 We're living a society which places great responsibility on those who work to relieve a justice Having said so good morning, ladies and gentlemen and fellow media practitioners Welcome to the studios of the national television network Thanks for accepting the invitation to attend this press conference with the director of public prosecutions. Mr. Dazrin Greene Mr. Greene accepted to serve as a country's DPP some three months ago and so he wanted to update you on some of the matters before his office Welcome, Mr. Greene. Thank you very much. At this time, Mr. Greene will begin with some remarks following which he the floor will be open to you For questions and comments. I hand you over to Mr. Greene. Much obliged Pleasant good morning to all who are present And I see some who are late now as we ought to have started at 8 30 And to the citizens of this nation by extension I've convened this short meeting with the media in an effort to update the public On a few issues that have clearly been of immense concern to this nation over the past few years However Before I embark on sharing with you what I can disclose About these matters. I wish to inform you that although matters Are of great concern or public concern It is of paramount importance That I remind some of us who know and also educate and inform others who may not Of the need to treat matters that are being investigated by the police And those that are before the courts of this country Of the level of confidentiality that is necessary as these matters are sub-judice This simply means that these matters are under judicial consideration The sub-judice rule may be breached by public statements that risk prejudging matters Or issues that are before the courts In particular commenting on the strength and weaknesses Of cases before the court and discussing and prejudging the case against a defendant By extension Issues relating directly to any matter, especially Evidence obtained or the versions of events given by the parties ought to be strictly forbidden And that is for the members of the of the media houses In other words, we ought Not to try to decide matters that are before the courts in the court of public opinion I can say without hesitation That this public discussion of matters as I've said before Can significantly prejudice the crown's case and equally that of the defendants I have observed that I've observed of late that this discussion has become quite popular But I must inform that this practice needs to stop immediately As it is an offense under the criminal code I refer you particularly to section 380 Subsections g and h of our code Breeds as follows A person commits the offense of contempt of court if he or she Part g Publishes any matter which is intended or is likely to prejudice the fair trial Or conduct of criminal proceedings h Publishes any matter which which prejudges issues which are to be tried or being tried before the court And this is punishable indictably That's imprisonment I wish to say no more in this matter Reference to only thing I can indicate is please be guided accordingly I've noticed a a trend persons indicating certain things about matters Which have not been completed before the court remember that there's an investigative stage Then the matter if it meets the threshold goes to court And then is determined whether by a judge a magistrate or a judge and jury So we have to be cognizant of that In light of what I've expressed I shall issue statements to you touching and concerning the following matters Having due regard to the fact that all Are subjudice as I said before So I believe I think that we all are with me in that regard It is clear that the The matters of great discussion would have been the police shootings Which has been phrased as the impacts report the caracom implementation agency for crime and security right Matters concerning if the kashams who was charged with 49 counts of obtaining property by deception We referred to this as the lamb birds matter Investigations into the death of the british national oliver benjamin go bat So I will touch on these issues. Then I shall entertain a few questions arising From my submission to you I will commence with impacts if i'm so allowed With reference to the alleged police shootings. I have in excess of 21 of these matters under my review As promised, I have made an extensive review. I can say unequivocally of the majority of these cases And I was able to plot A way forward with the majority of these matters In some instances, I have written to the commissioner of police expressing my opinion I must state that many of these matters Are still incomplete In terms of the criminal investigations And as such, I cannot disclose details of any findings Of what in particular is missing from the these investigations Etc. As this would only prejudice the due process Right that is expected in these matters and I hope that everyone can appreciate that We don't try to prejudge issues. We have to allow matters to complete the investigative stage right so We know that some matters have been sent to the coroner's court In these some of these shootings and certain pronouncements have been made But these pronouncements, I must say to you are no findings of guilt Okay on the part of any persons involved Right the the the result of an inquisition is quite distinct So I um I can assure everyone That these matters are not shelved I basically work on these matters every single day There's a lot to be done. We have even experienced Matters that have arisen since my um my tenure And my commencement in office And I can say one thing that It is not mandatory that an inquisition Be ordered in these matters Where there is any police related shooting and the subsequent expiration of a subject I can Commence a criminal Or criminal proceedings subsequent to a police investigation So I want to clarify that that there is no not an absolute rule that these matters ought to go to inquest right So We will have these matters resolved But I would ask for the patience of the public And I'm not going to be indicating every single stage. These are very sensitive issues The the the liberty of certain subjects are at stake Right and we must also consider, you know, what has happened in these tragic circumstances So we need and I am I am Imploring the public To allow me, you know, some patience. Your patience is solicited in these matters right in terms of the Lambert Academy and mr. Shams. I think We may have heard that this matter one of the matters has been settled All right, this was a matter concerning 49 counts of obtaining property by deception When mr. Shams was charged with all of these counts We are aware that there were a number of students here Who remained in this country for just about two years And we are aware that the state had to Assist them greatly In subs in subsisting and sustaining themselves during the course of their stay Which has been very very very you know Difficult for the government and people of st. Lucia as all of these persons have been charges on us. I believe I'm reliably informed that over 1.3 million dollars Was spent To maintain these persons I made a decision based on What I Recognized in this matter to allow And to the mediation process in criminal proceedings To take effect and take place in these proceedings. This is a very lawful way of dealing with matters bearing in mind the defendant at the time spent Over two years Just about two years on remand Something that should be inconceivable you know In the 21st century I have looked at looked at the matter and we Proceeded to mediation as a result of that There were if I can tell you the charges were obtaining property by deception contrary to section 211 of the criminal code 49 charges 49 virtual complainants and Which comprised of victims and also They comprised of students of the lambards academy Which would have been the students and the dependents sorry so The matter was resolved I believe it was resolved justly and To great benefit to all parties concerned So I can say safely that one aspect Of mr. Sham's charges have been dealt with So we can move on to The remainder of them however Again as I indicated the principle of subjudice You know, we won't speak to any of these other issues right clarified that one the Final matter would have been for the clarification of the what has been going around in terms of My authority being fettered or usurped in some way shape or form by certain missives being sent to the home office of the united kingdom pertaining to the death of oliver benjamin go bat go bat I can say categorically that that is not true That I can say that I did send correspondence To the home office reference to this matter and as is expected All the parties concerned because anytime there's a death of foreign nationals, etc as expected persons will inquire The foreign countries the consulates, etc And I did update the office of the prime minister as to what the position was in this matter and Again as I can say As I indicated from my introduction this matter Being of a sensitive nature of this, you know in this manner I will not discuss issues pertaining to this matter at all This was simply compromise The investigations, etc. And I am not about to delve into this But I can safely say That as a small state we will we have required Great assistance from our friends overseas The more developed states in dealing with investigations And I don't see any sign of this stopping As as everyone can see We are just not capable Of doing all of the investigations and the stages of the investigations The fine tuning of the investigations on our own. There would always be a need for foreign assistance Right Touch that I don't know what the Media would want to ask about any other matters. I'm willing once I can To assist them in that regard Right, so that would be the extent of my Initial contribution To this conference Thank you, sir. We now Open the floor for questions or comments. You want to do this as orderly as possible So I would ask that you raise your hand and indicate Well, your name and the media house that you represent general novel choice tv My question is about a tourist who was killing default on his yacht prac More what is going on in that case? Oh, yes Oh, that is the the prac matter. Definitely. We are we are we are trial before this matter With this matter this matter is going through at the high court presently again. I can't grant you any insight Into the proceedings as again, this would prejudice Greatly prejudice our proceedings, but I can assure you this matter is ripe for trial Like you said, you're not able to um, what exactly is the process in regards to the impact report I know you said you're doing the reviews But from there because from what we understood the Evidence is in Jamaica and whatnot. So how would you be addressing that all speculation? my friend All speculation and we must stop this I cannot alert you to anything that I have endeavor to do in this matter. That's crazy right I will not speak to where evidence is or where it's not But I can say safely that I have reviewed everything reference to this matter And there is definitely a way forward Which we are going to pursue definitely right, so we need to Wait patiently. I know that person have been waiting, but I want to just Comment on that the impact report is not an investigation for the purpose of criminal investigation as I said earlier these matters still have to be to some extent completed in terms of the investigation for criminal proceedings if any So we must understand the distinction not the impacts report and what it said and all of this Right. This is exactly In the face of what we ought not to do to even try to divulge anything of that nature. Let us be fair to all parties concerned right yes Clinton Reynolds Just following up on on this initial question There has been a lot of talk about evidence and where evidence is Right, so I don't I don't think it's that crazy to be asking about evidence also in terms of In terms of the pronouncements made by the former prime minister In what way might those pronouncements Have prejudiced the case In terms of impacts and what you can move forward Right number one. I will reiterate to you my friend That the issue of evidence and where it's located and where it's obtained and what is with it is not Of any concern to the public at this time as this matter is subjudicated Subjudice, please appreciate that and that's what I'm trying to lament Right, that is what we need to achieve in st. Lucia that we give the judicial process time I understand that everybody's concerned matters take so long. I just completed one matter that was 13 years old I feel the pain of my country as well. And so we are trying and with my appointment We are trying our best to move these matters forward I don't believe that any matter should take more than six months From the time of arrest to trial and that is the that is the goal that I wish After my stint and after my time that I'd be achieved But unfortunately these matters in terms of the impacts what as you've phrased it went through one judicial process for the determination in the inquisition stage and then You know, we have still this is not the complete criminal investigation So we have to give this the these matters time Right, and I told you I don't know whether you were there for the commencement And I'm dealing with over 21 police-related shootings And there are some and you know, we focus on this the stint between 2010 and 2011 But I have a few pending in the system since 2006 Which I also have to give priority People have lost their lives In that regard and we must do justice to all of these matters So just think about the amass of Stuff that we have to get done Over to any one of them. I don't have an appreciation yet that you have answered a question As far as the second one was repeated as far as the former prime minister and the pronouncement that he made And that I'm coming to this one I will not attempt To even give an opinion as to whether his actions Were prejudicial to the case. I will not as I will enter into this realm, which I am not going to Okay, I'm not even forced into I won't as I said if he made pronouncements They fell on deaf ears because I didn't hear them as far as I'm concerned All right And I would appreciate That we allow the process to continue so we can have some semblance of completion to these matters Yes, you done In terms of I'd have to take some time on your show if necessary in terms of sub sub judiki and the The the the public's right to know I I think there has been Some sort of difficulty In balancing the two Because From a media standpoint, you cannot presume what will go before the court Oh, I beg you. You cannot you cannot presume You might you might you might have an idea. However, what goes before the court? We cannot determine that or prejudge what will will go before the court Okay, and it is the right of the media to discuss issues in Of public interest How do you how do you balance the two? And knowing that there is a separation between the the work of the judiciary And the work of the media as well fine the work of the work of the legislature And understand the work of the executive and what I would say to use this What I would say to use this Most of the media personnel They are well educated persons And we know that ignorance of the law is no excuse I know for sure as you are my colleague and we went to school together That you are quite aware of what happens and I know that I am available And I've said to some of the media Practitioners etc that you can come and we can sit and discuss What is it? You know that the matters that can be aired, etc Let me give you a simple example As you said, we're not aware There's a road accident It's fatal You know, someone dies You go up to the driver You know of the vehicle and you say to him Can you tell us exactly what happened? What more is there For me to say about this If this person who may become a party to the proceedings And make some admission and we must be cognizant of all of our laws We have an evidence act So if you want copies, you want me to present you with this I think I said I assisted one person You know, reference to some of these matters I can because I want to empower you So that these mistakes are not continued Right? And I disagree with you when you say you don't know If you were empowered the knowledge of what the law expects You will know what is coming next So you would be cautious in the way of delivering And indicating to the public what obtains You simply have an indication of a matter Someone has perished, etc But you don't go up to the person who may be You know, a suspected the matter and say Could you tell us exactly what happened? Now that is why I said That sometimes things seem very crazy to me Okay, sir I will take some time to answer a few more questions The 49 cases of obtaining property by exception That matter is closed, correct? Yes, I withdrew this matter I withdrew the 49 matters against him As we, and I'm saying In terms of what the criminal procedure rules provides, etc As we are innovative in our approach and as the law develops We went into the mediation proceedings And a favorable outcome was found in this case By favorable you mean Dr. Shams would repeat the situation Restitution, restitution And I can say clearly that one million dollars Was restituted to these students And so out of these students Or being, as a matter of fact, we, yes There is still the charge for human trafficking Four counts of human trafficking, correct? Right Are the four students, three students, at bodily Were they paid from that one million dollars from Shams? Now you see again, we may not have been listening to my introduction I asked you first, was the case closed? The case, that part of the obtaining by deception is done The matter of obtaining property by deception is done I cannot speak to that at all, right? Reference to the human trafficking matter This matter is a distinct matter With distinct evidence to be sought, etc And to be delivered to the court And again, I would say to you, it is subjudice But I asked you first, the question I asked first was About the obtaining property by deception Which I said it's closed Okay, the three prisoners on remand For separate matter Were they part of the obtaining property by deception? And were they refunded? Oh no, they were not part of that Were they refunded? No, they were not part of these proceedings And as I say to you again, let me try to Edify you and assist you in that regard The contents of any mediation proceedings Is confidential between the parties there And you should be aware of that And that we should not divulge, right? What transpires in there But we are saying that there was an outcome favorable To everyone in this matter You have tried to now join the two matters Which are quite distinct Okay? Quite distinct Please Anyone else? My final question to you is This is an anomaly To have the director of public prosecutions Entertain us mere mortals Is this a one-time show for the Americans? Or will this be continuous? Can we hold you to it? Once I have the time Because number one, I don't listen to the talk shows I have no time for that Right? I don't listen to a lot what plays off in the media However, I will always be available to assist you all And that is what I want you all to understand This is not a one-off situation Anyone who calls in But I mean we have to be respectful There were a few who called in Right? And I found that it was quite I will just reserve comment in that way In that manner But trust me You'll have my word That every single media house I can update you on things that I can speak of You see And that is the approach that we must adopt I can't hide away from the issues But if I can't speak to them Who can make me speak to them When I would be the one committing the prejudice Right? So I hope that we are On par with this No, not tell us nothing What have you already told us? At the end of the day No, but you want to know Who is culpable Who is the... You can't do that At the time when we have made a decision You will come The court is a public place You know that And you are able to attend, etc And record in a very responsible manner So I don't think that I've said nothing I've said enough Without crossing the boundaries To go into the nitty-gritty To go into the integral parts of investigations Which I ought not to do Okay, I think we have a question from David Yes? Yes, David Vitalis, Radios and Lucia You guided us on your powers As DPP Yes Meaning that I am And one of these powers that you can go It's not mandatory That we go to an inquiry You can institute criminal proceedings I can't institute criminal proceedings Understand The director of public prosecution Can continue Or discontinue any criminal proceedings Right? But there's a memorandum of understanding Between the Commissioner of police The police prosecutors The police officers And the director of public prosecution The proceedings are initiated by the investigative arm Which is the police Then I Can take over the prosecution of these matters Right through But I will make Submit opinions Reference to any investigation Right? And I'm saying like I said before There's no Hard and fast rule That where there is a police shooting Where there is the loss of life That there must be an inquest That you see So That was That was really to ask you Right Whether we are likely Or whether there are grounds Yes For this mandatory criminal Direct criminal prosecution In the impacts Are they ground? You can go into all of this Like I said Are we likely to see you doing that? Or you will likely to see a result One way or the other As I've said Over 21 of them I've plotted the way forward And there will be results Okay? As to There may not be The results that everybody is looking for But they will be From my professional standpoint Because I'm dealing with 21 In excess of that Some of them will be dealt with In another manner Okay? Clearly Now I won't I don't want to delve into The evidential issues And how much evidence is there And what needs to be done So that's where you're sending me And I can't go there Mr. Griddy's allowing me to interject here And Mr. Griddy's running a very tight schedule He has to rush back to court One really So we have one last question from you David And No different We have Stan Yes Yes In terms of the I kind of lost my train of thought Matters The guidelines for matters Subjudicated Yes And the rights of the press Yes Are we restricted or banned Under the law In your interpretation Well From making inquiries about cases They're delayed Oh no In a speculative manner You're making inquiries about cases However Speaking to issues relating to the witnesses Or the evidence of the witnesses Or how the court should determine these matters This is what I'm trying to say You can obviously report on what obtains The matters are long outstanding This person has been imprisoned for all of these years What is happening Push the judiciary Push the judicial process To go through and work You see But the minute you enter into the realm of Speculating as to the strengths Weaknesses of evidence etc In the crown's case or the defense's case I mean I listened to the news on one occasion And I heard somebody indicating his entire case Says exactly what happens I mean The media houses should know Don't air that That is that that And I believe my friend If you may agree with me in that regard That you can't do that That's going too far To allow someone to say And to give an explanation Or a defense Or anything like that Right On television Is reprehensible And that is why I want you And I want the media to say that To say that you are not informed Because I will not And I'm hoping that the authorities By way of the police The commissioner police by extension I will not stand to tolerate this And I want to be able to Make everybody understand What is the limitations So we don't go overboard Did that answer your question Much of that Okay I have one last question from the floor Good morning everybody Stan Bishop of Voice, Ms. Weber Obviously the media and the public Would be put in a spotlight For what seems to be them Not doing the job The way they should Now we must understand that Prime ministers Past and present And DPP DPP is past and present Have alluded to the system being broken And I'm speaking specifically To the justice system But that doesn't take away from the fact That people need to be responsible Your workload is a heavy one And you reference some cases that go back Years that you're trying to catch up with Oh yeah Do you think you still have the Full complement of staffing that you need We've heard about 10 people in the office Being the optimal But given the depth to which we are right now 10 doesn't really sound Plausible Plausible to me So do you think you have the right amount of staffing And do you think you need more And would you consider what you've been doing so far Fair amount of success And finally Oh yes Any progress in the human trafficking Case involving the Russians I have no knowledge of that one Okay What is brought to my attention I would deal with from the police So let me go back to what you said initially From the time I entered office in this regard I noticed what was required I did an examination of the shortcomings of my office And I can say It gives me great pleasure to thank the government of St. Lucia For supporting me greatly in this matter By providing me some of the compliments of equipment Et cetera that I need In addition to that I also want to thank the United States of America They have provided me for full contingent Of all of my IT needs In terms of all of the modern computers Printers Laptops Everything from my office So I feel very confident with this contribution And I'm quite grateful I think that on about the 23rd of February I'll be formally receiving these items You know that have been Greatly, greatly, greatly sought And I really want to thank the U.S. For assisting me in that regard Further to that I've also We are going to have further Crown counsel in the office And I anticipate by the end of February We'll have more staff You know A contingent of staff In the DPP's office I've dealt with matters as old As old as 1982 You know Since I've come in And I cannot understand Why there would be Matters pending Where the defendant may have been Over the age of 100 By the time the matter would have come Before the High Court But I believe in our system And let me just in conclusion I know I have to go back But I want persons to understand Because it's important The High Court now Is inundated of cases Because we have changed our procedures Before 2008 December We were on the preliminary inquiry Where all preliminary inquiries For indictable matters were Being handed a magistrate's court And then committed to the High Court We have changed So in principle we have created a great You know Scheme to get to the High Court Really quick So we have what is called Sufficiency hearings And before three months Of the occurrence of a matter A matter is already before the High Court However This is where the bottleneck You know Result is created Because now we've cleared up A lot of the work in the magistrate's court And now there's an immense need For dispensing with all of these matters Before the High Court As they have gone through sufficiency hearings Very great in principle However We need the support In terms of introducing more judges Having a proper venue for the courts And I will side with you The judiciary And the judicial system of any nation Or to be of paramount importance To the government Of any nation As any investor anyone Will look to your judicial system And see what is going on If it is in shambles I don't think anybody would want to come And I wouldn't say ours is in shambles We work hard with what we have But I anticipate That with the changes that are being made And the necessary You know Implements That we will get Satisfaction in terms of At least housing For judges For criminal trials Exclusively Have another Maybe two masters Before the High Court That is what we need Plus my contingent of prosecutors etc So I see a very good road ahead You know When I walked into my office I noticed that there would have been You know these computers were so old I mean I didn't understand how my staff You know actually functioned in that regard And I really appreciate them for that Hard work in these sort of conditions You know So We've been getting a lot of slack But I believe there is Significant progress ahead Okay I think we have one last question We'll make this one the last one And then we'll come Okay Irene Congratulations again on your new post Thank you I have a follow-up question In relation to a question that's Dana Yes The Russian case The human trafficking case It's an adult and same in venue That they were running I think In the north Russian And the deputy director of bodily Said it was an ongoing case Whoa You know You'd have to get back to me on that Can't answer to something I have no idea about I don't I haven't had any of these matters Or this matter What is the vintage of this matter That you speak of? As far as I'm aware It's an adult entertainment venue A vintage How long ago? Possibly a year It's about two years I would say Okay For three maybe It would cause for me to have to Look into what is going on Before I can make any Any comment on it So I would I would definitely ask What's the Russian It's a Russian case Well I know there's some Russians involved In the case Right I'm not Yes That's all Yes Yeah I think I have to go Security is really true Yeah I have to go But yes Final question Final one Okay I mean I'm going back Going back to the need For information Yes I understand Where you're coming from And the examples that you cite Right But is it a situation Where judicial officers For the most part hide Behind the subjudice Subjudice say In order not to comment On things that are in the public interest There is a certain Measure of information Or level That can be divulged To the public Without compromising Of prejudicing any case That's one The second thing is The fact that you have gone through Or gone forward With prosecute in the case As the DPP Is not an indication already That you have tried the case by yourself If you did not Then you would not be prosecuted in the case Oh my That you have determined Or you have written the determination Let me answer your second question first We are in an adversarial system Of justice Right Which means that everyone is entitled Under the constitutional supremacy Of this country To a fair trial Right Whatever my opinion on anything Is of no consequence As a prosecutor Right I present the evidence For the tribunal of fact to determine Let us understand what it is about Whether it's a high court matter There's a judge in the jury The judge is the arbiter of law So directs the jury On all the issues of law And they must take the direction solely from him Right or her That is the arbiter of law Right, the judge of the law However A jury of your peers That's what our constitution dictates That you will be tried by a jury of your peers To determine your guilt or innocence So I mean at the end of the day That is almost, I don't want to That's bordering on And I don't want to say that But at the end of the day The jury is the one to determine the guilt or innocence My view should never be expressed Right Should never be And what it is The crown says You have sufficient evidence for The defendant to answer the case So you know when the case is placed before the court The judge has to determine whether there is sufficient evidence To go to the jury If he says that the tenuous nature of this evidence You know it is so ridiculously tenuous You know that no reasonable jury property director Could ever convict the defendant on it He'll stop the case right there But because of our system of justice We must embark Basically Right You're a very limited jurist And I'm sure that you'll not bring anything Privilege before the court Never would you do that I don't believe in that And what I have done What I have done And I need to assess matters And I am saying As a judicial officer You have to be fair Okay Remember I was a defense attorney as well Seventeen years I recognized what both sides go through I prosecuted many matters as well You see And when we all sit and think about things Who is the one who is at the worst Or getting the worst end of the stick The subject who is confined to prison Right On remand pending trial And this is one thing that I want in my stint To ensure that we can move forward In having a speedier process I would love to see a homicide or murder Delt with in six months And that's my goal I know some people will say I'm holding Mr. Green to it within three Ninety days of him saying so The point is this We have to set standards We have to change the mindset We have to move forward We have to become compliant With our international partners And what they expect of us We have to look at our laws And see what needs to be changed So we can fit well into this global environment You agree? Very much so And I'm happy that you gave me that response We're in back to 360 parts G and H As reported 380 380 sorry Parts on G and H as reported earlier That would be the determination of the judge as well If media have crossed the line Right Yes, we appreciate the guidance However, I don't want media running scared Thinking that they should not discuss things Because they are subjudicative And you know because a lawyer Because a judicial officer has indicated That these things cannot be discussed You be careful So what we do You have to report on these matters But I gave this simple example And I think everybody can agree with me The extent to which certain persons go to indicate Could you tell me exactly what happened Come on Clinton At the end of the day Anybody you have common sense Would understand that you don't go there You should not Or if you don't You shouldn't be a reporter That's clearly what my opinion is So what I intend to do I don't want anybody running scared And I told Mr. Elliot That I am opening my doors to you all Right So we can sit down and appreciate What is expected of us So that we have no problem You agree to that And I'm saying That if at any occasion I am needed To update on something that I can speak to Remember that I shall always be willing In the circumstances We've run out of time I'm closing remarks for you Yes I would like to thank everyone For taking the opportunity to come here Who and I believe time is of the essence In every situation that we deal with So I thank you for having me I hope that I have indicated As much as I possibly can Reference to these matters That are of great public concern I continue to work assiduously On all of them So that they can be determined Fairly, justly And not in the court of public opinion Right I thank you very much for having me Thank you Mr. Green Much obliged Thank you very much for coming You've been a wonderful audience And I think I could safely say That this is just one of other forums Involving the Office of the DPP And the media Do you have a confirmation from you? Indeed Okay, he has been here You have my assurance In that regard My assurance Okay, thank you very much This is we've come to the end Of the press conference Much obliged