 Radio is typified by a radio station called WEI. Welcome everybody watching us live And WEI is Known for at times crass commentary that has not played well in The oh everybody's always listening and and things can kind of blow up and explode And it has certainly begun to poison some of the well with their corporate Partnerships with the Patriots and the Red Sox and stuff got you got you so now tomorrow. They will be suspending All programming from six in the morning to six at night to have an all-hands Sensitivity training so when you say suspending all programming is it gonna go off the air? I think it's probably just gonna be best of so I would guess I don't think that they're just gonna do like a test pattern or anything But like well, that's what I was wondering all live live Programming will be suspended. So Everybody can nobody can have an excuse of oh, I didn't see that at that because I was on the air Interesting. Oh, I've heard of WEI. I've heard the tales the tales told Uh, yeah, they were probably most recently in the news because one of the Hosts called Tom Brady's Kid an annoying little I don't even know if I want to say the word. It's not bad. It's just this is mean. Yeah Yeah, yeah, he was he said some not not nice things. Yeah, he was yeah annoying little blank and Tom Brady who is does like they they call it call-in guests. It's like oh, they do their own show But really they just call in for five minutes or whatever Tom Brady said he was re-evaluating whether or not he wanted to do it. So Sensitivity training even hits WEE I WEE I Just hard to say it is. Yeah, it sounds like some web standard, you know, it does. Yeah And said it's just where race that standard is approved by the WEE I will be able to implement that in devices Facebook's messenger kids Meeting all the WEE I stand is approved by the WEE I Yeah Oh Fred says that the EE I stands for electric Edison ink. Oh Interesting wonder if that's I mean Like incorporated I guess And slowly Before I mess up and embarrass myself we say it pay TM, right? Yeah Paytm pay TM pay TM Paytm Manning All right, you guys ready? Yeah Sarah would you do us the honors of opening the show? I will I'll do that. Thank you three who? Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot-com slash support This is our daily attempt to help you make sense of the tech news for Thursday, February 15th 2018 From DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from an undisclosed Arabian be in Manhattan I'm Sarah Lane and from Oakland, California I'm Justin Robert young from an undisclosed location in the Los Angeles metropolitan area our producer Roger Chang is here I'm next to Burbank. Hello I tried to think of something really clever on the fly and I just didn't have anything So I made it sound like I was in some secretive location, but it's just it from New York City I mean someone else's home. That's for sure. You sure are. That's the modern world. We live in Let's start with a few tech things you should know Intel is opening up its bug bounty program to the public and promising up to $250,000 for new side channel vulnerabilities General vulnerabilities can now get up to $100,000 previously Intel's bug bounty program was invite only make it rain Intel Samsung's updated notebook nine laptops will go on sale February 18th They have Intel's eighth gen processors and up to 16 gigs of RAM along with a 75 watt hexa cell batteries The 13 inch notebook nine pen starts at $1,399 a version without the stylus starts at $1,199 and the 15 inch notebook nine starts at $1,299 the budget level notebook seven spin How jaunty starts at $899 and 99 cents Apparently they're very nice little laptops Scientists at Stanford University have developed a wake-up receiver that can power on a device from sleep in response to Ultrasonic signals, so the sensor is smaller than one that would need to use radio signals and Best part is it operates at extremely low power as little as a nanowatt system could be used in smart devices and sensors for internet of things Motherboard reports that FCC inspector general has opened an investigation into whether FCC chairman Adjit Pai acted inappropriately in relation to changing media consolidation Sinclair media was in the process of acquiring Tribune media at the time of the rule change The New York Times reports this investigation is looking at quote whether there had been coordination with the company All right. Let's talk a little more about iOS Crashing because you sent it a text message this story sounds familiar Justin indeed it does Tom The Verge has confirmed a report that Italy's mobile world blog that iOS is iOS 11 springboard interface crashes when it receives a particular Indian language Tagalog character That's how you say Tell goo. Tell goo. It's one of the Indian languages Messages will no longer be able to open afterwards The Verge discovers that the same problem happens in other apps like WhatsApp and Gmail and in messenger for Mac OS as well The bug does not exist in the upcoming iOS 11.3 Update in the meantime the only fix is to delete the message with the offending character Either by accessing the service or in some other way having your friends send you more texts Well, well, that's a great workaround Yeah, I mean, it's fixed They're just not going to push out the fix until 11.3 But boy is it annoying if this happens to you and it's it's actually worse than than the one that that Caused your what was the character that disappeared if you got that text message I into a question mark and then a weird emoji This one will lock up your app and and granted if it's Gmail You just go to the web login to Gmail delete the message you should be fine Getting it out of iOS messenger though seems like it would be a little more of a trick Yeah, I mean you did you delete the message or is the problem that like if it's connected to an iCloud accounts somehow No, if you to delete the message you have to open the messenger app But the messenger app can't open because it's got the character in it If you go to Mac OS You have to find another place to open up messages delete that and then try to read there is no other place So basically with iOS messages, you have to have people send you messages to get it down off the main screen So that it doesn't show up and doesn't crash the app and then somehow get in there and delete it everybody text me Don't you see there's always a DIY solution Just everyone text me get it off the screen more friends Moving on wire cutter and pocket link both have post up discussing Apple's home pod Leaving a white ring on oil or wax treated wooden furniture if it's sitting on top of it in as little as 20 minute 20 minutes all it takes coming on its own after a couple of days But depending on your surface that might not be good enough for you Apple says the marks can be caused by oils Diffusing between the silicone base and the tables surface Tom's guide notes that the Sonos one can leave a similar ring Funny I went, you know immediately. I'm like looked under my sonos once one of one is on a like a glass table So there's nothing to it. The other one is on a wooden Kind of bench and I don't see any rings, but yeah, I mean you don't want some big fancy expensive speaker Hurt in your furniture So the idea here is that because of the silicon used in it and the fact that it is vibrating to create the rich Resonant sound that is filling your house or apartment that that is what's leaving the ring, right? Like this isn't a decomposing or leaking Thing this is at least Apple's Explanation right Apple's saying the that if you have oil or waxed Treated wood that's only on that that's why it doesn't happen at the Apple store because they don't have that kind of wood table You have an oil or wax treated wood table that the silicone and the oil will start to kind of Diffuse and some of the silicone will come out some of the oil from the silicone and will mix And that will leave the white ring and then it should just kind of go away by Natural erosion I guess Over the course of a couple of days when you move it so apples apples mitigation here is don't put it on that table You're holding it wrong all over again. You're setting it on the wrong It's like if it were if I had some you know, I don't know like a family heirloomers, you know some table where it's like Oh my gosh, the speaker is running my table. Of course, you're gonna be upset about it But this is also like really easy to solve. Yeah, no, this is only because this is Apple is this a thing, right? Of course and granted, you know Apple's response is very apply to be like don't put it there But that's a pretty good day Like you buy things that are made of silicone and you put them on that anything made of silicone and put it on that table It's gonna mark it. So you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't normally think that made the silicone thing Right apples diffused oil is not faulty in some way. Yeah look For Apple HomePod coasters coming to an Apple store near you. Yeah, they're so elegant. We think you're really gonna love them Software engineer Gabriel Lewis noticed he was getting notifications about Facebook posts from friends as text messages To a number he had only ever given to Facebook in order to enable two-factor authentication Using text messaging two-factor. So when he replied stop to those messages It auto posted the response stop to his Facebook profile and that insult injury didn't stop the messages Other users have described similar behavior. Facebook told the Verge. It is looking into the issue And reminded people like hey, you don't have to use text messaging You can also use authenticator apps like Authe or Google authenticator, but it still isn't clear Facebook Meant this to happen or if it's a bug they haven't said I Saw when I saw the screenshots because he uh, you know This whole story had had gone viral all over the place because it was so funny You know, he's sort of like why is you know, Facebook's like text message me This is horrible. And then you you see a screenshot of his wall And it's just like it's as if he's just gone crazy and opposed to like ah, stop. Please stop Don't text me As post as like stand alone post on his profile like a madman. He doesn't realize they're being posted at that point That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he did. I mean he did later on but I don't really understand What like what wires got crossed here to auto post Anything even if there was a conversation going on back and forth I'm assuming there is a feature on Facebook that allows you to post something in your profile by text message Yeah, and there's a database error that Took that number for two-factor authentication and replicated over into that feature set look There's only two ways this ends It's user error or it's a bug and either there's an element of this experiment that we are not aware that makes It more explainable that within Facebook's rules. It's posting or it's an error on Facebook's part They need to fix it. They need to apologize for it. It's an error on Facebook's part MIT researchers. Oh, what what great folks they've developed a neural network chip that can run three to seven times faster than current chips And reduce power consumption by at least 94% the chip uses voltage to handle certain values called weights that normally need to be retrieved from memory This makes the chip far more efficient and could be more practical to run neural networks on consumer devices like phones or even household Appliances without it having to ping a server, right Tom. Yeah, so that's the the real thing here that you need to understand is Hey, instead of Siri having to connect to the cloud or instead of Amazon saying well We can't really customize the words because you know, it's all has to happen in the cloud You can't keep things on the devices. You could have it all happening on the device It would be more secure. You would feel less weird about like all the stuff I'm saying is being transmitted somewhere to a server. It could stay on the device that would be better But I have hubris Justin Sarah really I think I can try to explain Why this works and I'm going to do this accepted Tom I'm going to do this just so people who understand neural networks have an opportunity to email us and tell me where I get it wrong but if I get it if I understand this right the way the neural network works is A bunch of nodes send data into a node and then the node takes a waiting amount and Adds it to each piece of data based on how important it is and then it sends That data with the weight added or multiplied up to the next series of nodes. Maybe 16 different nodes, right? And so each time it calculates that it has to go get the weight has to calculate it store it and then send it Then it moves on to the next one what these MAT guys did is said well first of all, let's just have two Waiting numbers one and negative one that'll simplify things turns out. It only makes it one to two percent less accurate So it's virtually the same then they said let's use the voltage To hold the weight number so that we can actually Just add all the voltage to figure out the weight And we can send all 16 of these at once instead of having to go one by one by one by one as it sends it from one node to the other Thus speeding up the performance It almost sounds like you're talking about like how torrentine was described to me at the beginning Well, it's actually how the brain works. They're trying to get this as close to how neurons work. Yeah Well, here's all I know if it gets us closer to a Device version of the greatest neural network on the internet the would you rather bot W yr underscore bot on Twitter if I could just have a button that every three hours gave me Hilarious would you rather's and this is getting us closer to that then Kings to you MIT researchers in bringing the future closer to us I have a feeling it would be able to be able to make that happen in your pocket I how about sew it into my clothes? Yeah, only have that delighting me at all times. I would be thrilled Excellent any word on on I don't know. I mean, what's the next step for the research team here? Yeah, they just got to make it practical make it make it make it work outside the lab. All right Just do that MIT researchers mailed it Indian payment service. Paytm has a physical retail store version of its Paytm mail shopping site in New Delhi Co-branded with red tape shoes Shoppers can pay in store with the Paytm mail app And if an item is out of stock at same-day delivery stores can also handle returns of items stored online Paytm mail expects to add the feature to 50 red tap shoe stores and open 400 such stores centered around consumer goods and fashion within the next year It's Paytm mall like a mall like a shopping mall Not mail. Oh, sorry. I called it mail twice That's okay. I just want to make sure that that people know that but It's really an interesting Indication that all of these online stores and they're actually stealing this playbook from Ali Baba Ali Baba has been doing this in China partnering up with retail locations are Are saying, you know, what's really the next big step in online shopping shopping in person? Well, I mean, but this was kind of always Destined to happen and and I don't know if if the real estate situation in India is similar to how it is here in America But as businesses and business models revolving are only around physical retail and higher Traffic and price real estate kind of crumble. It makes sense as these gigantic e-retailers say well Okay, how can we open up new ways to sell things to to customers that they find smart ways to do it and probably with a Smaller footprint and probably with without the same kind of expansion strategy, but this is where we're going You can't we're not just going to demolish these strip malls and malls and buildings like we're gonna find different ways to use them Um, I love this idea. Hey, I'm also one of these weird people who just I really want to physically Buy something and have that sort of impulse purchase rush of you know, walking on Yeah, just walking out of the store with it for sure But it's like Amazon's great because you get things shipped to you But it's also, you know, everything's there somewhere somewhere. Amazon, you know is selling something that I want some of that stuff I don't need to look at or touch or try on but some of that I do and You know, if there was yeah, I've got like a credit at Amazon It's been sitting there for years and I keep wanting to buy like a little kitchen islander, you know Something that Amazon has and it's like, yeah, I just can't tell if it's janky You know with a couple little photos. So this whole idea and I mean look at Apple stores It's like physical stores have their place. Yeah, for sure And I like I love this idea of them saying oh you want that in red We don't have that in stock or we don't have your size But we can get it to you by the end of the day because we are hooked up to this big patreon mall back in Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines at dailytechheadlines.com You could also get it as an Amazon echo Flash briefing on the Google home on the anchor app and as a podcast like I said at dailytechheadlines.com So Twitter said that what a lot of people thought was maybe a special event not a vet but a specialized instance of Partnering with a local television broadcast is actually something they want to do on a regular basis The feature was tested during coverage of the school shooting in Florida here in the US on Wednesday What Twitter did was put up a live stream from the local television station alongside Your Twitter stream and if you clicked through to it you actually could get in some cases a page With relevant tweets that were going along with what you were seeing from the live coverage GM Kavan bake pour former CEO of Periscope by the way now GM at Twitter said we're continuing to work on new ways We can surface credible content and relevant information to help people stay informed by pairing live video with the conversation on Twitter There's no faster way to see what's happening in the world And I think that they are absolutely right here This is how I watched the vast majority of what unfolded yesterday was of tremendous interest to me as it is From where I am from I have family and friends that were involved some taught at at the school and That I wanted to keep a lot of keep in touch with I Didn't realize that this was because Channel 7 which is the Fox affiliate based out of Miami had made a deal I thought it was just WSVN Using Periscope as a platform to pump out their signal it makes sense that they did that where I Get a little twingey is the idea that they want to not just have this be The right information at the right time and getting a local source into your face as fast as possible but rather to have a landing page where you're curating tweets algorithmically because man as a Twitter user and as somebody who has covered a tragedy before professionally There is just so much misinformation that can very often lead to more harm than good in the midst of something that is Unfolding and it's something that even watching WSVN on Twitter yesterday They had to make sure That they kept on the right side of it when you're putting live mics in in in in frightened Traumatized parents and children's faces And you're also trying to walk the journalistic line of like okay We can't share the name of the prime suspect yet until it's officially mentioned by police But people in this parking lot in Walmart are are saying their name You know because they're traumatized and they don't know what the rules of journalism ethics are then that's one thing the idea that now you are going to algorithmically keep Every little piece of information from it misinformation that might come across that feed is a Tremendous tremendous problem to solve not to say that they can't I don't think this is quite hashtag hell portal hashtag portal to hell But I do think that this is a Problem that is very difficult and I would have real questions on whether or not that's worth solving compared to Let's just get people who understand these situations in the face of people as fast as possible Yeah, there's something about you know, it's interesting that Kavon Baker had the quote to Buzzfeed because as you mentioned Tom He's his periscope guy and I was thinking about periscope the other day like is anybody periscoping anymore? And I know that they are but there's so there was so much You know the implication when that and and similar tools like me or cat rolled out was like Oh, you know everything's just gonna be live You know now it's just a matter of like organizing all this information we have and I don't think Twitter really Totally understands what to do with that yet That what you're describing Justin I think seems to me is Twitter saying okay, you know, we've got these tools like how do we actually just like bundle them into the Twitter experience better but by organizing it it's so kind of Intentionally I think that it's going to be so much easier for someone to be like How can you you know be spreading this bad information the way that you're doing and so purposely well? Yeah, I mean the idea is I think what Twitter's trying to say is we're gonna have a live video stream of what's actually happening from a Responsible journalistic agency so that if somebody's saying something in the Twitter stream It will be easy to see that they're making it up or they're wrong There's a there's a lot of things going on here, you know one is people have decided That Twitter is easily gamed. It certainly is gameable. I don't know how easy it is to game But that's one concern another concern is the word algorithm used to mean like this is a pretty Agnostic way of choosing things and it's better at choosing things because it doesn't have bias That's not what people mean when they say algorithm anymore algorithm is suddenly taken on this meaning of a biased faulty thing That can be manipulated by nefarious sources, right? And so as soon as Twitter says well, we'll use an algorithm to put up the tweets So it's only relevant tweets people jump to the conclusion like oh, so it'll be gamed and full of misinformation. That's not necessarily true But that is also a concern for people now So I I if Twitter a Twitter exists and and you can have a problem with that But you don't have more of a problem with it today than you did yesterday Television news exists. You don't have a problem with that anymore than you did yesterday Putting them together isn't necessarily gonna make the problem worse. I don't think No, it just is very high risk and and there are few places in our modern world Where you are at more of you're at you are more exposed To have harmful information go out at the exact wrong time. You're saying it's the multiplier effect, right? Let's talk about Boston Marathon Boston Marathon Incorrect people were identified on reddit and that became a problem They were not identified in most cases on TV But that was a separate Situation and in one case CNN did show some misinformation that it had to retract later You're saying if you bring those two together on one page That makes the problem is not specifically a Twitter problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is a problem with covering Unfolding tragedies when when witnesses are simultaneously at their most accurate and at their least accurate That they've seen the thing that you need to talk to them about and they are traumatized and might not remember everything Exactly how it happened until you talk to enough people and law enforcement corroborates it I have long said on this show that I believe that part of Twitter's destiny is in video and is in the idea that all these Things trending topics are so often video products It is mind-blowing to me that we don't have a simple way that I can pay Twitter to just click through and watch these Things with the people that I am already talking About them with on this platform and I think that this is a way of getting to that granted in an emergency situation So this isn't like a the business model per se, but also man, I Just know how white knuckle it is for any journalist for law enforcement to get these things right in the moment To have the second level filter on that get it right and be broadcasted on the stage that Twitter is It just seems like something that will go it's not if it's when and it won't be because they invented it It will be because they broadcasted it All right, well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and does a great job You can submit stories of mode out of a daily tech news show not reddit.com and of course our Facebook group Facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show examples of people doing it right. I like to think Also, we get a lot of emails Sarah. We do and we got a couple from Ross Who's writing from Nottingham in the UK first one was in reference to Scott our show yesterday Scott was saying I love, you know The the password authenticators, but then I'm worried if I lose my phone that I'm screwed out of all of my accounts Ross says Scott shouldn't be worried about losing his phone because he can set up last-pass authenticator This backs up the TFA token store to your last-pass account So if you lose your phone you just restore your backup also a lot of TF phase that I've Set up recently set up or give as can be used in the same purpose Just keep these on paper at home or in an offline key pass file Yeah, okay, so off he does this too a lot of people don't want them to have your token Maybe you trust off the your last pass just fine. I mean a lot if you're using last-pass you trust him with all your passwords But having that TFA token stored somewhere else reduces its security. So a lot of people aren't comfortable with that However, yeah keeping them offline in a key pass file or on paper that that is a great That is a great mitigation factor to this and that that definitely is something that I think everybody can feel safe about Ross also said regarding Chrome's new ad blocking It's not the irritation of ads that drives him to use an ad blocker anymore He says well, this used to be the case I now use one to stop me being tracked. I don't want Google or any other advertising company to know anything about me I don't want to personalize that experience. You can target me based on location. That's it as soon as ads stop tracking me I'll turn off my ad blocker until then it stays If that is in case in fact the case you should use privacy badger privacy badger is not an ad blocker It will have the effect of blocking ads sometimes because it blocks tracking It's specifically only blocks tracking across websites So if it notices that a an entity is tracking you on multiple sites It blocks it and allows you to give permission to be tracked if you so desire And in the end sometimes that will block ads But it won't block ads if they're not doing that or if you give permission to them So that's that's what I'd say to Ross is like great You should you should switch to privacy badger because it does only what you want it to do. Yeah The ad blocker the old ad blocker That certain News publications will just be like you have an ad blocker on you can't read this, you know turn it off or Beat it We've noticed you're using an ad blocker and I'm like Shut the window and then I just continue on so it's like there are different ways to be passive aggressive on the publisher side of this That's why Speaking of not being passive aggressive the first person that comes to mind is Justin Robert young because you say what you mean and you mean what you say Yeah, I'm just aggressive Well, I'll tell you what folks I'm gonna aggressively push my live show on March 1st if you are in The San Francisco Bay Area then come on out Thursday March 1st 7 p.m. At the piano fight theater the lovely illustrious piano fight theater We are doing the American sex scandals bracket some of the most crazy over-the-top Ridiculous sex scandals of all time We're going to put into a bracket and we will all decide who will be number one a real talk DTNS listeners because I feel I can be honest with you The initial ticket sales on this have been really good And we have a couple weeks until the show so much so that the venue Wants to move us into a bigger room and I'm hesitant to do it unless we kind of hit a certain benchmark We're very close, but if you are interested in going and you were thinking Maybe it'll be a game time decision a little bit closer to March 1st We're not even halfway through February Justin get off my tail Do me a favor try to figure it out if you can buy a ticket Please do Because it would help me a lot in figuring out whether or not we're going to move this to a bigger place If you want a quicker way to find it just go to bit.ly Slash Sf sex show. 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We'll be back with Allison Sheridan and Len Peralta talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants.com Good show good show good show old chap Good show patrons Good shoes good shoes Roger. What is the perfect title for this episode? The perfect title for this episode and the perfect title for this episode in the meantime. Hey Justin Yo, what does it mean that this is just an article in TechCrunch? I'm reading right now. What does it mean that twitch has launched always-on chat rooms for channels? You can chat when it's not broadcasting Okay, I didn't realize that chat was off It isn't I think it might be Okay, no, no, no, this is this is what I think well we wait for him to answer that question right periscope in the live events Yeah periscope into really periscope like periscope up Twitter live news of the mists of the misinformation age No waiting at MIT Pie face drama It's a horrible headline Sarah starting now twitch channel owners have the option to create rooms for a specific group of users Like their channel subscribers moderators follows are others with shared interests like spoilers. It's just it's like as chatting is black or yeah Effectively they are creating web versions of what has kind of been a culture that's been created on discord and slack But there already are kind of these a threaded specific sort of rooms. This is a web Way of making I see I would also not be shocked If they and this is a guess I do not know anything about this I would not be shocked if they then wanted to fold that into Their twitch app which has taken a lot of the functionality of discord from the curse acquisition that they made always on should not be in that headline Yeah, that's Apple has character issues, but don't we all It's pretty good Apple's character issues You're tabling it wrong or perhaps character flaw that might Because flaw because the iOS flaw Pay now or pay to him later Yeah, you just pay to you pay to you have is Just did a variation Fred's title and the apple has character flaws, but don't we all yeah Yeah, I like that perfect See what what kind of magic we can create when we put our heads together But still like you know Speaking of speaking of heads. I realize I didn't put my headphones on but nobody complained about Echo either no no there wasn't an echo problem. You got a few of those those old tech hiccups Yeah, my bad Which is funny too because it's like tested everything even pre-show was like Everything seemed great and then it starts to It all starts to come crashing down on me guys Stupid hangouts Stupid internet Stupid tech So sick of it. No, um, you know what I am not sick of though I wish I could give you guys a tour. I guess I kind of could But they have actually no because it's that there's like family photography in here, but Really left their photos in there. That's kind of weird. Well, you know what it is. So There were two of us were on one flight and then two Others were on a separate one and they beat us here So I actually didn't meet the host my friends did because they actually got in earlier than we did And I guess he told them. Yeah, you know, this is my family's home and you know Good it's like a four-better like it's big. It's well, I mean for New York it's quite large and You know, it's just too much house for us And so, you know, it's just like this is how we kind of like pay the bills and you know get some money But I think at one point it was the family home. So, yeah, there's like wedding photos and It's baby photos. Like I don't know who any of those people are but I don't think that it's like stock photography. I think it's actually the family Well, that's what I was wondering though. Is it is it the family or is it stuff they bought at? the No, I've been to those places in Greenwich Village where they're selling people's family photos You could absolutely buy and put up and I mean, I'm sure I'm sure that's possible. But no, it doesn't seem like that. It seems like Them or somebody you didn't meet them How do you know? No, but I don't know Tom. I don't know I have my theories, but I don't know that's right. Yeah, you know If it is people I I'm not going to give you guys a tour but they do my point was And I do have one is that Well, okay, you know what here? I'll show you No, I'll see. Well I don't want to So up here, you can't really see it because I turn that man with way down From like you see the same people in multiple photos and stuff because that would be to tell that it's like There's a Dominican Republic map over here And you see a lot of that going like yeah, you see the flags and some of the family photos. It's like, you know, I They would it would be really Extra mild that interior designer could pull it off. I suppose but is that brick an actual brick thing or is that a facade? It is It's like actual That's real Okay There was a period in time when brick facade was as popular as wood veneer Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know why Oh, yeah, my my childhood home had both We had paneling up on the walls and uh, we had a fireplace that was cement, but they had put brick facade On it to make it look like it was brick Yeah, it's just it's a it's a very eclectic mix of things But this is why I love airbnb so much because you never really know what you're gonna get Remember there was a period of time we're having like a sunken like floor In the or like living room or something was kind of cool And you would have a you would have a room and you would have to like take a step down into this like growing up We had we had a sunken living room And well the house I spent most of my childhood growing up in I envied the people with a sunken living room Why it's funny how like it felt modern back doesn't get built anymore That felt like a new fancy thing that rich people had Ooh sunken living room and it's also like I mean it was a style, you know, it's a style and kind of you know, you know a certain period of time, but it's like Why? You know, why was that ever a thing and like why was it cool? Like are you trying to replicate a fire pit in your house? It's just kind of I think it gave you the impression of having more space Right. Oh like you have to walk down to get it Yeah, but like the thing is when you start putting furniture in it You realize how little space you actually have now with even with furniture it gives that impression like oh, I'm walking down There's there's more room than there really is Yeah, you know, I hadn't thought about the sunken living room and the fact that we had one it was also it was um There was very bad carpet in that house like maybe the worst carpet ever Um There like it's like truly the worst It's sort of like orange and brown shag and there was a lot of it And the sunken living room was part of it But so was like the hallway. So it was just like there was this whole like it was like It's like some like crazy sesame street monster, you know Uh, like all over the floor and then also the sunken living room and the cats but you know, they They're When we were moving right before I went to high school My mom was looking she wanted to buy the place that she's still in now and uh, we looked at a house in cooper city that had The conversation pit You ever seen like these like disappeared in the 70s But just like there's the living room and then off the corner of it. There's a Further sunken down area. That's just kind of couches Like it's just a ring Of of couch and the idea was you would just kind of retire to the conversation pit in the 70s With your hookah pipes and yeah and just hang out and i'm over whatever reason i've always Like wished that there's another Wanted to be in the alternate reality where we grew up with a conversation pit That's a great podcast name the conversation the conversation There's got to be another name for it Yeah, I mean is that is is that what you're calling it or is that a real estate? This is a real thing. Okay. All right. I just I've never heard of it before It just sounds like we're all the debased You know, just what happened when uh, when uh, when a conversation turns into an argument gets ugly Falls into a pit falls into that conversation pit. You just can't get out Uh, apparently it was popularized by the dick fan dyke show We used to have um Well, not my my my greater family bigger family had like a Like a house in tahoe that you know that everybody would use and share and go up there and really cool house, but like Dated it was an old old house and in the middle of the living room like the main room like the big room It was the fireplace, but it was literally in the middle of the room. Oh, was it one of those metal ones? Yeah Yeah, oh, you know what used to have those was uh burger not no a and w these Yes, it was exactly like that and I you know, it was always like Well, you know the fire was on a lot because if you're up there in the winter, it's cold But it was always like kind of in the way of everything, you know Like depending on where somebody is you have to like yell at them around the fire and it always even as a kid I was like, it's just there. I don't know why they did this So, uh, that's the kind of thing that looks good in a magazine, right? In life magazine that looked awesome. Yeah Nick with the sea sent a jpeg to the chat room. Yes So imagine imagine that right but not as the center of the living room off to the smaller version off to the side Interesting. It just feels like you're in a boat of land So why can't you have a conversation in like? Like three feet up. What are you a philistine? One doesn't just have a conversation anywhere You must retire to the conversation pit. We are civilized people after all It's very um in a way. It's very uh, uh, like sock, you know, like socrates or play though I could just imagine of we'll continue our discourse A few feet lower No, that's the discourse ditch That's outside totally different thing Oh, man, we uh, my parents carpeted our kitchen Oh Really that's like a mistake. Yeah, I never could figure that one out Never figured that because we had tile through until I was like, I don't know eight or nine years old and they put carpet down in the kitchen I remember we lived in a house with carpet in the bathroom Yeah, it's the last time that was gross One of my jobs after we ate was to take the little roller thing out and roll it over the carpet to pick up all the crumbs I don't even know what that thing is called. It wasn't a vacuum cleaner because it didn't have any power. It just it it's A chore it was called the chore The device was called a chore How does that go? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it's called the Yeah, they're called the carpet uh carpet rollers carpet roller. Yeah, that makes sense I used to see him a lot in the amway catalog that one of my cut my mom's customers used to bring around the restaurant every month Amway's got some new stuff. She's checking out Well, that one's not too bad, um, greg geeky tex geeky tex sent one this one's a little class here I think Oh, oh, this is both conversation pit and central fireplace central fireplace two and one Looks like a hotel lobby though to the side. It really does. Is it is it a hotel lobby? I actually have me wondering now because there's tile around it How i'm gonna have to be like i'm gonna be up on uh, uh, real estate sites trying to find that house Uh, well while you do that any last words to our, uh Our youtube viewers I would like to say to them Be yourselves be kind. I'll tell you what the more I look at these conversation pits. I think that they might have very specific purposes Yeah That might be why uh, why my mom decided to not get that house My my impression from the moment you described it was that conversation was not in fact the main purpose of these pits. Yes Just knowing the time that they were popular The, uh, the hardest hooks at the ceiling probably were the big Roger you're the producer you're supposed to be the responsible one here. I know I didn't even mention the glass table