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I do believe that this topic and this subject is important because I strive to be balanced. I strive to be fair, strive to be consistent with the body of Christ and amongst those who name the name of Christ as well too. So this live is no different either. Moderators, thank you. Those who are joining, please hit that like button. Let's get this algorithm acting right. Facebook family, thank you for being a part of this live stream as well. I definitely appreciate that and thank you to those who are first-time viewers and first-time subscribers. Thank you so, so much for that as well too. If you don't know who Alexander Bagani is, he is a preacher from New York, I believe the Bronx and in the video segment, that little clip there of him casting a demon out of a young man, supposedly. Now, I do not believe that Christians can be demon-possessed. I would love to have a conversation with Mr. Bagani on that. I had watched a brief clip of him on Corey Miner's channel if you have not subscribed there. Go do that as well too. Subscribe to our sister Cure for the Soul, Chelsea's Live Line, that Kristen Pham. The Winning Walk with Sister Christina. Those brothers and sisters there, please subscribe to those channels as well too. I would support Body Life. That's what we're supposed to do. But anyway, I happen to see a video segment of Bagani saying that people I guess you can say reformed or you want to use the term Calvinist. I'm going to be using these terms not to try to set trip or glory in any labels, but I do want to just make those statements because those are the names that have been used. So anyway, but Bagani had made a statement saying that and correct me if I'm wrong of those who may have seen it, but he didn't really have two kind of words to say to those who are non-charismatic or cessationist or people who don't believe in all of the 5-fold ministry gifts if you want to use that term. But he said that we don't really treat people like him nice or we don't care about people like him, but he has some concerns and understandably I understand he may have been crossed by certain quote-unquote Calvinists or reformed people but not everybody is like that. Not everybody is like that. We do have our concerns Mr. Bagani. We have our concerns regarding your doctrine. We have our concerns regarding the things that you teach, the things that you believe and the people that you support and the people that you connect with and align yourself with. We have legitimate concerns about that. I think that as Christians, if you profess to be a Christian, then we should be able to have dialogue and discussion. Why do we have to have our echo chambers? Why do we have to always agree with people who only agree with us? I believe that that's how bias and favoritism set in in the church. If iron shoppers iron then we should be able to go up against other people whose views may not be or in alignment with ours. Insofar as long as it's not essential doctrines that we are trying to jettison and we're trying to compromise for the sake of being accepting and liked. And maybe that may be another topic for another time too. But I do believe that when there are issues in the body of Christ regardless of what side of the IO we may be on, whether charismatic, non-charismatic, reform, non-reform, cessationist, non-cessationist, continuationist, Armenian, non-Armenian, Calvinist, whatever time you want to use, when there is error on either side, I believe as Christians what helps our integrity and consistency is when we call balls balls and strike strikes. Regardless of who it is, regardless of what they say, regardless of how this person may be your favorite teacher or this person may be your favorite ministry leader, whatever the case might be. If we're to be people of the truth, we are to be people of the truth. And truth is not predicated upon a person. Truth is predicated upon the Word of God. Jesus says, sanctify them in the truth. Thy Word is truth. Paul says in Romans 3 in verse 4, I believe, let God be true and let every man be a liar. It's the Word of God that is the standard. It is not our feelings. It is not our preferences. It is not how we perceive or what we perceive to be true. No. It is what is true. And if God's Word declares something to be true, it doesn't matter if you like the individual or not. Is that individual telling the truth about what the Word of God says? And how many of you in the chat, Facebook family and YouTube family, how many of you in the chat have had a person that you really didn't like? I mean, come on. Even a person like myself. Even a person like myself. I know, I know. Who would not like a person like me? There are people out there, y'all. There are people out there. Can you believe it? How many of you know people or know someone that you don't like? But what they said, you could not deny. You couldn't deny it. You could not. I mean, I don't like them. I don't like what they said. I don't even like how they... I don't like who they are, but what they say was true. What they say was true. How many of you been in situation or been around people like that? Let me see if there's anybody that's going to tell the truth. Okay, Sean. There you go. My wife, definitely. I know she... Yeah. Christina, you shocked, huh? Somebody would like me? I know, huh? Ain't there something they don't like me? Yeah. I mean, we've all been there. We've all been there. We've all had people or heard someone make statements don't like them, but what they said was true. Exactly. The Broke Clock theory. Redeem, I know you're going to plead a fifth. I know you're going to plead a fifth. But it doesn't take away the fact that what they say is true, right? And doesn't Paul tell us that we're to examine everything carefully and to hold fast to that which is true? And first, that's Salonians 5, 14. I mean, first, that's Salonians 5, 21. We're to examine all things carefully, hold fast to that which is true. So, with that the standard for God's Word is the truth. That is the plumb line by which we make decisions. That is the plumb line by which we say this is true because God's Word says it's true. Matters not who said it. Matters not how we feel. What matters is is, is it true? And that is the basis that I want us to yeah, I've had some disagreements with Seiko, but I still like the brother. I appreciate that. But so, again, as you saw in the video Alex Pagani to be honest with you, I have not really followed this man's ministry quote-unquote. I have no interest in following it. Some of the people that I have mentioned like Alexander Pagani and Isaiah Salvar and these guys I don't know. They're not they're not in my wheelhouse. You feel me? They're not amongst my social media, you know what I'm saying, circa. I would not have known who these people were unless or until I had, you know, followed Cory's channel and watched his video. I wouldn't know who these dudes were. A lot of these people I don't even know who they were. I would not know I would not have known who Young Don Reborn is, you know, the seven month old. That's what I call him. He's the seven month old. My volume should be okay. Is everybody else hearing me all right? My volume should be okay. Okay Shiny Meadows. I think my sound levels are good. My sound level should be good. If everybody else can say that my connections are great. My sound level should be good, right? Okay, good. Good. Just want to make sure everybody else can hear me good. Okay. You said it's a tad bit low. Okay. When do you say I'm good? Everybody else says I'm good. I may need to turn your volume up because I got my my volume is good on my end and this one make sure everybody's cool. All right. Redeem says you don't want to go down there whole say go super demon dude said Jesus appeared to him. Redeem, I'm not just you listen y'all just follow me for a second. Okay. Before y'all, before y'all tune me out because some of y'all will some of y'all will already know you say volume is fine is just your voice. Okay. See this dude here. But yeah, so here's here's what I'm trying to say. Here's what I'm trying to say. Okay. Before y'all tune me out just listen. All right. Just listen. Because I believe that this is where I believe today is going to be a test of one's loyalty. That's what I believe. I believe today is going to be a test of one's loyalty of all of our loyalty. Oh yeah, I believe that. I believe that. By the end of this live, you're going to have to grapple and struggle with your loyalty. Yes. Loyalty. And listen, we're all human. We all have our moments, right? That we have to say, man, you know what? Yeah, I hear him. I feel it. Yeah. I feel what he's saying. I feel what she's saying. But what does the word say though? We're going to have to now lay ourselves bare before the word of God before the Lord and say, okay, Lord. Yeah. Yeah. I've been guilty of this. I've been guilty of this. I've been guilty of being biased. I've been guilty of having my favorites because of who this person is or because of who that person is. I didn't want to agree with them because of who they were or because of who this person was. I chose to agree with them beside what the word said. All of us have been guilty of bias or have struggling with being biased in some shape, form or fashion, in some shape, form or fashion. And again, I believe today is gonna be a moment of truth. I believe today we're gonna have to decide whose side are we gonna be on. We're gonna be on God's side or we're gonna be on man's side. Period. There's no difference from the Old Testament to the New. We're gonna have to make a decision. If Joshua had to say, choose ye this day whom you will serve. And if Paul had to say, test all things and hold fast, that would just true. Then the same principle and the same applies to you and I today in the 21st century. So, I wanna play a clip. I wanna play a clip. I wanna set the stage up a little bit more. Sweet in the pot, if you will. We're still taxing. Haven't taken off yet, but we will. Jesse Lee Peterson interviewed Alex Pagani. Not sure when it was nonetheless, but he interviewed him and there's about an hour and five minute conversation. I did not, I'm not gonna play the whole video here, but tonight I am going to respond or react to the interview tonight. So, you won't get it all here today this afternoon, but tonight you will. So, tune in tonight at seven o'clock live. We'll be covering more of that interview, but I wanna address one area and one topic here on this live and challenge all of us to think this thing through, all right? So, this is gonna be kind of like a little setup to where we gonna get to. So, in this particular video, in this segment, Pagani is invited. He's welcomed on the channel, on Jesse Lee Peterson's channel. And here's what he said, check this out. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me on. Listen, I gotta be honest with you. I'm getting text by everybody saying, oh boy, you know, so there's a lot of fans that follow your show in New York City. So, they're anticipating this interview to be quite interesting. So, thank you for having me on. How do they know about it? This is not, this is pre-recorded. Listen, a lot of people know who you are. I mean, dude, just straight up lied. Pagani just straight up lied, y'all. Jesse said, bro, how does anybody know that we're live? We're pre-recorded, bro. So, how would they know? Now, it's one thing if you're telling people, hey man, I'm gonna be on Jesse's show today and they're just sending you text messages, but can't nobody see you? So, just do straight up lie. Do straight up lie about him being on live with Jesse Peterson, y'all. That really, when I saw that, I was like, okay, bro, really? I mean, now, hopefully, just hopefully, Pagani was able to clear that up later on before his audience and not trying to gaslight, not trying to gaslight Jesse Peterson, but that opening thing I was just asking myself, I said, now, bro, do you even have to lie about that? Let me ask you all this question, too. Do you believe that Alex Pagani is a heretic? Do you believe that Alex Pagani is not a Christian? Do you believe that Alex Pagani should be marked and avoided? Put up a one if you believe that he should be marked and avoided that he's not a Christian and put up two if you disagree. Yes, he's a Christian. Let me rephrase, I'm sorry. Yes, he's a Christian. No, he's not one. Let me put it that way. Yes, he's a Christian. No, he's not a Christian, number two. Because I may have said it the wrong way and y'all are already putting your comments up, but I'll say it again. Do you believe that Alex Pagani is a Christian? Or do you believe he's not one? Okay, Ruby, you said not one, okay? Have no eye, yeah. Judah, I know, most of us don't. Most of us didn't. We can thank Corey Miner for this. We thank Corey Miner for putting us on to these people because most of us did not know. And I told him that before, I said, bro, I don't know who a lot of these people were until you put them up on your channel. Okay, testimonies and testimonies and testimonies, you said not even close, okay? Yeah, I may have confused y'all, my fault. One is yes, two is no. Yes, one is, yes, he's a Christian. Two is no easy Christian. Sherene, you said I used to think he was, but not so sure anymore, okay? Joseph, you said I believe or I think he's deceived. Okay, Graceland, you said he is a Christian, he may be an error, all right? Lewis, you said, don't know about him. Can't wait to find out. Okay, now tonight, I'm definitely going to present more of the receipts on that. And that interview between he and Jesse Lee Peterson. You should wanna tune in and check it out. All right, so anyway, so most of you all will probably say that he's a heretic or whatever like that. Okay, no problem, no problem. Let me ask you this question. Let me all ask you this question. Do you believe, for those who say that he's a heretic, that he's not a Christian, do you believe that heretics can tell the truth? Do you believe that heretics can tell the truth? When I say tell the truth, in other words, that they can make truthful claims regarding scripture, the gospel, being born again, how to be saved, even lead someone to Christ. Do you believe that? Do you believe that? Rodney says yes. Redeem says like a broke clock. Testament says yes. Sirene says yes, they can. Yep, yep, yes, okay. And it does not discount the fact that they may be a heretic. I got it, I understand that. Totally understand it, totally get it. Okay, all right. So, here's a question that was asked of him today. I mean, not today. Here's a question I was asked of him that day when he was on his pre-recorded live. On his pre-recorded live. He was asked the question about salvation. He was asked the question about salvation and what does it mean to have one's heart changed by God? And his answer was rather interesting. Matter of fact, it was very interesting. And when I play the clip, I wanna get your thoughts about that, all right? I wanna hear your thoughts about it. So, let me just go ahead and play it and let me know what you think about what he just said. So, you were saved from the heart. And what does it mean to be saved from the heart, salvation of the heart? What does that mean? What it means to have your unregenerate heart that is born in sin to be completely regenerated, which means a metamorphosis, means completely transformed from darkness, dead, inactive, not alive to be coming alive, washed by the blood and the salvation experience, so. Did y'all hear that? Hippolyta, what did you think? You said he answered that beautifully, okay? How many of you would agree with what Pagani said? Put up a one if you agree with Pagani's understanding and definition of being saved, the new birth, being regenerated, all of that. Put up a one if you agree, put up a two if you do not. Dear, I don't know why that man looked the way he does. Don't, don't. See, dear, you're gonna have to behave. My wife, listen, could y'all pray for my wife? She need to behave, y'all. My wife always tell my wife. Oh my goodness, that would be discussed later on tonight, my brother, Brother Radine, we're gonna discuss that later on this evening. You can count on that. Does everyone agree with what Pagani said? Vena, she's starting it. How you, see, you gotta stop being biased. You gotta stop being biased, Vena, because see, I ain't saying that. I'm just trying to tell her to behave. So everyone agrees with what Pagani said, right? In case you didn't hear it, because you may have fallen out of your chair when he asked the question. Let me play it back so that way you can hear what he said, because I know it was a shock for some of you. Let me play it again for you. So you were saying from the heart, and what does it mean to be saved from the heart, of the heart, salvation of the heart? What does that mean? What it means to have your unregenerate heart that is born in sin to be completely regenerated, which means a metamorphosis, means completely transformed from darkness, dead, inactive, not alive to becoming alive, washed by the blood and, you know, the salvation experience. So... Mm-hmm. What do you think, ladies and gentlemen? I'm just asking you. Do you agree with Mr. Pagani's statement? Do you agree with Mr. Pagani's statement? His answer to Jesse Lee Peterson G.C., you said, okay, so far, okay. So, him being, I'm just putting this out here. I'm just saying this. So, Pagani being considered as a heretic, false teacher, not a Christian, all of that. Demon chaser, demon slayer, whatever. Would you agree that his statement, that his answer, that his definition regarding regeneration is correct? You would agree with that. You would agree. Brocliff, you said, salvation experience. I mean, I don't think there's nothing that wrong that he said about that. Because salvation is an experience for the believer. All right, so, Joseph, you said, you don't have a problem, but not at all, right? Servant, but what's the catch? Hey, listen, listen, just follow me, just follow me. Just follow me. Shana, you agree so far when you said, yes, okay. So, we're all being fair and unbiased with that. So, that is what Pagani said regarding his definition of regeneration, the new birth, being born again, being made alive, okay? That's his definition, and most of us say we agree. All right, now I'm gonna play another person's definition of being regenerated, being born again, being made alive, and how they understand it. And you tell me whether you agree with that statement. So, how do we take this spiritual death to be? I take it as a separation, as the fact that they are now separated spiritually from God. But we all would agree that being dead spiritually means that you are separated from God. A wall of separation was put up because of sin. In the debate that I had, the question was brought up about us being dead. That while we were dead in our trespasses and sins, well, I take it that mean we were unable to do anything, that we were just dead separately. Just like the prodigal son where he says that he was dead, now he is alive. And the only difference is he was separated from his father, now he's alive by being back with the father. But that's what I equate as dead. Why? I do not think that God is standing there asking us to do something knowing for what we can't do it. I don't think he's saying obey me, worship me, serve me, knowing we can't. I don't think God is telling us to do something knowing for what we can't. I believe that he wants us to do it. I believe that we can do it. I just believe that we will not do it. All right. So you heard Mr. Meijer's definition on being spiritually dead and how a person is separated from God and how they are born again. Question, do you agree with brother Corey's definition or do you agree with Pagani's definition? Put up a one if you agree with Pagani, put up a two if you agree with Corey's. Let's go people, don't be so slow now. Proverbs 17, you said, man you're going to have me agree with Pagani against Corey. Don't do that to me. Hey, hey, just putting the information out there. This is not an attack, we having a conversation, we talking, we family, we're family. All right, so far Pagani gets the vote. If we can do what Jesus asks of us, how about Matthew 548 you said? Bro Cliff, you said you agree with Corey, okay? Karen, so far Pagani, Henry said, this has got to be a trick. Rummy said, I hate doing this, but one, okay. Listen, and this is why I did it. This is why I did it. This is why I did it. I said at the beginning, you may not like the person, you probably can't stand the person, but it is what that person said true. As a Christian, it's what that person said true. Judah said one. Wendy, I didn't see how they are mutually exclusive, okay? Tony Evans, you said teachers that too? Services, I still love you, Corey. Wonder says Pagani. Christian Fam, you said, I don't know. Okay, that's safe, that's safe, that's safe. I'm gonna let you slide with that one, Christian Fam. Y'all support my brother's channel though. Ruby Red says Pagani, which is one. GC said, man, you got me signing with the hammer. Yo, come on, y'all, we're just being consistent. We're just being consistent, okay? I know I'm messing y'all up. Y'all probably be like, man, wait till I get off this live. I'm coming to see Seiko. Yup, Pagani gets to vote. I know. Is this a combo of total depravity versus utter depravity? I know this is good, this is the conversation about how, yeah, total depravity, just total depravity. Because utter, utterly depravity, it's not that we don't do anything good, but from a salvific standpoint, there's nothing we can do that is good to be safe. Nothing, absolutely nothing. Since you say you're reformed, I would have to say Pagani, right? Okay, all right. You said one more playback of Corey, no problem. I'll play them both back for everybody. Now I can see you can turn into a, yeah, you see, you see exactly. I smell a corpse in the chat. Come on, come on. Oh, that's coming tonight. That's coming tonight, my brother. That's coming tonight. That's coming tonight, I promise you. I won't leave y'all hanging. AS says, a statement such as that is to defy all sense and not have the basic understanding between imperatives and indicatives in scripture. Of course, God constantly requires of us things that we cannot do. All right. Loretta comes in late. Oh, look at her. Okay, TLC says three. I don't know if there was a three. It's three, I don't know. Probably you and that Christian and fam is on this, playing the safe side. Okay, I got y'all, I got y'all. Ruby says, fix it, Lord. Wait, y'all, I know, it's messing y'all up. I know, I know, I know, I know. Okay, so you said they approached it from a different angle. They did not disagree. Well, okay, I mean, that's, that's okay. Radeem says that clock battery may have been changed. Man, I know, it's messing y'all up. I know it is. Testimony, Testimony says, I'm throwing a challenge flag on this one. I hear you, brother or sister. Service said, I don't think Corey likes Romans now. Okay, so let me, let me just play back the clip. I'll play Pagani's back again and then I'll play Corey's following that, all right? It's to be safe, all right? So here we go. Here's Pagani's and then I'll play Corey's. So you were saved from the heart. And what does it mean to be saved from the heart, of the heart, salvation of the heart? What does that mean? What it means to have your unregenerate heart that is born in sin to be completely regenerated, which means a metamorphosis, means completely transformed from darkness, dead, inactive, not alive to be coming alive, washed by the blood and, you know, the salvation experience, so. So that's Pagani's, all right? Here's Corey's. So how do we take this spiritual death to be? I take it as a separation, as the fact that they are now separated spiritually from God. But we all would agree that being dead spiritually means that you are separated from God. A wall of separation was put up because of sin. In the debate that I had, the question was brought up about us being dead, that while we were dead in our trespasses and sins, well, I take it that that mean we were unable to do anything, that we were just dead separately, just like the prodigal son, where he says that he was dead, now he is alive. And the only difference is he was separated from his father, now he's alive by being back with the father. But that's what I equate as dead. Why? I do not think that God is standing there asking us to do something knowing for what we can't do it. I don't think he's saying, obey me, worship me, serve me, knowing we can't. I don't think God is telling us to do something knowing for what we can't. I believe that he wants us to do it. I believe that we can do it. I just believe that we will not do it. All right. So what I'm gonna do is I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna forget the points that Corey made. I am going to touch on that in this live. So he talked about the prodigal in Luke 15, I will address that. And I'm also going to address another point that he made in Romans when we had our discussion slash debate. ASS, the entire law is a requirement that we cannot do and are punished for not doing. Not because we are able to do so, but because God is going to lower his standard, because God is not, excuse me, going to lower his standard to meet our incapacity. Facts. Hippolyta says, yes, I have to disagree with my brother Corey here. Wonder said, well, there it goes, the argument of the law. God required it knowing full way our man was incapable of keeping it. David says, well, Pagania is right on that comment. Jesus doesn't throw the lifeline to us drowning. He takes us out of the bottom of the ocean of sin, dead and regenerates us. Hold up, let me hold up, bro. Hold up, hold up, hold up, Dave. I gotta give this to you. I know y'all, it's gonna be loud. Here we go. All right. But a David coming in with that heat. Okay. And this is the one time Corey doesn't take the Greek text for what it says. Y'all chill with the savage comments. Geez. Okay. I'm going to address, I'm going to address the Luke 15 and I'm also going to address the other comment that my brother Corey made about being dead. He does not believe that dead means dead. Roman six says that we are being dead to sin. Does that mean? It made a lie, it made a lie to righteousness. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The word dead means, if dead means inability to respond, that's certainly not what the word dead means in Roman six, couldn't be. So now, you heard what our brother Corey said. He said that Roman six cannot mean inability, dead meaning inability in Roman six. I'm going to touch on that momentarily, okay? But first, I want to go to the first passage that he had mentioned. And I'm going to play back the, I'm going to play back the first clip that Corey made regarding his example, because I want to give the context to it. I want to be fair to our brother. I want to give the context to what my brother Corey said about the prodigal son, okay? And then we're going to look at the scriptures and let the word of God be the final authority regarding that, all right? So let's listen to our brother Corey again, give his explanation on spiritual death and what it means in the life of an individual prior to coming to Christ. So how do we take this spiritual death to be? I take it as a separation, as the fact that they are now separated spiritually from God. But we all would agree that being dead spiritually means that you are separated from God. A wall of separation was put up because of sin. In the debate that I had, the question was brought up about us being dead. That while we were dead in our trespasses and sins, well, I take it that dead didn't mean we were unable to do anything, that we were just dead separately. Just like the prodigal son where he says that he was dead, now he is alive. And the only difference is he was separated from his father, now he's alive by being back with the father. But that's what I equate as dead. Why? I do not think that God is standing there asking us to do something knowing for what we can't do it. I don't think he's saying, obey me, worship me, serve me knowing we can't, I don't think God is telling us to do something knowing for what we can't. I believe that he wants us to do it. I believe that we can do it. I just believe that we will not do it. All right, so I wanted to give the full context of that because we're gonna go right into the scriptures and see the context on what Jesus was referring to and what Jesus was talking about regarding the prodigal son, all right? So, Alex already gave the, he already gave the cheat codes, Necros and Thanatos. But let's go to the text. Luke chapter 15, okay? I'm going to read these parables because there's three stories, three parables that the writer Luke records of our Lord given an example on how lost man is, okay? So, bear with me because we're gonna go through these and I want you to see what does the Bible teach regarding the lost sheep, the lost coin and the lost son, okay? Luke chapter 15, verse one, we start there. Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near him to listen to him. That is to Jesus. Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble saying this man received sinners and eats with them. So he told them this parable saying verse four, what man among you if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them does not leave the 99 and the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it. When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders rejoicing and when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors saying to them, rejoice with me. For I have found my sheep, which was, you see that word right there? Lost. Verse seven, I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy or there will be joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous persons who need no repentance. No repentance. Notice he's lost, the sheep was lost, has been found and recovered. They weren't running back to the shepherd. The shepherd had to go and find the lost sheep. And it says there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous persons who need no repentance. Then we see the parable of the lost coin. But what woman if she has 10 silver coins and loses one coin does not lot of lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it. When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors saying, rejoice with me. For I have found the coin which I had lost. Verse 10, in the same way, I tell you there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents. And now we find the story that our brother Corey was mentioning regarding the prodigal son. And he said, a man had two sons. The younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me. So he divided his wealth between them and not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country. And there he squandered his estate with loose living. Now, when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country and he had began to be impoverished. So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country and he sent him into his feet, feels his feet swine. And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating and no one was giving anything to him. But when he came to his senses, he said, how many of my father's hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger. I will get up and go to my father and will say to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son, make me as one of your hired men. So he got up and came to his father, but while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him and ran and embraced him and kissed him. And the son said to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, I am no longer worthy to be called your son, but the father said to his slaves, quickly ring out the best role and put it on him and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet and bring the fatted calf, kill it and let us eat and celebrate. Verse 24, for this son of mine was dead, was dead. Nekros in the Greek, Nekros, this son of mine was dead and has come to life again. He was lost and has been found. The word for dead, we know, is Nekros, right? The word for Nekros, you see it on the right hand portion of the screen, right? A corpse, of course, dead. Look at the letter C in reference to being raised again from the dead, the resurrection. Notice, alive from out of the dead, quicken or to give life to the dead. Figuratively, letter E, those dead to Christ and his gospel meaning spiritually dead, particularly figuratively here, figuratively for lost, perished, given up as dead. Example, you see that right here? Example, the prodigal son, the prodigal son equal to Apollo loss from Apollo my, meaning to perish or to lose. Letter B, metaphorically, in opposition to the life of the gospel. Example, that is a persons dead to Christ and his gospel and thus exposed to punishment spiritually dead. Just showing you how that word is used in his context. Again, particularly, it is used figuratively for lost, perished, given up as dead, the prodigal son. Luke 15, 24, as we just read, for this son of mine was lost, was on his way to be perishing, to perish. He said he was lost and has been found. Are y'all seeing that? Am I making this up? Am I making this up? Am I making it up? Tell me, I'm making it up. I'm just reading to you what the text says. Verse 20, 25, now his oldest son was in the field and when he came and approached the house he heard music and dancing and he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be. Verse 27, and he said to him, your brother has come and your father has killed the fatted calf because he has received him back safe and sound. But he became angry and was not willing to go in and his father came out and began pleading with him. But he answered and said to his father, look for so many years I have been serving you and have never neglected a command of yours. And yet you have never given me a young goat so that I might celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours came who devoured your wealth with prostitutes you killed the fatted calf for him and he said to him, the father said to him, son, you have always been with me and all that is mine is yours. But we had to celebrate and rejoice for this brother of yours. For this brother of yours, could be was dead. Same word, Necrosse. For this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live and was lost and has been found. Do you see that? Just making sure that we get the gist of that, okay? Now, that was one text that our brother had said that it just meant, he just was separated from his father and that was it. But that's not the context of Luke 15. The context of Luke 15 was the lost sheep being found by the shepherd, the lost coin being found by the owner, the lost son being restored back to the father who was a sinner. That's the whole context. The overall context of Luke 15 is showing how God brings back those who are lost, who are on their way to hell, who have been not just spiritually separated from God but were spiritually dead, unable. And even the son had his senses not been given back to him, he would have stayed gone. The only reason why he returned to the father is because God and his mercy and grace changed his heart and changed his mind. Come on, Wendy, come on, come on, come on. The prodigals coming to senses pictures regeneration, awakening us to repentance and imparting ability to return. Prior, he could make choices but as what was enslaved to sinful desires. You get one too, sister, you get one too. That's the context of Luke 15. Of Luke 15, Luke 15, the context is clear. It's more than just a separation. It's talking about death, spiritual death, the inability to do that which was required. And oh, by the way, repentance is definitely a gift. Repentance is a gift by God to the human soul. Apart from repentance, man will never turn from their sin, never, ever. Come on, come on. Oh, y'all, boy, if we, amen, he says, Kev dog, if we can come to Christ, why does he have to leave the 90, boy, y'all gonna wait his air horns out, boy? Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, people and pipettes, do y'all see how amazing God's saving grace is? I mean, and we're the same people who was seeing prone to wander until it affects our theology. I mean, it sounds good unto him until we have to apply it to all our life. We sing amazing grace, but then we don't act like grace was amazing when it comes to the sovereignty of God and salvation. I'm just, I'm confused with that. But as promised, let me go to Romans chapter six. But before I go to Romans chapter six, let me give you the context again to what our brother Corey said. Romans six says that we are being dead to sin. Does that mean- It made a lie, it made a lie to righteousness. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The word dead means, if dead means inability to respond, that's certainly not what the word dead means in Romans six, couldn't be- So Corey said the word dead could not mean inability in Romans six. So let's find out if the word dead means inability in Romans chapter six. Are we okay? Are we all right, y'all? I hope y'all are. I hope ain't nobody mad. This is all love. This is all love. Nobody, I'm not attacking anyone or anybody. We're dealing with the word, we're dealing with the scriptures. Hey sis, good to see you, my sister. Y'all support my sister's channel. I mentioned her name earlier today. Chelsea's live line. She has some good stuff on there, y'all. So let's go to Romans chapter six. Romans chapter six. What shall we say then? Verse one, what shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin? He's talking to believers now. In light of what Christ has done, justified us by faith. We have peace with God, all of that, right? He said, what shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase verse two, may it never be. How shall we who died to sin? Shall we who have died to sin? That word here is apathinesco. We'll look that up in a minute. This word died here is apathinesco. How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Let's go down to verse seven. This word dead, dying, death. We're gonna look at these words. The context of verse five, for if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection. Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him. Here's the purpose clause. In order that our body of sin might be done away with so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. Why? Verse seven. Four. He who has died is freed from sin. Same Greek word, apathinesco. We're gonna have two words that's gonna scribe death, dying or dead. Apathinesco and necrosse. Verse eight. Now if we have died with Christ and the word if is the first class condition in the Greek, which means it's a statement of fact, it's true. So it could render a say. Now since we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. Okay? Knowing that Christ has been, having been raised from the dead is never to die again. Death no longer, listen, death no longer has master over, no longer is master over him. For the death that he died, he died to sin once for all. But the life that he lives, he lives to God. Even so, consider yourselves to be dead to sin. Here it is. Necrosse in the Greek. Necrosse, even so, consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Verse 12 says, therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you may obey his lust. Oh, by the way, as Christians, we don't have reigning sin. We should not let sin reign, okay? Why? Because the power of sin has been broken at the cross when we're saved. However, we have remaining sin. That's the difference. Reigning sin, he says, we're not to let that reign and take over and dominate in our mortal bodies that we should obey as lust, verse 12, right? But that remaining sin is what we fight every day. Romans 7 is what Paul talks about with that remaining sin that he fights with. Are y'all following me? Verse 13 says now, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of righteousness, but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead. Necrosse in the Greek. So let's go back up. Let's go back up. Let's look at these words. Verse two, he says, shall we continue in sin so that grace may bound, may it never be, right? Make a noitok, may it never be. How shall we who? Here it is. How shall we who have epithenets code to sin died, to sin, still live in it? What's that word that we looking for, sir? Here it is right here. Epithenets code, it means, look at the verse, look at the word over here. The second, the right side of the panel over here on my screen. Y'all see it? Notice what he says. It means to die, literally of course, to die off, but used with the simple meaning of to die, right? Look at the highlighted portion. To be dead to sin as the truly regenerate are, by having renounced and abandoned it in consequence of their conformity with Christ in his death. Are y'all following me? Look at the second highlighted portion because I'm not making this stuff up. Here's the verse that it corresponds to right here. To be dead to sin as the truly regenerate are, the truly, that's the qualifier right there, the truly regenerate are. Anybody can say that they're saved. Like the old folks say, show some signs. To be dead to sin as the truly regenerate are by having renounced and abandoned. You ain't just saying it, but you're showing it. By having renounced and abandoned it in the consequence of their conformity with Christ in his death. Romans chapter six, verse two. May it never be. How shall we who have died to sin, who have renounced sin, who have abandoned sin as a result or as the consequence of our conformity with Christ in his death, still living it? Am I making sense? Are we getting it so far? Am I bringing the cookies down from the top shelf so everybody can dip it in their cookie, dip it in their milk? Are we good? If you think I'm lying, say, say, go your lying. Put it up in the comments, that's fine. I'm just trying to be consistent with the text here. It says, when applied to Christ to die for or on account of sin, that is to make an atonement and satisfaction for it, to be dead to the law, that is to have no more dependence upon mere legal righteousness for justification and salvation than a dead man would have as being self-crucified and dead together with Christ. Romans chapter six, verse four. Therefore, we who have been buried with him through baptism into death so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. Can we just let the text say what the text is supposed to say? I'm just saying. And I'm talking to all of us, all of us. When we let the word of God say what the word of God is supposed to say, we're on safe ground when we do that. We don't have to go through any gymnastics, any theological gymnastic and theological tumbling. We're gonna say what the text says. So that's one definition, right? Aponelezco. Yes, it means to die. Yes, it does. And notice what it said, to be dead to sin as the truly regenerate are. But then as we went further down in Romans six, he said in verse seven, for he who has died has been freed from sin. The same Greek word that was used in verse two is used in verse seven and in verse eight. But in verse 11, our brother Corey said that being dead to sin does not mean inability. That's what he said. Well, we need to find out because as Bereans, we're to test the scriptures. We examine the scriptures rather and see whether those things be so. And we're to test all things and hope that that was just true, right? So when we read verse 11 of Romans chapter six, he says, even so, just as what Christ did, even so for you and I, for us, consider yourselves, consider y'all, it's in the plural. Dead to sin, but alive to God. That's what's used there. So let's find out what the definition is. We said it early before. Verse 11 is the word necros, we see here. Verse 13 is the same Greek word, necros. And its definition, we're gonna read it. It means a corpse or dead actually, right? We don't see corpses and dead things move, do we? So if it's true in the natural, why would it not be true in the spiritual? But I digress. In reference, let us see, notice, in reference to being raised again from the dead, the resurrection, Romans 6, 13, alive from out of the dead, figuratively, figuratively. It says, and do not go on presenting the members of your body as members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. Are y'all seeing what I'm seeing? Is that not what the text says or am I making it up? Again, figuratively in the plural, those dead to Christ and his gospel, meaning spiritually dead. And notice, Zodiac is uses Matthew 822. Let the spiritually dead bury their dead, meaning let the lesser duty keep you from the one great duty of following me. Do you see that? This is, I believe, is very important for us to understand. Again, he speaks of the particular definitions of how this word is used. We read it in Luke 15, figuratively, for lost, perished, given up as dead, example, the prodigal son equal to a papa lost from Apollomai, meaning to perish and lose metaphorically in opposition to the life of the gospel, example of persons dead to Christ and his gospel and thus exposed to punishment, especially dead, right? Our brother Corey said he didn't mean that. He said he didn't mean enable, inability. But look what it says right here. Right here, as to the body, you still remain subjected to sinful passions, followed by the dative, and it says to be dead indeed unto sin, no longer willingly subject to it. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Look, right here, of things dead. That is inactive, inoperative. Do we see that? Or am I making this up? I don't believe I am. I believe that I'm presenting my case based on the authority of the word of God as the foundation by which all of us are to derive our doctrine, our understanding of the scriptures. But before I go, I will be wrong if I don't cite this one verse. John chapter six and verse 44. No one can, no one can come to me. Unless, unless, that's the conditional clause, ladies and gentlemen, there has to be an unlesser. There has to be a condition. If no one can, then there has to be a condition. There has to be an exception. And thank God that he is the exception by sending his son through the power of the Holy Spirit to save you and I. He says, no one can come to me. That is a universal negative. Let's put it in our own street terms. None of y'all, now one of y'all can come to me unless the father right here who sent me draws him. And then he says, and I will raise him up on the last day. If Jesus is gonna raise us up on the last day, how are you and I getting up on the first day to come to him? Come on, I'm just asking. I'm just using logic here. If no one can, why are we giving man the power and the glory to can? And some of y'all get offended when I say this and I'ma say it again cause you should be offended cause God has been offended too long by some of us in our pride and our quote unquote ability. You're acting like a glory hoe. You're acting like glory hoes. You're doing anything you can to get that which does not belong to you and that is God's glory. He said, I will not share my glory with no one. And that means exactly what it says. The word can denotes ability. It does not denote will. We know that no one will come to him because they're dead. Jesus told the Pharisees, you will not come to me so that you will have eternal life. You won't come because you can't come because you're dead, you're a corpse. He says right here, verse 44, John chapter six, no one. No one is you, your mama and your cousin too. All of us, no one, nobody, nobody can come to Christ unless the father who sent him, that is, God the father who sent him draw. And that word draw means to drag. I know, let me just pull it up cause some of y'all, some of y'all ain't anybody making me do nothing. Okay, you're dead, bro. You're dead, ma'am, ma'am, sir, you're dead. You're dead. Hell kuo in the Greek. Look what it means, come here, come here. Come over here, y'all, come over here, y'all. Come over to this window right here. Come over into this window right here, right here. Hell kuo, it means to draw without necessarily the notion of force. That's one definition, that's one definition. Yeah, that's one, that's one. To drag, although it may be just implied of persons to drag force before magistrates. That's another one. Oh, I ain't done yet, hold on, I'll sit, I'm gonna sit y'all home in just a minute. Just hold on, just hold on, just hold on. Just hold tight, just give me one, give me one more minute. Oh look, look at the other definition. Hell kuo is used by Jesus of the drawing of souls unto him. Huh, really Jesus? You mean we coming to you without our permission to come? You making us, so you like that Jesus? You're dang on right he is. Your dog on right he is. We're the potter, he's the potter, we're the clay. Notice, word is used right there. No one can come to me unless the father who sent me drags him, draws him. Chapter 12 verse 32, and if I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto myself. One more definition, it is the drawing to a certain point as in John 21, 6 indicating the drawing of the net. Just wanted to show that to y'all. Just wanted to show that to y'all. And so here's my question and I'm done. Here's my question. I'm done, I'm done. I'm keeping this under an hour and 30 minutes. Yes I am, yes I am. Cause I want y'all to come back tonight. I want y'all to come back tonight. I do. Here's my question. I had asked the question in the Facebook chat. Do you struggle with being biased? Do you struggle with favoritism? Do you struggle with saying what's true because to say what's true may not put you in the good graces of those whose cool kids table you've been sitting at in Christendom. We all, we've all been there. We've all been there. And we've all been guilty of it in some shape or form or fashion. Well we know what the word of God says but because of who the individual is because it was John McArthur and God knows don't get me started on that. I've already been dealing with that but let's bring it down to amongst ourselves. Come on I'm just gonna keep it a stack. I don't want you to agree with me because of who I am. I want you to agree with what the word of God says regardless of who I am. If what Corey says is true then you side with that, you run with that. Not because of the person but because of the precepts because of the word of God. That's why. It matters not to me who you follow as long as who you're following is following the savior. And as long as who you're following is following what the word of God teaches but the moment, the nanosecond that I, Corey, your mama, your daddy, whoever your pastor doesn't matter who it is the moment we veer off and pivot in a direction that the word of God does not say you can let me off right here. I'll walk the rest of the way. I'll walk, I'll get out right here. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. Why? Because that's what Paul told us to do. Paul said follow me as I follow Christ. That's the condition. And I'm not talking about one little issue or I'm not talking about that but what I am saying, we better guard our hearts and we better be careful when we are starting to follow people because of likes, because of numbers, because of popularity. And this is why I asked that question. Do you struggle with being biased? Do you struggle with being accepted? Because sometimes being accepted would get you in trouble. And sometimes being accepted will show us how our own idolatry that is rising up in our own hearts will blind us to everything else that God is trying to do. And that's why I titled this live. Who's right? Who's right? When it comes to the salvation of the human soul, Pagani was spot on. Pagani was spot on. Alex Pagani from the Bronx, the demon slaying quote unquote demon slaying demon casting. God talked to him in the jail like Malcolm had Elijah Muhammad talk to him. All that, all that. And this instance in this regard, that dude was spot on regarding how a person is saved and what regeneration being born again means. Can't take nothing from him on that. We can talk about anything else but this right here, Pagani was right. Cory is wrong. Simple as that. And I wouldn't care if I was the one had the definition that Cory had. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Truth is truth, error is error. Cause that's what the Bible says. Let's look at one text. First Corinthians chapter 11, verse 19. For there must also be factions among you. Why? So that those who are approved may become evident among you. There must be heresies and factions and even issues of disagreement so that those who are approved may be evident among you. You're gonna have those moments but you know what another blessing is? Proverbs 27, 17. Iron sharpens iron. Iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. We should all welcome the iron being sharpening amongst ourselves. Always. We shouldn't run from that. We should welcome that. Y'all please get these lights up so my sister don't beat up my brother. You told Hoppo to beat me. So did we see this? Did we see this? But one more. I mentioned it earlier but I wanna have it recorded on the screen. James chapter two and verse one. My brethren, my brothers and sisters in Christ do not hold, do not. He says it right here. Do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. Some of y'all don't like my style because of my style and therefore you don't care to hear anything that I have to say. Some of y'all love Corey style and love what he says. Both of us are in the body of Christ. Both of us love Jesus. We may differ but that is my brother and I love him. But I love him enough to tell him the truth and the Lord knows he loves me enough to tell me the truth about myself. But the body of Christ, we need each other to correct each other, to cover each other, to come alongside each other because we all we got. I ain't trying to be in New Jack City but we all we got y'all. I don't expect the world to protect me. I don't expect the world to be able to minister to me but I expect my brothers and sisters to. Psalm 141.5, this came to mind right here. Let the righteous smite me in kindness and reprove me. It is oil upon my head. Do not let me refuse, do not let my head refuse it. Let the righteous smite me in kindness and reprove me. Notice the righteous, it means believe us, Christians, us, the family. Family should be able to check family when family is out of pocket. When family is wrong about something, especially when it's publicly, we family. And that one person in this live can say that I've attacked my brother. I love my brother, but my brother's wrong. And if we can call out Pagani and if we can call out other quote unquote heretics and false teachers and all that kind of stuff, right? Then we should be able to lovingly call out each other when we say things that are out of pocket that are not biblically right, that are wrong, that especially when it's something that is an issue of salvation, God is to get the glory for our salvation. I don't care who says otherwise. Yeah, I'm about to end, bro. Thank you for keeping me on that clock, bro. I'm about to start to join down. Love you, my dude. I just wanna make sure y'all hear my heart. I just wanna make sure you hear my heart. I love my brother, I love my sisters. This is not in retaliation of anything. And I expect for my brother if he wants to do a response or whatever like that, that's fine. But I just found that video interview with Pagani and with Jesse Lee Peterson, who I will be addressing tonight. Don't miss this one coming up. But I found it to be rather interesting that Pagani, who may be considered a heretic and a false teacher and all that, he understood what regeneration means. But my brother, who I expect to know, should've known. And to much is given as much as required. And that is my point. One last text and I'll shut it down. Better is open rebuke, better is open rebuke, than love that is concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy. As said this quote, the danger in all of this is that Pelagianism or semi-Pelagianism border on true heresy. It is not some secondary or unimportant issue. I agree, 100%. And I know my brother don't like labels and all of that, but let me just say this because some of y'all don't care for labels. But let me just say this, I want y'all to see my eyeballs and I'm done. We may not care for labels, but we use labels all the time. I believe that God, that God, I believe in one God who reveals himself in three co-equal, co-eternal, co-distinct persons. That will make me a Trinitarian. I'm not back and away from that. I stand on that. I believe that I'm a complimentarian. I'm not an egalitarian. I am not. Labels have its place, but when we glory in those things is where it becomes a sin. My brother, whom I love, I believe is dabbling in semi-Pelagianism. That's why I gave y'all the definition of it last week when I did the, what was it called? The recap, the recap, the recap. So yeah, but nothing that I'm saying here is from ill will, ill motive, nothing like that. We should be able to have these conversations publicly, especially when these conversations or when these videos that we make are done publicly because people need to be able to hear it and be able to now to discern, okay, who's telling the truth based on what the text says. But not on the person, not on the person, but on the Word of God, which is the final authority. All right, so I'm done. I am done. On the two minutes left. Again, please like the video. Please share the video. Please subscribe to the channel. Love life and marriage with the woods as well. Thank you all joining me on this live. I really do appreciate it. Again, if you'd like to support this ministry of finance, you can do so by clicking the donation information below at the bottom of this video. This is how we are sustained and supported through your gifts and your tangible tokens of love. We do appreciate that. But that is my time. I thank you all so much for yours. 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