PAS Seminar: Is Parental Alienation Syndrome - Scientific? - Part 7 - Dr. Lorandos





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Published on Aug 12, 2009


D. Lorandos, Ph.D., J.D. - Is Parental Alienation Syndrome - Scientific? - Part 7

from the Canadian National Symposium on Parental Alienation - 2009 -

Continued questions from the audience - -

Anything else? Sir?

Question: I do battle with these folks. They cut and paste from all their own sites so youll find that you roll over one site, you can find the identical information on another site. Lizs library is another one where she has got all this information. But what I do with them is repudiate them.

Dr. Lorandos: Well, yes it does get circled and they quote each other, but remember, just because youre quoting each other doesnt mean youre wrong. The harder thing to do, of course, and I know that you want to do that, is, and thats why I made this presentation for you, is to look at what they actually say and follow it back to what they actually think and if you can find out what they actually do. What do they do? You know, it was a marvelous thing to be able to look at a detractor who says PAS doesnt exist doing a high profile, high conflict Parental Alienation case. What does she actually do, and what do totally independent reviewers say about what they do? And how do they think and what do they know and what do they cite to? You know, youve got Sauber publishing, being the editor of a journal that absolutely insists on rigorous peer review and insists on your citations being peer reviewed and on value in the scientific community, or you cant get to first base with him. And if you compare the level of quality of the analysis to stuff like that, you see that scientists dont always agree, but they sure get enthusiastic about arguing and screaming and hollering with each other and insisting on data and insisting on sources and evaluation of data and analysis of data. And these other folks, theyre just sort of in a circle, you know what, and reinforcing each other. Anything else? Sir?

Question: You have in your presentation talked a little bit about the conceptual abuse allegations. You heavily suggested when dealing with domestic violence, at least in countries like Canada, is almost a kneejerk legal reaction.

Dr. Lorandos: Well, there should be a kneejerk legal reaction to domestic violence and the reason is because its extremely dangerous for police officers, law enforcement personnel, and its insidious in the minority of domestic violence cases its horrible, terrible, ongoing, emotional, and physical suffering. In the majority of the cases, its people shoving each other around. In another minority of the cases its completely bogus and ridiculous and somebody (laughs). I had a case where a woman decided that she was going to get my client, a motorcycle, a skilled tradesmen and a motorcycle repairman convicted, or at least arrested, for felonious assault, intent to commit murder, so on and so forth, so she ran and bashed her face into the cupboard when her girlfriend was there and took pictures of it and they rouged it all up and then they invited the guy over and called the cops and did this again at another circumstance, and so there were three kids involved and we went through a yearlong process with the criminal courts and with the family law courts and because she was very pretty and shed been an exotic dancer, she got a very snooty law firm, the kind of people who believe that when they poop it comes out in a little box, gift-wrapped, you know, and, to represent her pro bono, this was their pro bono activity, were so relevant. And so, I went into the deposition and I said this is a community property state, and, I wanted to make sure that we understood each other, I said this is a community property state, and I want one of them back. And he goes, I beg your pardon? I said, My client, he wants one of those back. Whatever could you be talking about? Well, she had breast enhancement surgery to improve her career; we want one of them back. When the dust settled, dad got the kids, mom was put into counseling, and we got the girlfriend to testify against her that this was the kind of stuff that she was pulling. But it took forever and a tremendous amount of effort, and this guys bill got so high that if I ever get a motorcycle, if I ever get a Harley-Davidson, I can have it repaired, rebuilt, remodeled, for the rest of my natural life. But at least the kids are doing well. So it takes a lot of work to demonstrate that some phony domestic violence accusations are in fact phony and theyre contrived, and judges are not willing to listen to that unless you have a very good case and you make a very good presentation about it. Anything else? Sir.

Question: You did work for $2, Id like to offer you $50 with inflation.

Dr. Lorandos: Well, you know, my staff, I have a great big office manager who handles all this kind of stuff and he doesnt let me do things like that anymore. Yes, maam.

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