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Enjoy the show We got the green light Yeah, that's like he's gonna love hanging out with my son, bro I tell you my son's destined to be what if I had the if he wants to be like a jock rocker Yeah, you guys look like you got artists on your hands and then what if I had the athlete how weird would that be? My son's like Adam you like help my kid out again. I don't know Justin will help yours out No matter how much I try to cross parent here push the sport the basketball football golf baseball thing I mean we got it all he's just drawn to music man. I could not believe he dances He took the drums like Water we were at we're at Katrina's mom's house. We're celebrating the new backyard. They just got done and They had a live band there and everything and Katrina said he was like he kept going over This is the equipment and you know how people are with their stuff like you don't want somebody else's random Two-year-old grabbing your guitar. You're so she kept to like having to get him and finally the guy's like no No, it's okay. Go ahead and let him. I have a nephew and he doesn't he's not interested in it all So it's it's cute to see some kid that's interested. He walks over First time ever in person seeing a drum set like that grabs the stick and just starts playing. I know yeah I know you showed us the video. Yeah, that that doesn't look like it fit Yep, he was actually holding them. Well. Oh, yeah, yeah doing all of them not just like hitting on one like symbol Hit the snare And I said it since the beginning right so like still to this day I can't get him to sit still for 30 minutes watching his favorite cartoon But he will watch music videos for hours or until he falls asleep Like that's one of the ways that he falls asleep with the only shame is that you have him listen to country all the time I sure should don't want him listening to the hip-hop stuff. That's out there right now that's definitely don't want to influence it with that way and He's just I tried to play some hard rock and maybe some classic rock to see if he gets into it He'll listen to some of it He's like he likes Justin Timberlake too So he's a little into some poppy stuff like that little Michael Jackson He liked a little bit some rockabilly in there, but he loves I think what he loves about country is the instruments Oh, yeah, I think you know, I don't like this country music, but I like the sentiment It's always very good. You know what I mean? Like good messages. What I'm saying early people. What do you think I've cement? I don't know what you meant, but It's like our exercise today you guys try to get me to succession. I'm like, what what are you talking about? It's kind of rock formation. I everybody gets everybody gets a spot sponge Bob Michael Jordan also like that I get yeah, so people don't even know this right so once a week We have a somebody who comes in and does improv training with us to help us be better on the show That was Justin's Suggestion, I thought it was brilliant and it's great. It's a lot of fun. It's funny. It's challenging now Do you guys have a favorite exercise that we do of all the ones that we do? Hmm. I mean, I like the the latest one where you're doing the press conference You're kind of looting to yeah, that's one of my favorites just cuz you don't know what is Going on and it's like you have to kind of like feed off the questions to be able to put it all together And I don't know I like it. Yeah, dude. So this morning. I'm working out right and Andrew's in here working out with us He's the guy producing our youtube Videos and he's doing do you see him doing tricep press downs? I was not watching look like a horse kicked the back of his arm. Oh, yeah, nice little horseshoe I was just telling him though. I said I said you've been really consistent lately. He said, yeah No, I'm trying to he's falling strong right now. Yeah. Yep. Yep, and he's doing good I was watching him do the high poles. He's doing you know extras like down. This is impressive and then I realized something We got a badass team here. So so let's let's run down the list here. Chokey strong as hell. Yeah So was Olivia. Olivia are interns strong as hell. Yeah, then we got geo He's a brown belt and Brazilian jiu-jitsu Eli is I think purple or brown belt or almost there in jiu-jitsu Like we got we got some badass. We're training for media wars There's one rule though that I told them and I'm sure you guys support Like you can get strong and all that stuff if you surpass any of the owners the strength you fired Immediately. Yeah, we don't allow that. We're gonna cut you our egos won't let you do that. No, but it was cool It's cool to see everybody like really Kicking ass. Yeah, there's something in the water right now. I think everybody's been Pretty consistent. This is the most consistent the four of us all at the same time Right, we tend to all have like our moments or one of us is more consistent than the other But I'd say this is the the most consistent everybody's been Yeah, the the benefits of consistency besides obviously physical benefits. I think the main ones are mental I don't know if you guys notice that but the more consistent you are with your training Just the more consistently your mood is positive. I would say. Oh, yeah Yeah, the energy is totally different. Yeah, I feed off that and plus like to Memory recall for me is so much better when when I'm like, isn't that weird? Yeah. Well, it's not weird once you know Yeah, it makes sense. Once you know the science, but it's a hundred percent true. This is why artists writers musicians when they get Block when they have writers block or they're stuck. What do they always do? Yeah, they go for a walk or move Move. Yeah, they gotta move. Yeah, absolutely now speaking of good energy So I'm you know getting my my dude done by vicky or awesome barber and she plays Great music, right? So 90s hip-hop. So I'm listening to it and bone thug comes remember bone thug. Oh, yeah. Oh I'm not gonna do Okay, I love them right there. They were great I love that era, but I'm listening to music and then we're talking about music and she's talking about how She's cutting hair for 10 hours a day And it's really important the kind of music that you play and then it made me think like There's definitely things I miss about managing gyms that I didn't realize that were that I would ever miss, right? So obviously I'm not in a gym working out all the time. Yeah, you're gonna miss that a lot stuff But the the big one of the main things I miss is music being on in the background all the time Yeah, no, that's true. It's a good point too. Plus you get exposed to a lot of music you normally wouldn't listen to Uh, because it just I don't even listen to the radio that used to be the thing Because the radio just is littered with stupid commercials and uh, like covid information You've heard drilled into your brain a thousand million times. So I turn radio off. I'm just listening to my own playlist I'm so sick of it. Yeah, there's not a lot of professions that allow you to listen to music all day all day Yeah, it was always on in the background to the point where especially in the early days When the music was being piped in through this was the early days of like satellite where you know And then there was radio before that you would hear some of the same songs come on Now if I hear certain songs, it'll literally take me back to a time when I managed gyms Like I'll hear a specific song and I'll remember working the front desk You know at hillsdale, uh, which is a you know location in 24 or I've training a particular client But I miss that I miss music in the background all the time because I don't think I don't think I realized how much of an impact that had on Positivity and mood and productivity just having that on in the background Oh, I imagine the music that you're that they're choosing in gyms tours Upbeat and positive the opposite could happen too, right if you're listening to like Play sad music all the time. Yeah sad music or angry music all the time. I would think that You mentioned people do cardio to sad music I feel that's what's playing though. You know say when I when I get on the so I feel it's playing in my head You want a sad country? Because you're killing the fat. That's what's going on. No, but I I miss that Is there anything that you guys miss from working in the gym that you the competitive atmosphere? Yeah, I love that. That was my favorite. My favorite was good looking people. Do I have to say it? Wait, hold on a second. What do you mean you miss that? I'm just saying take a look around. Forget you guys You're saying like good looking other people. All right, so specifically good looking not us. Yes is what you're saying That's what I'm saying. I felt the the gym atmosphere And I wasn't ready for it to be that way Was a lot like team sports There I I felt a lot of parallels to The competitive atmosphere with that right you have a team together even though you guys are Somewhat competitors when you think about it trainers are all fishing from the same pond But yet there's a team aspect of it that you're not you're not competitive with them So very similar to what that's like when you're playing a sport You guys practice every day against each other to get better at what you guys do You all have a common goal, right? So the gm or the fitness manager is driving the team towards a common goal Getting everybody to move in the same direction the same challenge. There is with with getting sports There's always the outliers that are paying the ass like Building people up and developing them. There's so much of the the sport and team aspect that I were that I felt Played into working it was it was very competitive. It was also dynamic When you're running a gym people are constantly coming in and out. So it's never Static it's not like working in an office. I've worked in offices for very short periods of time Didn't last because I couldn't stand it But they tend to be static same people same thing gyms are never like that. There's definitely trends and things you see But so many people are in and out stuff is happening all the time. It's also why This is one thing I miss but I also don't miss you need a lot of energy Working in a gym. It just doesn't work to go in there and be chill. You're just always go go go Here's something else. I really missed that. It's it's hilarious. I'm sure makes sense once I say it I miss the intercom I miss being able to get on the intercom here on yourself. I know I still hear myself I feel like we've been to a gym and then like the first thing sal did was went and like attention I can hear myself I used to have so much fun on the intercom like Mike I used to love selling apparel supplements And then saying shit to make my staff laugh on the inter. It was one of my favorite things Did you did you guys do the intercom? I did I messed around with it, but I didn't have the same infatuation with it Oh, I had a blast But it makes total sense. You're also the one who listens to the podcast the most too So you're the most consistent with that fast forward you guys. That's true I believe that I would 100 percent believe that that's not true at all You know what else I I kind of miss your right cell. Yeah, I kind of miss the excitement of Like having to call and this sounds fucked up Ambulances and police. Oh god. Well, I mean when you're listen when you're running a gym at least look, okay Let me ask you a question when you guys manage clubs. How often would you have to call an ambulance or police? Yeah, I mean it once a week. Yeah, that's kind of exciting I mean, yes I actually never liked that. I mean, I was always nervous that I was gonna have to go try and save somebody I didn't like I didn't like the pressure of that. I didn't like the pressure of somebody could pass out right next to me I never had to do cpr. Luckily, but I most certainly Dreaded the thought of having to somebody's lives being in my hand I've seen a few people drop on the treadmill and just get fired off cold. Yeah, it was like that was not Yeah, pleasant dude. I saw a lady get fired off the treadmill because I think she was hitting the wrong button I've told the story a long time. I think She was hitting the button and I and she was hitting speed up Not slow down And you know how no no no Yes, okay, so old school treadmills They're better now they're much more responsive now and now they have where you attach Like something to your clothes. So if you get too far away it automatically turns it off But the old school treadmills is back in 1998 99 when I'm first run They you had to hit the stop button and if you didn't I don't give a shit what you're doing That thing's gonna keep running and they're strong And so this woman was on there and I could see here because back then that one of the first clubs I worked in the front desk was here and the cardio was right over there across the way And I I was you know, you watch the cardio you check people in I'm a trainer I'm trying to get people to set up goal assessments and stuff like that And I see this lady and she's this older Asian woman and big glasses And she's walking on the treadmill, but I'm noticing she's walking like I don't know if she can keep up with that speed And I see her doing this like hitting the button and she's going faster and I'm like, oh, shit She's hitting trying to make up for it with the swivel. She yeah She's hitting the speed up button And so she starts to lose her and I yell across hit someone hit the stop button and people by the way I've seen many people go down on treadmills and fall off cardio Nobody helps them ever people continue doing cardio. I've seen it happen like 10 times. Nobody stops. They look over And they keep doing the thing. Oh, that sucks for you So I'm yelling like hit the stop button hit the stop button and she fucking loses her footing But here's the worst part. She held on so she held on And the treadmill is still running and it's pulling her pants off Oh my god. Oh, yeah, dude. Finally. So it's like Was it say Hillsdale this Hillsdale the old one this is before they did it the old one This one they had racquetball and they had a women's park because there's only a few options once you know You're gonna eat shit, right? Dude, like I've seen where you know the defeats are getting lazy and they stop and then it's Your face plant right on you know the treadmill. She held on for a good three seconds. I start running over there It's pulling her her like workout pants off or whatever and then she lets go and then it fires her off into the wall And I was like, wow, that was hilarious. So she was okay though at Hillsdale I watched a Tourette's kid get launched and bounced off of the group x room because they had the last Row of treadmills and so if you can imagine the what does Tourette have to do with this? Yeah Well, he was a Tourette's kid like he literally like would so this walk around going like fuck. Yeah. No He was like uh 16 17 years old I remember his parents came in signed them up. He like they sat down and met to let us know So he's gonna say some shit. Yeah. Yeah like that. So we were and we were totally used to we knew I can't remember the kid's name It's been so long But we come in say hi to when we always kept an eye on him for for them and stuff like that And then we'd always let members know that we're nearby if they were because you get complaints and stuff that he has Tourette's And so he would run on the treadmill time and then randomly you hear him swearing and stuff It was totally normal, but he always went to the back row So and he did in the late morning when it wasn't really busy and stuff And he was running on the very back row and the very back row right behind the treadmill Literally three feet maybe four feet tops is the glass for the group X and I remember one time you hear that Yeah, you hear the Gus word real quick and then you just thought it was normal Oh, yeah, and then you see him poop and get launched and then shot because you hit that thing if it's like speed eight plus Oh, it'll it'll fire. Yeah, it'll he just he skipped right off of it and slammed in the the plexiglass afterwards Worst thing and this is I've seen lots of accidents, but this one made me feel the worst So we had you know, you have physio balls remember when that first became a thing Because they weren't in gyms at first when I first went worked in gyms Physio ball was not a thing then all of a sudden they became a thing and they were everywhere And we had one and one of my operations guys Said hey sal someone brought to my attention that this one has a cut in it now. It's still okay But it might burst. Yeah, I said put it somewhere where members aren't gonna use it Well, this moron put it in the group x room up high But it looked like you could I mean this would happen. So Member signs up heavy heavy set woman and she specifically asked my sales guy specifically Can I sit on one of those physio balls? I'm kind of heavy Can I use them or and he goes no no no they're tested for like a thousand pounds Totally safe. Which ball do you think she grabbed? The one that was almost broken and she blew it up Yeah, and you hear a big old and I felt so bad for her on the ground big old ball exploded. I was like, oh my god, dude Anyway, I got her to buy some training after that because I did either one of you guys I didn't get a chance to read the article But I was interested in because I thought it was at least got me click bait He's what the title the the pork in california thing was it jerry or or um Who sent it over to us this morning? Yes, that's the thing the title got me which i'm like you are not touching my bacon Yeah, what's happening? That's probably exactly said So, okay, so you guys read it. No, that's why i'm asking so i'll look i'll pull it up because i don't want to um I don't want to misrepresent it. Um, but California passed a proposition i'm going to name the proposition that essentially gave guidelines to how you know pork and chicken and All these animals are raised and Essentially how we can produce some of these foods And i can't remember what the proposition is it's a it's oh It it's called animal welfare proposition It was approved and it gave rules and laws for how much space these animals needed and how they should and it's a One of those feel-good propositions that people passed right the problem is Only four percent of hog operations comply with the new rules. Oh, wow now calif this means that california not only Won't allow animals in california to be raised this way and slaughtered this way But it also means they won't sell anything That's raised or slaughtered this way. So now we've just shrunk the market Down to four percent of producers and this is the problem with With feel-good laws and propositions is that nobody thinks further than this feels good Because now here's the problem Eggs bacon milk These are staples for a lot of people and especially people in low income This is oftentimes the only unprocessed food that they eat well Didn't you now it's going to make them super expensive don't you think this is the the natural progression of where we're going If it's not going to be if it's non-regenitive farming It's going to get taxed at a higher rate or outlawed potentially like don't you think we're moving this direction anyways? Well, so yeah, and but here's again. Here's the issue with that is that Sometimes things feel good and we don't consider the potential ramifications So imagine your low-income family. Yeah, you're supporting your kids 90 percent of what you buy supplies Substantial yeah, so 90 percent of what you buy is processed garbage because it's cheap. It's easy it to buy But hey, my kids still drink milk. I still can buy them eggs. I could still buy them bacon Oh my god bacon now five times as expensive or not available So we're eggs. I'm not going to do it anymore. So we don't consider Some of these the article going into the prediction of that. I mean what four percent of of producers Yeah, we're just going to cause a big shortage if they if they don't change it and it'll only be california Though they'll have that so we're going to have like a black market for bacon. Yeah, well, uh, the here's the other issue california is such a big market My ears just perked up. I know California is such a big market that it could cause problems for other states as well Remember, we're one of the biggest markets for anything Oh, because it'll we'll have to shut down even the farming. I mean they're gonna shut down We can't they can't technically they won't be able to those farms can't sell to minnesota They'll be able they can but because they're not selling to california And let's say you're a producer of bacon in california by itself 30 percent of your yeah, exactly. Okay I wonder what I wonder how what percentage that is. So now now companies like butcher box Uh, I think you know, you're you're gonna see like them benefit, right? Because they probably fall under that small category of companies that meets all these requirements now the demand's gonna explode Yeah for I mean, do you think that this could just be a transition period though where Yeah, it's gonna hurt at first. There'll be a major shortage, but then it's gonna drive a lot of people into better farming practices I mean, I figure that's the desired outcome of this right I mean, eventually it isn't just the tax or fuck everybody. It's eventually but you have to consider the downstream Consequences and what happens in the meantime. Yeah, understandably But if the if the desired outcome is to move towards regenerative farming and doing things like that Would you suggest is the best transition? Well, let me put it this way I don't probably make massive moves like this when we're already in economic crisis Like like we're already hurting from you know, small businesses are getting to And now let's just do this. Is it really an economic crisis right now? It is for somebody else There's more money and people's seven savings account than ever housing prices are going through the roof stocks are going up like crazy I'm just talking for $100 for vaccine shots now. I mean, is it really that much of an economic crisis right now? Yeah, I mean not for big business Yeah, speaking of speaking of which So I'm just I'm not an expert in this. So this is just my own experience I now I didn't know very many people who got coveted up until recently now I know like 10 people All of them got more vaccinated every single one of them had the vaccine This is kind of an interesting situation right because They're saying that they can now spread this new variant like anybody else This is really going to hurt their credibility. Well, this is I mean to their credit They had no idea of knowing this it's the other variant right first of all so so and then I mean I'm sure there's a pretty good explanation. You got to think that people that get vaccinated are now probably they went from being Staying home masked up if they go anywhere ordering in most time and now they get the vaccine So they feel like they can go all back to normal life, but they can't you know, they can't but they did I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people that got vaccinated felt like they would have superpowers now And then they don't have to worry about anybody else and that's proving to not be true now No, no, it's wild and what in what it hurts is the credibility of the people who've been pushing it because The truth is they don't know right? It's there's no way of knowing no, but because they sold it so hard the first they sold the Flat in the curve two weeks the flat in the curve obviously now we're like a year and something later Then they said, you know get the vaccine you don't have to wear mask now you have to also It's going to get to the point where people aren't going to listen anymore. That's not a good situation to be in Yeah, you're you're losing credibility authority and like yeah That's the thing. It's like who do you turn to now for like real like legitimate Information in terms of you know disease prevention. Yeah, I don't know well speaking of other wild crazy things I got to share these numbers. I was sharing with sal off air. I didn't share with you Or just have to bring this dog. I have to bring it up for sure I just think I think it's like I read it today and it blew my mind I mean as much as I'm in and reading stuff around real estate This is a number and it's the stat I was unaware of and I think it's crazy So we up until the 08 crisis right in the the big crash or recession then We were on average building 2 million homes per year Since then because of that and everything that because the big crash we freaked out and we slowed that down on average to 500 to 600 Thousand homes so production way down. Yeah for the last decade We've been down right now. Then we had the pandemic hit and we shut down of our stuff So we are currently based off of trends on how many new homes that we need to supply the normal demand We're behind by 3.8 million homes and on average We're only doing 500 to 600 thousand per year Then you add in the fact Millennials are up and coming right now Which are the is the biggest buying percentage of people that we've ever had hit the market And then in addition to that you have baby boomers right now 44 percent of them still have a hold of all the homes and yet they only represent 28 percent of the And they're not getting rid of their house and they're not getting rid of their houses They're working longer and they're healthier. So you have this I mean, we've already talked about all the crazy things And then you have moratoriums that are being pushed back even further So this crazy surge of home sales does not you don't think it's going away anytime soon Well, it it can't yeah unless something like the sales point they do something like which they've already said they're not going to So they're not going to raise interest rates from no, they won't unless they have to Right because if you're the one responsible for raising interest rates, you are not getting elected again And so what is and and what does and what what will make have to like? What does that look like? Well, the the only thing that we have to compare As an example would be what happened in the 70s with inflation. We had double digit inflation They did lots of things to try to slow it down Finally, what only thing that got it in check was to raise interest rates. So We would have to see inflation would have to be bad enough Where people would demand something be done. That's it. There's no political pressure. In other words Right now. There is no political pressure To change interest when that happened the opposite now, you know, I agree. That's that's not happy right now Now when that happened, you know, what was that the greatest decline in the dollar? So here's what you saw when they raised interest rates You saw before they before that like because obviously they did it for a reason because we went on this radical run of inflation What i'm asking you is during that time Was that one of the highest runs or declines in the value of the dollar you saw? Yes, you saw a pretty pretty big decline in the dollar although we're printing much more now But you did see a decline in the purchasing power of so that's part of what's interesting What's going on right now is we are completely staying steady because the entire world this happened to The pandemic and everybody you say we're staying staying steady. Look at the look at the dollar right now Look at the value of the dollar in relation to the previous decades and to where it is right now It's not lose inflations Higher now than it's been in in decades peter lennaman That doesn't necessarily mean that doesn't necessarily mean the dollar is losing value That's exactly what that means inflation can happen in other areas it can happen in assets and other things besides just the dollar That's exactly what it means though if the dollar if one dollar buys you a product and then the next month a dollar 50 buys you the same product that means the dollar lost worldwide And everybody's feeling it the same so what you're saying is if everybody sucks then we're cool Or the type of the shit that's actually the worst possible case scenario if the whole world Experiences this massive value devaluing of currencies. There's nowhere to turn. That's a very bad situation Worst case scenario would be are we losing the the dollar losing value while we're also printing all that money that would be worse It's still well, that's what's happening. Yeah, but that's that it's not though in comparison to the rest of the world That's what i'm saying. Are you talking about currencies how they're pegged against each other? Yes, for example the yen in the dollar. Yes Yeah, but I don't think that's an indication of the value of the currency No, the currency's declining. I think it's probably declining worldwide the purchasing power and that's the inflation that we're seeing So it may be the yen and the dollar are still pegged at the same amount of the yen and the euro But we're still seeing a decline in purchasing power of a single dollar. Okay. Let me put it this way in 2008 We exported a lot of some of our issues by other countries buying Treasuries buying and putting their faith in our dollar if everybody's tanks We had nowhere to go So that's a bad. That's a really bad situation inflation is bad right now But again in in the 70s when they corrected it or tried to fix it by raising interest rates You did see a contraction in the economy now the contraction was followed by growth Because you either handle the pain now or you handle the pain later and the pain just gets worse later on So that's now here's the deal. When is it going to happen? Who fucking knows? I have no idea Yeah, well, so the theory is that and then I'm listening I'm by the way, too Like I'm not listening to like an economist like Peter Schiff who has an interest in people buying gold This is NPR news that I'm listening to that because they're non-biased Well, I mean everybody's everybody's technically biased, but what's what is npr trying to sell you? Oh, man NPR oftentimes. Anyway, I get what you're saying though. I think So essentially we're saying you're listening to mainstream economists Yeah, it's not and we're and they're giving out just regular facts and statistics and the theory is that We couldn't possibly catch up for at least five years to a decade Because you couldn't we can't build homes fast enough with the amount of people coming up that are buying them with interest rates As low as you possibly can your only possibility of slowing that down is to creep up rates like you're saying that's it And and how fast are you going to increase the rates in order to slow that down the demand is still that That's what I'm saying predicting when Stuff's gonna happen. I mean boy if you could do that you're you know, it's like that It's like that dude that predicted the 2008 crash. He's like it's gonna happen. Just don't know when and if you guys recall He Thought it would happen sooner and almost lost his ass And then it happened and then he was okay very difficult to predict these things But the the fundamentals don't change You know what it's like this is what it reminds me of when people have these conversations Because here's the problem uh economy economics become politicized in fact We're seeing science become politicized as well and i'll touch on that in just a second But economics have been politicized for a long time. So what they'll do is they'll to make their political argument They spin things but this is what it reminds me of in our space It's like you have the people who say hey look if you go zero carb You can't you're not going to gain body fat because it lowers insulin and insulin Is the the thing that stores body fat and people say okay, that's partially true, but If you don't have excess calories, you can't store body fat. That's a fundamental you can't get around so with economics There are fundamentals fundamentals being supply demand and currency has to be Has to represent those things very well And if it doesn't at some point down the line You start to get a correction. So they can spin it however they want The here's the facts are there artificial Ways of constricting the supply of certain products and things. Yes right now. We're doing a lot of that are there ways of artificially creating demand like Keeping interest rates super low all the time. That's one way to do it So is that going to cause? Distortions in the market that might need to get corrected fundamentals will tell you yeah When who knows who I have no idea. I'll tell you this much right now People who are at the top who own the assets are probably gonna do okay Well, yeah, because even if you think of it this way, right? So obviously we don't think it's crashing tomorrow Yeah, all right, so it's let's pretend it crashes really soon Which really soon would probably be within a year right that would be really soon I'd say five years would be soon. I know right so So let at the rate it's been going if it just maintains that rate Even if you see a crash as bad as 08, which I think everyone's agreed the the likelihood of that is I don't know a single economist that thinks that we're on pace to see what we saw in 08 If even if you were to do that you even you losing that much percentage in your assets, you're still up 25 30 percent. That's what's crazy. I mean that's how much it's it's those assets have gone up That even when the market corrects itself It's if you bought a year ago or more Anywhere beyond that even when the correction happens, you're still going to be sitting on top Which makes sense because we've printed that much money in the economy I think the part that's interesting is the people that are all for all the The free programs and the more money and we need everyone needing help Don't realize those are the same people that are going to get fucked the most of the situation Because all that's going to end up happening is the same buyer habits that have always happened And we know what what consumers do they get that extra money It goes right back in the market and it goes back to the people that have the assets that have the companies that have the houses That have this that have all the stock They end up just getting it so they just get wealthier and the gap becomes bigger And it's all a temporary mean but at the same time disguised as we're helping you Oh, and listen anytime anytime they push a policy and they say this is to help the little guy You should always be very very suspicious like when they'll say Rent's too expensive. So we're going to help the little guy. Here's what we're going to do We're going to pass laws Making raising rent illegal and people like yay. I have an apartment. This is great for me now What happens people don't invest in new apartment buildings people don't invest in upgrading their apartment builds You create a shortage of apartments So anybody who wants an apartment now ends up paying higher prices because there's fewer Available but the people who have them are helped and it sounds good. This is what you got to be careful You know another thing they talked about that that was interesting was uh Boomers being the ones that have 44 of the how the housing market Also blocking uh the development of duplexes and apartments in a lot of areas So there's a lot of zoning laws all over the country that even though there's a huge need for more housing There's not a lot of square footage as far as putting it So you can only build single family homes in a lot of these towns Even though it needs an apartment complex or it needs some duplexes or your triplexes And because they've they've these towns have passed laws that won't allow them to come in So you have that uh working against the the building of the houses too had no idea that was a major problem But with the boomers being the ones that have a good percentage of the housing market Have put that all on place in a while I'm telling you dude one of the best one of the most uh effective strategies for people to Make money and create and make themselves protect their wealth Is to work with government to create laws that ensure that that'll happen or to eliminate their competition I'll give you an example So the I think the founder of beyond meat. I'm gonna look it up just to make sure so this is the The meat alternative right the the the I can't believe it's not me. Yeah, okay So one of the the founders I want to look up who it is exactly He is now backing openly a tax on Meat, of course, right? He has a product that replaces meat. So he's going to support taxing Meat, which is going to make it much more expensive and only do what right improve his ability to compete. Yeah In the market. I got to make sure I find maybe Doug can find this guy's uh who this this person is you can look up like, you know, um, or you know meat Meat guru or something like that or beyond meat guru Supporting increasing meat taxes or something like that. So of course right because if he lobbies and he's and it sounds good, right? No, I want to help the environment or whatever But meanwhile raises the price of his main competitors, which is me it makes him a great Alternative, which is you know kind of crappy Ethan brown. Yeah, and what is he what does he run or? Uh, yeah, he's beyond meat boss calls for a tax on meat to encourage shift to plant based food Isn't that awesome All just need to be on plants gym owners, uh, you know propose a tax for obese people to pay for gym memberships, you know Yeah, it's so annoying uh speaking of uh politicizing science. So that episode we did with carol hoove in right on testosterone She's in the news. Oh, yeah One of her colleagues said that her Statements saying that men and women are biologically different and that biology drives some of our behaviors and stuff is dangerous and transphobic So now she's having to defend all of her research and by the way, it's not just her research This is this is mainstream science or at least it was For a while she has to defend herself now Against all of this and she's all over the news because thank god. She's a woman She'd be getting crucified if she was I think she's already a little bit Oh just a little bit though, obviously because she's still get under heat right now So that's so crazy to me that scientists are getting under, you know, they're under heat for doing science You know, it's just it's a very uh used to be a very pure You know it's objective. Yeah, it's objective. It's just like I'm studying this You know, I see this in animal behavior. I'm see this in human behavior. All I'm doing is reporting the facts What has money not tainted though? I mean Religion politics science. I mean you read in self-interest. Yeah I mean if man is involved in any part of it and there is a place to make a dollar show me where It hasn't been completely polluted by that's a damn good point by corruption Yeah, I mean it touches everything religion is supposed to be like one of the purest forms of it And we all know there's plenty of examples of religious leaders that have Done it to seek power and money and stuff like that. So name name me something that doesn't that isn't been completely tainted You're right. Nothing's immune. Yeah, there's a hundred speaking of testosterone So ever since we did the aired the episode with dr. Ran mclain right from regenerative and sport medicine I've gotten messages from people Who are already on trt and already doing hormone replacement therapy to I told them to still go there and have have him look at it That's what they wanted. So what they want that what they're saying is I want them to assess my current You know protocol, which I think is really smart. No, they should that's exactly how I came across him because and I remember He laughed at where I was at and said I can't believe this is where they started you You should tell them you should tell the audience. Exactly. I have I talked to we talked That's what we talked about that already where I said that the reason why we are we I ended up with him after you Referred him to me was because my tests were coming back Lower than when I started and I needed a higher dose and they were like incrementally moving me up So and he's afraid of giving yeah afraid to give me a little bit more And he's like I would have started you so he would have started me Higher than where I would worked up with them just based off of what my lab said And the stuff that they were talking to me about wasn't even the stuff that he was concerned about There were other readings on my test that he's like, this is the number we care more about We're watching and then more than anything is how you feel. So you tell me this you tell me that That this is what I'm looking at. You know, it's funny. It's it's like any other field I don't care what field you talk about plumbing doctors Whatever, there's people that are really good and there's people that are not so good And in when it comes to hormone therapy Uh, I think this is extremely true. I think you have the standard, you know, basic Oh, here you go here. You're in the range. Don't worry about it. And then you have people really really experts at it Who say okay Well, you can see that just from your your general practitioner and like how many of them won't even let you have I mean, I get dms all the time if someone goes I just did a test and my free test osterone is our total test osterone is at 200 and something And my my gp doesn't won't even recommend TRT for me So there's a lot of gps that that don't they're not versed in this this field If they don't see anything like seriously happening you chronically happening to you Then they won't just you saying oh, you're tired or you have no energy or your sex drive low isn't enough for them to Throw you on to your right. They're still into like just treating illness instead of being optimal Yeah, come back to me when it's broken. Come back to me when this isn't working or you've got anything preventative You just don't see that in any. Yeah, right. Dr Could you imagine if you train clients that way? Oh You know, I don't know this I don't feel good with this workout my hip hurt hurts. No, no, no, trust me. This exercise is great I've read the literature No, no, no, this is plenty of this is the right amount of volume. This is what the science says Instead of the person telling you that's a great analogy an example It's so true and that I mean that's what that's what yeah, so to your point And I have been too I've gotten a lot of dms from people that are already on it And they've told me like where their doses are and what they're doing I said, you know what? You should at least do a consultation with them do a consultation with them and at least get him to look at your labs And talk to you and see whether you stay with their your current one or not I think it's worth doing that in itself and they offer that right you can just literally do like Yeah, have them just hey reevaluate what i'm currently doing. Let me know what you think I'd love your opinion. Yeah, just to see what's going on. Yeah So, um, I didn't ask you guys how your weekends were what you guys were up to I know you were Doing a bunch of yard work. Oh, man. Yeah, I was going crazy trying to get my house prepped and everything And I didn't really anticipate putting my house up on the market But it was just one of those kind of opportunities where we found another place I was gonna remodel and kind of like rebuild and make this whole thing work where I currently live, but Turns out this was a better option. So I was just scrambling They gave us like a couple days before we had to do an open house and Okay, if if you know the current state of your house, so you're living right now Where you're just like, oh, you know, I'm you know, you kind of let things go over the years And you're just like, yeah, whatever I'll get to that Um, but then okay now you have you have like three days to get this thing like primo like spotless like everything like on point And so I was stressed the fuck out, you know, just running around like I've never done so much You know chainsawing and you know like clipping and and digging and raking and like I saw you dig it up Your sewage you're so why'd you have to do that? so I because we get our our septic tank inspected so In order for for them to do it in the time frame because the schedule them is is a big issue So there was a guy who kind of works for the septic company But didn't have like all his gear and truck and all that and was like well I could come you know evaluate your leech field or whatever, but you're gonna have to dig it out and all this I can only come by tomorrow. I'm like tomorrow something about the I don't even have like a pickaxe or nothing and I'm and it's like really hard and like Gravely kind of ground. So it was just like did you do it? Yeah, I did it, but it yeah Yeah, did you see I was like, why the hell is this guy digging that out? I thought they do that I know I was like, wait a minute. I thought I was like and you still gotta pay for it Doing well do this shit anymore. No You got to do this now Was this one of those situations because you told us before how like you'll fix things and you'll like have just your Tool belt on take your shirt off and Courtney gets all. Oh, was this one of those were like, hey honey Can you come look at it? He's digging the septic tank. It would have been except like she was spinning around like doing stuff We're both gone. So I wasn't getting any kind of like, you know attention for that I was just like on a mad rush to do all these things and get it all prepped and ready to go So yeah, I was doing that well for for us because we've you know, we moved right so moving's always a pain in the ass And yesterday Jessica and I were like, let's just do a day or at least half a day Where we just relax. Let's go out in the back And have mimosas, which is you know, it's a good time or whatever. So I made some mimosas for us We'll hang out back there We bought this little pool for the baby and just put like real shallow water So I put him in there had a good time and you know, we had some Some, you know, you know, tan 11 a.m. Mimosas Out in the sun. Oh, yeah, nice. Had a great time. I love day drinking. Yeah. 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I saw yeah, what is that sick, right? That's like that was huge that was something that uh Pop and her had bottled that before he passed and it was supposed to be a special occasion It was his five-year anniversary that he had passed away. So that was what the the celebration was about It was and then also her finishing her backyard Um, but she had it. She texted me the next morning. She's like, oh my god, son That zebiotic is amazing and then she ran back and ordered the big old value pack of them because How amazing she fell after she goes I had so much to drink Yesterday and felt amazing this morning. You know what's interesting about it, too Is like so Courtney she went on like to some party some birthday party and went on like one of those Chardonnay cruises or whatever like through Santa Cruz that you can get on this the chardonnay and you Anyways her her friends and her like got her kind of schnooker And I'm like at the house still trying to like paint what schnooker. It's a thing. It's like it's being drunk Yeah, it's three. She's the wind drunk right and so, you know, she's coming They drove her back home and everything and she's I'm like, oh my god Like what happened like you were supposed to help me and we got into this thing and all that But like she was like just completely out of it and I was like we should try giving you a zbiotic now Even though I know you didn't take one just in case, you know, like even after the fact I've done that before Even after the fact it's still helped a bit. Yeah, no, it helps. Yeah, you know, they're having trouble. It's not ideal But it still helps. Yeah, well, yeah, it's better than not You know the demand for their demand is so high. They were having trouble. That's why she couldn't get them She ordered them last week and they didn't come in yet So she that's why I had to go grab some for her because she she did it anticipating the party It's from reorders. Yeah, it's from people getting it getting some using it and then Trying to get a whole bunch more. Yeah, that's how remarkable it's magical. Yeah, dude So I gotta bring up something about your shirt. Oh, really? I mean, it's this is my really prophetic in so many ways Uh, but I wanted to kind of throw something out there like so Doug if you could also help me on this in terms of like like looking for countries right now that are like have all kinds of Uh protests and are going against their governments. There's a bunch of them right now Oh Europe is going crazy. Yeah, like all over the place France Germany Italy Italy Uh, the the Middle East is like just exploding and all this unrest Uh, but I had heard this this sort of sermon and this brought it back to like the book of revelation and everything And I'm like, oh my god Like it's like it was interesting because you started like Putting all these pieces together of what needs to happen in a curve before like the one world leader sort of takes over But if you think about it if every single country gets to a point where they there's no trust in their government at all What does that leave? Yeah, that's a vacuum. It leaves a power vacuum Then what damn then the lizards and aliens come in the lizards. No, dude. That's not what it is Justin's theory What I am I subscribed to he sold me on there's a world leader that's going to emerge And who are and what are they the savior of all of our because nobody trusts governments anymore Yeah, it's gonna be Joe bucks. Joe Biden is with By the way, Kamala his vp the worst Rankings she has the worst public opinion polls. Yeah, like I think in in history if i'm not mistaken She's so disliked, but anyway, no your theory about the antichrist being ai. That's it So ai emerges leaders. So we're all gonna emerge. So now our our currency is all going digital Governments can all be you know merged together and initially ai digital form solve all of our problems because it's so smart So it just solves everything That's the problem and then all all the billionaires are going to mars instead. I mean that's happening now this conspiracy That's actually They know it's coming so they're they're building these these rockets to get the fuck out of here Pay attention everybody. I'm just trying to put it out there like Put a smoke signal out like listen Shits happen. Hey, I saw I saw a video you ever seen like people who do hypnosis on people And they do like a show and they'll pull people from the audience and do hypnosis By the way, it works on some people apparently you can really hypnotize. I've heard people There's this one guy you just reminded me of this. I hope we can find the video So andricka put it up this guy did hypnosis and convinced One of the guys that he was a martian just says so, you know, what's it like being a martian and the guy goes He's like rid of his own language The only problem with that conspiracy is that that goes against what we all agree that we believe which is that the The first introduction of of like true like ai even taking over at all is Going to be like built in built into us not like a machine by itself So it'll be an ai hybrid human. Yeah hybrid human right somebody who starts to you know Take over their eyesight and then the part of their maybe there's a long-term plan, but they're really pushing this forward Are you found it? He tells him he's a martian Sleep sleep When I count Those are friends We've got you here our first martian when I count to three. It's one two three Just sit up open your eyes. Hey there our first martian. What's your first impression of the planet earth here? You guys I mean that's you creative. Do you guys think you would be hypnotized? No, I don't really no Only works on certain people, right? I think I think part of the process is believing it Is it like what is it the Jedi mind trick only works on the Well these hypnotists they look for people who are susceptible to What do they call it? I forget the word. Oh I know what you're trying to say. Yes suggestions suggestions. Yes suggestions So they'll ask questions to the audience to see who is volunteering You know a lot and that type of this the person has to already somewhat believe that it yeah I saw I saw one and I know we're going along here. Do I get to just like vampires got him vitamin I saw one work. I got hypnate. He people signed up for this and they narrowed it down to the most susceptible people And the experiment was could we get these people to kill someone now? Now they didn't they they weren't actually going to kill someone but they thought they would So they they set him up with a gun They set him up and they gave him instructions and then they played a song or something that triggered them to enact something Yes A guy actually did it. They hit a gun in a garbage. It was loaded with blanks They did the thing he went out got the gun shot someone put it down forgot all about it Because they had convinced them that he didn't that he wasn't part of the experiment So that was part of it. They told him you're not part of the experiment Then they told him that he did this and the guys like no, I didn't they showed him the video The guy freaked out so much that he sued the people and he lost his mind He's like, I can't believe I did that. It was freaking frightening dude. I can't wait. They can get away with an experiment like that They can do that. Maybe it was Yes, it sounds like You can't do that. I don't know man. That's crazy. Maybe you're hypnotizing the book chaos Hey real quick. 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Yeah, both, uh resistance bands are extremely versatile valuable Ways of changing workouts adding variable resistance priming your body You know, it's funny about resistance bands is They were not really considered You know, like a serious exercise tool For a long time and then you saw strength athletes really start to use them I can't remember which powerlifting group did any is west side barbell. Were they the ones really? I know the soviets, uh used them into studies. That's where they got it from. That's where they got it from And then you got strength athletes started using them and they started crushing in competitions And you know initially bands were like considered kind of wimpy But it's hard to do that when you guys and girls squatting and lifting as much as they did Next thing, you know people started using them. I started using them myself As variable resistance with squats and deadlifts love them and then use them for trigger sessions Absolutely love them and now a week doesn't go by that. I don't use resistance bands So I think they're extremely valuable and one of the reasons why they're so valuable Is their resistance gets harder as you stretch them out, which is very different than what you'll experience with weights Yeah, I think you need to explain variable resistance for the the listeners. They understand so if I have a if I have a band I'm doing a overhead press with I may start here at 40 pounds But as I stretch it out, it gets much harder Now the cool thing about this is as my arm extends I tend to get stronger as well So the resistance matches how my strength Tends to express itself So it's like I get more resistance right when I get stronger, which is kind of cool And it's the opposite of what happens when you have a barbell or a dumbbell Yeah, as you get barbell and a dumbbells you get closer to the end of the movement It's much easier than what it is at the very because the weight stays the same right or with a free weight Because it's working against gravity, you know, if I'm doing a preacher curl It's heavy down here. But when I'm up here, it's not heavy at all because I'm just supported by my elbow Whereas with the resistance band, it's always challenging. Do I think they can replace? weights no, but I think in addition to extremely valuable So I mean especially for priming is one of my favorite things to use them for Well, yeah, and I think part of the case that we make for priming is that Because it's not that you can't prime with a machine or dumbbells or barbells But you're you're more likely to get sore or do damage by doing that And the idea of priming is that basically kind of neurologically wake up a dormant area pump some blood You're not trying to tear a breakdown really and so bands are great for that because they don't do as much damage So I see it's great to compliment for the the variable resistance that you're talking about So it goes good with weight training and then it also makes for a great tool for like on the go Because I mean our little band kit that we have has I mean everything you need in this little pouch Has it to where you can hook it up to a door all the different band resistance And I can get a great little workout in a hotel room real quick. And so when you when it's convenient I think it's nice for that and again Like we talked about other things on the show where here's an area where instead of Programming, you know resistance band workout for a week or two weeks or I just let it happen naturally Naturally, there's going to be a time where I'm on the go or traveling or it's convenient just to do bands And so I intermittently throw that into my training routine Yeah speaking of the prime and I think sometimes it is helpful For people to to be able to connect more when you're actually like, um, you know You have a tool that helps you to kind of fight against the resistance of it instead of creating that muscle contraction yourself It's kind of a hard concept for people a lot of times to be able to squeeze and contract their muscles and And get that kind of blood flow just you know with with their body weight and without any kind of like tool to kind of aid with that So sometimes I feel you know Rubber bands provide a nice amount of resistance when you set it up to Kind of take your joint through full range, but keeping that nice consistent contraction You know to focus on with that too, but in terms of performance It's it's one of those things if you start adding that in and you're really focus like on your power lift numbers or You know kind of getting over that hump of a plateau that you always hit It's such a valuable tool to add to Um kind of get you to to hit those Um, you know those certain points with with a bit more strength That's not going to damage quite as much. Yeah, it's if you consider how little space they take up And the fact that you can literally create resistance in any direction So I can make resistance going down diagonal. I could rotate of course going up If you consider those things they're one of the most versatile tools you could use I'll give you an example of how you would use it for Bodybuilding or body sculpting or whatever you want to call right? Let's say I'm doing a dumbbell fly great exercise Right grace isolation exercise for the chest At the bottom of a dumbbell fly is where I'm feeling most the resistance as I come up towards the top Even if I have 35 pound dumbbells on my hands the resistance against my chest gets much lighter because gravity is not pulling sideways It's pulling down so up here. There's really none How can I use bands To augment that exercise so that I feel lots of resistance at the squeeze? Well, what I could do is I could attach a band around my wrist or the dumbbell and attach them out So now at the bottom I have the full weight of the dumbbells But as I come up now I'm engaging the resistance of the bands and then here at the squeeze I have lots of resistance with the band so Extremely valuable and it's literally limitless in terms of creativity. Here's another way that I use them In fact The first time adam and I worked out together years ago when we first met I did this we were doing a deadlift workout And in order to help lock out something that I did with the bands is I attached them to the bar And I attached them to the cage which is in front of me So when I stand up with the bar the bands are pulling down but also away from me So it encouraged me To pull back and kind of create this lockout, you know the first time I really saw their value Back when I grand opened uh sanatrice at 24 fitness They the cardio area was open first the weights and machines weren't open But we were selling memberships and selling personal training So all my trainers used bands and what was crazy was and I remember we had these meetings and it was like Okay, people may complain make sure you give them a good workout explain the benefits Literally within a week all the members who were training with trainers were Enjoyed working out with bands more than they did with other equipment. They loved it They absolutely loved to the point where when we had a full gym You could see the trainers still incorporated bands in almost every single workout. They feel good. They do I always feel good after I do a band workout Next question is from the real ration In your opinion are squats with dumbbells goblet or front loaded as effective as barbell squats for targeting the quads It could be more effective depending on the person. Yeah. Now. Here's the drawback Right a barbell sitting on your shoulder Especially if you have a good if you can rack it well or support it. Well, you can load. Yeah much heavier It's hard to load something that substantial You know with the kettlebell or even or your dumbbells. So Uh, yeah, I prefer a barbell for that reason mainly for the loading reason But yeah, it is tough to get in the technique and and you have to have really good wrist mobility and wrist and shoulder mobility I mean a lot of people can't do A front squat very well. No, so that we use the goblet squat a lot or at least I did in training clients Um, for that exact reason I mean, I would prefer to do a front loaded squat It'd be ideal because to the your point you can load it So it's not that you're not going to be able to hit it as hard But the truth is a lot of clients just didn't have that shoulder and wrist mobility Or it was extremely uncomfortable for them to do that. So I tended to do a goblet squat More often than not. So for that reason it can be more effective So you give a client that can't do it then of course it's it's great point and speaking to that Uh, I and you showed me this adam I almost I I did lots of goblet squats and and you know front loaded squats with kettlebells and Dumbbells with clients exactly for what you for the reason you said but never almost never for myself I liked the barbell. I like that. I could load it with a lot more weight I wouldn't be able to do this with dumbbells. So I kind of never did them on my own I did a leg leg workout with adam And I don't remember we did like one or two exercises first probably a squat and some split stance something And then what you did is you had us elevate our heels So we stood with our heels elevated So we had a I don't remember what it was but imagine a block on your heel So you're almost up on your toes, but not quite right And then we did we held the dumbbell in this kind of goblet position And really slow went all the way down came up and squeezed the quads Now we're both pretty strong in our legs. We didn't use I think the dumbbell we used was 50 pounds I think which is light, right? That's not even a bar. That's a little bit heavier than a a bear barbell Oh my god the workout I got in my quads from that until this day When I really want to target my quads, especially after I've already done heavy squats I'll do that exact exercise elevated heels Hand on the dumbbell and it's like I mean it hits my quads Harder than almost any other exercise. I love that It's one of my favorite ways to to kind of finish off a leg workout because I'm already taxed from the back loaded squad Or the bul bulgarian squat. So I've already hit them hard enough now. I'm just getting pumped and I love doing that Next question is from jules tealman Can you put barbell squats and barbell deadlifts in the same workout? Or is it better to keep them on separate days? I mean you can is it ideal? No Yeah, both of those exercises load the hips and the lumbar spine So much that if you do them both hard The risk of injury does go up considerably now one thing I would almost never do Is do a heavy deadlift before doing heavy squats. I think that's Dumb I could I could see how that would really That would really increase the risk of injury and the reason why is you're taxing your low back Which is so important that it's completely Strong going into a loaded back squat, right? So that's the main reason why you would never go that direction because people always ask that that you We've said that before in the podcast and like I don't understand. Why not deadlift before squatting? Why can you squat before you deadlift? Yeah, now I I I'll do this or I could do this Kind of lighter barbell squats and then do my heavier, but I would never go heavy heavy And train lots of sets for both. It just loads the lumbar so much That I could see that again the risk of injury is really really high risk versus reward I mean you can do whatever you want Like it's like you see crossfit like you can do you can do whatever you want You just throw some shit on the board and get after it. You do some ring muscle up Yeah, right in between. It doesn't mean it's ideal, you know So like you got to listen to your body like when you're putting that much demand on Stabilizing your spine is specifically you got to be conscious of that like when You know your form degrades or when you're like overworking all the stabilizing muscles Just to keep your shit together. It's probably not a good idea I mean I I never do it, but I also don't think it's that bad unless You're loading heavy. Yeah, if you're if you're doing five or less reps So and you're and you're you're moving at 80 plus type of deal Then I think it's a terrible idea for the risk versus reward to your point But I mean if it's 15 reps or you're doing light or it's a technique day I don't see anything wrong with it because the the the likelihood that you're really going to hurt yourself on 15 reps or 12 reps the load that you have to do in order to do 12 or 15 reps You'll probably feel your form degrading before you actually hurt yourself and can set the bar down Yeah, I mean consider this right the the area that tends to be not always but the area that tends to be the weak link In a squat or a deadlift Is the lower back, right? So if somebody hurts themselves on a squat or a deadlift It's usually the low back definitely the deadlift often in a squat because they both require such strong Stability from your core that because you're using your you gotta understand when you're listening to this your hips Are so powerful. You got these big powerful muscles that drive the hips And you're either arm, you know extended holding a barbell or a barbell on my back The thing that connects all of that is the lumbar spine and the core And if that fatigues to the point where the hips are using more weight Then the lumbar can support now you're starting to run the risk of injury And because they're both so intensive in that area Probably not a good idea. This is why you'll rarely see People load them both heavy in two exercises now You will see barbell squats and a stiff legged deadlift But rarely will you see people do a stiff legged deadlift the way people do conventional deadlifts Where they're doing singles doubles and triples, you know type of stuff. It's typically higher reps focusing on form Technique so in in our programs the only place you'll see them in the same workout is I think pre-phase and maps on a Bollock and it's really not hard workout. It's not like you're doing tons of sets Yeah, it's a technique so I could see it on a technique day, right? So I'm trying to teach a client to get better at squatting and deadlifting I want to increase the frequency of both just for technique reasons, right like for practice reasons. I mean So I don't I I don't have that much of a problem with doing this three times a week if it's the the intensity is low It's low intensity and it's all about getting my client to practice squatting get into practice deadlifting And and that's how we go into each workout. It's thinking like that I'm not worried about their low back being fried because I'm not loading But if I'm loading I think it's a terrible idea to do those two exercises in the same workout Next question is from full view the castle Is lifting barefoot more beneficial in any way or should I just stick to my favorite shoes? Sure? Yeah, it depends. I love it. You know what this reminds me of this reminds me of again as a kid Trying to go help my dad do construction in the summer So it's the only time I'd ever do it during the during the year I was in school and whatever and I remember him telling me because I would work loves Sometimes to handle, you know Heavy things and tiles and concrete and wood He tees you and not and he'd say, you know, I never used them when I was a kid My hands just got really tough now Of course my dad at nine years old was doing this and didn't do with this into the summer So he did this all the time. It's what he did he worked But I'm like, oh cool. I'm gonna get my hands tough So I didn't wear gloves and I immediately shredded my hands To the point where I had to tape them up and wear band-aids and glad and gloves again And my dad's you know, he kind of laughed and he goes, you know, I should have told you you got to go slow You can't just jump into it because you're not ready This is what happens to some people with barefoot training Is that they go, oh if I train barefoot, it'll strengthen my feet and my ankles and But meanwhile they've always trained in supportive shoes They've always had some kind of a heel rise So then they go all the way barefoot all the time and then they wonder why they develop plantar fasciitis Or hip issues or knee issues too hard too fast You are not ready like this takes some time to to get to because If you look at like an anatomy picture of the bottom just the foot forget the ankle and everything else Just the bottom of your foot. It is covered in muscle Those muscles need to be strong and stable enough To support you to do your heavy lifting that you normally do in your supportive shoes I just I wish I did it more. I mean there's definitely It's beneficial to work your way in that direction. I would say definitely like takes a while So just walking around barefoot Getting used to that is the first step But then sort of building upon that But to to be able to to feel your way through and connect to the ground and Stabilize with all those little muscles in the bottom of your feet and also like articulate your toes And and find those those points of of you know, like ground forces So what happens when you get in up into power and the pinnacle of your training is You know how you can distribute, you know that force and And to be able to to create more ground forces It starts through your feet and what your feet are doing are so crucial and essential And so this is stuff that I try to teach athletes all the time And so it is beneficial to to get rid of the shoes So you can really kind of feel your way and feel like the the forefoot the the pad of your foot and you know When you're when you're doing anything athletically, you're never flat foot You're not, you know, your heels aren't on the ground in fact Most positions like out on the field if you're if your heels are on the ground Yeah, because you're not able to To transition you're not able to cut and move and be dynamic and So, you know, these are all considerations to to have but there's definitely You know, there's a progression So you just got to really like slowly gradually Introduce yourself to just walking around a lot more frequently adding frequency to being barefoot Then start to kind of load, you know, basic exercise like lunges like, you know, things where You know, you start adding dumbbells and then you start doing, you know, lateral training Then work your way to the heavy loaded barbell situation So this is close to home for me because this has been my journey the last like five or six years I had a terrible foot strength that terrible ankle mobility. I couldn't break 90 degrees in my squat And my my feet were sleepy as shit and I wanted to get to a place where I addressed and fixed all that it just didn't happen overnight Like when I got to the point where I was working out barefoot, I did a lot of just barefoot walking first And I would start there very few people except people hear us talk about that or they see a video Maybe one of us posts and we're working out barefoot. They're like, oh, I'm gonna start doing that It's like well, what you didn't see was that I just got in the habit of when I come home I would just for now and took my shoes off like when was how many people Walk in their house and just they take their shoes off for the rest of the day. They decided like, oh, I'm home from work I'm not gonna wear shoes the rest of the day. How many people walk barefoot outside. Yeah, and then go outside So it started like that for me where I would just as soon as I was done working and I'm home Shoes off and then I would walk around my yard and be outside and I would just stay With my with my shoes off as much as I can if I I love going to the beach and walking in the sand With no shoes on and so I just started doing that a lot before I even decided to exercise So there's no exercise and then when I even started to exercise With no shoes on it started off with mobility work not loading the barbell back squat It was just me doing ankle mobility and walking doing farmer walks real light stuff and working on posture Stability exercises that was when I was working on that jump to balance stuff And so I was doing a lot of balancing things with barefoot, but not loading a lot of stuff Once I got my ankle mobility in a good place my hip mobility in a good place I had been walking around barefoot. Then I started to Load the barbell and actually squat barefoot like that But that was a progression over, you know two two and a half years I mean you really need to stress that because I remember you you going through this especially in the beginning And there were a couple times you had to take a couple steps back Yeah, because I remember like at one point you're like, oh my god I could squat barefoot all the way down Then you added a little bit of load. Oh gotta back off again because now my hip's bothering me It takes a while and kid consider this what you train is what you get good at So what do I mean by that? So If you look at like um like a boxer look at a boxer who trains with big gloves on They get really good at boxing with gloves on and blocking with gloves and understanding where they are in space You take those gloves off and they lose a little bit of of that, right? So it's like training with a weight belt like you could get good at a weight belt That means you're not going to be as good without a weight belt But if you don't train with a weight belt, that means you're not as good as trained as other people who train With a weight belt So whatever you train is what you start to get good at And if you've always trained and you majority of the time walk with your shoes on and it's been Most of your life start with just taking your shoes on this is going to take years This isn't like oh next month. I'm going to do this. This is literally years and years and years I remember you're saying with your son You know, you have a your your son now is you know, how old is he now? You're two two years old You always have kept the shoes off and I remember the first time he fell was because he had shoes on Yeah, because he was used to walking. He's still he's very clumsy with shoes on It's the funniest thing ever to watch him watch him because now it's I've trained him so much to be barefoot That I can only keep shoes on him for a few minutes and then eventually he'll he'll sit down and he'll He'll pull him off feels weird. I'm sure. Yeah. So oh, yeah, and you can see when he walks around He's not as fast. He's not as stable when he's got shoes on because he's so used to not having shoes on And so I and some of the family I know they've seen that there's like, aren't you worried then? You don't you don't want him to not be able to shoot. I say I much rather him be uncomfortable in shoes than uncomfortable barefoot Yeah, he's got a strong place. He'll get plenty of opportunities. Yeah. Yeah, exactly The shoe thing I'm less worried about it did it threw him off The only the only time he's ever fell was actually the first time that Katrina Put shoes on him and took for a walk and then he fell forward because you've never seen a picture Of a hunter gatherer modern hunter gatherers feet Just from the top It does not look anything like the average person's foot their toes are splayed out Like very strong. They're really looking. Yeah, and our feet are all like toes smashed. I feel like max's are starting to look Like that already he has like really wide flat look at this feeder like this It looks like little hands. Yeah, you can see the way him like soft toes. It's disgusting I'm serious. I hope you're listening Yeah, dude, you can like spread them out and grip things and like like So just don't feed me something with Does she tickle you into the covers? 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