 Calvin welcome what would you say is the biggest mistake people make when they they're trying to decide what sort of saddle to buy? Well you understand what size seat they ride and a lot of this is kind of like people who's new to the sport of cutting and most people want to ride a saddle that's too small. You know to be able to sit in your saddle you got to have a little bit more seat to where you're sitting on up more on your pockets okay that's probably the big the biggest thing I would say right like that. So would you say okay I'm about 5'11". So is there a rule of thumb that I might need a 15.5 or a 16? No your height don't really as much as your size of your thighs. Your saddle really fits between right here and your front swell right here to this candle. But the biggest thing I look at when I want to I'll look at what a saddle fits right here these front pads. This is where you know you've seen the white spots on horses. Some kind of reason these saddles they get rounded right here that's what eats on the horses back creates that pressure point. So you want it flatter here where it kind of spreads it out. Well it depends on how you want to hold the horn I mean I had guys like Terry Riddle that he liked a little bit kind of taller horn and he rode a horse completely different than what Buster Welts did. You know like I was saying Buster said you hold a horn like you do it got a cigarette right here where you know push on it and get away from pulling on a horn. You don't want to pull on your horn but you ride the seat of your saddle. When you ride the seat of your saddle you're not riding your horn. What I mean by riding your horn is kind of using that to hold on too much.