 Hello everyone and welcome back to For The Minions, the weekly show where we talk about some of the spiritual successors to Paragon we're going to change things up this time. Well, I thought we're going to change things up We're going to move the news and updates around to the most significant news and updates instead of alphabetical order But it ends up they went pretty much the exact same order But anyway, I'm your host the one and only mangoes joining me as always is Mandy Mal. Hey, you know Mandy I'm doing pretty good. And we have another Returning special guest with us jackal. How are you doing? I'm doing pretty darn tootin. How are you? Don't do not like it So jackal a little bit of history about yourself for the people that don't know and we all know that your your favorite hero was Gideon but Well, I just started all the way back in legacy days that played quite a few games Gideon But Gideon wasn't my main back then I used to play a lot of Murdoch. I have a couple videos on my channel So I have a Murdoch video from way back in legacy. Oh, yeah pretty cringe But you know, I like to go back and watch the legacy days I'll tell you what you're never as good as you think you were Go back and look some of my clips like oh, this clip is so awesome And then I'll look at it. I'm like that wasn't that was just me killing a person Even good Yeah, even like edited some like arrow in to show like a perfectly placed mind that he threw down. He's good time Good old Murdoch Let's let's move on into the news and updates and like I said, it's going to go in the same order as it used to Starting off with made a buff if you saw the the video I put out this week I was talking about how they lost some of their programmers speaking to them They said that they have already replaced those programmers. So that's good. And what's even better is I've been I've been Talking to the programmers that left. Um, well, I've been talking to arsenic the lead programmer that left and he says that they are They're not gonna they're not going to try and keep any of the code or anything They're gonna leave all the work that they've they've already done there with made a buff So core did not lose any progress in this little a little debacle this little I don't know Period of badness. I don't know what you want to call it but um I Did I did want to get the the programmers side of the story in case people cared I mean as far as as far as I care about I really care about the effect more than the cause like I Want to know how it's going to affect the progress of the game And it looks like it's not going to affect it too too much I mean they did lose some experienced programmers But um, I know a lot of people are probably curious about this and I know I kind of gave I gave them I gave the programmers that left a more of a bad rap than I wanted to in that video I didn't script that video So I didn't make the point that I really wanted to make which was there's always two sides to every story and So I got the second side of the story and so in case anybody's wondering Yeah, there was there were uh The programmers that left they did they did leave over money You can call it greed if you want but they Seems like they were just some pretty young kids that when they got there to made a buff and core they were offered What was kind of a low? Low ball amount for what they were doing. They were offered like 1% of 1% shares which is fine if you're also getting paid a salary, but they weren't and So they just didn't want other people to be benefiting from all of their hard work And they just wanted fair compensation for the work that they did so I Think that's I think that's fine. You could I mean it's this is all opinion You can you can think about that however you will and you might think, you know, they're not Professional programmers. Why should they get paid? professional wages, but the way I look at that is oh made is not a Professional company like like they're a startup company. They're a startup indie company. So I think the the startup indie programmers that they have should probably get paid about the same that any Normal programmer would get paid, but um, that's their side of the story I already told you made a buff side of the story So you guys have any thoughts on the on the gossip here on the on the gossip corner Jack, well, you can go right ahead if you'd like to Well from where I see it. Yeah, it's pretty fair that they left they chose to leave because of money It's pretty understandable programmers nowadays get paid quite a lump sum But I could also see from the both side They could have also eventually gave them more money or whatever more shares said or when the company Yeah, she started up and left whatever alpha. You want to call it? I Can see it from both sides Yeah, like you said Mungus it could be from greed could be from anything but I mean to I Was it really like a like a full-time job position thing that they were all working on or what like was it all a bunch of like 17 year olds working on it. Like what was the story there? I mean arsenic Just graduated with a computer science degree and he was kind of he was kind of getting in there Originally kind of looking at it as like an internship, but they didn't have anybody else So he ended up being the lead programmer and kind of learning as he went and No matter how you put it, they put a lot of work into the game Like all the all the programming that's been done for course been done by them I mean there was there was a team before them that also got let go. I'm not sure what the circumstances were there, but I Mean a lot of that is due to their their hard work and I can see that they wanted fair compensation I can also see maybe offside for of it that they just don't want somebody running over them and taking the company away from them, you know, but Whatever it's it's over and done with and it looks like there's no major impact to the production of core Yeah, it's definitely a tricky situation because I didn't really even think about it until Jack will mention that, you know Seeing both sides of the story That meta buff maybe would have been able to to offer more down the line You know, who's who's to say who's to know? But it's definitely fair to want compensation that is You know equivalent to what you're you want to get back what you're putting into a project. So It's tough, but like you said it's over. It's done with they are saying that it didn't hurt the progress So that's good. That's good. If that's what they are telling us then We'll just kind of see where they can go and wish them the best from here on out Yep, and hopefully hopefully everybody everybody can move on from this Hopefully those programmers can can move on and maybe find themselves a different job somewhere else and Core can move on and make their game and we can all just forget about this Yeah, maybe everybody can benefit from it in some way or another they got some experience Maybe it's something they can put on a resume or something, you know I'm from the sounds of it. They're not gonna want to put made a buffalo Let's move on now to a meta studios and predecessor Smokey's been they smoke. He said the item shop tests have been going well and they've been working on the jungle buff camps I said the red camp went Went really good, but the blue camp he was having a little bit of troubles with I didn't get to see the stream jackal you watched the stream where he was working on the blue buff And he said he said it was working out, right? Yeah, he had the buff off working the buff transfer it over to the player properly He got the HP to work and the damage dealt to work, but he didn't get the the I think he didn't get the damage from The model working correctly yet. Okay Progress though progress and that that's good progress because in the alpha There were no jungle buffs at all and actually the jungle minions gave as much XP and gold as a lane minions So it was kind of useless to even go into the jungle at all during the alpha So that's good to see from them It's good to see that they're not only fixing the old problems that they had that they identified in the alpha But they're also implementing new things going forward Mandiano predecessors your baby. What do you think? I? am pretty impressed with the amount of Work he got done on that stream because he's always kind of said that the streams are you know To let the communities go know how things are going and and also for him to spend some time with his community and everything like that But not a whole lot of work can actually get done You know he's trying to interact with chat and answer questions and blah blah blah So I think that's an impressive amount of work to get done on a stream Like he said he gets a lot more work done off stream. So I think it's good to it's a good gauge of hopefully The progress that they're making and I'm excited. You see they're picking up pace, right? Like yeah, they seem to be getting faster and faster with this like yeah You can really tell it He's really passionate about it too because I think he's a big thing first sort of games and if he's that that into it and that into the community and everybody you're like getting into it then It's pretty much amping up for success. Yeah, I Imagine you probably like a smokey cuz he looks like Gideon. I Mean to be fair I look like getting to Probably the Canadian thing Like Gideon was the Canadian character He should have had a big maple leaf that dropped dollops of syrup down on top Confirmed Canadian team for you sports Canadian Gideon, I love it Let's move on to undying games with ethereal. We I had some big stuff planned with them But uh scheduling didn't quite work out We'll try and get to you next week. So if you have any questions For the undying team go ahead and hit me up in the comments and whenever I do what I'm gonna do I'm gonna keep that a secret, but whenever I do that. I'll hit them up and ask them But um, we're just gonna talk about ethereal a little bit in general You know, they released marina last week the marina's voice actress was in their discord chat the other day I'm I was out in the road. So I didn't get to ask her any questions. I wanted to ask her some stuff about voice acting But yeah, that's a that's a cool place to hang out their discord and I think that's about it jackal you want to talk about their item system that they that they released the other day, right? Yeah, I mean there was like quite a hypothetical quite a few hypothetical things I thought it could you know happen because always seen as up to two or three, right? I mean is it possible that they could do beyond that they could do to your four to your five or even Maybe they stop at two or three, but some of the early game items have Like a quest feature or something that you go and do in the game to maybe help you out in the early game If you're not that far ahead so maybe get your team back and rolling into the game Instead of just having an unfair advantage just because you died once or twice right in the early game So there's a lot of things they could do with it But from what I've seen the items are really nice I Suppose anything's possible I mean that they've certainly illustrated that with their game design so they could it could go beyond the tier three items and I kind of don't know either if like the If it's gonna be the traditional way of a tier one transforms into a tier two which transforms into a tier three I think that's what it's gonna be. But yeah mix and match. Yeah, never know. You never know I guess another thing would be I still haven't announced the overseer class or anybody that's in it. I was kind of hoping that Marina was gonna be The overseer for some reason. Oh really? I knew she was gonna be a support Now they're not gonna release anything any information about the overseer class until after the alpha the overseer is not gonna be in the Alpha test is just too complicated of a thing to to test out like um like we mentioned on the show before you need to start out With fairly basic heroes in an in an alpha to just get a baseline before you start adding in the more complex Revenant and like phase and Kwong style heroes. Yeah, first we need the Shinbees What's that? Shinbees. No, I watched you. I saw you earlier typing about my Shinbe. You need to do my Shinbe alone I Okay, we'll calm Let's move on to Phoenix Rising. They had nothing this week Just if you guys are interested in learning anything more about any of these games I'll have a bunch of their social medias linked in the description below. You can check them out there I highly encourage you to do so and do the the research on your own Also, people don't seem to believe me But if you want to come host the show with us, all you got to do is ask me so a Lot of people after that video I did this week We're like, oh you let just people that are just fans of Paragon when host the show like yeah, that's vast majority of the people that we have on here are just fans of Paragon like Jackal that just want to Bullshit about Paragon because we will refuse to let the game die. So yeah And let's move right along to the poll results for this week Very different than what it used to be I've only been doing this, you know by the month, but Core is at 30 percent predecessors at 21 percent ethereal at 46 percent. Whoa, Phoenix rising at 3 percent They they they jumped out of their little 2% there was always at 2% and they jumped to 3% I'm so proud of them so Came up and took the lead. Yeah, they did a lot of people lost a lot of faith in core Not just not just because of the the shenanigans that have been going on but just in general people have been losing a lot of faith in core Yeah, that's one of the reasons I did that video. I think that people were imagining Stuff that was far worse than what it actually was so and I kind of wanted them to come out and just tell the community that Yeah, you had some programmers leave so things are slow, but they didn't so I said fuck it I'm gonna tell everybody I did so Actually, I kind of expected predecessors to be above core, but predecessors definitely higher than they used to be but Yeah, they're working the way up, but ethereal for now has taken the lead That is a that is a first in hype poll history that ethereal has taken the lead. I Wonder why Phoenix rising went up a little bit. I'm happy about it, but I don't know why you guys got any theories Maybe maybe they got their their entire team of devs People are listening to what we say about, you know, just because They're not pumping out the updates weekly doesn't mean they're not working hard. So maybe yeah for all we know They're like a week out from releasing alpha I know they're I know I know for a fact they're not a week out They are they are they they've they've progressed well beyond what we saw in the past and it's gonna be awesome whenever they They finally dane to release some information, but um, let's move on now to the highlight reel for this week Had a couple of highlights for you Quombomb returning if you remember him from the twin blast episode, but anyway, let's take a look at the highlights First clip we have here is from Quombon highlighting the effectiveness of the old raging bull card If you don't know what that is in legacy raging bull will give you a stacking movement speed buff You see the blue around her feet there upon minion kill and it was it was a growth order affinity card It worked very well in sparrow where him page jumps into the freight steel comes into that big ultimate Trying to get out of there now because they are taking a lot of damage Sparrow has that a black buff. She wisely decides to ignore steel and go after Iggy But still comes into her line of sight anyway while she's channeling the inner fire It's going to take out that Iggy pretty easily. Look how fast she's moving here with all of these kills and the I believe Hero kills counted as well, but she's going to continue stacking that Raging bull card up taking out some minions clearing up these minion waves trying to make a push on this power In between sparrows kind of creep it up See you know what she can do, but she doesn't see the movement speed on sparrows She gets bumrushed missing a few shots here, but that's okay big boy rampage coming up with a stone to secure that kill Look how fast she's going This next clip is from Zeus Wolf not the flashiest play ever But it does highlight how everything pulled together in paragon to create such a great sort of visceral experience the Animations and the sound design and everything he's playing my big boy Rick here You probably see what's coming Damn that hook into the ultimate while she's taking tower shots. She's gonna scream in her face But it doesn't matter. He slaps that bitch down great Richter play right there. It just oh God that that this highlight just makes me miss paragon so much Final clip from the old prodigy playing countess and that morgue is just way too far out Countess wants that booty and she's going to get that booty. She is zeroed in Is she gonna get her a huge dark tide damn near a triple kill with one dark tide? That was amazing amount of damage now zinx the ever so tanky zinx is trying to get away She's in the middle of a lot of damage here Takes out the zinx with another dark tide. Oh, she lost the monkey. She lost the monkey. Where the monkey? He's right in front of her. Oh, this is close. She's taking hits from the doppelganger But she survives and gets away with a pentakill All right guys, I hope you enjoyed the highlight reel for this week So we're gonna move in for the topic for discussion for this week And it's something I keep seeing pop up over and over and that's uh other uses for the paragon assets other than a MOBA We talked we hit on it a little bit last week, but um, I've seen a few things. I've seen the the auto chest for paragon I've seen Frisbee golf with paragon and then troll face of course in my discord is working on kind of a an action game with the paragon assets and I'm definitely gonna go to nail down a time that I could talk to him about that game And I'll do maybe a little video for that just in the next four the minions and you can check that out because it's pretty cool It seems like he's using Sarath as his main hero and um, but yeah So other uses for the paragon assets. What do you guys think? What do you think? You think you would play a game just because it had a paragon heroes or what kind of ideas do you have for some for some? Games that you can use the paragon heroes in what do you guys think? Um, I don't know that I would play a game just because it had the paragon heroes in it Um, I would probably be intrigued to see how they were used But I don't know that I would you know like stick with it, but I see you know here on our little show notes Um, I'm assuming jackal this was you that put down some of these suggestions like the mmorpg or was that you booze? No, that was that was me. Yeah, okay. I was gonna say I love that idea because I love me a good mmorpg so I think it'd be really cool to have the paragon heroes in there and um You know get to kind of maybe even customize them a little bit more because mmorpgs do usually have a little bit more Custom uh character customization options. So I think that would be really cool I would love that um, and I also love the uh suggestion of an avenger style game where you get to kind of like use a different hero for Um, uh, whatever type of mission you might be doing in said game. So those are some really cool suggestions I'll let you talk about them instead of me talking about your suggestions But those are the ones that I like Yeah, I mean, it's okay to voice your your opinion what you think uh, I don't want to have here so um I had another one uh diablo style game. I guess it's kind of like an mmo, but it's not Uh, it's not so much open world, but you know, you just kind of go around you collect items still monsters all that stuff I mean you could I don't know throw in sparrows regular old archer and get Bow upgrades and etc and all that stuff you use the cars as upgrades sort of Yeah, I'm not too abilities. Yeah I'm not too sure what uh auto chess is but is it is it kind of like Team play like team tft or yeah, it's team. It's exactly like tf. Okay. All right. All right Then I guess someone's already covered. I just kind of wrote it down because uh, I wasn't sure what auto chess was Um, but yeah, I mean the fact that somebody's already done it. It's pretty good I mean, I'm sure it's it has a long way to go And there's a lot of stuff that you can do with it and a lot of different heroes I'm sure they probably used all the heroes and stuff, but I mean those assets are free people might as well pick them up and use them. They're beautiful assets and Find if I knew what to use them You're right on the train It kind of comes down to uh, the question I asked which is did you love the game or did you love the heroes and a lot of people said both He can't pick both. Well, I mean to be fair Uh, I picked things that are familiar. So I've never played auto chess But I think I would now because tft came out for league And I've never played auto chess until uh, that came out. I I don't know why I actually find it fun But it's fun, but I don't actually enjoy playing league anymore. So it's it's just something that's familiar to me um But it's still uh something new So familiar and new is is like a good combination. Yeah Yeah, so not so much that I like the paragon assets that would play it It's uh, just like if it was a style of game I would play I would play it, but if there's something that's familiar to me, I'd still give it a try Yeah, like man, he said she would be intrigued. I would be intrigued too. Like the the frisbee golf like I would play that would Toss frisbee Give me some giddy Let's go. Yeah, some giddy and desk giddy would be so good at it You ever played frisbee golf like real frisbee golf? No, I wish I had that topic It's so fun, but just like everything you got overly competitive assholes in the play that have like Sets of different frisbees for each Oh, my god, like they get up all uptight about the rules like motherfucker. Just throw the frisbee at the goddamn chain thing Nobody cares But yeah, um I kind of like the idea of the diablo style game because I love diablo, but Oh, yeah, I've never played avengers. So I have no idea about that MMO that would be pretty tough. I think that would take that would take a lot of development to do Yeah, it would it's I mean mmo's are all based on lore, right? There's a lot of lore behind older dlc and stuff. So I mean look at world of warcraft or what What is it almost 20 years deep? and There's still going. I mean, I'm sure the player base has dropped off a little bit because there's more Games to play Yeah, different things to do now instead of just wow is the fucking titan that's never gonna go down though Yeah, I mean, uh, we'll see Um, yeah, but I mean also they used some of the paragon assets but ideas for fortnite skins I thought that was kind of rude, but you know It was just they just spit right in our faces with that didn't they That's pretty much when I stopped playing fortnite It's like the last one us all was that was the was the revenant skin. Did they put a gideon skin into? Yeah, it was it was like the overseer or something something weird Thing that they did now was like they made gideon a girl and not not there's anything wrong, but I mean If they would just put gideon right in I would have been fine with that I saw that it was the rev it was the I forget what the the dark crow revenant or somewhere the fuck it was Yeah, what it was called, but I saw that as a as a fortnite skin. I was like you motherfuckers They're just so bad at us over over again But yeah, no, well I've I've heard some people say something about a paragon battle royale before too, but I thought about that writing that and I was like, um, I would nope All right, so did you guys have anything else to say on the on the topic? I think I'm good I think I'm I'm okay for now. I'll be back eventually forever. Hold your peace We're two months from now Move on to plugs jackal. What do you got the plug brother brother? I just got my I guess youtube I only have really one video clip on there of gideon gameplay because uh, you know, I don't know why I just never recorded more but There's a nice video up there. You can watch it. It's be I don't know if you call it entertaining, but You're welcome to go check that out or some of my other cringy videos that I have on there Like me having multiple like multiple personalities in the arm of two video It's uh, it's funny. I don't know All right, I'll check it out Maybe what do you got the plug? Uh, same old same old. I just been streaming Streaming yeah, if you guys haven't checked out maybe stream go check it out. She is uh, incredibly engaging She's fun to watch and um But she's got her chat hat thing the chat hat is my favorite part of your stream. She just has different, um Conversation topics that she'll pull out of a hat and everybody'll discuss them. So yeah, go go check maybe out Go go go go drop her a follow Oh, thanks Welcome That'll be $20 Yeah, we discussed previously for him to say that You know, I would never say anything good about man But I got nothing to plug so uh, so let's let's uh, let's end it with another with another um With another question for the community I want to know Who do you think would win in a fist fight between morguech and the fey? No magic Just throwing hands just throwing fists Fey can use her wings morguech can use her horns. I want to know what do you what do you gotta say right now jack? What do you who do you think would win? Sounds like they're using sticks to hit each other with No, not sticks. There wasn't a force Yeah, just well, maybe they could pick up sticks. It's a bar fight bar rolls Street rules street rules. Who do you think would win jackal? ah fey Mandy morguech I love me the fey, but I think in a down and dirty bar fight. I think morguech would pull it out Let me know in the comments below what you guys think but for now This is the for the millions crew signing off you guys have a good one man