 We're rounding your third and heading for home. I've got a question. What was the question? So what is the last part? What do you call this section? Transfer of training. Transfer of training. So my understanding is that that's extending long. Kind of going out with it. Yes, without exceptions. It really is in your mind. When we say extending long it can seem to have a spatial sense to it, but it's not really spatial. It's just more how they say there's no spot where God is not. That's really the transfer of training is just seeing that coming into an experience of that. So there's no perception that can be kept from the light. Everything can be brought back. And really it's a time since it's being healed. It's a sense that we have believed in the past that time was linear and now we're seeing that it's simultaneous. And so that's taking us into quantum. Quantum physics talks about superposition. Everything is potentially there. And then it's just kind of selected out. We've had some good questions about selective perception, even about the guy that was getting handcuffed, being a selective perception. When we look back, even in relationships, you can think of all these memories, but you can pick selectively some of the better miraculous moments and you can pick some of the darker moments and the ego would want to emphasize the darker ones because it's always wanting to hold on to grievance and retaliation, punishment, vengeance, and trying to hold on to that. But as we transfer the training, we see that only the love is real and nothing else really had any existence or bearing on anything. So you might say a selective remembering. We're actually working on selective remembering and when they say remember the good, we can actually do that. We can use memory in that way. And not the good as opposed to a bad, but just the essence, remembering the essence of things. So if we stay in the present moment, is that like a key thing to stay in the present moment and just be with whatever it is, being the flow of things? Yes, very relaxing to be present. To start to see that that's the most practical experience. And in the course it says the past has gone the future, but imagined these concerns, and now he's turning the past and the future into concerns, are about a defense against present change of focus. And so, yeah, to be fully present is to really keep the focus, to just keep an open mind. Like there's ten characteristics of a teacher of God and the last characteristics, he says perhaps the last to come in is open-mindedness. And that's just that listening and presence. It doesn't matter what is being spoken, there's no interpretation of it, there's no need to this urgency to respond, there's no need to correct, you know. In the end, forgiveness is just seeing the false is false. It sounds so simple, you know, but really that's how simple it is. It's almost passive. It's not like an active thing. It's just this sense of presence, this sense of perspective that's there. And it's so healing. It's a sweet spot. Yeah. Going back to that, what she opened this with last night, to make a mistake, if the script is written, can you really make a mistake? Is it, is it? Or you just call it a mistake, you think it's a mistake, because you could have done this or you could have done that. Just labeling it a mistake when it's not really a mistake is just what happened. That's it. And if you stay in the present, if you stay in the now, then you don't see the mistake, would you? Yes, didn't we? You're talking to me. It's like Rocky Boppa. You're talking to me. No, what I was saying was that that particular, when I look at the upsets in my life that still happen, that tended to be a belief that was resonating, that it's possible to make a mistake, that underneath my upset, which of course the ultimate underneath is the idea of separation and guilt, but it was resonating with me that it's possible to make a mistake. So it was a belief I was needing to look at, apparently, because it kept coming up. And I think that's what I love about Byron Katie's work, is she takes all those universal beliefs for us to look at. How do you, I mentioned this yesterday, you said to bring it up, about how do you look at or how do you handle if a brother asks you to do something outrageous, because if you don't, you'll make it real. And how do you, okay, we got this on the one hand, then we have no people pleasing over here. So if we do these outrageous things for the brother, isn't that trying to please somebody else? I mean, I can talk about this one time on one of the videos I saw, and he said, you do it, unless it's life-threatening or if it's going to cause harm, because if you don't, if you resist it, then you are making it real. It's real to you. It's sort of like, no matter what they ask you to do, you go ahead and do it. You don't really give it any thought. You just, okay, we'll do that instead of doing this. But then most people are like, don't you want to go to the ballet? No, I don't want to go to the ballet, you know, because I don't like the ballet or whatever. Do you go ahead and go to the ballet if you really don't want to go? Well, that's a good question, so I'm glad we can actually record it now for everyone to really go into it. When Jesus says that, you know, if a brother asks you to do something outrageous, do it. It's pretty early on in the text, and then about 100 pages or so later, he does qualify it unless it would bring harm to you or anyone, because a lot of times when the people first read that context without the thing, unless it would bring harm to you or another, they would say things like, well, that means that somebody asked me to rob a bank, which is outrageous. Am I supposed to do it? You know, just to not make the error real. But that would be a case of harming, bringing harm to you or somebody else. You know, that goes right against the Ten Commandments that I'll shout and I'll steal. So this idea of harm starts to come in there where if outrageous would be something more along the lines of if somebody said, here's a pink and purple polka dot shirt and I want you to wear it to church or something like that, outrageous requests are these out of pattern kind of things that don't really fit in with the preference system of someone. And if you have an adamant refusal, it takes away that element of playfulness. There's a playfulness. I find there's a cosmic humor and there's a playfulness. So if somebody challenges me or dares me to do something like dance or wear a certain kind of hat or wear something kind of silly or something like that, I'll just wear that or something even more outrageous just to be playful. And then they have a good laugh with that, but we're not getting into the realm really of anything that would be even construed as harmful in any way. But also the context is it's pretty early in the text and coming pretty early in the text, I would say that as you're unraveling and unwinding from time and space, these things in, we'll say, your earlier times of mind training, these things will come up pretty frequently. And it's a way of loosening from this kind of, I know mind, I know who I am, I know what I'll do, I know what I like, I know what I don't like. These outrageous requests are actually devices that the Spirit can use to say, don't take yourself so seriously. You got to loosen up, you got to lighten up, and don't be so serious with this. Now, as you move along in mind training to deeper aspects, this kind of thing, there's other lessons that are more important, and I'll use an example like in the Bible there came a point where it said that Jesus was tempted by the devil for 40 days, and the devil was promising Jesus all these kind of things. I'll give you this or this, or throw yourself off these stones and have the angels save you or everything. Jesus didn't do it. They were outrageous requests that the devil was making, and he didn't say, okay, I'll do it. I'll do it just to show. He said, don't tempt the Lord thy God. It was pretty direct. There was a time, too, if you remember where they were going along, and I think it was Peter who basically was saying to Jesus, Lord, no, we won't allow it. We won't allow you to go back to Jerusalem, and then Jesus uttered the famous, get thee behind me Satan. It was far from, that could have been considered an outrageous request, too. Like, here you are, you're at the end of your public mission, and they want to kill you. So, no, we won't allow you to go back. He was aware of the Scriptures written. It's all in prophecy, and it was just him tuning into spirit and saying, get thee behind me Satan. Not that he was saying it at Peter, but he basically was like, no, that's not the way it's going to go. There's a destiny that's being fulfilled. The prophecies are being fulfilled, and I am going back to Jerusalem. I've got a donkey to ride, and a big part of the whole story that would have been missing there back to Jerusalem. So, when we talk about no people pleasing and no private thoughts and undoing people pleasing, when you live in the context of community, and you're practicing a Course in Miracles and using the Symbol of Community, there's going to be requests flying left and right, because that's just human nature. Can you do this? Can you turn the temperature up? Turn it down, turn it up, turn it down. A little more spice to the food? Less spice, more spice, less spice. You know, you get a group of human beings living together. It's like marriage. It's like marriage magnified. You're not just married to one person, you've got 25 people. You're in Utah. You're in Utah, but still, maybe not. We've been just thinking, hey, Canada, Utah, Spain, to get 15, 20, 20, 20 people together, you start to realize that a lot of the people pleasing is just this pattern where the ego was made and made the world in the sense it made a personality self and then it made all these other personalities. The personality self has all these preferences and yet it's so shaky that the persona means mask. So you've got the persona or the mask and the mask is shaky because it's not reality. That's one reason it's shaky. It doesn't have any good foundation. Personality, persona, the mask is shaky. So you've got a shaky mask and part of the way that the ego tries to reinforce the shaky mask is acknowledgment. It could be adulation, compliments from others. He talks about being liked and knowing the right people. Having the right people around you, like rubbing up against famous people is supposed to make you feel better or being praised by others. Getting good feedback. We would say these are all good things for stabilizing the personality. Getting good feedback, being praised is still shaky. The mask is covering the Christ. And whether you have a good mask or a bad mask, if you have a praised mask or a scorned mask, a mask is a mask is a mask. It's covering something. When we talk about no-people pleasing, it's really about starting to let your yea be yea, let your nay be nay. Become more intuitive of your past learning instead of your past preference patterns. So a lot of us grew up in families where as a little child there's an aspect of pleasing mom and dad. Why? They feed you. They put clothes on you. They foot the bill. There's like this dynamic like, okay, we don't want to do too much of the rebel gear because it could be dangerous if you push the rebel card too far and too hard, maybe as a teenager or whatever, you could encounter the it's my way or the highway. And that could get pretty threatening in the sense if you feel like you've got to leave home at 14 or 15 and so forth. So this people pleasing mechanism is ingrained in there. And I would say as you get more into the fine tuning of releasing the ego and exposing it, you want all those people pleasing tendencies flushed up. If you've always been pleasing mom and dad and now you're getting into a curriculum that says let the yay be yay, you may be nay, and you want to learn how to decide with God on everything without exception, then any kind of people pleasing patterns are going to have to get flushed up. Now the course was written, you could say more for the general public. It's written as a self study book. It says this course is a beginning and not an ending and even with the workbook henceforth let the Holy Spirit direct all subsequent lessons and so forth. And I would say once you get more into the fine tuning you're beyond those early kind of more for the everyday public and also for more the beginning course student. The curriculum gets much more fine tuned and gets much more subtle and as you get much more subtle you want to be aware anytime you're attempting to please somebody else, anytime you're acting to try to gain approval from an authority figure which is a common way of existing in this world you can only go so far with mom and dad then with teachers that's an authority figure there bosses at work or superiors at work those are authority figures judges, police officers so on and so forth there's a mechanism of pleasing that's tied into survival of the body not of your mind but survival of the body and of the personality self and this personality self is getting washed away so I think it's more of a context of it when people have lived and worked with me for years and years they just become more introspective I think more just really tuning in and feeling it out I know there's some course teachers that have said well you can't really hear the Holy Spirit actually and they will even back it up with quotes and of course very few people can hear the voice for God directly and so on and so forth which is in the manual I was hearing Jesus' voice early on in the Holy Spirit and it saved me a lot of time it wasn't just I love you and I am with you always even until the end of time you forgot your keys go back and get your wallets you need to call so and so you don't have their number in your phone it was very, very, very specific and very helpful and that's why that's the incentive to do all this forgiveness and to clear your mind of all the interference and all the resistance so that you can hear the voice for God and wow does that simplify your life but also as it also simplified my life I still had to be aware of these patterns where I still wanted to be liked by somebody or please somebody in subtle ways and if you've got any of that going on you cannot really be confident to let the Holy Spirit come through you because you're afraid that you'll be judged by what the Holy Spirit is going to say you have to pay the price you could lose a friend if you let the Holy Spirit come through which is not the case at all you're not going to lose anything because you can't it's undoing the belief in loss it's what letting the Holy Spirit speak through you and speak to you is all about so I'll give you the one example from the parable of David one time I went to northern Michigan up near Trevor City and had a friend Thomas and his girlfriend Nava I was with them they wanted me to go to a spiritual community and that Nava was involved with and she said, yeah, there's a man who's dying in the community he's kind of on his deathbed and she said I'd really like us to go there so we went there the man was dying on the couch and it was a Catholic home and his sister had taken him in and she was Catholic and everything and so people had come it was kind of a somber atmosphere a dying man I go there with Nava and Tom I go in there and kind of sit down we go into the room where the man is dying on the couch and then I'm just there in prayer and everything and I'm always in that I'm here only to be truly helpful just to be used in whatever way would be helpful and that was the case when I was just in there in prayer it was very kind of somber with everybody and the Holy Spirit just had a lot to say David would not be speaking up in a Catholic home with a man dying we've just gone into this I had never met the man it would be like a stranger coming into a family home at what seems to be a very private and personal moment the passing of a loved one and I often David would be in prayer but would not actually be doing much speaking at that time David was very shy this is not the kind of situation where there would be a lot of speaking from David I was voted most quiet in my senior class so not going in there trying to rock boats start anything stir anything up just was in prayer and then the Holy Spirit started speaking through me quite a lot and then the sister in the house just kind of moving around in her chair started to seem quite uncomfortable and that would be a time where David would stop speaking in that kind of a setting with the death of a loved one and everything but she was more and more comfortable finally she just spoke up and she said that I'm very uncomfortable here and you and your friends are going to have to leave and at that point the dying man on the couch didn't have much energy left as he was in his last hours slowly raised his fist into the air and said no let him continue I studied A Course in Miracles the man said who was on the deathbed and this is very important to me this is part of the Course that I did not understand and I wished I could have understood and I want to hear this man continue so the sister just quietly at that point sat down and the Holy Spirit continued on for quite a bit there that was just a striking example for me that I had given over my heart my life my mind to the Spirit whatever used me I don't care there were definitely for David there would have been people pleasing mechanisms in there you don't go into a home where someone's dying and the family surrounding them and start talking about everything the Holy Spirit is talking about it would have been embarrassing and it would have been fear for David but that was a striking example of how it got used in a way that the David character would not have thought possible but I was open the mind was open and I was surrendered and that happened many many times that's just one example of where the people pleasing could come in in fact if you just looked at it from that quote that you brought up if a brother asked you to do something outrageous asking me and the friends to leave that outrageous just maybe courtesy or something from the past learning perspective but the Holy Spirit had a whole different perspective on that he could see that this man was really calling calling out very sincerely and that's like the bird's eye view the much bigger picture was calling for that so I think that's a good one when you go into the into the mind training I know Francis has had a lot of experience with this too because she's kind of headed up you headed up the group of a community in Alizena and then the community in Mexico and I'm sure you got some requests from the people who live there some of them might even be called outrageous requests but actually at that point of mind training that you were just in deep prayer I know a few times we talked where you would just say here's what was asked of me and I prayed and I just didn't feel it we never even talked about the passage from the course if somebody asked you an outrageous request do it and there's like for me I feel it's more like an attitude like Jesus is asking not so much as a rule for behaviors especially when we know that the mind is to be lifted off the screen and allow the behaviors and actions just to be allowed wherever it's involuntary so it's not about control or nothing always say yes when there is a request it's more like an attitude to not exclude anything and just to watch whether it's any kind of preference or assumption that's underneath the know whether it's like a strong whether it's out of fear of consequences and eventually the desire is to have the mind so free that it does not live in any kind of fear of consequences and see that everything is exactly the same so yeah if I have received any kind of request it's like more the same would just let me just open my mind to whatever that comes my way and I want to have the same kind of attitude towards every single request and then from that position I will feel into it it's not like I feel I'm obligated to say yes to anyone or I have you know I want to please them to make them happy I know I can't please anyone if I follow the spirit everybody is happy if I don't they're not happy either so I just feel like okay my work is to forgive any kind of conclusion and this contraction feeling but if I have a yes attitude then the behavior really is not my worry or concern I just feel into it moment by moment yeah I think we can give some examples of this because this is a very subtle point this idea of pleasing and outrageous request because this is a very good question we're getting much more into the subtleties there's a part in the workbook of A Course in Miracles it says everything I think and say and do teaches all the universe it's quite an amazing line everything I think and say and do it fits with our quantum perspective remember of having your backpack throwing it out throwing the whole cosmos out and now that same mind it's that powerful to bring the world bring the cosmos with it when it comes so to speak not come and enter into the cosmos but actually bring the cosmos with it it's also so powerful that everything I think and say and do teaches the whole universe so there's another part that Jesus says in the text every decision you make goes in and out of a giant constellation far beyond where it's almost like every single decision you make goes in and out of we'll call it the sunship so your mind is the sunship and every decision you make when you have a desire for a Snickers bar on the back table the whole universe has a desire for a Snickers bar in the back table the whole cosmos because you are the cosmos that's what Krishna Murthy was a great teacher he would say you are the world I am the world the world is me he was just teaching there is no world apart from the mind and consciousness really contradicts the human experience you think you're tinier than an ant and you're actually the whole thing but it doesn't seem that way from the ego's little tiny perspective so for example Francis and I get called to go to China and I didn't even feel it but she didn't feel it and then all of a sudden one day we got this Skype message and a Skype call with our friend Albert and he said that they had a meeting in Beijing and they mentioned in the meetings somebody mentioned that I may be coming to China and some guy just started jumping around in the meeting like a Mexican jumping being he was so excited about me coming over to China you know I hear that story and my heart just goes out look at Francis I guess we're going to China so all it takes is some guy jumping around in the meeting I've never met and I'm like well it would make this guy happy so let's get it what do we need a visa and you know whatever the political climate is in China and whatever listen we're going so we go over there and we went over there a number of times was it like four times or something like that interestingly Francis's mother lives in Beijing so we're over there representing the whole friendship and talk about requests and the request of a mother to see her daughter goes up and out to the universe too and we're there there following us around we're mobbed like the Beatles it's like the Beatles coming over from England for the first time and being on Ed Sullivan's show and we are mobbed there's groupies we are mobbed now the context of this is of course I've been teaching this for a lot of years very deeply China has very deep non-dual traditions you know with Buddhism Taoism it's not like traditional Christianity very dualistic they have very deep non-dual traditions and all of my writings had been translated into Mandarin and it proliferated throughout China so when we land in China we have people traveling thousands of kilometers to spend some time with us to spend a little time with us and then as soon as we go the first time they video what you're doing and it goes all over the web so the second time in we're not sneaking into China this is we are now it's like John and Yoko going over for business so we have to the time went over there wasn't there one time where you and Suzanne kind of they would get up on the platform with me and then as it would get near the end they didn't want to get mobbed or photographs just long long photograph sessions so I would see them scoot out they would be like beating the paparazzi and beating the mob so you have to understand these are the kind of things that we went through but it was fun for me to watch how sometimes your mom would say I want to meet for for dinner or meet you for whatever an hour and everything and sometimes Francis would say the spirit would say yes to her and sometimes no sometimes she would say what you can't meet with your mother but you see it's a bigger context than a meeting between mother and daughter it's for the whole universe and so sometimes Francis would go okay I'll give you 20 minutes can you imagine saying that to your mother who wants to have dinner with you okay 20 minutes you see this is what I'm talking about about letting go of people pleasing because you know you're speaking for the whole universe everything you think and say and do teaches the universe and it was beautiful I would always just enjoy hearing those things because you were very beautiful it was so sweet as well because we lived when we went there we stayed in a hotel about an hour and a half place so she would come so it was a whole trip of two and a half weeks and finally I said I have an hour and a half window if you want to come so she would travel an hour and a half and meet me for an hour and a half and go back for another and a half but before that it was dinner and then cancelled because we had something else and lunch then cancelled because we had something else and finally this time she came and I was in some kind of meeting and I was late, late and late and she was in the hotel lobby she was not happy she was just testing me and David said because we had this bouquet of flowers and David said take these flowers and give it to your mother and I thought okay when I saw her she was so upset and just angry and I gave her a flower and she just melt and now so many years later she was telling me she kept that one flower because that was so rare for us to meet but then we actually went to a cafe near the hotel and she had this a list written on a little notepad that she needs to cover with me and there was no gossip about what my aunt did and who's son did this or it just like go over all the points and then another half finished she went through all the points and we look at each other done? we're done it's really like it was just there was no stickiness or there was no other mother daughter role play why don't you come to see me why this, why this just like covering the point and it's like okay we're done and we don't know when we'll be the next time we'll see each other but at the very end she said can I see David I said wow I don't think so she said I'm your mother she tried to pull the mother card on Francis did it work? no I said you're not special she didn't like that that's an interesting reply I'm your mother you're not special so in one sense there's so much love underneath it but it's very much like even Jesus from the Bible where he's teaching and Mary comes and some of the apostles are stirred up and it starts to murmur through the crowd your mother's here and he's basically he goes in and uses it all just in the presence of the whole universe speaking to the whole universe who is my father, mother sister, brother he that does the will of our father in heaven is my father, mother, sister, brother unconditional love it's just radiating all the time it doesn't take a pause and go oh time out mom's here we interrupt this Holy Spirit broadcast to bring you a visit from mother oh mom how are you doing there how's the kids the spirit doesn't take a time out it's for the whole universe and it's actually undoing those concepts and roles in the mind that God didn't create mothers and God didn't create fathers and sisters and brothers and nephews and niece all these boxes that we have for family God didn't create any of them God doesn't even know about it and we're waking up to God we're coming back to that divine abstraction so it's really those kind of teachings are very strong and I know Peter wouldn't even see those things in the Bible about hate that's a good point that you bring up now because that hate just said now we don't speak about hate but I was in the unity church and that hate means actually not seeing it as yourself so see not your mother or even your child as a real thing as a real connection so that's beautiful you're getting that higher interpretation hate doesn't mean hate in that way and of course your family would say Jesus would never say hate your mother or you'd say well actually he did he did but this interpretation of loosening from the past associations from the people pleasing everything we're talking about I was so happy when I found it you remember that I was in that unity church and I was watching the book and then I saw it and I said look look look here the hate, the real meaning about it and I was so happy about that because when I left home I wrote a big letter and also that first was there in and of course that was not to understand and actually what you're telling about the whole family concept yeah it becomes more and more deeper to understand that it is not our real connection what is now not our real connection and yeah that's deep but it is that will not say it's true it's a deep belief and I have to say the spirit is so gracious like when I am back around Cincinnati the spirit will take me off to occasionally to birthday parties with the family with the sister nieces, nephews and so forth joining with the biological mother and so on and so forth there's so much joy underneath that but it's been so rinsed of these make-believe roles like mother and son for example so thoroughly rinsed that this is a beautiful meaning of perfect equals in pure love and rejoicing unconditional love and the backdrop is whatever it is so the love remains the love is still there but it's been a releasing of all the make-believe roles where all the expectations were a good son does this a good mother does that all those kind of roles that bring in all the shoulds and opts to well you should do this we all know the guilt feeling like you're not fulfilling and you're not a good enough whatever fill in the blank those have to get thoroughly rinsed and it happens that's the reason I ask you for a movie because I want to see that movie yes what you mentioned there it is really you see that woman that her aunt is sick and you see the conversation that they have both in their mind and they accuse each other in their mind because of because I'm your aunt and you have to be here on my when I die definitely that's it so it's fascinating as we go forward because I would bring by all kinds of course and miracles friends and share them with my family biological family and so on and so forth one time I brought this man who was divorced for years and he had changed his name from his given first and last name to he changed his name to love joy divine and so I go out with the biological family to one of these birthday parties and I've got with me I mean I knew his actual name but he's not going by that anymore I love joy divine love first name joy middle and last name so I go in there and the biological family has watched me and everything that's going on with me I'm very transparent so they've watched and watched and had probably their own reactions to what the hell is going on so they're all there at the dinner and then I just it's fun for me I bring him along and I'm going alright I'll bring him so I come and the tables there kids do there birthday cake and everything my biological sister comes up to him and goes up and she shakes his hand and she says hi he says he comes right out he just comes right out to her and he says hi my name is love joy divine to my biological sister and she goes I'm the biological sister this is an actual occurrence or seeming occurrence at a birthday party I'm love joy divine coming from all of his course and miracle or whatever and her going I'm the biological sister maybe she's heard the parables some of the time where I'll talk and instead of saying my sister I will say biological sister just to identify her in the parable just like Joseph Mary her name is Mary Joseph actually Mary Jo it's kind of interesting for me that Jesus's parents it's the name of my sister figure that one so we go there but those kind of things happen frequently until one time I got invited back to the church the church where I was born and raised more of a traditional church but even there the pastor had changed pastors many times but they had this pastor who had had a huge near death experience was on Oprah and wrote a book is pastoring the church I'm thinking this is all my mind look at how this I've thrown this out now in my traditional church I've got somebody who's been on Oprah and had a near death experience I think it's pretty open minded anyway I got invited this traditional church this minister was doing a class on the mystics and the saints and so which is not most traditional churches I have that but not like in a traditional Protestant United Church of Christ church so I'm like okay then I get this invitation first I hear that he's gone to the minister and he said he goes to the mystics class and he says to the minister my son is one of those and we should invite him to come to the class and the minister just went well he's invited to come to the class but one of what what do you mean one of what he said the mystic or a saint the minister was like well okay invite him anyway so I get invited back to the church to come and speak and the Holy Spirit comes pouring through me and the ministry even goes off to visit a friend who has cancer I turn my congregation over to you and there I am in that traditional church with the Holy Spirit just pouring through very very deeply the biological mother is there and the biological sister is crying as it's happening and then the biological father is also there and he's the one who invited me he's got the biggest smile on his face as he's invited me to speak at the church where I was raised and grew up in it's pretty surreal it's where Jesus meets the present it's always kind of an interesting moment so anyway I spoke and spoke and spoke and it went deeper and deeper and deeper God not creating the world that goes against Genesis and the whole thing right in the church and finally at one point there's silence for some time and then an elderly woman speaks up and says who is speaking to us now and I was just it was just pure I am present so I felt to put no particular name to it so I didn't and then maybe 20 seconds or whatever go by and then the biological father of David speaks up in front of his congregation and says Jesus is speaking to us now and it was kind of almost like who do you say that I am kind of an experience from the Bible because you have to understand the context you know the mother the sister the father they're all there I'm there in this traditional church and it's coming through and that was the question that got raised by somebody there and it just had when he said you know Jesus is speaking to us now there's just a little voice in my mind was like that's it that's the end of the world I've come and I've actually seen the end of the world because you can just imagine for yourself what it would be like of your biological parents saying such a thing in the home in the church in your own traditional church that was very surreal for me but it was one of those experiences again that would not be something that David would have done it's just very much just giving it over to the spirit I think of all the people pleasing big undoing wouldn't it be it was it's just the end of the world it felt like I was witnessing the end of the world not the apocalypse it was like the retranslation like whoa is that that's a little transfer of truth that was transferred that seemed that way so in our lives we do get a lot of practice of opportunities so I just want to let everybody know it's five o'clock and we're probably going to wrap up here in about 10 or 15 minutes but I want to get this question in if I may on page 210 of the book you say at some point you may be guided to participate more fully in a spiritual community and this form will be assembled to you of open communication and the safety and the stability to allow error to surface and be released and you know the students that are here today and others that couldn't make it today have really resonated with you and with Francis and we are wanting to be more serious about being a spiritual community so I just wondered if you might take a moment and talk about your ideas about a spiritual community and what that means for you it's interesting because that topic did come up when we talked in the sense that just the word community can bring up all kind of connotations and from my state of mind right now the whole universe is my community I just feel that everything feels it's part of the community because I can never draw a line between inside and outside of a community that's just been my experience it's a state of mind and yet also we're always trying to be very practical so we do know that the mind is unwinding from these concepts and beliefs just like when you come to this like day in evening and day workshop it's just an experience to go through and sometimes it seems like it's a little bit of stepping out of the norm stepping out of the daily life that you're accustomed to and in that way spiritual community is kind of a symbol that the spirit can use not as an end point but as just a symbol along the way of a passage and then you can at a lot of experience with it because that's what she's come through that's been her pathway that's my pathway friends there were telling us in China there are a lot of Buddhist temples and for modern day people they actually now a lot of people choose to spend maybe a couple of months or every year to just leave their lives step out of their lives to live in the temple for a period of time just to see things from a different perspective but their practice is more of a practice of meditation maybe I don't really know that much because I have never participated in a Buddhist way of living but in our centers for example there are actually a lot of similarity where people choose to come for a period of time and just to step out of the way that where their mind was at and they want to just maybe have a time of immersion where there is no distraction that the mind have to think about this and think about that at the same time just allow a period of time just to fully step in and also have a group of people who are sharing the same purpose and to be able to allow whatever that's hidden there to come up I believe it's chapter 14 when Jesus talks about in a course talks about the light of communication he says it's all about not hiding anything because in the hiding fear becomes real and we don't even know we're hiding anything that is projected out it's because it's unconscious unconscious means we don't know that is even existing in our mind that's why we see it outside but all this process is to reverse it so that anything that we perceive outside and we have no clue that is actually existing in our own mind can be gradually allowed to come up and then in the light when it's allowed it will dissolve it will be seen in nature of illusion illusory nature so I guess in the community that's a very safe environment where people just feel safe to allow anything that's hidden they probably don't even know it's there and in that context there is a trust an openness and allowance to allow everything to come up and as the course we're actually a walking up path not so much of meditation full time but more active engaged way of undoing by participating in relationships and different things tasks but with the single purpose with the transfer of the purpose and that's what in my experience just been really speed up or intensified in the community we're in communication all the time we want to have this honest communication not hiding anything between anyone and that in itself is threatening to the ego if you just talk about it if you don't hide anything and to share and also to engage in relationships in collaborative collaborative relationships in terms of working on projects together in teams together and all of that is very easily held up front with everybody and it's like everybody serving as a reminder with each other and a safe container just bring it up bring it up there is no mistake nothing means anything you have issues coming up doesn't mean anything about anything just allow this there's a full allowance and that has been if anything that is my path because I didn't do anything else except just doing this in the community full time and first just really I guess immersed in the sharing of allowing things to come up and private thoughts and practice no people pleasing and gradually also just tuning into the guidance and gradually open up the spirit speak through me and to tuning into the guidance and seemingly lead other people but it's just really a complete watch through of all kinds of judgments and conclusions so I think like most of us most of us were raised more in like nuclear families where we all we were around is we heard goals and ambitions for the future and whatever getting married and having children raising a family even though I lived through the same period of time as you in the 60s and there was a lot of open minded ideas floating around still I had no aspirations about living in a spiritual community when I grew up I would have said what is that that's weird man a spiritual community church called the tower you've got to be kidding me but and she was raised in Beijing and I was raised in Cincinnati Ohio and if you went around and talked to our seeming community members none of them ever had any ideas about this this is the last thing any of us would have imagined we couldn't even have conjured it up but again since it's all quantum we have conjured it up with the power of the mind we give ourselves to one purpose it's the purpose that unites us and I think just among your group here you go out to dinner together and you talk about idle thoughts IDLE thoughts when you're sharing and you have the same purpose and you're sharing you start to feel like there's a helpfulness whether it's you belong to a unity church or to a course group or whatever where there's like-minded people and you can talk about things and the mirroring is going on and you can talk about the perspective of things and really teach and learn a lot in that context versus being out in public and going to a public at Jaguars game or something you know still a good mind-watching opportunity but not quite the depth of perspective so basically it's come about where people have come but there's no specific form like we've had different communities around the world I had a little peace house that started off in 1996 and I would kind of launch out for travels come back to my quiet little it looks like a little gingerbread cottage built in 1847 a place of prayer, meditation it was like a sanctuary go out, shine, shine, shine come back, rest then as the years went on we had more high tech stuff go out, shine, shine, share record, audios come back, upload them to the internet so everyone can hear what's going on be very transparent with it and then when I would go to Europe they'd say I'll come here and talk there's a group of us that really feel a resonance with what you're talking about we'd like to have a little peace house or sometimes it would take their house and call it a peace house now it goes by different names depending on the cultures down in Mexico it's La Casa de Malagras you know, the House of Miracles and some of the peace houses were more loose like they were just kind of mentally we're lined up with you we're just going to come together and other times we've had communities where we just have these two guidelines no people pleasing and no private thoughts so it's not like a convent or a traditional monastery poverty, chastity, obedience no people pleasing no private thoughts gets people opening up and letting that unconscious stuff up in a safe way and it's the form like we were saying with Peter and Jane Marie have gone they're just out practicing their divine providence practicing following spirit traveling is guided with the card there's different ones, Chris and Val went out a bit and they're back now for a period of time different ones go out in a very loose way we don't have a really tight prescribed way of this is the way that needs to be done that's kind of where we're at with the whole thing you had like some groups of people watching you though when you were streaming the other night from Utah will you be doing any more of that or not because I thought it was neat some course groups actually were watching that streaming together well that I think Francis will have her new show that will use that same technology out of the blue comes Francis Zoo will be coming soon and then yeah that would be nice right here she comes onto the seven the blue flowing cape here I come to save the cosmos you can have some fun with it actually that could be coming and that was just something we just felt to do a live stream and then who was on there there was Mexico we had a group from Mexico and there was another group in a different part we were in the studio there was a different part in Camus that was there but we've done these kind of things a little bit on and off but it just comes to us very spontaneously that eventually when we were in China I know they were wanting us to do some live streaming over there that never came to pass but now with technology the way it is like with Google Hangout for example just the way it is it's quite amazing it's not that difficult to set something up like that and even when we talked at the beginning we were communicating about things the last time I was here you were saying well maybe we could do like a little thing but the end of May I think was quite busy for me so we couldn't really arrange it and I might have even had a little travel or something but it just shows you with community you just come together and you kind of feel out and be led by the spirit and stay open to all possibilities I think it's amazing the different ways that are available nowadays amazing? it's miraculous Francis it could be OBFX station OBFX out of the blue Francis are you going to have sponsors or do you have like Miracle Whip? let's take a sandwich break here and bring out the Miracle Whip no bread needed and now a word from our sponsors Miracle Whip we just have fun with it yeah that's good too just have fun I think that's the thing there's so much laughter and joy and fun and the spirit is so playful it's just kind of fun to see what will pop out for people who are just we were talking the other day and the spirit came through me and it was so playful and Sarah was drinking a cup of water and just had a squawk in her mouth a whole thing of water and something just so funny came out and she just just like a whale she would water all over but it was just joy and laughter that we have and that's the main essence of this whole thing is to again keep it light see there's nothing wrong with being light hearted you can fully embrace it he won't get you for that that's how you're going to pay for being so light hearted well thank you all so much for having us here