 Ladies and gentlemen, the moment you've all been waiting for, something a little bit different today, but I think you'll enjoy it. I am reunited, a little reunion with the one and only Jim McD. Those guys don't know, we had a podcast for a very long time together. And then now, I got a new podcast, The Momma's Boys podcast with Omar Isoff, and we got to sit down, chat with Jim McD. So here it is for you guys, if you wanna start over. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, the moment you've all been waiting for, something a little bit different. My podcast, Omar Isoff, Momma's Boys podcast, I got the opportunity to sit down with a longtime friend, the Jim McD. If you don't know, I had a podcast with him back in the day. So it was super cool to sit down with him. I hope you guys enjoy, and if you do enjoy, do me a big favor, head over to iTunes, head over to Spotify, whatever platform you use. Be sure to subscribe, give it a rating or review. We drop new podcasts every Tuesday and Friday. Brand new episodes, we have some really cool guests coming up, Jen Wiederstrom, my friend Hannah Eden, Bryce Kerchak from Calgary Barbell, a bunch of really cool people lined up that are dropping within the next couple of weeks. So head over to iTunes, subscribe. A rating or review really, really helps. I would appreciate it. Enjoy my friends. Bye. Yeah. What size are you using? Nigel, what size? We're running. What size? Yeah, we didn't look, we didn't look. The big size. Six and a half inches. Yeah, how about average? No, it's above average, baby. Oh, maybe in Canada, buddy, we're working out. Canada's doing better than this. What are you guys doing? What are you guys doing? Winner research? Yeah, man. There was like an infographic about Dick's. It's across the world. Across the world. Who did, no, I didn't see this. Fun fact, but Canada's doing better than America. Canada's doing better than America. Who's got the biggest wing in America or in the world? An African country, I think. Come on, dude, come on, Nigel. Come on, dude. It's 2018, that joke's old. All right, you gotta do an incognito search to get the answer to this question. No, not just this. Dick products forever. Anything that works, I'm down. I'm gonna make you do it. Ladies and gentlemen, on that note, welcome to Mama's Boys podcast, the absolutely worst podcast in the entire world. We're here with one of my good friends, one of the kindest souls in the world. Reunite, Reunite didn't feel so good. It feels so good. Mr. Jim McD, we gotta plug away first. Lead the way, buddy. Oh, hi, let me do the endorsement. What's cracking, guys? My name is Omar. I just wanna quickly give a shout out to our sponsor, the sponsor, Kaizen Training. Who are those guys? Who are those handsome devils? I just started it with myself, Silent Mike Barquan. We offer training programs for all your fitness needs, whether your goal is to build muscle, lose fat, or get stronger, check out Kaizen Training. That's K-I-Z-O-Z-E-N training.com. Jim McD and I go years back now, probably seven, six, and training partners, content creation partners, podcast partners, soon to be life partners. It's great to have you on, Jim. Yeah, it's cool you came to call us, buddy. Thanks, it's really awesome to be here. Yeah, I see you're trying to one-up me on the checkered shirt game, and I think you may have won. Checkered shirt game's strong, you know what I'm saying? It's maybe that's you just, you know, I know you got some family now up in Canada. Yeah, what's it called? Family up in Canada, for sure, yeah. First is starting with blue, and then it's gonna go red and black. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna know the words to O-Canada, and I'm just gonna wake up some morning, and I'm gonna be able to sing that fucker and just know where it came from. Yeah, that's how we indoctrinate you. What, this? Canadian tuxedo, am I way off? Well, Canadian tuxedo's actually wearing jeans, denim everything, so jeans, jacket, and then, if you have, I'm not sure about the shirt, I'm gonna go with yes for the shirt. I've been in Canada enough that I've seen that. Oh, it's a real thing. Hey, Jim, let me ask you something, because you do have family in Canada. Do you notice a difference when you go there to Halifax, as opposed to, you know, Sacramento, or, and if so, what are some of the big differences? One huge difference between Sacramento and a lot of the rest of the world is food. Okay. Because we have everything available. Yeah. And when you go to, like a Halifax, you're gonna be able to get some stuff that we can't readily get or cheap, and then there's gonna be plenty of stuff that you can't get. Okay. And then they have like, the first place I ever saw Dunkin' Donuts coffee in a grocery store, like grounds you could buy. Oh, yeah. For interesting. Was the Atlantic Superstore in Halifax. That's amazing. Jim is good at saving all my facts, and he'll know the real ones. Check the shit out of us. Yeah, just how bad I am. But I've read places who knows how serious the places are that I read, which aren't, but Sacramento's like one of the most diverse cities in whatever list. It's supposed to be one of the most diverse cities. Yeah. But it's a little different than LA. We're like, LA, you go to downtown LA, and it's like Chinese food, Indian food, Mediterranean food, whatever. Because Sacramento, we have our pockets, so you could probably put that down. Like hoods. Yeah, hoods. It's gotta be hood. What are you gonna say? I would say hoods, like neighborhoods. Oh, okay. Neighborhoods. It's a little bit all over. For sure. I mean, if you want good Asian food, you go to South Sac. Right. Oh my God, they're putting, as an aside, they're putting the best Mongolian hot pot place. Like it's a chain, but they're putting one in South Sac. Interesting. I don't know if I've ever gone to South Sac. What I wish is, I think it was around when I was a kid, but I never went there, is like we had a little Tokyo basically, right? Broadway? Yeah. But it's not anymore. I wish it was. No, it's not anymore. It's kind of like, yeah. Yeah, some of the buildings are still there, but they're just totally different businesses. Yeah, there's like one, maybe. Business has stayed there. But they're building that area up, but it's just gonna be hipster shit. I would love a little Tokyo. Oh man, in LA have you been to a little Tokyo? Yeah. Very cool. It just has a unique vibe. The stores that you go in there, there's that underground, the plaza. They're a K-town. K-town in LA is cool with good food. I love the idea, like Toronto has that a lot. And you've stopped over in Toronto on your way to Halifax or? Yeah, a bunch of times, but we stayed in Halifax a couple of years ago. Okay. In Toronto, yeah. Toronto, yeah. Have you hung out there a little bit? Yeah, yeah. I love Toronto. Bro, cause I'm there. Probably. You want me to explain what's going on in your subconscious? I'll do it. We went to CN Tower. Yeah, absolutely. I got freaked out cause I don't like heights. Oh really? Yeah, well that glass floor, it's a little weird. So we're going up the elevator, you're fine Jim? Yeah. Because you know, It's looking down, that's my problem. Well the elevator, you know, so for those that don't know the CN Tower, it was previously the longest standing free structure I believe in the world and now it's been surpassed. But the elevator itself, when it goes up, you could just look outside and see completely out and you're going up pretty fast. That, that's cool, that's cool. That to me, looking down through, yeah. So you look down, Jim, and what do you see at the top? You see your feet and then you see that the Ripley's Aquarium below you, whatever happens to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to a baseball game. Yeah, we're talking about doing that. We should do that, we'll do the next time. Oh, it's so good. It's so weird that the hotel is inside the building Oh yeah, very cool. You can watch the game from your hotel room. Yeah, those are a little more expensive. Yeah, I had pretty much to have to be. Yeah, I was from there. Jim's balling, okay, I want to know what the side hustle is, Jim. Well, no, we actually, we were in Airbnb. Can I tell this story? I don't know. Please, you can tell whatever you want, buddy. Maybe we edit this, maybe we don't. Who'd you stab, Jim? No, no, here's what happened. We were staying there with my son and daughter-in-law and then my grandson. And the toilet broke and it stayed broke almost the whole time that we were there. We really had to plan our bathroom trips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the weather was not perfect while we were in there. Yeah. It was windy, it was not conducive. It was rainy some of the time. And you're like, I got to go to Starbucks and use the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why are you in the lobby all day? Come back and just like, what's the code today? It's like 50632, okay. So you can use the bathroom at Starbucks. And then we were looking for a plunger underneath the sink, you know? We found, let's just say that the two gentlemen who lived there used an appliance that I had not seen left out before. Oh, a private time. A private, yeah. Do they use the kitchen spacer, Rogan? Well, why is it underneath the kitchen sink? No, no, no. No, I'm not talking about front door. We're talking about back door. Oh, so like the opposite of Joe Rogan's old sponsor. Like clearing the decks, let's say. Anal suppository? An anal douche thing. Like a, is that like a colonic-type deal? Yeah, yeah. Like a homemade one though? The thing is, I don't think that they were like chronically constipated or anything. Would you call it a butt vacuum? More of a butt fountain. A fountain. Oh, so like a... They needed clean anuses. Like an intrusive butt vacuum. But all the days are kind of for your butt. Yeah. But this one's like going in? Going in, yeah. Like a pipe? Yeah. Mike's all excited. Mike was like just chilling and then Jimmy, you continue to start. I was confused. I was thinking, you know, first of all, my gross head went, you know, like, yeah, what is it, a flesh light and then maybe dildo-ish? No, no, this was just to clean the decks out. Interesting. That doesn't sound so bad. Like, I've heard that's super healthy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that they were doing it. You've never heard that stuff? I don't know that they were doing it for health reasons. Oh, so it was a toy. So it is a toy. So my head was at the right place. I think it was getting ready. I think it was a pre-gaming activity. So it was... Pre-game for sex, Mike. Like, oh, you're not figuring this out. I like how Jim said, yeah, so two dudes are living there and you're thinking to yourself, one of your bases indicated it's a sex toy. And Mike's like, what? So it's a flesh light? Like, they both bang the same flesh light? I'm like, no, dude. I guess I ignored the two dude part and just thought like, what's weird though? Do you have to sink it? So I went dirty and then I went clean, but it's getting clean to get dirty. Yeah. I'm with it. I'm with it. Something like that. They were incredibly nice and they were so nice. The thing was they're incredibly clean. But like, we could not let my grandson, you know, know that that was there and play with it. Of course. Not that it would be badly influenced, but that wasn't up somebody's, yeah, dirt. But yeah, just don't touch it. Touch that, yeah. So two quick asides about Airbnb. The first is that a buddy of ours, Ryan, when he had to stay, I think it was in LA with Matt when he visited you guys for some work, they stayed at a place and the guy was a what, a painter? What was the mic? So he went, shout out to our boy, Ryan. So he went and I think the guy emailed or messaged ahead, say there's like artistic adult stuff on the wall and he was thinking like, whatever, right? Like naked girl, artistically. He went in there in a straight, just like cock. And like pictures everywhere. He sent me pictures and like, don't call me, don't call me. A jim, an insane amount. Don't call me, like the spoons are like balls and like everything's just like. The pillows have dicks on them. Like he sent his photos to our group. Everything, it's not like one picture of like a day computer lady, which would be a very nice warning. Like you have kids, your grandsons or you maybe don't want a ball picture. Right, that could be done artistically. But this is just dicks and balls all over the entire. It was one note all throughout the one theme, dicks and balls. This isn't like Georgia O'Keefe who everything she painted looked like of like the opening of a vagina, but wasn't the opening of a vagina. Yeah, but it wasn't even painting. No, I know actually what you were referring to. There were pictures too, yeah. All of it. So this is like photorealistic. Yeah, half and half. That combination, photorealism. Oh my goodness, okay. Yeah, that's, and this is an Airbnb. It was like downtown LA, like, and I guess they warned them, I don't know. I don't like Airbnb at all. We've had weird experiences. And then the other quickest, I was gonna say about Airbnb. I was staying one time with my brother at this place and a shout out to the host, Dave, who probably had to deal with it after. Well, there's just a few things that we weren't happy with and my brother's a straight thug. And so we went to leave like just some things he did not appreciate and Dave wasn't being helpful. He just took, I forget what he did. He organized it so the toilet bowl, you know, you flip the top so it drains the water. And then he just took a massive shit in the toilet. How old are you? Yeah, I was like 22. Don't lie. Early 20s, it was early 20s. Up for shelf, yeah. Up for deck. Up for deck. Up for decker. Up for decker. I'm gonna switch this. No, is it in the bowl? Yeah, let's make it glass. Yeah, it's called up for decker. So CN Tower is really cool. But have you been to the new world trade? No. That is probably the best like touristy tour thing I've ever done in my life. The new world trade center. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One world trade, I think it's called technically. Right next to Memorial. We have the newest tallest building. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, I've not been in it. I've been around it. I was there with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to the Memorial, but we didn't go in the building. So I went in the building and up. They set the tone so insanely. You're walking through a pretty long line. Luckily for me, there's no line, but you're walking through like cues. Cause you're silent mic. Yeah, I said, yo, it's true. No, we were actually, my newest trick in life. Do you know who I am? My newest trick in life, which is the dumbest trick ever, but I just realized that like, you can buy tickets to anything online. Why are there lines? So like you go to Disneyland and people are literally waiting an hour. I'm like, pink, pink, pink. I've waited in the line halfway. Then I clicked on my head like, ugh. It's the same thing there. There's a half an hour line to go up the tower. And I was like, well, let's buy it online. So there's no line. You're walking through and all the walls are, they're decorated. So sometimes it kind of looks, feels like a foundation, like you're in the basement. And sometimes there's screens and they have the construction workers talking about building the first world trade, like being interviewed. And then they have people talking about this one and what it meant to them and feeling it cause it's right next to the Memorial. Sure. And so then you get in the elevator and all sides of the elevator are screens also. And you start at the ground and there's nothing around you. You see nothing but water on one side. And as the elevator's going up whatever billion floors, you see time lapse, animated time lapse of history of New York being built around you. Oh, wow, that's awesome. It's fucking insane. So you see like, okay, like one little church over here and then it's like, and all these buildings are towering up above you. And then all of a sudden they disappear. The screen disappears. And then you see real New York, what it is now, right? Like a mirror or a, excuse me, window. And it's just like it literally gives you chills here in these construction workers, obviously talk about the emotion of being born and raised in New York, the towers in 2001 and everything going on. It's insane. It's insane. But that's what I recommend all you touristy people. Sian was cool. That'd be really cool. It was cool. That was cool. So my- That's all I got. We were checking it out. Bad Airbnb expenses. My worst one was actually in Halifax. We got there at really late because when you're flying from California to Halifax it takes 13, 14 hours or so. You never get there at a decent time unless you're willing to fly overnight. And I don't like to do that because I can't sleep on planes very well. Yeah, same. Yeah, the time change it just messes everything up. So we get to this house. It was a Victorian and it was listed as entire house. And so we, my son had picked up the key and earlier in the day. And so we went, it's like 1.32 o'clock in the morning by the time we finally get there. And we go into the house and it's kind of like creepy old Victorian for one. And so we're trying to figure out where's like, where are the bedrooms and stuff? So we opened the first, what looks like bedroom downstairs and like all these eyes open up. It was like sex slave trade. It was like a den of possums or something. You know what I mean? It was all people. It was people that's like stacked in there. What are you in a hostel, a hostel? I think that they were foreign students. Oh, to be honest with you, I think they were foreign students. But why would they advertise Jim that it's an entire house? This is a good question. Dude, we've had bad Airbnb, it's like all of ours. I think that, I mean, the only thing I can think is that there was maybe a language barrier. And so like, yeah, it's a house in the sense that it's not an apartment. It's a full house. It's not a duplex, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so there was an issue with that. So then you just found one or two empty rooms. We went upstairs with a room that was supposed to be, the room that was in the ad, we thought was the only bedroom in the whole place. I would have left. There was a refrigerator in the bedroom, which is weird. And yeah, so we called Airbnb right away and said, hey, we're getting the hell out of here because this is not out, it was advertised. But then at that point, they didn't have anything else to offer. So we had to go like find a hotel. We stayed at the Lord Nelson for a couple of nights. Yeah, I think I would have left. We have a bad one in New York, which we've already told on air, so we'll save her, but everybody heard. Yeah, so we had one in Toronto also though, that wasn't as bad, but like Airbnb, one, it's not even cheaper anymore really. No, it's like New York, New York it's cheaper. I feel Jim to 100 bucks a night. Yeah, we got a sweet hotel compared to an Airbnb. So in Toronto though, Walmart books at Dope House, and the overall experience was still an eight out of 10, but there's some weirdness. So it's a Dope House right by the gym, perfect, really cool feel to it, kind of modern lofty feel, but big. There's a bunch of us in there. And I don't even know the progress of things would happen, but basically the same situation where it said whole house, yours, cool, person lives off-site kind of deal. We was a lock, a dode lock that we got in. Everything's cool, everything's cool. And then like, maybe she texts you or something. And halfway we figured out that she's staying kind of in the basement. Yeah, so there's a trap door for the main floor. Oh yeah, there's a door and it says don't open it. That's what it was. Yeah, there's a door that says, so it's a trap door on the main floor. By the kitchen, yeah. Yeah, and it just says like, don't open or whatnot. And so she has a separate entrance somewhere that we don't know about. Garage maybe, underneath, we don't know. It says entire house, we don't know. She's staying in the basement. That's what we were up late the first time. It's just all socializing, all of us like 130. And she said something like, are you guys in bed or just like something that kind of indicated she must have either seen lights or heard us or something. Yeah, same thing like, look, it's not a big deal, but that's just weird. And then you're expensive. And then like, yeah, she'd say, I'm your neighbor. I mean, we've stayed in a couple of places that it was like downstairs or the upstairs or whatever. And it's separate entrance, but it's always said. Most Airbnb's are pretty clear, like I'm in this house, we share the kitchen or something. Or even one in LA, which again was a pretty good experience, but it didn't say it was a duplex. And so the owners attached to you and it's not that big of a deal, but you just, I feel weird. It makes me feel not as comfortable. That's why even like hotels, like- Oh, hotels removed. You just come in, check out, you know. They're here to like serve you. And they're like, they're here to make you feel welcome. Where this other place I'm feeling like, oh, I better not make them mad. That's not comfortable. Yeah. So hotels for me. So yeah, so yeah, I only other really bad one was in Oregon and it was a place that was supposed to have this great view of the like bay and stuff. And it turns out that the house had a great view of the bay, but this extra part in the cottage, the cottage was on the, there was like an open patio, lanai kind of thing between it and the house. And you had to take your shoes off to walk on that. And there was no kitchen, even though it said there was supposed to be a kitchen. It was like a microwave. It was access to the kitchen, their kitchen to walk across only certain times of day. Weird. I hate that. I hate that. Yeah. You're supposed to be comfortable. We should have walked out like. Yeah. That's what we did in the New York one. Obviously. Yeah, we're actually fighting right now to get a refund. I'm still in the process. Check for you. Oh, Maurice. Free Willy. I was going to say a lot of people do weird things slightly different. I'm looking for a house. We talked about a little gym. Yeah. Because gyms basically want to rise in Sacramento, even though he's not, but he is. And so he knows Sacramento well like me and I'm talking about different places. So you'll look online and like a super, like I'm going through a good website and then some of the pictures are like, oh, oh, the view. Oh, then you go and like it's still nice, but you're like, well, that house is blocking the river that I'm supposed to be seeing. Right. And actually, and because I know Sacramento, I already know some things. I'm like, the river is a mile away from this house. Why is there a picture of the river on this little pamphlet? Like, yes, it's close to the river, but so is every major fucking city in America. Like humans built around water. Yeah. There are two rivers in Sacramento. Pretty much everything's close to the river in the city proper. But even outside you go to the burbs, like the furthest you are is 20 minutes from a river. It's probably so, yeah. Yeah, you know, like middle of full summer or something. It still makes no sense. And I'm like, why, like just why? Like it's just a little bit scammy. Yeah. I think it's, you know, they're just trying to market. Yeah. People come from Silicon Valley, try to move to Sacramento. Yeah. That's a brutal commute. I would never do that. Yeah. But the cost of living there is so bad. So bad. Particularly for housing, it's insane. People can't afford to live there and work there. What I didn't know is how the cost of housing in Sacramento is pretty much comparative to all California besides Silicon Valley and San Francisco. But like LA's not that much different. Like obviously Hollywood and this and that. But like LA, LA is the same as Sacramento. Yeah, it is actually. It's more affordable in San Francisco by a good bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then San Diego is like, obviously there's parts of San Diego that are following. Then there's some parts that are sub-Ruby too. Yeah. Then again with LA, you are living in LA. So that's probably why. We both don't like LA at all. Back to Airbnb for a second. We stayed in Airbnb a couple weeks ago in the Hollywood Hills. Oh, yeah. That sounds fun. It was a separate, completely separate building. Like a very windy road. Yeah, yeah. And then so we were, they had a stream. They built a freaking stream on the walk down to this place. It was like the place we rented was the first turn off of the path. And then the house was down at the bottom of the path. So this is real Hollywood Hills. So it was real. Yeah. Yeah, real Hollywood Hills. So it was a big house, big nice house. And then they had this like in-law apartment kind of thing. But it was fully outfitted. Oh, that's real cool. It had like 14 foot ceilings. And then they had done all the acoustic treatments. So it didn't echo. Oh, dope. Yeah. Yeah, that's dope. That's a good area. I had something like that three years ago, when we first, basically right before we started Kaisen Training, you and I, like where we came down on that trip. So this would be what, 2015, but the same idea where a guy had a big house and then out back, as you said, kind of like the in-law house or whatnot. Yeah, and just fully decked out, completely independent. It was amazing. So yeah, you can definitely have good experience. But I think what you start to crush numbers like hotels, if you book in further advanced, can beat it still. They can. And or if you do hotels tonight, if you're familiar with that, sometimes you can get a good deal on that too. And for us, we're going to eat out anyways. Yeah. Like who's, I've never actually had an air baby. Whereas we, I almost never eat out at breakfast. My wife is just like, it's not worth it to feed her in a restaurant because she can't eat enough to make it worthwhile. Too big a portion or whatever. She's a yogurt and granola breakfast person. Fair. So it's just not worth it. But anyway, it was a pretty decent Uber down into Hollywood from there. And which is the way you want to do it because the traffic is awful. And that side of LA is a little different too. That side of LA. I mean, if you can live over there, Bret Wood and Mel Rose. I saw some actor at this newsstand and I never, I can't remember his name or just, I don't know. Just know the face. Yeah. But they're everywhere. Yeah, they really are. Cause there's so many actors you don't even think about. Who's the guy that you just said is narrating the West Side? Oh, Ron Perman. Yeah. And so you guys say that and I'm like, I don't know. And then I saw his face and I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah. I know him. That's so sick. And same thing, when you think like Hollywood, you think, oh, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt. You never think that guy, you can easily see that cool hanging out at a coffee shop. Yeah. And everything they say in LA is like 20 minutes away, but it's not. That's a big difference between like out here, even maybe Toronto's a big city, but sure some places in Canada. And then compared to like California, yeah, you're driving everywhere. Yeah. I'm trying to think where, where have I encountered the most traffic in Canada? Like dead, I mean, dead anywhere near the Bay Area is just actually literally the worst. LA is bad, but near San Francisco. Be grossest thing in the world. Mike's new thing. This one's, this is like. He's bringing, for this podcast, he's bringing the whole new sound effects, bro. He's brought back and I said this before off camera, but I feel it's funny you're here, Jim. Mike's like going retro, Mike. I feel like I'm 22 again. Yeah. With the, with the beanie, with the shirt. You're like, I'm ready to do max effort squats. What's two, bro? A two is a beanie. And I know, but like, what's the. Man, I don't know. I just know it's what we call it. I don't know. I know, I like Australia has a bunch of things. Like a Jersey, I think is a tank top. Like we don't say Jersey unless you're playing a sport. What? What's a vest? What's a vest? Vests is a tank top. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. You'd call it a vest? I don't know. We don't call this like the leather thing that. We don't call it that. Oh. Oh, a vest is a dumb guy thing. Jim, I want to talk about. Australia. I want to talk about your beautiful, massive calves for a second here. Because I told you this. And now the first time. This is the battle. This is like the battle. This is the captain of calves. And this is team no calves. I'm, I'm the, I'm the Sundance kid right here. And you're a, you're Bush Cassidy, buddy. That's the, that's the captain of calves. Is a, or you could be captain fantastic. And I could be the brown or cowboy. I was going to say. Bro, it's an Elton John album. All right, all right, fair. Is a, come on now. Get learned. I was going to say when I first visited super training and I saw you're in shorts, I saw it like on camera, whatever. But I think you probably honestly have, besides like a bodybuilder that, you know, even still, I'll put it up. I'll put it up. I'll put it up again. I think, I think you have the biggest calves I've ever seen in my life. And that's even bigger than Jeremy Hamilton, who has never trained calves either. And he just has diamonds. So I just want to know what's going on there. And why are you not a foot dash, like knee down model? Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that question. That the other question is like totally genetics because one of my kids has exactly my calves. The, he's the more successful one. Doing way better. I did. He has exactly my calves. My younger son has like my leg length, but he's like six one. He's got a 30 inch inseam and he's six one. So he's got short legs, long torso. And I thought he wasn't going to have the calves, but he's been working out a bunch lately. He showed me his calves the other day. He was like, oh no, like, like you don't have calves as big as my calves, but you have calves for somebody who doesn't have calves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The genes run strong and the McDonald family is what you're saying. And then my grandsons both have them. Like both of them, like as babies, you can see them. That's a blessing. So it's not a, it's not even about walking or working out, it's just they're big. They look like, at birth, they look like they have grapes under the skin there behind their, behind their shins. You would love, you would love to say the old adages of hard work, dedication to keep out of kids. Jim, you're just like genetics, bro. It is, it's genetics. It's crazy. I, you know, Ryan Connolly, Lauren Collins. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I recently had somebody who's a cousin of mine contact me on ancestry DNA and say, hey, we're cousins, but I don't know how we're cousins. Do you have a GED match number? And I can run, you know, I can run another analysis. I said, I don't even know what you're talking about. So I looked it up and I got this, this GED match analysis thing. And you get a, you get a number. It's a free website that you can take your raw genetic results from ancestry or 23andMe and load it in. And it'll gives you like a bunch of additional information. It's like a second phase to this for free. Based on a bunch of algorithm stuff. And like the craziest thing is like, I'm like 1% Mesolithic Iranian. Very cool. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Super ancient. Super ancient DNA shit. Submarian style. I love it. Yeah. You're a direct descendant of Gilgamesh is what I'm a. Yeah. Probably so. Yeah. And the first superhero, maybe? Yeah. The first superman, he was the one third God. There you go. Yeah. So I put a picture of this, this totally different breakout breakdown that I've ever seen before. It's like, you know, Eastern European hunter gatherer and Western European hunter gatherer and all this ancient DNA stuff up. And Ryan messaged me is like, dude, have you done a self decode? And I was like, I don't even know what that is. So this website. You don't act so insane. You take those same results and you put them into self decode and it's like 60 bucks. And it gives you all these crazy health factors. Oh yeah. See that's useful. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know if it's 23 me, what's the other one? Ancestry. Ancestry DNA, there's a third or four. Yeah, whatever. My mom did one of them. Some are just wrong. But, and they try to like give you a little health thing. Yeah. Like, but some are wrong or like, you're supposed to be blonde and like, my mom's not blonde. You know, like, like, or whatever. There is some of that stuff. That's just like blatantly wrong. But then there's other, yeah, like Alzheimer's and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. And then so that the self decode one is, it does that stuff. That's cool. And I, yeah. So I'm worried now about Parkinson's. Oh no. I'm worried about Alzheimer's. Yeah. It's a good thing I never started smoking because apparently I'm that guy. Lung stuff? Yeah, apparently I'm like, I would be, well, no, it's actually, it's two factors. I would be likely to become addicted to smoking. Oh, interesting. But I have protective factors for against lung cancer. You see that stuff for a reason. Like, I just, I obviously don't know no shit about science but I just push back with like nature versus nurture on that. Like, I do think you're born with some addiction or non-addiction or whatever, but like, I think so much of it. It's like a plus 10% resistance. It's like, what does that even mean though? Yeah. I'm curious to like go against the theory of like humans having control of what we do, which maybe we are the matrix, maybe Elon is correcting it. Where's Mike going here with that? I was gonna say, yeah, it's a plus 10 extra resistance, but ultimately you're like free will and a lot of other components make up the largest factor. Right, right, right. The craziest one though was. Thanks, Neil. Multi-factors, multi-genetic factors for irritable bowel syndrome, which I totally have. Yeah. It's like, it's completely descriptive in that regard. And there that the GED match site had a thing that was an eye color predictor that apparently works better on 23andMe results than ancestries. So mine was wrong, because my eyes are just blue, but from a genetic standpoint, they're not. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Like I have what you could pass on or what they're supposed to be. Yeah, I have two or three genes for brown eyes. I don't have brown eyes. Yeah, it was something like that because I read my moms and I was like, well, that's just not true. Yeah. And apparently I'm at a greater risk for gray hair, which I don't really have. Did yours tell you about like explosiveness? There was like something on my mom's- No, that's a different one, yeah. Whatever, my mom said something about like explosive athlete and I was like, nope. And I was like, thanks mom, thanks man, 23andMe has that. There's like a dashboard that's supposed to give you like an aggregation of all these particular factors into certain characteristics. And like mine looks like a fucking shit show. It's awful. It's super awful. I'm like, dude, there's no good news here. Yeah, why would I, yeah, why would I do it? It's like, do you, why am I doing this? Yeah, and that's, it's almost like when people ask like, would you want to know like when you die or how you die? Or both of them. You know what, it's like, you know what, I'd rather not know any of it. Whatever, just even things, because I think whatever, yeah, whatever won this one was like tells you a percentage that you might get Alzheimer's. I was like, what if that bitch is like above 80%? I don't want to know. Like, I don't almost rather just start and start freaking one day. I would probably be less painful. Like mentally painful. Yeah. So anyway, I was hoping to get some answer about the calf thing in there, but I didn't see anything. I did however find out that I am, that I'm a low responder to exercise. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, I'm like, well, yeah, stuff like that. Which is interesting. Shout out to our boy, Jacob Ross. Yeah. He told me that Luau, the shout out to Luau Dang as well. I was a big fan of his for one, which is cool because I love basketball, but two, he said that they did some diet stuff related to a blood or a mouth swab thing. Cause Luau, I think was pescatarian. Mostly maybe a little vegetarian. I forgot. Don't quote me on any of this world, or sorry, Jacob, sorry, Luau. But then he, yeah. Then some things like popped up that like, oh no, he should probably eat some more of this or less of that. Maybe it was like, maybe it was the opposite. Maybe he was only eating chicken. And then it said like, oh, more fatty foods. Don't quote me. But something, and then he just did, and he's like, yeah, dude. I saw him about a month afterwards. And Luau was like, yeah, I lost about five pounds and he's already a lean dude. I was like, like a good five. He's like, dude, I feel great. And I'm not one to really believe in that. Like maybe, cause people say like, oh, you're from Italy. You should just eat fish and wine. And you're just from Canada. You should just eat poutine and whatever. Nobody should eat poutine. I love it, but you should. Oh, you do like it? I do like it. I still didn't try it. Cause it's mostly gravy, right? I don't even like gravy. It's gravy, cheese curds, and then fries. I don't even know what cheese curds is, dude. Cheese curd is kind of like the throwaway of the cheese. Like curds and whey? Yeah. Is that on her topic? Kind of, yeah. Mike, I feel like that hat might be too tight on your head. Little Miss Muffin, is that our muffin? You do your curds and whey. You don't have a child there. Not in that sense. No, with Little Miss Muffin? No, I do not know this woman. No, please do not associate me with her. Do you know the Muffin man? A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. A long time. I have a question here because you've been on a podcast for quite some time. What is something, and you also listen to podcasts. And so now this is new for me being on. Approaching a launch. Yeah. Oh, no, it's already a launch, man. You're behind the time. You have two episodes. By the time this is out, yeah, you're gonna have probably, is it one a week, Jim? No, that's not a whole story. I dropped the first two. I'm gonna try to drop the next two at the same time, but it's a 10 episode season. Gotcha. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah. So by the time that I leave here, We're only gonna have seven episodes in the can. We only have three more to do for season one. Yeah, chop them up and let them go. So my question was going to be, I'm just getting started, I'm also just listening to podcasts, getting into it. You from being in the game for quite some time and running something successful, what are the factors you look for in a podcast? Like when you just, like- As a creator or as a listener? As a creator first. You know what I'm looking at, how they're constructed? Yeah. I'm listening for, most of the shows that I listen to are not talk shows. They're informational kind of programs or, yeah, for the most part, the ones I listen to the most that I enjoy the most are more informational. So they're scripted to a certain degree. So like really good writing. And then on top of that, like really, really good production that understands how people listen to podcasts. Yeah. The trick of podcasts is that most people listen to them with earbuds. So you're kind of going right in their head. So if you're well-crafted, you get maybe a stronger response than you would from being exposed to the same information in a different format. Yeah, even reading it, perhaps. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's certainly stronger than just watching it. Jimmy, you got that ASMR voice. I'm just saying, buddy. Yeah. Where it's just like, you'll listen to, I think that is part of the success, honestly, of some podcasts. Oh, yeah, yeah. And what I mean is, it's the timbre, it's the timbre of the inflections and a lot of those factors, you know? I, let's just rip the lid off this for a second here because in starting my show, it's edited and there's a set up intro and then in the course of the conversation, I will, you know, in the course of the interview, I will cut in with like... Like your thoughts? My thoughts on something about this or a deeper piece of information that was missing that would help somebody understand it better or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of work, but that stuff has to be scripted to a certain degree and basically I like, if it's particularly long, I script it, I speak it, I re-script it, and I re-speak it. So, there's a little bit of variation most of the time unless it's information that's supposed to be, you know, if I'm providing numbers or something like that. Yeah, just for the people, I guess, that are going to head that way from this podcast, give us just a general breakdown of the idea that because it is different than the podcast you and I were on, it's a little bit different than the vibe me and Omar had where it is more talk show, we just want to sit down with people, we want to sit down with a talk, yours has much more direction and organization. Yeah, what we lack, which is called direction in life. The skill. The skill would be the second factor. Well, it's called the less than obvious podcast and it's about when people make decisions that really only make sense to them at the time, everyone's around them like going, what, like, why would you do that? That doesn't make any, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, that might be detrimental to you. Why are you doing that thing? Kind of like the road not taken. Like what happens when you take the road not taken that whole thing. And then in the premises built in that sometimes it turns out well and sometimes it turns out poorly. Am I going to find somebody who's going to tell me about something that didn't go well? It's going to be harder. I got you. For sure. I got like five of them. I got five in my head. I got five forks in the road. I fucked up way too many times. And then it's a more directed conversation because I'm asking about, I'm asking about the decision making process that led up to it. And like, were you running purely on emotion or did you actually think through all the factors? And then as you were going along, was there any point that you regretted having made that decision? Whether it turned out well or not. Yeah. You know, sometimes you make a decision and things are rough. Like sometimes you make a decision for things to be rough for a period of time. Yeah, it turns out knowing it. That's a, there's all these gurus in this world right now trying to be business guys and life coaches all these. Shout out to Gary Vaynerchuk. One thing I do love that he says, he always talks about like being willing to or choosing to eat shit for a while. Right. Like even right now, like we could probably afford a better room for the three of us. There's three dudes staying in one hotel room. Like we could probably figure it out. But like we'd rather be a little bit more frugal, save our money to put it back to this podcast or put it back into our next venture or whatever. So we're eating shit in a sense that it's three grown men. Like this is awkward dude, cause I didn't tell you. Oh you were staying next door? No, you put me in charge of the budget. We are staying here for apparently three more days. We've run out of money for food. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, we're not eating. Yeah, we're not eating. Things that are in nature or whatever. Things be looking grim. Yeah, but that's exactly what you're talking about. Like choosing maybe a worser path, praying for the best, or maybe even for happiness. Like a worser might be like taking less money or taking whatever, but then doing it for something bigger. Yeah, toward an ultimate goal. As far as those of you who are listening, I'm just gonna mention the fact that this room has three guys in two beds. So anyway. Yeah, yeah. I used to sleep in the same bed as Nigel, but now I'm sleeping on the floor. I just, I degraded myself. And two out of the three guys snore horribly. Oh, oh, I snore horribly. Oh, not good. Yeah, well, I probably have sleep apnea. Okay, bro, it's a very serious thing. Sorry, sorry. Okay, I'm, yeah, yeah. Sorry, touching subject. Wow, yeah, yeah. You have a big tongue. Wow, wow. Gene Simmons' asked tongue. Was that on the recording when you said that? Yeah, yeah, I said, cause I was like joking around. I said, I don't know what it is. Yeah, I think I have a big tongue. Yeah, cause all you guys are like, normally people that sleep apnea are like way bigger than you. But I said, I think it's cause I got a big tongue. They're like, what? It was with the top that we did a Tom Finn and a Tom Callas. And so they're just going off. So I'm just like. Yeah, we can't, we can't even keep up. I'm sure you couldn't. Yeah, we're pretty good. Pray for me tomorrow. Oh, you're done, you're done for. Yeah, I, yes, I agree too. Yeah, you're done for. Look, I regret this. Jim, I want you to be just perfectly honest with us because you've been listening to our podcast. And I actually have to say, before I go on, I appreciate you in a way that I have never said when I was on, no, because when I was on, when I was on the power cast on the episode that was when I was in person and it was uploaded to your channel. And like, you know, I, I shouted it out on my Facebook, like check it out. And a lot of my fans were like, oh, like this is like good. They enjoyed it. What not? But other people would say like this Omar guy is like taking over the podcast. Like it just was dominating, which is true. You know, I'm very talkative. I don't deny that. But like rather than being like, yeah, he could like be a bit much or whatnot. I forget the way you phrased it, but you said only positive things about me when you definitely could not have, because it like your hardcore base had, you know, one opinion or some of it had one opinion. You could have easily leaned into that. You know what I mean? Like go on that side, but you actually didn't throw me in the dirt, buddy. You did the opposite. So I appreciate that. Well, I just actually thinking back to that situation, it, let's just say that, that it wasn't, that particular interview wasn't being led very strongly. Yeah. We just fucking go nuts. And it absolutely opened up for the opportunity for you to just go. Yeah. So you went and that's, I mean, you're, that's your style. That's you. Thank you, Jim. That's you. I appreciate that. I mean, and I'm completely down for the possibility that particularly a podcast like that, or maybe like this one, whatever, is gonna be a little bit of an experiment. Yeah, yeah. We're open to that too, right? Like obviously talking to our boys, Tom and Tom are absolutely nuts. Then we had the wonderful Ms. Jen Thompson in here. Completely different vibe. Completely different vibe. Even you from January, different vibe, a little more similar than the Tom's, obviously. But no one's like the Tom's. They really are one level kind. But yeah, you don't know what you're opening up. Like we obviously do, cause I know you so well, but when you're inviting these different guests, you might get some opinions, you might not know them well enough in person. Like it is much of an experiment. Oh, when we talked to Jené, we had no idea where that was gonna go. Yeah. Yeah, you knew her. I'd never met her. Yeah. And now that was probably, probably one of the best episodes ever. Yeah, I felt like a professional that day. Yeah, I agree with you. That was the day I stamped like, I am a broadcaster. Cause I did like some research cause a lot of the other guests we knew or you can just quick Google like, oh they squatted this or did this. Easy research like that. I want to do real research on the topic itself to be hopefully understanding to her and the whole community and not be a dickhead that I can be by just talking too soon. Which happens a lot. Yeah, I think that we tried to be, we tried to be sensitive to the situation too, because it's been, she's just been outed and all this stuff. I mean, I like that sucks. Even if you feel like that possibility is out there, which you have to, how do you ignore that? Right. Right. It's still sucked. Yeah. And it was like the topic of the year. It was. Right, cause there's Jenner and there's all these different things going on. Yeah. Right. Quickly and otherwise. Yeah, there's so much going on. So yeah, I'm, I'm just like you just, just in that kind of, my show is very controlled in a lot of ways. Yeah. Although it was my goal to make Michael Fahey cry today and I did manage to do that. So. Game on. I think it, if you're doing experimental things some of the time is good. Yeah. It was, it had that feeling about it. It's like, well, Omar's going nuts. It's like, well, let's see how it goes. Yeah. Let's just see how it goes. I actually thought it was good from my memory. It was what, three years ago or more. Yeah. My memory of it. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how it should work. And like actually one of your episodes that I listened to that, that actually that short one about, about getting kicked out of New York. Oh yeah. The, the vibe on that one was so completely authentic to the situation. Like that was, that was like being in the room. Probably because, because you guys, you guys, you don't, you're not really doing it here, but you guys were completely talking over each other some of the time. But it was a, but that conveyed the chaos of what you were feeling so much stronger than having a completely articulate thing. It's a different experience. It's a little bit of, because it's not calculated. It's just how, it's just how it was. Like if somebody, if you calculated it, it would be performance art. Right. Yeah. Props to Omar for that because I was not freaking out. I don't think I, even though we've talked about a lot on media and past, we've talked it on media and past of, of my anxiety issues. Yeah. I never like have a full freak out mode. Like I'm never in the corner crying, like throwing shit, but I was middle freaking out. Dude, that Omar's like, we got to record this. I was like, dude, I don't want to record this. I want to get out of this air baby. He's like, no, this is great. Sit down. Oh my God. I want to get into it. Cause I was an outsider trying to understand what your anxiety feels like. I'm like, I wanted to be there. That's really cool that it came through that way. Cause it literally, I was trying to get out by one o'clock in moments. It was 11. And I was like, let's just go dude. I don't want to be in here. I was like, let's record one. I was like, oh, great. No, it was brilliant. And then it goes back when I said it, being experimental some of the time is how things grow. You can't do the same thing the same way all the time. Sure. And expect to get anything out of it that's different than what you did before. Yeah, everyone just go back whatever 10 seconds and listen to that again because that's like the most we see everywhere. And we talked about the fitness industry and how real you are and just being yourself on things like, everyone says like, oh, Omar wears a bandana and does informational videos. He's got 800,000 subs. Bandana? Let me read a book. Oh, let me talk some shit. That's literally what people do. Like, no dude, like Omar experimented by doing cartwheels in a fucking soccer field in 2010. Like that's how we got there. It's so different. They say with the podcast, like Jim came to me, the first podcast we're on is like, hey, you want to do a podcast? Like, bro, I have no idea what a podcast is. If you want me there, I'm fucking there. We literally talk about eating shit. We started in a closet smaller than my cot and I'm on a couch lounging on with my shoes off. And then we just started talking shit. I didn't, still don't think I listened to a podcast until probably two years later I mean, I knew who Joe Rogan was, but I never knew what, that he, such a big podcast and stuff like that. Even to this day, I probably listened to a podcast a month. And I think in a way, other artists talk about this all the time, not that I'm some artist, but they talk about like, oh, I don't listen to my genre of music because I don't want to be tainted. And that's how I kind of feel a green 800% with what you do or saying, because if I listen to a bunch of podcasts, maybe I'll pick up somebody's tendencies of an interview or tendencies not, I'd rather just be myself. And if you hate it, get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I know what you're saying. That's why I also reset this one to, it's actually in self-help under health instead of the category that was in before. Because I think that being able to understand how other people make decisions will help you make decisions yourself, or at least have more confidence about the decisions that you make. And there is no but perfect formula. And I haven't done enough of them to be able to see even particularly patterns yet. Yeah, I don't think there are. And maybe there are, maybe there aren't, but I was super inspired by Malcolm Gladwell. What work? Tipping point. Oh yeah, yeah, tipping point, very cool. Huge fan of tipping point. I don't know what that is, but when you described your podcast, I was like, oh, he's talking about a tipping point. And yeah, and I'm a huge fan of his podcast. It's called Revisionist History. Okay. Huge fan of that. So in my mind, Revisionist History, a little bit of how I built this. Yeah, I've listened to a couple of those. Those are really good. And a little bit of another one called The Hilarious Worlds of Depression, which is comedians talking about depression. Interesting. There's a lot of depression in the comedy world. The thing that, the thing is weird about that show, and I can't listen to it all the time, is that it's literally, it's written, it's punched in with narrative the same way that I'm trying to do it. But it's got a very clear three act structure, which I'm not evolved enough to do yet. But act two is always dark as fuck. And then it kind of turns back out. So it goes like intro dark light at the end, like redemption. It's an establishment of what the person does and what their life has been like up to the point that they realize that they're depressed. They have a depressive disorder. And then the middle part is always about how the depressive disorder had affected their lives. The woman who does My Drunk Kitchen did an episode recently. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. Is there any Hannah? I'm also a fan of her. We talked about her, didn't we? Yeah, Hannah Hart. Yeah, my mom's a fan of her. And then the third act is kind of like what they've done to try to improve their situation. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And not everybody improves that much. No, they get things somewhat more under control, but maybe they don't have a particularly well-adjusted life at the end. And some of them are so dark in the second act that the third act, there's not enough light in the third act to pull it out. It's still a really, really well-produced podcast. Because it's real. Yeah, by somebody who is a depressed person and doesn't, I mean, it's incredibly well-produced. I don't know what his background was. He maybe was on one other podcast before this. Yeah. And maybe as a team or who knows what. He does at least have a team. I don't think anybody's doing it as complicated as shows like I'm doing. All by themselves. Yeah, I agree. I don't know if I'm gonna keep doing it all by myself. I need help. Yeah, that's what you're looking at. Our category, whatever, citing culture. I'm looking around like, this one's produced by NPR. This one's produced by like, okay. We're getting the big dollars. What'd you say we don't? Big dollars. But we're ready, we're ready. Yeah, we're coming. Now, Jim, let me ask you this, man. What is, so your new venture is the less than obvious podcast. For you, what are the things are you focusing on now these days? I'm doing some post-production with some other podcasts. Yep. And... Are you throwing an application email out there? And not yet. People to contact you? People can contact me and the stages that I'm at right now, if they wanna work, if they wanna have a really good podcast, they wanna have like an upper level kind of podcast. If you're fucking actually in it. Yeah, if you're in it, if it's not just like, oh, I need to have a podcast because I need to also have a YouTube channel and I need to have Instagram. Because I have 10,000 on Instagram. Yeah, right. You want a podcast. Yeah, then hit me up. Cool. And we can talk about it. And if you're interested, I can tell you that it's not gonna be free. And what, it's not gonna be easy either. And it's not gonna be easy either. It's hard. Like, I really wanna talk to, like it's very common for people to offer launch services and I almost kind of wish that I'd done that with somebody this time myself. Because I'm doing it so much myself. I had a friend who was gonna help me out and like got hung up. And so I'm gonna have his help it's just a little later than my launch. But with launch services, you're basically just like, you're just doing a certain program stuff with them. You help set up their feed with a host and you get them on all the platforms. Equipment list or something. You may help them with some graphic stuff and that kind of thing and initial, like if you do a trailer for your podcast or whatever that kind of stuff. And there's a set amount associated with that. But I would really rather work with somebody who has a great idea for a podcast and help them develop it and figure out how to market it. What does it look like? What does it sound like? That's what I just went through with mine. Like my podcast has music in it. I find the music that works. That's cool. And real production. Yeah, real production. I wanna do like really high quality stuff. And like, I don't know if the market is there. But I feel like we're a place with podcasting where unless you have a gifted personalities, you have to have a really high level production. I've heard, you know, it's a common thing like we talk about people just trying to emulate what they see or copy other things. And there's so many podcasts popping up right now. And I've listened to someone like, what was that? Yeah. Like not, again, like I'm some podcast guy and I'm like, what were you even thinking going in? Right. Was there any process of a thought? Like me and Omar have passed back ideas. Like, hey, I like how this guy kind of does it. I like, oh, with this guest, let's kind of talk, touch on this. Let's go this route. Just some kind of prep. And then Omar's insanely gifted personality like you just said, and I can feed off that. So we're okay there. And we can play around with things. But I agree with you. You have a lot of experience too. That too. I've done it a little while. Yeah. I don't know 100, whatever episodes. Yeah. I know when I'm bad and I know when I'm good, but you're right. You can't just show up and be like, oh, I'm going to talk and people are going to listen. You're going to learn something today. You're going to listen today. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. I think that we're past the point that that's, that that works. It doesn't know it doesn't. We did it in a closet for a little while and we hit the right moment. So we're just talking today, listening. Yeah, the moment was a thing. Yeah. Being there, being at the right place at the right time. 100%, which is everything. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's my YouTube, that's my Instagram. I'm sure you get some of your YouTube credit at the right place, right time. Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, if people wanted to contact me, they can do that, you know. Instagram, email. Instagram, they can email me at jim at thejimmcd.com. The Jim McD. This really is a gentleman. Jim, thanks for hanging out, buddy. We're gonna go grab some food. Jim, thank you so much for being on. Great to see you again, man. Check out his podcast. I highly recommend it. The less than obvious podcast. Give us a human, even though I haven't heard the podcast, because I recommend him as a human, I know the podcast would be good. We would like to you guys to check out momsboyspodcast.com. If you're interested in some merch, we got a Patreon coming, so maybe it's linked, maybe it's not. We don't know where we're staying with that. Check it out in the description. Appreciate all you guys. Make sure to leave us a rating and review on iTunes and we're out. We're out. We're out in a bit, mate. 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