 Oh, yeah, put your pants on. You're going to sick. Hey, I don't have pants on. We're live. No one has pants on. That's the beauty of it. You can't. You can't tell. I hear. I actually don't have pants on. Shorts on. Right. Right. Yeah, I have shorts on. Oh, yeah. You want me to take them off? This is how Roger makes jokes. Some fritches, some draws. Well, I don't have technically pants on. Oh, I have a jacket. Do you just make it? Orphan noises at me, Roger. What was that about? Our our. What are you saying? I will literally murder you through this computer screen. If you do, that should be a Patreon level, Tom. Every leverage. Roger thinks everything is in here. My mom got me a funny. My mom got me a funny coaster and says, never go to bed angry. Stay up and plot your revenge. You know, I was like, that is perfect for me. But Jen said I should stop. So I stopped. You stop what? Plotting. Because I get angry and I let it stew over for a couple of months. Remember when I had that entire plan to to to get back at the the the toll guy at the. Oh, wait, I shouldn't say too much. Yeah, don't say where to get back at the toll. Well, no, it was at the parking garage. And I just had this big thing I'd like. I had to I had I figured out how to hide my tracks. How to block out the cameras. It's like writing the angry email and not sending it, though, as long as you don't act on it. You know, just get out of your system or write the angry email and email it. Or Veronica's doing it. Veronica's spit on that. I try a different spin where you send the email to multiple people who already and then you publish a picture of it on Twitter on on your Tumblr blog of angry emails I sent today. And then Tumblr.com. Well, you can act it out and then you can start a new blog. You know, behind the bars with. Yeah, our YouTube channel where you act out your angry emails. Yeah, I like that. Oh, maybe that could be a business where you basically get a bunch of out of work actors and you like reenact like a revenge fantasy of someone. There has to be. Don't be funny. There's there's a problematic. You can just stop there. There's a lot of them like, I don't know, I'm good. Okay, friends. I want to lay back in my chair more, but the camera angle is bad. I want to like recline, but I don't want you to see my stomach there. All right. Good. Comfortable. Everybody got their face on the game face. This is going to be. OK. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is brought to you by people like me, not outside organizations. To learn more, go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 13th, 2017. From DTS headquarters in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline at the beach. I'm Sarah Lane. And from San Francisco affiliate. I'm Veronica Belmont and risking it all on Monday the 13th. Our producer Roger Chang. It is me. I am 15 years old. I'm 15, 20 minutes away from the beach. I have nothing. I don't know. I don't think that's at all true. 30 minutes. It takes me about 30 minutes. I'm like 15 minutes away from the beach. Is it? I'm still needing to know why this episode is spooky. Monday the 13th. OK. That's fine. 45 minutes. Lucky day. Let's actually talk about some tech things you should know. Qualcomm and Broadcom are off again. Qualcomm has rejected an acquisition offer from Broadcom saying that they, not if they were the last chipmaker on it, no, saying the offer dramatically undervalued Broadcom or Qualcomm. Qualcomm's in the middle of finalizing an acquisition of NXP semiconductors as well. So they're really not looking for a relationship right now. I'm not one to tell them to settle, but they should probably settle. The U.S. State of Missouri's Attorney General announced he would investigate Google for antitrust violations, including allegations and misappropriated content from rivals and demoted competitors' websites. Who is complaining about this, you might ask. Yelp sent complaints to all 50 states in September, accusing Google of copying images without permission. You could say they yelped about it. You can make jokes and everyone will laugh, but I can't make jokes anyway. The Google Pixel 2 XL has some more display issues, according to some Google product forums, this time unresponsive touchscreen edges. This is likely because Google software is trying to reject accidental touches. The company says a fix is coming in a software update. Just the hits keep on coming. Crackly speakers on the iPhone 10 now too. Biggest shopping day in the world happened Saturday in China. Black Friday is nothing compared to Singles Day. Singles Day set brand new records, happens every year on November 11th, 168.3 billion yuan for Alibaba. That's up 39% from last year, and 127.1 billion yuan for JD.com. That's up 50%. We're talking $25 billion each year. Wow. I mean, is the whole point that you get something for yourself? Or others. It used to be about being single and like, hey, let's buy gifts for people who are single because they don't have anyone. It has nothing to do with that anymore. Now it's just get-deal. It's just a shopping holiday. All right, here's some more top stories. Sarah, take it away. All right, Apple Insider reports that KGI analyst Manchi Kuo is telling investors that Apple will come out with three edge-to-edge green iPhones next year. So here are the deets. 5.8-inch OLED phone would be an upgrade to the current iPhone 10. Then there would be a larger 6.5-inch OLED phone, according to Kuo. Less expensive 6.1-inch LCD phone. So all three new models would use Face ID and have no home button. I mean, I don't know. At this point, if anyone using the iPhone 10 is okay with not having the home button, I don't see why Apple would continue it at all. That's one of the reasons I'm holding on to my 7 at this point. I played around with the 10. I just couldn't get into it. Really? Yeah, I'm okay with waiting for a while longer. Maybe I'll come around, but I just don't have a super compelling reason to upgrade right now. So I'm going to save me the thousand bucks or so. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation. And maybe by next year, you'll say, my old phone's getting old, you know, time to upgrade. Would that make any difference if you're like, oh crap, but none of them have home buttons? No, I don't think it would. I think it would really have to be like, my phone would just be so degraded or forcibly degraded by Apple's secret conspiracy to slow down your old phone. So you have to upgrade, which I believe. Which is true, by the way. Which is true. It's very much not true. We've talked about why on the show before. No, it's true conspiracy. It's true, Tom. Everyone knows it. It's true to me. Yeah, I don't know if it would stop me. You know, maybe someday there will be a competitor that I like enough to switch. But I guess I am really truly stuck in the Apple ecosystem for the time being, but doesn't mean I have to upgrade. Yeah, I think it makes sense to me that we'll just have one interface for devices. This gives me the idea that the iPad losing the home button is probably going to happen too, whether it goes LCD or OLED, that this is just the way they want to go. They want to have one interface system for all their new devices. So I like the idea that they've got a... It's an interface like iPad versus iPhone. You know what I mean? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. iPad is, you know, it's a newspaper, right? Like it's a form factor that I feel like needs a home button maybe more than a phone does. But I don't know, I haven't seen it. Or maybe not, yeah. You know, I've actually been really craving a big iPad for a while now because I just... I have felt the need to want to look at magazines and read things on my device and my phone just doesn't feel like it covers it anymore. So maybe that will be the thing that gets me used to it. Who knows? I had an iPad with a broken home button at one point and turned on the accessibility function that lets you do gesture control. I didn't miss it. Be honest. There you go. SoftBank and Dragoneer have confirmed to TechCrunch an agreement to invest in Uber contingent on being able to buy enough shares from employees and shareholders. TechCrunch says the tender offer for shares will launch November 28th and last 20 business days. As part of the agreement, co-founder Travis Kalanick will require board approval to appoint replacements to the three board seats he controls. Well, so three important things that I can take out of this. One is that Travis Kalanick got put in a corner. He could no longer stuff the board with his friends, although he's got a couple of friends that he put on there before. But they've locked him down to a certain extent. Also, employees can cash out now. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how many employees can take around if they can like, hey, let's get rid of some of our options to SoftBank. And of course, SoftBank taking a huge stake in Uber while they also have a huge stake in Ola and SoftBank getting into transportation in a big way. And who's Dragoneer? That would be something for us to have looked up before the show. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I've heard the name before, but I don't remember what they do. It's just so funny. As this whole thing has progressed, it's like SoftBank, SoftBank, Uber, got it. I'm following along. Dragoneer? Never heard of it. I mean, they're an investment group, but other than that, I don't know anything. Quick search, Dragoneer is a long only growth-oriented public and private investor based in San Francisco. Ah, OK. Ah, so they're US. Got it. There you go. All right. Well. But dragons. That's cool. It is. I love the wording. Travis Kalanick will require board approval to appoint replacements for the three board CT controls. Yeah. Well, like, who controls the actual decision there? He added the controllers. He added two board members. And he's like, these are my board seats. You can't do anything about it. So what they're saying is great. You can appoint your board members, but we can overrule you if we don't like them. Well, it might be the beginning of the end of an era. Let's just put it that way. Yeah. AdAge reports Amazon is developing a free ad-supported version of its Prime Video Streaming service. This is sources telling them that. AdAge says Amazon is considering even giving content creators their own channels on the service, kind of similar to what you have now with Showtime or Stars when you can add them. And then Amazon would share ad revenue in exchange for the channels providing a set amount of content per week. So it wouldn't be quite as open to say a YouTube, but it would allow for wider partnerships. And it sounds like the idea would be it's not exactly the same content you get in the premium version of Amazon Prime Video either. Yeah. So yeah, what would be, what kind of, how would the content be different? I wonder. Yeah. So it seems like this is just for people who are like, oh, Amazon Prime, I don't do that. I don't need that. So they're kind of messing out on a lot of original content that Amazon is starting to get accolades for. So we're like just like wider access. Yeah. If I were to design it, I have no idea what Amazon might be planning. I would get some movies and TV shows because there is more and more of a chance to syndicate those into a service like this Roku's doing it, for instance, with their free ad app where you can watch movies for free that are ad supported. That may get some people to try it because they see a movie they want to watch. And then you put like previous seasons of Man in the High Castle and all of the Amazon Prime originals and say, hey, if you want to catch up on the current season, upgrade to Amazon Prime. Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, since we're talking about content, let's talk about ESPN doing something I will never watch. ESPN is recording a shorter version of SportsCenter for users of Snapchat. Each episode will run three to five minutes and be updated twice daily. I would watch that if there was a baseball only version of that. Or would you watch it during baseball season? It makes everything so sensational and stupid. I don't know. What SportsCenter does? No, Snapchat. Everything that people are creating for Snapchat. Content-wise. Ugh, such a turnoff. You mean like in the stories, the partner content? Yeah, it's all, you know, just sort of click Beatty and whatever. But Tom, I know you have some thoughts about this. Here's why I would think... Here's what I was like, if it was like this, I would do that, is I don't have time to sit down and watch a whole half hour of SportsCenter. But like Veronica said, especially during baseball season, I might want to get like a real quick catch-up what happened yesterday. And if it was that, if it was like, here's the scores and highlights in five minutes of everything that happened yesterday, I'd be into that. If it was not sensationalized, if it was just like boom, boom, boom, info, info, info. This is what you need to know. Yeah, because the ESPN like tips, like based on my content filters from IFTTT. So I get like anything that mentions like the Giants ESPN, I get an ESPN story. So if I could like do it like that, where I only get stories about the stuff I want to see stories about, that would be cool. Yeah, Fred in our chat room says, this is Snap Center. It's pretty good. Changing direction a little bit. John Zimmer, president of Ride, Hailing Company, Lyft, told the Toronto Star that Toronto will be the first market outside the U.S. for Lyft starting next month. Lyft has begun signing up drivers there and John Zimmer said he expected Toronto to become one of the top five markets overall. Wait, Lyft isn't available in Vancouver? No, that's just been U.S. only this whole time. You were using Lyft, the elevator, because you were in... Oh, because, yeah. Because you were going to sleep between floors. Yeah, that's why it'll only take you up and down. Of course. I wonder why Toronto, I mean, big city. Big city, big city, yeah. Probably the regulation stuff. I was in Toronto a year ago and Uber's definitely there. Works like a charm. So I wonder if it's more of like a proof of concept where Lyft felt like the demand was outweighing what Uber could provide and that would be a good place to go. Well, yeah, and also maybe the regulations. The fact that Canada and the U.S. are next to each other. I don't know. Well, Lyft has generally been partnering so that if you are using DD Xuxing in China, when you come to the U.S., it'll say, hey, we can plug you into the Lyft network. And that seemed to have been their way of doing expansion. But I guess because it's North America, because it's a similar system in lots of ways, they want to have control over that Canadian market. Be interested to see if they do the same with Mexico. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. You can get it as a podcast. You can get it on the Amazon Echo as a flash briefing. 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They use some special processing on the cheeks and around the face where there are large skin areas. They don't say what that special processing was. 2D pictures of the eyes and mouth, not even 3D there, and a silicon nose model made by an artist that they then sort of adjusted when it didn't work at first. And they have a video showing the phone unlocking for the mask. And they're saying, we've spoofed it. It is not secure for billionaires and government officials. It's probably fine for the majority of people, but don't consider this a legitimately secure solution. This is very similar to what happened with Touch ID. If you remember when Touch ID came out with the 5S, within 48 hours, there was a hacker collective who had shown how to lift a fingerprint. You didn't even have access to the person's finger and create resin copies of it. That would unlock the iPhone. So Touch ID is considered a success despite that. Even if this is for real, I imagine that Face ID would still be useful for most people and you would have to have better access to someone's face to be able to pull this off. When I read this, I'm like, okay, well, if somebody wanted to spoof me and create this 3D mask of my face, well, that's probably a personal issue I have with that person. How often are people going to be going after a certain specific person's identity based on their physical face? That's really the problem. If you're going to be targeted for anything, you're going to be targeted. This goes back to whether it's the fingerprint recognition or facial recognition or two-factor authentication or any kind of security measure. They're all just barriers. Most of the time, if you're being specifically targeted, there is some way that they're going to find to get around that. You can try to mitigate that and protect yourself after the fact, too, in any ways that you can. You have to assume that all of these things are basically just stopgap measures to make it more difficult for someone trying to hack it and to make yourself less vulnerable to those kinds of widespread attacks that tend to happen over the internet from time to time. But if there's someone who's really out to get you, if you are a public person and they can map your face in this way that they're showing that they can now do, or if they can use tape to pick up your fingerprint and make a 3D resin print of that after the fact, well, they're probably going to find other ways to get you. So it's just about taking the precautions, making yourself as difficult to target as possible and assuming that there's always going to be ways around almost any security measure. There are big questions, too, that we have plans to have a press conference later this week, and maybe they'll get answered there. But there are questions about the training method that was used here, that the face ID can adapt as it goes along. People, including Dan Goodin at Ars Technica, have said, well, did you use the first scan and then try to break in? Because that's a less perfect scan. Did you use the mask and then put in the passcode? Because that would start to train face ID to think that the mask was close to the real thing. That could affect that. And I would hope they would say, no, we didn't do that, and they have not yet answered a lot of these questions. And so some people are a little curious. They're saying, look, we don't think B-Cav or Scheisters, but we have a lot of questions that they have not given details for about how this process works before we can legitimately evaluate how much of a threat this is or not. Given what they have told us, if I assume, okay, let's just assume that this mask had nothing to do with the training. The training was after weeks of use, so it should be really accurate. Does that mean that this is less secure? It's more secure than touch ID from what I can tell, because you have to get a good 3D scan of someone's face, which could be done and surreptitiously if you're close to them. They argue that you might be able to do it with some 3D modeling if you have enough photos of the person, but it's way harder than lifting a fingerprint. And certainly, not to get too morbid, but we have talked about how if you have a corpse, you can unlock touch ID as long as that finger is... More if you're asleep. They'll warm it up for asleep. It's the first 48 I hear. And face ID doesn't work in either of those because the eyes are closed. Well, can't you just like... I hope you can pop the eyes open, but Apple says that you have to be alert and looking at the phone and the AI can tell that. This mask, if this turns out to be a legitimate hack, would indicate otherwise. Right, because if you're wearing the mask, I mean, it would be very difficult to fake eyeball interest, right? Yeah, well, it's 2D pictures of the eyes. Yeah, it's not as important as they thought it was. This is why we need to know a lot more details about this because if this really works the way they say it does, the fact that it was able to use 2D pictures of the eyes and the lips goes against the depth sensing that Apple says they're doing. Well, and it also calls into question... I mean, think of what the discrepancy and quality of a picture of someone's eyes would be. So if they're just... If it's going from just regular images of people's eyes, I don't know. It seems like it would work sometimes, but wouldn't really be a widespread problem. Well, and that is what Beacov is saying. They're clearly saying, look, I mean, if you read their blog posts, they're like, this is not secure. Apple's wrong, it's not secure. But what they mean is this is not 99.99999% secure. If you're in a sensitive position, you should not rely on Face ID to secure your phone. And frankly, before they came out with this blog post, I would have said that already because Face ID just hasn't been put through enough paces. If you are an NSA agent or a billionaire business person, then you probably shouldn't rely on new, untested security to secure your private information. So have a nice long passcode on there anyway. I don't think this changes that for me. I also just really hope 3D printing doesn't become like, that's what spammers use to make a cast of your face and then steal your identity. Yeah, it's like these technologies are developing in tandem, like in parallel to just make everything worse. Well, that's what we here at DTNS try to prevent. We're here to help you understand this stuff so you aren't out there being one of those people who's saying, I heard those 3D printers help thieves unlock iPhone X because that is definitely not what's going on here. We don't even know how they use the 3D printed technology or if it could even be traded. Could they take their scan and send it to somebody else who could then replicate it? I don't know. Yeah, who knows? I mean if they start selling them on the 3D like MakerBot markets by a general face that is 50% success rate and unlocking iPhones with Faceite. You started a dark web business called Facebook where you can look up, oh wait, that's already taken. No, it's a net state, Tom. That's with face because a net state. Yeah. Face trade. Face exchange? E-face. And then would my face be a citizen of the, what did you call it? A net city state? The net state? Yes, it would. In fact, that's the number one way that people recognize you because you look at the picture. Well, the upshot here, folks, is that if you are not in a highly secure position you're probably okay using Faceite. In fact, it's probably more safe than Touchite. If you are in a highly sensitive and confidential position, you shouldn't have been using it already, but this certainly isn't going to do anything to change that. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com and at Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. What's in the mailbag there, Sarah Lane? Glad you asked, Tom. This one comes from Christopher. He's an associate on our Patreon. So thank you for being an associate. He says, on Friday's show, Sarah mentioned getting a lot of texting spam. We were discussing the chat bot wasting spammer's time on iPhones. And I was sort of like, eh, is that really the right answer? Blah, blah, blah. You can set up both SMS and phone spam blocking, says Christopher, by using various apps. For example, NomoRobo. There are others that do just calling, for example, TrueColor does that. After being installed, though, if you go in your settings under iPhone in Messages, there are options to turn on filtering, kind of like how ad blockers and Safari work. You enable it for SMS, and then the message app will show two lists. One for normal, one for spam messages. And then Christopher says, pretty sure NomoRobo requires subscription, but there might be others to check out. I had not heard of any of the stuff. So thank you, Christopher. I use Haya and TrueColor, and TrueColor does do text messaging now as well. Oh, awesome. I believe that they just launched it. I'm actually looking at it right now, but that was pretty cool. I didn't know that that was a thing that existed. At least one of them does. I have like two or three of these things on my phone right now. It might be Haya, actually, that does the text messaging. But it's been... Yeah, I don't have the separate list, though. I guess I have to turn that on. I think that would be kind of... Yeah, it seems like it's a pretty simple settings. I get a ton of spam calls. Yeah, I mean, anything... At this point, I just don't answer calls on my phone, but that's not really the answer either. It's not a good answer. It's not a good answer, but the voicemail transcripting stuff has really helped. I missed a very, very important call for like four days until I finally looked at my voicemail and read the transcript, and then I was like, oh, I should have answered that. So be warned. That was just my warning that I put out into the world. I don't have any calls either, because 90% of the calls I receive are spam at this point. I have developed an internal algorithm about whether I should answer or not. For instance, I had dropped off something at the frame shop last week, and I got a call from a Santa Monica number I didn't recognize. The frame shop's not in Santa Monica, mind you. But I was like, you know what? Today's about the day they would call. Their number might accidentally show up Santa Monica because it's close. Got an answer. The frame shop. Like I've had to develop this talent of knowing. And then sometimes I look at it, I'm like, hmm, not expecting a call from the vet or the eye doctor. So no, I'm not going to answer that right now. Yeah. Well, and a lot of this would be solved by us just putting contacts associated with numbers. But that's hard too. I mean, I do that. I do that. I try to, as much as possible. But I still, you know, it's hard to keep up. And a lot of offices, they have multiple numbers because they have a phone bank and they don't all show up to the right. Yes, yes, yes. My dentist office has 40 numbers. They call me from. I'm never going to pay. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Christopher. And I believe he wrote, I hope that helps you a little in French. He did. He did. Tom, do you want to, do you want to give that a whirl or? No. Okay. I know you try to put you on the spot now. No, thank you. 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Amazon subprime. Need a lift A. Peeking behind the mask of Face ID. Spooky Monday, Broadcom, Qualcomm. Let's call the whole thing off. Tom doesn't miss home. But parentheses button. There'll be Dragon Ears. Imagine Dragon Ears. Who are the Dragon Ears? Everyone's like... Imagine Dragons. It's the one guy. You can't go home on iPhone X. Add Amazon Prime. Give Lift. Vancouver to Lift. Face ID book. It's in that state. Singles Day. Give up and settle. I laughed. Did you not hear me laugh? No. Nobody laughed. Dead silence. It's fine. Laugh on what? My joke. They should settle. They should settle. Relationship-wise and also in court. Give up and settle. Now I think it's really funny. I'm sorry I missed it. Right now, Lift gets an A. I like that one. Let's do that one. Lift gets an A. Lift gets an A. I get a go. I'll see you guys later. Bye, Veronica. Bye. See you next time. Bye. And then there were three. Wait, so there's no Veronica on the 27th. And there were three. I mean, there will be a Veronica. She just won't be on our show, right? She's not perishing. Yeah, she's out the 27th. Okay, all right. Oh, goodness. That's what she told me. Secrets. From the 22nd to the 2nd, she's missing two exciting weeks of DTNS. Exciting, I tell you. I got to find... They put on that Monday. That's exciting. Sassy. Good stuff. Who's calling? It's actually not a phone call. It's a guy I know made some atmospheric music for me. Ah. You know, just like, if you're telling a sad story, music that would go under the story kind of stuff. Okay, yeah. He sent me like a drop box folder of all sorts of stuff. Interesting. Bad music. Yeah, you know, that music and podcast doesn't just write itself. That's weird that way. Yeah. Pod safe music. That's how Jonathan Colton got his start. Really? He made a pod safe music... pod safe Christmas song. That was one of the things that got him some early attention. Stuff is so good. I love it. Sorry. Okay, I'll do this. I love music. Ooh. So... Lazy Monday. We're going to talk about CES. I don't know where to talk about that later. We are going to talk about CES. We should probably talk mostly off the air. Until we know what we're doing. Yeah. But we're probably going to have something happen at CES. We don't know what it is because we have to talk about it. Exciting. Yeah. Come aboard. That's kind of... All right. We're expecting you. Chris director, Merritt. I'm a boarder on this AES train. Well, Roger kept saying exciting and that got exciting and new and then... Well, no, I was just saying... when it goes... Exciting and new. Exciting and new. Exciting and new. So wait, are you Captain Steuben or Julie the activities director? Or are you Gopher? Julie's cool. I'd be Julie or Isaac. Isaac the bartender. Julie and Isaac were always my favorites. Gopher and Captain Steuben. Doc was kind of creepy. I liked Isaac because he's always happy. Isaac was just like, man, leave me out of it. I just want to do my bartending job. Listen, I just need to mix drinks and drink it at the same time. I don't want to be part of y'all's drama. And Julie was just trying to make people happy. Yeah. Who was Julie's... Was it her cousin or niece? They brought on a kid character to try to... Yeah, no, I thought it was Captain Steuben's nephew or something. No, no, his niece. Somehow he basically got custody of her because of something with a family member. That's what it was. It was Captain Steuben's kid, or not kid. Nice kid, but a relation. But she helped Julie. Yes, which is really odd because I guess child labor laws, federal labor laws don't take effect as you're out of... As a family business. They're in international waters. What show are we talking about? The Love Boat. Oh yeah, I never watched that. Love Boat? Don't you believe in love? I wasn't allowed to watch dramas about adults. I watched PBS. Saucy sitcoms. I was watching Love Boat and Sarah was watching Are You Being Served? I love that show. Actually Are You Being Served is a lot more... That would have been also outside of my understanding at the time. It kind of still is. Half the time I'm like, Are You Being Served? It's so British. It's great. I get half the jokes. What's interesting is they tried to redo it with the same cast but they ran a B&B and that was just total. It didn't have the same character. The Love Boat Fantasy Island crossover was the fantasy boat. Speaking of it, I finally watched Blade Runner. Oh, you did. What did you think? I liked it. I managed to find it at a matinee locally for $7.50. Nice. I really liked it. I was really impressed at the work they did to really kind of envelop the entire feel of the movie and that kind of dystopian atmosphere. Which is really interesting because it's something that you really never saw too much of outside of the future LA, which I guess even got worse. Well, yeah, because they had the whole Replicant War. Yeah. But like I was saying, it's like, man, the colorists or the colorists who did that movie it's a tough job because you want to make everything look the same color. Yeah, they really did. They matched the tone in a lot of ways. I was totally thrown off because I was expecting a different movie based on the trailers and I'm happy with what I saw. Well, okay. That's high praise, folks, if you don't realize. He doesn't say he likes stuff if he doesn't like it. Yeah. He doesn't have that Midwestern Olive Garden review sensibility. Yeah, I can tell you about the Olive Garden. Well, I don't know if you guys... Do you remember the famous like small... Oh, let me tell you about the Olive Garden. Yeah. It was a small town Minnesota newspaper that did a review of the Olive Garden and it sounded nice but people set it up like you have to remember that in this community you don't say anything mean if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. This is a scathing review and basically there's a review of the Olive Garden had very good decor. The seats were very good. I was just talking about nothing regarding the food and it's like, oh, this person must have absolutely hated it. Oh, a math net on the chat room by a class mentioning Square One TV and they had a... on PBS and there was a little skit or not skit but a little program. Was that on 321 Contact? Yeah, 321 Contact was interesting. That was like 1980. Yeah, it started right at the beginning of 1980 and then at the end near the near the 90s it got renewed for four seasons but as a French co-production so that's why half of the bits that they did in the show were in France. The great thing about people who recognize math net, a lot of the writers for that show were sitcom writers so they wrote a lot of sketch comedy. 321 Contact did the Bloodhound Gang, right? Yes, they did. And that's the basis for the name of the ship. And that's to this day how I know that water boils faster when you put salt in it. And it melts faster too. Because of the Bloodhound Gang. I guess my brother always watched 321 Contact. I sort of absorbed it from the side and that's why I thought math net was part of it because it probably went right into square one and I didn't even notice. There's three generations the original one they had a club house or something that they all ended up in the second one was the basement of Ricardo and then the third one was just like the second cast of that show 321 Contact there's a younger brother Paco was it Ricardo? That was his older brother Bloodhound Gang which was like a little part of 321 Contact Yeah But math that was great because that still holds up you watch it now you can watch it on YouTube like the writing is fantastic I like Jen and I are still constantly amazed 30 years later because they make all sorts of like illusions in your windows and references that are like totally above any kid's head but you know when they wrote it they wrote for the teachers or the parents watching with the kids Bloodhound Gang song I don't remember it being so dated Oh I thought it was the B's knees Oh man I mean me too 321 Contact was you know it was a great show it's one of the most it was like homework but it was fun you know you learn stuff and you're supposed to like remember stuff My memory of 321 Contact is sitting at the dining room table with my mom's typewriter creating the daily newspaper for my fifth grade class that I volunteered to create while my brother sat on the couch watching 321 Contact I remember there was an episode And there was also the electric company Oh I love the electric company It was a little little Hey you guys Have you watched it recently No There's a show with a lot of innuendo in it Why Why is everything so heavy No it's because again it was written by comedians but it was meant for kids but it was also targeted at the parents and they didn't want the parents to be bored I guess but like Lawrence Fishburne, Samuel L. Jackson Oh yeah, Morgan Freeman on the electric company Not so much, Morgan Freeman and a few others What was the other one Remember Newton's Apple that came out of St. Paul Minneapolis It was this guy at sweater vest No I don't remember that We got the letter people in St. Louis Come and meet the letter people Did they teach Kids how to spell All the letters were characters and they met each other in lettering Aw that's cute They all had something that helped them make their sound So Mr. T had tall teeth and he got his sound from the sound that makes tall teeth Did he have a mohawk This is pre-team But it was the same actor No it was not Not at all They were all like puppets Got it I was too old Mr. H had horrible hair But Mr. J didn't have a sound so Mr. H loaned his sound to Mr. J Do you guys remember the Great Space Coaster Oh yeah Great Space Coaster Come on board I used to remember it because it was the last show I could watch before I had to go to school My sister watched that I don't think I ever watched Space Coaster I used to watch Space Coaster My sister watched that I don't think I ever watched Space Coaster Great Space Coaster and Reading Rainbow were kind of the same My brother watched Reading Rainbow a lot I watched Reading Rainbow because it was right at the dovetail of junior high in high school and I watched it a lot at PBS I admit it I missed out on Where in the World was Carmen C and Diego Yeah that was after me I played the game Kids Incorporated was one of my brother's watch See that was after my time Totally after my time When I was a little kid it was Captain Kangaroo Mr. Rogers Romper Room Sesame Street Letter People Electric Company Yep Watch some Romper Room as well I was really little for that But I was watching because I wanted her to say my name Of course Did she ever say your name? She said it a lot I felt like she never said my name but she had to have I mean my name's Sarah I remember one saying to my mom She said no My mom's like no she didn't No one's ever said that No she did Not likely I swear Well it was a show so every market had its own version of reading Romper Room Which is why I don't know if that was true She was an affiliate and she just like There was different hosts in different markets Oh So I only saw the one woman Oh I thought she was all of Romper Room That's what I used to think And then when I would watch TV's Bloopers and practical jokes They would always show one with Romper Room Well Nancy Terrell was The national hostess in the 60's And early 70's when it was seen on ABC Owned stations Then they localized it after that Which is the ones I I watched Whenever there's trouble They're there on the know You know the one thing I never understood about the Bloodhound gang is Isn't that kind of dangerous to have a bunch of kids Help you out with these cases with I guess they localized it in the 60's too But there was a national hostess Miss Nancy Alright, hey everybody Thanks for hanging out and reliving childhood Memories with us We will be back tomorrow with more Teenage memories I guess Right, yeah like I know it's what we'll bring tomorrow Who knows But you love the pre and the pro show And I'm very happy about that Because it's our chance to just kind of talk It's our talk show Yeah, thanks everybody We'll talk to you tomorrow And you I did that in reverse Damn it