 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, dun-dun-dun-dun! Dude, current events were dropping you for like 56 minutes? 56 minutes? Damn! Current events and introductory conversation? Did you preach at the beginning or was it in the middle? Uh, it was around the beginning. We felt like talking a lot this time. It was fun. It was fun. We talk about the changes of priorities and tastes as you age. Oh. Yeah, I like wearing. Not food, more like things that you're into. Yeah, I like wearing white briefs now. You know what I mean? Tidy whiteies. Yeah. We talk about the importance of dental health, and believe it or not, its connection. Right, could your gums be fucking your tummy up? Your gut health. This was a sal speculation moment. I bet you I'm right. We talked about your two selves. 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You can interact with them, ask people questions. You can tag us, ask us questions. Robert Oberst. Anyway, it's free. It's free if you get in any bundle, if you enroll in any bundle for this entire month. If you want more information, just go to mindpumpmedia.com. I was watching Bryant Gumbel. I don't know if it's like getting older, but now I like this, I like some of these sports shows and things that are, they're more, God, what's the word I'm looking for? Are you familiar? Are you, I doubt you are. Are you real? I know who Bryant Gumbel is. And he does real sports on HBO. And it's like kind of a, it's normally like an hour. They kind of combine like news with sports. He's like a nerdy black dude, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Exactly. And so I didn't really watch it much as a kid. I mean, he's been doing it forever, but I'm drawn to it now. It's kind of funny. I was trying to unpack that and figure out when old. Yeah, that's it. I had that moment. It's happening, feeling that, but... Bro, how many... So when you start listening to talk radio, I guess now podcasting, you don't listen to music anymore. Like when that happened, I was like... No, okay, sorry, I'm getting old. But young people are really... Okay, so I want to tell you guys something like that. So this is something I'm very aware of and I make a conscious effort to rotate. So I'll do like between audio books, podcasting and listening to music, I make a conscious effort to never like fully consume one and not the others. Like I'm always trying to kind of rotate because they each provide different things for me that I value and that I enjoy. And so it's not like, I don't want now... And it makes me really appreciate it because I did really, I was as a kid, really, really into music, like big time. Yeah, I've been making an effort to try and keep that established or like look for new bands, new sounds and stuff. But at the same time, I'm so motivated to listen to audio books right now. I'm like really diving into that. I'll tell you what I noticed with music is that so Jessica's eight years younger than me, right? So she's, that's a decent, it's not a huge age gap but it's enough for me to notice the difference between someone who's... What did you say? What's the difference? Eight years. So I can tell it's... That's significant. It'll show you the difference between, you know, younger and older. I didn't realize you guys who had that experience. I didn't either. For some reason, I mean, because she's very mature. She's very mature. Oh, she's super, super wise. She's always been that way apparently. Her family says that when she was like six, she'd have these like really deep conversations. So it attracted me most. Anyway, I'll come home sometimes and she'll be cooking or doing something and she'll have the music on and it's just fucking loud. Like it's super loud and I'll walk in and I'll be like, I can't, like it's too loud. Can we turn it down a little bit? And I used to be that way, dude. It hurts my ears. I used to be that way when I was a kid. Did you have a stereo system in your car ever? Yeah, dude. I used to have fucking subwoofers. I used to love that. Now when I listen to music, it's like... Did you check yourself like mentally? Like, oh my God, did I just say that? Totally. Even in the car, she'll want to turn it up and I'll want to turn it down and be like, I can't enjoy it. It's too loud. Oh God, no. It's sad, Sal. Tell me that doesn't happen to you. It does. I catch my... I'm with Justin though. I have these moments and I kind of check myself, you know? I'm trying to push it off, right? As much as I can. I think though it's not... Like I got annoyed by one of my nephews, Katrina's nephew, because they always want to drink and party and I forget what it's like to be 21 to 24 and that's what you're doing. Like that's all you're like... You just have so much energy to do it. You look at it like rain. Yeah, and they get mad at me because I don't want to take fucking shots on like Friday night at whatever time that they're hanging out. Yeah, it's because they're not... Two shots, yeah. They're not recovering. Right, like I don't want to get fucked up anymore, dude. What appeal is left there? But I check myself and I go, I can't be mad at them because now I sound like a fucking old pain in the ass. I can't get down and have some fun. Yeah, but why do these things happen? Your body changes. Like for sure, if I go and party with shots, it's going to take me a decent four or five days worth of recovery. Especially Yeager. And I got to work. So a lot of these 20 year olds, you don't got to work, dude. You can just fucking sleep in, do whatever. My kids, they're not hungover like I am. So, you know, 7 a.m., they're up ready to fucking rock and roll. I would hope they're not in. It's just not... Yeah, you know what? That's the other idea. That's another idea, right? Like, oh, you know what? I'm going to have to wake up early tomorrow because the kids... Yeah, that changed everything. Why don't they just be with me? Oh yeah, it changed everything. I kind of... So, we're going back to the whole, me getting back to listening to all these and rotating. And I feel like it feeds your soul in a sense. And I wonder if like, this is part of the process of dying is that people just... You start to... Oh, come on. No, listen, listen. I'm sticking with you. And it starts at one point where you start letting go of these things that do feed you. And then we make this excuse of, oh, it's just not a priority anymore. But when you think back, like there's a lot of joy or a lot of things that came from those things that you've kind of let go or you no longer do anymore. I think it depends. If you start to... Part of it is you, if things feed you differently, you're a different person. I believe that. I believe your priorities shift. I mean, we know this. I mean, on a cellular level, we've had a whole different human within seven years. So, and it's kind of funny how that works because if you look back, you seven years ago was really different than you probably three more. And that years kind of makes sense. But there's also the emotional change in growth. Like, I could think back and think of one or two year periods where I was drastically different in a short period of time because of some kind of an event or life changing something or realization I had. So you just grow and change. And like, I didn't appreciate, like I used to love going into busy areas with lots of people. And I still enjoy that. Don't get me wrong. It's still fun. But now I appreciate going, being around less people differently. And call it what you will. I just think when you're younger, you find excitement in new things. And then when you get older, you use, I think you just become wiser. I don't know. You're more comfortable with your own skin. I think you refine your taste. That's probably true. You know what I'm saying? You find out certain things that feed the soul or feed what you, your things that you want. Well, think about this way. When you're a 20 year old kid, you just want to have a lot of sex, right? You're working your way through all the novelties. You just want to have a lot of sex, right? So much to the point that almost everything that you do throughout the week kind of revolves around that. Just having a lot of sex, volume, volume of sex. Then when you're in your 30s, you can go for the Hogan. Yeah, then when you go for the... That sounds like a good idea. Wow, wow, Hogan. I haven't heard that term in a long time. It happens, it happens. That's last resort. But then when you hit your 30s and 40s, it's like, you don't necessarily want just a bunch of sex. You want really good sex. Quality. Yeah, you know what I mean? I might not want to get smashed a lot now, but when I do drink, I want quality. Like it needs to be meaning, not just me getting smashed. I want to just who I'm with, what I'm drinking. You know, the reasoning behind it changes. So I guess you're right. You just refine, you know, just refine your taste. Dude, so yesterday, this happens to me every once in a while. I was sitting there and I just started thinking. And sometimes I get into these states of mind where I get just this, just flight of ideas and many of them seem like breakthrough to me. And it just happens. Like I'll be in the state of mind and I'll get one and I'll fucking write down. Should we be sharing this on air? Absolutely. Why? I think I'm gonna talk about it. I don't know. You're gonna give some brilliant idea, really. Should we talk about this first? Let's not monetize this. Oh no, no, no. This isn't something, man. It's just a concept. Oh man. It's just a concept. So I was thinking about the process of developing food intolerances, the leaky gut syndrome. And for the listeners who may not know how that works is when in the context of inflammation, the gut, the junctions between the cells of the gut that separate your, you from what is inside or inside your gut, which by the way is not really in your body until it goes through the cell wall and gets absorbed. That cell wall, when it's inflamed, the junction space out and then food particles or molecules or protein particles pass through when they're not supposed to and your body recognizes those as foreign invaders develops antibodies. And now you have a food intolerance. And this is why all of a sudden foods that you can normally eat, you now can't digest them anymore. They bother. Right, so that's what leaky gut syndrome or the medical term is intestinal wall hyperpermeability. So. How common do you think this is? Because we were talking yesterday with Dr. Molly and we kind of asked this a little bit, like how common do you think that it is for people to have leaky gut, some sort of a leaky gut syndrome? I think in the context of modern lifestyle, it's probably very common. It's probably way more common than people realize. It is. Yeah, in various forms, right? Because it's gonna show up in different forms. If we had to put a percentage on it, what would you guesstimate? I mean, just based off of the experience of people that we've dealt with. Think about the average person you've worked with. Think about some of the issues that you've worked with them through that maybe you weren't aware of that could be connected to poor gut health. I 100% believe more than half. Oh, I think it's more than that. I think it's a lot more than that, especially as you get older, because it's just more time. Right. You know, like find me a 30 year old who now can't eat a food that they used to be able to eat 10 years ago. You know what I mean? It's gonna be hard. I bet you most people can point to one thing. Now find me someone that's free of some type of mild autoimmune type issue, whether it be a skin issue, digestive issue. And then tell me how many are suffering from some of these things and don't realize how their body's expressing it because it's different than what everybody else they've heard. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's way more common than we realize. Unfortunately, we don't necessarily have a test for it until the symptoms show up. And it's inside your body. So it's not like your skin where I can look at my skin and be like, oh shit, my skin's inflamed. Like we can't really tell what that looks like unless it's like really extreme, right? So I was thinking about this and I'm like, huh? The digestive process begins in the mouth, right? And I know that, and there are studies that show this that if you have bad oral health, let's say you have your gums bleed, which is actually quite common. It's actually quite common that people have gums that may bleed when they brush their teeth or when they floss. They've actually shown that if you have some type of gum disease, even mild, that it's strongly correlated to heart disease and they think it's because bacteria travels through the gums into the body, can get to the heart, cause inflammation of the heart. So now I'm thinking, holy fuck. You're eating food in the context of poor oral health. You could also be creating food intolerances just through your mouth. Oh yeah, through the bacteria that's already like sitting dormant within your teeth. Bacteria or food. Did you run that by like Dr. Rusio, do you know? No, I didn't run it by anybody. This is just a thought that I was having because I'm thinking, well, if you're eating food and you're chewing on food and it doesn't have to even go down into your stomach. If you have poor oral health and you have gums that kind of bleed a little bit or whatever, that food could, or particles could get into your bloodstream and your body could develop an immune reaction to it. I wonder what the likelihood of that is though. I think it might be high. I'm guessing. I mean, I'm totally this again speculating, but. That would be a great question for Mike. I feel like most dentists I've known are like super healthy. They really have like, I don't know, if they've like very forward thinking and like most of them are pretty familiar with functional medicine and everything else. The ones that I've talked to. I know, I'm trying to write my friend on all the dentists that I know that. Yeah, I mean, think about it this way. Like think of something that. I definitely don't know. It is a very like crucial part of your health. Well, think about it this way. Think of something you're allergic to normally that you don't eat like pollen, right? You breathe in pollen. It causes you know, allergies to you. Imagine if you took some of that pollen and you like rubbed it in an open sore. Like you might create a much worse immune reaction. In fact, you probably would, I would assume. No, I get break out in like hives and stuff when like I'll get all this like kind of red rash. So I'm allergic to pollen. And when it gets on the dogs and that's why I have to bathe them every week. Because if they, if I go two weeks without bathing and they've got so much pollen on them that just from me petting them I break out in rashes and stuff. So dental health is extremely important for just total health, which I knew that already in regards to heart health because there's already been studies on that. But in terms of developing food intolerances, it's important. And here's the other side of it too. What contributes to good oral health? Well, there's the obvious, right? Brush your teeth, floss, all that other shit. But the not so obvious contributes very, very, very largely to oral health and that's your diet. A lot of people don't realize just how much. And dental dams. Whoa. Yeah, yeah. Just how much your diet contributes to your oral health. So like, if your microbiome and your mouth is off you're gonna get lots of cavities and you're gonna get some gum disease and stuff like that. And that's from just your, what you eat normally. And then there's a doctor, I can't remember his name now. What's that website, Doug, with... Western Price? Thank you. So Western Price, you guys familiar with Dr. Western Price? Yeah. Okay, so he was a dentist that traveled the world and he documented people's teeth around the world and then he documented hunter-gatherers, modern hunter-gatherers teeth. And he was from modern Western societies and he dealt with cavities and braces and, I mean, the amount of kids that need braces in modern Western societies is pretty high. Especially when you consider, before braces were invented how the fuck did that work? Like, if your teeth are bad enough that would probably take away your ability to survive and eat and cavities could for sure kill you if you're a caveman. Like you can't fix that if it becomes an infection that can go up into your sinus, it's got a lot of problems. Having to remove wisdom teeth as often as we do. So he went into these modern hunter-gatherers and he took pictures of their teeth because he was fucking blown away that everybody had super straight teeth, all their teeth fit, nobody had a cavity. He couldn't believe it. They were not brushing their teeth. Yeah, it's the Western diet that's created all this problem. Totally. They weren't brushing their teeth. They didn't do any of the modern practices of keeping oral health. And yet they had these like, and he took all their pictures, he wrote a book on it and you could see like these really nice teeth. My dad did not brush his teeth as, he was poor. Didn't brush his teeth as a kid. They couldn't afford toothbrushes. And I used to ask him, how the fuck did you clean your teeth? He's like, oh, I just used my finger and wiped my teeth. Didn't brush his teeth. Didn't go to a dentist until he was in his mid-20s for the first time you went to a dentist here in America. Went to the dentist and they could not believe that he'd never been to a dentist because my dad's never had a cavity and he's got the straightest teeth you've ever seen. And he ate, he was poor and so his family ate like meat and legumes and fruits and vegetables and things that they grew. And he had just excellent teeth. It's kind of interesting, right? It's interesting how all these factors add up. So I'll just think about that. I thought, gee, I wonder how many of these autoimmune issues we can cause just because we also have shitty, like, mouth health and then we eat foods and that gives it up. Doesn't it seem like everything that we seek as far as pleasure-wise, we have to make this deal with ourself? Totally. When you think about that, this whole thing of like seeking after pleasure, it's like and chasing these things that we want to and it's like whatever it's feeding, there's a price that it pays and are you willing to take that and is it once or twice? Not a big deal, but is it something I do on a regular basis? You could fuck me up. So this leads, so that's, it's almost like you know exactly what I'm gonna talk about. So that leads me to the next thought that I had. And you're right, whenever you're sacrificing for something for the future, so like, okay, right now I'm gonna work out so that I'm healthier tomorrow or right now I'm not gonna eat this cake so I'm healthy tomorrow. What you're doing is you're making a deal with your present self for your future self, right? That's psychologically speaking, that's exactly what you're doing, so. You're putting hay in the barn. Yeah, it's exactly what you're doing. So if I eat this cake right now, my present self is gonna really fucking enjoy this, but my future self is not gonna like this so much. I'm gonna feel bad and if I do this enough time, I'm gonna become unhealthy obese and all these other things. So you're always bargaining between your future and your present self. So I was thinking about, and Dr. Jordan Peterson talks about this in his book, 12 Rules and I thought it was absolutely brilliant that that's the origin of sacrifice, like the origin of, if you look at religions, they sacrifice animals in the ancient times and really it's a very primitive way of doing that, right? You're sacrificing the now for later and then their eyes, they're doing it for God, but in the reality, if you're planning and you're smart enough to be able to have an extra animal to sacrifice, you're probably gonna do better off later on, which is probably why that practice lasted for thousands of years. So I'm thinking about this and then I'm thinking about how tough it is for people to quote, unquote, stick with a diet or stick with an exercise program. And I'm thinking about this and I'm starting to realize that this is how complicated we are as humans, like this is the bane of human consciousness. We create these separate parts of ourselves that we have debates and discussions with. Like there's two parts of us and for those of you that don't fucking believe this, okay, how many times have you said this? I can't have that. I can't eat that right now. What do you mean you can't? Who's making you forcing you to not? Oh, I am forcing myself. Who is this other you? Well, it's the future you. And here's one of the reasons why, and this was a paradigm shattering fucking moment for me last night. Literally kept me up thinking about this last night. When you're, how many of you, I mean, in this room right now, raise your hand when you like it when someone forces you to do something. Nobody. In fact, you forced me to do anything. My instinct is to do the opposite. Because I hate tyranny. I don't like being forced. Nobody does. This is natural. This is a natural, you know, state of being. Kids are like this and so are adults. Like the second you're forced to do something, you don't want to do it because you don't like being forced. If you want to do something or you choose to do something it's a totally different thought process. So I'm thinking to myself and I'm like, wow. The reason why people have so much trouble with nutrition and exercise and discipline is because they are feeling tyrannized. They're feeling tyranny from their future self. In other words, I am not letting myself do this versus I don't want to do this. Two completely different schools of thought. So if I have a, if I'm at a birthday party and there's cake and I want to, and I'm looking at it and like, wow, that looks really good, but I can't eat it. I'm feeling like I myself I'm forcing myself to not eat it, which nobody fucks. Yeah, there's internal conflict there. Nobody likes that. Nobody will stay doing that for too long. At some point you're going to rebel against the tyranny of yourself. So really it's realizing that the two people that you're, that you're, that are arguing and one is forcing the other is a false belief. It's a psychological phenomenon you've created within yourself because there's some value that comes with it. But if that other you that you've created in your own mind starts to become a dictator and starts to force you or at least you start to feel like he forces you you are not going to feel good about what you're doing and you're not going to stick to it. And so what you need to do and it's extremely powerful to do this and I've done this myself is rather than saying I have to do this is realize that you are not forcing anything. The reason why you're not doing it is because you're choosing. Dude, I practiced that all the time when I don't want the cake, you know? That's it, yeah. I don't want it. It makes such a big difference. Yeah, it's not that I can't have it. Like that's awful. No, and you know what? You know what? Who was I just talking to? Who was it that we were just hanging out with? It says the, if I can't, I must. Who are we just hanging out? Oh, it's Ben. Yeah, Ben must have said that like five different times. Dude, think about all the shit that you hate doing because you feel like you're being forced to do it. And if you just changed the paradigm of it and realized that you, first off, you can't force yourself to do anything because it's you, really. So it's not like you forcing yourself unless you were literally two different people but you're not. Realize that there isn't, that doesn't even exist. The reality is you don't want to. Now think of all the shit that you hate to do because of that. Think of it like I hated doing shit around the house. Like I hated it. Why? Because I felt like I was being forced. And there was a moment where I remember specifically, this was when I was married, it was towards the end of my marriage when I had a lot of, me and my wife at the time had lots of issues, lots of, it goes way deep. I'm not even gonna go into it because then it'll make one person look bad and all that stuff, I'm not gonna do that. But one of the things that she had an issue with me was that I didn't help around the house. And I didn't want to listen to that because I had my own issues with her. And so I'm like, if you don't listen to me, I'm not gonna listen to you. And this is just common when people lose communication and it turns into a bunch of bullshit. But towards the end I said, okay, you know what? I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try doing exactly what she's telling me to do. That way we get it out of the way so we can address these other issues that I find important. Because I figured she's probably in the same boat I'm at where she's not listening to me because I'm not listening to her. So I'm gonna just do what she wants me to do. Now when I did that, I did it because I wanted to because I thought to myself, I wanna do this. I'm gonna choose to do this. So then I would be washing dishes. I'd be folding laundry. And then I'd find myself enjoying it, which was very strange for me because any other time I did it before, I felt like I was being forced. I fucking hated it. It changed your purpose. Totally changed everything. And you can apply, and I'll tell you what, your thought process is everything when it comes to your meaning and the quality of your life and getting shit done. Do you believe the greater the sacrifice, the greater the reward then? Of course. Yeah. It gives you, I mean, it makes things worthy. What is the prize without the work? It's nothing. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like, I've used this example so many times, like people who win the lottery, they've done studies on these. Like these people are, if they're depressed before they win that money, two, three years later, they're depressed again because there was no value in it. It's just cash. Now of course, if you're starving, you don't have a roof over your head, that's totally different. But a lot of these people, when the lottery have those things, so then they get all this money and then they're super excited for a couple years and they realize at the back where they were before or sometimes worse, sometimes even worse because they now realize that that wasn't the answer, right? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I felt that the entire time I was in school, you know, like every part of the educational process I felt like, you know, it was mandated and then I had to go in this direction. I had to learn this subject and getting outside of that environment and then going back and revisiting a lot of topics and studying on my own. It's been like game changer because now I wanna do it, you know? Now I wanna pursue more knowledge in that direction. And I mean, that's just something I've noticed about myself with just about everything. It's the same thing with cleanings, same thing, like if anybody tells me to do something at one point, like there's an immediate like resistance, but you know, that's where, two, I try to check myself on that and then try to figure out how I can make it like my own momentum in that direction. And so I'm not like confrontational with somebody trying to tell me something because, you know, like that's not gonna work either. No, dude, it's literally the core foundation of intuitive eating, you know, if you will, like it's the core of it. Like I'm eating this because I want to, I'm not eating that because I just, I don't want to. And people confuse that. It's so hard though when people, people don't understand their own emotions, dude. They don't understand like, and so they're sometimes reading the wrong signals. So I think, well, I mean, think about that. Like, think you're- You gotta have a serious level of awareness to really be able to unpack that, break that down like that. It was so, it was like as clear as day to me. I think to myself, I'm like, you know what? I should do this thing. I need to do this thing. I'm supposed to do this thing. I'm not supposed to do that thing. And then I'm thinking like, I don't wanna fucking do that, you know? But I have to. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, wait a minute. Who's forcing me to do this? Like who's literally forcing me? And I'm like, myself, who is this other me? I'm like, it's this fictional character that I've created that is being a dictator over me. No wonder I don't wanna fucking do it. Nobody wants to do anything they're being forced. I'm like, but I created that. It's in my control. So then as soon as I killed that character and then realized, well, the reason why I created that character in the first place, like think of it this way. The reason why I created this dictator in the first place that's forcing me to not eat sugar, for example, is because I see the value in not eating sugar. I see so much value in not eating sugar that I created this fictional character to force me to do it. But wait a minute, if I see so much value in it, I don't need to create this fictional dictator. You should want to. I just, I don't want to. I literally don't want to. So why don't I just not? I'm literally seeing like, you know how you see like a devil and an angel on your shoulder? It's fiction, that's course. But like almost like a little dictator and then a little hippie guy like, yeah, man, you can do it. It's about love. You know, that's what I see with you. Why do you think that's... Yeah. Come on, Sal, love yourself. You deserve it, buddy. That's been depicted in cartoons and movies for so long. Great and smart. Everybody can, okay. So in this is what, I'm getting this from the book. By the way, I guarantee it's because I've been reading 12 Rules of Life because he talks about how... Of course, the reason why I'm on the same page is you call him. Yeah, yeah. It makes a lot of sense, bro. He talks about psychology a lot, right? Cause he's a clinical psychologist and he talks about how like a lot of times we will create an argument. Like when you're thinking, what you're really doing is you're debating two different sides of something. That's what real thinking is, right? You're trying to process something by creating two different ends of it. And sometimes we don't really want to debate it. We want to pretend like we're debating it. So what we do is we create, there's the one side that we really want to follow, but we know we should probably think it through. So then we create another side that's weak that we know we're going to defeat. And then we do this propaganda where we... So we can just steamroll it. Yeah, and we're like, oh yeah, I thought about it. No, you really didn't. You really didn't do it, think about it. You just pretended to make yourself feel better. People like pat themselves on the back for like, oh yeah, dude, I was totally going to give money to that charity, you know, just the thought of that like makes me feel good. Yeah, no. And I'm thinking like, wow, that's human consciousness. We're always creating these characters. And think about how many times you like talk to yourself or like you said, Justin, the devil and the angel. I mean, the terminology of like listening to that voice. And then there's this other voice in my head that says this and then this other voice says that. What voice? You're not possessed by demons. You need to read what I'm reading right now, which is how emotions are made. I know it'll be such a perfect follow up and where your head space is right now because it's so, it's super fascinating. And I touched on it a little bit with Dr. Molly, but what you're getting into right now is a lot of what the book is because it's, there's a lot of other factors that come into this because where that person's current head space is at, like where they're at, like as far as being positive or if they've got some stuff going on in their life that's got them down or they just recently got fired. They just recently got a promotion. Like all these things makes a difference on how they respond and react to these opportunities or things that arise. And it's not always the same pathway. It doesn't work that way. It's not like A to B always, it's all gonna be, there's always so many individual variances because we're constantly going through all these different emotions and days and spikes and ups and downs. So even the same exact question or same exact possibility or the same exact opportunity is never the same because of all the other factors. Dude, it's think about how, like imagine right, and we don't appreciate just how complex the human psyche is sometimes. I really think though, I really think that sometimes we see a problem or a situation and we're like, the answer is simple, just do this or just do that. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously if people just, if they're obese and they just said, oh, I'm just gonna eat healthier and move more. Well, yeah, I guess that's the answer, but way more complex than that. If life was just a math equation, we'd be doing, like everything would be easy. Because you'd know exactly like if this then that, but there's so many variables. And that's just it, like it's all about this duality in our minds or maybe even more than two things where we're constantly in this battle between the dictator us who's telling us what we should do and this rebellious us that's saying, don't fucking tell me what to do. And it's this back and forth, back and forth. But then when you realize that you have created these fictional imaginary characters in your mind that you don't have to have two of them. And you're not chained to one of them. No, in fact, that's neither one of those as you, by the way. The guy that's telling you to do it and the guys that's rebelling it, isn't even you. The you is the one that's observing all of it. Boy, when you reach that point, it's like, you start to make friends with things that you used to hate to do or you felt forced to do. You start to make friends with it and you realize like, oh, like, I want to do my yard work because I like the way it looks and that's it. Like, I'm not forced to do this. I just like the way it looks. And when you make friends with it, it makes everything fucking easy, man. It really does. Otherwise it's a, of course, man. Nobody wants to be forced to do anything. You tell me to do anything and my instinct is to tell you to go fuck yourself. Right, right. I don't care who's telling me, especially if it's me. It's not just fitness, it's everything too, man. That's it. Yeah, it's across all boards. Well, that's why it's interesting because we've all learned that through fitness and enjoying the process and actually like, I get excited to go work out and work on my body, but at the same time, working on my house or doing the mundane shit that will propel you forward. Why don't I carry that same momentum? Why don't I carry that same energy into those projects? Well, this reminds me of why we started this project was that that's what's so wrong is that our industry is focusing on all the wrong things and they have been for a really long time. And we've been a part of it. We were a part of the problem for a really long time because that's how you, you tell you made money. It's how you had to throw in the hammer of dictator ideas right on you. Yeah, dude. And it's really not the real root cause of most of people's struggle of getting in really good shape. That's not worth, it's rooted in their head. It's rooted in the psychological side more than anything else. And it took me a really long time in training a lot of people before I really connected those dots personally. That took me a while. Oh dude, it took me towards the, it was like towards the back half of my career I would train clients and start realizing that, wow, if I do this slow enough and I do this with the right approach, they all of a sudden that it switches. And the dictator starts to shrink and then it becomes disappears and then they switch to this, oh, I wanna do this. And these were all, I mean, I wasn't training athletes. I wasn't training anybody that was hard. I had very few hardcore clients. 90% or more of my clients were people that did not have any fitness background or discipline, if you will. These were all regular people. And I was able to, when I changed my approach, I haven't, look, we've been doing Mind Pump now for three years. I haven't trained a single one of these clients for at least two years, right? That's a long time. Two years without training with their trainer. Every single one of these people is still exercising. It's still working out. And not all of them are training with a trainer. Some of them went to another trainer cause they enjoyed doing that. Some of them said, hey, I'm gonna do this on my own. And I keep in contact with them and every once in a while they'll send me their workout and stuff. I mean, real lifestyle changes. And it takes a while sometimes. I had clients who'd wanna lose 30 pounds. They don't lose 30 pounds for three years. You know, and all of a sudden they lost it. Yeah. Like for the first three years at least. Like it just clicked. Yeah, just, it wouldn't. I've had so many clients like that. Right? So I was just mind blowing to me because I'm sitting there and I'm like, wait a minute, who the fuck is telling me? Well, that's why being for them, being there for them like matters so much more. Yeah. You know, then trying to push them and propel them in a certain direction. They have to literally internalize it. And then it becomes obvious once they go through that process. It's pretty crazy. That's why I used to put so much responsibility on my clients. And it took me a long time to figure that piece out too. It was, you know, I used to be the trainer who fed right into what every client wanted, which was give me a meal plan, give me a workout, tell me what to do. I could do that. Here you go, here you go, here you go, here you go. And that was kind of like the formula. Later on in my career was the complete opposite. Like I did nothing. And yet I was a way better trainer. And what I mean by I did nothing wasn't that I didn't literally do nothing, but I put it on them to present everything to me because if you really want to learn about yourself, if you really want to figure. Right, it takes work. I know that for sure. And don't worry, I'm going to help you out with all the math and the hard decisions of where we go from here or there. Like I'm going to direct this ship, but you're going to be fucking moving us. Not me moving you. This is, it's not the other way around. So they would have to send me all their measurements, all their weights, all their stuff. And we're tracking and I'm talking them through that process because I know what's going to happen within the more like the Oracle. Yeah, right. And three or four days later, they're going to do, they're going to call me up and go or say to me, Adam, oh my God, I just, this happened to me. I go, well, let's look at your food log and let's see where the foods you've been eating for the last two days. And let's talk about it. And then a boom, this light bulb goes off. I'm like, oh really, I didn't get fat. That's crazy. And you have to allow people to learn. Yeah, if you don't know so much information, you feel like, I don't know, for some reason, we feel so compelled to keep like throwing stuff at them. And you haven't even given them enough time to learn. It's, you can't, you don't really teach people anything. You're just helping them learn. You're helping them teach themselves. Because that's the only way you really learn is when you get it yourself. Now, sometimes someone can present information to you that sparks that and that's part of the trainer's job. But a big part of the trainer's job is just like helping you reveal to yourself what needs to be done. Right, and you know, that's why too, for a trainer, it's a huge success, even if you reveal one big rock for them. That's it. And they never even see their goal. Like maybe their goal was to, like you said, lose 30 pounds but there are so many other things, big rocks that they were missing in their life. For example, sleep. Like how many times have you got a client before and they're part of the reason why they've struggled themselves to lose this. They've already tried every diet. They've tried every workout program. They're coming to you now because they're lost completely. Which we always know that's a bigger project because this person has to undo a lot of the bad stuff that they've done to themselves for so long. And that sometimes takes a long time. And if you can just get them to create one better habit that you know will really impact their life long term. Like for example, sleep. I always go there now. It was an area that I didn't put a lot of emphasis on when we first started, you know? That's why I love fitness so much. Like if you can kind of get your mind wrapped around fitness, you can take all the stuff you learned with fitness and apply it towards pretty much all your life. And it's just a basic, it's a very easy thing to understand. It's still not easy, but it's just easier to understand than all the complexities of like life. So if you can, you just nail down fitness a little bit and figure that out. Well, and to be fair, like I know that why we were all so impressed with Paul Check is because he's been able to distill like almost everything down to like a few like major things. Especially fitness wise, like that to even focus on. Like when he talks to somebody, it's just like, you know, those three, four major things that will move you forward. And that's it. So awesome. Master those. So absolutely awesome. So some current events stuff. I know we've been bringing some current events stuff. And so yesterday, you guys have seen, I'm sure, if you've been on anywhere on social media, the gun control debate has just gone crazy, right? People on both sides are just getting really, lots of vitriol, lots of anger, lots of, you know, you don't care about the kids. No, you don't care about the kids. And you don't, you know, this, that and the other. And you got one side saying, we need to arm, you know, teachers or we need to have police, you know, at our schools. And you got another side that's like ban all guns or ban these guns or whatever. So I'm looking at this and I love this discussion because not because we have to have it because it's a difficult discussion to have, but because there are some interesting points that you can be, that can be made on both sides. So I'm kind of, you know, I'm mulling it over. I'm actually discussing with Jessica. We're having a great discussion over it. And then I get on, come upon this article with these, they're not biohackers. I think they're biohackers. They're kind of like biohackers, right? And biohackers are this new group of people. And it's just like this broad umbrella of people who like to experiment with themselves and create new things that they can do with their bodies and what they can do with technology. And I'm reading this article on how 3D printers. So for the people that don't know, a 3D printer can print objects. So rather than printing on a piece of paper, it can print like a cup out of plastic mold or the advanced 3D printers now can print parts for things that you put together. Or even, they even have these massive 3D printers that can print a house now out of like single compounds or whatever, right? So I'm reading this article and there's these hackers that are using 3D printers and they're printing guns and they're printing effective guns. That's already happening. Oh yeah. Okay, so there was one called the liberator that you could print with plastic. Wow. Yes. So it's undetectable. With plastic and I think one metal part or maybe no metal parts. So it's all plastic. It was a single shot pistol and you could print it with a 3D printer that you could buy. It's crazy. You could buy, there's these commercial 3D printers you could buy and you could print it's the single shot handgun. And that happened a few years ago. Well, now 3D printers have advanced so much over the last few years that now these guys are printing multi-shot guns and one guy printed a semi-automatic rifle with like a capacity. So what? Like a 12, like 12 bullets. You just made me think, you said you grazed over something that just made me go, whoa, if we could get to a point where we can print houses and that's like a project that can be done in two days with a little bit of material, the house, it will fucking flip the house. It would be crazy. I've already seen some of these, I don't know if they have robots attached or whatever to these 3D printers but I've saw them live build a bridge. Yep. Crazy. So 3D, people don't realize this but in the future 3D printing has the ability to disrupt just, it's gonna be the most, one of the most disruptive technologies. All engineering. Everything. It'll be one of the most disruptive technologies that mankind has ever seen. But in terms of guns, these guys are printing guns and the way that they're doing it is they're just sharing files. Okay, now think about that. And the materials to make these guns, you could buy at any fucking hardware store, right? Right. So think about it this way now. How powerful is the music and entertainment industry? One of the most powerful in the world, right? Billions of dollars. Extremely powerful. Have they been able to stop illegal file sharing for music and movies? Yeah, not at all. Not at all. In fact, I could go online right now. What you're saying is like, nobody's gonna be able to make money. What I'm trying to say is, no, I didn't stop it. Is what it is. It doesn't matter even if you ban all guns. Good luck. Yeah, good luck. We'll just, you know what? And if anything, it'll only cause a more of an uproar of underground market. You can make it as illegal as you want. Right. Like right now, it's illegal to download music or whatever. But if I want to, right? Now look, here's the thing. I am not tech savvy. I've never had free music. I've never shared free music. I never used Napster, never did any of that stuff. If I buy music, I go through. Well, I pirated the shit out of them. I tell you, Steve. I had Napster, too. We did it in college. We had like a list. Well, that was right in the heart of when you were a kid into music. I just couldn't believe that. You could do it, you know? Like we all took turns like downloading, you know, but whatever. Everybody did, right? I bet I could go right now on my phone and I can within 10 minutes find a way to download a free music or even a free movie. And those are extremely regulated and controlled industries. Like guns are gonna be printed and you ain't gonna be able to stop the sharing of files. Like you are, the toothpaste is out of the tube. You can't put it back in the tube. What the fuck are you gonna do now? Right. You can't do anything when people can print guns. It's gonna be like good luck trying to do gun control anything. So when I hear the arguments for gun control and there's the bait back and forth, then I read this and I'm like, whoa, that's a whole nother monster, dude. That's a whole nother monster. It's futile. Like the only way we're gonna be able to deal with that kind of a situation is that if it ever becomes super dangerous, which I disagree, because we already have, here's a fact, right? You don't forget about mass shootings and this and that. I think there's some crazy psychological dysfunction that goes on with that. But let's just look at everyday violence that's done in America, gun violence, murders, right? Go to Chicago. Chicago's got a murder rate that's equivalent to some third world countries. Yeah, it's crazy. When you've got stuff like that going on, you're, and there's already three over, there's easily over 300 million guns already in circulation in America. So more guns in America, legal guns. We didn't even know the illegal ones, but there's already more guns in circulation than people already. We've been well-armed for, since the founding of this country, right? Just, there's guns everywhere. If it ever becomes super, super dangerous, which I don't think it will, then the only option will be to carry a gun yourself, right, to defend yourself. If that ever happens, but here's why I don't think it'll happen. We've had guns forever in this country. We've got more guns today than we did 30 years ago. And total gun violence, total gun murders, and this is a real statistic, is that it's the lowest point in 30 years. So, although total, although guns in society may be a contributing factor to violence, which by the way, that argument is actually disputable back and forth. I've looked at the evidence and I would totally side with the evidence if it was clear, but it's not. But let's, so if it was a big factor, it's obviously not the factor because otherwise we would be more violent total today than we were 30 years ago with more guns, right? So I think, fuck, 3D printers, printing guns. It's gonna change everything, the whole landscape. They're gonna be able to do drugs too, bro. They are gonna be able to print molecule by molecule. Yeah, you'll be able to, if you can print a fucking gun, you're gonna be able to print a fucking drug, a pharmaceutical drug, no problem. So that's gonna, it's gonna blow everything out. That's why I think the future is, the future is anarcho-capitalism. Whether we like it or not. Yeah, it's gonna be like total, so decentralized. Like think about brands. And this is why I believe so much in the blockchain. How is this gonna look all- This is why I believe so much in blockchain and crypto, because- So either that or something like it. Well, yeah, the blockchain, that's why I said blockchain and not cryptocurrency, right? What cryptocurrency, I can't tell you that. And that's why I don't think it's something smart to heavily invest in, but pay attention because blockchain is here to stay. And it's gonna be for reasons like this, is because there will be people like ourselves that will, I'll have no problem having a quarter of my income in cryptocurrencies that gives me the freedom to buy, purchase, whatever I want, whenever I want and protected to where nobody can trace it back to me and I can have what I, you know what I'm saying? Like that's fucking here, dude. That's here and it's gonna happen. Everything's gonna be so decentralized. Everything, like brands, who the fuck cares about brands when I can print a pair of shoes that's identical at home and I just get the raw materials that are cheap as shit. You know what I mean? Who cares about, like you said, medicine? It's gonna be all about design. I mean, think about the creativity, like how that's gonna be more important going forward because people are gonna have to construct new things, new ideas, new ways of building things. So I think there's gonna be a lot of demand for people that have that kind of a skill set. Of course. Okay, so I said that the house thing would flip the housing market on its head. It would just change the profession. Like now there's a huge market for people who could create and design these like sick houses. Architects. Yeah, yeah. So the high demand. It would be decentralized because all these files would be shared online. It would be no different than YouTube decentralizing entertainment. You'd all of a sudden have like, you know, at home designers design something, they'd test it and be like, oh, this works. You can download this if you want and print your own house on your own land and people will do it. How about this? I had this conversation with someone who's like, oh no, it's gonna be, you know, then that means the printer owners are gonna be the fucking rulers of the world. And I'm like, no fucker, because you'll be able to 3D print a 3D printer. Like you'll be able to, that's the thing. Like you'll be able to start. You can print a printer. You'll be able to print, that's it. Dude, think about it. It's like an inception. You know what I'm saying? Like it's gonna be so disruptive. I don't even think we can come close to imagine a fucking... That is inception, bro. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You'll be able to change the program. The egg, whatever, I got a 3D printer. You'll be able to change the program and it'll improve upon the previous program and then you'll print it. Now how crazy will that be? Like you said drugs, but what if they get, you know, obviously I'm sure they're working on bio. Oh, they've printed tissue. Yeah, like you can make like new lens for yourself. They've actually printed, they can print tissue. They'll be a point where they'll be able to print complex organs. Like a heart, or well, you know, not the brain, maybe at some point, but I don't think now, but they'll be able to print, you know, like your kidneys or a heart or a valve or a tendon. Or so they'll be able to harvest your stem cells. Oh, you tore your ACL. We'll make you a new ACL from your own stem cells and they'll print it with this machine and then they'll put it in your body. It's your own fucking cells. Boom, now you're brand new. It's a bunch of crazy shit, but yeah, it took me down that path cause it's all, it's not like I get so excited about it. It's like totally sci-fi, but it's like real life now. It's like, what the fuck? It's very much so. And it's so funny how our brains work because it's like it's a gun control battle and it's like, I'm not even thinking about it. Oh dude, there's so many things coming. That's immediate, gun controls around the corner or printing guns is around the corner. We are literally within 10 years. It's like putting a little patch on, you know, one little crack in the dam, you know? It's like, ooh, I'm gonna put some spackle on here. Right, cool. And then debating and arguing if it's great, worth it or not worth it. It's gonna explode in your face. Or what kind of spackle you should use. That's what you're seeing right now. That's it, dude. And other countries are gonna be doing it. So all these countries that are like, we don't have guns in our societies. Okay, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens in 10 years. Cause it's within 10 years. It's not, it's not, that's not close it is, bro. And within 10 years, we're gonna have 3D printers. It's 10 years? Easily, easily. You know how fast that shit's advancing right now? It's silly. Have they like moved up the date for that like AI where they think that it's gonna become like self-aware? Well, the futurist was his name. Ray Kurzweil thinks it'll happen like 20, 40 something. Well, let me, let me throw this in the mix. So you know that China has actually made a massive initiative to be the first. And so they're treating it like we did. But the Rock Moon. Oh yeah. Yes. Yes, they just put that out in the media and said that like, they have everybody working on it right now. It's the Cold War, dude. I'm over again. That sent a chill down my spine. Wow. Really? Yes. No shit, I didn't see that. Oh yeah. I'm telling you dude. It's real. Right now, we are either going to save ourselves or we're gonna completely destroy ourselves. That's the argument too is to why, why we haven't encountered like intelligent life. One of the, one of the arguments is, well, maybe the process is intelligent life ends up destroying itself before it's able to reach a technology where it can travel interstellar this way. Like maybe this is just the natural like we get so smart and we just push, push, push and then we end up like destroying ourselves somehow. And then it just recycles. Who knows? Yeah, I don't know, dude. It's pretty fucking, it's pretty wild, right? It's too weird, man. It's weird shit. Did you say you had a headline or something, Justin? Oh, I just had a funny article that I thought like you specifically would appreciate, Sal. Oh, great. Was it Sardinia's? Given your background. So here's the, here's the news title for it. Pennsylvania man with red sauce on his face arrested for meatballs theft. What? What? A fairy, a fairy, okay. So Pennsylvania man was caught red faced after a neighbor reported a stolen pot of meatballs and he was arrested for trespassing and theft charges. Basically just like walked into this guy's house, stole his meatballs, ate it really quick, got it all over his face in his shirt. So they caught him red handed. Dude, you imagine trying to deny that to the cops? It's just dripping off your face. Who calls the cops over stolen meatballs? Come on, man. You know what though? Think about it. This guy, if someone came into your house and ate your food, I'd fucking be. Oh, I would be pissed. I'd be super mad. Dude, and it takes like, I explained the process of making meatballs, right? That's a whole process. It's probably a neighbor. We don't know the backstory. The backstory is it's the neighbor they've been living there for four years. He's been asking the motherfucker that has the meatballs to mow his lawn. He hasn't mowed his lawn in four weeks. He's like, you don't mow your lawn. I'm gonna eat your meatballs. Or like he's letting his dog just shit on his lawn. Yeah, yeah, he shit on his dog, shit on his lawn. He's like, your dog shit's on my lawn one more time. I'm gonna eat your meatball. I'm gonna eat your fucking meatballs. Dude, this reminds me of school. I would do some shit like that, dude. So this reminds me of a story. I had a client. And then I get caught arrested, you know? Fuck! I had a client once who had his house burglarized and he was telling me the story and he goes, here's the worst part. He goes, I had a sandwich in the refrigerator and the fucking burglars, not only robbed my house, but they ate half my sandwich and drank some of my beer and left them on the counter. Oh man. Like, the nerve. You know what she- You know how badly- Yeah, how angry would you be? That was my sandwich for the fuck- You know what's even more bullshit? Is that the cops don't do any investigation on that. Like, this isn't fucking CSI when they get like a saliva and a hair sample for some stolen TVs, dude. I remember the first time I figured that out was when my first car got stolen. Like, I've had two cars stolen from me, right? And within a 10-year span. Like, the cops never mind me of that movie. He goes like, you guys have any leads or anything? He's like, leads? Leads. Yeah, no, it's like that. They don't fucking do nothing about that, dude. Like, oh, someone breaks in your house, steals all your shit, bro. Cops roll up, they're like- They don't give a fuck. Yeah, we didn't catch them. No. We're not gonna try either. Wait a second. He let the sandwich here, he ate half it. I'm sure there's a hair somewhere in this- No, dude. Hey, fucking with that. Unless you're like, get his DNA. The president or something like that. What a shitty feeling, by the way. Did you feel that way, though? I thought that's how it worked as a kid. Yeah, man. Until my first experience was something like- Do some detective work. Like, I understand, like, I don't know, maybe something small. Like a bike being stolen, maybe. But if like a car, like a 20-something, $30,000 vehicle gets stolen, like, you don't even know investigation happens? Yeah, nothing. Yeah, they don't have time for it. No, that's a shitty feeling, isn't it? When my house got broken into, I became so vigilant for like a year. Like, afterwards, I was like this asshole was like looking at everybody. Bat next to your bed and shit. Oh, yeah, dude, I know I bought it. Some old lady walking by with a dog, and she's like, it was you. Yeah, dude, I bought a sword. This is how, this is how- This is how crazy I was. I bought it, first I bought, first I- That's your first new way of buying a sword? Yeah, that's your first thought? No, no, first I bought a gun, okay? So I had my first as money, I first bought my gun. So I had a gun, and then I'm like, you know what? I locked it up, I put it in a safe, because I have kids, right? I want to be very safe about that. I'm like, what if I don't have time to grab my gun in the safe that's, you know- A machete. That's like seven feet from me, right? So I bought this, I don't know, what the fuck, I'm- Samurai sword? Yeah, it's like a big old, bro, like, I bought this sword and I have it next to my bed, and then I thought to myself, dude, then I thought to myself, would I have the balls to like, like, chop somebody? Like, how gruesome would that be? Like, imagine if you had a sword, there's a guy in your house, and you know, I have to kill him with the sword right now. He's just like, oh, big mistake! Yeah. Yeah, you're a mistake. Slice. I don't know if I could stab somebody. Bro, it's not like the movies where you're like, you're like, I could shoot somebody who's an invader, no problem. Like, if you come in- It's one time, right? Yeah, right, and you're coming at me, like, I could feel like I could react quick enough, if I shoot you, but to stab- It's like buying ninja stars. I don't know, you know what, I say that too, and I do remember being scared as a kid, getting into fights too, and then once you are in it, it's like you have a switch that goes off as survival. Here's the thing, I was thinking, I literally went through this on my head because that's why I leave my clubs near the door. Yeah. Oh, your workout clubs? My big ass Indian clubs. Well, think about this, I'm thinking in my head like- Like a head bludgeon somebody. I'm like, I need to be mentally prepared if this ever happens, because I don't want to be caught like, oh my God, and then what do I do? So I need to like- Right. I need to make up my mind in my head that I can do this. I feel like every man goes through this. Yeah, so I'm running through the scenarios on my head. I agree. And if I had a sword, I'm like, the odds that the first swipe is just gonna kill him are not that high. He's probably gonna block it with his arm, which means I'm probably gonna, like, I'm gonna have to cut in him a bunch of time. Like, I'm gonna have to hack at him. Oh yeah, he's gonna read, his arms are gonna block, so he's gonna like, at least grab part of it, and then you have to pull back. Yeah, it's not gonna be a one swipe in his head. It's gonna be ugly. It's gonna be ugly. It's gonna be bloody, scary. I have to be dedicated. You're gonna hear the slicing of his skin. It lets you come in overhead and you stab forward. See? You know, just- I don't know if it's that easy. Have you ever done it? No, of course not. You know what I'm saying? There's no way. I feel like- You're gonna pull it off. I feel like it's way more work than you think. It's gonna have to be like, the whole time have to be committed to like, neutralizing the threat. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, I'm sure he's not gonna sit there and take it. Well, I think it's more just scaring the fuck out of him. This is why practicing and doing like, I mean, martial arts are doing these practices with stuff like that. So it becomes routine, right? You just go into sport mode. You just go into like, I get in my stance and I know this is what I'm supposed to do. Damn, dude. So much of it's mental. I just know it, you know what I mean? Fuck that. Yeah, but you- I have a sword. You know what? If it's into your house and you're Papa Bear and you've got your kids, bro, I'm sure like- Oh, if I saw that my kids were there, I wouldn't even think. Right, right. But I would feel, I still would feel afterwards. I'd be like, wow, that was traumatizing. I just fucking murdered someone in my house. Oh my God. Yeah, there was a story of like some guy that had like broken in, like, this wasn't even in close to my neighborhood or anything, but it was like close enough where I paid attention. You know, Santa Cruz County, some guy like broke in, like grabbed some toddler and was just like mentally disturbed and like grabbed it and then came put back the toddler and then they caught him later. But like just that story alone, like, because I have my kids sleep downstairs, you know, and I'm just like thinking about it. And like, so like a couple of times I heard something rustle outside. Like this is after this happened. Jumped out of bed, grabbed my club, went out like, rawr, you know, like ready to throw down. Bro, you'd have to beat someone to death with the club. That's requires some- I wonder what- I would go right to the face. What age is for you guys as parents, if ever, that you relax about that or calm down? Like what age do your boys or your girls need to get before you guys are okay with it? They're just downstairs, right? Dude, I don't know, man. I coulda get it right now. And where you live out kind of in the forest and it's like, you know, so- Probably when your boys are big enough to like protect you. You know what I'm saying? Like when you're old and they're bigger. They're like stronger than me. Yeah, and you're like, there's a noise. You call your son, hey. Go check this out. I heard a noise. Hey, my hip hurts, you know? Can you handle this one? Yeah, for my daughter, probably never, right? I'll always be like overprotective with that. Anyway. Yeah, for sure. Kymera coffee. Kymera coffee. Today's quas being brought to you by Kymera coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural nutropics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Kymera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code, MindPump, a checkout for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quas. The eagle has landed. Quikwa. Our first question is from Alejandro Sanchez, takes photos. You guys have talked about post-workout eating before, but are there any benefits for fasting or waiting to eat for a couple hours after working out? Absolutely. So for a long time now, we've been sold the idea that one of the most important things you could possibly do for building muscle or burning body fat. That protein window. Yeah, is to eat right after you work out. Who was it that we were interviewing or we were talking to that first that this blew my mind when they brought this up? Was it Ruseo? Ruseo talked about it in the context of... When was it? We were all together when the first time that... That's what it was with gut health. It was, was it, right? For gut health. But before that, all of us had talked about on the show that the science actually doesn't show that it's that big of a deal at all. Yeah, we already were talking shit about meal timing a long time ago, but that was like the big one. That's why I heard that. Yeah, absolutely. So the reason why they push it so hard, you have to understand this, the reason why it's pushed so hard is such an important thing is because they know that right after your workout, so here's the case, this is the case they make. After your workout, you're in this anabolic window that lasts about 30 minutes to an hour. If you eat something right afterwards, your body's gonna utilize it for repair and rebuilding and you're gonna build more muscle as a result. So that's step one. Step two, the faster you can get amino acids into your bloodstream, the better because now it feeds into the first part, which is you need to eat right afterwards, right? So that all feeds into, oh, what's the fastest form of protein I can consume and what is the most convenient form of protein I can consume, protein powder. And the reason why they push this so hard is because they knew that if they push this narrative and they attach it to something that you're gonna do, like working out, that you are gonna take more protein powder. And they were right. Product. And they were right. This narrative right here sells more protein powder than anything I can think of by far. Is that I need something right after my workout so I need convenience. I don't wanna, I just finished working out so it's gotta be easy. And I want it to be fast digesting because I need to get the amino acids in my bloodstream. So they've sold a shit ton of protein powder as a result of this. Now here's the real science. The science shows that if you plan on working out again later in the day, you're definitely gonna wanna have a meal in between to replenish glycogen and improve performance. If you don't plan on working out until tomorrow, whatever, as long as you eat sometime between those two meals, you're gonna be okay, so. And I would argue there's more benefits to pushing out and not eating if you're somebody who's trying to lean out. Especially for fat loss. Right, if you're a fat loss or even trying to lean out, even if your main goal just isn't to build. Like if you're on a hard gain, that's I gotta gain, I'm a skinny kid, all I care about is gaining. Okay, I might not push the fast or tell you to do that, but anybody who could reduce body fat, I would say there's as much benefits for you stretching out the fasted state after the workout than you trying to shuttle food down your mouth within 30 minutes of the workout. Absolutely, and then in the context of gut issues, if you have an inflamed gut, which a lot of us have, and consider this, like exercise itself creates inflammation, okay? It's a stress on the body, it's why your body adapts. It's trying to become more resilient so that next time the same stress or the same insult doesn't cause the same problems. So exercise itself, if you were to work out real hard and then we were to test your blood and test all your metrics, we would find elevated inflammatory markers, elevated cytokines, elevated C-reactive protein, because it's causing damage on the body and your body adapts, gets stronger, that's what makes you healthy. But in that state of inflammation, may not be the best time to eat right away, especially if you've already got gut issues because the inflammation that you're experiencing post-workout is local to the muscles you train, but it's also systemic. Your whole body experiences some inflammation. And when your gut is inflamed and if it's already in kind of bad shape, eating food in that state is a, you're asking for trouble because now you have an inflamed gut, you already kind of have gut issues, now you're inflamed from your workout. It's perpetuating the problem. Yeah, now I'm eating all this food, and by the way. And then when you have a food that is a religious food that you eat every single time after you work out, you're more likely to have a response. It's creating intolerance to it. And not only that, but exercise is sympathetic. It's not parasympathetic. So now let's take it a step further. Before your workout, you have some kind of a stimulant, caffeine, coffee, or a pre-workout. So now I'm really chemically putting my body in this fight or flight sympathetic state, which is beneficial for your workout, right, it's gonna give you a better workout. Not beneficial for digestion though. Digestion is literally parasympathetic, it's the opposite. It's the rest and digest. So now I'm sympathetic from all the stimulants, and I just worked out, which is sympathetic, because it's hyping my body up, and I'm inflamed, and I throw food down my gullet. Not necessarily the best idea. I love saying gullet. Yeah, not exactly the best idea if you have, you know, gut issues and stuff. So what do you do? Well, I think the best thing to do would be to wait about an hour post-workout. But if you're one of these, I love having my shake post-workout, or I love eating post-workout, and I do workout later, or I do like the quick recovery from it, and everything else is maximized. My diet's perfect, my sleep is perfect, my workout's perfect. So I'm trying to maximize every little detail, and you wanna have something post-workout. What I recommend is, if you do eat, make sure you eat something that is not inflammatory, or eat something that's anti-inflammatory. One of the most anti-inflammatory foods you can consume, and that's also great for your gut. In fact, it's recommended quite commonly for people with irritable bowel syndrome, or Crohn's disease, or in like really, really bad digestive issues. Turmeric. Turmeric. Turmeric is a great one. So what I would recommend is either, you can either buy raw turmeric, which is gross, or you could have food that's seasoned with the shit ton to turmeric, which takes time or whatever. Or what you could do, and it's very inexpensive, is you could buy high quality turmeric powder in a supplement form, which Organifi sells a very high quality turmeric. It's organic, it's tested to be pure. You can take their pure turmeric capsules with your protein shake post-workout, or with your food post-workout, to reduce the inflammation, to reduce the chances of developing gut issues, and probably enhance recovery because you're reducing some of the inflammation. You're gonna heal a little bit faster, especially if you're working out pretty hard and pushing the limit. Or you could do the other thing, which is take the gold, the Organifi gold juice, which is a lot of turmeric, lemon balm, and some other anti-inflammatory things, which will also help induce parasympathetic recovery. So that's kind of hacking it, right? So what do you think about doing that? Would you still recommend waiting longer than 30 minutes? I think waiting about an hour post-workout is probably better for more people than not. But if you're one of these people you like eating post-workout, because I'm one of those people sometimes, like after a hard workout, I don't know what it, maybe I'm conditioned, like one of my favorite things to do after a hard workout is have a big meal. It just feels like, oh, you know. Well, I conditioned myself because I needed to get enough meals and to get enough calories in. So when I was, especially when I was younger, not so much now, it's different now, especially if I'm not moving around like I am, I'm not right now. But when I'm on the gain and I'm trying to build muscle and I'm moving around, especially when I was training clients, getting 5,000 calories in on a regular basis that's not easy, especially when you're trying to make whole food choices. Yeah, try skipping meals and doing that. Yeah, right, exactly. That's like 3, you know, 1,700 calorie meals is something ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. And who's gonna eat 3,700 calories? That's whole foods, that's crazy. So I'm trying to shoot for these 800 to 1,000 calorie type meals and I'm still consuming four or five meals minimum that way. For me, it used to be like, as soon as I work out, I was naturally hungry and so I wanna eat as soon as I can eat because I wanna turn around and eat again in two hours because I'm still trying to get meal number four and five at the end of the day. And that's where I think that's the only people that I understand why you would get where you're trying to push this five and six meal thing. Like I don't get having six, you know, 200 something calorie meals. Like that's just ideal. That's crazy to me. From what I've studied or from what I've read in the literature, I would say the ideal post-workout meal would consist of obviously some proteins, some carbohydrates to replenish glycogen and have amino acid. So like white rice, because white rice is easy to digest or buckwheat, something gluten-free. I would do a form of protein. You can do a protein powder, but if you do do a protein powder, go for organic, minimally processed type powder. Organify again makes a really good protein powder. I have the most sensitive gut and it's one of the few protein powders I can consume and not have any issues. And here's the other thing. Cholesterol post-workout, excellent for recovery. Your blood cholesterol drops considerably post-workout because your body's using up that cholesterol for rebuilding for repairing, because that's what cholesterol is. It's like this molecule we use to build and repair things and create hormones. Theoretically consuming a high cholesterol meal post-workout, probably a good idea. So like some egg yolks, some chicken, some rice, and then throwing some anti-inflammatory foods, either like fish oil and maybe turmeric or the gold juice. If you're really dialing everything in, would probably be a good idea. I bet you that sounds so incredibly shocking to people still. I know. That's like this, what you just said there is like a complete contradiction from everything they've known. Dude, it's a scientific fact. Test your cholesterol, go work out real hard, test it right afterwards. You will have a significant drop in your number. In fact, if you wanna cheat on your cholesterol test, let's say you're gonna go get life insurance and they're gonna test you for your blood because they wanna see what your cholesterol levels are and they'll judge your, because that's what they do. They take your blood, they do all these tests and then based off that, they'll give you your rate. Right before your test, go do a hard ass workout. Have them test and they'll be like, oh, triglycerides look good, cholesterol looks good. Like people don't realize that that number changes. Yeah, it totally varies depending on. But yeah, post-workout cholesterol, man, that was a game changer for me. When I push my body to the limit, have some egg yolks or some chicken liver or something like that. You just, you feel it. I feel that. Yeah, Vince Garanda, old school bodybuilders to promote that back in the day. Next question is from Mann Unkind 13. We often hear to mix up our exercise routines because our bodies adapt very quickly as in weeks. With that same logic, why haven't our bodies adapted to highly processed foods in the last 100 years? That's never made sense to me. The human body is very quick to adapt but please keep eating the foods that we ate thousands of years ago if you wanna be healthy and free of disease. Well, you're talking about two different systems. Totally. Yeah, you're talking about two different things when you're talking about your body adapting to this physical stress that you're putting on it that's pretty consistently the same as far as what you're doing to chemicals and things that we've created. And I know Lane likes to fuck it. Everything's a chemical. Well, processed, fake foods that didn't. Just things we've never been introduced to. Yeah, our bodies have never been introduced for hundreds, thousands of years. It's totally different. Totally different. We've only been consuming highly processed foods in large quantities for the last 40 to 50 years max. Right, maybe we will be adapted in 2,000 more years and we're going through some shitty-ass growing pains right now. First off, it takes thousands of years for these kind of, like for example, the, our ability to adapt to resistance training is what is itself an evolution that took thousands of years. Like humans adapted thousands of years to be able to have the ability to adapt to resistance training to build or resistance in general to build muscles. So that in and of itself, you're not understanding how long it took the body, humans to adapt, to have that evolutionary process that now we can adapt to resistance. Now our ability to adapt to highly processed foods, fuck, this shit's, it's a blink of the eye. There's only been like maybe two or three generations that have had to deal with this. And so give it some time and we're slowing down the evolution process. You know why? Because we keep- Because we keep everybody alive. Long enough to make kids. Right. Well, that's the thing. It's like the evolutionary process. If we're able to then adapt and go forward, usually the lineage or the genes, like don't keep passing on, but we keep passing on the ones that aren't successful. That's right. That's right. So if it's like, you know, if we weren't like keeping us alive for long enough to reproduce, then you might see it happen a little bit faster. But I think, I think there's- So let the week die. I think there's evolution. What are you saying? There's adapting that happens within your own body when you eat certain foods that are micro-adaptions, but that's different than evolution. Evolution takes a long time. Like if we keep eating this way and we don't figure out how to fix this, at some point I'm sure you're gonna probably have people that are more resilient to like diabetes, more resilient to obesity-related illness and stuff like that because- The other ones are dying off. Yeah. You won't be breeding with them. If we keep going this direction, you're right. We could just keep going this way and we probably will still evolve. The weak ones will die off. The ones that are resilient enough will breed with the other ones that are resilient enough and will breed it out of us potentially. But I certainly, if I have, if I'm already battling some of this shit, like I'm not gonna just wave the wave flag. Don't I die, man? I'm fighting this shit. Well, I take care of myself. If that means I gotta make choices like eating whole foods more than processed shit all the time, like, okay, I'm willing to make, that's back to the earlier topic today, which is this, you know, I'm having, I'm bargaining with my future self, you know, and for me, it's as much as that instant pleasure of throwing candy in my mouth is, if it's, you know, if I can sacrifice that to have a healthier, better version of myself in the future, like I'm making that choice, right? At least I'm gonna try and make that choice 90% of the time. I used to have this book when I was a kid. It was so cool, right? And it was this artist rendition of what aliens would look like on the planets in our solar system, based on the environments of the planets, right? Like, you know, this planet is covered in ice, so then there'll probably be animals with like natural ice skates and all these different things. And then in the book, it showed what this artist thought humans would evolve to based on, like, if we allowed natural evolution to happen, how would humans look a thousand years from now with technology and stuff? And it was this really obese, like blob with this like intelligence that allows us to process lots of information. So big head. Big head really overweight on a hover craft, so our legs shriveled because we don't need legs anymore. We're floating around everyone. We have these kind of weak looking arms, but with these really long fingers because we're always pushing buttons, like with technology, it was fucking grotesque. And I was like, kid, it freaked me out. I was like 10 years old. I looked at like, oh my God, we're gonna look like that. Now it takes a long time to evolve. I don't think, and you know what? Processed foods change so fast. Anyway, like they keep inventing new shit to make it taste different and whatever. At some point. They keep, what they keep doing is, it's like the old supplement hustles. They keep inventing shit till we find out, oh shit, that's not good for you. Oh, it's has long term effects, oops. Let's try another compound that's just a little bit different, but it's kind of the same thing. You know what I'm saying? It's a different name and it hasn't been banned and a bunch of, hasn't got a bad, bunch of bad pub from it yet. That's the hustle. Dude, when's the last time, have you guys ever tasted those like vegan meat products recently, have you ever tasted them? No man, how would I? So I, I had a horrible idea. I haven't done it recently, but about a few years ago, one of the people that worked in my gym bought this like vegan burger patty. Okay? And I- It totally tastes like a burger. Well, here's a weird thing. I can tell the difference, but boy, did they fucking engineer that thing. I'm eating this, I'm like, this is made out of plants. This tastes just like a burger. Meat-ish, like that's some serious, I can't imagine like in 50 years, what they're going to be able to create in the lab. You know what I mean? Like they're going to be able to make something. This is like, no, trust me, no dairy, no gluten, whatever. Tastes just like pizza. You know, a pack full of nutrients and it's got all the macronutrients you need and you're going to bite into it. We're already hacking in there with like the cauliflower pizza and stuff like that. I mean, that shit, that stuff is, I prefer that now. I actually prefer that, that, settle, assits to me way better, dude. Well, look at the- That's just the recipe though. Dude, what about bars? Like how crazy have they gotten? Do you guys remember how bars used to taste when we were kids? Oh, I know, chocolate. Remember Power Bar when that first came out? It was fucking garbage. Oh, shit, I've eaten that before. I remember basketball games myself because of the calories, you know? Yeah. Forceing myself to eat those bars. When I was a kid- Fucking cardboard. If I bought a protein powder or a weight gainers, I buy weight gainers all the time, the only flavor that you could ever get was chocolate because it was the only one that was tolerable. If you got any other flavor, like if they got like a creative and they're like pumpkin spice or some shit, tasted like dog shit. Strawberry shortcake tasted like dog shit. Chocolate was the only one that tasted kind of like chocolate. Well, nowadays, fuck me, you'll get a Quest Bar that tastes like- I know. You know what I mean? Cappel pie. It tastes like- What'd they do? Yeah, we'll see about that. We'll see about how you can trying to evolve the body to keep up with that. I doubt it. I think- Well, how crazy was that talking to Lisa Billu just yesterday and being a part co-founder of Quest and not even be able to eat Quest Bars? Yeah, dude. Like that fucking sucks. The irony there, right? Bro, I'm telling you. I think, I don't know, man. Obviously, I think Process Foods are playing a big role in all these guys. It's so common now. It's so crazy to me. Yeah. Well, it's so crazy to me because it's like nothing else that I can at least compare to every other industry. It's like, as we get smarter, things tend to evolve. Like, I mean, we are getting sicker. It's all the numbers, all the stats, everything pointing that way, but yet we're supposed to be getting smarter, more knowledgeable about our body. How the fuck is it? That to me is like, it's obvious there's something wrong with the message, like big time wrong with the message if that's where we're heading and we know so much more supposedly. Well, we haven't, I mean, the chronic issues, I think, that we're just starting to address, as opposed to like, yeah, we can fix people acutely like pretty damn well. We've traded the two. We've traded acute illness for chronic illness. I think the evolution in the future is not natural evolution. I don't think humans are gonna naturally evolve. I think the evolution is gonna be technological where you're gonna start having nanobots and shit in your body. See, that's where my mind goes. Yeah, even then with, you mentioned like the artist, like rendering and obesity, like that wouldn't serve us. So then, you know, like there's gonna be some kind of like, like nanobot or something that's gonna adjust your metabolism and all that shit. Imagine it being all the upload. It's gonna be so easy for us. Upload right in front of you and tell you like what systems are doing bad on your body, like, you know, cardiovascular system is starting to decrease. It's running at 60% optimization. Like, it goes each one of your systems. Everything's gonna be automatically regulated for you and you're not even gonna think which we're gonna just turn into like slaves to this technology. Dude, think about these nanobots. You could like have a, you know, you could eat something and then throw in some nanobots that are gonna make the, you know, the sugar, you know, affect your pink, pinkery stuff. Or fuck it, they'll shuttle it like when you need it specifically. It'll hold on to it otherwise. Oh, it's gonna be, whatever. That's what I think it's gonna be. That's how the evolution's gonna come from. And then maybe who knows? Maybe we're fucking, yeah, like, we're inherently lazy. Maybe we'll reach a, maybe we'll go out of business, you know what I mean? Maybe the future's like, work out, no more fitness. Well, yeah, seriously, it'll be dinosaur. Maybe you will be able to consume some of this bad, this shit that's inside of it. And the nanobots will be able to go in and defend this, the bad stuff. You know what'll happen. And then you can still consume whatever the fuck you want. You know what'll happen. Why wouldn't it be crazy? You know what'll happen? When people can be fit and healthy without discipline, without sacrifice, they're gonna find very quickly that that is not the key to happiness. They're gonna find real fast. It'll be just like getting, you know, millions and millions of dollars, you know, like overnight. Yeah, you know. That's why I wrote it. The future is, you know, fuck it up, is the division right down the middle. It's the plugged and unplugged in community. That's like a good sci-fi book. I feel like you should write that. If I could write. This is already part of my sci-fi book, bro. Yeah, I always said already. Yeah, I might have read it. Wait, wait till it comes out. You'll be waiting a long time. And by then it'll all have happened already. Oh man, that's exactly what I was gonna write about. You know it'll be nonfiction. You know, my pump is struggling when we pre-sell Justin's book. Oh my God. I can't wait for that day, dude. What would you call it? Justin's finally coming out with his sci-fi. What's the title of it? The series. Am I gonna throw that out there? Somebody's gonna steal it. Oh, I forgot. I'll say it. All right. I'll say it, the Spectrum. The Spectrum? Yeah. Oh, cool. That's actually a cool name. It is. He's like, I have it really well thought out. I'm running it down right now. Don't use that. I don't know. Mind pump audience. Yeah. Next up is Steph Burns. What would you say is the correlation ratio between all of your fitness success and business success? Has this ratio changed over time? Oh wow. Huge correlation. Cool. Huge correlation. The discipline, the structure, the, you know, I put hard work in and then I see results afterwards. The learning how to deal with myself that comes, that came from fitness. 100% translates to business success. In fact, I don't know about you guys, but every time I've trained an entrepreneur who wasn't working out before, after they start getting into working out, every single one of them comments that they're better at work because they started working out. Productivity goes way up. This is an interesting question though because I have some people that I know a lot of people actually that have a lot of fitness success, but they don't have a lot of business sense. So for us, I think that ratio is very high and it translates, which is also what connects all of us and why we are good friends and like each other outside of just the business aspect is we respect everyone's business and fitness mind equally. And I think that that isn't as common for everybody. I don't think that's, I think there's a, it's talking to spectrum. I think there's a wide spectrum of people that fall in all pieces here because I knew some guys and girls that, I mean, they could dial their bodies in because they understood, they understood what they needed to do so well. But then they're just no idea about business. And you see it, it's actually pretty, I think it's because they're myopic. Like that's all they like focus on is like really improving their body and they don't like expand off of that. I think I've seen that with some athletes and some people that are like trying to get up on stage. It's like, they're just consumed with the thought that like, you know, their body has to be this certain way. And then, you know, like the actual business end of it, like it kind of takes a back. Well, the answers are there in that, right? That's the formula for success, right? If you, even, even those people that aren't aware of it, they actually have the answers. It's just that you gotta learn to take, take what they applied to get there to business also. So what did it take? Sacrifice, consistency, hard work, trial and error. You know what I'm saying? Failing a lot. I don't think too many eggs in that direction. I don't think it's a guarantee that you're gonna be like, I don't think if you're like great at fitness it's guaranteed to make you good at other things. But I think the skills required to be good at fitness in a real sense. Not like obsessive, like, you know, bad eating disorder type. What do we mean by like skill? Well, the mentality of it translates very well. That's what I mean. The skill of like consistency, sacrifice, like hard work, you know, scheduling, like prioritizing, because it all requires all those things, right? Yeah. Like to be fit, you gotta be consistent which requires prioritizing things that are important. And you know, sacrificing, okay, I'm not gonna go drink tonight because tomorrow morning I don't work out. Like all these different things. And I think those skills are, there's two things. I think A, you develop them through fitness and B, people who are good at fitness might already have a propensity to be drawn towards those things. So while you were talking at them, I did a quick search on Google. Here's five surprising statistics about entrepreneurs. Trip off this. Entrepreneurs, when they do these polls about 58% of them say they exercise at least 30 minutes a day, three times a week. Now that's not every one of them, but that's way fucking higher than the average person. No, it's higher than the average person who works. By far, by far, right? Here's another one. They also, 63% of entrepreneurs eat five or more servings of produce every four days. In other words, they eat more than a single, more than a serving of vegetables a day which is way more than the average person. They're less likely to be obese. So they're 4% less likely to be obese than managers and executives. And 5% less likely to be obese than office workers. So that's significant. And they, 17% of, but they, oh, here's the other one though, that they smoke more. Entrepreneurs tend to smoke more than the average person. So I think that's more of a result of like... Stress. Yeah, being like, I gotta be on the go type of thing. But ultimately, I think the things that make you good at fitness, you can translate a little bit right to what makes you good at business. And I think if you're an entrepreneur and you're not working out. Well, what do you think the ratio is for, he's asking us personally, right? What would you say the correlation between, oh, yeah, which is that? How was it helped us personally, I guess, right? How has this ratio changed over time? You know, I entered fitness with more of a passion for sales and business. So I was already into that, even though I was heading down the kinesis direction, when I fell into fitness, the part of the whole thing that I really was fascinated by was entrepreneurship, the company selling. I just, the art of communication, these things, I was more intrigued by that than I actually was of the science of fitness. Now, that's not to say that I wasn't loving that too, because I was learning a lot about myself as I was going through learning as a trainer in my early years. So I definitely think that my ratio has changed. I like to think I'm more of a 50-50 split now where I was probably more like a 90-10 when I first came in, and maybe even the first few 10 years or so. I've been a serial entrepreneur. I've always been into selling. I've always been into business. I like reading and watching documentaries and stuff like that. I love reading autobiographies on big entrepreneurs. Like, this is the stuff that I really dig. I wasn't, like, Sal reads more studies, and this is where we're definitely different. Like, I think that if you were to skin us back, I think our ratios, and this is why we work so well, is where one of us may be really, really more dominant in an area like this. That's maybe where our passion is or a little less on the other. I think now, though, we're all maybe kind of a nice closer mix of a half. I feel like it took me a bit to discover that I was an entrepreneur. So, you know, going through the, like, I know, too, like you said, fitness, but for me, fitness to me meant more like sports related. So like being on teams and, you know, communicating with other people and becoming a leader within my role on the team. And, like, going through that sort of a journey, my ratio was very much more heavily focused on maybe the fitness side. And then I grew into the entrepreneurship, which now is definitely predominating, you know, like it's probably even more so than the fitness, just because that was like my foundational baseline. Like, I built everything on top of that. And so now it's like, I just get so passionate now about where business, like what I'm doing business-wise, where it's taking me because now I consider more than myself. I consider my family, I consider, you know, how to provide, you know, all that kind of stuff is very much more of a high priority than previous. It's all, for me, it's all about what fulfills me. So if I was, let's say I was stuck in a job that, you know, let's say I was in a situation where I needed to make money and I had to take a job that wasn't like a passion of mine, right, but I had to make money and whatever, I'd probably be more fitness than business because my fitness would be my outlet, that's what would fulfill me. But because of what we do is so fulfilling and because it's all integrated, it's hard to separate the two. Like my personal fitness now, like I don't really chase aesthetics, I don't chase personal PRs really that much. It's fun when they happen, but it's not like I'm like, I'm not sitting here like, okay, this is like my number one goal. I used to be like that when I was much younger, but now it's just, it's all kind of the same. Like it just fulfills me. Like I love working out cause it feels good. I love the fun of it. I like the way it makes me feel. And then I love the way it helps me perform. Same thing with diet. Like when my diet is good, I'm not eating, my motivations for eating right now are I care about myself, so I like taking care of myself. And then my other motivations are when I eat, like really well, I am way more effective on the podcast and way more effective on the YouTube channel, way more effective when we interview people. Performance goes way up. Oh my, like I noticed a fucking night and day, like you check it out. My diet is so good before we go on trips and we're going to interview people because I know when I'm going to sit down in front of whos, you know, whatever, like we just didn't interview with Lane Norton. That was amazing fire and I was sharp because I watched what I ate. I wanted to be like, I wanted to maximize my performance. And I know my mind is sharp when I get the best ideas and I think the best when I do well with my diet nutrition. So it's a little bit different now, but you know, business fulfills me in the sense that I, maybe not so driven by money. I like the money for sure. I just like feeling like I'm doing something impactful. It sounds kind of cliche, but- What's your ratio though? Like if you were to look at like where you were when you first started, you know, I mean, I think that, I'm like 50, 50. And the way I look at it, this is the way I'm like measuring it is like the amount of knowledge and where I'm consuming it. So like- Like what you're learning? Yeah, like so I'll say this, like so the last two books I read, and I don't even plan this. This is just kind of naturally where my mind is at right now. The last book I'm reading currently right now is Neuroscience and Psychology. So there's kind of the fitness side of me that like is consuming that type of knowledge. But the book right before that was Rework, which is all business, right? And if you look back at all the books that I've read in the last year and a half, it's kind of a natural kind of split of, this is what I'm consuming. I'm consuming a ton. Besides my experience, sure, I've got years of experience in fitness. Sure, I've got years of experience in business. Because both are equally relevant. Right, but when I think of where I'm at right now personally and how that's evolved and changed, when I first started, I was heavy business, didn't know very much as much about fitness. I become more knowledgeable at fitness and I've slowly took that from a 90-10 ratio to kind of this 50-50 ratio and I'm kind of maintaining that as what I would say. It's hard to say because it's not even necessarily fitness that interests me to read about. It's just I'm interested in whatever I'm interested in. Now, do I read business books? I read a lot of economics books. I don't know, it's not specifically business. It's more, it's kind of general. I don't know how much it communicates with business. It does in a sense, but it's not specifically business. It does a lot. That's the reason why you still have a very intelligent business mind. Because it does translate a lot in there. There's obviously some benefits too to being more just on that. I tell you what, it's one of the reasons why I love working with you guys is our interests are different, but complementary. Right, right. That's exactly why I think it's really cool is that it probably wouldn't be as successful if everybody was kind of the same ratio. And I think that the answer to bring it all back to the question is that, I guess it's gonna be different for every single person, like how they find success. Absolutely. Next question is from Jay Cisneros. If you guys get big enough, then what? How do you maintain your authenticity? Well, what does that mean? That's so staying real, being real, being true to ourselves. Like what's big enough, Oprah? Yeah, I know what's big enough. I don't know. I think Katrina and I just had this conversation at dinner the other night and she asked me that. She goes, something similar to what I think he's asking, which is, you know, when you guys are doing like really big things and there's like tons of people and like everything you're experiencing is a hundred times more, like, do you think you're gonna totally change? And I'm like, well, I'm sure I'm gonna change. Like I've been changing every... You probably have to just... Right. Along the way. I'm definitely different than when we first started. Right, right. So I said, I'm sure I'm going to change, but one of the things I appreciate, and this is, again, appreciating the journey, is the way we have grown is different than I think a lot of people grow on social media. I think a lot of people create something that gets shared, that's viral, and then they're attached to that, where we've had to kind of build this thing like a legitimate business. It's taken us a very long time to get to where we're at with the staffing that we have and revenue that everyone's generating. So I think we've experienced a little bit more of the success, a little bit more of the success, a little bit, it's been this nice gradual progression for us and I think each time, and we've all done this, right? We've all, you know, Sal and I after the LA Fed Expo, you know, sat in the room together and we were just like, damn dude, that was crazy. I wasn't expecting that. Like we didn't tell anybody, we said it like one time in the show we'd be there and you know, there's people that waited in line to talk to us for an hour, dude. Like that was the first time that I had really, any of us had really experienced that level of it. Before that, it was, you know, other things that we noticed. And so I think that because we have slowly felt that over time, I think we're gonna remain who we are. I don't think we're, as far as our authenticity, right? As far as our message and what we believe in and our connection to our people. And I don't think it would ever waver our integrity. And I think a lot of that, because I don't know what it would be like if I was 25 years old and all of a sudden we're making this company's worth millions of dollars and we're making all this money and all these people and we had this taste of fame. What would that feel like? I think that would be much, and that's why too I'm compassionate when I meet somebody like a Bradley Martin who's only 27 years old and he's got all this attention around him and he's got tons of people that love him and then he's got a lot of people that hate on him. And it's like this poor young guy, dude, is like probably never experienced anything like this, you know, back up five years before that. He was just a normal, normal- It's not like you can just turn that off. Yeah dude, could you imagine being that young and then getting that much attention right out the gate? I feel like we're ready for that. Like I think all of us, let's put it this way, none of us want that to the point where we always want to put people in front of us. Like it's not about us and it's never been about feeding an ego and that's why it's always worked. I don't think that'll ever change. And so I think that's where we're... I think part of that too is, you know, here's the thing, like this is a subject that's been a passion of mine for a long time because I'm very interested in why people behave the way they do when they get lots of powers. I've done lots of personal study on politicians and leaders and like why did, you know, celebrities and people who, when they reach a certain level, like why do they behave the way that they behave? It's insane, like what makes them think that? And then you go even deeper, look at celebrities, look at bands that produce like incredible music or partners that produce incredible movies and then all of a sudden, like they fucking break up or they hate each other and you look at it and you're like, what are you guys doing? You guys are making great music. Why would you do that? Like you guys are so successful. Why would you sabotage it? And it's the ego. Your ego kicks in. You all of a sudden think, and I'm gonna tell you something right now, as awesome as we think we are, we are not immune. In fact, it's probably better that we assume that that is a reality and that we choose not to go in that direction versus thinking I'm not capable of that because I've never been in a situation like that. I've never been in a situation where all these people think everything I say is fucking awesome. I'll tell you what, I've been talking about, I've been debating politics forever on Facebook. It's just a passion of mine, right? All of a sudden I'll do a, now I'll do a post or something on my Instagram and I'm getting people commenting or DMing me who are like, wow, you really changed my political views, Sal, that's awesome. I'm like, what? Like that's never happened before. Nobody ever changes the, and it's because of the perceived authority because I have a podcast and whatever. And that can quickly go to your head now where you think you're the fucking man and whatever. And so, the checks and- Not only can it, it happens a lot. Happens a lot. It happens a lot, more often than not. Again, it's going back to what I said about, I think that's where we've been lucky to have just bits of it along the way. I mean, it would be really overwhelming to all of a sudden go for where no one's listening to you to where tens of thousands of people are doing whatever you tell them to do. Well, I think that could really fuck with somebody's head. I think too, it all depends on what you become famous for, you know? Like what you've established, what the mission that drove you to success versus like, you know, what's keeping you there. And so that's why I don't see any problem with it. Like I used to have a real big problem with being noticed, you know? Or like the idea of having some sort of a platform and fame and like attention where I'm like, dude, I just want to be in the background. I want to be the guy that like, you know, put somebody out there, you know, I'll make a good living for myself and whatever. And I'm totally cool with that. Whereas like, it's changed. It's already changed because I'm, you know, I'm totally okay with it because like the driving message of the root of what we're trying to accomplish is something that people, you know, will benefit their lives and their lifestyle. And you know, I mean, it's pretty bold to say it's going to change, you know, somewhat of like the way that people perceive fitness and all that, but that's like our goal is to really like shake that up. And it's been happening, which is crazy. There's a couple of things that make me feel like good about this. Cause this always worries me. Like, okay, I'm working with these dudes. What if shit goes fucking? We crush and it just explodes and we're massive. Like, how's that going to affect everybody's personalities and egos and all that? And there's a couple of things that give me a little bit of comfort. One is every single person on this podcast and even Doug behind the podcast, all of us are super reluctant to, with when it comes to fame, none of us like it, which I find fascinating. Like when people recognize us and come talk to us, like we help them or whatever, but there's a little bit of like, fuck, like my anonymous, you know, I'm not anonymous anymore, you know? Like I don't necessarily, if I have my kids, I definitely don't like to be, you know, recognized. I don't like to, so that kind of makes me feel good. Like none of us are seeking it. I don't think any of us are doing this for fame at all. In fact, we've talked so much about how in the future we could become less of the front and more of the back or whatever because of that. So that makes me feel good. And the other thing that makes me feel good is we all check each other pretty well. Like I know for a fact, if my head gets too big, I can rely like clockwork that I'm gonna get checked by somebody on my team. 100%, it's gonna happen. Someone's gonna check me and I guarantee you, I'm gonna check one of you guys if that shit happens. And so that is gonna be like, the only thing that would ever worry me is if all of our heads get so fucking big that we all just blow each other up. We all bind to the same bolts, just a big circle jerk. Oh yeah. We're so cool. Yachts, that's a good idea. But then the third thing is that there's a higher, we always remind ourselves of the higher purpose of what we're doing. Like, okay, this is what we're really trying to do. Let's just remember this, let's just remember this. And if we keep aiming towards a higher purpose, it'll maintain our integrity. Cause if we change that and it becomes about other things, you can start to lose your focus and you start to chase the shiny object or whatever, and then you change who you are. And I just feel like authenticity is inversely related to integrity. And that's something that's been like a, we would lose everything if we lose our integrity. That's what, I mean, that was what, how will we build this whole thing on? Like if, and it's easier, it's actually easier now than it was before, I believe. I believe when we were climbing up the mountain right now and trying to be a top podcast in the health and fitness space, you know, and then we started getting these supplement companies that want to talk to us. Man, we entertained a lot of that stuff. We entertained it in our heads like, fuck. And we always stuck back to our original message is this, we can't do that. This is what we share and we talk about. But then we also like, well, listen, we're gonna be able to share and talk to anybody if we can't keep the fucking lights on. So this discussion has to be had, like how could we do this or would this be a possibility? And we did a lot of that for the first year or two. And, you know, we're in a position now where, you know, we know that we could sustain the business as is and we don't necessarily have to grow. Now all of us want to grow, but we could sustain it the way it is right now and not have to add any other pieces to it. And I think all of us agree, we'd rather keep our integrity, keep our authenticity and stay the same size we are now and continue to provide better service, better stuff for the core group that we have that are attached to us, then grow to this massive size and lose our authenticity, right? So I think we are all in agreement. That's right, man. It's that quote, you know, what is it, man cannot live on bread alone? Love that quote. Such a, so much wisdom in that. Like, you know, what is- Teamfire proof. What is, no, man, I'm not, stop it. Yeah, I love it. I'm not trying to pre, I'm not pre- Where did you get your shirt? I'm not preaching- Real soon you're the Bible person. Yeah, he doesn't even know it. You know what I'm saying? He starts throwing out shit. I'm like, yeah, bro, that's Kings 317. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Did you not know that? It's just a wise, it's a wise quote. I don't care if- I'm not, I'm not a religious person. For the rages of sin is death, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a good one. You know, what worth is money and all success and all that shit if your soul is corrupted, if you're not authentic, if you're fake, that is actually the definition of hell. And if you don't believe me, look at all those celebrities with all the money and all that fame who die of drug overdoses, who have three marriages and divorces, and who, you know, kill themselves because they're too depressed. Like, there you go. There's your evidence right there. So I'm not looking for money and fame unless that's the side effect of me being authentic. How's that sound? There you go. There we go. Thank you very much. Check it out. Go to the app store, download the Mind Pump app. You can actually search topics with all of our episodes, pull them up, and they'll show you which episodes have those topics that you search. It's a cool app. It's free, it costs nothing at all. So just go to the app store, download the Mind Pump media app. That's right. Hashtag save, Sal. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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