a scene I like for that. It seems very uncharacteristic of him in particular. Yeah. Luthan and Bix. I maybe would allow it for Bix, but not for Luthan. Yeah, he wouldn't do this. As much as they do imply throughout the season he's taking more risks. This isn't one I think that matches the kind of risks he takes as pointless as a risk. You just talk quieter, it goes someplace slightly different. This one just stands out as being, they just messed up. They just did a whoopsie. It's a problem. Yeah, Cyril and his team are heading to barracks and Marva's house is the first place they go. That's obviously where Cassian lives. And as they move through the town, there's a lot of eyes on them. Everyone sort of sees them and realizes what it means. I think someone says, it's been a while since we've seen the boys in blue. It means a lot that they're here. This is significant. I mean, someone's in trouble. They're looking for someone. Yeah, and the way that it works in Star Wars, right? This feels like a much more serious example of it. The droids are, they're like people. They're not too far away from them. It's a little bit awkward sometimes to think more on it than you'd like to. Kind of, E2 seems to be like a character. Yes, he's not just a functioning program following ones and zeros in the Star Wars universe. And I'm pretty sure there's more on this, the deeper you delve, like it can get creepy in terms of just how peopleish they are. But they want information from here and she ain't going to be given it to them. But then they say, they are starting the droid and it's like, I don't know, and then they go pull the power supply and it's like, no. And it's just like, oh, Jesus, what does that mean? If it's like, is that like the equivalent of like drawing your blood out of you sort of thing? Like I wonder. Yeah, and she even says like, they can't do that. Like it's illegal to pull the power on a droid, potentially, I have no idea. I don't know exactly. The Star Wars has never really taken the time to explore, let's say droid rights other than cartoonishly in the solo movie. And the thing is it's difficult to do it because of what we've said in Stone already, right? Which is that you can't really establish suddenly that these are all living creatures that deserve rights when we've been having so much chill fun with them. Like 3DO and RTT2 are fun. We don't really try to think more so about they're like souls trapped in machines or something. That's not really good direction. So anyway, yeah, it's worth saying I think the first two episodes are pretty solid. Episode three, this is where the hot takes can begin. Episode three is the weakest of the three. Yeah, I think so. Even though it's considered the strongest by everyone other than I guess us, it feels that way. But especially on rewatch, right? So I think I said when we were rewatching it, they're in Marva's house, they're trying to get information from the droid. And unfortunately at that moment Andor contacts the droid and he's like, hello, droid, how's everything going? You okay? And I, when we were watching it, I was like, I know what this is. He's, they've set this up because Andor can then distract them to a false location and he can save Marva and the droid. I was wrong. It is as simple as it appears. He literally contacted them by chance at the worst possible time. If he had done it five minutes earlier, he'd be fine. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty lame. Pretty lame. They all drew that information, find out where he is. It's like, well, okay. I don't know, I'll be winners. Yeah. There's no, be checking that it's okay for him to talk if he shouldn't even really be doing it. Well, it's just to facilitate that it's the thing that allows him to track him to the warehouse. Like that's basically the only reason it happens. And yeah, so we got Cass and Luthon have a big old chat and obviously Cass is here to sell a spaceship part, but Luthon turns out it's here for much more than that. These days are gonna end, Cassie, and the sound of that voice telling you to stop, to move, to die. Soon enough, they'll have something else to listen to. And then Cass, while he's saying all this stuff, is like, hey, for thing, you ought to be caught with things. Like, why, what's going on? Yeah, and he says, like, if they catch you with that part, you know, you'll get fucked. And he says, will they hang me? Yeah, like your father? And Cassie's just like, what the fuck? Like, what is with you, my dude? You're so mean. Probably could have had a different approach to, you know, get to him faster, but hey, it's fine. And he says, it seems like a waste of talent to let them have you. Don't you wanna fight these bastards for real? Like, what is happening here? Then another piece of plot writing happens that I'm not a fan of. Luthon has a thing that starts going off. Like, what's happening? And he says, can I grab my thing from my pocket? And I was like, yeah, sure, okay. And he's like, oh no, my thing in my pocket is telling me that you have a thing that is allowing people to track your location. And he means the com link that he spoke to the droid with. And so he takes it out and smashes it. And he's like, you idiot, don't have anything that you don't ultimately control. And I remember sitting there thinking like, ah, so if Luthon had detected that, immediately, well, think about it, right? If he had detected it from the moment he had entered, they would have smashed it and left the place and done their deal somewhere else. And so the whole plot changed. It's far out of a different way that way. It needed to be late. So I was just like, ah, that's lame. Damn you, stop. The character stuff's been so solid. Stop using these as like really cheap. By the way, these are stretches that are appearing. They're not holes and they're not even, they're not huge stretches compared to what we're often delivered. It would be nice if it was Taito. Yeah. So yeah, they realized too late that they're being attacked and they start preparing. And somehow, I guess, the way this job worked is that Cassian put the special, special part down on a table and then was like, give me the money. And he seems very thingy about like, I need to know that you have the money before we're doing this deal, but he still did that. And the reason I bring this up is had he just kept it in his pocket, it wouldn't have been found by the Empire because he can't get it out of this room. He loses it, basically. Which I'm not hugely thrilled by either. It's another example of what going a particular direction that kind of deals just a, all of these deal little pieces of damage to character. It means like, Luthan wasn't more careful than he obviously would be as he's characterized and or isn't more secure with his part before giving it up that he obviously would be. He wasn't more careful with contacting the droid than he obviously would be. But each of these choices allow for grander plot elements to happen, that part needs to be in the wreckage because it needs to be registered as something that was here so it can be traced and it's gonna be a big part of someone else's plot line. Yeah. So this thing, I want these things highlighted because they're not small, they have huge effects and they're not entirely in character. So they're little, what I would call maybe cheats on the rightest part to be like, I want this to happen and it's happening. The quantity though that exists in this show compared to the rest of Disney Star Wars though. Yeah, it's not even close. And so some guys try to see what's in the building and Luthan has charges on the doors he came in that he detonates, I guess it's sort of like security thing. And what I like about it is that the Linus finds out and the first thing he says is like, I told you not to go in without a sort of thing like we're supposed to do this as a team. The whole fucking point is that we do this well, we do this smart, we don't, like he's more pissed at the fact that they would have made the decision to get close enough to be killed, not that they're killed. Like, well he is of course upset at any man dying, it's just that there was a way we were supposed to conduct this and you're not doing it the way that I told you to. Yeah, Cass is shot in the arm during the fight which is a little bit satisfying in terms of just repercussions or hanging around for as long as they do. Yeah, getting into a gun battle, people get shot. But holy shit, they choose to, this gun fight is in this absolute fucking Indiana Jones level crazy room of just traps and insane shit. Dropping, yeah these engines and stuff rigged up on the ceiling that just drop everywhere. It is an action-packed room, it just, it's just wicked. It's a video game room, boys and girls. They store machine engines on the ceiling, it's really odd. Move them later, to keep them off the, so they're not dirty. Yeah. Okay. Plus they like it when it's for the birds. So, there is commotion, of course. And during the commotion, this is all the things I'm highlighting right now, this is why I'm not a fan of this episode compared to the first two. Bix starts running and her motivation we find out is to warn Cassian about what's happening. Okay, and so the way she's running is going to necessarily be in the opposite direction of most people who are fleeing from the explosion and the men in blue. And so she happens to go down a street. Remember there are, what was it, 12 men in total? She goes down the one street that has four of them. Yeah, in a whole city. And they see her, they see her running. And he's like, you're running in the different direction. Hold right there, you're probably evil. Well, yeah, because imagine if she was running to her house that was in that direction. Yeah, that should be so beyond unsatisfying to be. It's like, really? Okay, fine. It's not a hole, like I said, it's not a hole. It's just, okay, that's what happened, I guess. Because whenever a character gets captured, it's significant or released. Yes, it is. So it's like, okay, then. Star Wars doesn't have the best track record of just kind of having, you know, characters be captured and released later by factions. And then we get something really strange to happen. Boyfriend finds out she's been captured, I guess, because he was chasing after her and he finds out that she's there. And I think this moment was the moment that we, when we were watching it, were like, holy shit, what's going on, this is a bit, like, what the fuck? He tries to escape and they like throw it back into the walls, not much she can do. And Boyfriend turns up and he's like, hey, what are you doing? Leave her alone. And then they're like, stay the fuck back. And then he's just like, no, it runs towards her. They just shoot him. And then shoot him. It's shot immediately. It's like, yeah, of course that happened. That's what happened, you dumbass. They told you, they told you multiple times, like, hey, the gun's screaming. You're gonna be using that one. Four men pointing blasters at you. What were you doing? And I know that I want to try and represent as strong as a defense as possible. It's not even a strong defense, it's just the strongest word. It's that he was emotional. He saw that she was covered, her head was blood on it, that he loves her. It's like, okay. I think it's just that they wanted to give him some sort of moment of redemption before they killed him off. To make you feel a bit sadder about it, but it's just a really awkward sort of moment of redemption. They wanted him out of the story maybe, but they just, you gotta do stuff. Yeah, I got a bit lost on that one. I feel like it was a bit rushed. It's like, we didn't really know what to do with him, but we wanted him to be seen as not irredeemable. See, he's a good man. He really did love her. It's like, okay. Okay, I haven't got anything else. So that happened. So yeah, Andor then and Luthan making their way back through the town and Linus orders the men to basically prepare some form of a kill box ready for them because they're not sure where they are, but they know they'll be heading through this area. And they're all prepared. And Cyril is the one that Andor actually gets a gun on. Something that was worth noting though with that scene is that the guy who shot the boyfriend, they took the gun from him. It's like, go back to the drop ship. That's your job now. You're not doing this. Go back to the drop ship. The reason I didn't bring that up, I don't know how much I value that in terms of like they were all, I don't know that it's that. I'm just saying like, so that people, cause I think that the scene is like super like riddled with problems. It's just so that, because there's something that happens later with the drop ship. Oh, that's true for plot. Yeah, that's all. Well, what I was thinking about though, you bringing it up, of course, was just that it seemed like it was in response to him shooting someone, but it's like the thing is, if you angrily sprint security, yeah, they shoot you. It's the thing that happens, right? It's like, I wouldn't blame the guy too heavily. I'm not even sure what you're supposed to do when someone does that. I'm not sure exactly what training says. It's just that, I wouldn't see it as him punishing him for that decision or anything. Like you go back to the ship now. Yeah, it's like you, it's like whenever there's an officer-related shooting in America, at least, that pretty much regardless, the first thing they do is like, yeah, you're on leave until we figure out what happened. Yeah. And, yeah, Cyril is stressed the fuck out. He walks into a room. There's like two, I'm not sure if they're Jawas or something, but they run off and he just shoots out them immediately, so on fucking edge. Just kills them. Jesus. Luckily, they managed to get away. You can tell he's not holding themselves together well. He's not ready for this kind of situation. He is like the guy who's in the office. Right, it was as was pointed out, right? The officer in the ranks is like, yeah, he's normally not there. Yeah. And so, yeah, Cassian's behind him, gets a gun on his head, and he says, how many are you? And he says, I don't know. And then in the back row, Luthan just says, just kill him. I'll kill him. Then he goes- Yeah, he's like, Jesus. He's fucking stressing the hell out, stuttering, sweating. And he says 12, 14, 14. Yeah. Like, because obviously they are 12, but I guess you should probably make yourself sound bigger than you are. Or he was just like legitimately having trouble remembering how many there were. I can believe he fell for that. That he got the number right, because that's the kind of shit he would get right, right? He's all about the facts and stuff, but he realized he should probably tell them that. In that circumstance, you know, with a gun and everything. Yeah, well, he did get it right. It's just that he decided to fluff the number up. They are 12. Oh, I got you, I got you. He's, he went with 12 and then he changed it to 14, because yeah. But yeah, he's just absolutely terrified and he gives up the information. Like, and this is the sum in that, I appreciate it when we don't have characters that are always the, I'll never give up any information. It's just like, he gives it up pretty quickly. No, I wanna live. Yeah, this is a normal dude. He's just terrified, he doesn't want to die. It's interesting because if he would, probably if he would put the Linus guy in that situation, he totally wouldn't have said anything. I can believe he wouldn't, yeah. I believe he would be ready to die. Yeah, you'd see it as his duty to protect his man. Yep. So anyway, the guy gets to his ship and he lifts off and something is very strange as he like gets caught down. He's like, there's a wire attached to a weight. And I'm not sure how you guys feel about this. I'm not even sure how I feel about this, but it comes across to me as something that's like, it would have been rare for this to have fucked up to the point where he crashes. You'd think he would have had enough time to be like, oh, there's an absurd weight, something's wrong with my ship. I should chill out and not just stubbornly trying to take off. Yeah, he keeps trying to go. He lifts the thing up and the weight fucks him up to the point where he just crashes into a building and you watch the scene and you're just like, bro, if you just calmed the fuck down, but yeah, I guess, I don't know, he's stressed out or whatever, but he crashes and blows up the whole transport. He's like, yeah, I'm okay. But yeah, things aren't going well for Team Cyril. No, not really. They're still trying to make use of everything. They free Cyril because he's been captured and I'm pretty sure this is a deliberate choice on theirs to not kill him. He tells them they're escaping in that car and the thing, the reality is that that is a decoy. It explodes and kills several men and then they escape on a different transport. So I think the reason like Luthin and Cass probably would have been okay with leaving Cyril alive is that he actually sells the decoy story by accident. Yeah. Which is kind of neat. Yeah, and so several wounded, possible several dead, the whole mission failed, the ship exploded. They've caused immense property and civilian damage and stress and Cyril is fucking losing his mind. He is distraught. You can see he's got that out in the yard stair. Clearly, yeah, he is traumatized. He was not ready for this. It's all gone wrong. But then we always forget a lot of reactions because throughout this scene as Andor and Luthin are escaping, we see sort of the reactions of several different important characters. We just sort of intercut like Bix is seriously hurt. Just sort of very out of it. Physically under version. Yeah, Brasso's getting a drink just sort of sitting there thinking. And we've also got Marva as well just sort of this sense of unease, right? And sadness as well. Andor's leaving. Who knows if she'll ever see him again. Who knows if he's even okay, you know? Well, and all of this comes from those security guards kind of bullying Andor. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Andority abuse, people abusing their authority. Yeah. And everyone ferries like, oh shit, like corporate people died here. There's going to be trouble now. The Imperium is going to do something here. The Empire, I mean. I'm not sure if we went into it in too much detail, but after they had harassed Marva, there were a bunch of people outside the house. Like, what are you doing? Like harasses, she's just an old lady. Like, what are you doing? He's white. Why are you doing this? She's quite popular in the town. She knows. She's well respected in the town. And as we've already established, it's a tight knit community. And one of the things that we see as the crowd scatters is they all have a bunch of, just sort of metal, like loose metal, scrap metal. And then they start banging on it. It's like an intimidation tactic. So as they're moving through the town, it's just a lot of loud rattling noises. Kind of gives an indication of where they are too. Just like these tactics that are being used to get to them. And as we see, it gets to some of them. Like it's working. Some of them are really nervous about it. And then I love the line that Marva has where it's like, you know, I know it gets to you. Like while they're in a house and they're just like, shut up. And then I think she says something along the lines of it's when it stops. Like that's when it gets scary. Or that it should worry you. Which is really great or shadowing. Yeah, because I think it's pretty clear what she, I guess the easy way to read it is once that stops, you know that they're like actually like ready to fight you. Kind of like as a, I guess a broader statement about like what would be happening in this world. Like just the sounds of discontents. That's like one thing. But when it stops, it's like, that's when shit's hit the fan. That's when everybody's had enough. That's when it's over. Yeah. That's one way to read anyway. Well, and that closes out the Luthan and Cass make it out on a ship. So Cassian's life is fucked in terms of being able to stay in Pharax. He's with someone who's offered him a chance to fight the empire for real, quote unquote. But he's not that into it. Well, that's the thing that's worth emphasizing. It's obviously worth the escape, but yeah. Like what exactly does this mean going on? But it's worth keeping in mind is that this is far from an ideal situation for Andor. Even his means of escape is not great because he knows that it's going to tie him into stuff that he doesn't want to get involved in. I think if there's like a way to describe Andor at this point, self-preservation, not at any cost, but self-preservation, you know, not getting minded too much trouble. We get a lot more of that in four, five, six, I would say as well in terms of because it's, well, there's the thing, a lot of people said it, but the arcs in this go one, two, three, and then four, five, six, and then seven, eight, nine, 10, and then 11, 12. It's, they are splits just to create sort of a grander, sort of smaller stories that tell a big story overall, which is a good strategy, I think for a season. It can be quite engaging. It builds and then pays off, builds pays off. Yeah. So let's talk about the flashbacks. I agree. All right, here we go. Flashbacks. The idea with the flashbacks is that Cassian's homeworld canary is essentially taken over fully by the empire for mining. And we discover in the present time that there was a disaster there that killed basically all or many of the inhabitants of the planet and the workers, like a toxic mining disaster that made the empire move out once it happened. A ship crash lands near where they're just hanging out in a little, little tribe. And because they're like native to the planet, they don't have much of any technology other than what they've clearly scavenged. Like they've got pieces of plastic and metal that they're fashioned into different tools. And yeah, so they just like, they clearly when ships crash or arrive, they go to try and find them wherever they land and just see what they can make of the situation. There's like a distinct, I wasn't sure what to make of this. There's distinctly no adults among them. The oldest you get is about like younger teenagers. They're clearly, yeah, they're quite young. I'm not sure what the idea is exactly. I don't know either. I think it just might be some, just some material. Just something to think about. Cause it's clearly a deliberate choice. Yeah. Well, and we never necessarily got the answer to whether or not you were supposed to have subtitles with them or not. Well, no, there are no subtitles. It just says speaking canary. That's all it says. There you go. By the way, I like it. Yeah, it's neat. I like that. Cause what it means is that they want you to watch the scenes not knowing what they're saying and only picking up what's happening through tone. Yeah. And, you know, body language. It's neat. They didn't have to do that, but they did. They make it to the craft ship and there's just bodies outside of it. I guess, I don't want to, I really like the shot where it's and or looking at the massive mining operation as they're moving through because they move through the world. It's like the gradual reveal of the nature of this planet. Cause at first it's like they're living out in the forest, but then as they sort of walk through the jungle, you see a couple of signs of more industrial things like some, you know, worn down equipment and then big mining operation. And then they head to the ship. Yeah. Like I said, the, the mining sort of efforts were abandoned apparently through disaster. Yes. That's what we know now that the planet was abandoned and quarantined. So they get to the craft ship. They send what I think is their leader to, you know, check out the place. See if it's safe first. She checks if the bodies are alive. They're not seem to be moving, but then one of them wakes up and yellow shoots her with a blaster. Yellow and there's some gas leaking out of nearby as well. It's kind of crazy. He shoots her with a blaster that everyone like screams and starts shooting him with a little like blow dots. Yeah. Yeah. He gets fucking halted. He's a pincushion by the end of it, which yeah, that obviously kills him. And then they all like desperately struggle to get her presumably back to their village. I don't know if a medical care or she is just straight up dead. But either way, Cassian out of curiosity and partially fury goes into the ship. They go and check it out. And he, I think he like starts smashing shit up. Breaking his little fist. And he happens to bump into Marva and Clem, who are a team of scavengers. That particular transition into that scene is super smooth. It's actually really cool. Yeah. B2 is like worn down. He's very worn down old. He stutters. Oh, yeah, I remember. Worn down, a little hard droid. But then when they do the transition, it cuts from him to like a very sleek, clean B2. And immediately it's like, oh, that's neat. It's cool. That was really cool. That's what we call visual storytelling. Yes. And yeah, it's funny as well. Cause in that moment, he checks the oxygen and atmosphere levels to make sure it's safe for them to breathe, which is hilarious. Cause you don't have to do it, but I appreciate you doing it because characters just knocking out their own fucking forces of oxygen. It's not something you should do casually, but they don't do this and fucking Prometheus and Alien Covenant and shit. Or rather, it's Alien Covenant specifically is what I always pick on. In Prometheus, they're a little bit better, but it's still bad. Yeah, I always appreciate shit like that. There's no reason not to have it. They had it. It was cool. But yeah, he's like panicking and terrified of them. She has B2 make like a knockout stuff for the kid. And Lem is basically saying like, we can't possibly fucking like adopt a full on person. That would be insane. We got to get out of here. We got to get what we can and get out of here. And then she's like, if we leave him, he's dead. Like the Republic will kill him. They'll execute. And I thought it was interesting to refer to them as the Republic as well. Cause this would obviously be soon after Palpatine takes over, so it's not the Empire yet, or at least it wouldn't be called the Empire. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Obviously it's the Empire by now, but again, just that kind of attention to detail is super cool. So yeah, she decides that she can't let him die. It would be just be fucked up if she did. So she grabs him and takes him with her. So that's how Cassian, like I said, originated. So for lack of a better term, she's just kind of thinking. And yeah, Clem says, you better think about this. And she says, plenty of time for that. I'm not leaving him here to die. Like the implication being, yeah, I haven't thought about this, but I can't go further than I can't let this kid die. That's as simple as that. A good person? Gross. Just principled thinking, right? Like it doesn't matter what the repercussions are. I have to make, I have to do this action. We do a lot with a little if you haven't noticed. We really do. Well, and it kind of reflects, funnily enough, what Linus said about how can you really look your own men in the eye if you knew you didn't do everything you could, sort of thing. Is saying in that moment, it's like we can do something to stop this kid from dying. Are we just gonna leave him? Like I can't, I can't do it. What can happen? So yeah, she rescues him and we have his sort of, these flashbacks are being shown at the same time as the present story progressing. And her rescue of him is being shown at the same time as the present of him escaping. She's rescuing him from the empire, likely killing him. And at the same time as the present story of him escaping pharx before the empire are going to kill him again, sort of thing. It's like a big old reflection, a big old echo. And the squeeze of the empire is being felt more thoroughly just everywhere. So yeah, I'd say that the history and the present sort of matching up for the biggest events that change Cassian's life forever, sort of thing, right? Like it goes from a canary that ends up at pharx and now he's on pharx but that's all gonna change forever now unless he can't get out of this situation. Well, without doing some drastic changes. No, as episodes one, two, three. Yeah. Which in terms of sort of setting the stage for the seasoners, it's just like those three episodes. It's like, hmm, this is like a, this is... Not bad. What are you doing, show? What are you doing? Are you like telling the story in Star Wars? How dare you. We don't do that anymore. Go somewhere else. Like I said, I just got a distinct impression of just giving us a character profile, life and history and then enough pieces of surrounding characters and worlds to create a nice little sandbox. And it felt like the goals of this three is to like really give us a solid understanding of who exactly Cassian is. It's funny. Yes. But I've heard plenty of people say like, God, he's such like a worthless character. I don't care about K-Way more about the other people. And I was just like, I don't know. I feel like these episodes did a lot of work to basically say like he's got a lot of heart, aggression and principled thinking, but he's simultaneously not looking to rock the boat at all. Yeah. Yeah. He just doesn't have enough motivation to do that. And what we're gonna see over the course of the season is an accumulation of reasons to actually wanna fight. That's what we're gonna see him go on an arc for throughout the season. And so I guess cause we haven't got all the time in the world, we'll just push on to the good old episode four out of 12. Yeah, do it. And it's funny. I was just gonna say, this is the episode that I think kind of like starts to expand our, this is the one that really begins to expand the scope of the show. Yes. If those first three episodes were focused on and or these episodes, like episode four is the beginning of really starting to develop a whole bunch of other POV characters here. And we get some real interesting perspectives from this point going forward that we'll just run concurrently with the one we already have. The way I wrote my notes for episodes one, two, three and then four is where it starts to change is I was writing them chronologically but splitting flashback and present. But from then on, I split it POV because... Oh. Yeah. Well, it's just because of the nature of the way the episodes went is the, these were much more focused around and or the first three but they start to split up and there's other significant stories running alongside his, which is... Yeah. You know how TV shows often do it. So he's with Luthan and he's just like, the fuck, this is a whole craft. I've never seen it do whatever. And just like, yeah, just a good bit of language for, he's probably using something that's seen as being pretty shit but he's modified it heavily. I mean, it's all gonna be like little pieces of information to let you know about Luthan's competency and experience. And yeah, they have a big old chat. He says, I wondered who you were, Alliance, SEP, Gorilla, Partisan Front, one of them. Before I even go on with further on the dialogue, throwing like all these different names of different groups that are trying to push back against the Empire. And one of them being casually mentioned SEP, being separatist, being the fucking army that was fought in the prequels by the Republic. It's just like, they've reduced down to just one of several groups that try to oppose the Empire now. Yeah. And they're not even a negative at all, even though of course that's kind of, it makes me think back to the potential of the prequels, right? When Anakin executes all the separatist leaders, that is such a horrifying moment, or at least it could be in a different story. Just slaughtering all of them when a lot of them are there just because they think that the Republic are kind of empire-ish, if you know what I mean. Yeah. I wish the prequels had done more with the Will building, that's all. I just like mentions it, this I believe, and this will become clearer the more we cover more stuff, but we kind of mentioned it in Ragnarok and some other things that this is how you repair writing, you don't ignore your history, you do your best to incorporate the parts that work. Gotta have to take the baggage with you if you're like it or not, it's there. No, and that's the thing, right? I don't even think this one's hard. Using the separatists to your advantage in these timelines is super easy, I think. Oh yeah. And you can even just have casual mentions of the inspiring speeches that Count Dooku would be delivering. I know this is the wrong timeline for that, I just mean, if you were doing it in prequel era, different things like that for leadership. But yeah, Luthan says, isn't it all the same? And Andor says, it is to me, which is interesting, because it is to Luthan as well, just for completely different reasons. Luthan sees all of it as, if you're opposed to the empire, that's good. And it doesn't matter in what way we need to work together. Meanwhile, Andor sees them all as like, people who are desperately trying to poke holes in an empire that they should better off leave alone, because they're only gonna make things worse. Doesn't really matter what their motive is, they shouldn't be doing it. It says it, it's all useless. And so Luthan says, well, better to spit in their food and steal their trinkets, which is what Andor's been doing. And he says, better to live, better to eat, sleep and do what you want. I fought in Mimban when I was 16. Great out of prison and into the mud, one of 50 men who have survived, turned out we were fighting ourselves. And basically like, he's talking about an event that would have shaped a lot of his POV running forward now. Most interesting is that Luthan knows more about it than he realizes. And he says, you served on the ground for six months, you served as a cook, and you live because you ran. You were fighting each other and that should make you hate them even more. Like it's so interesting to just provide a completely different context that should have led him to different values, but it didn't, different events can have different results. He says, wouldn't you rather give it all at once to something real than carve off pieces until there's nothing left? Seems to be foreshadowing his ultimate fate. I mean, well, let's think we could talk about that, right? Cause it's not a spoiler. It's like, yeah, the future of this man is to give everything he can to stop, to help give plans to help someone else stop the death star. Which is hugely significant. His efforts are so important to the broader universe. They are indeed. And yes, he says like the plan that I'm conducting right now that I want you in on is we're stealing the quarterly payroll for an entire imperial sector. Which is a lot of money. That's a lot. That's a lot of money, yeah. And I thought it was neat that he says you needed a fake name and he goes with Clem and that's the name of the dad that he had the flashbacks. Right. Sort of gonna be a set of because we get more information of what happens that his dad does time goes on. And yeah, it's not pretty snowy to me. I don't know. We get to meet. Oh, very true. Well, yeah. So it depends on what kind of order we want to do this now. I think we can do this episode chronological but we'll start going POV from then on. We meet the ISB. My God. How beautiful. What a fascinating. What a wonderful. Fascinating subplot that we are about to witness. This is one of them. Thank you moments for me. Thank you so much. So we finally get a major new perspective within the empire. What does it look like when you've got the intelligence agency within the empire? How do they operate? We get so much for this subplot that's super interesting. Yeah. They're sitting around table so I assume someone's gonna get force choked or shown out of the window or just shot randomly. Oh, I can't wait. So this is the Imperial Security Bureau and it's headed by Partigas and fuck me. Do I like Partigas? He is one of my favorites. I really like this character a lot. Like the same guy who plays Kaiburn in Game of Thrones for those who may be familiar with that. I'm not sure exactly what other stuff he's been in but popped up here and there. He's got a very distinct voice. I thought he may have been putting it on in Game of Thrones but since this is the same one here I assume that's just how he speaks. It's very breathy and subdued but at the same time he holds himself quite confidently and he can be quite threatening. It's a really cool combo. Comes across as the kind of person I would expect to be in charge of higher level events in the empire. And they find an excuse pretty immediately to give us an intro to the ISB that's as natural as I guess they can pull off. There's a lot of complaints but there's a lot of people saying what they're doing to try and solve problems that aren't exactly very efficient and so he gets annoyed and he says, what do we do here? What is our purpose? Which to me is such a like, it's as blatant as you're gonna get with this level of writing in terms of the writers being like, we are now going to explain to you what the ISB are, okay? And it's like, thank you. He says we are here to- Even though they're gonna explain it, it's gonna be explained through the perspective of this character. Yeah, it's not as simple. I mean, like I said, the prompting of it is not exactly as clunky as it may sound. He wants to reaffirm what the point of this whole fucking place is because people aren't performing as well as he'd like- Yeah, he wants to reallibrate the offices essentially. Let's get on the same page again. And he offers it to the floor of like, who wants to explain what we do and Deidre is the one that speaks up, which I think matches like, she's gonna be our POV character and she's quite a go-getter. She wants to make an impression. She says, we're here to further security objectives by collecting intelligence, providing useful analysis and conducting effective COVID actions. And he says that is verbatim from the ISB mission statement and wrong. Which is pretty interesting. He says security is an illusion. He wants security, call the Navy, launch a regiment of troopers. We are healthcare providers. We treat sickness. We identify symptoms. We locate germs, whether they arise from within or they have come from the outside. The longer we wait to identify a disorder, the harder it is to treat the disease. It's a really cool intro to what their job is. Yeah. They just try to find shit going wrong and deal with it well before it can reach its full repercussions. You could think of them almost as an immune system for the galaxy. Yeah. Well, for the Empire specifically. I assume that they would think of themselves as right. They're not just doing this. Yeah. Oh yeah. The Empire, they do it as well. We are evil. Oh God. So that's the funny thing. Evil and bad. The way he's describing this and the passion they all have, it's not what you might expect from the sequels where it's like, we are literally bad guys and we do things at the expense of the innocent. Woohoo, let's drink some blood. Like it's so absurd and how bad it's gotten for the bad guys in like sequel content that you must have felt kind of embarrassed making this being like, I'm about to make the bad guys people. I hope, I hope, you know, I hope Lucasfilm are okay with this. I hope, I hope Disney are okay with this because they're clowns in everything else. But yeah, so they make their job very clear. But you've got like the sets, the uniforms, it's all kind of gorgeous and Tim's all, yeah, like it suits exactly what you expect it to be. Which by the way, when you have the juxtaposition with Ferox, which is a very industrial town, lots of grays and browns in terms of like the color palette for this location, like it's very desaturated. Meanwhile, yeah, ISB is like incredibly well lit. Everything's bright and clean. It's just- It's tidy. Yeah, we got, it's a lot of just, you know, telling a story through the environment. You look at Ferox and you look at that town and you already, it's like, this is a working class place. And meanwhile with the ISB, it's like, oh, this is like, this is real high up the totem pole in terms of like the empire and its organizations. So, you know what, I'm changing my mind halfway through. I think we might pursue the ISB plot line. Well, yeah, because it might be what line. Okay, yeah. And then we'll go back to Andor. So, yeah, we find like basically what happened on Ferox with the men getting, that's reached the ISB. And they're like, we got to deal with this. This is insane. How the fuck did so many, how many, how have people died? Like what is happening? And it's, you know, like need more information. And Deirdre says that the Starpath unit that was recovered at the scene of the crime, but like the big old shootout, she says that that gives her authority because it was taken from, I want to say, Earguard, which is her sector. Earguard, yeah. She says she's sort of got a theory, but access to information has been denied, leading her to take the issue to part of gas. Which, by the way, just that alone, that there was a level of compartmentalization in terms of the information that people can have. It's not just, oh, what, you want access to everything? Yeah, sure. There's a chain of command. Do you have a rule? You can have that information. I have a rule. I was just about to reference that. Do you have a face? Yeah. I mean, even when it's on Kenobi, like her getting into the, she just walks in because, well, I'm your superior, so let me in. And she just gets in that way. And that's the end of the HQ, and they just let her in. It's like, it's such a joke, and now it's actually serious. Well, because to jump ahead a little bit, something that becomes relevant later in the story is that the Senate, spurred by Palpatine, wants to basically expand the powers of the ISP. They want to give them a mandate and the capacity to exert more, like to have less bureaucracy to enable them to essentially more viciously, I guess, pursue their objectives. Yes. But it's just that, right, that we have it established that there are rules here. This is an organization that needs to function in some sense, and part of what it means to function is to have rules that bind the people who are part of it and a level of a chain of command and bureaucracy. And I mean, that's part of what we see with Deidre in this episode is playing the game of bureaucracy. Yeah, I love the fact that they have to go through official channels. That one could consider this laborious. I found it interesting. I was like, It's so interesting. Because you don't, when she starts like talking about stuff, and then the boss man goes like, well, yeah, but you don't really have any information on that, right? Like it's just theorizing. He's like, yeah. He's like, well, come back to me when you have more, we have better information, and then we can open this again. Well, so I actually want to give more, I'm going to give more credit to that, because I really like that scene. It says some of the moment of impressing me. So she's with, she's taken the issue to part of guys, and there's a guy who controls the sector she wants access to. It's those two butting heads, basically. You can't have access to my sector, stick to your own sector. And she's like, I deserve it because pieces of my sector were taken to yours. It sounds like a normal kind of complaint to have. So who decides part of guys? Well, and so he's like, all right, make a case. And she says, the stolen item has great value, particularly to the rebels, tracing its theft might expose activity in my sector. It is my feeling that this is part of an ongoing effort to steal proprietary imperial equipment in anticipation of an organized rebellion. I have three previous case files on my desk that begin to suggest a pattern. The reason I really like this dialogue is she packs so much into that. But there's one thing she said that's more important than anything. And part of guys picks up on it and he just responds a feeling. Yeah. Like he's cut right to the point. Yep, cause that's what he does persistently in all of his scenes. It's like, let's cut through the fluff. Tell me what you're actually saying or I'll identify it for you. Yeah. And I mean, it's the nature of it, right? By trying to fluff up what she has, she's basically presenting that she has way more than she actually does. And he's smart enough to know that. So it's like, is that really enough to give her access to a different sector? It sounds like she's overreaching. So, yeah, he wants more. And she says, there are similar items of interest. There are repeated methods, gut instinct. And then he just says, we act on vetted and verifiable information. Alert me when this materializes into something more definite until then stick to your sectors. Yeah. And something that's worth emphasizing as well is that it is identified by the other officer. It's like, you're just trying to get more for yourself. Like you're playing the game of career. You're trying to advance. I have more sectors than you. You want access to these sectors. Like I'm not going to let you do that. Just the infighting within this organization. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Maybe they all have the same broad objective, but that doesn't mean that they all agree on everything. Or there's not, I mean, there's clearly office politics going on here. Yep. Yeah. Which is exactly what would happen if it's something this broad and extensive. Yeah, exactly. And we even see like Deidre has her own people. I can't remember, there was one officer with her in particular who's like constantly working with her to try and get information and push things forward. And he even has a couple of moments in the season where he like sort of chirps up to help her. And then it works and it gets her through the situation and gets her what she needs. Yep. We just get to see a really in-depth look at the inner workings of a part of the empire. And it's like, thank you. Finally, I just want stuff like this. And Paraguay says he does, I will admit, hue to traditional viewpoints of this office and its staffing, which I'm not sure if he means male versus female hiring or if he means that she's an experienced. And I think they are vague on purpose with this. He says, I'm sure he is a challenge to work with, but his reports are in and yours are not. There's a high bar for your performance, unfair perhaps, but senseless to ignore and potential and potentially the foundation of a uniquely superior career. You're supposed to be competent and tucked away. Of course, I guess he's trying to lay out to her how she can be successful, where she can go. And so if she keeps pushing and failing, it's gonna have really bad results. He's a bit of a risk taker. So yeah, you get a good shot of her at the end of the scene of being like, fuck. Like I've really got to get away now. Yeah. And that actually closes her out for the episode so we can now roll back to Cassian, I think. I can find where we are. Well, they're off to Aldani. Yes, Aldani, a new planet again. A new place seems to be a new place. It's not even Tatooine. Well, no Tatooine this season, thank God. Not even a, do we even get a desert planet? No, we don't. Well, I think the closest we get is the... Eric says, kind of dusty. That's more, yeah, but I guess it's less like a... Dust-real. Sort of like a Sahara, sort of that kind of desert, more of like the American Southwest kind of a rocky sort of desert. Yeah, yeah. Aldani is, it seems more like Scottish Highlands kind of a kind of vibe, at least in the area that we get to see in the show. So, yeah, we're all new planet and Luthans like, I got to go speak to this lady who's going to be your boss, basically. Stay in the ship. Yeah, she's not going to like this. Something I like while he goes and talks to us, there's a shot where we come back to... Andal's looking at them for a while, and then he looks at the steering wheel. Yeah. He sits there for a little while, and then the little droid says, I don't think I could help you with. I love that, because I can't help but infer that the droid was like, you ain't stealing this shit, buddy. Don't you try. It's an important thing to remember. Andal does not want to be here. He does not want to be doing this. All he wanted to do was sell his little ship part and get the hell out of here. He got some money. He does not want to be involved in the cause. The conversation between Luthan and her name is Val, I believe, right? Yes. Yes, that's right. She's going to be... I would go as far as saying she's pretty much POV. Yeah, she is. She is. She's quite an important character. So, yeah, their conversation, it feels like Luthan's on the back foot. He's basically having to argue how it's okay for the significant and controversial job we're doing that I'm adding some guy in three days before we're doing it, which this thing has been planned for months, I think, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. It has been here for a while. And he says, I'm buying critical redundancy. You know I'm right. You're wasting energy. And she like is getting more and more annoyed. And he says, in the next three days, if for any reason, and she's like not caring, he just goes, look at me. And it's just like, oh, oh, shit, okay. Like he's very serious about this. He believes Cassian's the right call. He says, anything goes wrong. You cancel the mission. And she says, if he's the problem, and then Luthan says he's disposable. Yep. This Luthan guy, lots of information we've been given in terms of what he wants to do, what his values are, that aren't necessarily fully matching up yet. He seems complicated, very multidimensional. So yeah, they start heading back. And one thing I really like is that the sight and sound of one TIE fighter moving through the area slowly is like terrifying to them. Yes. Yes. And I was like, oh, fuck, man, scaling it all the way back down so that one TIE fighter's like little, that scream almost of it going past. It's jet black. It's moving through the area is like a century. She's like, yeah, that's scary. Instead of just seeing them all get blown apart constantly and nobody gives a shit. It's like, oh, no, TIE fighter, ooh. It's like singular units can be, you know, intimidating and dangerous. Especially TIE fighter, was this just a human? TIE fighter's going to win like every time. And it's just about raising the alarm, you know, like. And raising the alarm. Person to see you and spot you. Like, what is Windows down there doing? What's going on? So, yeah, we get our new cast of characters. We've got a team that's going to be doing this job. Because obviously, there's some other plot lines happening, but we'll just go through them chronologically, like I said, at this point, piece by piece, people by people. So. You have, I'm going to, we're going to have to work together to remember all the names of these people. You've got Nemek. I definitely remember him. Yeah, he's a sleep on the job, right? He's the first person we actually meet. Yes, he is. He is a sleep on the job, but they even have a conversation. He has a conversation with. Uh, it was, it was, it was skiing. That was a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, you're asleep. Like we could all be dead because you were asleep. And then, and then I think he says something like Nemek says, don't tell Vell. It's like, no, you'll tell her. Yeah, which characterizes both of them straight away as just valuable information. One of them is no nonsense. Do the job properly. This is incredibly important. The other one not, you could argue not quite taking it as seriously a little bit more forgiving about the nature. I think it's, um, and Nemek is green. Like he's, uh, he's new. He's, he's not experienced clearly. Um, yeah. And like, when you're on center as well. Yeah. When Cassian is introduced to the team, you get like, it's a bit late for surprises. Like, like a very, you know, but then at Nemek's like, good to have you, Clem, we can take all the help we can get. You know, like a, such different responses. Tips of the, yeah. Well, yeah. Everybody's a bit different cause the, the thing with like center is she's, I don't think she says anything, but you just know, she's looking at him like, what the hell are you doing here? Like, who are you? Since is a pretty good example of a, very simplistically characterized and, and comes through on those pieces of information we're given. Yeah. The biggest action since it takes, it's just efficiently written. Yeah. The biggest action she takes matches entirely, what we knew about it. That's throughout the season. It's mainly a, it's it's far corner who's like the most. I think that's his name. Former stormtrooper guy. He's the one who's like most vocal in terms of expressing you can tell he is super like, I don't want anything to not be under our control sort of guy. Yeah. He's a, yeah, that's, that's a clear indication. And I quite like as well. How do you know him? He comes highly recommended. So you don't know him. Yeah. It's just immediate. We've got so many examples of that throughout the show where it's just like, you're bullshitting me. Like, I know that you're not telling me the truth or, and it's, you're obviously getting the truth. And I'm just going to cut through that. Cool dynamic, because she was given bullshit and that she's been told she has to deliver this bullshit now. Yeah. Like, and she has to try and do it convincingly and she's not great at it. No. And that's the thing. Luther basically just told her like, you know, I'm correct. This is an extra man. There's no reason not to trust him. Trust me that I trust him and that, and then she's like trust me that I trust him. Basically, that's how a lot of characters get things moving is just put my word on the line. Okay. All of you could sort of shut the fuck up. We could move on. But yeah, he's obviously they take quite a bit of issue with him being here. So we find out as part of them planning this whole job. That is so funny to see this light come up, right? So there are 40 men garrisoned at this big old place. And you're like, well, quarterly payment of an entire set. I know what you're referring to already. It's like only 40 men defending it. And they're like, well, they don't expect anybody to actually try and fucking steal this shit. And it's like, oh my God, it's the same use of a particular writing strategy as in a little episode of Kenobi where they look at this enormous building. It's the headquarters of the inquisitors and they say, why aren't there any shields? Well, because nobody would be stupid enough to try and attack them. Now, why don't we highlight the difference between these two? Why one works and one doesn't? There are only 40 free stations on a remote garrison that is just not considered to be that important. And even if somebody tried to steal something from them, they still generally have the resources to prevent that from happening. Yeah, the last 40 people equipment. Yeah, it's a big, it's a big galaxy. They got a lot of things to oversee. As we've seen small even, you know, like in terms of closed hallways and not really to defend 40 is still a decent chunk of people to fight. And we're comparing this against the headquarters of the inquisition. Yes. Well, yeah, so to just tie a bow on it and and or it's like, it's just allocation of resources. You have a finite number of resources to spread across a massive galaxy. To some extent, the empire is just going to be stretched thin. You can't afford to have like a hundred or 200 people in a place that you don't expect anything bad to happen. So that's the reason why it's just understaffed because it's they're stretched in and they don't think that anything that's going to happen there compared to why don't we turn the shields on our inquisitive base? When nobody would come here, that's stupid. So why would you do this incredibly valuable military and intelligence target? Why wouldn't we just turn on the shields? I feel like what your energy bill is going to be a little bit higher. Sure. But like, what is the real cost of turning it on? Especially with how lax their security is at the front fucking gate. Yes, God, you know, be bad. All right, that's very bad. If you like it, you're on the last member of the team is a guy who is actually still actively a member of Lieutenant Gorn. Yes. He's he's a and he is very angry when he finds out that Addo is there. He's hyper bullshit. I quite like as well that they ask him to leave his boots or they leave leave his belt and gloves behind because he can obviously get extras with little issue, but they need more from to create a new form. Yeah. But I mean, in terms of having gone here now, it's like we have out we have our team and everybody's different. Every single person on this team is different. And as we learn over the next couple of episodes, they all have different perspectives on the empire and the rebellion and like what they need to do as people. Well, yeah, the strategy I would argue for writing is the episode one, we just introduce all of these people and what the plan is and how it's going to work. And then episode two, we start to learn about what they all value as people. Yep. As we start to see more in-depth on the plan is going to be what is the plan actually? And for listening, the plan is that there is a famous event that happens on this planet called the eye where it's a series of the equivalent of comics, the comets flying across the sky all at once like thousands. Yeah. The idea is that it's going to be such a distracting event. There's probably the best time to organize a heist and that's when they're going to do it and it's coming up soon. Relatively simple. Happens every few years. Yeah. Which and the thing is that's really cool is that over the course of the next few episodes, we get to learn a lot more about the eye and how the locals on this planet feel about it, like how important it is culturally to them, as well as perspectives of people in the empire about the eyes. Yeah. In terms and to the people who live on the planet. And I know we're jumping ahead a bit, but something. No, we'll leave it actually because it's more relevant in episode six. All right. So that's it for Cassian's plotline and the ISP, which leaves Cyril and Lucen. We'll go with Well, Mon Mothra, right? She's she's she's about to be introduced through Luther's plotline. Oh, right. I get. Yeah, I get you. So yeah, the what we see of Luther and heading back to Coruscant is that he's he changes his whole like outfit and wig. Yeah, they give you a few like the so like a point of that's funny about it, right? Is that you see him put it on as like a normal person wig, but I just think it's a music because it's movie quality of the second he turns around, right? Like it ain't like a Halloween store type wig. It's like it's gorgeously done. Maybe he's an expert in doing that. Or it's a sci-fi thing either way though. It's just I like that they give us so much time for he's got the sort of the rebel insurrectionist type personality. And now he's trying to get into his shop owner of rare artifacts selling and trading them and stuff character that has a whole like I said, it's it's a whole costume he's wearing. And what's cool is once he gets it all on, he starts like changing up his body language and his expressions and preparing a little bit more flamboyant. Just a little bit more flamboyant, but then like it drops very quickly. Yeah, like practicing a little bit. It's the kind of shit that I love to see. Because it's giving Stell and Scott a guy who can really do it lots of things to do. He's acting. He's an actor who's acting as a character acting. Yes, you love to see it. So yeah, he he holds up a shop that just trades items of interest like artifacts and antiques and stuff and Mon Mothma visits. You know her, you know her from the the old the O.T. And she popped up in Rogue One. She is she is a Star Wars character of interest and here she is actually moving around in the world being important. We're going to get a lot more on here and I feel like it's worth mentioning since we already did it with Luther anyway. What a fantastic job the actress does with Mon Mothma. This is damn. This is probably this is arguably the best performance Yeah, this is really good shit and you have to know that she must have made an impact for us to mention that we don't like everyone's doing a pretty good job in this. But man, she's she's something else with her expressions. She really lets you know what Mon Mothma is thinking about. You got a lot of great stuff in the Mon Mothma subplot. And so it's like a really effective that we get to explore in the show. And what's cool is they don't give you everything away straight away. She arrives and she's talking to Luther and about like different pieces to buy. And they they have this whole like false conversation that we go through just like the characters do, but it's all for one person in that room. It's got nothing to do with anything other than that. It's yeah, she has a new driver. And so everything they talk about in the room is all actually irrelevant. They don't care about it. They find an excuse in the middle of a conversation to go check the back to see if he's got something in that she wants. And the second they get out of ear shot, they drop it. Both of them do and they start talking as rebels basically. It's just really cool shit. It's really cool how instant it is. Like they go for him. They have like the smile and it's like, okay, what's up time for business? Like we got to do shit. We have a new driver. It's a it's quite something to see. It's really cool. Really good. And Mon Mothma is basically she is Luther's way of getting access to money and that he can then spend on different people doing different actions to further their goals as rebels. He's explaining to him. He's having trouble getting access to money at this point that things are going wrong and that she wants to bring someone in to help. And he's like, that's a fucking insane bad choice. What do you mean? And they're both feeling a little bit trapped in terms of funding. And he seems pretty angry with her and he says it's a daring like back when they're being able to be listened by the driver. He says it's a daring choice, but I trust you'll have the courage to turn back if it should be a bit much. There's a lot of code talking in some of Luther's scenes and this isn't quite the one I would pick. There's a couple to come that I would like to dig into a little bit for what is. Which is that? Is that it for that for Luther? And well, we get to meet Mon Mothma's husband and there's he's clearly not Mr. Mothma. They don't really think very well. No, I do different people. She's quite socially responsible, passionate about, you know, helping people. He's just kind of enjoying life as a rich person. Yeah, pretty much. He's not he's not particularly passionate about anything. He's just enjoying life. Yeah, and that causes problems when you're married to someone who is very much opposite in terms of where she's aiming her resources. But yeah, that leaves us with just the one last plot line is sort out. Which is the Cyril one. We open with the Cyril, the superior and Linus. They're all just being chewed out basically for the absolute failure on barracks. Complete fuck up. And funnily enough, the person who's doing it is the sector manager from the ISP, the one that's competing. That's now moving in permanently to this sector. Primo is done. Empire's taken over. Yep. He said, you will not be replaced. You've rung the final bell as of this morning. The Molana system is under permanent imperial authority, which just sounds like the fist is closing basically. Yes. And a lot of it is laid directly at the feet of Cyril. And all of this was told by that superior in the first episode. He said this would happen if you make waves. If you fuck up, they'll lose our chill and night. All those people who aren't doing their job particularly well, but acceptably, all of them are probably now going to be forced to do the job excellently. It's going to be under hyper surveillance. Well, those of them who still keep their jobs because a lot of them got fired clearly like Cyril's decisions have had significant repercussions that would absolutely be considered negative as hell and he's not feeling too great about it. Nice to see that there's actually repercussions for the fuck we did. Exactly. I'm not like, oh, you, you, you, you bad. No, go back to work. It's like, no, no, you're fired basically if I recall correctly. It's like. Also, let's just know that the Empire is associated with efficiency and order order. Yeah, it's not. Well, the Imperials are coming. We could kill them easy. They're they're no batch for us. They're they stink. They're bad. Oh, yeah. Typically throw a banana peel on the floor and they will find it. They will trip and they'll kill themselves with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then we got like a series of shots of Cyril just sort of heading home, being incredibly depressed. He's lost his job. He's lost pretty much everything and soul because he was understanding design. Yeah, it feels like a world. It's so impressive. Like it's just him going through like these massive just concrete apartment buildings. Yep. Like these incredibly dense blocks, very little color making its way through. And he's yeah, he's heading home. It all just it's so deliberate. Yeah. We got time to really soak in what's happening with this character. Yeah, he's gone to live with his mom because he's not going to be able to live on his own anymore with the. He's in. He gives him a slap and then she gives him a hug. Yeah. And already it's just like, man, the Cyril plotline I expect to be very interesting. Oh, yes. Like by this point, I was super interested. It's like, what are we going to do with this character? It could he could go in any number of directions and I'm interested to see what they do. Well, once you've had this time with him and you know what he's like, the idea of seeing him with his mother. What is what must she be like? You know, what's he like at home? You know, just around what's his plan now? What's his plan? Yeah, how do you feel about what's happened that he tried to do what he thought was the right thing and everything just went totally wrong, especially when we know just based on the way that he was acting that that was like an important job to him to like fill out that kind of role in the world. What's he going to do? Which takes us to episode five on we go. We'll start with the Cassian plotline. That's probably how we'll do it with most of these. So he wakes up and his pistols gone. Gary, what the fuck? No, no, my pistol. But it turns out it's being checked by scheme. I can't remember who's being checked for like efficiency or something else, but still like just clean up kind of maintenance stuff. Shifty eyes on scheme though. Right. Just keeping them shifty eyes. Shifty eyes. But yeah, they have a chat about sort of what links them to specifically and scheme says you've noticed what I've got branded on me is the evidence of being having served time basically in more than one place, I think as well. And the reason he recognizes because he's served time as well. Nobody else has there. So it's kind of what relates the two of them. And yeah, scheme says the axe forgets, but the tree remembers in reference to great quote. Yeah, what what he the implication of course what happened to him. He's not forgotten and the Empire's to blame. And then in response to that, Andal says, so that's why you're here revenge. I love the response the scheme gives as that's good enough for now. Mm hmm. Yeah, especially knowing where it all goes. Yeah. So yeah, and then we he starts describing the team he says Namek is a true believer center is stone cold. She's the toughest one here. And we got the lieutenant and Andal says the lieutenant can be leading us to a trap like how do we know that's not the case and ski just says maybe that's why you're here. Listen, like you could be leading us to a trap fucking who knows this. This is a lot of it. If if he was leading him into a trap, it would have been sprung a long time ago. They've been doing this for months. There's nothing stopping the Empire from coming to grab him. Yeah, and but just to a degree. There's just some stuff you're not going to be able to guarantee. That's how it works. Of course, it sucks, but you know, that's the nature of the job they're trying to conduct. That we get we get acts introduced to this navigation tool that Namek is helping them use and he says it can't be jammed or intercepted. Once you master this you you're free relying on things provided by the Imperials have us forgetting freedom by design like it kind of cool the idea that you're provided tools and programs and access through Imperial like recommendation and advice and it's this this comes up in the next arc, but it's like a game and a framing you're provided by your oppressors helps to control you while convincing you you're given freedom like you're they make you learn tools and aspects that are under sort of their control instead of learning things that are actually giving you lots more options and freedom. You could kind of like relate this to the difference between like Apple and Linux like it takes a lot more work, but once you get like the core components and understanding of like machines down, you can do whatever you want. Meanwhile, when you use stuff that's like corporately approved and restricted, but still made with UIs that are super accessible. You can do you can feel like you can do mostly everything, but you'll find loads and loads of invisible walls and dead ends. You just explain it that that's the way that the tools work. They're much more complicated, but if you can learn the ones that aren't provided by the Imperials, you can get much more access to control and subversion and stuff kind of neat. It is. Yeah, it really is it you you get these Imperial perspectives and the perspectives of the Empire both sides going both ways and it's I mean it's really nice to see because remember there was once a time when a certain trailer for the Force Awakens came out and we saw like this that this beleaguered stormtrooper taking off his helmet and we're like, oh, are they going to try to make like stormtroopers a character? Is this going to be one of someone we follow and we're super excited and everything that just never amounted to anything was almost immediately. You know, it's just done away to deal with it and here we have, you know, just another you know, little brick on that wall of building a house that is kind of just a bunch of nice soft world building. It's getting people. In this case, it's a it's a cool rebel sort of POV where we get different perspectives on the rebellion and Nemek is very he's a he's a real interesting one because it's it's like yeah, he's very much dedicated and to the cause and he gives a lot of thought to his framework like his moral framework and his philosophical political framework. And I mean, it even reflects in the fact that his choice of tools is driven by a philosophical framework more so than a matter of utility. The like, I think that he really extracts a lot of value personally from knowing how to use. I guess you could say analog technology because he believes in liberating and in this and as we later come to discover, right? He's right. He's vindicated in his perspective to jump a little bit like the old stuff. His use of this tool is really critical to the success of the to the success of the mission. He says or scheme says he's right in a manifesto. Apparently the only thing keeping us from liberty is a few more ideas and he comes out with a line never that I love. He says the pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it. Like the speed, even though it's slow of the build up of oppressive systems, it happens in such a way that by the time you can even contemplate what's being taken away from you, the next one is on top. And yeah, it's which one there's another line like that later in the I can't remember exactly who said, oh, no, it's it's it's it's Luther and his big old speech in episode 10. Well, definitely something very similar. Oh, yeah. I was one of those ones where instead of writing down a quote, I just wrote down the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good shit. That was real good shit. I really like Nemek. Yeah, he's I found him super interesting. You know, he also gets provided special milk casts that he clearly thinks it tastes like shit. And then before he goes off to talk more about the mission, they're like, oh, you should finish your milk and he like tosses it out. And the part that I just thought was really funny is it sounds like it's sizzling on the floor. Like it's melting the I think I think it was. Did he toss it? Was there a fire in front? Oh, I think it was a fire. Yeah, I'm joking either way. I just find it amusing that like it's so horrible. You know more, you know, more like milk milk just melt through the ground. So yeah, I quite like the they basically tried to get information out of and or about the ship. They're going to be piloting without revealing to him that they basically don't know how it works. Yeah, I thought he realizes pretty soon because they ask him how is the weight calculated or something like that, but they deliver it as a sort of quiz question. Like, you know, you should know this, but then he quickly is like, wait, do you not know? They're sort of just like and like he explains how it's done. And then he's just like, you know, fuck this. I'm piloting. And then she says no, you'll do as you're told and he says you can tell him it's your idea. But if my ass is on the line, I'm getting us out of there. And I love that he recognized pretty quickly what the problem is. You can't change the fundamentals of the plan. I'm the leader. And it's like, yeah, fine. It was your idea. I don't care. I'm piloting. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not really like about Andor as he is. He is intelligent. Like Andor is a smart guy. You know what it is though? It's not like the writers are smart enough to write in smart. You know, yeah, I mean, we'll be we'll be complimenting that throughout the show because there's a lot of examples of the writers making some really clever decisions in terms of plotting that like stem through the character decisions. There's a subplot in particular involving Luther and the IS being like a sort of a almost like a proxy battle that we'll get to later that is clearly indicative of like man, the writers, they knew what they were doing. They had a plan. They're smart. They they crafted a scenario that's super interesting and all of the characters react to it logically. But I mean, in the case of Andor, it's just this is yet another example of many that will get through the show where like Andor cuts through, I guess you could say like the fog and the noise to just identify the core problem. He does that a lot where it's just like, no, let's let's get real. Like this is actually what the conversation is in this case being you. Oh, holy shit. You guys didn't even know like anything about this ship. All right, fine. I'm flying it. Yeah, he says like what the hell were you going to do if I wasn't here? And they were like, I would have made it work. Like, uh-huh. Yeah, would you? I mean, this is really good from a plotting perspective. It just gives them more reason. It just it just gives Andor a little bit more protection in a sense. It becomes harder and harder for them to have any reason to discard him from the mission. Yeah, like it's just smart, right? In setting up a scenario where it's like we know that all of these characters are going to mistrust Andor. We know that he's sort of gotten uphill battle in terms of being able to participate in this mission. What are we doing? It's like, well, if we imagine it like, I don't know, like a chess game, we've given him a couple extra pieces that just give him an advantage that protect him. It's just good stuff. It's it's well thought out clearly. Part of this plan is going to involve them pretending to be troopers for a decent amount of time. And so we get a scene of basically the ex trooper teaching them how to be troopers. Well, I think we don't know that he's an ex-storm trooper yet. Do we? Or was that something that I already mentioned it? So, oh, well, I already mentioned it, but but I don't think we find that out until later. So it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, that follows. Well, yeah, in retrospect, obviously it's just a benefit to the the narrative that he would be teaching them and he would know how to teach them that. Yes. And it's just it's I don't know, man. It's just like I don't know that that his discipline, like the training that he would have received as a storm trooper is still present. There's a lot of times where he's like, pick it up or, you know, like, you know, like get back to order. Yeah, get it. And then we get this really great moment where they're doing their practice in March and and or being the observant, like perceptive person that he is notices like, oh, we all hold our guns differently. Maybe we should rearrange the order that we're standing in so that we all have our guns on the outside in case ship goes wrong. And he's resistant to it at first, but he actually changes it because Andor's right. Yeah, it was clever. Good idea. I think we see a moment in Farrex where the control and the clutches of the ISP are getting more and more and even they they shoot it so that like the sector head is looking around and like men sort of like like troopers stomp by in a in a series of four and then they cut to the training sequence where it's happening. Yeah. Lot of smooth transitions. They definitely doing it deliberately. Yeah. The Thorne happened by accident. So yeah, we get pieces as well of the lieutenant setting things up over on the actual like base. We know obviously that he's on our side, so to speak. And he goes to the shrine where everyone's going to be collecting to watch the eye and there's just a bunch of junk there and target practice and bullshit. And he's like, why the hell isn't this been cleaned up? And the guys are just like, I don't know. I think part of it is to imply that they just couldn't give less of a fuck about the people who the cultural sort of native people here. They're just like, I don't care. This is their like sacred shrine place. They just got shit all over that just born. And they got that just one should shut that one. It's yeah. And like he keeps threatening. The idea is like threatening the soldiers in terms of if they don't do what they're supposed to do, then they will be refused from being able to see the eye. And of course, that's that's like a thing of you really do want to see the eye. But at the same time, it's like he wants them to want to see the eye because we're going to be busy that night with a certain thing happening that's definitely not the eye. So this is like a thing that's worth honing in on. We see it in episode five and six. The guys who are stationed here, they really want to see the eye. They just want to see people. They want to see it. It's this. Oh, yeah. Nobody. It's like absolutely. Yeah, it's they make a big yeah, there's there's a good. Well, it's just people to say you I want to see it. I want to go check it out. I want to go take a look like it's actually like we're seeing and something a little bit because there's a part where Lieutenant Gorn is like he's inside of the base in the area where they're actually going to like steal the ship and that they're talking about like they need to get stuff sorted, right? Because there's going to be like Imperial like higher ups coming to visit and everything needs to be like in tip top shape. And it's like, well, you guys got to clean it and like, you know what? You'll be clean it during the night and then I think the guys basically say, man, like nobody really wants to be like an old Donnie. It's not like a really preferable place to get stationed. But like it would really hurt morale if more people than necessary didn't get to see this this this event. Yeah. It's just these kind of things to humanize the people who were within the Empire. It's like, yeah. At the end of the day, they're like people stationed there. They're human beings who want to see a really interesting cosmic events. Like the fact that that's baked into it. It's just like it's relevant for plot like it's it's relevant in terms of the plot because like he said, Lieutenant Gorn wants to actually get as many people as possible out there because it's better for the mission. But it's it's just working off of the fact that the people who who are here would just want to see it because they're not automotons. They're humans. Well, and like there is Gorn scenes you find out Gorn's motivation is that he fell in love with a local girl here and as a result lost here and lost his promotion. Yeah. Like it's just discouraged to the point of being absolutely cruel. So he just he lost investment in the Empire completely. But it's not just that he is surrounded by people who just shit on the locals and they do a lot of it is relatively subtle in terms of like I said the disrespect of sort of like any customs or ultra landmarks. But you also have like he's like, how many people are going to be arriving this time? And he's like at one point it was as many as a thousand and he's talking to like the comms guy and you just like imagine five thousand. It was a bunch. Yeah. No, that's a different pot. I'm talking about one. No, I I don't mean that part either. I think here it was something like that too. It was a bunch. I think it was more than that. I could have written down. Lies. So I'm thinking of the other thing. Yeah, you're thinking of the more like no, I know that one was that number. But I also think that this one was a similar number. He says how many people are coming? He says don't know last time it was like a hundred a thousand and then he says can you imagine a thousand? Can you imagine the smell? And you could tell Gorn is just like that's great, man. Like yeah. And once you know his motivation it's just that it's all it's going to do is encourage Gorn to go ahead with the plan. Basically, you guys suck. I hate all of you. Like fuck all of you. Yeah, just further motivation to follow through. And yeah, we get another like there's this painting that's not finished and he says do it tomorrow night and then they're like, oh man, that's one. Yeah, like if we do want to see the eye, man. And then you can tell Gorn is like, all right, fine. I will allow you to see the I've got to get it done then as he's walking off he's like smiling because obviously the goal there is to make them invested in the eye as much as possible and just build this cover more and more. You know, just build this cover. Yeah. And then and or I don't know if he's like sleeping or if he's chilling out but he gets a knife to his throat and Skeen is like motherfucker, you're wearing a stone with 30,000 credits. Why the hell would you have that on this mission? Yeah, I'm a crystal. By the way, I find really abusing this. There's a good point that's made with all of this but at first just being like, I don't know if let's say we were we were building something together and I was just wearing odd colored socks. It's like that. What the fuck is that? It's like, I don't know. It's just what does this have to do with anything, dude? It's like, why would you bring this to a mission? It's like, I don't could be any reason. What are you doing? Why are you like, you don't really like Skeen hasn't got much to work with is kind of what I'm getting. Not really. No, there was a detail here that I rather like to was if you remember, how much does Lufen say that the, you know, don't sell it for anything less than 50 remember how much 50,000 and the guy says 30,000. Yeah, they both know it's valuable, but of course their appraisals are not exactly the same. It could also be that Skeen is going to low ball it for his own benefit in some way. I don't know. I could believe that. There's a lot of reasons why they could say that, but it's the fact that they didn't have them both have the exact same number. It's kind of like before we're talking about how Cyril said 12, 14, it's like, why did he say that? There's a couple of reasons he might have said that. You don't have to write that, but you did. It's a neat touch. Yeah. And so that scene is like the stone was given to him by Lufen. I can't remember if we mentioned that it was like a almost a down payment or deposit. Yeah. You keep this. You do the job. Give it back. You'll get your money, but I want it back. But the fact that I'm giving you this means I'm trusting you to stay here and do this mission and get through it. And what I like about the ending of that scene where he's like accusing him of being up to more flims than he's letting on is the leader is like giving the fucking stone back. You know, we can't deal with this right now. Whatever even is this. And as Skeen is handing it back, he's like, you'd be right where I am. Like, like trying to tell Cassian is like, we're no different man. I've noticed something weird. You would have pointed this out about anyone else. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing anything weird. Okay. Other castor says, yeah, tell yourself whatever you want. Yeah. But yeah, like this is something else going on and casting gets to point it out a little bit later says I'm here for the money. You know, take it or leave it and they're like panicking of stuff and he says the day before is always hard. There's so much time you can just worry and then they say what, you think we're scared? Maybe you're the one that's afraid. He says, of course, I'm afraid, but there's a difference between that and losing your nose. Is he a nerve? Yeah, that's right. If you don't want to do this mission, fine, but don't use me as an excuse. I really like that because that it's just and or call them out in their bullshit. Exactly. Yeah. And that's that Skeen's bullshit. He's clearly, he's got enough reason to think this plan won't work. So he's trying to find some kind of logic of why they shouldn't do it now. And we later essentially get confirmation with with Val. That's kind of an episode six of like, you are actually quite nervous about this. You might lose your nerve even though you're the leader. Yeah, but I guess we're jumping on a bit. Yeah, but we're almost done with the Ascian's plot line and then we'll reset. Yep. But yeah, the last scene I think for this is that Skeen says, all right, Val told me I should tell you about my brother who's farmer. The Empire came in and essentially flooded his land. Couldn't fight that and he couldn't bear it. So he essentially drowned himself and yeah, the Empire ever since. And you know, asking just awesome like what kind of farm do you have and he explains it and then he says that's as close to an apology you're going to get. Like, which I quite like the implication of course being like I'm on edge. I hate the Empire. That's that's why I did what I did. And what he says that's as close to an apology is going to get is like he pretty much is saying he's sorry about that and that's why it happened. Yeah. So we rewind. Someone else's plotline now and that'd be Cyril Cyril is sitting boy eating some cereal and chatting with his mom which is a visual we get quite a bit of this season to be honest with you. Oh yeah. Yeah. Before he goes to work essentially and he's still at home. And I I I can't believe this is happening. It is a conversation between a guy at his mom while having some cereal and the quality of the dialogue is so much better than it needs to be. Yeah. Cyril the way he kind of jabs at her and is a sarcastic Japanese other is great. Yeah. She opens with like being a leader isn't something you could just turn on and off. You might as well wear a sign that says I promise to disappoint you. It's like holy shit. Yeah. She says it would have been nice to see you when you were flourishing and he says you were always welcome to visit and she says any civilized being knows an open invitation there's no invitation at all. Yeah. It was a really interesting thing to think about and she says my assumption is you have no prospects for the future and he ignores that just as I had a spare room could have visited any time you want know that and when he says you know that she goes from that to say I know what you tell me I into it the rest I into it you have no future prospects so she just repeats the conversation she wants to have and he looks like so fucking depressing because I've forgotten the precision of your predictive powers because like of course he has no fucking prospects woman sipping on some cereal with us so that's a nice alliteration right there. We know the precision of predictive precision of your predicted powers yeah I thought you were talking about sipping on some cereal yeah I believe I have been no the predictive power I'm just complimenting the dialogue there I mean the dialogue and that seems really strong I thought I was saying something nice about you Muller nevermind it's okay well I'm glad you included that line absolutely yes just walking out for my friends was the thing and he says that which I really like is a subtle jab and her responses you've remembered how to mark me like then you know like she's she's getting annoyed that he's not addressing the fucking question she keeps asking and then his responses I forgot how sensitive you could be like you know like are you going too far with like there's like a second conversation happening at the same time as the first one a lot of the on the surface stuff being said is being ignored by both of them to each other and she says but perhaps you've forgotten my question do you even have a single prospect before you and he says I'll find a way you know she said she's going to ring Uncle Harlow and he says what for and it's to find someone to take you on and he says I bet a set in the bar hi are we it's we all have we all got that Uncle Harlow yeah it's it's the kind of thing where it's just like we just got to get you a job really matter what one it is yeah she says I need to tell you how wrong you were about Uncle Harlow and he just responds but you will what you will yeah just as a he never felt police work was your chosen path he's like because he knows me so well as whose fault is that and he just looks at her and says can I guess that line to me I was just like man that could either be commentary on how she's not letting him like set the record on anything she's like the position of power being that he's sort of crawled back to her means that she will assess his situation without even asking him what he feels about it what happened and so like she will tell him what the reality of all situations and all relationships is or is it that she is the reason that he's not got a great relationship with this Uncle Harlow guy because they come the conversation is very addictive the relationship isn't great yeah they're they get a long sort of but it's all under this you know understanding of yeah we don't get along and we get along but we don't get along and he a we find out that the conversation what did she tell Uncle Harlow she said what you went through was a big enough mistake to learn a lot from it's like if fucking it's just thanks it's not only that you fucked up completely but that you've you've moved on from it right you've learned a lot you were stupid you've you've developed from it right it's like but yeah Cyril is not in the best of places kind of the update for him in this episode pretty much which let's move over to just a just a scene in a Star Wars show where this guy that we kind of are interested in in his personality his character he's talking with his mom yep uh mon moth though we see her at home and her relationship with a residence her daughter is not good uh he keeps she's basically desperately trying to convince her daughter that she should be able to take her to like like the equivalent of school or at least on some kind of trip which is weird right like a parent shouldn't have to convince their child they can do that but the child that the daughter is really pushing back on it and she basically says to her mom you're only doing it for the like to look as though you're doing it like basically her daughter is cynical enough about their relationship that she believes the only time mom will spend time with her is to come across as though she's a good mom uh which is I mean the work you're doing already like we barely even know this character but you're already setting that her investment in politics and this a version of said politics is though intense that it's costier a relationship with a daughter pretty much can't believe that 40 years ago when we saw mom mothma for those two minutes I would be thinking man I can't wait to learn about her personal relationship with her daughter yet here we are and yet here we are and I'm like man I hope things work out but like when when the daughter makes that clear to her her response is that's so hurtful and the daughter's like yeah see it's all about you this is like oh God and the dad's doing nothing about this the camera hits him a couple times he's just looking around just like you know a lot of fathers will try and help heal sort of rifts like that but he's not doing anything about it yeah and he says when we're going to tell me about the new foundation and she says I didn't think you'd be interested was why she says well it's charitable yeah I just like damn tells you everything again and the husband can't remember the name of the driver he keeps having to be reminded of it just to me that's just like a sign of he just really does not give a shit about people of himself pretty much which you know it's possible to forget people's names but I think that's what they're going for with this guy so we get a little bit of Deirdre in this episode she basically says to a subordinate she doesn't really know what she's doing but like it's it's ultimately the pieces of information she has it's just too spread out to be organized and the guy says back to you don't believe that and she said well that's just the thing if I wanted to achieve this this is how I might do it and the guy says yeah it's too random to be random meaning that it's almost perfect in terms of how perfectly random which isn't typically how randomness actually works yeah everything is so desperately disparate like it's it's like it feels more so like it was planned which is a really cool way to give off a clue that things aren't quite as they seem yeah and it just shows that the empire is looking they're like yeah listen it's too random to be random I'm looking at this pattern it's just it doesn't check out the empire not stupid yeah they're using the vast resources they have and the network of information to figure shit out effectively and quickly like they're fast and then we get one little bit for for luthan as well guys little partner lady in the shop they run he seems a little bit desperate to get any contacts or information about the job on al dany and he says have you checked your walk away pack who is is part of it and she says I don't like seeing you nervous either they're going to be okay or they're not and he says wow that's a daring prediction like of course her point being that there's nothing you can do we're we're just going to get the result that's that's all that happens next yep yeah and she says like you wanted this to happen this is what it took he says I wanted it too much he says it'll all be over by the time we hit tomorrow and he says or it'll just be starting this is a kind of neat because this event arguably is the beginning of the rebel sort of the rebellion becoming more and more much more of a serious thing a very pivotal starting yeah moment which closes episode five whoa whoa well indeed so yeah considering I mean I sort of like a a pit stop right five episodes of TV it's the kind of thing you can settle into and just be like it's kind of a subject I wanted to talk about so a lot of people do you can be tricked into thinking this isn't even Star Wars anymore it's just sci-fi like it's a sci-fi you don't watch thinking it's Star Wars typically when you watch something that's Star Wars it's it's Star Wars it's it's a meta thing that your brain just can't really shake off yeah and here you just you forget that it's Star Wars so well so that's seen as both a criticism and a boon so perhaps we should go over that a little quick the criticism side of it being this isn't even interesting to developing the IP it's just a story that's told relatively well it's stapled into the Star Wars universe boo I'll take it I'll yeah because we've seen what happens when they try to move the IP forward yeah them is hey do you remember this character and this one and this one Oh do you hear the key dangle do you hear it Oh so good and everyone's like who was I walk I think for me is the first of all yeah you can like you can just recontextualize a really good story to just be a part of a universe and you'd be like is it really and you're like well it is now I don't know fuck it like as long as nothing contradicts right the thing is like this loads of Star Wars references in the show they're everywhere like all the location names the tool names and then lots of fighting the Empire of course the fact that yeah the core conflict is the rebellion versus the Empire for as much as it may not feel like Star Wars at points it is inextricably Star Wars yeah part of the problem for me is that I'm glad it doesn't feel like current day Star Wars because that is yes nothing should feel like anymore it's right I mean it's worth stating now even with the five episodes we've had how nice is it to just have a story that is exploring the perspectives of regular people we don't have any Jedi yeah we don't have any people with direct connections to like major players that exist in the you know the mainline stories for the first time and how long like for that's been asked for like ever since Mandalorian as a show like existed of just can we have a story about people just regular people living in this world and like stories that don't directly tie into the main one it's a universe it's a whole world brimming with like all these different planets and people and factions that we can explore without having to directly tie it into like Luke Skywalker it's actually the first time this feels like a big universe to be honest it feels big yeah it feels which is funny when we talk about the low stakes of a lot of the situations that one tie fighter is scary but it's it's expansive yeah because we have different planets that look different with different people with different viewpoints and not sand it's like oh great good stuff yeah I'm pretty much in the same kind of I don't actually see any problem if if it's being brought up to say well this is why it's not getting very far though people aren't very concerned to see because it's just a good story it's not good star war story the thing is I don't even know when the last time we got a good star war story was yeah that's the thing if if that's 40 years ago if if it has to include Jedi jumping around doing all kinds of like and just that I don't know guys we we need to expand a little bit we're in a rut with star wars this is the one of them thing especially at the point of a episode five it's just like man this is kind of I'm okay with this this is good you should encourage this much more than how I felt about anything to do with like the best of Mando or anything this um I don't even know what to draw out of Mando that I thought was that good I think that we said like we would complement the fact that it felt like it was lower down and more about the people but this is actually that this feels much more substantive in terms of that and apparently it's to his detriment like I said there's there's several channels that have that to be fair they had bad responses from their fans about how this sucks because there's no x-wings because there's no lightsabers because there's no force users like rules stop that's a shame that you would that's your bar yeah like I'm I'm all for you're welcome to talk to me about what entertains you and what doesn't but don't tell me like the story sucks unless there's lightsabers like Oh God please please we've had enough lightsabers and fucking force users like I just want to I don't want to explore different aspects of this universe funnily enough um one of my my only like things is kind of like a pet peevers I wish we had more POV characters who were aliens yeah every single and I mean and like especially like there's so many instances where it's all humans it's like we just throw like one alien in there that's like otherwise I'm pretty happy with like sort of a getting to see like representations of different sides of the Star Wars universe it's just that I wish we had a little bit more variety in terms of the the aliens but like I'm pretty happy with like the locals that we get to go to and all of the differences between those locations of course the characters themselves being distinct from one another just wish we had a few more aliens that would be nice yeah it's very very human centric yeah well let's talk about episode 6 which by the way changes its conventions a little bit I'm pretty sure it's like it's pretty much all set on Aldani it doesn't really yes go outside of it yeah yeah we begin with Namek telling Cassian he can't sleep and he asked why doesn't my faith calm me you have nothing and you sleep like a stone which is such a like says so casually because the castings made it clear that he's here for the money as in the prior episode but like saying that to him is like offensive kind of as it would be to anybody you have nothing it's like it's not you know it's just like well fuck you man I I do believe in things I just not like you know I'm not like you I guess my primary motivation and he says I write when I can't sleep I wrote about you or rather I wrote what it is to be a mercenary what is a mercenary's role in the struggle for freedom he says weapons are tools those that use them by extension function a functional assets that we must use to our best advantage the Empire has no moral boundaries so why not take hold of every chance we get let them see how an insurgent insurgency adapts it's like Namek basically trying to reconcile a moral quandary that he's had to grapple with because of andor that's what he's been working on figuring that out if yeah it feels weird when you're like we all believe in this cause it's the right thing to do let's let's bring in you and it's like guy who's like give me money and I'll do it if it feels like oh that doesn't okay and it's like well what if like I reconciled this will you you're like an extension of a tool essentially because you have no you know you have no cause you essentially you essentially represent our cause by extension because you're with us yeah obviously he's just trying to get it all straight in his head so that he can feel more comfortable with all of this and and or says the one thing you got wrong is the Empire don't learn they don't need to and he says perhaps they will tomorrow then Andal says be careful what you wish for is obviously referring to how like when you push they will push back they will push back and hard which kind of put some in line with Luthan as we learn later in particular they're kind of the same you know of the same mind recognize the same what's him in line yeah, they yeah, they recognize the same outcome they don't necessarily want it well, they have a different they have a different thing about whether they want it or not but they both know what's going to happen yeah, never because like so what you think it's hopeless to you freedom independence justice we should just submit and be thankful and I was at this point be curious like what is that I'm going to say and he says do I look thankful yeah that about puts it there his whole idea cast is that like we can always make things now we're able to live and eat and do kind of what we want like yeah I don't like him either but I mean really want to push him as that seems to be a lot of his perspective however he is here to do this job because it's good for money and yeah and and and he says like no but I'm glad you're here no matter the reason and he says don't worry you'll be fine which whatever that happens in any story of like don't worry character and who's dying is died the bad guys being all the ones at the bill stationy place they're having a little chat get to meet like the I think he's the common don't right big dude big chart big in charge dude essentially whatever the I forget his title who but it was done I can't remember very very possibly though but yeah he talks about I fucking kind of adore this speech he talks about how we can how they destroy a culture basically there's like how to manipulate and dwindle the numbers of like all the locals and he talks about how you have to keep throwing all kinds of offers and options at them without ever giving them what they're actually asking for gotta whittle them down over time make like smaller and and worse the concessions each time it's repeated until it's smaller and smaller and smaller and dissuade them with gifts sort of push back the refuse but you can always use that as a form of manipulation as well he said we offered a transport to move them from their locale to the actual spot for viewing the eye and they refused they knew they'd refuse and so they peppered the entire trail that's quite long that gets them from where they are to where we are with inns and taverns throughout their track and he said that they've reduced the number from like 1000 down to about 60 now and of course there's just a matter of you know it's a long track you see pals and just yeah it's just going to it's going to you know pick off the numbers here and there until it is a very peaceful way of destroying them gradually and that's the only intention that he pretty much has and talks about and he says yeah at one point they were as strong as 15,000 coming to watch the eye but they've managed to get them all the way down to almost like 60 now that's what I was thinking of I was thinking of the people going to the eye not the you know okay that's what I was thinking of and it's just it's just super interesting he's talking about and he says that this is actually the last year they'll be able to see the eye they don't know that but mm-hmm you're going to stop them next from going forward yeah and he explains all this right in front of Gorn who as we were told he's more sympathetic to the locals than the Empire so it's just it's and it's said so meticulously but it's just so evil a lot of it anyway you know it's like but said with confidence and intelligence as well this this commandant guys well they show us he has a little family and right actually the most friendly to them but it's still dare I say humanizes him he's got his own stuff going on nice stern parent you know he wants his he wants his kid to look you know really good this is important he wants to look good not just because it's good for him you know career-wise but because they're you know I want to be here yeah exactly this might be their opportunity to get transferred to a different place yeah because at the end of the day they don't really want to be here nobody seems to want to be on al dany no no nobody likes being assigned here and yeah so the the the locals arrive at I think Gordon's can speak their language and he says you look well for such a long journey and the responses may the I stay open long enough for you to find some good within you which is damn all right he says that to everyone it's just it's optimistic what I think is really neat about it is that extended speech of how they've manipulated these people they've got them and they're screwed it's all assuming they're too stupid to realize it but they know these people know exactly how much the empire of a press the fuck out of them and they're just doing what they can with what they have and that's the reality for a lot of these different things like the empire believes that they have the sort of the one up on a lot of people in terms of knowledge oftentimes they actually don't it's like a it's a big old chess game that's happening with a lot of these different factions and these were it's happening on smaller scales. Yeah, we find out that Cinta's back story essentially is a a trooper killed her entire family hence her sort of standoffishness and coldness with everyone bit unashary not a happy lady Nope. Unished Cinta Yumbo but the plan is coming along that so that they're like they're all dressed up as troopers and the idea is that Gorn is just going to direct them to be sort of moving the commandant while everyone else stays outside to make sure the I thing goes well and they'll have little Val and Cinta disrupt communications temporarily of course and while that's happening then try and conduct the the thievery finish how it's going to go yeah and I think when when the commandant arrives the guy says you may enter our temple peace to those who come in peace and the he said he says tell him our ghosts have strong hands and long memories which is such a like great little light it's just oh shit you are a you do not like the empire and Gorn translates it so to speak as may the I'd may the I find good in all of us and is so cool because the expression of the local guy he knows he lied which means he probably done yeah just it's good shit yeah I guess little things they didn't have to do that yeah that was necessary it wasn't needed arguably it's born's effort to be like I ain't fucking saying that like I'm not going to create any boat rocking at this point so yeah the the cooperation is done just to keep things that are peaceful enough level before they're gonna sort everything out permanently but this is being made use of by the good guys big old opportunity a big old distraction so yeah they head in and then the action sort of begins they shut the door and keep the guns on everybody but a a lieutenant pulls out his pistol in time enough to get it on Nemek I think it is and he makes one strict and quick demand let the boy go which I think is super interesting he's not demanding that they stop their whole operation just that they let the kid leave very human thing to say it's just you could of if this was maybe a Filoni production have him pull the pistol say I drink children's blood and I'm gonna kill you as well like I'm bad and then all the other troopers said yeah I like being bad that is good and yeah but his only intention is to save the kid and then he gets shot in the back by Cinta like I said kind of been told why she might do that more so that any other character but yeah that's just that's the first death already and it's not on a guy that sound strictly evil but you know it's kind of that's the problem that we have with the these environments it doesn't really matter anymore it's whichever team you're a part of you'll go down accordingly mm-hmm um obviously we don't know enough about him to know but still the family are now captured and though begins the big old plan is that the way the credits get them loaded on a ship and get out it's actually relatively simple the problem is pretty much a time is just doing it yeah it's heavy right the sort of ticking clock if you will is the discovery of the communications being all fuzzly and the comms guy does eventually figure it out and he grabs a bunch of all just to go down the area Oh well one it it's interesting too is I own to their competence and everything like when he first notices it it's you know coincidentally happens when the I is there because the reason I think it's the eyes because it's only where they are not all of the other outposts and everything it's just them so they think it you know it's because you know interference from the I and then as the you know Jammer fails he's like oh he's reported it once and now he's like nope still still on it yeah he does a lot of a knob fiddling right so it's yeah he's he's checking feels like he has put effort into actually discover what is happening here he's not just the way they often do it in in shows is kind of annoying is that if you disrupt communications the communications guy just sits and waits until it's not disrupted you know he doesn't care to do anything himself to try and figure out what's happening find alternatives talk to people which is obviously what a communications guy would do especially for security yeah he does discover it eventually but you know because obviously last open like the sort of straps that cover all the the credits the scheme walks in sort of shocks that there it is all of these credits that they're available there's just this moment where he just goes let's go like it's like holy shit there's all the money get it right now they've got it so that all of the men that were down there defending it are now being told under threat of death obviously to actually carry them out into the ship which is done pretty cleverly as well by the way when they enter the room they're like commandant on the ground everybody line up yeah as a good soldier remove and then it just convince it to or I get on you these who's okay wait a minute then I think even the comments on himself is like they've kidnapped my family please cooperate with him well he said they killed so they've already killed two or the one he basically they've killed the they've killed people before so they'll they mean it then they mean it they have killed someone so which is you know it's a good touch just like they mean business are being serious they will kill so as I was watching this by the way so but I genuinely had a bit of a concern of they make the command on guy move things as well he's pretty they've already showed that he's relatively fat his clothes don't even fit that well and he's pretty old and he starts getting real sweaty and I legit when I was watching it I was like that poor dude's gonna have a heart attack if you're not careful geez like well I got news for you so like the the communications man they finally come in they're like what the fuck's going on and Gorn is like this is classified get the fuck out of here call the dog back me up and he's like wheezing from all of the shit that he's done that he grabs his arm which is L tail sign that uh that boy's having a stroke and he falls over which um you know I'm not sure how I feel about it in terms of like is that is that contrived because it's obviously a very negative uh I don't think so um because I think incredibly high stress scenario very it's probably the most stressful thing if you're already of that age it can happen and plus if they wanted to have a way to essentially have him die or look you know bad they could they had a lot of other options it's not like uh it relied on it happening this specific way but I'm fine with it I think I think it fits the scenario his family being threatened his whole career is gonna be potentially over his life is being threatened he's being forced to move extremely heavy objects again and again again it's like for me it's like that's a lot of factors that to the point where I even thought when watching it it's like you know you could kill that guy you've got to be careful who are the actor maybe even yeah going all the way um but yeah fight breaks out and by the way going is shot like almost immediately and he's just out yeah that's it it's really quick really simple he's like one of the sort of main orchestrators of this whole plan and you just get shot and he's dead it's like well there you go so quick it goes and not long after that you get Val is pinned down behind an object and she shouts out for help and so Skeen does covering fire and the ex Stormtrooper guy tries to help her and he just get shot dead as well that's the end of him yep it's a lot of quick deaths very unsteromaniest yeah a lot of yeah and to the point where I think it ends up just being Skeen Val and S and Nemek left well she's not a part of this portion of the plan it was a keeping the only enough they had her keeping the family hostage which honestly is probably a good allocation of units because she's the one that's probably going to be willing to kill them yeah so yeah they rush in with what they have and and all basically blasts off and he does the standard warning to everybody hang on we're going to be launching pretty fast pretty quick and you know possibly all of storytelling they do a lot of strap in hang on sort of stuff I've said this to them they said to either bring your rags or some someone I was watching this I was so surprised I think this might be the first there's going to be other people who could reference other times probably but it's the first on my mind of a time where someone says like strap in or hang on and that person doesn't do it properly and they have lethal results right yeah it's the ship goes real fucking fast real quick and they get blasted across the room and one of them gets slammed into a wall and then the payload slams on top of that and it just crush him yeah crush Hispanic wait no Namek yeah yeah and more specifically it crushes his like spine so he can talk but he's lost the use of like the bottom half of his body. Yeah and he's in a lot of trouble but I mean that's the thing it's like this this operation pretty well planned they they and still things went wrong and people got killed and injured yeah it like it didn't go smoothly because it was always going to be a risky thing and it's kind of the nature of like saying that something is going to be risky if you say it's risky and then there are actually consequences that happen to the characters where things don't go well people do get hurt and killed it's like it really feels like it was risky that it wasn't easy this was hard for it and there were casualties lots of blood spilled yeah and of course it sucks for Nemek as well because he's uh he's he's young he's new to this he he's yeah like he's barely lived a lot of his life and and that's that he's he's been seriously injured one the sad part as well is that they're trying to deal with that reality but and or is literally like I need my navigator otherwise we're all dead over all dead yeah and Nemek in like I guess what like a real sort of Chad move gets his equipment and guides him through the eye which by the way the eye visually it's stunning awesome just all that it's an awesome sequence just for that that someone that's worth mentioning is that uh they drag him across the floor ready to get him in position to start talking for the navigator and she says I got to give him a med spike and even Nemek says no like so I'm assuming he needs to be alert I would a med spike is probably a form of adrenaline for sci-fi um yeah well maybe like kind of like morphine right that it's I'm not like my assumption is the it got it like pushed him to get him as in in his best form as possible because they need it they need every last second they can get of him while he's away my assumption is him saying oh no like no is is the the characters here realizing that he's gonna die and they need to get him as as right I say going as soon as possible so he doesn't seem too happy or on board the fact that he's like oh shit I'm I'm done on I like and this is my last move which yeah to guide them through the eye and yeah they do get through but fuck yeah the eye is gorgeous it looks right and they are chased by tie fighters and the they just narrowly get through while the tie fighters are like pretty much destroyed by the which they are warned about like the nature of this this I think it's not safe up here thing can share ships apart well it's because he's got his equipment that he can give them their flight path through it and I mean not only just get through and say it's a dangerous job mm-hmm and yeah how they get out of it and I think cast says is he still with us and a scheme says disappointed to the Val and I think this is a seriously interesting bit of character work we got here she's sad he's still alive because he's doomed to die in her point being it would be better to put him out of his misery a scheme sees that as a like you hoping more of a strap off so there's more reward of out of the split mm-hmm why do you think he would say that well yeah mm-hmm that's what we call projection but then that and or is like well no we got where's the doctor like let's get him to the doctor he doesn't know it doesn't feel like he weighs that up he's just like no that's the correct decision we take him to a doctor the decision which and that interesting that all of these guys judge in him like oh you're just here for the money huh and he's the guy who's like no we should get him to a doctor we should help them where where do you think Andrew learned it from yeah considering our you know what we know about him yeah you learned it from Luke Skywalker yeah we'd never abandon his family or the people he cares about he wouldn't dare but it's just it just keeps reinforcing that character right and or has a he's got a heart of gold there somewhere yeah deep down as we will yeah as we'll learn as we proceed in one particular way that I really like but he's a good guy at heart yeah before it continues like the the casting sort of plotline we just we just get this shot of loads of the empire and the locals enjoying the eye yeah together yeah watching it together is so on purpose oh yeah we're all fucking the same people they're all people at the end of the day and in the and in the wake of this incredible cosmic events all of the you know the empire this particular tribe like all of that just sort of fades away for a brief moment we're all unified in the appreciation of something natural and something wonderful yeah and man it's do the eye as well yeah there's the one where it's it's the wide shot from the side as the ship is passing like beneath everything through the sky it's so great it's such a wonderful show looking really good oh the show looks fantastic yeah the show looks great it's not just it's not it's not just that like the visual effects and the set design and everything seems to just be higher fidelity that like it's all better quality it's all leveraged incredibly are it's it's all very smart and interesting use of what I have we've got some really house the dragon I'm just like really cool and inspired cinematography lots of good shot choices a lot of good I mean it's it's everything top to bottom you have the you know the interiors and the the environments that they're in you have people just everyone's got different clothes on that's appropriate to where they are it just all looks you totally the designs really good nothing distracts you nothing is cheap and everything is like deliberate yeah it's all cohesive and deliberate like if the if the show should probably win awards for our for visual effects and for like production design set design good timing to right because we see a a Maz Canata person but practical yes that's right which are great that's cool yeah it looks it looks it looks cool a good job they did I was wondering how they were doing that too while I was watching it you know the way those arms move I'm like those are real arms but how yeah maybe but I'd have to see it again because I was just watching and thinking man that looks really good that looks so good it's almost like distracting how good that looks don't look it's so good but you're not you don't look like CGI or anything by the way in terms of this is what you can do oh sorry go ahead go go for it I just this is what you can do CGI and if you give your people time to use it properly and not crunch them a week before you want to release like can you know this like this this this show had a year this show had a year in post-production and a shot of the course of like several months and so should be and a half a year in post-production as well and about a year of shooting and something as well is that the the directors of the show each did like chunks so one director did one two three one director did four five and then one director did 11 and 12 and I think seven was number nine I did not know that dare I say they might have even talked to each other before they did well what what I just thought and something that just because I'm still thinking about the eye like how cool is it you set it up and you talk about it but nobody you don't quite know what it's going to look like yeah just getting built up is this really awesome thing to where once it finally happens it's really exciting yeah and it's pretty good it is awesome it's just a new thing that was introduced in this show a part of you almost starts worrying that they're not going to show us what it is just everybody appreciating its beauty off-screen and you're like I mean I get it but I kind of do wish I could have seen it to I kind of want to see it but then we get I really like the structure that they've and I mean we'll be able to venerate it and like talk about how great it is more as we go on but like having these pretty clearly defined arcs where it's like set up set up payoff set up set up payoff and then you know set up set up and then we'd lead to a payoff it just makes those payoffs more rewarding instead of like in again Book of Boba Fett where you have these stupid action scenes like a few of them in every single episode that are just nonsensical rather than ramping up to one big climactic moment yeah it's a really solid structure for this show so they try and get anemic healed up and it doesn't happen he dies yep but as he said as that's happening yep Andor and Skeen have a little chat and Skeen is like suggesting maybe they should knock out Val take the winnings split at 50-50 since that's a lot of money you can make us happy for the rest of our lives 40 million each and 40 million million each and remember Andor was getting paid what? 200K like 100,000 yeah yep and remember though that what he was going to get paid for the imperial like the the part that he got was 40,000 so just a sense of scale in terms of how much money that is insane yeah it's that's an important thing to you know reiterate the things he was willing to do for the 40,000 now you have an idea though he says that that's kind of a plan they should float and he says I thought you were a rebel he's like I am a rebel me against everyone else yeah he says what does that put me and he says well 40 millions enough for me to forget you is what about your brother they don't have one so that that story in was a lie liar liar what I really really like about that is that um this show is doing its job providing us all these different kinds of people throughout the world and this is a man took advantage of the fact that everyone has a story to just lie yep he's not here because he hates the empire he's here because he wants money but he's using that to come across his self-righteous the his dirty little shit and I think he and he's looking at Andorra he's like yeah we're the same buddy you and I well exactly and he says like you leave them because don't high road me you're only here to save yourself we were both born in a hole and you have to climb over someone else to get out and he says uh we set down we split the winnings and and as he's explaining this he gets fucking shot dead by Andorra Andorra shoot them mm-hmm yep it happens super fast too he just like flips it out and kills him I think Cassie's just done the calculus is like so this guy cannot be trusted by any of us it can't be trusted like if I even decided to cooperate with him anyway he's gonna stab me in the back if he's gonna do it to them why wouldn't he do it to me yeah if I hadn't been the one out here he would have been having this conversation with in a sense it's almost like he's screwed up he made a big mistake in terms of saying this and or because it's kind of funny right he identifies them as being the same but fails to identify that consequently and or might do that to him yes that he might actually like shoot him and kill him it's pure and of course he's also the thing with skin as well is he doesn't know what choice Andor's gonna make after having done that of course can't know right he's dead but like you know it's just interesting that skin made that mistake in identifying that Andor was like him he failed to identify that Andor might do something he would do oh yeah because he is like him but he's got actual values underneath his decisions that's the big these are made because he's selfish they're made through pragmatism yeah well Andor has certain lines he doesn't he doesn't want to cross yeah and then he won't cross he's aware of all of the and as we're about to find out this is one of them yeah it's like he he almost not the form of a thing it's the nature of a thing okay Andor looks like skin but he isn't like him at all not and a lot of their impact on the world could be similar but they've motivated by completely different things yeah Andor's reaction to the that makes me just feel like he's having like a fucking singularity going on in his head in terms of like so Plan A I tell thingy about what Skeena said here she would obviously want to kill him and he'd kill both of us so that's everyone's dead I go with him he kills me I don't do anything here but maybe if I kill him when would I kill him do I kill him when he's like not looking to I kill him at the sort of while explaining to him I disagree who's going to want to kill me when should I pull a pistol on him then probably fucking right now like it's now moving real fast in terms of like oh shit for every second that passes is the worst time for me to try and kill him and it's the only choice I've got left now because everything else leads to him trying to kill me but to move having killed him now an opportunity is being presented to end or one that he's wanted to take since he had to start the old Donnie like mission which is I can I can get away I can get away but how and I think that's you know when you're watching it's like he can get away but how how is he going to get away and with what is he going to take everything did he just help them still what's he going to do and didn't he just he got like a information from Skeen about a place they can go to as well right that's right yeah but and that's what Skeen was offering yeah but he does he does a Goodman thing and kind of a it's going to it's been a lot for Val to think about he pulls a gun on her and he says Skeen is dead which shit you're betraying us you piece of shit and he's like no he tried to kill you I want my cut and I'm going to buy the ship off Mr. Mazkin arctic man over there and I'm going to go you can have what is yours by which is really strange from someone who's betraying you if anything it's not typical betray your behavior no that it would take way less than he could have he could have taken everything he could have left her there yeah like he could have stolen the ship but he didn't he only took what he felt that he was owed essentially and was some of the really awesome that happens is that apparently Namek wanted and or to have his manifesto yeah interesting insisting it's like oh yeah and he ends up taking it right yeah yeah yeah he definitely takes it comes up later he certainly does yeah I just while I asked a question I was like oh no that you see that thing later against the yeah not just being a little so we got two well some quick moments that I really like Mon Mothma is making another policy clear and objection to one of Palpatine's policies in the Senate and she's basically being ignored nobody's paying attention everyone is being distracted by conversation or whatever and then she checks I guess her equivalent of an iPad for news and yeah the ISB are mobilizing pretty hardcore something heavy as fucking happened something you know something well Donnie yeah obviously it's it's gonna have huge effect I love this moment Luthan is just doing his usual shit and someone in the background says do you have anything from al dany that he actually looks fucking terrified for a second like why the hell did you just ask that oh god and then he's like over and he's like uh you know it's why it's like just in the news and yeah he walks to the back and just has himself a laugh he's like fuck yeah baby there's a lot of you can draw from his laugh especially you've seen future episodes yeah uh this is important to him very important they did it the job is done and so closes episode six and I think at this point I was like alright I'm in I'm in I wanna see how this is now absolutely yeah just kept rolling through four or five say I just watched them all I was like yeah let's keep it going uh it's kinda cool because this is all going to build up to Rogue one which builds up to a new hope right like this is all just building more and more foundations for the grand story that began all of this mm-hmm how it's so weird to think about right because it's like yes the Rogue one is about all the operations that lead to the big operation to take down the Death Star and then this show is all the tiny operations that lead to the small operations um kinda neat as an idea and and and it was always gonna be I think I said this to you Rags it was like uh when we when we would have been pitched this it's like okay you know it this is why you shouldn't do it this is why you shouldn't do it this is why it'll fall apart this is based on this is this is but might be good yeah I don't know yeah I mean maybe and for the first time ever our little it might be good it paid off yeah it's kind of there's a reason we say it look it's right here it can happen and was a Star Wars Disney show no less I know hope for anyone maybe what's the thing not everyone could I'll pull the Remy here not not everyone could be a great writer but a great writer can come from anyone from anywhere yeah in fact that that was pretty apt actually see we did it we found we found the Remy the rat of Star Wars it was an andor all along you bastard was kind of funny because I still have zero hope for any Marvel shows I know they seem to be made in the exact same way this I think that the reality is that like maybe Star Wars there's just more room for that to be possible because it's not as it's not as you know in close they get yeah I told you this before you need an artist to sneak in basically yeah he was just he just kind of what happened with andor a whole team of artists like talented creators managed to get their hands on the Star Wars project that's the real heist that's the real heist got inside of Disney but they're like artists who have a vision in their talent I know it's incredible I guess I'll take us to episode seven yes which I'm gonna top off my drinks I'll be right back looks like my notes here are going to put us through on we're doing Cyril first that is allowed okay go then Deirdra Deirdra of his is quite long actually then Luthan and then Cassian quite long yeah it's probably a good order to do it and let's see what everybody else is doing in reaction to the old on these stuff yeah huge element stemming from that okay yeah because the way this formatting works now is like seven is almost a breather of an episode in terms of yeah other we're recovering and then setting up the right at the beginning of the next arc which obviously the way this episode ends puts and on a very specific arc that everybody was talking about vaguely at least um yes if anybody knows anything about this show you'll have heard maybe that the prison part or something people refer to it that way right that's what I had heard about and the addition of a particular actor I actually haven't heard anything about it that was that people were gushing over but fortunately I I managed to avoid any specifics um so I got to I got to watch it for what it was noise yeah same well same for basically the whole show managed to avoid you will the thing is I guess I avoided a lot of spoilers because the fact that nobody's really talking about it um and it came out weekly it did it did its job so to speak as a show it just I guess I wouldn't have recommended it come out at the same time as one of the worst Marvel things ever put out that got loads of attention for actively attacking its critics immediately and shitting on one of the legacy characters immediately a show that is trying to claw back its reputation after it was destroyed by the previous like entry of the IP and actually impressed everybody and then another show that was trying to annihilate what is one of the favorite IPs of all time that hasn't been tarnished anywhere near as much as some other you know I'm trying to describe the three significant TV shows that came out at the same time it's like baby move yours is it's really weird to put for Disney to put out She Hulk and this at similar times like when you want you guys separate them out a little bit we're doing right I got you no content though holy shit well so yeah Cyril is trying to sort out is potentially new job and his mom says what makes you believe the bureau of standards is in the market for individuals and she's saying this because of the way he's dressed that's her way of making fun of his his choice of outfit he just says it's a brown suit and she says it's your interview says you're not just representing yourself today that again he just goes it's a brown suit Seriously I really enjoy their back and forth I like their back and forth a lot it's not even that much of it but I guess such a distinct impression of these two she says your collar is high every everything says something and he goes what do you hear my collar saying to you and she says I'm desperate for approval and I don't believe in myself that quite an impressive fucking mother to have I guess thanks though this encouragement yeah it's on the news the Aldani thing and she says they attacked a garrison and they're gonna regret it yeah that's the vibe but yeah he gets a he gets a extremely boring job in an extremely boring place and he's doing it for very boring reasons which is to gradually expunge his record of and he says I was punished for trying to uphold the law two men dead coworkers I I intend to have my records expunged and is this shot so fucking good in terms of showing his life now I'll train without that because I oh yeah yeah I don't want you to talk about specifically now this is him for the whole episode by the way this is like all they're trying to do is show us that he's trying to once again sort of climb the ladder do things the proper way but it's not something I don't think that he wants this is not the the method he wants to approach because where he was this is where he is now this is not at all what he wanted mm-hmm yep he is uh he is far from where wanted to be he's an absolute cog hehe all right we'll switch over to Deirdra the ISB plotline which is actually very significant uh we haven't seen them for a while but they're going to be coming back in and we open with everyone looking pretty stressed out and everyone gathering and uh a character called Yularen is giving a speech and what's the need about this is that the actor is uh he's not overtly stated to be this way but this is the kind of I'm not going to call it fancivus okay this is just how it should work he's on the um the senate or the council meeting in the original the new hope me and with Vader and talking this guy is on that table one of the like super duper higher ups oh okay it's a different actor it's they've recast him he's playing the same person um and I've seen people comment on this like this is how you do it this is the way it's supposed to do it it's the little things like how can we you know we have all these opportunities how do we make use of it how do we how do I mean if you're really doing it for you know the fans of the people who you know really care they might be the people who remember details so when they find these details in the show they might be like oh this show was really made you know kind of for me in a way yeah for those who aren't paying as much attention or you know just normal people they'll just be like so he's just guy in charge it's like oh they've managed to make it so he's not just guy in charge he's a significant guy that we've seen before even vaguely and that it makes sense he'd probably turn up here this is this is a significant thing that's happened the ISB need to do something about this this is a almost the entire point of their job but I've applied before the result of this is he gives a big old speech and he says the criminals responsible for last night's atrocity on Aldani think they've taken the Empire by surprise we know better we know the real shock will be when they discover how ready and eager we are to respond to be prepared to be here this morning and to know the only question we need to answer is how tight do we close our fist though you can already get a vibe for the Empire's response and by the way this is kind of like dare I say reasonable and expected other characters have commented on this but what happened when you've got like an entire network of security that spans a galaxy and you've got rules and regulations in place and then someone reaches them and steals from you when as far as you're concerned you're providing order and security what is the response like well we're going to put that shit to use yeah it's time I guess to teach you a lesson like why we're here and what the point of all of this is you can't just steal shit from us but it has the side effect of course of someone who doesn't even believe them to themselves to be that oppressive or to be dictatory and just whatever like they they enact all these like closed down plans it's going to have insane effects on lots of people that are going to be encouraged to possibly do some other things what would be his response to that it'd be like don't fuck with us we will put you in prison we will take your money we will take your freedoms like don't fuck with the rules they're there for a reason things would be nicer and peacefuler if you just paid attention got these very sort of stalwart and arguably arrogant members of these these higher up areas and they are insulted by the fact that any of this shit could possibly happen though it's obviously he's just going to push for things are going to get worse he says this is why we work so hard when we're at peace this is why we recruit so carefully and demand so much the following measures will be adopted empire-wide as of today a tribute tax equal to five times the amount stolen from al-dani will be levied on any sector harboring partisan activity will make it clear that no one steals from the empire the use of any local custom festival or tradition as cover for rebel activity will trigger permanent revocation of imperial tolerance I really quite like that line says obviously about the I yeah and that whole like event and just the it will trigger permanent revocation of imperial tolerance like we're chill with you if you fuck with us we will not be chill with you it's very simple a way of essentially saying yeah if you yeah screw with us we'll screw with you and he says I spoke with emperor palpatine last night and he's assured me that the ISP will be taking the lead going forward no one in this room should have trouble accessing army or naval resources in future right there it is that's a big deal it's obviously this event he's expanding the power of the ISP so that it can make things faster and more powerful the emperor will be convening an emergency session of the Senate to propose a legislation package of bills and amendments that will free our hands in all matters of surveillance search and seizure we will be invoking the public order resentencing directive later today E.O.R.D. becomes relevant later as well super relevant later yeah yeah all sentences to be re-evaluated and all debts are to be paid so yeah this is this is huge this is made an enormous impact dealing one sectors quarterly payment yep unacceptable so yeah exactly it's just it's just really cool to see you have pissed off the empire yeah they have to project strength and efficiency and so they cannot there's no half measures when it comes to that sort of thing we cannot allow people to think that they can do it and get away with it and they have to make sure that everyone hard very hard and so Deirdre is pushing forward and in the next ISP meeting she's essentially like attacked by I think is blevin is the other sector leader he says that well he wants to go after Deirdre for acting inappropriately and what's cool about it is he starts this all up and part of gas before he lets it continue is like do you think this forum appropriate he just says I do he goes okay supervisor Miro being Deirdre do you mind having your integrity ventilated in public she says doser I'm curious to hear his insights it's like I just like how it's it's he's basically like do you really think it's like a good idea to do this what seems personal thing in front of everybody and he's like yeah and he's like are you okay with him doing in front of everybody yeah he checks both yeah he makes sure do you actually want to do this and is this okay if we carry on because this isn't really the best place for it doesn't seem appropriate but if you're both on board you know I mean he I guess he has some level of like he wants everyone to be working both making a gamble is what it is yeah to this is a bold play for both of them and the consequences are significant you know depending on who wins and loses and so Deirdre has used the Imperial Emergency Act in the wake of Aldani to gather data across multiple sectors without official sanction and then she says but that is the wrong question I'd like to know if anyone here believes the rebellion plans its actions around the artificially constructed boundaries of our sectors obviously she's trying to say like the the way I will discover there's a rebellion forming is not going to be sector by sector it's going to be grand because the whole point is that they don't want to be detected why would they follow our boundaries why am I having to follow our boundaries when trying to discover and what's cool is someone else goes major part of guys created those sectors and she says as organizing principles not personal play things do you think the rebels care about the lines we draw and part of guys says you think the relevance of my work has been supplanted like like and then she says and she has a big breath before this because I think she knows this is it this is the big one she says systems either change or die so and it looks like he's impressed but he wants to know more and he says thesis please as there's a focused organized rebel effort to acquire highly restricted Imperial military components by accessing unfiltered sector crime reports I can now prove a link between the theft of our most secret equipment and its distribution to rebel groups across the galaxy and she says this is hard verifiable data she can present and that she believes blevin is aware that she has the documented file ready to go and that this accusation in the morning is more to do with his self preservation than any sense of urgency and he says well what's more urgent than a renegade intelligence officer and he said imagine if everyone in this room played as fast and loose with the rules as you do and part of that says excellent suggestion blevin I wonder would we be right now if everyone here showed the same endeavor as Supervisor Bureau yeah like uh-oh and to her is that ferricks is clearly of great interest to her and it's clearly become a distraction to you yep the really cool scene she worked her ass off she uh put forward quite a bit of that she basically said his system is old and useless and there's loads of holes in it and the the rules she has applied to her as like a unit operator is restricting her ability to even trace the rebellion and with all of the evidence and argument she's making all a bit you know breaking rules but there's just even if her motive were just to rise in the ranks she's getting results yeah and that's what part of guys cares about so he's like look if all you're gonna do is sit here and complain that she's doing more work I'm just gonna assign her to your sector and you can do something else and um yeah to me it comes across is really competent uh quick and very much character driven this is more than just the plotline of how everything's gonna roll out in the other sectors and everything this is characters that want to rise in their ranks of their careers he's such a career of sass lady that uh she's doing everything she can and she's found something something very interesting now she's got the access and the authority to be able to pursue it further she she won she's managed to pull it off yeah very good very good so we'll rewind once again move over to be up to just chill big L big L so yeah has a little chat with good old mon moth that she's popping in and I happen this is one of the several scenes in the show that I love she said because she's basically outraged this has happened the old Donnie thing she she believes it's him immediately that did it and she said I told you I'm doing everything I can in relation to getting more funds and he says your everything seem to be all about bringing in a savior to access your family funds and he says like I explained the risk of new faces but you seem to know better and it's that attitude he has and establishing that she's not moving fast enough or smart enough you like skips that criticism and just go straight to you realize what you've done like she's she sees him saying that as admission that he he did do the old Donnie thing yeah is he's pretty much assigned like a motive already several examples you have of this lady really selling that Mon Mothma as a character is terrified in her current position yeah the walls are sort of closing around as she's becoming more and more trapped oh yes she's clearly moving by doing the right thing sort of thing but she has a family she has her own life and she has probably it probably started as doing supportive things here and there but she's getting further and further and deeper and deeper and deeper and of course if she if she were connected to Aldani she'd be fucked oh yeah well it's like she said earlier in the in the season she'd be the first one to are to fall fall yeah what's really neat about this scene is that the driver is outside this time and so every time Luthan faces her and thus the outside he smiles and seems more yeah like floaty and fun every time he turns back to the wall he's stern and angry and his face drops every time always making sure that little play is keeping up it's not gonna go wrong really cool really fun good job nice effort on both the actor and the characters pot it's character building also just given still in Scott's got stuff to do yeah and I that nice and you feel good that he could be in a you know yeah show that is utilizing his abilities he says I warned you you knew this is going has anyone ever built a weapon they didn't use and I assume he's talking about the construction of like plans and different back and stuff but I just feel like it's a commentary on the the death star to be honest with you should you guys see the after credits scene of the final episode by the way no I didn't I didn't know the last one I didn't even expect there to be one that's what no I have not bring it did you say it uh I know I don't think so well you know what none of you should at the same time Oh okay it's it's pretty neat I'd say and it's something that if it was shown before seeing this season we would have been like meh go away but with this season it's like ooh okay all right it's interesting because it didn't strike me as a show that has an after credit scene like at all so I think a lot of people missed it uh I didn't need anything to look for it no over the last one was like okay right good I enjoyed that let's get out of here yeah and so she's she's complaining basically mon to him that this this has gone too far and she's like you told me we were just building a network and his response is what were my words like I like the aspect there of basically like I never lied to you like I may have done something that I knew you probably wouldn't like you should have fucking listened to what I said because I was gonna do this the whole time and he's like angry at the idea that she would imply he's lied like I haven't betrayed shit like I've done exactly what I said I would do and he says we need the fear we need them to overreact they've been choking us so slowly we don't even notice and she says he says people are gonna suffer and he says that's the plan you can't read forever oh yes uh that's as over this is gonna get luthan wants the empire to do more cruel more harsh things yeah because that's probably going to be the only way to get the the masses to join in and a lot of what I believe luthan's frustrations are is that he's been in this fight so to speak for a very long time and he's had basically zero tangible results in fact everything is still seemingly just moving toward getting worse slowly which is the whole thing he's trying to stop and so the al dany situation that's probably why he was so happy is that it means things are now gonna change and hopefully move toward the goal he has because he's uh he's been pretty toothless but this is like something that's super significant and so we've also be seen as a victory as far as he's concerned but yeah his his partner he person meets with Val and they talk about how the money is safe and that Cinta is he's on a job as well but that Val wants to know where she is and they're like receiving messages is just as dangerous as sending them she's doing what she was told we have a loose end the Cassian and or mm-hmm she said we need to find him and she says you mean kill him he says this is what revolution looks like but yeah damn so because Cassian is just sort of unaccounted for they need to kill him now because he has too much information yep which if we rewind then this all the way back to the plotline of Cassian in this episode what is he up to back to I think this thing we see him do I think is easy visits his mom he goes back to um yeah he goes back to find out this is where um you find out Tim Carlo is the guy who turned to uh turn him into the thing and like those are the stupid reasons but also um the Marvo says uh she was coming to warn you when he found her or tried to stop her to catch her I've heard both the corpos killed him like I like the idea that it's unclear on exactly how or why even died because who would like what what could even be said in terms of why he was there what he was doing she wouldn't know anyway bix right it could be that he was just there trying to help it but also like try to stop it from helping well and how many people you know actually saw it happen and what did they hear from one guy and what did that guy say to the other guy it's just realistic nobody quite knows what happened we do because we're the audience well and then the whole town would probably fucking hate him ah yeah because in a sense he kicks it off right yeah um and she says the Imperials are here to stay this time it's all come undone done and he says we can leave we can get out of the cold in the dark somewhere easy we'll pull out in the morning I just got to check him on Bix and then she's like yeah okay yeah morning I guess um so I think he goes to see Bix yeah she does she says people blamed you for what happened you killed you corpos and came here to hide and he says your crazy boyfriend tries to get me killed and I'm the villain I find it like it's just awkward to be because yeah like the boyfriend thing is so weak yeah yeah it is real lame should have found a different way to do that if that's what you wanted to have in your plot um yeah and he says to her if you ever talk to Luthan again tell him I held up my end of the deal and don't try to find me and we get a quick flashback actually of how his dad died it was the his dad recommends like just keeping your head down and don't piss anyone off just just do your thing and he tries to stop two guys from having a fight in at a bad moment and the stormtroopers basically execute him as an example seems like just super bad luck super tragic sort of moment basically is that seemed pretty chill yeah bad timing anyway in the morning he goes back to the mum he's like you're not doing any packing and she says that she's staying for the rebellion Pharex has become like overrun and that she's been hiding for too long and he's like you fucking nuts he says that for 13 years she's taken a long way around ricks road so that she doesn't have to think about where Clem was hanging like damn you know me like you you sometimes things like I'm watching Star Wars by the way yeah I don't mean that in terms of more child-friendly content I just mean God for so long I'm not used to the idea of a character saying they can't was like they they don't want to think about their husband having been hanged by stormtroopers yeah damn quite different then she says I hear about this attack if there are heroes brave enough to take on the whole Imperial garrison I'm brave enough to stick it out here people are standing up that just interesting in terms of you know a statement right in universe that an act of rebellion an actor or an act of rebellion however small it may be and he says you can't beat them and she says not if I run away hmm oh yes like would they yeah exactly you definitely can't beat them if you not going to do anything and he says I'll be worried about you all the time and she says that's just love you can't do anything about that like oh she says tell me you understand he says I don't and she says you will yeah yeah uh is his mom isn't leaving he's not sure what to do about that really though he has himself some fun he he's got his money and his gun and his resources all in this little like box and I think he rents out some room in some hotel for a night uh yeah I think he's having a shower and he puts it at the top of the shower like it is like a little I'd hide it better I would have hit the better yeah yeah so to be fair he doesn't need to hide it too well because this is a place he's going to return to in mere hours right it's it's not too bad that he hides it but it's a hiding place that's not going to work for very long is kind of what I would say more on that later uh anyway he goes for a walk and he sees that some guys pretty casually dressed to just sprinting away and there's a trooper chasing them he sees that and he's like oh jeez I'm gonna I'm just gonna I'm gonna walk in a different direction I guess and get out of the way he walks past another trooper who's like hey what are you doing um in a this results in him going to prison I hated that I don't like it at all I was like really after all we've been through you just walk to the store and some random imperial guy is like you walk funny go to prison it's like oh and it doesn't mean that that couldn't happen and that yeah kind of climate right now but but so lame so lame I was like really oh I guess that would be like that's kind of like the point right is that it's just it's just some bullshit yeah and he gets screwed over royally screwed over and it's just total bullshit but if something that can happen like that's kind of the point right it feels so it's it feels so like unfair and ridiculous because I think you can achieve it much stronger both the exact feeling but with a stronger story right so like what is being complained about here it's that our main character happened to walk past the wrong person at the wrong time which it's like how can we better justify that but maintain the point which is that they're coming down so hard at the lowest levels that people are now getting put in prison for literally doing nothing at all just looking the wrong way at the wrong time how do we do it and it's like well we've got enough to work with already right he's walking through this place looking shifty because he is shifty because he wants to make sure no one catch them doing anything so he's looking around all the time to find any possible threats if you have a trooper watching someone for a while doing that at a distance that's already enough to be like I might talk to that guy he looks so fucking shifty but we don't get that we get he crosses in front of a like a barricade type thing and they showed us the trooper right before he showed him he sees him for what's about possibly a second and a half before he says hey and it's like how the how the fuck man there's so many random civilians here what exactly clued you into this one in particular and if you said that's the point the trooper just randomly grabs people and says I hate you you're probably evil and then they go to prison it's like okay that's what I like so much about this show is portraying what I believe to be an oppressive government well not cartoonily I don't I don't like the whole like I'll just grab you and pop you in prison now lol it's yeah much more engaging to have it so that he's like that that one guy over there he's looking a little weird and he's dressed kind of similar to the the criminals that are running around and you just stop him be like what's your deal what's what's your name and you can have Cassian like be like oh fuck I've got to actually like get my idea in place I've got to remember my alibi I've got a and you can start like screwing it up and the guy can be more more inquisitive and then realize like we're going to take you in for questioning and then you can be like fuck no I give it like because he realizes like if he is it'll it'll result in worse things and then maybe tries to run and then trips up someone to have as well like much more than just literally I don't know man you're sweating though he's like it's a hot day and he's like yeah all you've been rutted is so weak which I have a pen but like as you know yeah you could have you could have used the reason for his capture to be something related to his personality and doors he got involved with something or he partied too hard and hit someone or he accidentally did something or anything but this is just like I feel such a such a lame way to have that happen I want to throw it be a cool piece of like irony to have it be that he's so careful that it actually gets him caught whereas if he were just treating everything as normally you'd have been fine like the efforts to almost try and come across his nonchalant actually make him look a little bit less that way and I think one opportunity right could be that he has that interaction with a trooper it goes okay and then as soon as that trooper is like all right fine you yeah you seem normal handle them backs up and gets behind like a wall to hide and peaks out of it just to make sure he's like yeah okay they haven't spotted me and then like you know the camera can turn and there's a trooper looking at him the whole time he saw that interaction and he saw what he did after and he's like what the hell like yeah what's what's your and what my point is of course he's like I'm taking all these efforts to hide and by doing so I've got myself caught like I think there's a lot you could draw out of that and it's really interesting and then the combos up with this oppressive system grabbing anyone and what the irony of course is that they've grabbed a big criminal by accident they don't even know yeah one of us wanted men in the galaxy and they just don't even really know who he truly is but yeah I don't know I think this is a case of that a noise the hell out of me but it wasn't done because they had no other ideas I think this was their idea like yeah yeah they want to make a point of like this can happen where you just get picked up randomly the other thing I didn't fucking like about this was that he almost dies for no reason at all and I think it's supposed to be funny oh you guys get choked by the droid right cause the droid somehow misunderstands the English of hang on to this guy says hang him it's like no we know droids are smart enough to understand hang on to him not hang him you're a robot you're smart you have a robotic brain they'll be stupid then he's like please tell him you didn't made hang me at a second what the fuck cause something I kind of like was the way that he's charged officially or all he did was speak like it's like um you know the public disruption disrupting like the operations of imperial come at like but you know the kind of thing where all I did was speak and they've managed to give me like four significant charges as a result that sound really like horrifying when you when you read them out that way um I like all that stuff I just I just wish it was more justified because I wouldn't be spending so much time on this if not the fact that this decides the story for the next like fucking four episodes while the rest of the season is very important yes this has enormous repercussions yeah all right that's that's episode seven sure is good stuff except that and but except that and but it's favorite episode but I still I like all of them with stuff of value in each of them yeah oh what I figure out oh did I miss out mon moth so sorry oh my goodness we can't forget mon moth but yeah I think you did wait no you didn't you talked about the same with luthan remember with luthan I was yeah and seeing she's got scenes of all right as a yeah so yeah she's trying to get help from an old friend and she says oh yeah of course I want to tell you something that very few people know about and he says personal political and she's like political he says I suggest you hesitate I've done more than grow weary of the empire you're with these people all the time and she says what you see what people say about me it's a clear picture isn't it I'm a polite sometimes fighting and failing to protect separatist do-gooders and battle empire overreach and irritation the lie and the person people think they know I've learned from palpatine I show you the stone in my hand and you miss the knife at your throat and being watched and I want that if everyone thinks I'm an irritation is a good chance they'll miss what I'm really doing the pretty good seed to tell you exactly how much she's aware of her position despite the fear she holds she is using the fact that she's being surveilled to her benefit she wants them to believe she's an annoying the last whole who has values that are different from the empire when in reality she's actually a figurehead in the rebellion you know and yeah she wants his help to raise money and obviously doing this as a result of what happened on all Darnie she needs to speed up everything now yeah time is of the essence you got to pick up the pace which means we can push on to the next S.A.P. PUDE somebody soon 8 W so Cassie's on his way to the prison that's that's the what we're going to be talking about it's kind of that's but the thing is like the prison arc itself is is going to be lots of fun to talk about so oh yeah that's how it begins this is an imperial factory facility he's been assigned labor worthy and the length of his stay has been predetermined on program means they have to have feet down hands on head and stay still and he says now those have been incarcerated before will be surprised by the calm sanitary conditions and our minimally invasive enforcement techniques well I'm sure some of you if not all of you are wondering how we risk standing before you without weapons it says a potent question and hopefully one we won't need to have answered very often and he just electrocutes all of them basically yeah law is the floor is lava electrocuted yeah and there's a lot of ways that it is used that is a psychologically crippling yeah I guess we'll get into more of that as we go but the the intro is that all of the guards where booties and all of the prisoners of barefoot and the floor will electrify at their command basically and there are multiple intensities and what they had which seemed incredibly painful was only the first the lowest level of the he is put into unit five to D which is level five of seven room two of seven seven tables per room seven men per table the seven tallies are the running shift totals of all other rooms on this floor you play against all of the rooms in the table the all of the tables in the room and I play against all the other rooms which is what Andy circus says and he says play and he says call it what you will the point of this conversation as you understand one thing clearly I have 149 days left of my sentence I have a free hand in how I run this room I'm used to being on the top three of all the levels you want to keep you will want to keep that happening I'm sensing you understand me it's a it I can't like do justice to his delivery Andy circus is just a great actor yes we is amazing we are going to be singing the prices of Andy circus for the next a while giving him an opportunity to play a character in the Star Wars universe after all last time he was absolutely squandered but here he gets to shine here's one of the standouts is which is presents exactly how great the performances are throughout this the show he's um this the the sort of specific and speedy efficient nature of this whole thing this factory prison and him and his introduction and how he gets everything in gives you a solid sense of like how he's a prisoner who's been molded to get all the other prisoners in high efficiency basically like what a clever idea on the empire's part to make use of prisoners and to the point of almost wanting them to like people to become criminals to just move them into these factories um because a question may be asked what are they building here um and that actually gets answered uh not sure if any of you three have figured out what the answer is though uh I didn't I didn't even think about it as there's just some mechanical parts for stuff well it's super interesting uh but anyway uh it's like crafted to perfection basically and it's all yeah it's a claw what yeah are they not they look like their claw like they have fingers and the fingers crap things not a claw but alright not a no I mean I didn't think it was a claw because it's been very solid after they put it together right well I think that they're they're just they're rigid when they're still but they could be given power I because I thought they had like fingers uh that's what I thought they were that they had like well like a like a you know a little robot claw yeah anyway making everyone focus like on the game that is being played so to speak like he said he was almost offended initially by referring to it that way but that is what it is and uh it's getting work done in the meantime and it sort of solves the problem of the entire prison it's this whole thing I mean I think we've explained enough of it to say what how representative it is of not a prison it's it's it's like it's an allegory for the broader like the Empire itself kind of like this system where all of the people are forced to compete against each other and consequently kind of like govern themselves to act in a certain way that is contrary to their interests but uh very much in the interest of the broader structure and the people who don't compete well enough of severely punished but at the same time it's like they've created a system that is in a sense self-governing all of like the prisoners you know it's prisoners who like govern the rooms and the prisoners essentially like abide by the rules and will compete against one another when the reality is that like the prison probably can't doesn't have enough staff to deal with all of them it's like a really it's it's this really cruel system that has them fighting against one another yeah instead of firing against this system that's oppressing them yeah you feel like with this prison arc you this could be like its own show you know this own little mini show that you watch like a you know it just it feels you know it's just it feels like this story in and of itself a story and a story Oh it's something huge has been running this whole time and it's a huge realization to those inside here once they realize more of what's happening it's like it's pitted all of the prisoners against each other providing like rewards and punishments based on performance against each other and it's precisely why they don't need greater numbers or greater weaponry other than the the flaws and everything because everyone's almost been convinced to focus on each other and sort of climbing over each other like crab bucket style because the Empire has has forced them into this position they've sort of forgot it's like do you when and or arrives like he's like baffled by all this doesn't really understand it but it won't take long before he's super invested in getting each of these components ready so that he doesn't have to be one of the losing tables that gets fried and instead maybe one of the winning tables that gets flavor in their food Oh yeah the fact that that's the the incentive for winning as you get flavor and if you flavor and you would like Jesus I know only do you get shocked but you get shocked with all of the other people around to see happen it's it's an incredibly cruel prison yeah it is it's a very it's a very it's a very it's a very it's a very it's a very it's a very clever clever system in terms of system in terms of maintaining control over the prisoners but it's like that's what makes it all the more just like reprehensible it's like the extents to which they've basically implemented psychological manipulation to get the prisoners to act according to you know their goals they say red is hot and two men in a cell is an instant fry which I thought was kind of interesting that means that you could kill someone if you really wanted to and you were willing to kill yourself I guess yeah I guess so yeah if you keep them in there long enough yeah you certainly could because they said instant fries like it doesn't even get verified I guess it's just the detection of two and you're dead Oh I thought fried was different I guess levels of yeah I suppose so oh it could be maybe they are saying that it only fries them as in like it doesn't kill them it punishes but I don't know yeah I would assume because it doesn't happen all the time well we do see a suicide as well don't we we do we do yeah where a guy just actually steps onto the electrocuted floor to get out of there and then the thing that's really shit as well is that some of the prisoners are like oh well that just makes it harder for our table like asshole now we're going to get tried like thanks buddy for making that choice rather than man this prison is really fucked up that when someone just yes like oh man he's going to be I'm going to be smelling him all night he's like and yeah he's like all over the shit are you you just don't care well it's just it's working right but yeah psychological manipulation of the prison is working when he says something like a killing yourself like that or railing yourself like that I got no sympathy for you or something like that one of them says you know yeah it's become so normal and so understood in terms of what you do when you do that fucking idiot what are you doing when it's like a guy has killed himself that's how hard it's gotten of course oh yeah and you find out the the the numbers the sentences all got doubled with the because of the new acts introduction to your idea find out what and or knows cause he's new right he's new and he's just got the outside that's the only way you get news is new people coming in and what exactly they don't know shit and your number triple your number you're in here till they don't want you anymore and he starts saying that and then Andy Circus is like hey shut the fuck up the fuck up and you got a distinctive pressure that Belchi is like this super cynical almost nihilistic prisoner and the Andy Circus as part of his job of being head of this like sector is to keep everybody from downing themselves morally go to keep everyone up right because everybody's got it exactly but then which is interesting because in a sense he's got well jumping ahead of it in a sense he's actually got it backwards elaborate oh you know oh well if people believe that we're never going to get out of here then that's that's gonna completely destroy any willingness that anybody has to do anything it's like well if they believe that they have no chance of getting out of of the prison that might actually prompt them to make a different choice hmm about that instead of instead of making them utterly hopeless it might actually spur them to do something yes something that they wouldn't do if they believe that there's actually a chance that things will get better as long as they do as they told they do have a couple of moments as well of showing down their team ooloff is is slow and oh he's yeah mm-hmm exactly he's an open he's having a bit of trouble there's also I think andle gets done with his portion relatively quickly and they're waiting on ooloff and just sort of like chilling for a minute and then the second he does anti-circuits just like oh just having a bit of a break are we and breathe and he's like we got a chance of winning the shift today be ashamed to waste it like he is he is on you for efficiency like it's not even close and yeah it takes the one episode and andor is pretty much fully in he's a cog now in this prison machine yeah yeah it's like a little yeah he's in that for a fade in it's like 30 30 shifts later or something and it's like yep I'm in here I'm I'm a I'm a part of the machine and he's he's working fast so let's get to the other plot lines well that's just just one one other thing in the beginning but no there's no wait is there racism or maybe a little bit no just when they first get in there you you realize that there's someone there that is not on his spot or in his place and it he takes takes a while to get to the entrance where they all arrive little little thing to keep in mind that's why I mention it hmm hmm so we'll pop over to Cyril first who's actually crossing over with Deirdre there's we both had our mornings interrupted because you keep requesting the Bureau of Standards data center to look for Cassian Andor who've claimed he was a missing fuel specialist an unresponsive engineer energy engineer a fuel purity field officer suspected of forging Imperial reports you've been here for less than a month and you filed five false inquiries and he says six actually and she says I won't count it this morning what are you doing Mr. card yeah he says Andor is a murderer and a threat to the Empire and she says yeah what isn't in Blevins report that I need to know and he says I have no idea I wasn't allowed to see the report and she says you signed it he says I was given no choice which is super interesting basically Blevins control over this sector was just done in this most simplistic and fastest way possible didn't even let the people who are part of the event comment on it and I imagine part of that was because heads needed to roll right doesn't want him making waves you'll just reported as he made those mistakes blah blah blah and so what's cool here is the Deirdre is like huh okay give him the file yeah let him read it he might actually have information that's useful that's not in the file smart very smart she'll take that lead she'll follow up on it and I quite I do enjoy the actress they cast her really well she's got what I would describe as sharp features for the role she's playing of yeah Ruth's son of a bitch sort of thing yes she I enjoy here cranking the intimidation when she's speaking to Cyril because she believes he's like an idiot with no leads she keeps like trying to like provide enough of an intimidation that it forces him to be honest about exactly what he has to offer and yeah the the report it doesn't have many of the details Cyril thinks actually adds a lot of weight to the event and he says alright stop filing requests and I'll inform the bureau of your efforts and assistance to the Empire and before she can leave he's like I was very good I solved a double murder and found the killer in two days I was overly ambitious yes but time was slipping away and the opportunity was real service to the Empire you just said it can one ever be too aggressive in preserving order gives you him I guess it was always the chance been a character that is dissuaded from the Empire's result of the events but looks like he's doubling down yeah like it yeah he wants the Empire to thrive he wants everyone to well behave almost we have these rules but I abide by them that's that's his belief and he's a yeah he's he's going for it and he says this is more important than the death of two corporate security guards I could be valuable going forward he says raise the alarm one more time and it's not going to be me you're speaking to though bit of a warning there he's he's overreaching beer yeah though she's in a meeting with the ISP and she says the star path unit was stolen from steer guard they didn't disclose its absence out of fear and it makes it impossible to discover the time of theft there are several examples of this taking place galaxy wide how interesting is that considering the attitudes in episode one that we heard about from the the lower levels of security where they don't report their murders as as they happened they don't report this that and the other as they happen because the record is much more important than the reality yep and it's now caused even more problems and exposed more almost corruption within the system she needs information like that and it's like oh we don't have it it's like why it's like because we didn't report it the way that it happened because we didn't want you guys to know we we wanted the official we wanted to just everything's fine it's just like all over the place kind of neat in terms of it it's believable I could believe that's how everything is being run and she is told to drill down find the truth that's what I've got for Deirdre for this episode which pushes us over Mon Mothma was having yourself some parties that absolute loser rich person gosh party loser serious business going on indoors in prison how can you possibly party at a time like this yeah but she's having a chat with the new friend and a husband and the husband wants a drink for everybody and she says no and he's like a Haman is working and she says as well there's loads to be done and I think it's the friend that says something like saving the Empire from the Emperor are we like and laughs and there's there's like a casual comment about because the husband's named Perry and I think like to remember him at 15 and he's like oh let's not he says the Academy fire brand how things have changed and he just looks depressed as hell and he looks annoyed and it's just this like the adding what little details they can to try and imply like she saw him as probably a very different he probably was a different person when he was much younger maybe in terms of lining up of what she wanted but at this point like we've seen he's mainly just filling out having fun doesn't really care about anything that's happening and then we get like almost like a boilerplate political discussion this the kind of thing you could possibly hear looking online these days let's be honest to some you have like Palpatine is frustrating yes but he's is is he too easily provoked is he overreactive and she says understatement this one says he says what he means which I could totally believe people being a fan of Palpatine for so like overtly honest right is the number of speeches in the fucking we want to get those he won't let him forget him oh and they go we're discussing legislation not speeches it's like what does he mean what is public order an awfully big box isn't it the Emperor's primary charge is to protect us is it not and that's what the PORD legislation will do and someone else says well how much protection is enough they said we know what too little looks like which is super interesting what does too little look like they could be referring to all different kinds of eras including the prequels to be honest in fact that's probably what they aiming for right they would argue that the maybe they talking about the Jedi who knows they want more protection or Al-Dani what do you oh it could be that as well yeah I don't know how we're looking at because I don't know if Al-Dani is big enough to have a sort of like a because when they talk about the Palpatine's choices of raising or lowering security the biggest one's probably his enactment of emergency powers right unless they're not going that far back I'd like to believe they want to incorporate a lot of this especially with how many mentions of his name there are and I mean the the timeline of how the Empire went from being from the prequels to the OT right that's like a fair yeah of course timeline to sort of judge it from but you probably at the beginning of a new hope right that the the Senate was dissolved by then yeah because the Death Star was completed yeah so they dissolved the Senate it's like yep the Republic is done basically the remnants of the old Republic don't need it anymore okay yep and I I have a feeling that part of that is they're going to possibly provide context with the seasons going on in this of like it's getting more and more difficult to control everything and so the Death Star provides that like I would really hope that they can give us even more justification for creating and using the Death Star we have because by the time that we reach because where we're at and or there was not like a huge organized rebellion but by the time of Raghwan a new hope they're organized they got like resources they got it's an army it's essentially an army yeah they attack on Scarif don't know they have a whole set of people they have a whole they have a whole yeah we have a line of if you're doing nothing wrong what's there to fear and mon says I fear your definition of wrong yep that's about it and you got someone saying these are dangerous times and so there's dangerous times are they not as do you feel under threat and he says here yes I'm at great risk of ingesting too much of this nourishing chandril and hospitality and then they all laugh I thought such a great touch they finally almost reach and a substantive part of their conversation and then they will just like chill often yeah it's all fine about it whatever because that's as far as the conversation probably ever gets is don't you think he's going a little too far don't you think that some people are getting punished where they shouldn't be ha ha ha wine wine wine now in the mouth talking a little too much too while it takes yeah we find out that she was in an arranged marriage at 15 as is the custom of I guess chandril and switch what she is and of course why she's with such a great guy yeah it's it's I they keep giving us bits of information about her and her husband which on yeah though as for this is the sort of Bix POV back in Fennix she's here contact for getting to Luthan Park I think his name is he's captured and he is subsequently captured with information grabbed from him and I quite like there's a moment where they announced that they want her and he's there and she's like oh shit and the the troopers start coming toward her and I forget his name you know his name right for any the bigger guy it's Brasso I think Brasso he he does a pretty good job of pretending as though he's accidentally got in their way he's like oh whoops ah gee gee gee gee I'm finnin' here oh trees oh god oh no I'm so sorry man oh gee yeah whoops yeah that sort of thing but unfortunately doesn't work start Bix's captures yeah and that's begins a real shitty time for Bix well see what's cool is we've had this buildup of Deidron who she is she enters Bix's story as like fucking Palpatine basically she's like this is really domineering and almost terrifying person she's going to be her antagonist so to speak and it's just interesting to see that we saw her like the first time we see Deidre she's just on her way to work right like she's she's just a person who's trying to rise and rise her intro to um the Bix is a person that's going to fucking ruin her life oh yeah she is quite scary running because she before they bring Bix in she's like no let let Park Park was his name right now let let him here I want her to see him and then as soon as she comes in she was like oh what are you doing get him out of here like pretending like it wasn't supposed to be like that's like oh you you bitch you know exactly what you're doing though yet we see Val she's trying to hang out with I'm trying to remember all the names the the cold lady who kills people from the team on I'll tell me the center into yeah center center yeah one of the cars bell yeah she she clearly wants to do fun things with her girlfriend style but center is like hardcore on the mission he said she has a line where she says I'm a mirror Val you love me because I show you what you need to see I was wondering if what she means by that is that um Val considering her values would probably want to be someone who is like 100% motivated to do everything like center is but Val isn't she's a little bit confused and then yeah swap over to the Luthan does she also say a line along the lines it's all the rebellion we just get what's left over or something like in terms of my time to to spend with each other I have fun at all I think was the implication I don't recall the line exactly you were along the line actually you've got commitment to the cause and whatever is left to us that is available that's what we take yeah exactly above the rebellion so yeah Luthan's getting a little bit worried and desperate because of andor he realizes he's a loose end that could really get him in trouble mm-hmm and he actually he goes to visit Saw Gerrera in this episode which is not necessarily something I really thought would happen but it's kind of neat it's cool to see forest Whitaker and it's uh this is going to benefit Rogue one intensely Saw Gerrera was like everyone always made for the facts like that guy seemed interesting pity he's fucking dead for like you but yeah it's like okay so we could have him I imagine he's gonna become more prominent by the time we hit like season three or whatever he'll probably be in a believe that chance of you I hope so like I said I really like him um it's cool those two sit down as clearly two very careful intelligent leaders of rebel forces and the first thing he says like so my friend the garrison at al-dani that was you that's like I was about to ask you the same thing he's like you'd never tell me if it was you uh somebody's sitting on some money and he's like if it was you I'd hope and you put it to good use and he's like would I be out here the cold if I just pinched a hundred million credits and he says exactly what you would do that's what is what you would do which to be fair probably would be right you don't want to show off but I don't want it and then he says like that's exactly what I would say if I were you if you were trying to convince me it was you it's working it's like let's just agree it was a masterpiece that he goes well now I'm sure it was you that's a fun interaction I like that I like people I like they're back and forth yeah and so he tells him you need to team up with Krieger and then he's like I don't fucking know Krieger I ain't doing that shit Krieger's obviously just a new sort of person we don't really know much about them anyway this it's more so what they mean to these characters yeah and he's like I'm not risking my people to join it with someone I don't trust and he says we've got a pull together we need the Empire angry coming down hard oppression breeds rebellion he says either of you can do this on your own but together he says Krieger's a separatist human cultists galaxy partitionists they're lost all of them lost he says what are you Luthan I've never even known and then Luthan says I'm a coward I'm a man who's terrified the Empire's power will grow beyond the point where I can do anything about it to stop it I'm the man who says will die with nothing if we don't put aside our petty differences it's so cool how much Luthan operates on his his knowledge of the meta so less to do with running on principle more to do with seeing what he says will have what result and where he should move different people in different words in different places and stuff because again all of those different groups that are mentioned separatists is just one of one of the ones that's thrown in makes you wonder sometimes because they did it in the in the battlefront game but it's just like could you imagine just a little a little group that's headed by one guy who has like an army of droids it's like a small one or something yeah detail if we saw you know all the the blasters that the battle droids had man you think the market would be flooded with those things to be finding those things they'd be like AK's you just find them all over the galaxies yeah I wish we saw them constantly popping up but would have been a great in the universe sort of reminder of the Clone Wars this massive explosion of arms on the market lowering the prices and all this you know cheap fire power getting out there it's really cool to have like one of the the bug people from very the the and it could be the implication being he's just like one of the sons of one of the leaders or something and he's got like two super battle droids as guards something like that I just be like oh that's neat you're keeping everything up to date while also adding in a bunch of new stuff because it's like the this is the transitionary period from the prequels to the OT and you have that in the you see clone armor turn up here in there the technology can match there's lots of remnants of the efforts and actions taken by events prior and it's just it's just cool to show an effort to mix the eras bit more but that takes us to episode nine nine nine starts to realize like holy shit we've not got that many left true eleven twelve that's counting bro I know thank you I've been working on that though we get I think we start with and Bix er the address going full on torture mode she says um you cast a wide net to the approach with them the empires to assume everything is a fish I take a more nuanced view I will tell you everything I know of this case and presume you will assist us Hark was brought in after being tracked through his radio he was remarkably resistant which only encourages further probing when we learned hardly what seemed like what we learned was hardly worth what he went through to keep from us and she says he attended a separatist meeting in which he became the pharx liaison and was provided the radio it would seem er the interest in his connection was in generating an outpost to acquire stolen imperial equipment you're in my net are you a fish or a thief which basically her whole speech is we're going to fucking find out the truth what he stopped us from getting wasn't even that like amazing in terms of information um you're our next lead give me what I want or a gonna end real fucking badly for you yeah give it to me or we'll take it from you either way and big says that you seem to enjoy this that she's it's like you're going to tell me everything and the reason that they know that she knows shit is cause Park has already told them and part of what I really love about this conversation is she says like tell me stuff and she's like I don't know anything you know the buyer we know that from Park and then she's like okay but I don't know him then she's like you've had six meetings just like okay but I've never seen him he comes he buys and that's that's it I don't I don't we have any interactions and then Deidre says six face-to-face meetings like she deliberately held pieces of information back to wait for Bix to lie first just like a really good make her doubt about lie because it's not working and it's just establishing to the two of them in that conversation you're a fucking liar like we now have proof that you're doing it and she says when did you last speak to Cassian because they believe that if they catch Cassian that leads them directly to Luthan which to be fair is why Luthan wants Cassian as well worried about that and she says the very worst thing you can do right now is bore me and she says you're not going to believe me anyway I suppose not and then leaves and well that was already intimidating enough but we get we get this doctor Gaust I think his name is was and it's kind of funny right we've come across this in so many stories the the torturer scene is like how did you guys handle it then what did you guys come up with and he basically just starts talking to it he says don't fear the restraints they're there to help you and it's like oh that's a good fucking start and he says Dysonites were killed as a result of refusing Imperial settlement and the missions were recorded for the sake of proof the recordings had an incredible effect on the officers viewing the event they basically went insane yep and he said like they've got multiple tracks and the sounds of these these creatures dying it can like do serious damage to a mental state of a person and he said we've isolated what we believe to be the children's sounds and those have a very specific effect doesn't take long but it won't feel that way to you um that's really quick and I was already just like what an idea for for it an aspect of torture in sci-fi but an evil bastard yeah what a sick son of a bitch he's starting long shill on it as well just talking about it like yeah aren't these little fun facts no not at all and my life yeah it's all about the strength of the dialogue Rex then he says let me know when you're willing to cooperate just shake your head if you're finding it hard to speak yeah I was like Jesus stuff like that it's like oh you know what you're doing well done good writing excellent job it's the light about that the line about the restraints and then just how they've at acquired this this torture device that is obviously so ethical stamp yet I think they said like this is brand new technology that he's trying out and it's like yeah because I think that if this went through every fucking ethical board it would have been denied and yeah credit to the actress when they hit play she like gives off a scream that's just like oh shit and it happens build up to the cream as well it's just great yeah and it looks like it's just got the power to pretty much break anybody and of course you got to be careful with introducing a torture device like that because that's you know there have been characters that were tortured in the future unsuccessfully so one of the ones that people reference would be layer right when she was it in a new so um yeah I'm not sure what the future of this this approach would be but it it seems to have an effect that could uh not be exactly what you require in terms of destroying the fucking victim but I suppose will see more of that at a later time um yeah and she says you got to keep her here and keep her alive she's the only one that may recognize access which is what they're calling what they it's kind of what they're calling luthan at this point so don't know more about because they don't have a name so they just branded him access and it's named him access it's done so casually but she just says uh I'd like to hang park show them who's in charge and some other guy just goes as you wish it's like man but he's just dead then like it's as simple as that that casual decision they don't even show it to us they just say it and I believe it's going to happen yeah well and it's going to have effects too oh yeah so yeah they say that the investigation was thorough but they have no idea on access which kind of make sense she's obviously seen his face but she can't do much more for them you know in terms of information she said the access runs a disciplined operation we have a list on all of the gear coming through ferrex he left and came back with money he had a beard and shaved sorry in reference to they're trying to make connections now with with the piece of information they would have gotten off Bix about Luthan they know it was access and combine it with the information they had from the Aldani thing and they're trying to pin Aldani as a part of it and I think part of guys is like that's a bit of a stretch isn't it the you know this this new and big thing that happened that also has something to do with this other investigation we've had running this whole time and that's when air her friend sort of comes in and helps he's like the man who did the job and Aldani was shaved and thing he had a beard but he did shave when he came back so it's like that's enough to sort of seem like they actually might be a connection and just to look into it but you may be asking why aren't they torturing Marva and they actually do cover that they say that she's way too old and frail if they did any kind of serious torture on it would probably kill her and so they'd rather user is bait they're going to have men on it keeping an eye on it for a while just in case Andal comes back to visit was to me feels like a pretty again smart thing probably what I'd do yeah if I if she was you know that kind of a lead is yeah just well later is a trap essentially if you know there's a really you know real possibility I'll come back take advantage of it but then something happens and it almost feels like like a quest event in a video game or something like it's just this thing has happened so they've captured her the the ISP have captured a red will pilot at a customs check they are it happened to be like a run of the mill check but it's eventually became something where they actually discovered he was she was gravel guy and through that he's a part of a plan to attack Spell House led by Anton Krieger so this is the guy who was mentioned earlier by Luthan who's this guy is a part of and they say if we keep the ship as much as we have this information it's going to become completely obvious that he was captured and then that that plan will not go ahead so they suggest destroying it and it's like well doesn't that still kind of raise suspicion it's like if this ship was destroyed then we sort of fuck with it to the point where the pilot died of like causes to do with like lack of oxygen or whatever and just let it float out so that they can find it it can be detected like fully confirmed as an accident and so the plan will likely go ahead and that's all like sort of sorted out as a back and forth between several characters and the ISP trying to come up with a good idea to keep the information they have while also coming across as though they didn't actually get that information at all kind of neat it is it really is neat and there will be more that over the next couple of episodes and it happens on both sides a little ongoing story yep but yeah that that's the the ISP portion of that episode good stuff I enjoy that those bits a lot it's it's fun like that you can a scene starts up and it's the ISP sort of discussion need chambery thing and I'm like yeah I'm like excited to see what they got I'm just like yeah let's do it it kind of reminds because I've been going for start right with Jay right and uh-huh we we when there's stuff like on the bridge that's happening and everyone is just doing their job and is competent at it and doesn't do anything stupid reminds me of this because everyone has like their job and they're doing it and they're being competent about it they get shit done it's just just good stuff just good stuff action and it's had effects on even the prison that we came across she says P.O.R.D. is the next step towards an unchallengeable authority I stand here to speak with open minds those of you still believe that when we speak here we are in a temple and uh I think she even get gets booed yeah there's some booed it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's kind of a it's really apathetic he there's a there's a mix yeah your daughter shows it address she's got and she's like your father gonna let you wear that and then she's like he lets me do what I want like oh man every every moment they get to spend on screen together it's usually just like does it this isn't healthy this is the good no really isn't and yeah she just talks to so yeah turns I guess this is a sort of reveal Val from the operation on al-dani is actually a on mothma's cousin yeah part of the same big old family and it's like oh schnizzle and mothma clan they sort of keep each other motivated I think is part of the idea but yeah mothma's losing her her edge a little bit and she even tells Val can you please be a spoiled rich skill for a while remind people that's who you are which is kind of an interesting thing right it's kind of the Bruce Wayne the Bruce Wayne Batman thing of like yeah you need to do more shit publicly where you're not you know we had things had disappeared and stuff yeah and she said we've chosen aside we're fighting against the dark we're making something of our lives and encourage you to keep at it and so yeah that friend that she's looking to have some help with her accounts for he says essentially like her accounts are very traceable and he said we need them concrete we need cash deposits to cover up like donations that don't have obvious sort of like obviously she's given money to help the rebellions but it's like where exactly the equivalent of like Imperial IRS are eventually gonna catch up with it he says yeah she has to be really careful that stuff doesn't get tracked and you know that they show some level of effort that this is a difficult thing to do and he says we're basically gonna need help from someone who's gonna be able to give us alone deposit back and sort of have the money accounted for so they need to rely on the help of Davos Skuld and he says he's not a banker he's a thug and he says the wealthiest thug which I liked as I go yeah and she says he's gonna know something is wrong if if we want a 400,000 loan off him and then he says he'll assume you want what's yours like basically you won't ask questions much beyond it he's just like it's it's plenty of people want money for all kinds of reasons he doesn't have to be rebellion or any so yeah we can move over to Mr. Cyril see how he's he's up to this episode he's he's having a bit of a bit of a chat with his mum again as goes and he says you've been searching my room again and she says it's called cleaning and he's like you searched my box I guess he has like one box as private as private as private box yes and she says I found you a job I press your uniforms I prepare your meals I move mountains to scrape you off the floor what do I reap and she has like that whole response and then he just goes I was talking about how you were spying on me yes such a real sort of like reaction and she said she says a shadow of a son a tenant a stranger and when she finishes that he just lifts up his cereal and loudly sips what is just funny and then he says I've been promoted and she just goes I knew they'd recognize your promise after saying you so shit like I said I enjoy the conversations this I think that's it for them now but it's still you wonder if it's just like you know she does you really know deep down she really does want him to do well and be successful or something but all the while there's this that they just have their personalities clash yeah and so Deidre's heading out of the building and he cuts her off and he's like ought to thank you for my promotion and then she says I gave you a clean bill of health at the equivalent like sort of bureaucratically and she says have you been waiting for me and he's just says yes I'm not going to lie to you and she says you stalking me and he says I come sometimes to see if I could see you I thought I had ruined my life but after meeting you being in your presence I realized life is worth living which by the way really not a good thing to say if you don't want to come across this stalker is how no no please this is go away this is a established level of charisma so yeah yeah pretty much he says I want what you want she says you're out of your minds try this again and I'll have you at a cage on the outer rib like which I would say takes us to the main old plotline or closing out episode 9 which is one of the first things we see is a laugh one of the team members is them his fingers are not helping them out there are no really struggling having a bad time but and was jumping into help him out yeah I quite like the one of the team member says come on old timer and then one of them corrects him and says short timer as if to say you know remember he's he's on his way out he's nearly served his time yeah then and he says it's like what do you oh they check it I think how many shifts is he got some like 40 or something yeah it's like 41 real close I think it's 41 and almost there think when they realize that but you know like the the guy who killed himself sorry the one that zapped himself the previous night and or looks at anti-circus and says so new man for them today right it's always the next day right and it's it's so great because the way this show does it is that they're telling you something but they're not making it obvious so and he like fucking glares at him or his name is Kino in this and it's like yeah why why is he doing that and it's like because he knows why Cassian's asking that question he's trying to learn about the system it's and of course Kino is like no just do what you're fucking told you don't need to know how many men maybe on this floor you don't need to know the specifics of when people come in and out just do your fucking job it's like because again he's been molded by this system to make sure everyone else is following the rules what's part of what's so clever about it is that like it's limiting any and all work the Empire have to do exactly and he's close relatively he doesn't want to screw it up at this point yeah Kino's got 217 days something yeah 200 something and yeah just about under a year and something they discover is that the elevator that brings in new people and anything that moves is likely not friable just by paying attention to how everything is working and of course the elevator as it's coming down can act at least of the halfway point as a way to step up to the higher level and we see and or is slowly trying to sort of a sore at a pipe the bathroom yeah I'm doing that the whole time because pretty thick and then late to see we see that there's a conversation being had by everybody and they established something I can't remember what the information is but Ooluf asks like he has like a rags Biden moment basically that something is established and then he asks for that information they're all like wait what yeah he's except when I do it it's just a test to make sure that you guys are still of course you know on track and you know it's a good thing to do for people yeah Ooluf's having a lot of trouble looking like he's absolutely losing it at this point and yeah just as more examples that Melchie says they could keep us here forever if they wanted it every time he says something like that at he says it's like shut the fuck up something say that the thing definitely nothing he wants to hear he's like no no no I'm getting out of here I've been working very hard but then something happens on level 2 on level 2 like oh and they start speculating and panicking and stuff until there's enough pressure that Keto is just like you haven't got a clue what they're saying you're panicking about something on the other side of the building and it takes days for any messages to reach us is your mind melted or something like he's just absolutely pissed off at them for even coming close to suggesting that anything is out of order yeah all of the way that it's all conveyed though where they're standing looking across and it's like sign language from different levels mm-hmm and it's like yeah I don't know there's like some commotion up there and then and then I think cause like the power goes out and then comes back on like five seconds later it's like um something right here and then there's the one guy who's like you know like so like there's probably just you know some whatever going up up top and it's like so they cut the power and then Andy circus I would just keep calling many circus it's it's you know I know Loi Loi yeah and he's like what do you think is happening which is like that's the answer right what do you think is happening up there and then it's right away it's like no there's something wrong on two and and it's going so fast that they can't even decide for the information and it's coming around on the other side as well like something happened on level two but like nobody knows what it is but it just doesn't seem good that the power grows out and the rest come back on and like you find out what happened oh yeah as you said this feels like it could be its own thing like this whole environment it feels like a whole story is happening yeah finding the truth of this weird facility you know the overall tone of that scene is just that the lights go off and on that alone is just like that's something's going on and I feel like the answer is going to be very concerning and yeah you're in you're as much in the dark as the as the the prisoners are you don't get any extra information you're right there with them he asks can you know how many guards are in each level and he says you want out alive turn that part of your brain off and he says why do you think they care what we're talking about do you think they're listening do you think they they don't need to care as long as the numbers are rolling as long as we're cheaper than droids and that we're easier to replace which I mean they're literally slave labor so I probably are cheaper than than droids yeah yeah because you know as prisoners particularly you know you get work out of them you know yeah they they eventually discover more implications of what news may have happened and you even get to the point where they're all panicking so much a keynote punches melchie going to get him to shut up and yeah we get to the point where they they're working hard again and they find out that you know it's end of shift someone's getting zapped sort of thing and they all need to stand straight sort of thing on program and it sucks but Olaf has a stroke in the middle of it yeah well yeah and the other prisoners are trying to like hide him and hold him up keep him up right to protect him but he's he's collapsed and he can't do it yeah yeah and so this they head in home and of course he can barely they just trying to carry him until they just they can't anymore and Kino comes in he's like come on you want to go a few shift left so you're going home and the doctor comes in and he's like he's he's only got 40 shifts he's he's tough as an old rock and those lines to me I was just like man it feels a lot like he's talking about himself while looking at Olaf like trying to keep himself thinking about like how I'm this is me like soon enough I'll be I'll be close enough going keep everything with the is that goal is that light at the end of the tunnel it's all going to work out right so the more men that get out under his sort of control the more it like makes him feel like his eventual end of getting out of here is is to be realized sort of thing and yeah when the doctor comes in and he says can you hear me brother like to the to Olaf and and Andor says his name is Olaf and he says I don't want to know his name the whole aspect with that is I do not want to get to know any of these people like personal with everyone yeah and he says he can't save him and then he says what are you doing says I can't save him I can't save any of us it's like oh jeez what is this do my doctor we brought in almost like I'm not really a doctor so much as the I'm the guy with the syringes in this little pocket and I don't even know what to call it puts people down it almost goes across though he's it's a prisoner that got made into the quote unquote oh yeah that's right I mean here's a prisoner yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah and he says you know they ask him what does he mean by what he's saying he says soon enough you'll wish you had what he's having and yeah he says a man was released on for and ended up back onto it got out and they killed everybody onto so prisoners the assumption would be that the way it's supposed to work is that when you complete your sentence you go out and you get delivered to a different probably place or they just ask them around yeah yeah I mean yeah when they when it flew in you see there was multiple facilities pretty close to each other I think and so yeah they obviously there was a misallocation and he got cycled back into one of these places which these places are built on the knowledge that you will get out eventually and so he would have been like came from completing my sentence and they put me back in and that spread like wildfire throughout the whole level and so they just killed everybody there getting out yeah they killed everybody and the episode ends with and or saying how many guards on each level and Kino answers at this time ever more well and more than 12 it's it's it's it's it's over in terms of him even trying to like it's it's done um there's they're going to escape they're going to try yep yeah Kino is is a character though it's all of his actions and decisions were based on an eventual freedom he's just found out it's a lie though and so of course he's gonna yeah he's gonna help him oh yeah and I guess that that rounds out episode tonight it's just it feels like because like it's just it's almost like you're watching a completely different show for a little bit the prison's portion yeah the prison thing I find it very interesting and the fact that it really constructed deliberately to be like a a sort of microcosm of the broader world it's it's really interesting subplot and of course have an anti-circus that's real nice saying it get into this yeah try a character in Star Wars that a lot of things but like in Star Wars he was robbed of that opportunity and now our character he's a goofy goofy goofball who is enter of it I think that smoke is the personification of the sequels he's this absolute bullshit clown character that implies a lot more than he actually is and just dies that's that's the summary of the sequels pretty much and yeah and he does a great job with what he's given us as smoke but it's you know you still get nothing of what the powerhouse that is anti-circus is and you get a lot more of it with this one especially in this episode which is more so the prison side of things and yeah not but something happens on Luton's end which is super good stuff so Oh it's definitely it is that thing but yeah we'll start with Cassian Mr. Andor actually no we'll start with Fenix because this is a quick thing we've as we know now there's a couple of people who are very shiftly keeping an eye on Marvel because they believe the cast will visit here at some point and that can be used to capture it more aware of things and the Empire even realizes but the one thing we find out is that the doctor is being brought in several times to Marvel we catch a line of dialogue saying that he's refusing to take your medication and I think that'll be interesting to talk about as a vellip however over to Cass he's trying his best to convince no loy of what to do next he says they're afraid and he's like afraid of what they killed a hundred men to keep them quiet what do you call that he says that's power and he says power doesn't panic which it is interesting because you know you'd think of if a hundred men found out about the truth on a on a level is the correct decision to kill them all or is the correct decision something else I guess the worry is that especially with those waiting areas that the word can go further than just one level yeah everyone doesn't believe in it everyone stops working yeah it could because we're like all right fine you know the truth we're called die like yeah okay but obviously the system they have going right now is much more efficient so that's probably why they they don't wait but yeah then Andal says another thing that again just characterizes them as a smart boy he says they can't be surprised again they need to they need what we're making here tomorrow will be the lowest the guards will ever be because it's only going to increase from now on after and he says you don't even have a plan and he says when they replace Oolaf that's that's that's when we enact the plan because I'd rather die trying to take them down than die giving them what they want Oh that's pretty good for motivation you know because like the alternative is you just work till you die and you give them get tons of resources that they wanted anyway mm-hmm obviously a line that can expand pretty hardcore into other mm-hmm so they head back to cells and everyone's kind of panicking about the reality like Oolaf is dead and Andal's not doing a very good job explaining exactly what's going on and Kino's just panicking until he manages to sort of settle up a bit and gives them a bit of a speed Shouts out no one is getting out man just the fucking face he has on when he says it yeah I don't remember it but mm-hmm it's so it's great great day not having a great day and he sells it this is the kind of thing that makes actors as far as it is like you know that he would have read the script he understands with the role he's playing and he has to come across as though his whole life has just been upended he's having an existential crisis and he has to gain the passion to yeah to encourage himself and all the other men to basically kill themselves in the hopes that they don't get killed this is this is an incredibly difficult portion of his life and having an actor to be able to portray that is what makes this believable man is uh is having trouble this um it's pretty much all of this is killing him but he's got to lead them because that's that's kind of his role the the one thing I'll say about this I there's a couple of things I think worth trying to highlight it might be for you guys uh I'll try where I can as well but mm-hmm everything that happens here is reliant on the fact that there's no audio surveillance or video surveillance of any kind and as much as the system is built with that in mind that they don't need it that's not usually reason enough to not have it no it's um I would count it as lucky they don't have it because obviously everything would have fallen apart if they were surveillance of any kind and does it hurt to have surveillance it's just it doesn't it surprises me the Empire wouldn't have at least a couple cameras you know this shit is that's some low-tech yeah the audio stuff I can that's the big one it's um the kind of justification I could expect let's say there was audio and video surveillance what our Andal could argue is like yeah of course there is for everything they're not listening to it though it's not like they've got people scrolling through every last conversation that happens here and someone said like oh you know you could knock out the the idea of an AI filtering through for keyways but even then you can just speak normally while giving off over a lot but you know that's something I guess I could find somewhat believable but even then they'd probably keep an eye on people after the event of the or two thing to see what people are discussing and I mean if the way around it would be to just have them speak quietly and show discretion yeah I actually think I would almost enjoy it more if they were like listen everybody just behave as usual and and everyone speaks a little bit more in code but not not like exclusively don't necessarily need to it's just that I'd find it more satisfying in terms of how this plan is run and completed if they actually subverted surveillance as well which is more than possible I've watched a lot of a prison break type shows they do they do all kinds of cool crazy plans in fact of any of you guys seen prison break the show no I have not no a song I might say a couple of episodes I would not mind watching season one again sometime because I remember enjoying the fuck out of the out of that season but I can't remember if it's bullshit or not that always seems to me like one of those shows that had a high concept that could get you a season but the more you try to track it on the more it would get and yeah there's a lot of shows like that season two is all about what they do next it's not like they break out of a prison it's just that they each of them have to survive now that they've all you know they've got the police chasing some stuff and then you find out there's more going on than just what they did and stuff season three they all end up back in a prison they have to break out and it's like oh of course that's a bit silly I got a prison break again of it's like a completely different though that's desperately trying to stay alive because of it I mean yeah that could be an interesting sort of case study anyway they seem to have engaged they're going to be doing a plan they're going to have to wait until the person's replaced and they're going to be doing things I I suppose I'm not sure how to do this I guess we should explain it piece by piece and then people can come in with anything they want to talk about but the plan amounts to and was going to break a water pipe in the bathroom so it spreads water across the whole floor the intention there is that when they activate the fry of the floors it'll short circuit and basically destroy the system and it won't be friable anymore that I think isn't based on anything they know they're just guessing that that's how it works obviously it could have been that that's not how it works it could have been that it just turns on and off and that the water if you're standing on it will make it so it's a bigger shock I guess I don't know yeah I assume that it would short out things I think I would have maybe preferred it being based on more solid knowledge because it's it's kind of you don't know that's going to happen it's a good guess but it could be something else happens you know like and it doesn't necessarily work that way or someone mentions it and they say well we got it's our best chance or it's our best all you need is the some guy is like oh yeah once someone spilled a bunch of shit on the floor and it stopped actually being functioning as a short suit you know you know just it's happened all the way and it's like ah we can use that that's the sort of ways usually build that sort of thing again I have no problem with it I just would have preferred it was based on something they knew as opposed to the whole plan centers on something we don't even know will necessarily work we just kind of hope it does but it does work and yeah when someone is being brought down as a replacement they and or jams one side while the other side is like still trying to operating once someone steps on it and that works as a sort of platform to be able to reach the higher up level and then that's pretty much it in terms of at that point it's just overwhelm them yeah a lot of people die oh yeah it's not a great time oh so yeah I guess what happens then is that they you know several characters we've met and understood this time they get killed with several characters managed to get through it a lot including and or of course they move through the facility and get to the command center at level at seven or eight or something and basically powered down all of the the floors and open up all the doors and tell everybody to get the fuck out basically yep I think highlights for me and just not to give us a big speech yeah just be just very cool yeah who the Kino loy being the the guy who guided them through being subservient is now the guy who's encouraging them desperately to fight back to rebel to get out to and not only that but to help each other exactly yeah you see someone like falling down and needs help pick him up pick him up work together yeah he says start climbing they don't have enough guards and they know it if we wait until they figure that out it'll be too late we'll never have a better chance than this and I would rather die trying to take them down than giving them what they want which is obviously a broader statement about the the whole conflict oh the empire doesn't have the power at that point to govern the whole like if everybody decided if everybody who felt that they hated the empire decided like no enough of this they'd win it's kind of it's kind of the reason why they're building the Death Star right that's their ultimate contingency but until that happens there was an opportunity to actually stop everybody what to realize that they had that power that there aren't enough of them to stop them yeah and I think it's really awesome but at least in the prison yeah it works super well what Andal said to encourage him to start fighting is what he uses as part of his speech he put it in there yeah he says they fried a hundred men on level two we know that they're making up the sentences as they go along we know that no one outside of you knows what's happening and we know now that when they say we're being released we're being transferred to some of the go and die and that ends today is only one way out right now the building is ours you need to run you need to climb you need to kill need to help each other see someone who's confused someone who's lost get them moving and keep them moving until we get this place behind us there are 5,000 of us if we can fight half as hard as we've been working we'll be home in no time this is a great speech for everybody to get ready to changes how it's not that great surprise he gets and do it yeah even even cast is like come on man you go have more than that and then delivers more and more and yeah and so they get to the the big old exit and that's when the keto says I can't swim which yeah it's I suppose more of a possibility and that will than it is an hours because you could have come from a planet that just doesn't have you know big that's of water I guess or much of it to the level of I mean lots of people can't swim on Earth like lots of humans can't swim well yeah it's just a lot about likelihoods it could be that when you're on Earth it's a little bit less likely I think when you the selection people in prison it's just someone can't swim especially because you can just be like is it is it easier or harder to float when you're like really fat I think if you fatter you got more buoyancy right like easier right easier yeah I think it's easier the part that I because I'm fine with him not being able to swim I was I was less fine with like the whole Andal can help him right it could be like okay well you can't stay here so you got to drop with me and I'll I'll stay with you and you know give you you can doggy paddle right isn't that like the thing that anyone can do when when you when you can't swim um I think it's probably one of the most basic semi natural things you could do if you're trying to not die in the water so that would be my automatic like things like you know you're gonna have to again can't stay here so jump with me and then we will uh we will get you in a position where you can at least not drown because yeah you can like yeah if you've got a couple people who are just helping them you're kind of lift him up they can they can keep him up but of course they just as the people who care about him realize he can't swim they unfortunately but I'm hoping that the really is just going to be that we'll see him at another time we're not going to see I yeah I feel like he's got a drive to say yeah he say like help about the point of here like please make Keenoloy join the rebel alliance please please please yeah that'd be really cool keep him around give Andy circus give him give him more time and then we get the vision and then we have a really excellent shot of the prison the symbol like from up top looks like the empire but it's leaking you got all of these are you've got all shit and then you make that connection you're right yeah all of the people swimming out it's leaking it's bleeding good shit is good well that's the thing when you've got great writing at conservative cinematography like this really well well I was reading I don't know if you guys know but be a McCreary released like a blog post on his inspirations and choices with the music in Ragnarok and there is this moment I was reading it and he says he wasn't a hundred percent sure of what his plan was for I can't remember if it was like I'll find or whatever place and he says and so I did what I often do and I went to the script I went to the story to find inspiration it's like I knew it of course is how it works because you and you couldn't do it for rings of power you were like let's look at the script what is this sludge what am I supposed to do with this I don't know what's happening yeah you're right writing is foundational and it can inform just the words on a page oh yes so let's have a look here we got that's that that's obviously Cass is out of that episode we got Deirdre we find out the ship that they were talking about in the previous episode it's been towed and I think they say like they're going to stay away from the whole situation just keep an eye on it and finally enough is a guy who's in the room and he says well no we should inspect the ship as that is the least suspicious thing we could do we should come across as interested in it but leave it alone and I think even part of guys like yeah good good good shout what's cool is the guy who suggested that is actually a mole oh my goodness he's working Lenny than luthan bump oh yeah bump oh shit here we go we'll get that and he's heading down oh yeah no no we're going to knock out gonna knock out Monmothma first which is she has a chat with that a Thugman as she was called it oh yeah I quite like this conversation again her performance is fucking top-notch she's so she's so harsh while being incredibly civil yeah she fucking hates this guy and he knows it too and he opens saying one of the indulgences of great wealth is freedom from other people's opinions and her response is you've made your point like it's so rude basically he's just like casually able to chat and she says like and then he says yeah everyone says you're very direct and and she says yeah he says I can get you money pretty much invisibly the money is yours and you know it shouldn't be something that tarnishes your reputation like thumbs up woohoo yay haha la la la and then she's like okay what's the fee he's like no fee no fee charity isn't it and then she's like I insist and he says I refuse well yeah it's like if there's no next line a lot though is what you want she says I don't want to owe favors he says that might be the price yeah aha so cool there's a the acknowledgement in the matter of when I don't pay for something that means I owe you and he's like yes so that's what it'll cost it almost feels like the words of folding back in on themselves in terms of following the conversation but it all makes sense we know what's being said here and she says come on what's the price and he says I want to come here again he's like yeah that's fine he says I'd like to bring my son and she fucking like she's looking like a ghost she's like you can't be serious and yeah she's already skipped to the part of what he's getting at immediately it's just it's I like that shit so much first I was like wow he must be a little bastard yeah he says I'm just asking for an introduction opposition sometimes make decisions for us don't they senator I love how much threat can be in a sentence that's so so so so so so and she says is that your only offer and he says yes then she says all right by that he goes okay about her she's like I'm not thinking about it it's like all righty and I think he says like that's the the first thing you said that's not true for yeah mm-hmm just seriously excellent acting throughout the scene I really like him a lot he's got this he he looks like a he reminded me of homelander just the way he looked yeah I just really liked is a and also when he talks to typically they're a very you know high-class people just the outfits they're also luxurious and rich people looking yeah and I think this scene more so than many we've seen with her before this felt like she was really fighting is trying this is her vision of it right like trying to make deals and move things around the way that she wants but also having to come across is pretty strong it's I'm hoping to see more of political powerful mon moth merges as time goes on yeah she's coming she's kind of running a Game of Thrones type situation while Andor is more of a action packed smuggler thief type stuff yeah good stuff on both of their parts and like I said it's it's a cool conversation because it's like two running at the same time yeah back over to luth and his partner basically says there was a mark on the fountain and I checked and the the thing is broken and he was like oh I guess we're having a meeting the implication being that that's how it's signaled that there's a meeting to be had with his informant being me from me the ISP I just I just think that's a cool way of doing it it tells me that they care a lot about staying secretive you have to make a mark on some fountain that she walks by each day to check and then once you check that you need to find out whether or not some object in some area near there is broken or not and she says what if it's a trap and he says if it's a trap we've already lost pretty simple and what's cool is when lemmy actually meets with them the first thing he says is if it's a trap press to 15 like giving him one last chance to get out at the time now the problem with this is that I like the entire conversation all of it every last piece of thing that says back to each really really like this yeah this is good stuff mm-hmm when when breaking down why dialogue is good and stuff right like whether or not it's a trap and he doesn't press anything and then he just goes first of all congratulations your daughter healthy and beautiful you must be pleased now because I'm so clever I was like are you saying that let him know he knows and the best not be fucking me over because I know you have a daughter and I can do stuff and then his first response is just is that supposed to scare me like like even the you know there's no you're not necessarily having to dig much out like even the characters are smart enough from the writer's point of view that they would pick up the subtext of sentences as well and that they've been doing this long enough he knows how this works and he says like you become a father is it off with mentioning and he says it's not fair you knowing watching me do you ever think how it might feel from my side and he says I think about you constantly is why we're here tonight others he said why are we here tonight but I was thinking about the whole I think about you constantly line is I think about the whole I think about the whole I think about the whole I think about you talking about how how you have view on me you are watching me you're judging me and it's like I don't think Lonnie realizes like you understand that every second you're doing anything my neck is on the line like of course I'm watching you like it's yeah the relationship we have puts me in constant danger like as much as it's annoying that I'm watching you it's like anything that happens to you affects me the yeah he tells Luthan about Deirdre like you you pretty much highlights her is like a problem because of how passionate she is he talks about what happened on ferricks that that these there's a link how she's registered Luthan as axis heart a gas even likes her and it's funny Luthan's reaction is oh this is good encourage it she's she's not even on the right track she won't find shit like oh then he keeps at the end of every sort of part of this he says this can't be why you're here and he keeps giving him more information so he's like rebel pilot was captured they know about Krieger's plan and Luthan just says well that's 50 men but you're worth more than that so we're gonna have to let them capture them or kill them and yeah you get a moment of this this Lonnie guy realizing like that's awful and it's like well what are you gonna do the reality of we've got how do you take care of like a mole is that you've got to be very careful about what information you end up using basically I think it was Game of Thrones actually came up with something that was cool for this right so the when Tyrion was in charge of a lot of things and things landing he you his plans were getting subverted you didn't know how so you had three people that he would tell the plans that he trusted and so what he tried one day was to come up with a plan and he told the three of them a different plan but who was going to be involved and then when the plan leaked he then knew who was the leaker stuff like that it's just really yeah yeah cool this is what I'm in World War 2 this is what the allies had to do when they finally solve the enigma code they had to use it in a very intelligent way and catch on that we'd crack the code and then you know change the whole system and everything we had to keep them thinking that we didn't know the code when we actually did just intelligent writing instead of being like mall give us all information you can forever it'll be great and yeah Luthan just sees it as like it's obvious calculus we can't change the plan at this point because we need to maintain you you are a great resource and the reality is that there's a lot of guys like I really can't keep fucking doing this I've got a family I can't handle this anymore and Luthan basically tells him you've got no choice you're in it now it's too late yeah you're in I mean you're kind of like Mon Mothman away it's like you're you're in this is a even as you say the words you know it's impossible we can't let you go we can't spare you we've been grooming you for too long yes you've been alone but your career has profited greatly from information at this point through sacrificing it's like it doesn't matter that he's a person that's that's done you're an asset now yeah and he says Krieger's men will die to make sure your daughter has a father you're trapped Lonnie there's no pleasure in saying it but you're not going anywhere and Lonnie says my sacrifice means nothing to you does it and then he says what what's sacrifice of you made what do you sacrifice and here we go yeah so good he has a speech that's pretty intense and it gives you everything you need to know about Luthan as a character and it was impressive not just again for the writing but also the delivery can't go wrong with with Stellan Scarsguard of course but this kind of speech maybe think like I could understand why he would be passionate about this character at this point in terms of it's a shame I thought he would have preferred running around naked at Stonehenge but I suppose I suppose this is this is alright I guess all the dark world reference right there didn't even I don't even know if you knew that's what that movie is from that clip I mean nope nope nope nope I that that movie is so forgettable that you can watch scenes from it and not know that it's from the door of the dark world yeah I guess he's probably sad he can't do that anymore compared to this Oh what a shame yeah I guess we'll go through his speech first and try and talk maybe a bit about what it means so says um what do I sacrifice calm kindness kinship love I've given up all chance of inner peace I've made my mind a sunless space I share my dreams with ghosts I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one conclusion I'm damned for what I do my anger my ego my unwillingness to yield my eagerness to fight they've set me on a path from which there is no escape I yearn to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost and by the time I looked down there was no longer any ground beneath my feet what is my sacrifice I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them I burn my decency for someone else's future I burn my life to make a sunrise I know I'll never see and the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude so what I what do I sacrifice everything you'll stay with me Lonnie I need all the heroes I can get fantastic we even begin he's basically explained he's not even a person really anymore he's like a player on the board he doesn't get to live a life and that's the sacrifice you have to make you're no longer yeah able to do anything human you have to do everything according to reaching that ultimate goal which makes you sacrifice literally everything honestly when he says like calm kindness kinship love I think he's just talking about do anymore yeah yeah not only can he not do it in terms of like that it won't allow him to achieve his goals he's kind of incapable of it how can he be calm ever like with the life that it's like all kinds of things that come into right like start in relationships you can't be doing that that you know that drag someone else in that's leverage against you and it makes it so you have more people to take care of just don't a good idea it's like making friends like was tough because anybody it's like yeah because if you if you look at the scenes we had with him this whole time he's either playing a role and curson as the the antique shopkeeper guy and has to keep that up and when he's not doing that he's somewhere in space doing rebellion shit and needs to put on another face basically was like I'm that hard as that that needs to get like I think it's like the only character we don't really see like main characters that we don't see having like an actual like home like a roommate children is always like on on the clock always job yeah it's always on the job I think you're right you you pretty much just always doing something that in it's the empire of the rebellion it's a quite stressful situation I would say when he said it's an equation he wrote 15 years ago so he started up in terms of trying to subvert the empire in different ways and there's so many lines in here that it's so interesting to me like his who he was then set him on a path that that person would never have to deal with the results of yeah exactly that's a different person he's gone the the the the the the course that he set upon has Chris turn him into somebody that is totally different from that person the person just doesn't exist what they wanted so the seeds for his own destruction in a sense but he didn't know it until it was too late and now he's stuck he has to stay committed to this path so he's got it's everything now he's got rid of everything for it that's another reason why he has to continue and yeah this the that that very eager will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude like a lot of what would even make him praise worthy is already gone from all of like the horrible decisions he has to make including about kreger right now it's like 51 men are dead just because and I could save them but I'm not gonna yeah like it's that simple and yeah like what when he says I burn my decency for someone else's future just like he's going to be making all kinds of horrible decisions using the tools of his enemy destroying his own soul so that they can be a better world for better people people that have the chance to be better than he is and it's I mean it's a few he's not even going to see that future he probably won't make it and what's weird is I actually saw this there was a post I think it was the more subreddit like I hope they talk about this speech in and or and I was just like oh yeah obviously and I checked all the like comments that was against it and it said it was really hard to listen to considering he's talking to someone whose daughter is in the cross here is when he has nothing like that to sacrifice ah um the whole point is that he can't even generate a life to sacrifice it's all gone it's already gone there's nothing left except for him to continue to be alive to achieve his goals that's it if anything it benefits him to try and remain as detached from anything emotional or human as possible cause it makes him better at his job and that's part of the realization he's destroyed everything that made him human and the whole goal is to create a world that's better for humanity so this is what makes luth and probably my favorite it's it's he's a result of trying to make things better it's like almost fucking ghost of a person yeah he he represents the element of gray that exists in this conflict and the and the cost like the real embodiment of the cost not just in terms of you know like I guess more overt obvious things but his soul that is just like yeah he's had to sacrifice every aspect of his being for this goal and I mean he's he might not even get to even see or like when I say good work I mean the the positive outcome of the of what he's doing of like trying to free the galaxy as like he said nobody will remember him that like that nobody's gonna sing songs about him he's just gonna be forgotten it's a total sacrifice of everything that he could ever have will be which is almost of this goal something we know to be true because yeah luthan's not brought up in any of the future content obviously he's a new character but they're gonna build it presumably so that when he dies it's gonna be I would consider it quite an important moment however they're gonna kill him because he's obviously not gonna make it ultimately like what what exactly how do you spend a life like that you need to make it so that he does something incredibly significant that has just no coverage at all and no one will ever know about what it was probably that's probably the kind of death you'd give a man like that but um yeah the I share my dreams with ghosts it's like that line yeah in with ghosts and of course the I burn my life to make a sunrise I know I'll never see it's just a a different version of the plant the seeds to tree you'll never see the shade of sort of yeah yep yeah uh if it was unclear he basically feels like he's already given up everything and he knows he's doomed yep he'll do what he can and and I just love that it finishes off with him saying I need all the heroes I can get because element to make all of this worthwhile that's that's how the episode ends out pretty much and that's 10 out of 12 10 and it is one of the one of the best episodes of the of the show yeah it's good stuff there's too many payoffs too many really awesome payoffs it's um it's the kind of thing that revs you up to for like all right how the fuck is this going to end is mm-hmm is you know you just got the prison escape we've got ratcheting up with the I ISP this thing with Krieger and then Luthan making this whole speech just like what exactly is our two episode finale going to do to sum up all of this and well I guess we'll be about talking about it but since this seems like a natural point we're at six hours 20 ish minutes so nice long fab since we got two more episodes to go but I'm afraid Mr. Fringolius won't be able to maintain this because I do really like this show and there's still a few things left in the last couple of episodes that are that are worth delving into but alas that won't I don't get to before you go do you want is there anything you want to say in relation to this show or maybe how you what you think of it overall because I mean we're 10 episodes in so it's not exactly going to be shocking to anybody about it now well like I said at the beginning I really really like it I suppose the more interesting thing it's one of the best star war stories one of the best like in general even taken you know like away from just the Disney Star Wars framing is one of the best stories that they've told in this universe it's super interesting and as well realized like that the script is so it the script is very strong even though obviously there are some plotting issues here and there but like the work and attention that's being given to character isn't is really time in Star Wars where we've got to really delve into characters and especially tying in the arcs at all of those characters are being sent on all of which are very disparate into some central themes that are really compelling I'm just very impressed by it and having now finished the show you know the the whole season I'm I'm like I'm looking forward to more and or like that's that's like a corner of this universe that I'm at least looking forward to because elsewhere I don't care anymore like I don't expect to soka or Mando season three or any like I'm not know it's just but this this isn't a League of its own compared to all of those other it's inspired it's like it's a real story that you had a bunch of creators who are passionate and talented working together and using all of the resources that are available to them with like an IP like Star Wars the money the talent visual effects set like cinematography that they were able to leverage all of those tools and great actors as well like it's worth emphasising the performances across the border really great and there are a few people who were excellent and all of that's been leveraged in service of a story because they had an idea like that they had a story that they wanted to tell and wouldn't you believe it it was like yeah it's it's it's the most interested I've been in Star Wars in a long time but it's mainly just here like it doesn't it don't extend elsewhere Mando season three is up next and I'm whatever it's gonna but I mean it will be back to that other form of production where we'll be like aah yeah we'll just have to wait for another couple of years just waiting for and or fingers crossed that they are I mean the fact that they've said so many times they have a plan for the course of like several seasons that's the kind of thing that gets me optimistic especially given how deliberate so much of what happened this first season was it goes far as saying as well this shows the lack of bias I think in a lot of people that Andal had everything against it everything possible and yet it's slithering through a lot of people saying like well no actually it is good like like you know like the idea that there's just no standards you just hating on Disney style was forever like there's so many people who've said like well no Andal's different and it's clearly different like this is very evidently different even in those first couple episodes we're sort of there like even before the first episode was done it's like you are you're different like there's just like a caliber of writing that's just better there's the first mean there's subtext like book of both bed and it goes beyond that like it's worth emphasizing that you have this huge ensemble of characters and they all feel distinct and it's it's it's um it's the script giving them a voice and then the the actors being able to take that and to forge all of these characters who were distinct like Cassian is not Luthan who is not Mon Mothma who was not Kino like it's it's it's just everybody everybody feels distinct they all feel well characterized by time but nevertheless we get to explore a whole bunch of disparate perspectives on the rebellion on the empire the state of that galaxy it's it's just a refreshing I'm I'm a big fan I really really enjoyed it it's the best Star Wars thing in a long time in a long time longer than longer than Disney Star Wars oh yeah the best Star Wars we've had in 40 years well careful rags that's does it beat the beat returning the Jedi the question as I think return to the Jedi hinges so much on the the last of Yoda and Luke Vader I mean I would that that's worth a lot it is worth a lot that's the thing the thing that like it's like Empire blew the doors open on like Star Wars as it exists right now doesn't exist without Empire yeah um and return of the Jedi delivers a lot of really great routes and there's also the fact that those are films and this is a TV show there's more time how do I factor in the air what they achieved with the time that they have in a show versus a film you know hmm I'm not sure it's hard to say I don't want to but we're it's actually something to think about like it's not yeah because it's better than proof by the way like pretty obviously and the fact that Disney made it but it's like a thing that emerged in spite of being Disney Star Wars that's I think that's the only way to describe it it is so different in terms of how they made it clearly and what it is compared to Boba fat Mandalorian and Obi-wan Kenobi that it's this it's it's this outlier I mean amongst Disney Star Wars it doesn't give me any indication of any like optimism for any other projects that they work on and the hope is that there is enough recognition at Disney that people like this and and that this is quality that they're not going to interfere with it and be like yeah man like you could have had more viewers if you through and like you know if you through and like some recognizable Jedi or some other character because you know like imagine damn I can't I'm just really happy with it I'm I'm glad it exists it just it puts a smile on my face we've got something that's actually taking itself seriously it there's a story that they want to tell and it provides us with a lot of great characters through which we can examine this universe big old fan I would recommend it yeah is your recommendation yeah yeah well we will talk more about that once we get past the next two episodes but we'll have to see you the next time for free by the way you need to talk about the really cool touch that there's a video that talks about the opening title card and the theme because we haven't talked much about the music but I really like the music in this in this show I you too I like the theme I'm a big fan of that one well I mean you can I say it now if you want the the thing well so there's a YouTube video that compiles that if you every single title card for Andor has it's the same theme it's it's still his theme but it's always different different instruments different intensity themes together and and like all of them slot together to create this brand new sound it's it's so good that it had to have been deliberate it's so good that it had to have been a deliberate choice but it's like that I can believe that that attention to detail exists but yeah like it's it's just attention to detail across the borders it's just like a way to describe Andor for for whatever floors that there may be that's neat in everything fat but that at the end that's cool it's like a Pokemon yeah Andor good that's it me Merry Christmas yeah yeah everybody out there and yeah next time have a good chat about more of the Andor stuff you'll like it but but but but he goes and now it is honest to bring it home all right so but I don't know who's gonna be tired tomorrow nobody gonna be tired you got the power of Andor behind you or something that's right you have to sacrifice everything though again the order in which I'm trying to do the events of episode 11 a sort of a little bit jumbled but we'll start with we find out Marver is dead and yeah the droid sad just freaking out he's super sad and super perfected by I don't know I actually felt kind of bad for him if I'm from to the the droid he's he's not able to handle any kind of stress really you see that throughout the the whole show he's just constantly upset and all he ever wants is for people he likes to be around that's it yeah yeah as we'll soon find out and so he's not handling the idea that Marver's gone since he's probably with her every single day forever yep yeah that was pretty sad and they say to him like you know you got a you got a to pull together be the daughter of Pharx require your assistance that's gonna regard something soon enough we'll find out what that is in the next episode but anyway Cassian's plotline he's running from the old prison and they come across two aliens who are fishing and his friend says if we just sprint for their ship we can steal it because they'll be too slow to get to us to stop us and Cassians like that's kind of an insane plan and he's just like let's just do it and so they're like okay and they start sprinting but unfortunately for them these aliens have devices that are designed to capture things that are running I guess and is interesting they're like slimy nets basically yeah it's it's it's just it's just slimy nets there's known there's no other comparisons that we should even have to make is what you might be about Oh my goodness gracious they're kumnets kumets so yeah that's really fucking unfortunate then and then the aliens are like they come close to seeming as though they might kill them but then they're like nah you chill we don't like the empire either in fact wherever you're going we'll help you get there I don't know man I was just like and okay moving on yeah that I don't know what it is like I think there's enough references now to be like you know we'll build in really loving it character top notch theme on point what are we doing now a lot of they don't know how to connect the larger set pieces to each other in terms of the stories do they like how do we get the how do we get into the prison arcs like he gets captured okay how does he is how does he move from the prison arc back to like the main arc in pharx aliens just give them a ride yeah after he gets captured but not really and the funny thing about this is that it's not that hard to write sort of you know easier to digest and more consequence level writing for the connecting pieces this me feels a lot more like a cop out just um because these aliens are kind of interesting especially the way they speak is very unique but they just very like it for a moment there it's like oh you made a really bad decision almost die but then it turns out you're not going to die you're in fact going to get everything you need like okay all right yeah it's the connective threads for some of these little plot lines that need the work yeah and then he uh Cassian goes back to that little apartment he placed he rented out I guess and there's two people in there the two aliens yeah and he sneaks in while they're sleeping and grabs his little care package nobody found it I guess nope and it's kind of crazy that they didn't find it because yeah it's there's loads of credits in there and the gun and I imagine like maybe even fake IDs or whatever but just yep that looks like man just just a cleaning person just going around like I'm going to clean up there today it's like oh shit what's that it's super easy to find too yeah you can see it if you walk in the room it's not as well hidden as you might imagine I'm trying to get a good shot of it actually uh yeah anybody rented that place out or person cleaning it you're right yet they would they would find that shit and he's not hasn't been here for a while though yeah I don't know I just thought that was awkward and very lucky uh yeah so then he uh he contacts the guy in ferrex the controls transport and stuff and that's where he finds out his mom's dad rather unfortunate of course uh he tells the dude he's with got like stuff to sort out but that dude says like you know we have to tell people people have to know about this uh people just don't know what's going on in those prisons but they they seriously need to and he says we should split up double our chances and uh casting gives him a bit of the credits I guess to help him out credits and a gun and a blaster yeah if they go I thought it was interesting by the way there's a shot of casting staring out into the uh the ocean with the sun I was like I'm pretty sure not what he sees before he dies in Rogue One looking out to the beach yeah I'm pretty sure that's the visual and so I wonder if the idea here is that this is the moment where he's committing to being um a rebel basically hmm mm-hmm everything he's he experienced in the prison and then he's committing to go back to to Phoenix and he and his goal is obviously to see Luthan as he does at the end of this show so I imagine that's the idea that visual being the book ending the start and end of his rebellion sort of thing not sure I'd have to I'd have to look into it further but I could believe it because this show and it does that sort of thing yeah I think it's deliberate you know that probably is what they're trying to do um alright as for Deidre she says they're asking for also and tells that they're asking for send off for Mava they want a funeral but they already know that they won't be allowed he says no no allow it put it in a box and keep it full coverage it's a she sees it as a big opportunity to debate but yeah a net so to speak which I quite like again I think that's a good idea if I were here I'd be like yep that's probably what we should do big smart as for Bix her mind has basically been scrambled by the torture and she looks awful yeah she's not having a good time feel super bad for her I can't imagine just getting session after session of torture of the manner of listening to children screams of a variety of alien that makes you insane not fun and she's entirely expendable they don't give a shit about it and help her feel bad for it and they ask her if Anton Krieger is the one that is axis and it's not that even look like she gives a clear answer but of course there's not much they can gain because either she says he is which is a lie or she says he isn't they just continue looking for axis yep to lose lose the way for her yeah it's not like she gains much yeah Val uh Luthan because she has information which is that Cassian's mum has died and this event like Marva dying is making everybody realize like who wants Cassian that there's a good chance he's going to be showing up for her funeral mm-hmm it's a decent bet but there's a lot of people around um and then over to Mon Mothma here her daughter's doing some weird cult fleaminess um nice I guess it comes across as cult fleaminess to us because we're not familiar with the culture but she says it's something to do with the elder a traditional cultural thing and Val is like what the fuck like oh she's she's taken with it she wanted to do it so here you go um and she explains that uh she was essentially like fueling Luthan's different operations but that uh one of your ledges was off balance and so she needed help and after Al Dany her accounts have essentially been frozen um and so Tay is the guy she hired to get help and he's discovered in her accounts that there's way more that's a problem than just like one account in terms of uh what can be traced so she's basically explaining to Val why she did what she did that she's found a solution mm-hmm yeah and then there's just another because there's so many examples of it uh the daughter turns up and she's really excited to see Val but she like gives a little glare to on Mothmer as as walks up you can see like this is just happy environment she loves her daughter stuff but yeah this uh even even it's cool what you could have because I I did it with Adi Circus just now there's a couple with plenty of actors but um when you can get an evidence of how good the acting is from still frames that's when you know you're in a really good position for their performance yeah um yeah this is the face of a woman who knows that she's going to have to use her daughter to benefit her position politically as well as that isn't exactly in favor of her very much as it is so mm-hmm um so yeah we get Cyril's plotline it's a small update but basically um Linus has contacted him as that uh his friend that he still has contact with in I guess ISP or whatever security thing is a way that uh Marva's died and that he believes is a good chance that um asking which show up and so that's their chance to capture him to make up for the mistake that they made as you can see this episode is basically everybody sees that Marva dying is a chance to get Cassian yep big old setup to get everybody to to place but one of the things you notice about this is that he's uh not looking too fantastic um he's seems he's been completely demoted obviously they all were but he's uh he's in like a steel works type place he's not as well as well shaven kind of foundry mm-hmm the connection is really but he's like trying to remain positive and give him this information so it's useful and I kind of feel bad for the guy right like he was only trying to enforce what he thinks are good laws to maintain important order for a society that's protected and uh he did he did his job and to be fair he did it the best out of all of them there and he got uh as harsh a punishment as anybody and he's still trying to keep it going like I don't I don't know exactly what story they're gonna tell for him going um what I'm interested to see how it all goes I'm not exactly going to be surprised if they have suffering in line for a lot of the empire related people yeah and so that takes us over to Luthan's plotline which we have a super interesting conversation between him and so the you basically is established pretty quickly that the so is in line with joining Krieger he's on board with the plan but of course we don't want so joining Krieger anymore no and so he's like what's going on he's like well he's about to get screwed over and caught and he's like why is there's something we're not going to save him from but he's like because that would give up my source and then he says how do you know I don't I won't tell him and he says I don't know what you'll do it's this incredibly awkward position that's developing between them and something that probably happens a lot in these kinds of environments how much you willing to give up but this is something of of a weight that luthan had alone but at this point he's essentially going to share it with with sore but there's um there's a part we saw gets super paranoid and he's like but you already know about this because you had someone in the ISB like do you have someone here do you have someone everywhere and then he's just like can you please pay attention like we're talking about what we're going to do next with Krieger and then he gets so paranoid that the only way luthan thinks you can get him to listen is to actually like play into it for a second and be like oh yeah it's that guy over there and I guess like hey no like we'll know it isn't lying and yes he gets a gun on him and he says the only reason doing this so you'll fucking listen to me is basically he just passes the choice over to him once he's explained it and what's interesting of course is that so basically come comes the same conclusion as him um he goes down that he says he says the ISP you'll feel invincible they'll feel untouchable we'll have a clear field of play the alternative Krieger pulls out we wave him off they'll know that they have they'll have to wonder they'll trust nothing just like you're doing right now by what ISP saw why wouldn't I just send you out there with him I didn't want you to have to make this choice 30 man plus Krieger for the greater good call it what you will and so says I call it war now draw up it's a rough decision to have to make but got to do it yes it's tough rough and yeah just that many men's lives just sitting in your hand and that's the decision that's made pretty casually yeah and they don't even know they'll never know anyway Luther on his way back he has a conversation that I found super interesting with his his partner and of course they're always worried about being detected and so he says of course he wanted to reopen the offer and so so I guess to properly set this up right that they are talking about everything that's happened with sore and what's going to be happening next with and or but they can't be using any names like that or even specific locations or really any specifics at all they have to come across as though they're talking about what their store is which is trading antiques is like yeah antiques and cultural artifacts an anthropology store and so she says did you close the sale and he says I did it was more expensive than I'd hoped but I wasn't in a position to bargain probably talking about how you know it went as good as it was going to go with the Kreeger situation or but it's yeah not fun but it's done and she says you come in home and he says depends I'm most curious about the other piece obviously being and or and she says you should come home as it's no longer available and no it's very much on the table the negotiations are ongoing and our representatives being Cinder and Val are involved there's other buyers involved being the ISP your presence would complicate the bidding at this point like yeah there's not much reason for you to be there as well everything is fucking there and he says we need that piece we lose that we'll have to close shop and he's obviously talking about how that's the one big loose end his Cassian for him um he says there's nothing more you can do and he says that's never true there's a crowd in market you need to think of the consequences of losing that piece to another collector I just I like it it's so much fun to listen it's really good yeah it's so much code yeah what's interesting is the conversation is cut off by him being bumped into a patrol yeah it was probably good that he's talking that way and then we got an action scene you I guess I'll summarize it they use their track to beam on him hold him in place and then they start asking questions until they decide they're going to pull him in for a full inspection he inacts some countermeasures and escapes where would we like to begin talking I feel like I end up summarizing a lot and talking a lot so I want to give some people another chance to little chats a runy you know well basically it's like it's like a big old a big old ship has three satellite dishes that point well to the front basically yeah and they they get him into a little tractor beam and he's like playing along it's like oh hey yeah I'm just just passing by I'm salesman or whatever and well while this is happening he tells the computer is like hey get me give me like like an ID that I can use and it's like yeah it is good and the guy the check that is like also we got gonna get rid of the tractor we was like no we could we could use the practice he says so even though everything is fine he still decides to check his cargo and yeah he's like hey we're going to get you in with the tractor beam so don't don't do any any shenanigans or use your thrusters or whatever because we go and get you now he's like oh yeah okay no problem and of course he he starts doing some thruster stuff so he's not getting piped dragged in to the to the spaceship immediately and also on the side he he prepares some counter measures so he's just wasting some time is like oh I have some overheating here blah blah blah just kind of talking bullshit until the they have like tears of tractor beam right like one two three yeah levels yeah so when they apply the first level you can like fuck with it just by like half launching one of his thrusters mm-hmm which is a really weird thing to do because if you're trying to escape you wouldn't do that but if you're trying to cooperate fully you wouldn't do that as well so what's going on and he's like oh whoops that's just my thruster being a bitch don't worry about it I'll overheating issue but again because the empire is not stupid it's like scan his his heating scan his thrusters I don't believe him so they do it's like oh it's all bullshit but before they can do anything he starts his countermeasures which I'm actually not entirely sure what they are so he basically has like they look like rocket pots but they should point to the back of him they almost look like um altrops but in space yeah something like that I think the idea is that he uses the the the tractor beam for extra extra speed and the basic crash into the middle yeah that would make sense that they're being launched into the cat tractor beam and the tractor means pulling them so yeah and then it just destroys the uh that part and he gets away well what about you rags you have any Carpetry so this scene was hit and miss for me yeah there is elements that I liked about it and there's elements that I didn't like about it what I like is this sense of the the idea that that that that Luth Luthin's done this before he has a special a particular set of skills oh he has a ship that can do things that is that is also special he has a ship board AI that seems really good he has a you know his countermeasures which are obviously a surprise weapon essentially he has a very good laser cannon on it he has the silly fucking lightsabers that come out of the side but oh right oh pretty safe to say that this ship and him are both not typical no I like the way that the empire goes about asking him for his business readying up a loading craft telling him do it anyway we need to practice and stay in shape I like how they don't escalate too fast too quick but at the same time they don't let him just get away with doing things or saying things now I like Luthens he he's done this before you get that feeling you know I need to get a distraction I'm going to give an excuse power up this power up that you know keep your cool so there's a lot of this I do like when I don't like is the execution and how some of it's done pretty much everything after he uses the countermeasures to destroy the front radar array or tractor beam dish I kinda don't like too much the way that he's very eat these these a there's it's like three tie fighters and a bomber come out he instantly kills the bomber and then shoots another tie fighter without missing his cannon is really good but we'll chalk that up to it being a special ship and he would invest in that okay okay that's not typical sure but I don't think he gets touched a single time by the fighters that are chasing after him and you think they'd be more maneuverable and I think the biggest offender is how at the end when there's two tie fighters left he's heading at them and they are heading at him he has these little blade lightsaber blades stick out of the side of the ship and he doesn't aileron and it just slices this the tie fighters both and they blow up and it's stupid yeah dumb like no this doesn't belong here get this out of here stop you were doing so good before you started doing things it was so good and then he hyper drives away and leaves the Imperial commander of the ship kind of speechless in fact so yeah this is I I didn't like the execution of some of the ideas and I did like a lot of it what I did notice is that they're clearly trying it's not all stupid it's pretty much just him at the end pretty much but everything up to that point you're like okay so the they're doing a little thing to show how Luthin's competent how he you know gets away from a situation like this that he's prepared for it it shows that he's really you know that that I like for a ship to be able to get away from essentially a Star Destroyer or many Star Destroyer would be a really really big deal it's not something to take lightly it's a ship that has lots of cannons it has tractor beams it has tie fighters on it it's got lots and lots of personnel the idea that you can just get away from it is not a just thing you got to be you got to come up with a reason and a writing reason why it's possible for you to get away from this ship and they knew to make that a thing they went through the effort of at least trying to even though not all that you know not perfectly will say that they knew that they had to do that they couldn't just have him get away through something completely stupid yeah I don't know what they were thinking of those lasers I saw them was like what the what what why it is like someone's not come just give him another that's cool I I think all the turds are pretty cool oh that's cool that's the whole reason it's there is to be cool that's shit obviously the fun result of it is it's uncool to us we're like boo yeah because you can't you don't even see the ends of it so as far as I know they just span the unlimited amounts of time I don't know just an ever-extending laser just gonna slam into a planet one day and it's like oh god oh no yeah I completely agree the scene is 50-50 for me there's so much I like and so much I don't but they knew to try yeah there's much more effort in this than there is usually such as do you have a face or you are a higher rank therefore it's okay the face I do have a face I really just yeah I really enjoy his delivery of just like oh so these things screwing up and you know oh there's piracy in these areas thanks for the warning man that was weird I don't know yeah and then yeah just like the thruster and just there's lots of good ideas and stuff cleaning up a bit what is this stupid laser bullshit what are you doing so dumb it's so dumb dobbin put it away put a little laser box yeah get out of the show you don't belong here you're clearly trespassing from somewhere we don't we don't like your kind here laser which by the way that leads us to episode 12 oh my god that's the last one here we go literally the last episode of this I think the long right literally I'll I can't remember they all just the pacing was so good I never really is a lot about it 54 minute episode my dude off wow well let's get through it because I'm tired out I'm sleepy there's me being talking about all this and or I'm also that I have I have many complex emotions right now like hunger like Hungary I am you know just let me I'm just need like an extra minute to complete the consumption of this particular item though can you guys like just the weather maybe I'm in okay well weather is the weather like in the the Germany land it is currently right outside the weather it's a dark which has nothing to do with the weather I think so weather is start so I'll start saying yes whether's going to be pretty dark yeah watch out I hate it when it's dark weather in the day yeah it's like an eclipse stupid not just like when dark rain happens you know rain that just makes darkness everywhere yeah it's really annoying it's a sad sad day for dark rain actually was kind of weird it went like from minus 10 degrees Celsius a couple of days ago to now like plus 10 like shit's weird you shit weird I just sometimes like what do you mean what I I thought you meant like your posture or something oh yeah and do a little weird headstand little headstand talking about weather tomorrow for me this this is in fair Fahrenheit but the low for tomorrow is going to be six hmm that's perfect so over overnight it's going to be precipitation yeah looks like we're going to get showers in the day it's going to be 47 Fahrenheit during the day and then that night six degrees so what's going to happen is all with everything is going to get all wet and then overnight it's going to fucking freeze and it'll stay frozen because Friday it only gets up to 23 then Fahrenheit 32 is freezing so it's going to be that is a one two punch of weather that's the all Arkansas one two eight just showers for a little bit like in the summer it'll shower for a little bit make everything super human wet and then boom clouds blow away and the sun comes out and you're like oh shit now it's super hot and insanely humid right on schedule what what is um yeah this this finale you got all kinds of things being built up here you got got all these characters coming to the doing the thing they like oh this is everyone's coming in to get Cassian he's a bastard we gotta stop him from being alive boss or in some cases just want to give him a cuddle or something I don't know anyway this this one's a little tougher in terms of like trying to break it up in terms of POVs it's mainly a single plotline kind of so you're best in yours what about in that direct uh so got transport guy is telling a bigger friend guy about how he contacted Andor and and he happens to be overheard by guy who wanted money off Andor through it's kind of like a starting point and I was just like that's a little bit disappointed but alright just uh you know you're gonna want to keep the information that you heard from Cassian fucking quiet especially when you're occupied this hard by the ISB don't just be talking about it randomly so that people can hear that's a really bad idea cause you might have a repercussion of that person telling on you which is what happens yeah everyone shut the fuck up hey let's go home before we talk about this very important thing no one should know about yeah or let's just speak quieter mm-hmm you see the point where he goes hey what are you guys whispering about and you go nothing nothing nothing what are you guys talking about I don't even know how to whisper um a little bit Bix is fully destroyed and ready is as bait I think is the idea or potential bait and that eidra decide she's gonna take a walk around the town to get familiar and we get into cutting of little things of good old I get his name it was something like two a's in his name but the guy who's killed who gave up Bix in his place um his son is crafting something like a pipe bomb yeah you could tell it's a pipe bomb sci-fi pipe bomb space pipe bomb uh and yeah and we find out that Krieger was annihilated along with his entire crew and deidra's actually annoyed at this she's like why the fuck didn't you capture any of them and if they really were 30 or 50 plus men um you'd think at least one of them he says that the idea is to wipe the taste of al-dani out of the emperor's mouth I think the idea is to just report that as a great victory and that um yep essentially blame Krieger's men on al-dani I guess um blame al-dani on Krieger's men he says yeah at least make sure that you know we're hitting them back very hard for al-dani yes and he says you just gotta find axis gotta do an interesting scene you might say it begins with a little mon sitting in a little car with a little driver and then a little husband gets in he's like hello little wife and he says you're gambling again like what no allegedly and then she says I've been shamed enough can you not live without a fucking casino like fine just do it in canto bite and he's like seriously what the hell someone's lying to you agree like what the fuck what's going on gaslighting me um the scene itself may come across as a little bit weird to a lot of people but it's very deliberate and there's lots in it that's super interesting first of all she's talked throughout the season about how she's being surveilled primarily possibly by her driver driver yeah this scene she opens by saying hey you might give us some privacy and he presses a button so that he can't hear quote unquote we already know that she believes that he's hearing no matter what so she obviously then wanted him to hear all of this why might that be well if she can sell that her husband has been gambling and he's been doing it under the radar to the point where he's lying to her about it quote unquote then maybe that can help explain the missing numbers in her accounts that is very likely what she is up to and if he can further sell that he is doing sort of dubious things it might just get more attention on him than her and she can sneak away with doing all kinds of things while he has to suffer for it he clearly doesn't like him but she doesn't care how much he's going to suffer as a result of this he lives quite a cushioned life anyway this is one of the first sort of subversive game of thronesy things that I think she does and I think that's probably going to be a role going forward in the rest of the show seems to be fitting in with the theme of the show that in order to achieve larger good things you might have to get your hands dirty along the way and you and I heard a theory talked to rags about this because I don't know if it's true it's kind of hard to necessarily spot and there's probably little exceptions here and there but at the beginning of the scene she opens up her collar from being tight to open a little bit more breathing room I suppose and I saw someone say this and it wasn't said as a theory it was said as a fact so again I was like maybe it is just verifiable but apparently all of the rebel characters or the ones that are very much in subversion sort of elements to the empire are wearing open collared shirts of all different kinds they're always opened up but then all of the empire affiliated characters or even ones presumably that are under the empire's thumb in some way should perform they all have closed up collars by any all different circumstances and she begins this scene by opening it up as if to imply this is the first big subversive move she's doing her own will interesting not sure how much credence there is to that as a theory like I said I'd have to check back but I find it would be super cool if it were true yeah it would be neat I always like shit like that but yeah I have no idea I did not pay attention to that stuff wow loser you didn't either shop we even see good old Cyril and Linus arriving and Luthan is there as well and he says basically the plan is that the bad guys will find Cassian and then we will kill him so Cass is just he's having a great time having a great time everybody is obsessed with him and either wants to kill him or grab him for whatever reasons so great for him he has a little flashback he remembers his dad who says to him while cleaning up some old parts that the man who sees everything is more blessed than cursed they'd rather sell you new ones of these but if you fix up the old ones they're worth like five hundred credits just sitting around eyes open possibilities everywhere I think the idea look underneath the rust he says yeah his dad instilled in him a long time ago that you need to pay attention to everything there's a lot more under the surface that you can easily miss which is obviously going to be the empires failing is that they can't quite make out what is going on you pass the surface that's something and then we have a big old sequence I think it's just to build up the finale we're listening to the manifesto it's being read out as like a voice recordery thing he was given back in episode six and it's dynamic saying freedom occurs spontaneously there are battalions already enlisted galaxy wide and even the smallest actions push the war forward tyranny requires constant effort it leaks it breaks the day will come when these moments of defiance will flood the empire's authority one single thing will break the sea I mean it's gotta be better what do you think he's talking about and this is part of why I find there is value to this show it's existence it's justified its existence more than anything else that Disney stars have come out with easily that speech that point of view is trying to describe how the empire will eventually be destroyed and I quite like that he says tyranny requires constant effort like it's not easy to be tyrannical in terms of just controlling fucking everything when everyone you've got so many different sectors in which it can break you just need people to have the willpower to do it and what was said earlier about these different acts of rebellion more and influence more and inspire more and that's when he said freedom occurs spontaneously like it's it's almost happening without necessarily being constructed and organized meanwhile tyranny requires that you need full on systems with many working parts constantly doing high effort different things right the prism was an example of a lower effort form of it because of how they managed to crack a system but even that fell the fuck apart and so yeah one single thing can break the season can flood the empire and it's like what could he possibly be referring to an action that counts as almost just one maybe one one shooting of proton torpedoes into a particular location something I don't know just it's really cool right because this whole show is going to build up to Rogue One and that's gonna build up to a new hope that's how that works yeah it's cool to get to a point where you've described and explained a tyrannical sort of fascistic government that's closing further and further it's grip around these innocent populace that are getting further and further punished for things they don't deserve it's cool that you can get me to the point where I'm almost once again back in the position of like yeah good guys beat the bad guys while recognizing there's nuances in all parts of it it's just that this has come to happen the way that it is and now I want freedom for the in the Civil Trilogy they're so stupid it's such an absurd little collection of idiots when it's just like a trying to fast-track getting back to what they had in the OT meanwhile Andor has worked its ass off to justify how you can actually have tyrannical results from a system that involves real people trying to make real decisions about law and order feel like it's night and day in terms of earning what they're going for but Stardust Traiors lots of them did we talk about this earlier? I forget it was so long ago after the Aldani high skits pulled out and we see the Stardust Traiors come in above and it actually feels like it's got a lot of it's like a real oh shit moment oh yeah it's true didn't seem to tease it right yeah making her way making her way to I don't know wherever she gets off the planet I guess yeah after when she's still on her way out and she's on the planet after the heist gets pulled off because the because the Empire is really starting to crack down and of course this is ground zero for things going down you see this Stardust Traiors come in flying relatively low in the atmosphere and it goes over her head and you get that sense of oh man things are going down the Empire is not messing around which is what it should have whenever a Stardust Traiors shows up whenever one gets sent to your planet or you see one you know that this is serious you can't mess around this actually means something this isn't Disney Star Wars you know the typical stuff where it just doesn't matter like you could have hordes and hordes of stormtroopers but they're just worthless and competent buffoons and you could do whatever you want with them and they're not a threat they clearly are I'm just going to land in this Stardust Troiors and then get someone out and then leave and it's all no problem I hate it when there's repercussions like in events like that when you're building small scale it's much more freeing almost to create repercussions because it's almost like it's a description of itself like AdNor could get away with some of this stuff because it's so much smaller scale that nobody's paying that much attention to it in terms of its connection and the Star Wars IP like you know everyone's looking at Kenobi fucking mess AdNor has managed to smuggle in good writing how did he do that incredible but yeah the friend gives him a message from his mum before she died saying none of this is his fault he knows everything he needs to know and he's felt everything he needs to feel and when those come together he'll be everything he could ever do wrong yeah it's like like a mother would don't make me feel media I already had another this this year oh I had another bit of a feely moment when they start start up the sort of funeral song the playing it and stuff and then it just shows Bix listening to it while crying yeah it's almost like a reprieve for it being in that cell not having any like actually interesting or fun things to do like listening to a song that represents like someone's died and listening to yeah especially because her you know torture is sound related yeah a nice fucking sound so yeah everything's coming together there's a big event that's about to pass and everyone we know from basically the whole show is about to start up but a big thing is Marva recorded a message part of her funeral to play yeah and of course the Empire were allowing all of this to happen as part of a sort of bait so they'll allow this too but as the speech goes on you can tell they were like oh fuck this is not a speech we want to play I don't think she's gonna say anything nice about us and yeah this speech is absolutely excellent it is absolutely and it feels super honest as well basically well I guess I'll just read a lot of it she says where you stand now I've been more times than I can remember I've always wanted to be lifted I've always wanted to be eager I've always wanted to be inspired I remember every time it happened every time the dead lifted me with their truth and now I'm dead and I yearn to lift you not because I want to shine or even be remembered it's because I want you to go on I want Pharex to continue my waning hours that's what comforts me most but I fear for you we've been sleeping we've had each other and Pharex our work our days we've had each other and they've left us alone we've kept the trade lanes open they've left us alone we took their money and ignored them we kept their engines tuning and the moment they pulled away we forget them because we had each other we had Pharex but we're sleeping I've been sleeping and I've been turning away from the truth I wanted to not to face there is a wound that won't heal at the center of the galaxy there is a darkness reaching like rust into everything around us we let it grow and now it's here it's here and it's not visiting anymore it wants to stay the empire is a disease that thrives in darkness and it is never more alive than when we sleep it's easy for the dead to tell you to fight and maybe it's true maybe fighting's useless perhaps it's too late but I'll tell you this if I could do it again I'd wake up early and be fighting these bastards from the start fight the empire this is obviously her last gas but actually inspiring people part of what happens to her in this season is that she gets injured and that's why the doctors are into her and she got injured because she was trying to open a passageway that she said if they can figure it out it could be a way for people to sneak in and out to subvert like the empire people here and she literally apparently was trying to just open it fucking fell over and hurt herself significantly so like she's desperate to make a difference but she's just too old like lost the chance to do so and that's obviously weighed heavily on her and so then she knows that she's almost being kept alive as bait to get her son basically so I wonder if she denied the medication on purpose as to basically die and to use her death as a way to send this message out to everybody to prevent herself from being used as a way to capture her own son I'm not sure I'm not sure exactly if that's what they're going for but it's actually sad if it is yeah and yeah the actress did an excellent job I love the speech yeah it was good I agree absolutely super inspirational and I just yeah referring to the empire as a rust that's spreading into everything yeah it's a wound at the center of the galaxy it's great stuff really is and you can tell like I said everyone's here for different reasons but Luthan is clearly moved by this speech as well he's just like who the fuck is this lady like this is good shit yeah of course the the empire dude he's not happy about that speech oh he's like shut the fuck up he grabs his coat I think and then just kind of puts it over B2 and then just like fight the empire and then it just heats over B2 and kicks him over what a dick which is clearly why Chungus man got angry he's like nobody like that nobody like that he just he just think he he just knocks like three of them out with with her stone which is quite ironic yeah yeah she finally you know she got to hurt the empire she got to hurt the empire that's kind of cool he just hits three of them with a brick yeah why the fuck not and they're well-made bricks apparently yeah that's he knew what he was doing he knew what he was hitting them with oh yeah and then yeah all hell breaks loose people are swarming the empire people and he's like and that kid throws his pipe bomb he sure does and man it has an effect there's something I liked about it kind of this is gonna sound disjointed in terms of liking it but one of the Pharex members kind of sells them out he tries to get the location of Cassian given into the empire in exchange for money and even says give me double the reward and get me off this planet yeah he knows that he's fucked if he does this he's curious about what's happening and he's next to a window looking out seeing what's going on the pipe bomb goes off explodes breaks the whole glass and smashes into his face and the next we see him there's just blood all over yeah he did I just felt like it was a good repercussion if you're right next to a window it explodes you're probably dead you think it's seriously hurt? yeah you're in trouble you're in trouble and the explosion itself wasn't that far away as well so you got a good good chunk of force there still left over even if it goes through a window because of course it propels all the glass in your face and that's not a good time yeah the guy who sort out the transport stuff in Farrex here actually gets killed in the middle of the fight a lot of people get killed so it's pretty rough yeah because at some point the guy just says open fire fire at once the troopers just start blasting the civilians it's like ooh it's kind of unfortunate but the reality is they're not going to win this no they're going to do the little rebellion and it's going to die but of course Wood will spread and this is going to generate some extra bits and bobs are going to happen but while it's happening Cassian rescues Bix and they even have the fucking the bell ringing guy he's going at it it's just one of the dudes is like stop him from ringing the bell and he goes up there and it's such comedic time and he's like he just comes up there and the storm trooper does and he just immediately kicks him off the tower I had a laugh it's almost like I think they just wanted to give the bell rigger a boba yeah it's kind of great as if ringing the bell wasn't cool enough exactly just kicks him right off he's calling it a bell it's like a metal table something that I know is that I'm not sure what to make of it exactly but Cinta was quite aware of the guy the main dude who was keeping an eye on Marva and that whole sort of situation and it looks to be crossed paths a little bit because she poses as a I think she actually gets a job at the local area so that she works in a bar or something but correct me if I'm wrong but it looked like she wanted the guy to find her so that he would be like you I know you like what are you doing here and then she drags him just out of the way and then she kills him yeah was that was that all on purpose did she just want to make it like did she allow herself to be seen by him it was kind of weird I thought the same thing it's like oh you killed him well but I mean it's not exactly out of character right like the it's not but I can believe that she basically just fucking hated that guy it's her ability to execute that plan because he has to be the one specifically to see her and then follow her and yeah I wasn't sure I wasn't because she's following him is it that she's waiting for him to turn around because he eventually does right and then she's like oh no you've got me and then and then she kills him like my initial impression was that she just wanted to kill this guy yeah I think so because she figures out he's like a spy or something so now she wants to kill him was also just that remember she's or I see her she's the stone cold character basically we get little on here but it's pretty clear that she's just she's like a rebellion zealot she'll kill anybody mm-hmm but yeah once the explosion's gone off the empire's just unloading loads of people be getting shot they even show like just some old lady gets shot it's just like yeah it's rough they're all going down and then Deirdre gets grabbed pushed and punched and dragged through the mud and she even starts trying to claw at it and it's for a moment quite satisfying because she's such a horrible bitch but like yeah die it's obviously very deliberate right she spent the whole season sort of climbing in power and getting more and more control and intimidation and then while she's trying to shoot people she gets a fucking rock thrown at her head and then everyone's just crawling all over and she's terrified that's the kind of shit you want to see because it it really helps sort of let you know what's beneath a lot of the more intimidating and horrible sides of like government's gone wrong I did laugh at her face though she makes a very funny expression when she falls over I don't know he goes like meh meh ow my head yeah as as it's all happening we get logistically a little bit weird Cyril obviously wants to save her he likes her thinks she's doing a good job she looks like she's being grabbed by about eight people and then Cyril grabs a gun she had off the floor puts it to her back and then says right this way with me and drags her off to safety it feels like we miss something among all that yeah kind of she's like on the floor and then we're standing up was there a scene in between or something or is it just in one go I don't remember it looks strange it looks like they've collected her to do something horrible to her like terror pot I don't know but it just gets weird there's a shot I'm pretty sure they show where like several people are grabbing her all at once oh yeah they're like piling up on her I just don't know that you're gonna be able to grab her yourself at that point doesn't look like he does and what I appreciate about this is that she's panicking and like completely overloaded but he got her out of there when it feels like it could be an echo of what he went through in episode 3 and he's more prepared for it this time or he's doing better because it's not just him he's trying to take care of someone else someone he cares about so he's able to sort of get that that gumption that he needed and I guess it's pretty cool too because this is her at the weakest and most vulnerable we've ever seen her she's absolutely terrified and he saved her and this is probably gonna make it now so that he's got a career again yeah that's what I thought as well that's gonna get him back into some degree clearly those two are gonna work together going forward I wouldn't be surprised if they set up some kind of weird romance thing between them too as well because they're both kind of crazy kind of crazy that's one way to put it yeah we'll see what happens with that looking crazy people then we get a really decently long shot of Luthan just looking at Phanix of Eric sorry and just listening to the screaming yeah so lots of people discussing what this could mean in totality I think there's loads of things going on at once being that visible realising how little control he actually has yeah he thought he had all of that under his thumb and he knew exactly what was gonna happen and yet something that he had no fucking clue about happened yeah some random kid going for his revenge almost probably lost his life and loads of people have actually lost their lives yeah put a big fucking stinking his old plans so it's just like what the hell is happening and it's a form of rebellion after that speech he just had that's what stoked all of it exactly the thing he wants but at the same time he had no idea this was even a thing yeah that's not that's not how he planned to do it but it happened but then of course this whole this whole plan here was to kill and or yeah he planned to do anything crazy rebellious here but it happened here so yeah yeah it also just goes far saying it's clear that it's getting to him a little bit having that many people die in front of him listen to all the screaming this is what it costs it's a yeah is there a like it I remember who said it it could be fucking Stalin or something right is that the what one person dying is like a death when it's like a thousand statistics single death a single death as a you know a million deaths statistic essentially yeah being a Lutheran deals at a distance and in numbers and reports this is the first time probably you know I imagine possibly ever that he's ever had people die right in front of him as a result of rebellion actions so you are very possibly yeah how much that is likely affecting him combined with his lack of control and understanding of the situation combined with the utter shock that yes this world is actually possibly more ready for rebellion than you even realized mm-hmm a lot can be I just I like the way let us think about it it's good stuff yeah we see that Mon Mothner is is setting up the daughter to meet the the son so that's going ahead and we have our Linus is having a little drink probably deciding what he's gonna do next I imagine we'll see him in season two and our team being the son through the pipe bomb the big old Chungus friend and B2 are all on the ship about to escape because of course they're all in big trouble pretty much everyone here is in big trouble and Cassian says you know tells him where to go and where you'll you'll find him again but he's gonna go to Luthan he does and he basically says to Luthan kill me or let me join because I'm in rebellion happening I'm doing it and that's I guess closing out that's what this season was all about was how did Andor go from a guy who just wanted to survive to someone who's a diehard rebellion person yeah and all it really took was him seeing enough people suffer including himself and that's Andor season one yeah what a show what a tale what a story with so many I think I'd said that it was kind of like it felt very game of thronesy there's all these there's consequences for what people do there's a lot of people talking and acting well different personalities people trying to get different things so in a sense it kind of reminded me that I had that kind of vibe to it and it just felt so weird that I was watching a Star Wars show yeah yeah this is completely out of left field this is not at all what I was expecting to be honest with you I feel really bad that I get with such a unfair treatment almost I mean I kind of did too I don't blame anybody for any of this there's a serious problem with the Disney and their allocation of resources they are absolute idiots in terms of how they're constructing their stories and it's so bad that even the one good story they fucking made got like scuttled because nobody cared I watched five episodes and I was just not getting into it it's probably because I watched all these other shows and was just like I don't know didn't really concentrate on it I guess I don't know I just definitely there's so little discussion on this yeah it's weird it's insane I remember hearing like when the first three were out I think we all tried to watch them and then it felt to me like two weeks later the whole season was out it's like no it's just that I just been busy I didn't even know this was happening and like I said so little discussion it's absolutely fucking ridiculous but you know what I haven't done yet I just remembered oh yeah credits thing oh yeah credits scene right yeah if you want to go to you all have the finale episode yes oh yeah I do let me one second oh Jesus the yawning it's getting real the yawning is real real real yawning we've got a fifty three twenty eight three thank you one second get out of the way disclorms whoa oh VLC has a little Santa hat on now ah cute was it fifty three what fifty three twenty eight are you both there I am twenty seven twenty eight alrighty three two one play da well why don't you give that a little look see it looks like oh the components oh we know them so what's going on here oh schnitzel this is the shield on the planet or white first parts of the death star I recognize it's the death star oh my god how oh shit there's already a lot of death star here how fucking cool is the idea nice and always building the parts of the machine that's going to kill him oh no oh that's awesome that's really cool as a reveal normally it would suck we'd be like whatever find the death star but after that season it's like no cause strip away all the bullshit the stars became that's a pretty awesome payoff this whole season is about raising that rebellion just to be enough to actually make a difference and meanwhile what are the empire doing constructing a thing that will end rebellions damn man Jesus Christ you know if you can imagine how many of those have been built I was just thinking about how impactful that would even be as well without any knowledge of any other stars outside of this season imagine that ending you'd be like what the fuck is that it's like holy shit what's that you know like the empire is building something that will make it so that you're not going to be able to do shit it's a holy shit the fucking death star looks crisp it just looks awesome and yeah I just think it's a really fucking great little payoff that a core component of a seriously large part of the laser portion of it is those little things they were making good shit yeah I think it's really neat good shit yeah but yes big old recommend and or I do indeed recommend yes I don't know what's going to happen with star wars going forward we did that preamble at the beginning for a good reason like it's it's a disastrous journey that now has this little thing in it it's like wait what is this and the big problem is that everyone kind of hated Andorra didn't watch it a lot of people will tell you it was boring as hell and a lot of people didn't get past episode 3 they gave it a chance up to that don't blame anybody for doing everything they want in terms of how much they watch but the problem is going to talk about what's going to happen as a result everyone watched and talked about Boba Fett and Kenobi a lot of people said Kenobi was incredible it was amazing barely anybody watched Andorra and that includes us and of the people who did even give it a chance that it was lame badly paced and they didn't really care who cares what does that say to to Disney it's like oh well we should probably make more things like Kenobi than Andorra actually upset now that we didn't watch it earlier and gave it a proper treatment well to be fair we have now completed full coverage of all four of those TV shows within the same time absolutely yeah eFap is it's rare that we're at that level of proficiency with covering things we tend to take a while and we got other things to do you know it's just this one this one was the one that lost out on those four the other three got coverage first that's true but you know it could be like like Fringy said that they'll pay attention to critical acclaim and that Andorra actually has a more enduring legacy than Kenobi and stuff I don't know one can only hope I think we're going to go into Mando season three the glimmer of like could and it won't it'll be shit I'm sure of it we're like almost certainly it's made by the same exact fucking team that have been making the bad decisions what it to it's gonna rely it's got baby Yoda back and it's already promised loads of cameos same shit always the same schnitzel so yeah we'll probably cover that and then I don't even know what the state of star was this post that I know that at some point oh good that's going to be a philony thing as well I imagine yeah like I said Gilroy is the one that's making this please give him the freedom and power to make what he wanted to make over the three seasons if that's the full story please I beg you let me have it and then and that's it fine tell the story can we at least have one complete story in star wars that isn't shit come on from Disney of course because they fuse and it would just suck if we had one solid season of andor and then the next two were like I don't know shit I guess I'd really hope that the mandated crap yeah and it'll be easy to tell please don't just give people time just give them time please give them time but yes I heartily recommend I really love the dialogue hit me so fast in terms of the strength of these scripts yeah I think that's something we already saw when we watched the first three episodes like the dialogue was pretty solid throughout we were getting something we were being delivered things to think about as we've gone over there's so many quotes I like from this show that overall obviously what is andor doing as a show and to me it's just like it's just making points about oppressive systems and how they affect everybody at different levels and what one can do in response to them what one can end up either supporting or being against them through no necessary fault of like a character floor of their own but more so focused on what they like can how you can be indoctrinated or how you can have a value that actually slots into it or you know what's her name Deidre she's trying to pursue a career that's why she's getting excessively almost venomous in the way that she's conducting her job but you have people at all these different levels like even like skiing right like a guy who took advantage of the aesthetic of being a rebellion person when really he just wanted money I think that's a really interesting set of stories to tell and you've got all these people at such different levels of like someone in the Senate someone who is just a shop owner but probably has the most power among everybody and this rebellion is conducting the biggest huge guy who's like I fucking I'm an ex stormtrooper who wants to help you out in this mission then just gets shot during it and it's like that's just it that's done that's gone yep all these lives that will be spent all to just hopefully get to that ending of we finally topple or at least cripple the Empire and part of what I think frustrates me more and more thinking about it is the fact that this if it's really good will act as a fuck we beat them it's so great the Empire they are down they are gone and then it's like now what it's like now it's the sequel trilogy it's like no it's not it ain't that shit that's not what happened next then speak this show is trying to argue this like really grounded realistic series of massive amounts of components that it takes to not only generate rebellions but also topple Empires meanwhile like the sequel trilogy was just like nah they're just back nothing matters nothing you did matter that is still there you know what I mean like imagine building up so hard all of this stuff to support the big spontaneous and spectacular events of the OT and then it's just just flip it because fuck it yeah so it's a little bit annoying but you know it doesn't mean we shouldn't advocate for hopefully having good stories like nah just give them make bad ones but it's like no no no it's something and like I said I'm glad that got a little bit obsessive and kept asking us to cover it because you know we were just waiting for that opportunity it came up here it is had people telling me as well it's really good after I said I don't know I'm not into it I was like oh no I just don't want to go back to it and then and then like Ragnarok happened all the other stuff well now here we are we watched it and it's really good yeah very glad that we watched it and finished it yeah easily the best thing Disney have produced for Star Wars the best thing Star Wars has had for in a long time and we should hold on to this one absolutely easily and it's not even close put it in your little little nice box and put it on a shelf okay this is the situation we're in but yes this is the situation we're in there's not much we can do about it yeah so yes check it out if you want to if you've given up on Star Wars entirely I don't exactly blame you me neither but there's the thing we are not hating on it for the fun of it Star Wars it's stuff that we're really not enjoying but this this one as you can tell it surprised us and then we committed and we were like holy shit this is actually okay and good and if not at times fucking great yes and that's so to speak the report if you will if that's what we do here like we're just deciding to tell you the new Star Wars thing was actually not cringe but you know yep can't promise that that's not gonna be the case for the next thing though all I know is that Andor is gonna keep going at least for now just crossed hope they get all the time and the money that they need and on that note well is there anything else you guys wanted to say about Andor? oh nothing that's already been said I don't think I really liked it a great cast the characters awesome acting a really impressive budget that just that makes the whole thing look incredible easily the best Star Wars we've had in ages decades hope it does well hope it does well it's the only department that seems to be lacking a little bit is plotline connecting the bigger pieces yeah the connecting tissue is really weird we got some tweaks in there we could correct it up and I'd be more than happy to say like yeah there's not much I would change at that point it's pretty solid to be curious to see what they do with season 2 or obviously leading into having a rebellion team forming a much bigger one that probably gonna do much more significant action like I said Mon Moth probably gonna be doing more Game of Thrones shit I imagine Luthan has got a big old clock on him I can't imagine he's gonna be able to live for too long I'd like him to though he's my fave I wanted to do more things I'm right and then of course the simultaneous concern but also you know it could be cool is involving more things that we recognize I don't know if I trust Disney to do it but you know you could start involving more the thing is Veda could show up at any moment that's the thing you wonder if they're gonna there's always that voice in the back of your head that's like man what if like he shows up he could show up at any time this could get serious what if he showed up and it was good what if he showed up and it was good or if he showed up and it was really subtle like he was in the background of something or it was I don't know or he he was just sitting in silently on a meeting for the ISB or something like that you know I don't know I don't know but what we do know so far is that you don't need all of those cameos in order to make a good show that's the lesson that is the lesson let's get to the point quickly that I'd love to see Pategaz and Luthan have a discussion you know you imagine well honed like a moment with those two exchanged there like all beliefs get something good going and yeah it would be cool if Vada was used more as a force of nature that they have sectors they're operating in and they find out Vada's near one of them and they just want to avoid it something like that but hey who knows what we're going to get what I know is that it's a very merry Christmas today merry Crembo that's right it is Christmas I hope everyone I guess by now it's been a while it has who knows what they'll be doing seven and a half hours of Christmas yeah when you hear this I'm probably drunk with friends in a bar it's great I don't know what I'll be doing exactly I think family fleams they call it will be for me and like I said for those out there who didn't have necessarily anywhere to go or anyone to talk to you they got themselves a whole chonker of an eFap Christmas episode talking about Star Wars of all things it's funny we had a lot of Star Wars episodes back in the day sort of broke up into not having many at all because what we're going to do talk about Kenobi I don't think so but hey Mando season three that's the next stop fuck all it's not fair is it it's like it's not fair it's the roller coaster can we just talk about Ragnarok again open stent nice yeah that's about that I suppose thank you all for tuning in more fapping on the way of course we'll likely see you for New Year's Eve yeah yeah but until that time you have yourselves a good morning noon or night yeah have a good Christmas all day have a good crumb baby bye everyone Merry Christmas good bye see you later Toodaloo crumbus